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00:00Manhood, brought to you in part by Reboot Sports Drink.
00:09Thank you for joining us once again here on Manhood, a conversation that we enjoy having with you
00:16and hope you enjoy hearing and partaking with us.
00:20The topic today is cancel culture.
00:25I'm sure some eyes opened there and some heads nodded and people are like,
00:30hmm, very interesting. Yes, cancel culture.
00:32So to my right, Johan, say IODK, behavior change consultant.
00:36If I still find that, you know, sometimes it doesn't roll off the tongue as easy sometimes.
00:40Because it's your tongue.
00:42Yeah, and that's it. You know, maybe, you see, you know, that's probably part of the cancel culture,
00:47you know, this way of behaving.
00:49So we'll get into more of that and he'll get some cancel culture
00:52with regards to why he may behave this particular way at times.
00:56But to his right, Kareem Davey, the one and only, you know, very well-known artist in Trinidad and Tobago,
01:05and I would say by extension globally when people get to know a lot of what this guy is capable of doing and is doing.
01:13And to his right, Niall McNeish, vibes God.
01:17Let's get straight into it, guys.
01:19Cancel culture.
01:20For real.
01:20What is it?
01:22Let's always go to the definition of cancel culture, right?
01:28So let me just pull that up real quick.
01:30For me, personally, I think cancel culture is just...
01:37A group of people who do like what somebody say and want them to be canceled.
01:42That is summarized perfectly.
01:47It's a culture.
01:48It is a culture of canceling something when you don't like it.
01:54And it is no longer seen as acceptable in your social norms.
01:59So the definition is a mass withdrawal or support from public figures or celebrities who have...
02:07Sorry, a mass withdrawal of support, and they're using public figures and celebrities as the people who could get canceled,
02:14who have done things that aren't socially accepted today.
02:18Agreed.
02:19Well, and it's a today...
02:20It's a mass shaming.
02:21It's a today term.
02:23It's a mass shaming.
02:24Because before, you don't like something.
02:26I mean, before the advent of social media, there wasn't, you know, this collective disagreement or this all of a sudden people recognizing that I'm upset by this and I'm taking it to another level and getting all caught up into it, as would be now.
02:44You know, now people are, you know, whether it's for anger and all these other things, for simple things, you know, it's like you want this off the air and all these demonstrations are happening.
02:54We now sit in the courts of Twitter.
02:57Well, for me, there's X now.
02:58Yeah, so we now sit in those courts.
03:00Like, that's what's controlling the narrative and it's always like that.
03:03The first person that speaks, like, no one thinking about the issue first.
03:08It's like, hey, this first person talk and this narrative we run with and we're just running.
03:13You know what I'm saying?
03:13So my question now is, is cancel culture good for society?
03:17Is it that we're all holding each other accountable and we shouldn't say certain things or act a certain way?
03:24And by extension, we all should need public shaming because shaming is actually get a lot of work done.
03:29Well, let's first have a discussion as to what are some of the things that are part of this cancel culture that get, you know, get us up in arms or that people have been, you know, historically have been annoyed or pissed off about.
03:47I mean, we could go into, you know, the terms that sometimes women are using now.
03:51We hear terms like toxic masculinity and manolescence and Peter Pan syndrome and all of these different things that are all parts, I would say, of this culture.
04:03You know, albeit there's a cancelling to it.
04:05But if you behave in a certain way or exhibit certain traits, you are persona non grata.
04:11Yeah, I mean, I think it started with good intention.
04:15It started, I believe, around with the Me Too movement and all the behind the scenes disgusting stuff that will go on in the Hollywood industry and whatnot.
04:23But then it's now, it's the Wild Wild West.
04:26It's anything that a major group doesn't like.
04:29And it does, as I say, not too much thought going into the issue.
04:34It's just that, yo, we don't like this.
04:36We are in control.
04:37And we could get this out of the way.
04:39That's simple.
04:39So it's an open sentence, Karib.
04:42It's basically, you're not in jail, but you're experiencing some of the same things.
04:46Because you say something like an anti-Semitic remark.
04:49And nobody's saying these things are right.
04:51But my point, instead of getting a slap on the wrist or somebody telling you, hey, you know, what you did there and give you another perspective.
04:58And you've been able to course correct.
05:00And now with the advent of social media, your entire career could be ruined.
05:05And, you know, you lose everything as a result of it.
05:09And it's...
05:12It's what?
05:15I'll leave it here to finish up my sentence.
05:17It's unfair to some extent.
05:20Keep in mind that only certain people can get cancelled, which is people who are popular.
05:26No one looking to cancel the man on the corner.
05:30Let me be real.
05:31He can't get cancelled.
05:31No one can't get cancelled because they don't know him enough to say...
05:35Or have nothing to cancel.
05:37Because the cancelling to me is a social capital.
05:40So if somebody's social capital is low, then they can't really cancel it.
05:45But low don't mean zero.
05:46Low just means low.
05:48So one person, I could cancel you if this is a one-to-one thing.
05:52Well, yeah.
05:52Yeah.
05:53So that's a good point.
05:54Good point.
05:54But then he could be low at that particular point.
05:57But because of social media now and recordings, if he then becomes something later on in his life,
06:04that one thing coming back to haunt you, so it might be zero or very low at that point.
06:09And then all of a sudden, it's the straw that breaks the camel back.
06:13A comment that you might have made, something that you might have found funny at that point.
06:17You might have been inebriated and did something.
06:19Happens a lot.
06:20And therefore, the ghosts of the past come back to haunt you.
06:23And it's a cancelled culture.
06:24And nobody's looking at that point and being reasonable to say at that point,
06:29listen, let me go into the understanding of where was that person at, at that particular point.
06:34Where are they at now?
06:36You understand?
06:37Are they apologetic for that?
06:39Is there remorse?
06:41You know, all of these different things.
06:42But no, it's an immediate, hey.
06:44Yeah.
06:45You know, bust your truth.
06:46We just know, you said it's not fear.
06:50Why do you say that?
06:52I think just for that same reason.
06:55It's a level three thing.
06:56And I feel like, you know, with the sexual abuse and those kind of things,
07:01like, that's a particular level.
07:02And I feel like, yo, okay, we dive deeper into this thing.
07:05And these people could be cancelled for that behaviour behind the scene
07:08that they have been hiding for so long in the industry.
07:10But then you have simple conversations that might be taken out of context.
07:15You spoke about things that could happen in the future.
07:17I could be a famous artist in the future, be loved by so many people.
07:21And I could say something.
07:22Well, you are a famous artist.
07:24World famous.
07:25And I could say something right here today that might be taken out of context
07:31because someone took a little song back.
07:33Someone took a clip.
07:35And no one would go, people not take any time to say,
07:39yo, let me go watch the hour-long thing.
07:43Agreed.
07:43They're going to take that clip.
07:44And from that clip, it will go so far that I'll be cancelled for that clip,
07:48not understanding that the rest of the sentence actually made sense.
07:52And by the time someone actually finds the entire interview,
07:57then it's like, it's too far gone.
07:59It's irrelevant at that point.
08:00There's 10 million people already viewed, 10 million people already set there.
08:03Correct. So nobody wants to do the due diligence.
08:05But I want to bring your hands in there.
08:07Help us have a bit of understanding behind the science or the psyche,
08:12behind why somebody may not want to do the due diligence and go and look at that
08:19because they want to see you fail.
08:21What is it that's within?
08:24And I say us.
08:25You're saying want to see you fail.
08:26I wouldn't go there yet versus everybody have a concept or perception of someone.
08:34And most times it can't change.
08:37Well, not can't.
08:38Most times they don't want it to change.
08:40So if I think you're a good person, no matter what you do,
08:43most times I'll think you're a good person.
08:45If I think you're a bad person, most times no matter what you do,
08:48you're a bad person.
08:49So therefore, cancelled culture comes in to your confirmation bias.
08:54Right?
08:54And confirmation bias is, wherever I think, I'm always biased to that.
09:00Regardless.
09:01Regardless.
09:01So let's just say I open the door for a woman.
09:07Right?
09:08If people who like me say, wait, boy, you know, that was a nice thing you do.
09:12You open the door for somebody.
09:13If somebody don't like me say, well, what you open the door for her for?
09:16If she can open the door for herself, et cetera, et cetera.
09:18So no matter what, what I do, if somebody have a confirmation bias,
09:24well, a bias towards something, my action will be a confirmation of that.
09:29Look, I want, as you said, that specific example, give that specific example.
09:34And we're talking about chivalry here, right?
09:36Chivalry isn't it.
09:36I actually opened a door for a woman the other day.
09:42And she actually looked at me and said, while I'm happy, or while I understand why you're opening the door,
09:50I don't need no man to open the door for me.
09:53And I thought to myself, this is not me trying to warn up on you or whatever.
09:58But that's how I was raised.
10:00And is it that I now have to revise or rethink the way?
10:06Because that in itself, we talk about right now you're saying no.
10:10But later on, is it going to be that the way that, you know, we try to define what a man should be
10:16is not going to be different because women may feel a particular way by men doing things like opening doors,
10:24you know, wanting to protect them, things that are innate.
10:28And part of, you know, we like to talk about Maslow's theory,
10:31part of our basic understanding of what a man should be.
10:35This is our question.
10:35I mean, I think with so much of it, we had to get into, like, the deep thought for every little decision
10:44based on, as you say, what a man should be or what we know a man should be.
10:49All right, so simple things.
10:49You go to a bar, you're going to have a drink.
10:52I know it's growing up, we know.
10:55You get a drink for the young lady, that beer will come with a straw,
10:58it will come with a napkin wrap around it.
11:00That's not something you could just guess about again.
11:02You have to know your friends.
11:03I don't know if it's not somebody that you always lime in it or whatnot.
11:06You have to ask the question.
11:08And every single thing you need to ask the question.
11:10And I mean, it's not good, it's not bad.
11:14And it's a learning process.
11:15It's things how we grew, things change in life.
11:18So you adapt the suit.
11:21But it's just tricky.
11:23Every single thing is a tiptoe.
11:25And people need to understand that you have to tiptoe around every time.
11:29You said the word tiptoe, and I want to go with it,
11:32but I want you to just help us or give us a better understanding of what,
11:39in your estimation, is the qualities and your understanding of a man.
11:48For me, I grew up listening, understanding, being a caregiver,
11:58protecting those around you, your loved ones, your children, your wife,
12:03respect, being that the breadwinner thing is a tricky thing,
12:10because I'm down for the woman in my life making that money and we're equaling that.
12:17But it's just something in you, at least for me,
12:20growing up and watching my father provide and whatnot,
12:22and even my father when he was ill, before he passed and thing,
12:25to see him not be able to provide,
12:29like you could see it in his face, even when he couldn't speak properly and thing,
12:31you could see it in his face that that was eating in my life,
12:35that he wasn't able to provide, and we just used to be reassuring like,
12:39yo, we could, you know, like you do a great job and we could,
12:42but he don't want to hear that.
12:44And it's the same thing, I do art, son, I am self-employed,
12:48they don't have dips, so in the household when there's a dip
12:50and my sisters, you know, she have to do and whatnot,
12:53although I know we could and we cool and we,
12:56it's still like, I'm big brother, I've fallen short, you know,
13:00I have to step up now, son, so all those little things I think are
13:06the old school man, son, and there are things that we need to shy away from
13:13and move away from and be comfortable with,
13:15but it's still a lot that we just can't get rid of,
13:18like it's just in us.
13:19So you said something there, Nail, I wanted to come back
13:22because I know you want to say something with regards to that tiptoe,
13:24and I also want to ask you with regards to the tiptoe,
13:27whether you're always being your authentic self and not tiptoeing
13:31and just being you, but I just wanted to touch,
13:34before we go to a break, Kareem, when you said about your sister
13:39and your dad and your sister saying that they're good
13:43and you telling your dad that you're good,
13:45but how you are feeling about yourself in terms of achieving.
13:49Now, if you take that into a smaller circle,
13:51because I know when you said the definition of cancel culture
13:54was to a bigger demographic, a bigger audience,
13:58but what about the smaller pods?
14:00So, for example, in your community and in your pod
14:02where they may have an outlook on you,
14:05that you are being less than a man,
14:07and forget he, like if you're your wife or your girlfriend, etc.,
14:11and how putting in their ears, what kind of man that is,
14:13he can buy you this and he can buy you that.
14:15Isn't that also, guys, a form of cancel culture?
14:18Like your girlfriend's, the friend group cancelling you
14:22as the boyfriend, yeah, I know that actually makes sense.
14:26They actually cancel culture, it's actually all sizes are groups.
14:29All sizes are happening.
14:31So, you know, your thoughts are not, I find you quiet.
14:35Well, the thing is, I've been contemplating in my mind
14:38whether or not you should be tiptoeing, right?
14:41Because you can't please everybody, right?
14:45And what I would say, a caveat is,
14:48is the most you could do is communicate clearly.
14:53If you are somebody where it is you have high social capital,
14:56mid, low, you communicate clearly.
14:58So, you're using the words first,
15:00not just actions, it could be canceled for, but your words.
15:03If you're saying something, be as clear as you can.
15:06That's the only thing you can do.
15:07If somebody take it out of context, that's their choice.
15:11But then you still have to keep,
15:12but then is it that you still have to keep a still tongue then?
15:15Because if you really want to say something in particular,
15:18but that's what tiptoe it is.
15:20But that's what we're getting to them,
15:21but it depends on your social capital, guys.
15:24If I am of a certain ilk and of certain prominence, right?
15:28Or you're the president of a country,
15:30you cannot say certain things.
15:32No, you should not say something.
15:34Or you should not say something.
15:35But according to who, still, you know.
15:37Yeah, I agree.
15:39Because, all right,
15:41we say it have things socially and not socially acceptable.
15:44Who accepts it is they.
15:47They, right?
15:49Who is they?
15:50Who is they?
15:50Many different groups of people.
15:52Many different groups.
15:53The people that matter that you consider
15:54necessary for you to do what you do.
15:56And also standards that were set way back when
15:58that we need to break away.
15:59It have people who do sex tapes
16:01that increase the social capital
16:03and we still revere them to this day.
16:06So, if you understand what I'm saying now,
16:08the they we're talking about,
16:10you could never,
16:11you cannot control because
16:13that sex tape come back and buy them
16:16and they get cancelled.
16:17And then a year later,
16:19it big them up.
16:20You cuss somebody.
16:21But there are certain things.
16:24Like, if some of those same names
16:26you're talking about
16:27came out and said something
16:29very, you know,
16:30a racial slur or something.
16:32There's no coming back from that now.
16:34Which has happened.
16:35But, but.
16:36And we said that he was going to cancel
16:38and nobody cancelled them.
16:40And there's a demographic as well
16:42for that of people that would say,
16:43you know,
16:44there's always this analogy
16:45that people use of, say, 9-11.
16:48You know, where people look at,
16:49you know, that incident
16:51and call those people terrorists.
16:54Right?
16:54And the people that,
16:56where they're from,
16:57actue of them as martyrs.
16:58So, so it is,
16:59it is a matter of perspective.
17:02Right?
17:02And, and, and,
17:03and where you're coming from.
17:04So, you know,
17:05to the person who may say
17:06the racial slur,
17:07to a person who's racist,
17:10KKK or somebody listening
17:11might go,
17:11hey, good on you.
17:12Now, is that person's
17:14social capital
17:14or that environment
17:15big enough to
17:17outdo
17:18the they that they
17:19might be looking at
17:20at that point?
17:21Or is it,
17:22or is it now
17:23taking them,
17:24propelling them
17:24to an even higher level
17:27or higher rating
17:28in their way?
17:30I could get cancelled
17:31from here,
17:32cancelled culture here,
17:33but I'd really business
17:34about that
17:34because now I'm
17:36all up here.
17:37That's a good question.
17:38Before we get cancelled,
17:39let me go to the break.
17:40Hello again.
17:52I'm Niall.
17:53We're talking about
17:53cancelled culture here
17:55today on Manhood.
17:56Right?
17:56And I wanted to
17:58drive home the point of
18:00cancelled culture
18:01basically is all about
18:03tiptoeing away
18:04from what could get you
18:06in bad favour
18:07with the masses.
18:09Personally,
18:09I don't think that
18:10cancelled culture is real
18:11to be honest
18:11because if I'm using
18:13someone like
18:14Donald Trump
18:15for example,
18:16he's saying
18:17the wildest stuff.
18:19It's definitely
18:19the African Jews.
18:21Now,
18:21so we're going on
18:22what the majority
18:23of people think
18:24that is not deemed
18:26is not good
18:28for the majority,
18:29right?
18:30In my mind,
18:31really and truly,
18:32if it is that
18:33your actions
18:34has no consequences
18:36based on
18:39I can say
18:41to be honest,
18:41I can say
18:42whatever I want
18:42really and truly,
18:43right?
18:44I try not to tiptoe
18:45around people.
18:46I like aggravating people
18:48I should say
18:48because most people
18:50don't,
18:51they're very
18:52hesitant
18:54to come out
18:54of their comfort zone
18:55and they're very
18:57insecure most times,
18:59right?
18:59And I have no
19:00insecurity.
19:00Well,
19:00people are thin-skinned.
19:01People are thin-skinned,
19:02that.
19:04No,
19:04you know,
19:04here it is.
19:05I feel great,
19:06we have a real good
19:07point there.
19:07You see how he said
19:08you like to provoke
19:10people,
19:11right?
19:12And how you describe
19:13him as a provocateur.
19:14If you stay within
19:16your box,
19:17you're more likely
19:19to be acceptable,
19:20right?
19:21Even if you're saying
19:22things.
19:22Even if it's something
19:23wild because
19:23if you are the
19:25provocateur,
19:25I just gave you an
19:26example,
19:26and you say
19:27provocative things,
19:28then that's okay,
19:29nobody will cancel it.
19:30Donald Trump
19:31known for saying
19:32wild things.
19:33So if he say
19:34wild things,
19:35he wouldn't get
19:35canceled.
19:36But I think
19:37an element of it
19:37is if you step
19:38out of the box
19:39of someone's mind.
19:41Right?
19:42So if,
19:44okay,
19:45I am a behavior
19:46change consultant,
19:47so if I talk
19:48about behavior
19:48no matter what,
19:49I could talk
19:49about sex
19:50and deviance
19:51and just thinking
19:52things.
19:52Even if I talk
19:53about pedophilia
19:54and the behavior
19:55behind it,
19:55people would say,
19:56I expect Johansi
19:57to speak about
19:58things like that
19:58even though it may
19:59be uncomfortable
19:59to hear.
20:00They expect you,
20:02so I want a couple
20:03things here.
20:03They may expect you
20:04to say certain
20:06things,
20:06but how you say it
20:08and how you further
20:09communicate it might be
20:10what might be up
20:11for cancel culture
20:11or like how Niall
20:12says,
20:13he says what he
20:14wants.
20:15Right?
20:15Now we expect him
20:16to be a provocateur,
20:17but if he goes out
20:18of that delivery box
20:20that people can become
20:21accustomed to him
20:22delivering it
20:22and makes a statement
20:23like,
20:25I don't know,
20:25I don't want to,
20:26you know,
20:26say something in particular,
20:28but you may be
20:28talking about,
20:29say pedophilia
20:29and you're talking
20:31about it from,
20:32you know,
20:33science and an
20:34understanding based
20:35on that,
20:36but if you turn
20:36around and say,
20:37you know,
20:38you like little
20:39boys,
20:40it's a difference.
20:42Right,
20:42and that's what I'm saying
20:42when it's out of,
20:44out of context,
20:45that's also,
20:46also part of it.
20:47What they,
20:48they understand.
20:48Of they,
20:49of they,
20:49we've been back
20:50with this elusive
20:52they,
20:52whoever this they is,
20:53right?
20:54But if they
20:55is not in alignment
20:56with they.
20:57Your target audience.
20:58Well,
20:59you don't even have
21:00to have a target audience.
21:01If you're in any
21:02spotlight or not,
21:04because you could have
21:04social capital
21:05in your village,
21:06in your tongue,
21:06et cetera,
21:07people look at you
21:08because they don't know
21:09the full aspects of you,
21:11the full gamut
21:12of who you are.
21:12Well,
21:12target audience meaning
21:13anybody that can impact you
21:15is your target audience
21:16because if,
21:17if,
21:17if they could have
21:18no impact on your life,
21:20then they're not your target.
21:21You wouldn't care
21:21whether they,
21:22whether they like you
21:23or don't like you.
21:24Okay,
21:24fair,
21:24fair enough.
21:25I could take that,
21:27right?
21:27If you do something
21:28outside of whatever
21:29is their perception of you,
21:31they have the option
21:32of cancelling you
21:34because you step out
21:36of your box.
21:36I don't want to see
21:37you step out of your box,
21:38so I don't want to see
21:39you at all,
21:40right?
21:40And I put it that way
21:41because this cancel culture
21:43is such a slippery slope
21:44that I understand it,
21:48but I think it's,
21:49we talked about it before,
21:51a de-evolution of society.
21:52This is a digression
21:53because,
21:54because I don't want to see it,
21:56right?
21:57Which is fine,
21:58then turn off your TV,
22:00then unfollow me.
22:01Yeah.
22:01Then,
22:02the things I don't see,
22:03just like on Instagram,
22:04when things come up,
22:05as soon as I see something,
22:06I unfollow it.
22:07If you understand what I'm saying.
22:07What's the word you know
22:08I like to use?
22:10Utopia.
22:11Utopia.
22:12Right.
22:13That is what we ask
22:14many people.
22:15If you don't like it,
22:16just unfollow me
22:17or don't look at it.
22:18There's a show,
22:19there's a show on television
22:21now of,
22:21you know,
22:22which we are very happy about
22:24and proud about,
22:25which is a women's talk show.
22:27And the comments
22:28that I'm seeing on there
22:29are,
22:29you know,
22:30mind-blowing,
22:32boggling to me
22:32because they're vile,
22:34they're women
22:34who are not even
22:35really listening.
22:36But again,
22:36as you mentioned it,
22:37if you don't like the messenger,
22:38then you're not going to,
22:40you're not going to
22:41even take the message on.
22:42But why don't you like
22:43the messenger
22:43if that's the case?
22:44And this thing,
22:45when you don't even know
22:46the other person,
22:47but,
22:47but,
22:48but,
22:48but,
22:49you know,
22:49you look,
22:50you're looking at that
22:51and my thing is,
22:52if,
22:52if you don't like it,
22:54just don't watch it.
22:55You know,
22:56but,
22:56but you're,
22:56but you're watching it
22:57with anger and hate,
22:59you know,
23:00and,
23:00and,
23:00oh my God,
23:01I make all these comments.
23:02My thing is,
23:03you have so many other channels
23:05and Netflix.
23:07While we appreciate
23:07that you're looking at,
23:08at,
23:09at our channel,
23:10my thing is people have choice
23:11and why people get so angry
23:14and caught up
23:14and,
23:15and as if,
23:15as if the world is going to end,
23:17you know,
23:17we,
23:17we're not,
23:18we're not too vitriolic about
23:19with,
23:19with things like climate change
23:21and crime in this country
23:23and all of that.
23:23But we,
23:24we,
23:24we tend to,
23:25you know,
23:25as my dad once said,
23:27major any minors,
23:27right,
23:28and,
23:29and,
23:29and go after the low hanging fruit
23:31and it's almost,
23:32you know,
23:32as I'm saying,
23:33it's almost like our own form
23:35of bullying.
23:36Yeah.
23:37You know,
23:37it's,
23:37it's like,
23:38let me,
23:38let me go after something
23:39that I know
23:40while I'm there
23:41as part of the crowd
23:43and I,
23:43and I'm looking at maybe a thousand
23:44other people doing it.
23:45Let me add to that
23:46and see if I could get the likes
23:48and add to that bullying
23:49and breakdown
23:50because I know nobody's
23:51stepping back
23:52and saying something to me.
23:55So,
23:55like,
23:55for example,
23:56if somebody comes
23:58and tells me something
23:59in a forum,
24:00I have to,
24:01based on,
24:02based on my,
24:03you know,
24:03depends on the environment,
24:04the capacity,
24:05et cetera,
24:06I had to take that.
24:07I have to take it to a certain extent.
24:08No, you don't have to.
24:09No, when I say,
24:10I could tell them,
24:11what could really be on my mind
24:12where I want to tell them,
24:14so on,
24:15so on,
24:15so on,
24:15so on,
24:16but,
24:16but,
24:16but you can't because,
24:18but you can't,
24:19but you can't,
24:20you can do,
24:21you can do anything,
24:22but there are consequences
24:23and repercussions too.
24:25And that's what I'm saying.
24:26So if you don't want
24:26those repercussions,
24:27if we don't want
24:28that cancel culture
24:29because you know,
24:30you're trying,
24:30you're trying to do something
24:32in service of something greater
24:33than be able,
24:34you know,
24:35just having a moment where,
24:36you know,
24:36you could win the battle
24:37and lose the war.
24:38I could cuss you,
24:39I could tell you
24:39what I really want
24:40and therefore,
24:41the bigger mission
24:42is then lost.
24:42Or I could ignore you,
24:44I could take the higher road.
24:45What is it Michelle Obama said,
24:46when they go low,
24:47we go high.
24:48And I take,
24:48I take the higher road,
24:50but really and truly as humans,
24:51which is why when you said,
24:52you always say what you want,
24:54you really want to say sometimes
24:56like,
24:56you know.
24:57But what I'm saying to you now
24:59is that there's no such,
25:00there's no consequences.
25:02Like nothing is going to change
25:04in your life
25:05if you say what you want.
25:07Nothing other than
25:08pissing off people.
25:09Think about it.
25:10We have had very,
25:11we have had very memorable people,
25:13very,
25:14let me not use the word important,
25:16but known,
25:17notable people
25:18say some very
25:19outer timing comments.
25:21the country at our large,
25:23we say,
25:24we're canceling,
25:25we're not going to
25:26any of their locations,
25:27we're not,
25:28we're canceling.
25:30Three days pass,
25:32went back,
25:32placed a ram out.
25:34So,
25:34our culture is very different too,
25:35we're so fickle with these things,
25:36so that's another thing.
25:37That's just not we,
25:38that is everybody.
25:40I just think,
25:40there's no...
25:41But Kareem,
25:42Niall,
25:42Johan say,
25:43you made a very good point there,
25:45that people say certain things
25:46and they don't follow through.
25:48But there are also other instances
25:50where people have said things
25:51and they're no longer in that space.
25:53If you sit down in that chair,
25:55if you sit down in that chair there,
25:57and you say call,
25:59certain names,
26:01certain names.
26:02Right.
26:02You think the next film
26:03in you are going to be in that chair?
26:04Not here,
26:05but I could certainly tell you
26:06that if it is I press live
26:08on my Instagram page,
26:10I'm going to get,
26:11if not more people watching me.
26:13Correct.
26:14And that,
26:15you see,
26:15you see,
26:16you go ahead and then,
26:18and then I'll see.
26:18It brings back to the point
26:19that you were saying just now
26:20is about you making the world
26:22know who you are.
26:24So,
26:25for me,
26:25like I will watch now lives
26:26and watch this stuff.
26:27Now I can tell you what?
26:29He has put himself
26:30in that place
26:31and have done this for years
26:33that he says things,
26:34he says things
26:35and I just be like,
26:36talk.
26:37You get away with that?
26:38Like he could say what he wants.
26:39He put himself in that place now.
26:41For me,
26:42my,
26:42I have a,
26:43there's a difference between
26:44like some of my old friends
26:45and my newer friends.
26:47A lot of the newer people
26:48who might just know me
26:49from around
26:49might not know me,
26:50know me.
26:51But they are,
26:52we use it before,
26:53thin-skinned.
26:55We have a generation
26:56of a lot of thin-skinned people.
26:58And,
26:59but they,
27:01they love to give you talk.
27:02They love to say
27:03what they want,
27:04but they can't take.
27:05If you say something,
27:06then you're disrespectful
27:07as this,
27:07as that,
27:08or whatever.
27:09So,
27:09and I don't start things,
27:12but I get really extreme
27:14and I end things
27:15in the worst way now.
27:16Right?
27:16It has no balance.
27:18If you want to talk,
27:20let me talk.
27:21That's what I grew up with.
27:22So,
27:23for me,
27:24I analyze the squad.
27:25But if I talk,
27:26I'll be saying
27:26what we want.
27:27I analyze the team
27:28and I'm just like,
27:30this is not necessary.
27:32Hurting this,
27:32this group of people's
27:33feelings here today
27:35and spoiling their joy,
27:36not necessary now.
27:37I don't need this.
27:38So,
27:39I make the choice
27:40to say,
27:40you know what,
27:41and align with them
27:42or staying inside.
27:44Like,
27:44that's my issue.
27:45When I talk about tiptoeing,
27:47I still see,
27:48if I'm out
27:49and I choose to be out,
27:51I say,
27:51what I have to say.
27:52So,
27:52if you're saying
27:54what you have to say,
27:55so,
27:55say it to me
27:56and say it on the show,
27:58like,
27:58what are some of the,
27:59with specific examples,
28:00because we're skirting around
28:01a lot of things
28:02talking about it generally.
28:03Let's talk about
28:04some specific things
28:05that bother you
28:07in this country
28:07or bother you in general
28:09or being a man,
28:10things that you're like,
28:11you know,
28:11it's unfair.
28:12So,
28:12we're not talking about
28:13calling out something
28:14that you say,
28:15something that could get you
28:15cancelled,
28:16but things that bother you.
28:17things that bother me.
28:21Yo,
28:21as I say,
28:22specific to a man,
28:23there's so many things
28:24generally.
28:26Say something general then
28:27if it's not specific to a man.
28:29Just the,
28:30that same,
28:31that inability to,
28:32to just speak,
28:33to just vent.
28:35Right?
28:36Yo,
28:36yo,
28:37somebody had a bad drive.
28:38Back in the day,
28:38if you had a bad drive,
28:39I could cry down the window
28:40and I could tell you,
28:41what is that one?
28:43Now you had a,
28:44I had a second guess
28:45because I don't know
28:46who this person is.
28:47I don't know if this person
28:48have a gun.
28:48I don't know if this person
28:49have built up road rage.
28:51They might bounce me.
28:52They might follow me to my,
28:53I,
28:53I got that at night.
28:54I remember,
28:54I made a,
28:55I had a,
28:56a off drive on somebody.
28:58Thing,
28:58I cried on the glass.
28:59Sorry.
29:00Guy didn't want to hear me.
29:01He followed me.
29:03He raced behind me
29:04and was in my bumper
29:05straight down the road.
29:06It's from McCoy,
29:07I lights.
29:07Straight down.
29:08I head into Woodbrook
29:09but our family from Mova
29:10and thing,
29:10I don't know where he from.
29:12I was just like,
29:12you know what?
29:13Let me see how long
29:14you want to play this game.
29:15So I turned up
29:16to the lady young instead.
29:17He turned off to the lady young
29:18and he go in
29:20and then I turned up
29:21to go by Paradise
29:22outside
29:22and then he stopped.
29:24You know,
29:25from the,
29:25you know,
29:25but I was just like,
29:26but you can't just
29:29vent anymore.
29:31you can't say
29:33what you want to say
29:34that loosely
29:34and it's not only
29:35about cancel culture
29:36but it's also about
29:37losing your life too.
29:39It's that serious.
29:40Being outside right now,
29:42it's that tricky
29:44to just say,
29:44hey,
29:45somebody bounce you
29:45or whatever it is
29:46and the person
29:47is disrespectful.
29:48I can't tell you,
29:48you're going to get.
29:51But as I'm like,
29:53to more specifically
29:55to a man,
29:57like,
29:57is it that you feel
29:58that you can't see
29:59things
30:00or be a particular way
30:01as a man
30:02that you would have been
30:03in the past
30:04because of being afraid
30:06by the cancel culture?
30:09The cancel culture.
30:14It's there.
30:15A lot of things
30:15that I might have done
30:16in the past,
30:17I generally would not do now
30:19and not only,
30:20not just because
30:21of the cancel culture
30:21but just over growth.
30:23Yeah,
30:24just over growth.
30:24Like,
30:24you would look back
30:25and be like,
30:25yo,
30:26that was real s***
30:27and like,
30:27we shouldn't do that
30:27and like,
30:28you would think that
30:28you didn't know
30:30it affected women
30:32or affected different people
30:33in certain weeks.
30:34Like what?
30:35Cat calling.
30:37Cat calling
30:37and these things.
30:38Like I can't stand it now.
30:39Like I can't stand
30:40the suits
30:40and the cat calling
30:41and anything.
30:42However,
30:44I understand
30:45like from different
30:45points of views
30:46like I...
30:48No, no, no.
30:51No, because
30:51there's a balance
30:53in the sense of
30:53and this is where
30:55the tricky part comes in.
30:56I wouldn't do it anymore
30:57because I know
30:58how it might affect
30:59the friends who hire her.
31:01Right?
31:01I can't read
31:02every woman's mind.
31:03Now,
31:03there are women
31:04who I know
31:04enjoy it still.
31:06True.
31:06They love it.
31:07Correct.
31:08I can't read
31:09every woman's mind.
31:10Do women actually enjoy that?
31:12Yo.
31:12Yeah.
31:13Some women,
31:13they walk past
31:14and they walk past
31:15like a construction site
31:16and the men
31:17ain't given
31:18any kind of
31:19for the course.
31:19I literally,
31:20I have like,
31:21and this is not me
31:22just guessing.
31:23I know women
31:24who let me know
31:25that, yo,
31:25we miss it.
31:27We miss being called
31:29because men
31:30can't do it anymore
31:31and whatnot
31:31and they miss it.
31:32It will brighten
31:33their day and whatnot.
31:34And I had to explain
31:35and I was just like,
31:36yo,
31:36well,
31:37I can't read your mind
31:38and I can't read her mind
31:39and her mind
31:40and her mind.
31:40So based on my growth
31:42and my understanding
31:43of the majority
31:44of my female friends,
31:45I will just stop doing it
31:46because I know
31:47it could negatively
31:48affect that person.
31:50So because of that,
31:50I would stop.
31:52But to say that
31:52it's just
31:53straight across the board
31:55a bad thing,
31:56that's once again
31:57the controlling group,
31:59the they.
32:00The they
32:01who are in control
32:01put it in that category.
32:02Yeah,
32:03you can't.
32:04Who's the they?
32:05The they is
32:06anybody,
32:07the they
32:07who's going to impact
32:08your life.
32:08The they is whoever
32:09is that controlling
32:11group for whatever reason.
32:13So back to my point
32:14of it's not real.
32:16It's not real.
32:17There's so many
32:17different days
32:18that we come in
32:20because we really
32:21have to go to a break
32:22but I really want to hear
32:23because I will tell you
32:25for example,
32:27even asking wifey
32:29or another female
32:31if they offer
32:32to give you something
32:33to eat.
32:34You know,
32:34you go by somebody
32:35you're like,
32:35hey,
32:36you know,
32:36I don't know
32:36if I want to
32:37ask you to make
32:39anything for me
32:40because sometimes
32:41you're so conscious
32:42at the fact that
32:43you think that
32:45women supposed to
32:47cook and clean
32:48and all these other things.
32:48Well,
32:48that's not what you're thinking
32:49but you're so conscious
32:51that you don't want
32:52to do the they
32:53that you don't want
32:54to upset the they
32:55that you're
32:55that you
32:56it's sending you
32:57almost crazy
32:58to what it really is.
32:59That you're sending
32:59the f***ing self to.
33:01So say what you're
33:02saying,
33:03because you can't
33:05read everybody's mind.
33:06Right?
33:07And if you're coming
33:08from a place of
33:09let you go
33:09respectful,
33:10say intent.
33:11Whatever you're doing
33:12is your intent
33:12is respect.
33:13Now,
33:14people can take it
33:14however they want
33:15and if I'm going
33:16back to being a man,
33:18listen,
33:18people just have
33:19to be the self.
33:20If somebody
33:21is offended by it,
33:22what I will say,
33:23what I can tell you,
33:24at least whatever
33:25you decide to speak,
33:27at least you can
33:27back it up.
33:28So if I say,
33:29I'll just give you
33:29an example,
33:30the majority
33:32of women I know
33:33don't like to
33:34drive at night.
33:36Right?
33:36That is a statement
33:36I make.
33:37People go,
33:37no, no, no,
33:38you're saying
33:39women frightened,
33:40a woman weak.
33:40I said,
33:41no,
33:41the majority
33:42of women I know
33:43don't like to
33:45drive at night.
33:45I could back it up
33:46and maybe I could
33:47call this woman
33:48and say,
33:48I could back it up
33:50and the most
33:52I could do
33:52is say a statement
33:53that coming from
33:55a place of respect,
33:57coming from
33:57a place of truth,
33:59right?
33:59Those two things
34:00and then however,
34:02however,
34:02however you take it
34:03after that,
34:04that's on you.
34:05Right.
34:06So with that one?
34:07Yes,
34:08and with that one,
34:09before we get
34:10cancelled again,
34:11we're going to
34:11our break.
34:23Alright,
34:23this is Manhood
34:24and the topic
34:24is cancelled
34:25culture today.
34:28When it comes
34:29to the repercussions
34:30and the seeing
34:31what you want,
34:32I really feel
34:33like
34:34the they,
34:36once again,
34:38this,
34:38this,
34:38they,
34:39who,
34:39as you say,
34:40don't really exist.
34:41Alright,
34:41it's just that
34:42first person,
34:44that first tweet.
34:45I just use Twitter
34:46as an example
34:46about that.
34:47It's that first tweet
34:48that people choose
34:49to run with.
34:50So,
34:50I agree with you
34:51when you're talking
34:52about,
34:53you have your,
34:54you have your stuff
34:55to back it up.
34:56The same way I could say
34:56that the majority
34:57of women who
34:58I'm around
34:58don't like catcalling
34:59and I could back
35:00that up with that
35:01and you have your people
35:02who don't,
35:03they're not driving
35:04at night and whatnot
35:04but you make
35:07that wrong statement
35:09and the outside
35:11see it.
35:12They don't care,
35:13we live in a way
35:14right now
35:14where no one cares
35:15about what you could
35:16back up and whatnot.
35:17It doesn't matter.
35:18They don't give you
35:18the time.
35:19They don't even give you
35:19the time.
35:20So,
35:20it don't matter
35:21that you can explain
35:22that it come out
35:23of a kind heart,
35:24that it come out
35:25of any level of respect.
35:27That don't matter anymore.
35:28Well,
35:28like you said
35:29that you start
35:29with the songbite.
35:30Yeah.
35:30They're only interested
35:31in that song
35:32but they don't want
35:32to see the motion.
35:33they don't want to
35:33see anything else.
35:34So,
35:34you and I think
35:35that's also like,
35:36I don't know
35:36if it's a new
35:37generational problem
35:37where,
35:38you know,
35:38we're dealing
35:39with things
35:39with social media,
35:39everything is so quick.
35:41Everything has to be
35:41a short clip
35:42or whatnot.
35:43They're not reading
35:43anything,
35:44they're not going
35:44through anything,
35:45they're not digging
35:45into anything
35:46before they speak.
35:47They are now
35:48the new journalists,
35:50understand,
35:50without doing
35:51the research.
35:52They are now
35:53Twitter is the new
35:54journalist
35:54without doing
35:55the research.
35:56They are now
35:56the new...
35:56You can't be a journalist
35:57without doing
35:58the research.
35:58But that's the standard,
36:01understand?
36:02They are now
36:03the courts,
36:04understand?
36:05Judge,
36:05juror,
36:06without anything.
36:08They're just there
36:08and it's what
36:09we say first,
36:11that's what we go with.
36:12If the first person
36:14who had the most
36:14powerful voice
36:15or whatnot
36:16said something
36:16positive
36:17toward this thing,
36:18it's going
36:19positive.
36:20So I take
36:21what Johans
36:22is,
36:23where he's
36:23coming from
36:24in terms of
36:25you can't
36:26be a journalist
36:26even by,
36:27there's no new
36:28definition of
36:28journalist,
36:29is a journalist,
36:29so it's an oxymoron
36:30to even suggest
36:31something different.
36:33So there's bad
36:35journalism,
36:35but there's still
36:36standards for,
36:37if there's bad
36:38journalism,
36:38it's almost like
36:39saying it's not
36:39journalism at all.
36:40If you don't
36:41follow certain
36:42standards,
36:42there's basics,
36:44and if you don't
36:44follow certain
36:45standards,
36:46certain code of
36:46ethics,
36:47etc.,
36:47then you're not,
36:48it's not really
36:48bad journalism,
36:49it's simply
36:49not journalism
36:50at all.
36:51You've
36:52communicated
36:53a form of
36:53information,
36:56and reactionism,
36:58and so on,
36:58but journalism
36:59at its purest
37:01form,
37:02in terms of
37:02the dictionary
37:03meaning,
37:04and what it
37:05stands for,
37:06there's a code,
37:07you are the
37:07fourth estate,
37:08and if you're
37:09not complying
37:10and moving
37:11to suit,
37:11then you're
37:11not a journalist.
37:13You are,
37:14you know,
37:15what's your
37:16word,
37:16like shadow
37:17boxing,
37:18you are,
37:18you're an
37:20imposter.
37:21Imposter.
37:21Oh,
37:22I was going
37:22to say
37:22a shepherd,
37:23but then
37:23you're good.
37:24But if I
37:26ask one
37:27question,
37:27I guess that
37:28makes me a
37:28journalist,
37:29if I ask
37:30one question
37:30into the
37:30topic,
37:31but let
37:32me ask
37:33something a
37:33little bit
37:33controversial,
37:34right?
37:35To everyone
37:36here on the
37:36panel,
37:37do you think
37:37that racism
37:38exists in
37:38this country?
37:39Of course.
37:40Yes.
37:41We don't
37:41ever talk
37:42about it.
37:43We as in
37:44man,
37:44you're
37:46putting
37:46we in
37:47the same
37:47bracket as
37:48the they,
37:49because it's
37:50very,
37:50very rarely
37:51spoken about.
37:52You think
37:53so?
37:54Yeah.
37:55As in
37:56actually
37:56discussed
37:57on a
38:00platform,
38:01on a
38:01public
38:01platform,
38:02you've
38:03ever had
38:03or seen
38:04a conversation
38:05on a
38:05public
38:06platform
38:06about
38:07the
38:07issues
38:07of
38:07racism
38:08in
38:08this
38:08country?
38:09Because
38:09you're
38:09talking
38:10about
38:10cancel
38:11culture
38:11and
38:12you're
38:12talking
38:12about
38:13victimization
38:13because
38:14some
38:14people,
38:15the
38:15persons,
38:16a lot
38:17of times,
38:17Niall,
38:18when you
38:18speak about
38:19racism
38:19on a
38:20platform,
38:21sometimes
38:22you are
38:23speaking
38:23from a
38:24position
38:24of
38:25appearing
38:26almost
38:26like a
38:27victim.
38:28So you're
38:28not sound
38:30like,
38:30I've heard
38:31conversations
38:32where people
38:33go down
38:34the road
38:34of,
38:35you know,
38:35it's because
38:35I'm Indian
38:36or because
38:36I'm black
38:37or because
38:37I'm Chinese
38:38and whatever
38:38the case
38:38may be.
38:39And really
38:40when you
38:40delve deeper
38:41into that
38:41person,
38:42you ask
38:42maybe
38:42certain
38:43questions.
38:44It has
38:44nothing to
38:45do with
38:45their race
38:46or their
38:46ethnicity.
38:47It simply
38:48had to
38:48do with
38:49probably
38:49their
38:49academic
38:50background
38:51or their
38:51way of
38:52portraying
38:52themselves
38:53and it's
38:54a nice
38:55card to
38:55play
38:56immediately
38:56is because
38:57I'm black
38:58or because
38:58I was Indian
38:59or because
39:00I was
39:00Chinese
39:01or because
39:01I was
39:01white,
39:02whatever the
39:02case,
39:03you hardly
39:03ever hear
39:03the latter
39:04but you
39:05understand
39:05where I'm
39:05coming from.
39:07So it's
39:07about really
39:08doing a
39:09deeper dive
39:10and becoming
39:10more granular
39:11into
39:12understanding
39:12was that
39:13really
39:13the example
39:16you brought
39:17up?
39:17Was that
39:18specifically
39:19racism or
39:20is it just
39:21easier to
39:22use racism?
39:22I absolutely
39:23agree but
39:24the issue
39:24that I
39:25what I'm
39:25saying is
39:26that back
39:26to the
39:26tiptoeing is
39:27that most
39:28times no
39:29one speaks
39:29about it.
39:30We only see
39:31the effect
39:32of it and
39:33if I go to
39:34the comments
39:34on any
39:35particular
39:35post I'm
39:37going to
39:37see some
39:38recent comments
39:38in a country
39:39that is very
39:40mixed up which
39:41is very strange
39:43but the reason
39:43why our
39:44leaders would
39:45speak at
39:46each other
39:47rather than
39:47with each
39:48other about
39:48the actual
39:49common issues
39:50is one
39:50people are
39:51utilizing it
39:52for their
39:52own benefit
39:53right?
39:54So they're
39:54literally using
39:55the pressure
39:56of social
39:57shaming
39:58to benefit
40:00from it
40:01which I
40:01find is a
40:02horrible
40:02experience.
40:03Well hence
40:03it's horrible
40:03experience.
40:04Why I say
40:05it's horrible?
40:06Because it's
40:07not beneficial
40:07to the whole.
40:09It don't
40:10matter because
40:11it's beneficial
40:11to them and
40:12the thing is
40:13everybody have
40:14their own
40:15self-internals
40:15right?
40:16For sure.
40:17Right.
40:17And we
40:18can't make
40:19people think
40:20the way we
40:21think they
40:21should think
40:22and people
40:22can't make
40:23us think
40:24the way
40:24they think
40:25we should
40:25think.
40:26And I
40:26realize
40:27speaking about
40:29this cancer
40:29culture we
40:30want people
40:31to you talk
40:32about fairness
40:33we talk about
40:34what people
40:34should do
40:35and what
40:35people shouldn't
40:36do.
40:37Do whatever
40:37you want.
40:38Right?
40:39Hear your mouth.
40:39Do whatever
40:40you want.
40:41Of course
40:41there's
40:41consequences
40:42to lying
40:43consequences
40:43to telling
40:44the truth.
40:44There's
40:45consequences
40:45to staying
40:45silent
40:46there's
40:46consequences
40:46to saying
40:47do whatever
40:48you want.
40:49B we talk
40:49about authentic
40:50self in a
40:50previous episode.
40:52As a man
40:53damned if you
40:55do damned
40:55if you don't.
40:56So you
40:57should do.
40:58You should
40:58do because
40:59if you don't
41:00you will I
41:00think you will
41:01live a life
41:01of regret.
41:02If you have
41:03something to
41:03say.
41:04If you do
41:04or if you
41:04don't.
41:05If you do
41:07you'll live a
41:07life of regret
41:08or if you
41:08don't.
41:08If you don't.
41:09If you keep
41:10it inside
41:11and don't let
41:12it out.
41:12Even if you
41:13come across
41:14as wrong
41:14because I
41:16realize nothing
41:16wrong with
41:17being wrong.
41:17If I
41:17vehemently
41:18think the
41:19sky is red
41:20I should
41:21say that
41:21and then be
41:22corrected by
41:23everybody.
41:23That way I
41:24could gain
41:25some knowledge.
41:25So if I
41:26think all
41:28tall men
41:29shouldn't
41:30get no
41:30gills.
41:30Right.
41:31I should
41:32say that
41:32out.
41:33Right.
41:33And then be
41:34corrected and
41:35then say
41:35that real
41:37obtuse.
41:38That don't
41:38make sense.
41:39Look at that
41:3910 tall men
41:40with gills.
41:41Because that
41:42way I will
41:42learn something.
41:43But if I
41:43keep that
41:44inside and
41:45I let it
41:45fester I
41:46could be
41:47living in
41:47this prison
41:48of
41:49dotishness.
41:50Right.
41:50Where I
41:51never learn
41:51anything.
41:52So yes I
41:53understand you
41:53talking about
41:54cancel
41:54culture and
41:55if it's
41:56good or
41:56bad.
41:56But here
41:57I think
41:57it's good
41:58because it
41:59will challenge
41:59everybody to
42:00be the
42:01authentic
42:01self.
42:01If that
42:02way you
42:02say it
42:02stand up
42:03by your
42:03state.
42:04Cancel
42:04culture good.
42:05Yeah.
42:05Yeah.
42:06I see it
42:07good here.
42:07No one wants
42:07to say how
42:08they truly
42:08feel about
42:09anything
42:09because of
42:10it.
42:11And that's
42:11the issue.
42:12No one
42:12actually says
42:13how they
42:14feel.
42:15But you
42:16see now if
42:16we tell
42:17people because
42:18cancel
42:18culture is
42:18still people
42:19expressing
42:19themselves.
42:20So we
42:21can't tell
42:21people who
42:21need cancel
42:22culture not
42:23to say
42:23anything because
42:24that's also
42:25suppressing
42:26their freedom
42:27of speech.
42:28So you
42:28are free
42:28to be
42:29stupid.
42:29If you
42:30understand
42:30what I'm
42:31saying,
42:31everybody
42:31have a
42:31choice to
42:32be
42:32stupid.
42:33So you
42:33express
42:34yourself,
42:35right?
42:35Whether it
42:35is you're
42:36ignorant,
42:36whether it
42:37is you're
42:37well-read,
42:38whether it
42:38is,
42:39express
42:39yourself.
42:40I
42:40express
42:41myself,
42:41you express
42:42yourself,
42:42and then it
42:43gives both
42:44of us the
42:44opportunity to
42:46be our
42:46true selves.
42:47Only if
42:47you want
42:48to be.
42:49So now I
42:50want you
42:51to,
42:51because I
42:53know we
42:53speak about
42:53the tiptoeing,
42:54and you
42:55just said
42:55something that
42:56people are
42:57afraid to
42:58express
42:58themselves for
42:59fear of
43:00being
43:00cancelled,
43:01right?
43:01And the
43:01majority of
43:02cancelling
43:03comes through
43:04social media,
43:05right?
43:06With the
43:06advent of
43:07social media,
43:07that's why
43:07it's more
43:08prevalent now
43:10than it was
43:10ever.
43:12The irony
43:13is that
43:14even the
43:15people who
43:15are cancelling
43:16you or
43:17being part of
43:19that cancelled
43:19culture,
43:20as we go
43:21down in
43:21terms of
43:22where they
43:22see thousands
43:23of comments,
43:24when you
43:24look at
43:25those,
43:26most of
43:26them are
43:26bots or
43:27fake accounts.
43:29So they
43:30themselves can't
43:31even be
43:31authentic.
43:32They are free to
43:33be cancelled
43:34by what they
43:35say.
43:36You understand
43:37depth to
43:39that?
43:39I want to
43:40say this
43:40thing.
43:40It's not
43:41real.
43:41But yet
43:43still people
43:45will still
43:46take it
43:46on because
43:46a sponsor,
43:47for example,
43:48coming on
43:48board,
43:49even though
43:49you really
43:50have to dig
43:51deep sometimes
43:52and stay
43:52behind your
43:53athlete to
43:54see if you
43:55could ride
43:55because you
43:56mentioned it.
43:56Sometimes you
43:57can ride the
43:58storm.
43:58They have
43:59people that
43:59say they
44:00understand it's
44:00three days
44:01on news or
44:01seven days
44:02on news.
44:02And they
44:03say,
44:03listen,
44:03after three
44:03days,
44:04nobody's
44:04going to be
44:04talking about
44:05this.
44:05And other
44:06things that
44:06would live
44:07on.
44:07Like the
44:09Budweiser and
44:10things that
44:10you see in
44:11the states.
44:12You could
44:13lose millions
44:14of dollars in
44:15sales and
44:16sometimes bounce
44:17back and
44:17other times
44:17you never
44:18recover.
44:19And you're
44:20not recovering
44:20from people
44:21who sit in
44:23their small
44:23spaces,
44:25in their
44:26depressed
44:27lives for
44:27whatever reason
44:28and can't
44:29even be
44:29authentic
44:30within
44:30themselves to
44:31come out
44:31and make
44:32a state
44:32but not
44:32looking for
44:33that affirmation
44:34or assurances
44:35from somebody
44:36else.
44:36and say,
44:38you know,
44:38I agree
44:39with you
44:39but make
44:40the statement
44:41first and
44:41not wait
44:42to say,
44:43okay,
44:43well,
44:44let me like
44:45that or push
44:46it from a
44:47perspective of
44:48this is my
44:49fake account.
44:50You're being
44:50fake yourself.
44:51Correct.
44:52They're hiding
44:52behind anonymity
44:53because it's
44:54easier to say
44:55out of time
44:56and things
44:56and you're
44:57throwing rocks
44:57at someone
44:58who had the
45:00bravery,
45:00even though he
45:00said something
45:01out of time
45:01in the bravery
45:03table to
45:03express themselves
45:04in a certain
45:05way.
45:05And again,
45:06back to
45:06something
45:09Johansi said
45:10that I
45:11can't remember
45:12yet.
45:12He said
45:12that when
45:15you say
45:16something,
45:16you have
45:17the opportunity
45:17for you to
45:18learn something.
45:19Most people
45:20don't want to
45:20learn anything
45:21new.
45:21And that is
45:23fine.
45:23That is fine
45:25you know
45:25because
45:26you have
45:28yes,
45:29I've seen
45:30you have
45:30to be
45:31you have
45:32to be
45:32all of us
45:33and as
45:34men.
45:34You have
45:35to be
45:35your authentic
45:36self.
45:36You have
45:37many people
45:37who wouldn't
45:37like it.
45:38He's a hero
45:39and he's a
45:40villain in
45:40somebody's
45:41story.
45:41Right?
45:42If you want
45:43to live a
45:43life of
45:43fulfillment,
45:44you have
45:45to speak
45:45your mind
45:45no matter
45:46what going
45:47on.
45:47And I
45:48know that
45:48is easier
45:48said than
45:49it's not
45:51easy for
45:52me.
45:52You could
45:52keep
45:53a
45:53still
45:53turn
45:53once
45:54is not
45:54fair.
45:55Once
45:55is not
45:55fair.
45:56Because
45:56they have
45:56wisdom
45:57in keeping
45:57a still
45:58turn.
45:58So I
45:58agree
45:58with
45:59you.
45:59Right?
45:59But anytime
46:00you come
46:00in from
46:01a place
46:01of
46:01fear,
46:02there's
46:02a
46:02problem.
46:03Because
46:03we also
46:04give
46:04social
46:05media
46:05too
46:05much
46:05power.
46:07Because
46:07let me
46:08tell you
46:08something.
46:08I remember
46:09doing some
46:10campaigns and
46:10doing some
46:11advertisements.
46:11And I
46:11remember
46:12sometimes
46:13the comments
46:13people give.
46:14I remember
46:14once I put
46:15out
46:15exam anxiety
46:17to reduce
46:18exam anxiety
46:19program.
46:20It was a
46:20month
46:20program.
46:21And people
46:21say it's
46:22too expensive
46:22too expensive.
46:22I remember
46:23I get the
46:23majority of
46:24commercials
46:24too expensive.
46:25But then I
46:26get a lot
46:26of people
46:27call and
46:27say I
46:28want the
46:28program.
46:29I want
46:29the
46:29program.
46:29I want
46:30the
46:30program.
46:30So the
46:31social media
46:32had nothing
46:32to do with
46:33what actually
46:34happened.
46:35If you
46:35understand what
46:36I'm saying.
46:36So even if
46:37somebody say
46:37a statement,
46:38everybody say
46:38this man
46:39thing,
46:39this woman
46:39thing,
46:40that guy
46:40on.
46:41In the real
46:43world,
46:44you don't
46:44have this
46:44person really
46:45getting
46:45through.
46:46So that's
46:46why I'm
46:47saying one
46:48as men,
46:49two as
46:49people is
46:49important to
46:51be yourself
46:51and it's a
46:53good test.
46:54Because if
46:54people start
46:55hitting the
46:55comments,
46:56it will
46:56test to see
46:58if you
46:58really could
46:59stand up
46:59with your
46:59chest.
47:00So that's
47:00why I'm
47:00saying yes
47:01I understand
47:02about
47:02cancer,
47:03but I
47:03say it's
47:03a good
47:03thing.
47:04It's a
47:04good
47:04thing.
47:05So we
47:06come to
47:07that part
47:07of the
47:07show.
47:09And I
47:10will kick
47:11things off
47:11in saying
47:12simply,
47:13you know,
47:13my grandmother,
47:14you know,
47:14old people,
47:15we talk about
47:15wisdom,
47:16and keeping
47:16a still
47:16tongue,
47:17we say
47:17put your
47:17brain in
47:18gear before
47:18you put
47:18your mouth
47:19in motion.
47:20So you
47:21don't always
47:22have to say
47:23what's on
47:23your mind
47:23for fear
47:25of being
47:27cancelled or
47:28for fear of
47:29being ridiculed.
47:30You know,
47:30you could
47:31simply keep
47:31a still
47:32tongue and
47:32sometimes
47:32listening.
47:34You know,
47:35they also
47:36say talk
47:36and repeat
47:36yourself,
47:37listen and
47:37learn something.
47:38And the
47:39more you
47:39listen,
47:39the more
47:40you learn
47:40in certain
47:41circumstances.
47:42And I
47:44would say,
47:45you know,
47:45when you
47:46say about
47:46fear of
47:47being,
47:47fear of
47:48certain things
47:48happening,
47:49you want to
47:50say,
47:50guys,
47:50we sit
47:51down on
47:51this show
47:51every week
47:52and say
47:53things that
47:54people out
47:55there are
47:55probably going,
47:56we're talking
47:57about,
47:57what do you
47:58know about
47:58that?
47:58You understand?
47:59And have
48:01no idea
48:02about my
48:02background,
48:03no idea
48:04what I've
48:04gone through,
48:04but are
48:05there making
48:06attacks on
48:07all of us
48:07and the
48:07show,
48:08right,
48:08with regards
48:09to,
48:10and the
48:10truth is,
48:11are we still
48:13here every
48:13week?
48:13Correct.
48:14We are still
48:14here because
48:15we know
48:16why we're
48:17here in the
48:17first place.
48:18And I think
48:18that is where
48:19you have to
48:20start from.
48:21You have to
48:21tell yourself,
48:22what is the
48:23reason?
48:24What is my
48:24purpose?
48:25What is my
48:26driving force?
48:27And once you
48:28can start from
48:28there knowing
48:29what you're
48:29saying,
48:30you have to be
48:31prepared for the
48:32repercussions.
48:33But if you
48:33know what
48:34you're saying
48:35is coming from
48:35a pure
48:36place,
48:36and a pure
48:38heart,
48:38then it
48:38doesn't matter
48:39because regardless
48:41of the
48:41repercussions,
48:42you know the
48:43reason why you
48:44said it.
48:44Otherwise,
48:45shut your
48:45a**.
48:46Facts.
48:47You know?
48:47But if you're
48:48looking to say
48:49something,
48:50put that brain
48:51in gear before
48:51you put your
48:52mouth in
48:52motion and
48:53once you
48:54start,
48:54be prepared
48:55to continue
48:56and to
48:57stand behind
48:58it regardless
48:59of the
49:00naysayers.
49:01Because you
49:01know what?
49:02Opinions are
49:03like a**.
49:04Everybody have
49:05one and they
49:06will continue
49:07to say certain
49:07things.
49:08This show is
49:09still around.
49:10This show is
49:11still around
49:11because we
49:12know why we
49:13started this
49:13show, to be
49:14better as
49:14brothers and
49:15to make a
49:16positive change
49:17and impact
49:17into both
49:18male and
49:19female lives.
49:20And we
49:20continue to do
49:21that week
49:21in week
49:21out.
49:22Correct.
49:23I'm happy
49:25enough.
49:27You look
49:28happy.
49:28This show
49:30helped me
49:31challenge
49:32myself as
49:32a man.
49:33Because one,
49:35to speak
49:35my mind,
49:36to be more
49:37authentic
49:37self, and
49:38then two,
49:39the repercussions
49:39of it.
49:40And it
49:41helped even
49:41shape me
49:42because a
49:42man is
49:43supposed to
49:43be able to
49:43stand up
49:44on his
49:45word,
49:45whatever
49:45you say.
49:46Right?
49:47If I say
49:48I'm going to
49:48provide for
49:49my family,
49:50I have to
49:50stand up
49:50on my
49:51word.
49:51If I
49:51say I'm
49:52going to
49:52become
49:53better,
49:53if I'm
49:53going to
49:53study,
49:54I have to
49:54stand up
49:54on my
49:55word.
49:55And it
49:56will,
49:57not even
49:57me,
49:58it will
49:58have
49:58naysayers.
49:59It will
49:59have people
50:00who don't
50:00like what
50:01you're
50:01doing.
50:01It will
50:01have people
50:01who put
50:02you in
50:02a box
50:02and think
50:03you should
50:03only be
50:04doing this
50:04or you
50:04should be
50:05doing this.
50:06And it's
50:06a good
50:07test because
50:08a man
50:09is only
50:11as good
50:12as his
50:12word.
50:13So think
50:14about it
50:15before you
50:15speak,
50:17but once
50:17you speak,
50:18stand up
50:19on it,
50:19no matter
50:20what the
50:21repercussion
50:22is.
50:22Stand for
50:22something or
50:23fall for
50:23everything.
50:24Correct.
50:25Final words,
50:25final thoughts?
50:28This was
50:28great.
50:30It was a
50:31great,
50:31great
50:31conversation
50:32and I
50:34agree with
50:34so much
50:34what both
50:35of you
50:35all said.
50:36They really
50:36say what
50:37I had to
50:37say.
50:40I really
50:41believe in
50:42that I
50:43don't
50:43look into
50:44that affect
50:44anybody
50:45just out
50:47of any
50:47maliciousness
50:48or anything
50:48so that
50:49I'll say
50:49the tiptoeing
50:50is not
50:51tiptoeing.
50:52It's not
50:53necessary.
50:54It's not
50:54necessary for
50:55this beef.
50:55It's not
50:55necessary to
50:56hurt anybody
50:57at this
50:58point.
50:59But if
50:59I'm in a
51:00place where
51:00I need to
51:01say what
51:01I need
51:02to say,
51:03it has
51:03to come
51:04out.
51:04Stand on
51:05your own
51:06just as
51:06a man.
51:08But this
51:10was just
51:10lovely.
51:10This was
51:11a good
51:11vibe I
51:11think.
51:12I would
51:12like to
51:12come
51:13back.
51:13Yeah,
51:14it
51:14will.
51:15I would
51:15love to
51:15have you
51:15back.
51:16And for
51:16me,
51:16final word
51:17for me
51:17is I
51:18actually
51:19really
51:19appreciate
51:20this because
51:21I get a
51:22lot of
51:22as a
51:22provocateur,
51:24I get a
51:24lot of
51:25flack
51:26Instagram
51:27messages,
51:28even the
51:29things that
51:29are said
51:29on the
51:30page when
51:30we post
51:31our little
51:31clips.
51:31I see
51:33some of
51:34the comments
51:34and even
51:35though at
51:36times I
51:37could be
51:37like,
51:37well,
51:38they clearly
51:38didn't watch
51:39the show
51:39or listen
51:40to the
51:40full scope
51:41of what
51:41I said.
51:42It just
51:42took the
51:42blurb,
51:43as you
51:44said.
51:45I still
51:46enjoy the
51:48fact that
51:49the
51:50conversation
51:51was started,
51:53which is
51:53where I
51:54come in,
51:54which is
51:55where I'm
51:55happy with.
51:55Once people
51:56question in
51:57certain things,
51:58regardless if
51:59you're angry
51:59or not,
52:00question it,
52:02talk to your
52:03friend about
52:03it,
52:03and maybe
52:04your friend
52:04might have
52:05a different
52:05opinion to
52:06you,
52:06and now
52:07you're having
52:07a new
52:08conversation
52:08that I
52:09would have
52:10been the
52:10catalyst
52:10for,
52:11and that's
52:12what makes
52:12me rest
52:13at night.
52:15The thing is,
52:16Niall,
52:16when those
52:17comments,
52:17and we've
52:18seen what
52:18people feel,
52:19it's topics,
52:20because we get
52:21to know what
52:21people feel,
52:22what is the
52:22pulse,
52:23what's on
52:24the ground,
52:24and we come
52:25and we talk
52:25about it here,
52:26and what we
52:27always say,
52:28we're not
52:28trying,
52:28we're not
52:29saying that
52:29we're speaking
52:30on behalf
52:31of all men,
52:32we're just
52:32speaking to
52:33all men,
52:34we are few
52:34men.
52:34Some men
52:35speaking to
52:36all,
52:37and listen,
52:38listen,
52:40the truth is
52:41sometimes,
52:41yeah,
52:41all these
52:42comments,
52:42but the
52:43reality of
52:43it,
52:44because even
52:44from manhood,
52:46the word in
52:47street people
52:47come up to
52:48me all the
52:48time and
52:49say they
52:49enjoy the
52:50show,
52:50and mostly
52:51women,
52:52they enjoy
52:53the show,
52:54they didn't
52:54know this,
52:54they learned
52:55this about
52:55their brother,
52:56their father,
52:57and then,
52:57somebody said,
52:58once they
52:59turned to
52:59the husband
53:00and said,
53:01you really
53:01think this?
53:01And he was
53:02like,
53:02yeah,
53:03and you're
53:03no longer
53:03trying to
53:04tell you
53:04this,
53:05right?
53:05And she
53:06was like,
53:06you know,
53:07she's sorry
53:07because she
53:08had to hear it
53:08from somebody
53:09else.
53:09So I just
53:10give in,
53:11a lot of
53:11times when
53:12people speak
53:12in the truth,
53:13you speak in
53:14your truth,
53:14your truth,
53:15my truth,
53:16your truth,
53:16it may be
53:17even different.
53:18And conflict,
53:19conflict is a
53:20healthy thing,
53:21you know,
53:21because it gives
53:22us information.
53:23If we didn't
53:24have a difference
53:24of opinion,
53:25I wouldn't learn
53:26something and you
53:28interested in
53:29learning,
53:31you'll go
53:31anonymous and
53:32just say,
53:33say,
53:34say,
53:34cancel culture,
53:37this show is
53:38still here.
53:39You know,
53:39we're going to
53:39continue to talk
53:40about the things
53:40that need to be
53:41talked about and
53:43we're aiming for
53:44that positive
53:44change.
53:45So think about
53:46what you're doing,
53:47think about what
53:47you're doing
53:48before you do it.
53:49You know,
53:50put your brain
53:50in gear,
53:51before you put
53:51your mouth in
53:52motion and
53:53before you start
53:53typing because
53:54you're impacting
53:55somebody else and
53:56ask yourself,
53:57are you impacting
53:57positively or
53:58negatively?
53:59Are you being
54:00the change that
54:01you want to
54:01see or you're
54:02crying out to
54:03see?
54:04This is
54:04Manhood,
54:05Johanse,
54:06Kareem,
54:07Niall.
54:10Thanks for
54:10joining us.
54:10Thanks for
54:11having me.
54:15Manhood,
54:16brought to you
54:17in part by
54:17Reboot Sports
54:18Drink.