Is being Bad Mind negative or positive?
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00:00:00Manhood, brought to you in part by Reboot Sports Drink.
00:00:09Welcome once again to another conversation of manhood.
00:00:13Now, as we always say, we are not speaking on behalf of all men.
00:00:18We are a few men speaking to every man, woman, child, anyone who's willing to listen.
00:00:24So today's topic, bad mind.
00:00:26And when you hear bad mind initially, you think, yeah, well, that's a negative.
00:00:30But bad mind's also a positive thing.
00:00:32It's how you push forward.
00:00:33It's our determination to get where you need to get.
00:00:36And that, my friends, my colleagues, my family, is all seen as a positive.
00:00:43But we're here to discuss the topic in its entirety.
00:00:46And to do that, to my right, as always, Johanse, IODK, behavior change consultant.
00:00:53I don't know why I was smirk when I say that.
00:00:55You're like, yeah, that's my boy, that's my boy, that's my boy, right?
00:00:58And I always say that.
00:01:00And I hope I know, everyone would know that the little tongue-in-cheek is all in jest.
00:01:07It's all part of it.
00:01:09And more importantly, it's all in love, you know, because we are better as brothers.
00:01:13And Johanse has certainly made me better in my life and what I want to do and where I want to get to and become.
00:01:21So, to his right, Tian Watson, another really good friend, Cool Blue co-founder, and the epitome of what I would call bad mind in the positive sense.
00:01:35Okay.
00:01:35Now, as a friend, of course, I know the negative sides as well.
00:01:38But with it, you know, the epitome of bad mind in the positive sense is Tian.
00:01:43And we'll hear more about that, you know, as we go along.
00:01:46So, Cool Blue founder, we'll talk about.
00:01:48Co-founder.
00:01:49Co-founder.
00:01:49Co-founder.
00:01:50My apologies.
00:01:51Cool Blue co-founder, who, you know, he does rappelling, adventure racing.
00:01:55Yes, all of that does happen here in Trinidad and Tobago.
00:01:58Serious.
00:01:58And we have, you know, a thriving ecotourism industry.
00:02:02And you should check it out.
00:02:04We'll certainly have the handle at the end of the show or during the show.
00:02:07I don't know.
00:02:08Up to the editor.
00:02:09And the one and only Vibes God himself.
00:02:12Kind of like in our name.
00:02:13Yeah, Vibes God.
00:02:13Yeah, I know it is.
00:02:15Yeah.
00:02:15So, Niall.
00:02:16Niall McNish.
00:02:17Producer, media personality, influencer, and also a friend.
00:02:22Oh, I like this.
00:02:23I like that.
00:02:23Yeah, a lot of titles there.
00:02:25But, of course, for editing purposes, we just put one.
00:02:27That's right.
00:02:27That's right.
00:02:28That's right.
00:02:29So, bad mind.
00:02:30Bad mind.
00:02:30Let's get straight into it.
00:02:32So, bad mind.
00:02:33Is that a negative or a positive?
00:02:34Well, bad mind, I mean, again, we just generally talk and what we think of it.
00:02:37Because before I said it's a negative and a positive, when someone heard the topic, they
00:02:41might initially think, wow, well, you know, that's to them a negative.
00:02:43So, what we hear, as always happens, and I always say it, at the end, how I come in
00:02:49is not how I leave.
00:02:50All right.
00:02:50So, I know, I mean, again, because of hearing people talking about it or going along in life,
00:02:56you always, you know, you hear bad mind in the sense of, well, you're a real bad mind
00:03:00boy, like how he'd give someone silent treatment for, you know, a week.
00:03:05Or bad mind in terms of, you know, you have a vendetta, you own vengeance on somebody.
00:03:10Or bad mind meaning, hey, you know what?
00:03:12That man had a broken foot or broken ankle, and he pushed through that entire race.
00:03:17You know, that in itself is a level of bad mind.
00:03:20So, really and truly, there's no right or wrong answer to what you perceive as bad mind,
00:03:25but we're here to discuss it.
00:03:26Got you.
00:03:26Well, let me start with what I think is a negative.
00:03:29So, literal meaning of bad meaning is the opposite of good, and mind meaning your mind
00:03:35what you're thinking.
00:03:36I have a lot of people who will see you or anybody and, let's say, first be jealous of
00:03:42you, be envious of you.
00:03:45And that could be the first instance of bad mind.
00:03:48And sometimes you don't even know that somebody have these feelings towards you, and it might
00:03:53be somebody in a close quarters.
00:03:54And that is an interesting thing, because we as men, sometimes we don't think that there
00:04:02are people or snakes in a camp.
00:04:05Sometimes we think of, like, gossip and bad mind, and it's jealous as a female thing.
00:04:11Like, women just be cattive with each other, gossiping.
00:04:13But the truth is that men also experience that.
00:04:17And it is interesting to me because most times, now, again, I'm speaking from a male
00:04:23point of view, most times is when we as men see an insecurity or a shortcoming in ourselves
00:04:32that we see somebody else excelling in, and we might not even be angry at them, you know,
00:04:38but it's a reflection of what we're supposed to be doing or should be doing.
00:04:41And then we exude negativity towards them.
00:04:46We project, it's projecting.
00:04:48Envy is jealousy.
00:04:49But we don't always recognize it as envy and jealousy.
00:04:51We just, at that moment, think, I don't like that person.
00:04:55What you're really doing is, in a mirror, you're looking and seeing, like, you see someone
00:04:57fat, right?
00:04:59And because you either know you don't want to be fat, you have a fear, so you have a fear
00:05:04of becoming fat, you were fat, or you are fat.
00:05:07And therefore, you look at that person, you don't want that around you.
00:05:10But you're not realizing that, hey, that's a, as someone once told me, that's a, is
00:05:14you, that's a, is me.
00:05:16Right.
00:05:16You know, so.
00:05:18And really understanding that could help us manage our relationships as men, as people
00:05:23in general, but as men, because I think it's healthy for men to challenge each other.
00:05:30I think it's healthy for men to even, as you were saying, the banter we have is not to
00:05:34bring down, but to build up.
00:05:36Once I read somewhere, I mean, I don't know how true it is that the original form of the
00:05:41Olympics were competing nations, competing villages against each other, and whoever was
00:05:46the best at a certain event would now go and teach the others.
00:05:50So it wasn't, well, I better than you, or looking down on you, versus we establish you
00:05:55are the best.
00:05:56I just gave an example.
00:05:57Cook, runner, climber, et cetera.
00:05:59And then, all right, you now come and teach everyone, but to be able to recognize that
00:06:04and know, well, instead of saying, oh, God, boy, well, look at him with his blue socks.
00:06:08I wish, you know, long I wanted the blue socks, but go, go away with that blue socks.
00:06:11And instead of that, we actually say, you know what, I respect, he had the courage to buy
00:06:17his blue socks.
00:06:18You know what?
00:06:18Let me ask him, well, what was the inspiration, et cetera, et cetera.
00:06:21Yeah, yeah.
00:06:22Obeyed.
00:06:23Oachieving a beard.
00:06:23So, can I challenge the fact, because when Robert, when you said that bad mind have a
00:06:29good, you know, spin to it, right?
00:06:32I was like, is it actually good when you run, you broke your foot, you're actually injuring
00:06:38yourself more?
00:06:39So my question is, why you are now, you're putting aside your personal, you know, safety,
00:06:47comfort.
00:06:49Is it for the accolades of others?
00:06:52It's the reasoning for you putting yourself through that issue.
00:06:57You know, like, is your bad mind actually good for you?
00:07:02So, let me, you know what I'm saying?
00:07:04That, again, we haven't even reached the end of the show, and you've already given me
00:07:07another perspective.
00:07:08So, again, within that bad mind, so therefore, there's a third, there's a third factor, you
00:07:13know?
00:07:13So, the, you have, I said bad is, bad mind is either good or bad.
00:07:18Now, let me just mention that it's a trinny thing that we call things the opposite.
00:07:25So, something say, you see, that's sick, you know?
00:07:28Or that bad.
00:07:29Or, you know, or you're the, you know, or all these other things.
00:07:31It's always, it's always somehow it's the opposite, right?
00:07:33Just like how when we talk.
00:07:35Before we go on, I think we could do a whole other topic.
00:07:37And we will.
00:07:37I spoke about how negative we are, something, you know, I'll speak about the next topic.
00:07:41And remember, I was speaking to you about that, that that is a topic that we're hopefully
00:07:45going to film next week, you know, or next show, with regards to tearing people down
00:07:51and our s*** up culture, and somehow we find that funny, right?
00:07:56And it is, but sometimes when you receive it, are you really, are you finding it funny
00:08:00because you feel you're fitting in, or do you actually find it funny?
00:08:03But again, we digress.
00:08:06So, there are three types of bad mind now that you've brought it up, where there's one bad
00:08:11mind being a negative thing, bad mind being a positive thing.
00:08:14And now we have that in between part of it that really is not, I wouldn't put it into,
00:08:23you know, I wouldn't mention it as another alternative.
00:08:26It's simply because it can then, there, subject to interpretation, be a negative or positive.
00:08:31Because at that point, it could be, well, you know, insecurity.
00:08:34It could be, what is, what is, what is, a negative and a positive.
00:08:38So, I look at that as negative.
00:08:40No, but let me, let me, let me, let me, so, for example, when my dad was alive,
00:08:46we were raising money for his treatment.
00:08:49And I did a marathon.
00:08:51I've never done a marathon before.
00:08:52And I, I somewhat trained for it.
00:08:56And the, on the day, and Tian was there, a rider alongside me.
00:09:01I mean, he flaked at the end in terms of what his duties were supposed to be,
00:09:05which was to be there for gel hunting for me.
00:09:07We decided to play, you know what?
00:09:09I want to help everybody and ride forward and deal with other people.
00:09:12But in the initial, in the initial part, eight miles in, I told him, I said,
00:09:19I cramp in, and I couldn't understand it because I trained for at least 20 miles
00:09:25before anything would happen.
00:09:28And so, to cramp at that, at eight miles in, threw me off entirely.
00:09:32Because I was like, okay, well, I trained for this thing.
00:09:34So, on the day with adrenaline, with the team, with the environment, everything,
00:09:38I was going to ace this thing, 26.2 miles.
00:09:41You go from Freeport in Mary's Junction all the way to Whitehall.
00:09:44Wow.
00:09:44By the time I got to Shogonus, Tian, his mom, everyone was spraying up my leg,
00:09:51using all the different things that I would expect closer to 24 miles when the sun was out.
00:09:56This is like 3 o'clock in the morning.
00:09:58Right.
00:09:59So, that mental to then push through with already going through that pain at eight miles in,
00:10:06still having to hit Karen, he still had to go cure at Barataria, Twin Towers, into Whitehall.
00:10:11All that was in my mind at that point was, I had to finish because people sponsor after 20 miles.
00:10:18Okay.
00:10:18And I knew that my dad had made the effort to get off the bed and find himself at the finishing line.
00:10:24So, all I was telling myself is, you have to get there.
00:10:28I was literally inside, crying in pain.
00:10:31Mm-hmm.
00:10:31Right?
00:10:32You start to, you know, even though you're trying to take, you're trying to urinate, right?
00:10:37You're half of it just end up on you because you're moving, sun beating you down.
00:10:41You know, you're about six, about four hours by this time into a race.
00:10:45And the only thing is, I have to get there.
00:10:48I have to get there.
00:10:49So, the reason I'm bringing that story is to say that there was no, there was no negative at that point,
00:10:57even though I was injuring myself.
00:10:59Mm-hmm.
00:10:59Right?
00:11:00I remember Minister Clance Rambra to that point coming alongside and giving me some Gova juice.
00:11:05A lot of people were helping, even going through the Beatham area.
00:11:08They would give me water.
00:11:09All sorts of things were happening.
00:11:11But I was going through so much pain.
00:11:13I could have stopped.
00:11:15I was injuring myself.
00:11:16Mm-hmm.
00:11:16But it was for a reason.
00:11:18Mm-hmm.
00:11:18But the reason wasn't yours.
00:11:19The reason wasn't mine, but it was a good reason.
00:11:21So, in this case, it wasn't vanity.
00:11:23It wasn't for my own kudos.
00:11:25It wasn't anything with regards to me.
00:11:27It was doing it for something good, which is why I'm saying to you that there's that in between.
00:11:32I think the three definitions or three perspectives, outlooks, they're all valid.
00:11:39It could be a negative thing, yes.
00:11:42It depends on how you channel the energy, whether you are using it to hold a grudge or hold resentment towards a person
00:11:49or towards an institute, whatever the case might be.
00:11:51It could also be a positive in terms of you use it to channel to achieve something good or a personal objective or for a cause.
00:12:01Or it could be what I want to deem a gray area where it depends wholly on the level of passion that you have for whatever that cause might be.
00:12:12And the cause could be personal vanity, kudos, or it could be like the soldiers in Ukraine, passionate about defending their country.
00:12:22Some of them leaving, knowing fully well, high chance they might not see their family again.
00:12:27That's not an injured, a broken leg making it worse.
00:12:31That's life.
00:12:33They put their life on the line.
00:12:34Yeah, coming back or not coming back.
00:12:35Their passion is their country and they will fight fiercely for it.
00:12:40So that's, I mean, who's to say?
00:12:43So let me put this into context.
00:12:45It's like climbing Mount Everest maybe.
00:12:47That's a health.
00:12:49You put in it at risk, right?
00:12:51But your level of passion for that initiative, bad mind, to each his own, whatever that case might be.
00:12:58You know, some people are passionate about whatever and it's to probably perhaps do with the stage they are in their life.
00:13:07You know, they might be.
00:13:07So stick up in a nut.
00:13:08Stick up in a nut.
00:13:09I wanted to get some context here.
00:13:11So Tian recently did what is known as an ice ultra marathon.
00:13:16What is that?
00:13:17An ice, an ultra marathon is basically consecutive days completing a marathon course, right?
00:13:25So in this case, over five days, traversing up to 230 kilometers, put that into Maya, 230 kilometers.
00:13:36So not only did he go from nice, sunny Trinidad and Tobago, it was done in the Sweden Lapland.
00:13:43So where most people say, hey, I'm going to see Santa Claus, right?
00:13:46Or going to see the Northern Lights.
00:13:48It's only snow.
00:13:49So there's not even, you know, one, there's nothing, you know, there's practically nothing out there.
00:13:57So the only thing in that case is I have to complete this course.
00:14:01You're going from, you're leaving at night, probably coming back at night because the daylight hours are probably a lot shorter.
00:14:08And so this to me, in the positive sense, is the epitome of bad mind.
00:14:13But as Niall mentioned, there's also another factor in there as to, I'm looking at it like, wow, that's really inspirational.
00:14:19But I want to ask you, what was your real reason for doing that?
00:14:25Yeah.
00:14:25You turn in midlife crisis, you decide, hey, I want to be the first to do it in Trinidad and Tobago.
00:14:31Let me set this scene, though.
00:14:33I'm assuming it's cold, of course, right?
00:14:35What was the temperature like?
00:14:38Coldest we got during the event, negative 30.
00:14:41Wild.
00:14:41The fact that it started with negative, right?
00:14:43So he was running the bubble jacket.
00:14:46So that was working.
00:14:47Yeah.
00:14:48Warmest we got was negative eight.
00:14:49That was on the last day.
00:14:51So that's really warmest.
00:14:53This is the warmest.
00:14:55Celsius.
00:14:56And let me tell our viewers and listeners out there, let me go further.
00:15:00Let me go further.
00:15:01How you start, and this is not in a philosophical way.
00:15:05This is literally how you start is how you have to finish.
00:15:08So if you start with a pair of shoes, what food, all of these different things, you have
00:15:11to carry your own stuff from the start to the finish.
00:15:15So I think there was one guy that was leading the pack, and he got blisters on the first
00:15:21day, so needed to change his shoes.
00:15:23And as a result of that, he was given an eight-hour penalty and then finished way down
00:15:27in the pack, right?
00:15:28But it wasn't because he still wasn't fit, it was simply because, hey, I had now changed
00:15:32my shoes.
00:15:33So, and in his case, he didn't do that.
00:15:35So from start to finish, same equipment, food, everything.
00:15:38So you had to run with your cheese paste sandwiches in your bag, though?
00:15:41What was the question?
00:15:43My motivation.
00:15:43Why?
00:15:44Like, why?
00:15:44Like, I mean, I think a lot of trade audience here, Trimigo, is listening now, like, why
00:15:50would you do that to yourself?
00:15:51A couple things that influence the decision.
00:15:55Some personal, some, you know.
00:15:58Well, this is a show we share personal, huh?
00:15:59Okay, so on a personal note, I just wanted to, I'm not necessarily a runner in terms
00:16:07of I wouldn't train all year round to execute marathons and 10Ks and 15Ks.
00:16:11Yes, I can do them.
00:16:12I could do them comfortably.
00:16:14I used to run, yes, but, you know, I like to spread my wings, dabble in a lot of other
00:16:19sports.
00:16:20But long story short, I like the ultras.
00:16:23So just to expand Robert's definition of an ultra a little bit, you have ultra, which
00:16:29is anything over a conventional marathon.
00:16:33All right.
00:16:3422K?
00:16:3522K.
00:16:3640K.
00:16:36Okay.
00:16:36So if I do 41K, that's an ultra.
00:16:39Gotcha.
00:16:40Following.
00:16:40Didn't know that.
00:16:41On the extreme end of ultras, you have multi-staged ultras.
00:16:45Right.
00:16:46My attraction is multi-stage ultras in terrain.
00:16:49So not just multi-stage running from Chaguanus to Y2.
00:16:55On the street.
00:16:57Too easy.
00:16:57Too easy.
00:16:58Not too easy.
00:16:59Not too easy.
00:16:59But I like to dabble with terrain and challenge myself against terrain as opposed to trying
00:17:07to beat you in an event.
00:17:09Gotcha.
00:17:09Right.
00:17:10Right.
00:17:10So what was the bad mind in that?
00:17:12So back to your inspiration, the bad mind moment to say, yo, I go into, I like ultras.
00:17:20And I like multi-day, multi-day, multi-terrain ultras on top of that.
00:17:25Right.
00:17:26Yeah.
00:17:26Where your mentality was going for that and why?
00:17:30Okay.
00:17:30So just to go further into some of the motivation, so that's on a personal thing, I wanted to
00:17:36do ultras.
00:17:37I've done, as Robert mentioned, I've done a jungle ultra, which is five days in the Amazon.
00:17:43Wow.
00:17:44I placed okay in that I came 10th overall, but I'm familiar with the terrain.
00:17:50Okay.
00:17:51And, you know, being involved with Cool Blue and stuff, Cool Blue Adventures, we always dabble
00:17:55in it.
00:17:55The humidity and stuff in the Amazon is comparable, not the same, but comparable.
00:18:03The hazards are the same.
00:18:05So ability to navigate the hazards and stuff, comparable to the terrain.
00:18:09Except for a jaguar.
00:18:11Except for the jaguars.
00:18:13But you do have, so in terms of, for example, the Europeans who were in that event were actually
00:18:24like scared, just as how I was pensive going into the, the ice.
00:18:27Jungle, right.
00:18:28And I was like, hmm, it's not really that scary.
00:18:31But they respect the jungle, they respect the humidity.
00:18:34They also, so on the other extreme of ultras, so they have all types of terrain, mountain
00:18:39ultra, Scottish Highlands, desert ultra.
00:18:43For me, the jungle was deemed the most difficult, and the ice is also deemed unrespected on the
00:18:52other end of the extreme.
00:18:54But because there's so much prep going into these events to do, unless you sponsor, though,
00:19:00that's what you do.
00:19:02And the guys on the international circuit, that's, they just go around sort of racing.
00:19:07The world is doing different things.
00:19:09My take on it is if I could do the jungle and then do the ice, I could do everything in
00:19:13between.
00:19:13So I wanted to challenge.
00:19:14And yes, I was intimidated by, by it.
00:19:16I was no, I didn't know exactly what terrain you're going into, what to expect.
00:19:20Yes.
00:19:21But on a personal note, I wanted to challenge myself with that.
00:19:25Yes, there's the other elements of it.
00:19:27But I wanted to be the first Caribbean, first Trini, to execute something like that.
00:19:34That's very bad.
00:19:35That's very bad.
00:19:35That's a ego part, though.
00:19:37I want to be the first.
00:19:38I want to be the first.
00:19:39I want to ban it to all these other countries.
00:19:42I really want to cut you.
00:19:44We need to go to a break.
00:19:47We need to go to a break.
00:19:49People need a beer.
00:19:50There are factors less superficial than that that I will get into.
00:19:54But we'll get into it, because I'm sure we want to hear a lot more about that.
00:19:56And then stick on to the bad mind.
00:19:58So, we take a short break.
00:20:00We're talking about bad mind.
00:20:11Welcome back to Manhood.
00:20:13And as always, we are a few men talking to all men, anyone that would listen.
00:20:18And the topic is bad mind.
00:20:20Johanse, Tian, Niall.
00:20:22So, before we went to the break, we always have our conversations in between that, and we always promised that we'd share them with you.
00:20:30So, let's be real.
00:20:31We spoke about bad mind being good, bad, and there's a gray area in between.
00:20:36So, we are seeing some of it.
00:20:38Tian confessed himself.
00:20:40Confessed.
00:20:41A big part of that was what we know as ego.
00:20:43Nah, I wouldn't say confess.
00:20:45And that's fine, because what drives you is to be able to achieve.
00:20:52There are people that want to be the best.
00:20:54Usain Bolt wanted to be the fastest runner.
00:20:57And I still look at it.
00:20:58There's nothing bad about that.
00:21:00Right.
00:21:00But it's just an admission that it's not all about, hey, I'm doing this for a greater good, but it's also personal achievement, which he's done.
00:21:11It's a greater good.
00:21:12It's a greater good of yourself.
00:21:14And he is the first that I know of in the Caribbean to do an ice ultra marathon.
00:21:21But what I really want to get into, because we don't want to weigh off topic.
00:21:24We could talk about this.
00:21:25I know I could with regards to his adventure and all that, like what happened and all the rest of it.
00:21:31We could talk about it the entire show, but I want to keep on topic, which is bad mind.
00:21:35And part of that for me is to ask Tian, during that period, because on the first day, it's your first experience, you struggled.
00:21:45And you practically got back to camp almost 15, about 15 seconds or 15 minutes before the cutoff.
00:21:54And the next day, he had his best time.
00:21:58So you understand the difference.
00:21:59The bad mind to go through that, where he almost literally missed the cutoff by a couple seconds.
00:22:07Even the event organizers thought there's no way this guy is going to be able to do the next day, which was a tougher day.
00:22:12Right.
00:22:13And he completed the tougher day, even better, and started to come into his own on that day.
00:22:18I want to understand that.
00:22:20Oh, yeah.
00:22:21Right.
00:22:21So before I get into it, you have to sort of, I just want to expand a little bit on the venture.
00:22:31So the motivation behind going into it.
00:22:33So yes, you have the personal side, but there's also other aspects that keep you going and keep you motivated.
00:22:43So to expand a little bit of some of the reasons why I entered.
00:22:46So there was also the whole thing of cool adventures, for example.
00:22:51We do off the beaten track.
00:22:53A lot of it is high-intensity stuff.
00:22:57So it's a big motivation behind it was to put Trinidad on the map to show that, hey, in the realm of ecotourism or adventure tourism or what some may deem experimental tourism,
00:23:11we have people here that could step out of the box and dabble and execute and performing terrain absolutely alien to them.
00:23:20Hence, you, in good hands, consider Trinidad and Tobago as a destination.
00:23:25That was one of the big things riding on the whole event.
00:23:29The other thing is, a couple of years ago, I had some medical issues.
00:23:34And people who suffered some of the same things that I might be following on YouTube and stuff went from down in the dumps into coming back full, like, proper physique in the gym and stuff.
00:23:48So I just took it a little more extreme in terms of being not able to do something as extreme as an ultra, far less, an ice ultra into actually executing it.
00:24:03So you have those four reasons.
00:24:06So when you have this type of stuff riding on an event and announce that you're going to execute,
00:24:11you can't, in my mind, you can't go and get extracted.
00:24:19I even posted a video when I was prepping.
00:24:22I went two days before to sort of acclimatize and stuff.
00:24:25And I even posted a video saying, this race is about your mind.
00:24:28If you're not smart with what you're doing, extraction.
00:24:31And I was making fun of it because I'm not thinking I might actually be the one getting extracted.
00:24:37But ego came in there again.
00:24:40Let me be real.
00:24:41It's real.
00:24:41It's real.
00:24:42I know in my case as well, it was like, listen, I'm not going to fail.
00:24:46But that's also a positive.
00:24:48I'm not going to fail.
00:24:49I'm not going to go through all my embarrassment, all this kind of stuff.
00:24:52But that's all driving for, you know, that's being real.
00:24:54But is that healthy, though?
00:24:56That's being real.
00:24:56That's what we need to talk about.
00:24:58I say that.
00:24:58It's the same with the cause.
00:25:00So I always, on a side note, I'm in charge of a group of young athletes.
00:25:08And we also, Kulbu also does like tours with sometimes kids up to 12 years old and sometimes teenagers.
00:25:16And I always stress on them.
00:25:19I make a joke saying, a little quote from Denzel Washington, you know, you're going to get your education today.
00:25:25You're going to learn today.
00:25:27The bad mind aspect of it, I like to extend that into the realm of physical endurance or physical performance where you have to test yourself mentally because you could apply that to your studies.
00:25:43You could apply that to being an entrepreneur.
00:25:46And for fellow entrepreneurs, it's difficult when you have to manage your whole business and be dependent on bookings and cancellations and stuff.
00:25:53It's hard when you're not seeing the steady flow coming in, you know.
00:25:57You need bad mind sometimes to deal with that.
00:26:02So when you could apply what you learn, what I call you get your education today.
00:26:07And you can apply what you learn in those circumstances when it gets, when they go and really get tough and the tough really have to get going.
00:26:15When you can apply that to day-to-day life, that's using bad mind in a very positive way.
00:26:23So it's in between.
00:26:24But, Niall, before you come in, I still want to understand.
00:26:27No, I ain't coming.
00:26:28I come in next.
00:26:30You want to say come in next.
00:26:31But I still want to understand, before we come off the ICE Ultra part of it, because we're getting some good context inside of there.
00:26:38During the race.
00:26:39Oh, what would keep me going?
00:26:40During the race, in those moments, I mean, it's literally never before seen territory by at least yourself, right?
00:26:49What kept you going apart from, hey, I ain't doing no extraction?
00:26:53Because there comes a point that even telling yourself, I ain't taking no embarrassment thing,
00:26:58Trinidad is so far ahead physically and mentally at that point that you're going through some pain.
00:27:05Okay, so what kept me going?
00:27:06Yes, it was painful.
00:27:08Yes, there was blizzard.
00:27:10Yes.
00:27:11There was blizzard?
00:27:12Yeah.
00:27:13What?
00:27:14It was inclined.
00:27:15That's occasionally.
00:27:16Not critical, inclined, but inclined enough to be...
00:27:19Ouch, this hurts.
00:27:20Right.
00:27:21Your breathing.
00:27:22Yeah, the breathing is impacted.
00:27:24At that stage, 13 hours in.
00:27:27You're hearing these numbers and just...
00:27:30It's dark.
00:27:31What would keep you going?
00:27:33And I was just like, you just have to do it.
00:27:37Shake it off.
00:27:38You need to do it.
00:27:39Is your mind blank at this time?
00:27:41And you're really just looking at what is your next step?
00:27:43Just take the next step.
00:27:44Just take the next step.
00:27:45It can't really be blank because this type of event, you do have a SOS button.
00:27:52They are tracking you, yes, but it's half an hour response time if something does happen to you.
00:27:57Are you out there by yourself?
00:27:59Because there's a race.
00:28:00It's like you just...
00:28:01It's 40 people, but at that stage, it's really spread out.
00:28:04This particular incident, Robert, is referring to I was actually last.
00:28:09So, yes, definitely by myself.
00:28:11Let me...
00:28:12Again, let me put it in a context.
00:28:13Last, but people dropped out.
00:28:16So, last in terms of people that qualified going forward.
00:28:19Okay.
00:28:20But there are people that have dropped out.
00:28:21People dropped out at that stage, yes.
00:28:23So, they didn't have the bad mind, in other words.
00:28:25Correct.
00:28:25They didn't have whatever that jealousy-wise is.
00:28:27The motivation.
00:28:29So, and these are people that are European because they're all European and, you know,
00:28:32and some from South America, South Africa, apart from TM being the only Caribbean person.
00:28:38So, this is my...
00:28:39This is why I'm trying to get into the mind of what...
00:28:42And like he said at the start, they're seasoned as well.
00:28:45So, what made them drop out and not have that additional and give what was going through your mind...
00:28:52Sanity.
00:28:52Right.
00:28:53You know, like, I know I can.
00:28:54I know I can.
00:28:55I know I can.
00:28:56So, yes, it certainly goes beyond the physical because I could tell you of the top...
00:29:00Some of the guys that did drop out.
00:29:03I mean, mind you, I didn't even know they dropped out because...
00:29:05At that stage, because they dropped out and they got to the checkpoint before me and dropped out.
00:29:10And these guys were, I would say, more physically prepared than I was.
00:29:15I mean, in this race, you have people like...
00:29:18There was this one particular guy, he did 30 marathons in 16 days.
00:29:2415 days, sorry.
00:29:25Meaning, he would enter these things, he sponsored, fly to another destination.
00:29:30If there's...
00:29:30If it doesn't...
00:29:31If the logistics don't...
00:29:33Color it.
00:29:34Yeah, he would do his own mileage on Strava.
00:29:38Okay.
00:29:38So, for all intents and purposes, 30 marathons in 15 days.
00:29:42I would tell you also, from the Jungle Marathon, I was also intimidated by some of the competitors.
00:29:48You go in there and one of the things Ironman, Ironman contestants do, they tattoo...
00:29:55The various Ironman that they did on their legs.
00:29:59That's hardcore.
00:29:59Yeah, when you go into these events and you see, bum, bum, bum, I'm full.
00:30:06Full sleeve, full sleeve, just eyelash, kind of hard-seller.
00:30:08Ironman in the air, you're like, okay, what is this?
00:30:11But, but, yes, you could execute an Ironman, yes.
00:30:15But, but, or a marathon and beat me in a marathon, yes.
00:30:19But, could you recover and do it again the following day?
00:30:27And then again.
00:30:27And then again.
00:30:29And then again.
00:30:29And then again.
00:30:30And then again.
00:30:30And then some of these events go 53K, 40K, 50K again.
00:30:36And then you get jammed with a solid one way into it, like day four.
00:30:41So, in the jungle, day four was 100K.
00:30:44This particular ice, day four was 63K.
00:30:48In that type of Korean, 63K is the equivalent of more than 100K.
00:30:54Because it does take time to go.
00:30:56So, the bad mind is more like you need, you have to dig deep, you have to recover.
00:31:01And I could go on the other extreme where you could see how, I don't want to call the
00:31:08guys that dropped a week, they're not weak by any means.
00:31:11I'm just trying to say.
00:31:13Mentally less strong than you.
00:31:15Perhaps.
00:31:15Yeah.
00:31:15So, guys, again, we're going to go through a lot of detail, right?
00:31:20And I know you like to do this with detail, right?
00:31:23And it's interesting.
00:31:24That's why we have him here.
00:31:25That's true.
00:31:25But, Tian did explain what is, what is, I think you're looking, wherever you're
00:31:31looking for, you're in front of him, but he explaining what was in his mind and his
00:31:35motivations, you know?
00:31:36No, because I'm looking for, what I'm looking for is going through at that point, when you're
00:31:42hitting that, the bad mind in terms of, okay, these are all things pre-race.
00:31:48During the race, you don't know any of that.
00:31:49Right now, it's just you and the next.
00:31:51How do you know that?
00:31:52How do you know what's going through his mind?
00:31:53Well, this is what we're trying to get at.
00:31:55Because I'm saying to you, with regards to demons, like, what is going on in your mind
00:32:01that's keeping you while you're going through that, apart from you may start off the first
00:32:0510, I ain't getting extracted, you know, them fellas in front of me, boy, this thing
00:32:09cold.
00:32:09But then it comes to a point, whether it's the same day, day two, demons start to hit
00:32:15too.
00:32:15It could happen.
00:32:17The wall comes.
00:32:17The wall comes.
00:32:18The wall, you could hit that wall.
00:32:20So, I'm going to try to shed some light on it.
00:32:24You could hit that wall, or the human mind could hit that wall so quick.
00:32:27I remember looking recently, before, part of my prep, I was looking at the series Alone
00:32:32on Netflix, where you have to go in, I don't know if you're familiar with it, you go in
00:32:36and you have to last 30 days in Alaska, wherever it might be.
00:32:42And you've got people popping out after six days, nine days, and you're thinking, oh my
00:32:48God, nine days, dude, really?
00:32:51You can't last nine days?
00:32:52But I could relate directly to it.
00:32:55So, for example, in the ice, it starts, not that it started happening to me, but I could
00:33:01see how it could happen to the human mind.
00:33:04So, on day one, so this race essentially starts not on race day when they blow the
00:33:09horn.
00:33:09It starts the night before.
00:33:10Because after you check yourself in, and you do your gear check, and you get approval,
00:33:16race starts, because you're self-sufficient from the night before.
00:33:20The first night, so it's a forward journey from where we hotel, where I was, and to the
00:33:27race start.
00:33:28On the first night, they put us to sleep in teepees on the snow.
00:33:36Well, the base of the teepee was snow.
00:33:40I was not aware that that was going to happen.
00:33:43And I didn't have somebody to retire.
00:33:44It's cold, literally.
00:33:46Literally, because I had a, I skimped on the sleeping bag, the quality of the sleeping bag
00:33:51I had, you know.
00:33:53So, going in there, and you're in this, literally, on ice.
00:33:59Right, sleeping on ice.
00:34:01The teepee does not touch the floor.
00:34:05Right.
00:34:06So, when the wind blows.
00:34:07Underneath, you could even cool down.
00:34:09Full-on wind chill.
00:34:11Within less, I would say, less than two, three hours of that, I was already starting.
00:34:19Not that I was going to give up, but I was, I could see how the human mind starts to break
00:34:23down.
00:34:23The creeps are coming.
00:34:24It's a creeper, and it's a psychological thing.
00:34:27I might, I don't know necessarily the terminology.
00:34:29You might be able to shed some light on that, where you start to mentally break down, and
00:34:33that break down is absolutely real.
00:34:35I could see, it didn't happen to me, but I could say maybe I was on the window, or I
00:34:41could see how it could happen.
00:34:44So, the first stage of discomfort.
00:34:47So, when you reach that discomfort, because all of us have certain things we are accustomed
00:34:52to, whether you want to go temperature, whether you, pain, et cetera.
00:34:56When you reach that first stage of discomfort, it's really testamental because your body would
00:35:01say, I don't want to experience this anymore.
00:35:03I want to go back to the equilibrium.
00:35:05The mind would say that.
00:35:07Yeah.
00:35:08One time.
00:35:09And because of that, in that moment, if your mind weak, because I'm using that term now,
00:35:14weak, or your motivation, wherever it is, even if it's, I want to be the first trainee,
00:35:19if that is not strong enough, then you would go home.
00:35:23Mm-hmm.
00:35:24Right?
00:35:24The purpose needs to be enough.
00:35:26You know, and Tia, and I think what you're saying is really important, for one, in terms
00:35:31of we're talking about bad men, and then two, as men, because I think that men should at
00:35:35least have one thing that we would go all out for.
00:35:38Mm-hmm.
00:35:38And I would premise what you're saying, sometimes it don't even matter the reason, because I've
00:35:44dealt with athletes before doing mental toughness, and some of them did it because I want all
00:35:51the girls, if you understand what I'm saying.
00:35:53But because I want all the girls, I push them to be the best athlete they can be.
00:35:59So before, sometimes I'm not saying that we were doing it, but judging the reason, the
00:36:04person doing it, I would praise that they're even willing to push beyond pain, push beyond
00:36:10discomfort.
00:36:11I think I'm going to start speaking about that, where you have to understand the limits
00:36:19of your body and mentally gamble risking them.
00:36:24Because, like say, in my particular case, you have to, you could, it could be deemed, and
00:36:31I think this is what happens to some people, you're scared to test those limits.
00:36:34And the only thing that could push you over the edge is how strong you are mentally, or
00:36:41how risk, the level of risk taking you might want to stay mentally.
00:36:46Well, in your case, I just want to touch on that.
00:36:50In your case, that bad mind was also learnt.
00:36:54Because you knew from past experiences and different things that have happened to you
00:36:59along that period, that, hey, you know what, this, it's like me when I'm telling you that
00:37:04even though I got the pain at eight miles, I know I'd done up to 20 in training.
00:37:08So I know that physically, I had it within me.
00:37:11You're capable.
00:37:12In his, in your case, is it that you knew that, hey, you know what, this is just, this
00:37:16is all mental games here.
00:37:18I know I've been through this.
00:37:19I know I can achieve it.
00:37:21And how do you, how do you get there?
00:37:23How do you get someone else who's listening on here to get that?
00:37:28Well, I, I know I covered the distance and I'm fairly comfortable covering that type of
00:37:33distance, but in terms of, did I actually covered?
00:37:36No, because the terrain was not familiar to me.
00:37:39I didn't know what I was going into.
00:37:40As, as we, as I was spreading along, it was getting worse and worse and worse and things
00:37:45are not working in my favour.
00:37:47But, so, even if you, in your case, you did cover the distance, in my case, I covered
00:37:52the distance, but not the terrain.
00:37:54That's another variable that you have to, to deal with.
00:37:57So I think it comes down to just, just the mental, how, how, how deep are you willing
00:38:03to dig mentally and go into that, I don't know if I should call it a dark place, but how
00:38:09it is dark.
00:38:11So, because Johanse brought up something and I, and that's what I'm trying to, because
00:38:16I keep coming back to guys, Johanse brought up as well as that purpose.
00:38:20So, like the athlete, you might start off, I want to get girls, I want to make money,
00:38:25whatever, whatever's your driving factor to get you to that, to get you to the starting,
00:38:29starting lineup.
00:38:31But once you start, and you start to go through those lonely periods, you know, like, for
00:38:36example, the Olympians, every four years, people not seeing that every day they have
00:38:39to put in this intense training.
00:38:41For that four years, for someone then to tell them, boy, you're going to make it to the
00:38:44semis, or you're going to make it to the finals, just being an Olympian is a huge achievement.
00:38:50But you don't see those dark periods.
00:38:52And I'm saying that even though they may want to achieve certain things, and this is what they
00:38:56want for their family and to provide, on those days, there's something else that they have
00:39:02either naturally learned, experienced, whatever it is, that gets you to that point of the then
00:39:09glory, which is the last one.
00:39:10We're going to a break just now.
00:39:11I think that's a personal thing.
00:39:14I don't know if it's one formula for everyone, because, you see, you said, because you're doing
00:39:19it for your father, right?
00:39:21Because you had motivation to be the first trainee to challenge yourself for your company.
00:39:26Right?
00:39:27I, that, me, because I'm thinking about other, other times when I did things like that and
00:39:32push myself, it was different motivations at different times, but I think it's something
00:39:37about not wanting to feel.
00:39:40I have a vision, whatever your vision is.
00:39:43And, I mean, you know, if you see yourself at the end of the vision, it really matters
00:39:48the things in between.
00:39:49And I think someone asked the question, if your mind was blank, I think you, you asked that,
00:39:54right?
00:39:54I understand why I would ask that, because sometimes you have to forget every single
00:39:58thing.
00:39:58You forget even, you have feet, but you're still moving.
00:40:02So, when you're asking that question, it's really that it comes from a place of, it have
00:40:08a lot of strong emotions attached to that outcome.
00:40:11Because, and we're going to the break.
00:40:13If I ask, let's say a regular person, I've asked people this.
00:40:16Would you walk from Port of Spain to Arima?
00:40:19And the person say, no.
00:40:20But if I say, you're getting $500,000.
00:40:23The person say, well, they already start walking.
00:40:25But it's the same distance.
00:40:27But now, the emotional connection towards whatever that money means to that person.
00:40:34It really matters the work.
00:40:35It really matters the tiredness.
00:40:37They're ready to go.
00:40:38So, I think it's a matter of choosing that goal, choosing that purpose, whatever it is,
00:40:44and then executing that.
00:40:46Whatever it is, it would have been real anxious.
00:40:50Because when you say...
00:40:51Let's talk about it.
00:40:52Yes, let's go to the break, and then we'll come back about it.
00:41:05We're back here, manhood, having a quick conversation about manhood.
00:41:08As always, of course, Robert, Johansi, Tian.
00:41:12And I had something to address to you, Johansi.
00:41:16You know what it was about?
00:41:16You said, you mentioned that it don't matter the reason.
00:41:22Once it's self-motivation, whatever is a personal reason, pushing it forward, right?
00:41:27I have a little issue with that.
00:41:28My anxiousness was sometimes your reasons are really bad.
00:41:32Because you mentioned the athlete with the gills, and he's pushing for gills.
00:41:35But the only reason that's okay, that he's doing this for gills,
00:41:39is because the outcome that he's doing it for is what we deem as a positive outcome.
00:41:44But that could easily be a negative outcome, that he wants all this.
00:41:48I do this for gills for a negative reason.
00:41:50And so, let me give you an example as to me now with my bad mind story.
00:41:55It's not a good one.
00:41:56It's not positive.
00:41:57I get one.
00:41:58I'm sure a lot of us have felt that emotion before.
00:42:02And I now tell myself that I have to get revenge on my girl for wanting me.
00:42:09Right?
00:42:10With that guy who's older than me, I can't even compete.
00:42:12I'm not even on this level.
00:42:13He's driving a Benz.
00:42:14I still on my P2.
00:42:15Right?
00:42:15So, you know what your boy do?
00:42:17Bad mind.
00:42:18I say, yo, I have the mental fortitude to see this act through.
00:42:22I went to the pet shop.
00:42:24And I'll try to be brief.
00:42:26I say, I know you all those comb fleas.
00:42:28Let me give you all the fleas that you have.
00:42:30Right?
00:42:31So, this girl gave me a little zippo bag of just fleas.
00:42:35Real weird.
00:42:36And I sat down in grass, tall grass, for hours waiting for her to come home.
00:42:42Right?
00:42:42Getting bitten by fire ants.
00:42:44And I'm telling myself, and what was pushing me through was the thought in my mind that all men went through of the different positions that this man is smashing my girl.
00:42:56That was, that was, that me just replaying that over and over, just different scenarios.
00:43:00That was, that had me the motivation to be sitting down in the grass at two o'clock in the morning, getting bitten, just so that I could see his car roll up, them jump out, go inside.
00:43:12And this is where my time now, my time is here.
00:43:15Pry open the side of his door and empty out the bag of fleas in the car.
00:43:19Now, granted, I don't know what happened after that.
00:43:22Did they even notice that it had a bag of fleas in the car?
00:43:25I don't know, but it felt good at the moment.
00:43:28My bad mind got me through.
00:43:29I was like, yeah, yeah, Niall.
00:43:32Niall.
00:43:33I proved my manhood that I could do it, but that day was me unhealthily damaging myself.
00:43:39How did that experience doing that?
00:43:41How did that help you in life?
00:43:43I felt better at the time.
00:43:44Right, but, but foot on, how do you think that experience going through that, that length of thing to accomplish that?
00:43:51How did that help you?
00:43:52Um, it didn't.
00:43:56Well, I guess the help would be that me seeing that I am clearly mentally unwell for me to do that.
00:44:02Wait, you were speaking about that if he was to reflect and say, hey, he knows now he has the ability to go the full distance.
00:44:11To go the full distance, to sit in a field and get bitten.
00:44:15The driving factor in this case was a totally negative one.
00:44:18I don't think he's going to be drawing anything positive.
00:44:20Correct.
00:44:21Now, someone like yourself might look at that scenario and say, hey, this is what you're capable of.
00:44:25But what, what was his driving force in terms of that, that that gave him that nitrous at that particular point?
00:44:32Might be, might be achieved by something in life that's positive.
00:44:36Okay, I hear what you're saying in the, in the initial, in the initial stages.
00:44:40So, uh, let's go to the same bad mind.
00:44:42So, we, we, we, we there with bad mind.
00:44:44Mm.
00:44:46The same athlete we were talking about who motivation was gills and why he wanted to be the best athlete.
00:44:52In the short term, it was girls.
00:44:53But in the long term, what eventually happened is he learned, he had the will to push himself beyond limits.
00:44:59And I say that because one, bad mind, two, as men, manhood, pushing yourself, that is a, is a, is a skill that being able to push yourself beyond the limits is a skill.
00:45:11And like any skill, you have to practice it.
00:45:13So, even if the, in, in initial stages, you might say the reason, not so noble, but it, it gives you the fortitude to do something else.
00:45:22So, if it is, because we have so many different things in the world, we don't know, next thing, the, the right brothers who invented the place.
00:45:30Next thing, they just wanted to be better than everybody else.
00:45:33They didn't even think about innovation or anything else.
00:45:35We don't know.
00:45:36But the end result is still something that we could use.
00:45:39So, even as personal as men, whether it is you want to be the best at something, you want to pull all the gears, you just want fame, you want to be on TV.
00:45:47If it gives you the opportunity to push yourself beyond, that is something that you can't unlearn.
00:45:54And if you continue doing it, it's not something you could only because you could draw, always draw from it.
00:45:59Next thing, you have a project to do.
00:46:01I don't know, let's say a project to do for an international company.
00:46:03And you have to create an art piece.
00:46:05And you start to get lazy and you say, Nile boy, oh gosh.
00:46:09But then remember, wait now, I sit down in the bush, taking, biting hands to drop some fleas.
00:46:16Why I can't do something for my own good?
00:46:18It won't apply.
00:46:19It won't apply.
00:46:20And let me tell you, let me tell you.
00:46:23You always see it like women, their child is in trouble and they could lift a car.
00:46:27Facts.
00:46:28Right?
00:46:28At that particular point.
00:46:29You think they don't know that afterwards they could say, hey, clearly I had the ability to lift a car.
00:46:35If their child is in trouble again, you think that they could find some way to dig deep or train in a gym or any of those things to find that Jonas Ikua to be able to do the same thing?
00:46:44Yes, probably it's not impossible.
00:46:47But let's face it, it's improbable.
00:46:49What drove him?
00:46:50You know, like they say with women, hell hath no fury, like a woman's corn.
00:46:53Men with rage and one of those things to be in horn, his driving force led him to not even be afraid of his own, the repercussions of his actions.
00:47:05He was driven by, I am just intent in making you pay.
00:47:09No, but you could tap into that again.
00:47:12We're not saying it's impossible.
00:47:13I'm saying it's improbable.
00:47:14You live in a utopian environment and all the things you tell your clients all the time.
00:47:19It's possible for you to be president and prime minister.
00:47:24No, I think personally also, I haven't done long marathons on run, but I remember I did one of those local where we did an optical course in Las Graves.
00:47:35And I remember I, at one point, yes, I was motivated.
00:47:40I start and then I started to get tired.
00:47:41I was like, you know, you could drop out at any time.
00:47:43And then I started cussing myself.
00:47:45I said, you big, big, you say you're going and do this thing and everybody know you're going to do it.
00:47:51You're not going to finish.
00:47:52So that's one.
00:47:52And then going through it, then I saw some people who I find was looking weaker than me and they started passing me.
00:47:58And then I was like, nah, them not passing me.
00:48:01And then that pushed me forward.
00:48:03Bad mind.
00:48:03Bad mind.
00:48:04And then I was like, you know, you're supposed to be this behavior change consultant and you can't hack your own mind to push yourself forward.
00:48:13And then I show you that because if I didn't, and I also remember other times when I pushed myself doing different things.
00:48:21I'll tell you, I remember a time in secondary school I used to play rugby.
00:48:24And I remember I got hit or tackle and one of my contacts fell out by.
00:48:28And I was early game.
00:48:29And I played the game one contact in one contact out, right?
00:48:33And I remember I draw a reference to that.
00:48:37But I was a full contact sport.
00:48:40That was good.
00:48:41But what I was saying is your mind remembers when you push yourself.
00:48:51So even if you're pushing yourself to scorn somebody or hurt somebody, what your body does initially, it brings back that memory.
00:49:00When that discomfort hit, remember you speaking about that when it was in the tent.
00:49:03When it is comforted.
00:49:05If you don't have nothing to draw a reference to, most times you go to dropping out or failing.
00:49:11But if you have something to draw a reference to, because most times you do, if you push yourself.
00:49:15Well, in that case, everybody should have a reference to draw from.
00:49:18Every man would have some motivator.
00:49:21Draw a reference, Niall.
00:49:22If you're on one side of a bridge and somebody tells you this is rough water, they have alligators in it.
00:49:28Cross.
00:49:28No.
00:49:29I'll give you a million dollars.
00:49:31Nah.
00:49:31I'll continue.
00:49:32You would start to consider it more and more.
00:49:34At some point in time, it would be like.
00:49:35If they say, listen, your child is on the other side of that.
00:49:39You're going to do it.
00:49:40You're going to do it.
00:49:40It depends on what is your driving force.
00:49:44Correct.
00:49:44In Tian's case, with an ISOL trucker, trying to bring it home now, we have to give our nuggets.
00:49:49The driving factor in his case is, yes, started off with, you know, midlife crisis, probably.
00:49:55I want to be the first in the Caribbean.
00:49:57I want to be the fittest.
00:49:59Fittest.
00:49:59All of these other factors got him there.
00:50:03Right.
00:50:03The experience of what he's done before allowed him to know, hey, I could do this.
00:50:09Because otherwise.
00:50:09Uncapable.
00:50:10It would be madness.
00:50:11I'm not just going to pick up my selfie and say, hey, next week I'm going to climb Mount Everest.
00:50:15I have nothing to draw from.
00:50:17In his case, he had things to draw from.
00:50:20But when he reaches there now, and all that wind chill, for those of you who have experienced wind chill, it's not a very comfortable thing.
00:50:29That's in your resting period, where you have to gather your thoughts, and you have to kumbaya, yoga, do all the different things that you have to do to prepare yourself.
00:50:37Wind chill in your ass.
00:50:39You are literally now sleeping on snow.
00:50:41All the things are coming up into your mind about, boy, I skimped on that sleeping bag.
00:50:46If I'd only paid you $20 more.
00:50:48If I had a sponsor.
00:50:49All of these things are in your mind now as to what could and should have, shoulda, coulda, woulda, but what is.
00:50:57Right.
00:50:58And you are there now, and even in that point of trying to, you haven't even started us yet, you're in this level of discomfort.
00:51:04Then after day one, you're going through something.
00:51:07People are dropping out, man hallucinating, all of these different things.
00:51:10You still have to push forward.
00:51:12At what point, when you're telling yourself, boy, screw what the people of Trinidad and Tobago think.
00:51:16Screw this money that I got, or all the money I spent to get here.
00:51:20All of this fame I wanted.
00:51:22Whatever was driving you at that point, all the experience of Jungle Ultra, as I told you, me with my eight miles.
00:51:28At that point, you can't say, but I did this in Jungle Ultra.
00:51:31You are there now experiencing what you were experiencing.
00:51:35Something then takes you from there to the finish line.
00:51:39Sometimes that something is different for everybody, and it could be the same thing, because I'm not speaking for you because I wasn't in your mind, but whatever got you there could sometimes be the same to carry you forward.
00:51:51That's something I talk about, and his case was positive, or it could have been from a negative experience.
00:51:56But I'm saying also in Niall's case, there's something that took him from here to the determination to go through with the task.
00:52:03Be it the man could have had a firearm, be it the man could, you know, somebody could have gotten caught.
00:52:09All sorts of things could happen, but in his mind, I don't care.
00:52:13In Tian's mind, I don't care about all these other factors that are happening to me.
00:52:17I am going to do this.
00:52:19Right.
00:52:20And it's actually that exactly what you're saying.
00:52:22It really has to be, I don't care about anything else other than this.
00:52:30Like, at that point, I did not care about my mental health.
00:52:32I didn't care about my health.
00:52:33I didn't care, but I said, yo, I will die here before I move.
00:52:37Right.
00:52:38Before I have to see for myself.
00:52:41Right.
00:52:41I have to see it.
00:52:42I don't know why.
00:52:43It was, is that sadistic?
00:52:45No, no.
00:52:46That, I think, is maybe the key to us achieving our full potential because too often we care about limits.
00:52:55We care about what people think.
00:52:57We care about how it might feel.
00:52:59Sometimes we care about pain.
00:53:00But when you're laser focused, you don't care about anything.
00:53:03Nothing else.
00:53:03And that might sound bad because I don't care, but I don't care about these things that have been limiting me before.
00:53:11Now, the end goal may not have been the most noble, quote unquote, but at least in that moment, we tapped into something greater than ourselves.
00:53:21So, if we're talking about manhood and we're going with the meaning of bad mind, maybe from a trinity point of view, is that it's bad because I don't care about any of these limits.
00:53:32I don't care about anything, so I will make sure and accomplish this, even if my foot break, even if this.
00:53:39Just like any other part of the body, you know, you could condition and train your mind.
00:53:44So, it's up to him how he channeled it.
00:53:47In this particular case, it could be deemed negative.
00:53:49It could be probably deemed positive, like giving the fleas a free dinner, you know.
00:53:56But what I mean, in the future, he could, he's already have, he already has that level of conditioning.
00:54:03So, he could apply it to something a little more positive in the future because he's trained.
00:54:09No, but can't, you know, because can't I take that motivation?
00:54:13It can't take that away.
00:54:14It can't take that away.
00:54:14Yeah, it's already condition.
00:54:16He was looking in hindsight at that point and saying, hey, I was good, you know what?
00:54:19When I went and I did this to this man, and in this case, or you inflicted injury upon somebody else,
00:54:26that I'm not going to use that and say, hey, you know what?
00:54:28I am capable physically of doing things, boy.
00:54:30That's madness.
00:54:32But it is always unconscious, and I have one.
00:54:36I've never heard that intensity, ever.
00:54:39Correct.
00:54:40But we have to.
00:54:40But you could apply it.
00:54:42Guys, I don't know.
00:54:43Yeah, right.
00:54:44Perfect.
00:54:44You know, like every other topic, we could go on and on and on, and we could speak about, you know.
00:54:50It is one of the things, fortunate and unfortunate, just like we said about bad, man is good and bad.
00:54:56Fortunate and unfortunate with regards to manhood is the topics and the discussions are never-ending.
00:55:02They will always be with us, and they will always need to be discussed.
00:55:06These are positive in terms of what we're trying to do, which is to influence a better behavior or better decision-making in certain actions that we take, whether it be seen as bad or good.
00:55:18And in this case, the show, the topics are for that positive outlook, but it's also based on the need from negative behaviors.
00:55:29So my quick takeaway, because I really like Johanse and Tian and Niall, of course, to summarize in more in depth, their takeaways on the show and what drives them.
00:55:44But my takeaway from bad mind is simply, bad mind's a term.
00:55:51What it is, when you separate the wheat from the chaff, you unravel it out of foil, as we like to say in Trinidad and Tobago, it's determination.
00:56:01It's the determination to do something.
00:56:03Whether your mind is blank as a result of not necessarily being blank but laser-focused on achieving that specific goal, you've tapped into a greater being inside yourself that you just simply weren't aware of or you weren't aware of the capability to do something.
00:56:20In certain cases, like your case, Tian, you benefited from experience, but you were still in an environment that you still wasn't 100% sure that you could achieve that.
00:56:34You might have gone in thinking that, but during that period, your mind would have been playing with you, what we call demons, what we call all sorts of other things.
00:56:43But it's the determination.
00:56:45Whatever you draw upon to get there is what then becomes bad mind.
00:56:49So how you use it, in a negative way or positive way, I urge you and I hope that from this show that we then channel that and use it in a positive way.
00:56:58We don't seek revenge.
00:57:00We don't seek, you know, the silent treatment, things that I am guilty of, things that we're all guilty of, but we use it in a positive.
00:57:07And therefore, you know, bad mind becomes good, good mind.
00:57:12Who knows?
00:57:13All right.
00:57:14I appreciate these conversations as usual, and especially this one.
00:57:20And thank you, Tian, for coming and sharing a different perspective, because it's us really discussing amongst ourselves, not necessarily right or wrong, but what we could each take to be better men.
00:57:30And also the viewers out there, men who view in, boys who view in, for you all to be better, and even the women, that how you all could help support your brothers, your husbands, et cetera.
00:57:39Because I am thinking of areas now in my life where I need to have some more bad mind, where I could be better.
00:57:47Because the truth is, I have done it before, and I know the conditioning of it.
00:57:51So it's just stupidness stopping me now, and I could push myself forward.
00:57:56So, again, thank you very much.
00:57:58That bad mind, in Trini too, could really be good mind.
00:58:01And as men, it could really take us from one level to the next level, because I believe we shouldn't go to the grave with regrets.
00:58:11And when we don't push ourselves, we end up having regrets.
00:58:14There's a difference between a regret and a mistake.
00:58:17A mistake is when you really push forward, and you do what you want to do, and it didn't end up the way you wanted.
00:58:22And a regret is when you never give yourself the opportunity.
00:58:26So I take it as I don't want to live my life with any more regrets, and I have enough bad mind to accomplish exactly what I want.
00:58:34Tian.
00:58:35My takeaway, bad mind.
00:58:38Bad mind, you know, it's a Trini slang, bad mind.
00:58:41But when you dig up or delve further into it, it could be, yes, used in a negative way, yes, in a positive way.
00:58:52It all depends on, you know, what your objective is.
00:58:56So, but what's important is, before you even decide, am I going to use it positive or negative,
00:59:02the important thing is that you have the capacity to have that strength.
00:59:08You know, you have the capacity to dig deeper.
00:59:11Some people might use it, let's say a shooter, you just train in your mind to have that capacity.
00:59:17So let's say you trained in, as Robert brought up shooting, you could go and kill all the wildlife in Trinidad,
00:59:23or you could use it, the same shooting skills to tranquilize some animals for scientific research.
00:59:28It's the same, you still, your mind is still trained to, to be bad-minded, or be bad-minded.
00:59:38And if you, you could use it to hold a grudge, hopefully not.
00:59:42Or you could use it to, elevate.
00:59:45Yeah, and shed light to your, even to the person you might be holding a grudge against.
00:59:51You could use it in a positive way.
00:59:53And that's my takeaway.
00:59:54It's all about, yes, you train your mind.
00:59:58Your mind has the skill, or not the skill, the capacity to go and to get that deeper, to plunge to those depths.
01:00:08And it's all about how you use it or channel that energy.
01:00:13That's my takeaway from this.
01:00:14Perfect.
01:00:15I like that.
01:00:15And in closing, and just to lean on what you just said, we are all have been conditioning our minds every day.
01:00:24Like, every day people focus on negative things.
01:00:27Every day people focus, everything that we do, we are conditioned in our minds.
01:00:30So what we're really talking about, or what bad mind means to me, is really a motivational technique to get what it is that we're trying to accomplish.
01:00:37For whatever reason, you might deem the motivation is needed.
01:00:42But for me, just to give the technique, I picture things in my mind like a movie, and those pictures are what drive me forward.
01:00:53For the people who suffer from aphantasia, I don't know what y'all will do in this instance.
01:00:57But for me, I take the movies, and I say I want to become that, and I use that as my motivation tools to move forward.
01:01:07And in closing, any pet shop owners out there, don't give a bag of fleas to a 19-year-old.
01:01:13That just makes no sense.
01:01:17So again, guys, thank you.
01:01:20Thank you for being here.
01:01:21Thank you to everyone that's listened and viewed determination and desire.
01:01:27You know, what is your desire?
01:01:29What is it you're desiring for an outcome?
01:01:31Because what you focus on is what you see.
01:01:34And that desire, you're then determined to accomplish that which is desired.
01:01:40And what you desire deep enough is what you're going to then implement that level or those levels of bad mind.
01:01:47And what then becomes the greater being in you to achieve that can also be seen, as we're all discussing here,
01:01:53to achieve something positive, something good.
01:01:57So I hope that if it's nothing else, that I certainly took something away from that.
01:02:04And I hope you did as well.
01:02:05So Johanse, Tian, Niall, and Robert, thank you for listening to us once again.
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