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00:00Respect Her Game, powered by Guardian Media, in collaboration with Ansa Macau Group of Companies
00:10and the University of the West Indies St. Augustine Campus Institute for Gender and Development Studies.
00:15Welcome to Respect Her Game, the show where we deal with the sexualization of women and girls in sport.
00:22I'm your host, Christy Rannerine.
00:24Joining me on set today are two of my colleagues, Rachel Thompson-King.
00:31Rachel, of course, who is very shy, who prefers to be behind the camera than in front.
00:37And, of course, Nazira Mohamed, who is a sports anchor.
00:41Both women have some type of dealing in sport.
00:47And, Rachel, I'm going to start with you.
00:49You've been in it a bit longer than Nazira.
00:51And you have a background in both netball and basketball.
00:58And let's dive straight into it in terms of when you started on the court back then.
01:05Was there a lot of music, a lot of partying when you would have gone to games?
01:12I would have to say no.
01:13I mean, there were intermissions where they had music playing, but primarily the focus was on the sports, what's happening on the court, what's happening on the field.
01:23And I think people paid more attention to the excitement of the game that was in front of them instead of going there to hear the latest tune or maybe dance and all of that that we have now.
01:38But I think the focus was more on the field or on the court, as in my sport, basketball.
01:43But basketball was a sport where in the intermission you always have music playing.
01:49But to me it was appropriate music at that time, so it wasn't already a butter.
01:55Yeah.
01:56How long have you been, you know, in sport, Richelle?
02:00I've been a sports journalist.
02:03This will be my 23rd year.
02:06I played college basketball.
02:09I represented Trinidad Tobago in basketball in the junior and senior level.
02:15And so I would say most of my life I've been involved in sports, whether it's on the court or now in my later years covering it, you know, over the years.
02:24Right. And Nazira, you started off in the media and then you left and you became the media manager for Cricket West Indies.
02:32Correct.
02:32Both the male and female teams.
02:35Tell me about your time with Cricket West Indies and going to games and the atmosphere at these games.
02:44I always tell people being able to work at Cricket West Indies, being a West Indian is an honor and a legacy
02:52that I always dreamt of being part of.
02:55I mean, I played cricket at the university.
02:57I went to UWE, so I was part of the cricket team.
02:59And then, you know, when you move from education and you start your work life, you tend to lose that time.
03:04So being able to give back to some portion of the game and Cricket West Indies in the Caribbean is the pinnacle of where you can work as somebody who loves cricket.
03:14But my experience there has been fantastic.
03:17I think I've traveled literally the entire world twice or more over the years.
03:25I was there for like six and a half years at Cricket West Indies, working as a media manager, as you mentioned, of both the men and the women's team interchangeably.
03:33And some of my greatest memories were the experiences that you get in these foreign countries and see, you know, how they treat sports women and sports men.
03:46Some countries, there are contrasting experiences.
03:50For example, my first trip to India with West Indies men's team, I was the only female with the team.
03:56And a lot of people seeing me as of East Indian descent thought that I was from India.
04:03So a lot of the time I got sidelined when we were coming off the bus or, you know, if we would be at the hotel or whatever it is, until the team manager stepped in and he was like, you know, she is a part of our team.
04:16She is West Indian.
04:17She may look East Indian, but she is a part of the team.
04:21And then you saw the attitude change in people towards you, realizing that she's a woman working with a men's team and West Indies men's team.
04:31No, this is taking respect to a game to a different level here, you know, very interesting.
04:35And then the total opposite of you going to a country like Australia or maybe even New Zealand, where women's sport is probably the fastest growing industry in those countries.
04:47And we all know that Australia are multiple times champion, world champion in T20 cricket and 50 over cricket for the women's team and men's team.
04:58But the contrasting treatment that you get in those two countries as a woman, you know, it helps mold you to adapt yourself to the different cultures and environments when you're there.
05:11You know, she just opened a different type of conversation, which all falls under respect.
05:18Again, Rochelle, as a woman's sport reporter, journalist, have you had any issues while you were, you know, on the field covering events?
05:29I must say I've been fortunate not to have to have encountered such a situation where because I'm a woman that I was prevented from covering anything or being have access as the male journalist.
05:45So I would say no, but sometimes the different languages that might have, they have different languages, the countries that we go to.
05:57So it might be, they may not understand, we may not understand each other because of the language difference.
06:02But saying that, and it's been treated differently for, because I'm a woman, in general, it's no.
06:08Because the countries I've been to, I mean, I think they're more open to it.
06:11Like, I've been to Brazil to cover the Pan American Games, Scotland for Commonwealth Games, London for Olympics.
06:20So I must have had very good experiences and didn't face any disadvantage.
06:27What about travel when you were playing for the country in basketball?
06:32Um, similarly, no, no.
06:34Um, most of the time we travel, we travel with the men's team.
06:37So there's always a women's and a men's team going to the competition, whether it's junior or senior.
06:41So, um, then they treat us as athletes.
06:46It's not, we weren't male or female, we're treated as athletes.
06:50So we got the same amount of respect as the male athletes.
06:53Um, I'm speaking from my, from my experiences.
06:57I have never encountered that.
06:58Um, our, the competition I did, um, played as well, we're in, um, the Caribbean.
07:04So in Jamaica, Barbados, you know.
07:06So there, we, we treat each other well in the different Caribbean countries.
07:10So we never, I've never encountered that, I could say that.
07:13And, you know, that's also a really good thing that you are able to go out there as a woman in sport
07:19and not deal with any type of discrimination or, you know, um, any type of bad treatment towards yourself.
07:26But Naziru, you know, your, your, um, experience in different countries is quite interesting.
07:33And I mean, we've seen it in international news.
07:36When it comes to India, there is this big discussion about women and how they are treated.
07:40Um, also the percentage of rape in the country, um, a lot of talk around that.
07:48And, you know, hearing it from you, having that personal experience.
07:52I want to hear about the music.
07:55When you actually went to games, um, with both the men and women's team,
08:01what was the music like or what type of music was played?
08:05And was it distracting to the players on the field?
08:10Um, we in the Caribbean, we have a party culture, we have a party vibes.
08:14So I think within the last maybe five to seven years,
08:18there's been somewhat of a shift from people attending a sporting event,
08:23cricket event for the crickets.
08:25Because sometimes you can actually ask people at a cricket game,
08:28what's the score?
08:29And they would not know what is happening because they're just there for the party,
08:33for the vibes.
08:33And like those who go to Pan as well, and they go in the North Stan and not the Grand Stan.
08:38Most of the times if you're in the North Stan, you don't know who's playing,
08:42who's on this stage.
08:43Exactly.
08:44So, I mean, us in the Caribbean, depending on the territory that you go to,
08:49everybody have their own culture or form of soccer or form of calypso and that type of thing.
08:54And sometimes, and, well, I would say maybe like a dance hall genre of music
09:01that they would play at events.
09:04And sometimes, yes, they would play the clean version,
09:06but everybody already know what the explicit and uncut version may be.
09:12So you would have people singing along probably to the uncut version or the explicit version.
09:17And for me, particularly, I tend to block it out, but I've heard teammates singing it.
09:25I've heard people in the crowd singing it and stuff like that.
09:27And I think sometimes lyrics can foster people's opinions on certain things.
09:34And maybe phrases and words that are mentioned in songs sometimes get translated and adopted
09:41into people's vocabulary to describe certain things and certain situations.
09:46Whereas you have places like, again, Australia and New Zealand,
09:51where it's almost to the forefront and England to an extent because I've attended tours over there.
09:58And you have, they listen to a different genre of music, obviously, not soccer, not dance hall, whatever it is.
10:04And when you play it, you would have like a Katy Perry fireworks or one of those others
10:12that, you know, might be a little bit more female-centric and promoting women's competition.
10:18I think we call them the women anthems.
10:21That's correct.
10:21You know, there is a whole list of songs just catering for women.
10:24Exactly.
10:25And their upliftment.
10:26So you would hear that and you would hear a lot of local artists.
10:29And, you know, it's not necessarily the prevalence of the lyrics that we know in the Caribbean,
10:35especially of recent times where some of them kind of infiltrate into Soka a little bit,
10:40not knocking Soka, not knocking the songs or whatever it is,
10:44because Soka is part of our identity as a Trimbegonian and as Caribbean people.
10:50But sometimes we have to probably take a step back and listen to what it is we're actually playing
10:56because there are younger ones in the crowd.
10:59And I want to ask you your opinion now on, you know, part of the Respect Her Game initiative
11:06is to challenge DJs to come up with playlists which are different from what are being played right now
11:14at these sporting events.
11:16Rachel, what do you think about the Respect Her Game campaign and the aim of it
11:21in terms of dealing with the sexualization of women and girls in sport
11:25and trying to, you know, bring a difference to the sporting events
11:30which our youngsters especially will be in attendance?
11:35Okay.
11:36Well, I can't tell the DJs how to do their craft in the first place,
11:40but I think they can be creative.
11:43There's a lot of music out there in the world, different genres.
11:46I mean, even the Soka, there are a lot of good songs that we can use during these events
11:52that would promote, motivate, as you say, as you say, Grey Lanterns and some of them also.
11:58But, you know, they can be creative and use the music that we have here,
12:04but channel it to be more appropriate because me and I was a mother, right?
12:11I have sons and I try to teach them the correct thing.
12:14Now, I don't think a song could influence them to do the wrong thing.
12:19I think I've taught them enough that they have enough sense
12:21that a song can dictate for them what to do and how to be when I'm not around
12:25because, you know, sometimes you say kids behave one way in front of you
12:28and then some other way.
12:29So I think I've done enough for them to know, okay,
12:33a song kind of dictates you how you behave in your life and what you do
12:36and how you treat the other gender and all of that.
12:39So, but I think the music, back to the point of the music,
12:43it can be, the DJs can be creative and use different types of music,
12:48music, different kind of genres of music, not just soccer.
12:54Like, okay, when I was playing sports,
12:57a lot of times we prep ourselves to listen to music.
13:00Music is part of sports.
13:02That's how we get hyped up sometimes according to the song.
13:05But sometimes the songs that we listen to, people might be surprised.
13:07It might be a slow song.
13:10It might be, just recently, I saw an interview with Dwayne Wade,
13:14said he used to love to listen to Ed Sheeran before he goes on the court to play.
13:18And you would think he would be more into rap or hip-hop
13:22or whatever the case would be.
13:23Not, you know, not try to stereotype him or anything like that.
13:26But a lot of the times, not soccer I listen to before I go on the court.
13:30It might be a Mariah Carey with Newson, just to give you that motivation.
13:35So I think the DJs can be creative and try to listen down on the provocative songs
13:41because most of the sporting events have family events,
13:45so we'd have children, and the children, they know the words of the song.
13:48Of course, they know everything.
13:49My young ones know everything.
13:51And as she said, they would sing along to it.
13:53Yeah.
13:54So, so just to try to avoid it, even if you're playing the clean version,
13:59as Nasirah said.
14:01I think, let's be, let's be wise.
14:04They're going to sing the original version.
14:06So maybe you could take it out and get, as I said, be creative,
14:11perfect your craft where it would be appropriate.
14:13Nasirah has a lot to add, yeah.
14:15As Risha was mentioning it, you know, her kids would sing like a pop song
14:19or whatever it is, her athletes.
14:21I remember some of the women's cricketers on the bus
14:24and the randomest songs that you would, you would hear them sing.
14:27It's like a Celine Dion or Whitney Houston.
14:30You would think that, you know, before you go to a big game,
14:33you would be listening to a little blocks or something
14:36that, you know, would get you pumped up.
14:38And it's Celine Dion and it's Whitney Houston.
14:41And they'd have their shoe in their hand or whatever it is.
14:44And that is what they're singing.
14:45And, you know, these are the kind of things that, okay,
14:47I maybe don't want to listen to a Celine Dion when I go to a cricket match.
14:51But these are the type of wide-ranging things that we can look at
14:56in terms of, you know, getting a little bit more, I don't know,
15:00multicultural, multi-ethnic.
15:01What are your thoughts on the campaign and the aim of it, Nasirah?
15:05I think it's fantastic because the, just last week I was having a conversation
15:10with a couple of my cousins and I was saying that, you know,
15:12the younger generation now is so impressionable.
15:15I mean, I don't want to give out my age, but I will tell you,
15:19I'm an 80s baby, right?
15:21She already gave out my age.
15:24When Rachel said that she's in the media for 23 years, I'm like,
15:27that's like half my age.
15:29But, no, they're very impressionable because everything now is so readily available
15:36on social media and on the internet in general
15:40that if we can do one campaign, and we might think that one campaign will not be enough,
15:47but have you ever tried to fill a cup of water when there is no water in the pipe
15:52but you get one drip?
15:53If you leave it long enough, one drip adds and gets a cup full.
15:57And I think if we have one campaign that starts like this
16:02and other people would take the initiative and it might snowball into something else.
16:08And I know the Ministry of Sports and Community Development,
16:11they have several campaigns that they do to empower women
16:15and get women more involved in the community via sports, et cetera.
16:19And I think, you know, we're all working together in tandem.
16:22We can then revolutionize change and turn around Tobago.
16:27Rachel, are you still involved in sports?
16:31Not from the writing perspective.
16:34Yes, I am very much so.
16:35Actually, I'm the president of my club, Horizon Sports Club,
16:39Sports and Cultural Club.
16:44It's mainly netball now, but it's a netball and basketball club.
16:48We do other cultural stuff.
16:50We also have men involved in part of our club
16:53because we have men's netball now.
16:55So, yeah, I'm deeply involved in it still.
17:00And, yeah, every time I get a chance to play,
17:04netball at least.
17:05I haven't played basketball in a while.
17:07But when I get a chance to play netball, I do.
17:09And, yeah, it's fun to be sociable with my colleagues.
17:12It's really good to know that you still have skills
17:14and you're putting them to use.
17:15I'm a little slower because of the size,
17:19but I still have the little talent there still.
17:22You know, the young ones still can't beat us.
17:24So your club, when you all go to games and stuff,
17:29what do you think about, you know, you said,
17:32well, we spoke about basketball and the halftime
17:35where we know there is music, there is a party atmosphere.
17:40What is it like when you go to a netball game?
17:44There is a lot of music played.
17:46Sometimes we have some of the teams
17:48bring their own rhythm section.
17:50So they create their own music and things
17:52with their drums and their musical instruments
17:54that they decided to make while they're there.
17:57Yeah, they do the team, basically the players,
18:02well-knit team.
18:04So they enjoy themselves in the sense
18:07that they enjoy the music that is there playing,
18:09and yet they're young.
18:10So, you know, you're not going to come down on them
18:12even if they're playing inappropriate.
18:15So you can't really come down on them.
18:16This is their time to free up a little bit
18:18and, you know, that's a little freedom for them
18:22when they come to play netball.
18:24So you don't want to be down on them,
18:25oh, don't sing that song.
18:26I mean, I don't think it's about that,
18:29but it's about being able to differentiate
18:34what is good music.
18:37I shouldn't say good music,
18:38but what is good for the sport in appropriate.
18:41What is good for while the teams are playing
18:44and all of that.
18:45And the music, I think, normally is intermission time,
18:49you know, during the breaks and all of that.
18:51But they get along well and they enjoy themselves.
18:54And, I mean, they love playing the sport.
18:55They love the sport.
18:56I think you also brought up another point there,
18:59which is these teams are working with their own music,
19:03their own, and you said rhythm sections.
19:05Yeah.
19:05So which means it's our traditional music,
19:09not the music that is out there with lyrics
19:13where you have to raise questions about
19:16because, you know, you need to censor them
19:18before they go on.
19:20But I guess there's no censoring at this moment.
19:23It's about what's hot, what's popular.
19:25Do you see that as an option for sporting events?
19:30If you're experiencing it in netball
19:32and you have the teams coming with their own rhythm sections,
19:36do you see it as an option in terms of,
19:39let's say, replacing
19:40or maybe being part of this party atmosphere
19:46that is now in sport in Trinidad and Tobago?
19:48Well, when I said they come with their rhythm section,
19:51it's not a specific song.
19:52They would have chants in support of their team,
19:55which is clean.
19:57They're not friendly and create rivalry and challenges.
20:01They don't create conflict.
20:03That's the first thing.
20:04So, I mean, music, as I said,
20:06has always been part of sport.
20:09As an athlete playing, preparing to go onto the court,
20:13we listen to music.
20:14You'll see them with the headphones,
20:16the iPod, whatever it is in their ears,
20:18and that is motivation for them
20:20for when they go onto the court.
20:21to try to channel them to maybe more appropriate.
20:27I consider the songs that they play on the rhythm
20:30while they have their rhythm section
20:32and things inappropriate.
20:33No, well, when you said rhythm section,
20:34I'm actually thinking of rhythm section,
20:36but what am I getting in this conversation
20:39is that they come up with their own theme song.
20:43Yeah, they have their own chants,
20:45you know, in my time.
20:47Defensive chant, you know, defense,
20:49but they have a rhythm to it.
20:51Right, right.
20:52So, yeah, I mean, it allows them to be creative, too.
20:55No, but that's actually very nice.
20:57It reminds me of a movie
20:59I would have watched, some step show,
21:03where you had the actors,
21:07they were doing the step and chant,
21:09and it was about who could outdance the other team.
21:12Yes, yes.
21:13So, it was all part of the camaraderie,
21:15and, you know, going up against the front,
21:17facing off against each other.
21:18So, as I said, the songs and them are not inappropriate,
21:22what they chant and all of that.
21:24So, it's all in fun and the part of being, you know, competitive.
21:29Now, Nasirah,
21:30one of the points I want to bring up,
21:33especially when I'm speaking about you,
21:35is the fact that you were the first female media manager
21:39for Cricket Western Ease,
21:40which is a great accomplishment.
21:43Not only the first female,
21:44first Muslim female.
21:46And I want to ask this question, you know,
21:49we have a lot of people who believe
21:51and who would say that music is haram in Islam.
21:55And yet, when you're in jobs like ours,
21:59you're part of the, what would I call it,
22:04the oil of the nation.
22:05You have to go to sporting events.
22:08You have to go to various events.
22:09There is music there.
22:10There's no way you could put your fingers in your ear
22:12and not listen to it.
22:14How do you manage, you know,
22:18your role as a Muslim woman
22:20and the job that you have to do
22:23without compromising one or the other?
22:27Funny enough, as much as people say,
22:30you know, Muslim music is haram in Islam,
22:33whatever it is,
22:33sometimes when you're at a sporting event,
22:35it helps distract you,
22:36especially if your team is not performing well.
22:39Yeah.
22:39And you look to find solace and comfort in something,
22:42you know, stadium music.
22:43Sometimes you would just drift off into it
22:45or whatever it is.
22:46But being a Muslim woman,
22:49working in a male-dominated industry,
22:52because we have to admit,
22:54sports is a male-dominated industry.
22:57And I've had actually two,
23:01I wouldn't really call it incidents,
23:03but two instances of one gentleman from Trinidad
23:06and I remember one gentleman from Pakistan messaging me.
23:10One told me face-to-face
23:11someone messaged me on social media
23:13to say that it's wrong
23:14what I'm doing as a Muslim woman
23:17interacting with the opposite gender.
23:19And I said,
23:21but I know what my boundaries and limits are.
23:23This is my job
23:24and I will not be disrespectful to somebody
23:27if I'm visiting their country
23:30because I'm part of a team,
23:32I'm representing a team,
23:33I'm representing a brand.
23:34And, you know,
23:36you have to know where your limits
23:37and boundaries are.
23:39In terms of music,
23:40I've been to cricket in Dubai.
23:42I've been to cricket in Pakistan
23:44and music is a very much present thing
23:48in the atmosphere.
23:49You would have sounds playing out in the stadium
23:52and that sort of thing.
23:54When teams win,
23:56you would have people celebrating on the roads,
23:59beating drums or whatever it is.
24:00So it's a part of the culture first
24:04in some of these countries
24:07and in some of these locations.
24:10And then our religion is,
24:12your religion is identity
24:13just as much as part as your culture is.
24:16Yes.
24:16And I think sometimes people tend to get
24:19both of them skewed.
24:20But if you're a true Muslim,
24:24you're also a human being,
24:25you would know where to separate your lines
24:27and where to draw your boundaries
24:29when it comes to certain things.
24:29I'm glad you brought up the culture point
24:32because if you look at various cultures,
24:36musical instruments is also part of some cultures
24:39in the Arab nations
24:40and it's in Muslim populations.
24:44So again, for me,
24:46I do agree with there's a difference
24:48in culture and religion.
24:50And while, yes, you are following your faith,
24:54it's what culture you come from.
24:55I mean, have you heard or ever,
24:59sorry, have you ever seen anybody
25:00when soca music comes on,
25:02they just stand up?
25:04You would see somebody tapping.
25:06You know?
25:07What about the law?
25:08It's what we grew up with.
25:09So having to be told that this is wrong,
25:13you're not supposed to be listening to it.
25:15And for me, you know, I make the point,
25:18I don't know what my children are doing
25:19when I'm not around them.
25:21And when they hear something once,
25:23they could sing it for you right away.
25:25They pick up those songs so fast.
25:27So as an adult,
25:28I need to hear these songs as well
25:30to tell them whether or not,
25:32okay, you can listen to this,
25:33you can't listen to that.
25:35Then we have the new age of the tablets.
25:37I'm going through TikTok
25:38and whatever else is there.
25:41That's the only reason I know some of these songs
25:42because of TikTok.
25:43And all these songs that,
25:45you know, the latest trend, you know?
25:48And they would do it.
25:49They were fully aware.
25:51As I said,
25:52they have their headphones
25:54and all of that in their ear.
25:55A lot of times,
25:56they don't even know what they listen to.
25:57But my children,
25:58one is an adult
25:59and the other one is a teenager.
26:00So, you know,
26:01he had the age now
26:02where he's going to parties
26:04and all of that.
26:06Give him a little freedom.
26:07I don't go to all.
26:10Give him a little freedom.
26:11But as I said,
26:12I think we would have told him,
26:13his father and I would have taught him
26:15how to behave when he goes out there,
26:17even whatever the music is like.
26:20It kind of dictates for you
26:21what you should do
26:22and what you shouldn't do.
26:23Yeah.
26:23You know how you were raised
26:25and you know what is appropriate.
26:27So you would know how to behave
26:29when you go out,
26:30when we are not around.
26:31And so,
26:32we just have a couple minutes left,
26:33but I like the point of the balance.
26:36Because while you can't take it out,
26:39there must be a balance
26:40in what you're doing.
26:44Nazira,
26:44how do you see this balance working
26:47in terms of,
26:49you know,
26:49the campaign?
26:52We just,
26:53you brought up the point before
26:55that in different countries,
26:57the music is played,
26:58but the types of songs
27:00which are being played.
27:01Do you see
27:01a Trini game
27:04or a game being held in Trindad
27:06having those songs
27:08and it being
27:08effective
27:11at a match?
27:12Because you also spoke
27:13about the fact that
27:14now from a marketing standpoint,
27:17the party atmosphere
27:18is what sells.
27:19Yeah.
27:20Do you see it working here?
27:22I think we have
27:23talented DJs.
27:26We have talented people,
27:27competent people
27:28within the industry
27:30that can balance,
27:32that knows how to balance.
27:33Yeah.
27:33So it's a matter of
27:34choice for them
27:35in terms of
27:36how they plan
27:37to and execute
27:38their set
27:40at an event.
27:42Obviously,
27:43they would have to choose
27:44the best songs
27:45and they do integrate
27:46some of these songs
27:47but maybe they just need
27:48to integrate
27:48a little bit more
27:49some of these songs
27:52that might not have
27:54the sort of effect
27:55that they're having
27:56but again,
27:57it comes back
27:58to the culture
27:58and what is popular
27:59at the time.
28:00Well, you know,
28:01especially for cricket,
28:02once somebody hits
28:03a four or a six,
28:05the stadium goes
28:06in uproar
28:07or the oval,
28:08not the stadium,
28:09well, Brian Lara,
28:10but the oval goes
28:13in uproar
28:13and it's the hottest song
28:15that comes on
28:17and then you see people
28:18start to whine
28:19and dance
28:19and that's what
28:21the atmosphere is like
28:22but also,
28:24it's more for the adults.
28:26We want to make sure
28:28that we differentiate
28:29that this campaign
28:31is dealing with,
28:32you know,
28:33events where
28:34the younger generation
28:35is at
28:37and the young girls,
28:39you know,
28:40you don't want them
28:40going onto the court
28:42and you're hearing
28:43all these Trinidad songs
28:45which are definitely
28:46not appropriate
28:47for them.
28:49A hundred percent
28:49and I mean,
28:52it's something
28:52that you have to
28:53involve everybody
28:55that will likely
28:56be participants
28:56in the industry
28:57so it goes from
28:58the organizers
28:59all the way down
29:00to the DJs
29:01and everybody has
29:02to be on the same page
29:04in terms of
29:05what the focus
29:06should be
29:08or what you would
29:09like to present.
29:12So I don't know,
29:13you know,
29:13who are the ones
29:15that have in
29:15those discussions
29:16but I think
29:17that is where
29:18it needs to start
29:18in the planning stages
29:19of it.
29:21Now, of course,
29:21this interview
29:22has been recorded
29:23before it's going
29:23to be shown
29:24on Sunday
29:25but something big
29:27happened in the world
29:28of sport
29:28when it comes to a woman
29:29who wants to take
29:30the...
29:31Go ahead.
29:31For the first time
29:33in its 100 year
29:35plus history
29:35a woman,
29:37a former
29:38Zimbabwean
29:39Olympic swimmer
29:40Kirsty Coventry
29:42was elected
29:42as the president
29:44of the International
29:45Olympic Committee
29:46and just telling it
29:47to you now
29:47I have goosebumps
29:48coming out of my hand
29:49because as somebody
29:50who's been involved
29:52in sports administration
29:53I'm a sports anchor
29:54on television
29:55I live and breed sports
29:58to see a woman
30:00in the highest role
30:02is absolutely fantastic.
30:04Of course,
30:04and our local
30:06IO Olympic Committee
30:08IOCC, right?
30:09Yes,
30:10I understand the same
30:10all over the committee.
30:12It's committee.
30:12It's also a woman
30:14at the head
30:15and another woman
30:16who was the...
30:17What's the name
30:18of it again?
30:18Who went up
30:19lobby Santana.
30:20Yes.
30:21Can't remember
30:22the name of her role.
30:23She is the...
30:24Chef de Michon.
30:25Yes.
30:26Right.
30:26I hope I pronounced it
30:27correct.
30:28Well, ladies,
30:29thank you so much
30:30for joining us
30:31on Respect Her Game
30:33and, you know,
30:34I hope to see
30:35more of you
30:36soon,
30:37Rachel,
30:38later in the news.
30:39I'm trying.
30:39I'm making promises.
30:40And Nazira,
30:41all the best
30:41for the rest
30:42of the Ramadan season.
30:43Thank you,
30:44Anzim.
30:44See yourself.
30:46That's it
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30:49Christy Ramnerine.
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