The Jeremy Kyle Show 4th October 2018
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00:00On today's show, Katie says that Fraser is spiralling into a world of cocaine up for use and just this week, he nicked her bank card.
00:08I bought you on here today to get your help.
00:13You know what I've done is wrong when you come to the show then.
00:16What about this? I don't want to tell you about what you're thinking about me.
00:19You're looking to tell me about what I'm looking for.
00:20Fraser, sit down.
00:21You know, I like somebody telling you the truth.
00:23I don't like the fact that your kid didn't eat last week because you nicked her bank card and took all the money to spend on cocaine.
00:30Either the drug or me and his daughter, he needs to pick today.
00:36What do you want me to do today?
00:37You to give him a pick up the backside.
00:44You're not a drug addict.
00:45You don't know me.
00:46You're not in my budget.
00:47Are you in my budget?
00:49Is he in my budget?
01:00You're not in my budget.
01:01You're not in my budget.
01:05Morning, guys.
01:10Hello, friends.
01:11Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:12My first guest today.
01:13Katie is here because she is desperate for help with her boyfriend, Fraser.
01:17Now, Katie says that Fraser is spiralling into a world of cocaine abuse.
01:21And just this week, he nicked her bank card,
01:24leaving her and their kid with no money for food.
01:27She had to go to a food bank.
01:28She says today really is his last chance to prove that he can change.
01:32He's going to be one of those blokes that comes out here and goes,
01:34yeah, I've got it wrong. He needs to face up to it.
01:36This lady's brave. Katie's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
01:51Do you think you are funny? Please?
01:53What do you mean?
01:55Do you think you're funny?
01:56What? What?
01:57Seriously, I brought you on here today to get your help.
02:00Yeah, and I've come here today to get help.
02:02Well, please, can you show it?
02:03I've been crying all morning. I'm here now.
02:07I haven't been emotional myself. I've been here.
02:09I've come here to face up to the fact what I've done,
02:11and I know what I've done is wrong.
02:13What have you done? What you've just said.
02:15You don't deserve to be here with her.
02:16I know, I don't. I don't deserve her. No, I don't.
02:19I really know I don't deserve her.
02:20No, I don't. No, I don't.
02:21Why don't you do something about it?
02:22Well, I am. I'm here now, doing something about it.
02:24She's laying the show.
02:26I know.
02:26You choose to put that stuff in your system.
02:28Sit down. Come on, mate.
02:30I don't think you're getting my sympathy.
02:31I don't want your sympathy for me.
02:33Don't do that. Please.
02:34I don't want no-one sympathy, right?
02:36I don't want no-one sympathy,
02:37because I know what I've done is wrong.
02:39Why didn't you come to the show, then?
02:41I mean, it's wrong about me.
02:41So don't want to tell me about what you beat about me.
02:43No, can you tell me about what you beat about me?
02:45You know, I like somebody telling you the truth.
02:47I ain't going to wipe you up.
02:49I don't like the fact that your kid didn't eat last week
02:52because you nicked her bank up
02:54and took all the money to spend on cocaine.
02:56So shove that where the sun don't shine.
02:58Well, I didn't spend it all on cocaine.
03:00I didn't spend it all on cocaine when I did, didn't you?
03:02Darling, leave him.
03:03No, leave him. Leave him.
03:04Leave him. Come here.
03:05No, leave him. Let's go. Go on.
03:07Katie, we'll talk about this.
03:09One thing's for sure, right?
03:11When you walked past me, I was going to talk to you.
03:13This cannot be done.
03:15This cannot be done.
03:17Second, see, this cannot and will not be done
03:21by everybody sitting there as they undoubtedly have
03:24and going, oh, you see, he doesn't like being confronted, does he?
03:27Because he doesn't like the truth.
03:28No, he... No, he doesn't, to be fair.
03:30The food bank is a true story.
03:33Tell him to be quiet. Don't sit. Just shut up.
03:35I'm not talking to you.
03:37And I'm not talking to you, so be quiet.
03:38I'm not talking to these.
03:40Why? You and your kid. I don't want the picture, Matt.
03:43Lose it. I'm not interested. I'm interested in Katie.
03:45I had... I had to...
03:47No, I can't say... How difficult is this?
03:50It's hard. Why did you want to do it?
03:53To get him help, and it's breaking us.
03:59It does break us. Tell us about the food bank.
04:02I've... I have used the food bank, but I had £20 to...
04:08Don't defend him today, because I will help you.
04:10I'm not... I am not... Honestly, I am not defending him.
04:13He spent a grand on cocaine in two months.
04:15He took £150 off your bank... Yeah, he has.
04:18..with your bank card, and you were not able to feed your daughter.
04:21True or false?
04:23True.
04:24And he's got the temerity to sit there and moan about the fact
04:26that he doesn't like me confronting him.
04:28He's no father and he's no boyfriend. He's a joke.
04:30Because he hasn't got... Who's the thing? Who's the thing?
04:34He hasn't got an addiction to cocaine.
04:37He binges on it. Yeah. So it's choice.
04:41Yeah, it is. Which makes it almost worse, doesn't it?
04:44It is, yeah. It's worse.
04:45Because I guess he's picking that over you and the kids.
04:50He picks it over me and my daughter, yeah.
04:52Why'd you stay?
04:52Because I love him, and I know you've heard that a million times.
04:58But, yeah, I do love him. I want to help him.
05:00This is why I'm here today.
05:03Because it's either that or me and his and my daughter.
05:09You know, if you do this long enough,
05:13the point is, I'll get to him, but I buy you completely.
05:17Everybody watching this will buy you.
05:18You're a nice lady, and you're right.
05:20A lot of people would go, why would you be with somebody like that?
05:23But you can never make up who you fall in love with.
05:26You can never change how you feel.
05:28But there does come a point, doesn't there, where it needs to be both ways.
05:32And I'm sort of loath to ask you, but I want to.
05:36What does he have to do for you to realise
05:38that this relationship can't continue?
05:40Because, yes, you've decided to come here,
05:42and that's maybe your last resort to shock him into almost changing his life.
05:46But what's the ultimate?
05:49If he does, what, continues to spend money on drugs, cheats on you?
05:53Does what?
05:55Cheats on my God.
05:56That's a different story.
05:58What do you mean by that?
05:59Has he cheated on you?
06:01We've both done it.
06:02We've both done it, so...
06:04That sounds like the greatest relationship, that's all I'm saying.
06:09When we did that, and we moved away from the people,
06:13we was stronger than ever.
06:15Who did it first?
06:17We both did it at the same time.
06:19Synchronised cheating.
06:21So...
06:23Just about to start.
06:24You?
06:24Yeah.
06:25I don't want to talk about that.
06:26It's quite funny.
06:27No, no, no.
06:27It's quite funny when you sit at the same time.
06:29It's quite funny.
06:30Listen, I get why you're here, but what I can't get is...
06:33It's either...
06:35You have to be firm, because he's not going to take you seriously.
06:38Either the drug or me and his daughter, he needs to pick today.
06:44What happened on Tuesday?
06:46Tuesday, he went out with a friend on the Monday night,
06:51and he'd come back from my bank card, which I trust.
06:55I have the trust in him, but because he was so straight-headed,
07:00I was just like... I passed him the bank card, and I was just like,
07:04I know what he's going to do, because I just know him so well,
07:08and I know when he's been on it as well.
07:10What did he do?
07:11He took some money.
07:13How much?
07:14I think about £70.
07:17He...
07:19He obviously spent it on...
07:22What you put up your nose, sorry for swearing.
07:27He put... Yeah, he put that up his nose.
07:29You're there with your kid.
07:31You keep trusting.
07:32You keep believing.
07:33You keep hoping.
07:34He actually doesn't have an addiction.
07:37It's a binging situation.
07:38It's a binging.
07:38So he can make that situation change and come off it.
07:42So he chooses that, and yet you sit there.
07:44You're not dumb.
07:45You're an intelligent woman, and you go, but I love him.
07:47Does he love you when he's doing something that patently you hate,
07:51and patently is destroying his family?
07:53Well, he's not thinking about me and his daughter, so...
07:56Well, what makes you think that by...
07:58Well, what makes you think that he ever will?
08:00Because he's going to do it.
08:00Look, you did it already.
08:02And then when I confront him,
08:03well, deal with it, son, because that's the way it is.
08:06The truth is, he doesn't like being confronted,
08:08because he doesn't want to face up to what he does.
08:10No, he hates conflict, so...
08:12It's interesting, that, isn't it?
08:13But you, you also, I think, and this is massively important,
08:17you need to be strong with him.
08:19I do.
08:20Do you trust him?
08:22When he says, I'm going to give up the drugs,
08:24when he says, I'm going to get my life on track,
08:25do you trust him?
08:26Well, yeah, because the bank card is just not forgivable at all.
08:30What do you want me to do today?
08:32I want you to give him a f***ing pick up the back side.
08:42He needs... He needs...
08:44I can do that, but what I can't do is when the girls and the boys sit there and go,
08:47don't say that, he's nice.
08:49No, no, seriously, seriously, yeah.
08:51He needs to sit in that chair, and he needs to take...
08:54He needs to tell the truth, and he needs to take what you're going to give him.
08:58Do what you... Just do what you do, do you know what I mean?
09:01Do you know what I'm going to say to you?
09:02I like you very much, and so do the audience.
09:03We'll get him out, all right? You okay?
09:04Yeah.
09:05How good's this girl?
09:12Fraser's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
09:25What do you want me to say?
09:27There's not really... You can't say his own actions.
09:29What do we... What do we...
09:30Here's the thing I don't get, right?
09:31So I have people who crawl out from there, he'll tell you this,
09:34and they are off their heads.
09:36They are addicted to crack, to whatever.
09:39This is a choice.
09:41This is a man with about the best woman you would ever find in your life, pal,
09:46by a mile.
09:47Yes, you do.
09:48Oh, listen, she asked me to do this.
09:52The best woman you'll ever have, and a kid, and you, you think it's a good idea to nick your
09:58kids' money and go and get off your face, because you don't care about them, do you?
10:03Don't you think I feel ashamed about them?
10:04Oh, yeah, what, during, before or afterwards?
10:08What happens after that?
10:09Well, then get off it!
10:09Oh, that's why I didn't come here for her!
10:11You didn't know, did you?
10:16You didn't come here, she rang here, because you don't want to change, she wants you to,
10:22because if you did, you'd have rung 14 years, you don't give a damn.
10:26She does, I wish she could leave you, and have a life with a man who loved her, cared about her,
10:31and a kid that would go, is that my dad, or a druggie, a four-year-old, what sort of role model are you?
10:37I'm not a role model at the moment, no, no, I'm not.
10:41What are you going to do about it, then?
10:41What am I going to do about it, I'm going to change.
10:43This is my girlfriend's system, there's a Jeremy Carl show, I'll go and I'll say I'll change.
10:46You're not a man.
10:49I've already said to her, if I say stuff, it's not going to mean anything, is it?
10:53My actions are going to speak louder than what I'm going to say.
10:57Where's Stephen in the audience?
11:00You're Katie's mate, shall we hear this?
11:04It's boredom, he does it out and boredom, because he used to work, and now he doesn't work.
11:09He's got a girlfriend and a kid.
11:11I know.
11:11Why don't you take the kid to the park, rather than go to the park and score drugs?
11:16What do you think about him taking these drugs, taking her money?
11:19I would go smack when I found out.
11:20And I've known Katie for some time, and like...
11:25Good girl, isn't he?
11:26Yeah, she's brilliant.
11:27She's always been dear for me when I needed her.
11:29And like I turned out to her, she's never going to starve, because if she's never got no money,
11:35I've got food, I've got money, she can have it.
11:37I think she should be with him.
11:39APPLAUSE
11:40We're all good together, yeah.
11:44When he's not on drugs, they're all good together.
11:46Oh, yeah, when he's not on drugs, but then he chooses to.
11:49Are you giving her the little look?
11:51She's hard today, mate.
11:52You're getting nothing.
11:53What are you going to do about it?
11:54What am I going to do about it?
11:55I'm just going to change.
11:56Really, why?
11:57Why now?
11:57Why?
11:57Because you're on television, and somebody's taking you on.
11:59Why are you doing it before?
12:01You kids fall, why didn't you do it before?
12:03Because I was on drugs, that's why.
12:05Why?
12:06Why?
12:06Because I'm on drugs, so why?
12:08It's an addiction.
12:09It's an addiction.
12:10You're not a drug addict.
12:11You don't know me.
12:12You're not in my body.
12:13I'm not addicted to cocaine.
12:16You make the choice to buy that and put it in your system.
12:21You don't know what I feel like in my body.
12:23Hold on, do you make that choice?
12:25Why did you do it then?
12:27Dear, I don't know.
12:28Because I'm a waste of space, drug addicts.
12:30No, you're not.
12:31Because when you...
12:31Oh, you don't know.
12:32When you decide, here's the thing that I don't get.
12:35Look at me.
12:36You have a choice.
12:37No, dear.
12:38That's what I want you to understand.
12:41You are not an addict.
12:42I want you to understand.
12:44I want to know why a man with a woman like that and a kid,
12:48and quite obviously more brain cells than most people who come out here or on this stuff,
12:53can decide on a Monday to take it and then not take it for another six weeks
12:57and potentially, in making those decisions, mess up the best thing ever.
13:03Why?
13:03What is it that drags you to do that?
13:05That's what I want to know.
13:06What is it?
13:06I don't know.
13:07The past, a relationship, a lack of...
13:09What?
13:10I don't really know.
13:11I really don't know why I do it.
13:12You know what it's going to do to your life.
13:13Yeah, I know what it's going to do to my life.
13:15It's going to ruin it.
13:15When you're going out, right, when you go to the bank with your card to get the money,
13:19you know on that walk, right, you know, oh my God, this is a disaster.
13:23But you can't stop yourself.
13:24Yeah, that's what it's like.
13:25Then you start taking the drugs.
13:26You get off your face.
13:28And then you have to crawl back and say sorry.
13:31Well, basically, yeah.
13:34This time he told me up front.
13:35Now, if it was any other time.
13:37What, he told you he was going to go and do it?
13:39No, no, he told me.
13:40I said a lying to her like I did.
13:42It was before, months and months, like last year, I was really, really bad on cocaine.
13:47When I was working, I used to just spend loads and loads of money on it all the time.
13:53I don't want to tell you because your business will probably send you straight through the ceiling.
13:56When you take the money out the cash point or you nick it or you blag it and you're off your
14:01face on coke because you've decided to do that.
14:03This is what I want you to think about during the break.
14:05What happens if your kid's in hospital and they can't get hold of you?
14:08What if your kid has an accident?
14:10What happens if a dad off his face causes something to happen to the mother or the daughter?
14:16That's what I'm trying to say to you.
14:18I know.
14:18It's a choice and your choices need to change.
14:22Back after the break.
14:23Don't go anywhere.
14:24I spoke to drug dealers for him.
14:27Stopped serving him.
14:28And one little mug mugged me right off because they served him and I was raped by it.
14:34The mother of your four-year-old child has to phone drug dealers to warn them of selling to you.
14:41That is not what you should be doing in your life.
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15:21Welcome back before the break.
15:22Katie and Fraser.
15:23Fraser, I'll give you this, right?
15:24You knew it was going to happen.
15:24I look in your eyes when I'm talking to you like that because I want you to understand.
15:31It can't end well.
15:33Nothing's going to end well if I carry on.
15:35Nothing.
15:37There's a guy who wanted to be here, a friend of yours, an ex-addict.
15:41He's got so much, I think, constructive stuff to say.
15:44Let's get him out.
15:45Chris is on the Jeremy Carl Show.
15:46Give him a round of applause.
15:54Fix up, bravo.
15:55Fix up.
15:56Fix up.
15:57Fix up.
15:58Fix up.
15:58Listen to me.
16:00You've got to be stronger than this.
16:02I got through this because of an hard family.
16:04I were addicted to wearing a crack 12 years.
16:07I'm five years clean.
16:08He can only get through.
16:09You know what I mean?
16:12I feel emotional.
16:13I feel emotional because he's living the life I've lived and it's horrible.
16:18I woke up every morning knowing that I couldn't go and see my children.
16:23I hated that.
16:24How did you change, Chris?
16:25Welcome to the show, by the way.
16:26Tough love.
16:26Thank you for coming on.
16:27Nice to meet you.
16:28Very good.
16:28Take a seat, pal.
16:29Seriously.
16:29Tough love.
16:30You say tough love, but what?
16:32She leaves him?
16:34I wouldn't say leave him, but she's got to give him the ultimatum at the end of the day.
16:39He's not going to do it.
16:40At the end of the day, it's like I said, he can't do it for her.
16:43He can't do it for his child.
16:44He's got to do it for himself.
16:45You did heroin for 12 years.
16:47You say, I can see this.
16:49Um, interestingly, and he makes quite an interesting point, and I've complimented you.
16:53He said, I think Katie knows what he is and what he's like, but she loves him and is blinded and
16:58needs to be further.
16:59But it's when he comes crawling back with all his sorry stories that she accepts that.
17:03You know what hurts me?
17:04The fact is, he's a good guy and he can do better for himself.
17:09When he said, Stephen, he does it because he's bored.
17:13I don't know about you, but when I had a four-year-old kid, I didn't have time to fart,
17:16let alone do anything else.
17:17He's a good dad.
17:23He is a good dad, I'll give you that.
17:25He is, he is.
17:25He could be a better dad.
17:26The times, I'm sorry, when you are on...
17:28I know I could.
17:29Well, then do so.
17:30When I'm on cocaine, I'm a scum.
17:31I know that.
17:32Who do you know I am?
17:33They're not pretty shaky, because I know I am.
17:35Just me.
17:36But when I'm not, when I'm sober, when I'm not on cocaine, I'm a good dad.
17:40But don't you think that you love your daughter enough, or don't you think she
17:42expects, or should expect more than you being off your head?
17:47No, that's why I'm here to do this for, to not get off my head, to do this.
17:51What if she hadn't rung the show, what would have happened?
17:52Well, I told her, I told her to ring the show.
17:55You'd have carried on.
17:56And I was like, what?
17:57You wanted to be here.
17:58You wanted me to ring the Jeremy McCarr show?
17:59She was gobsmacked, because I said I'd never come when he are.
18:02He wants the help, but I don't think he understands where to start finding it.
18:05All right, let's start that as an opening point.
18:07Let's get Graham on the Jeremy McCarr show.
18:08Give him a round of applause.
18:15Thank you, thank you.
18:16Can we, G, G, can I just, can we use that as a starting point?
18:21Is that all right?
18:22Really good point.
18:23Where does he go?
18:24Somebody like this, who is not addicted, chooses this drug.
18:28What, what do we do?
18:29Well, make, er, differentiate clearly here, and that is that you were an addiction.
18:34You are not an addiction.
18:36And, er, this, but you are creating a habit.
18:39And I found it very interesting when you said to Jeremy, you don't know how I feel.
18:45Then tell us how you feel.
18:46Well, I do tell you, I feel well, it's just, it's just when I'm not doing nothing, I've
18:51not got my mind occupied on something, or, that's what it's like.
18:56It's just like, if it's easy to get it, I'll get it.
19:00But that doesn't explain to me how you feel at that time.
19:03I don't really know how I feel at that time.
19:05I just feel like I just want to get it, and get it, and stick it, and then, and that's
19:10it, just for the fire, just for the buzz.
19:11This is how bad it is, yeah.
19:13I spoke to drug dealers for him to stop serving him, and one little mug mugged me right off
19:19because they served him, and I would rape about it.
19:23I'd have phoned the police and said this man sells drugs, arrest him.
19:29Once my partner has told me.
19:30Could I, could I just say something, Graham, could I, sorry, just very quickly.
19:33Sorry.
19:34Just in a calm way.
19:35How does that sound?
19:36The mother of your four-year-old child has to phone drug dealers to warn them off selling
19:42to you.
19:43That is not what you should be doing in your life.
19:46No, it's not in there.
19:47And Graham makes a really good point.
19:48He was an addict, you're not, do something about it.
19:52He's fully aware about what he should not be doing, okay?
19:55But what I'm trying to get across to you is, why?
19:58That's the important question, isn't it?
19:59And that's why I asked you that question, how do you feel?
20:03We need to find out why you are doing it, don't we?
20:06And you yourself don't know why, other than you feel bored at that time.
20:11Is it because you have low mood?
20:13Is that one of the reasons why you use it?
20:14Sometimes, yeah.
20:15It's like when I'm anxious and that and all and like on edge and just makes me feel normal.
20:20It makes me feel normal, okay.
20:22But the drug doesn't.
20:23But that's what it makes me feel like though.
20:26It makes me feel like I'm normal.
20:28I don't even like taking that's the point and I don't even get it.
20:31But let's go back to why.
20:33Why do I do it?
20:34That's the important question.
20:36You say you don't know why.
20:38So we need to look at why and that is, are you suffering from low mood?
20:43Do you have low confidence levels?
20:46Do you have low energy levels?
20:48What is the reason that you are using it?
20:51Once we find the reason, then we can progress forward.
20:55But that's where the question is, why do I use it?
21:00Yeah.
21:01Accessibility.
21:01It's too easy to get hold of.
21:03That's what I mean, that's what I'm saying.
21:04It's too easy to get hold of.
21:06Yeah, but whether you can get hold of it doesn't reason to why you go out and actually get it.
21:09Graham's right.
21:10Why do you get it?
21:11Why do you go and do it?
21:12What are you lacking in your life that means that you turn to it?
21:15From my perspective, and I hope you feel the same way, you don't feel proud about what you do.
21:20You don't feel proud about taking your partner's bank card and going spending 150 pounds.
21:25I don't even feel proud about when I used to spend my money on it.
21:29I don't feel proud about anything what I've done in my life.
21:31OK, so that's why we need to address this.
21:33But we're never going to address it until we ask the question, why?
21:36Do you hate yourself?
21:36Once we get the answer to that, we can progress this forward.
21:39Why do you hate yourself?
21:40You've got a beautiful question.
21:41That's the thing I never get.
21:45You've just said to me, you hate yourself.
21:47You've got a beautiful kid.
21:48You've got a beautiful missus.
21:49You've patently got more about you.
21:50Yeah, but that's nothing to do with them if I hate myself.
21:53Why do you hate yourself?
21:54Because of the stuff that I've done.
21:55But then if you change doing that, if you change the way that you live your life,
22:01with help from somebody like Graham, and you change your whole perception, to me, right,
22:08you don't like yourself.
22:09Graham talks about a low mood, so you take these drugs.
22:12They don't do anything for you.
22:13You've said that.
22:13And interestingly, as Grace said to me this morning before we came on air,
22:16you can make that decision.
22:18If you can make that decision, which is where you were very different,
22:22that sort of gives us a little bit more hope.
22:24But it needs to give you the belief that you can change this.
22:27And don't just throw the towel in and go, I'm a waste of space, I'm scum.
22:31You came in knowing what was going to happen, and fair play to you as well.
22:35She said that you were behind the situation.
22:36I didn't know that.
22:37I thought it was you.
22:38No, it was me.
22:39I agree about the tough love.
22:40I agree about why.
22:42Just rest assured, however difficult this might appear to be,
22:46it's not going to be half as difficult as it was for somebody who was a full-blown addict.
22:49We have to change your choices, and we have to find out the reasons
22:52why you make what are poor and bad choices.
22:56Why is absolutely right.
22:57And if Graham can get to the root cause of that,
22:59you'll change the way that you behave.
23:01And that's the important thing.
23:03And at the end of the day, mate, listen,
23:05I've probably changed in doing this in 14 years, learning from this man.
23:08I did what I did because she asked, and I wanted to get a reaction,
23:13because all people who take drugs, you told me this, are quite defensive.
23:16But the real you is the person sat in front of us now.
23:19The real you is the guy who says, I don't know why.
23:21I don't feel great.
23:22I have low moods.
23:23I hate myself.
23:24We've got to change that, and we will, with his help.
23:26What do we need to do?
23:27APPLAUSE
23:29We need to do a full inventory, really.
23:34We need to find out why, OK?
23:36And that will take some time to do that.
23:38But anybody in your position who are using substances,
23:45and they choose not to use those substances, and they're looking for help,
23:49you can always self-refer to a drug and alcohol agency
23:52that's probably in your area where you live.
23:55So you can do things that you can help yourself, is what I'm saying.
24:00So the best thing we can do is sit down, have that chat,
24:03carry out an inventory with you, and find out what the reasons are.
24:07And respect to you as well, Pat.
24:11I really appreciate it.
24:14Be firm, be hard, and work with this man, OK?
24:17We'll ask the four of you to go that way.
24:18Give me a round of applause. Thank you.
24:20CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:21I'd like to let you know I'm back after this break. Don't go anywhere.
24:26How can he be the father if he's strapped up?
24:28How does that work?
24:29This is because anything can happen, can't it, really?
24:31He used a condom.
24:32I can't remember if I did or not.
24:34CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:36You know, no matter what the result is, that little boy's mine.
24:40CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:45CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:47CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:49You might remember my next guest, Vicky,
24:52from a previous encounter on this very stage.
24:54Take a look at this, my friends.
24:55CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:57How old's the kid?
24:58He's two.
24:59Why now?
25:02Because it's not fair on Roman, to be quite honest.
25:05He's that young.
25:07He needs to know who his dad is, basically.
25:09So how much of a gap was there between the two, without being rude?
25:13Erm, not much.
25:14You're so sweet, what she said. Listen to this, people.
25:16We are so close. We're good friends.
25:17I see a future with me and Steve,
25:19and if the kid's his, we can be a happy family.
25:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
25:24So if the baby's yours, might we have, like, a romantic, happy ending?
25:29Yes. Whichever way.
25:30Well, then tell each... You're going to...
25:31Oh!
25:32Whichever way. Whichever way, whether he's mine or the other,
25:36we'll still carry on.
25:37You said that if this child is yours, it would cement a relationship.
25:41You also said that this woman means a lot to you either way.
25:45The DNA test results say that Steve...
25:48I'm sorry, pal, you're not the child's biological father.
25:51And I am truly sorry, because I thought you would be.
25:55Erm...
25:56APPLAUSE
25:59Following on from that, Vicky's back today for a second DNA test
26:02on a two-year-old son after admitting, after the show,
26:05that there was a third potential father, Eddie,
26:08who's here today to get the truth.
26:10So we'll get her back out, because this is the second time.
26:14Vicky's on the Jeremy Kyle Show. Give her a round of applause.
26:16APPLAUSE
26:22How are you?
26:23Hi.
26:24I always try and be honest, I don't want you to take this the wrong way.
26:27I'm really grateful that you're back, but I am going to be candid with you.
26:29You came last time, you said it's between two people,
26:33you are in a relationship or were that wasn't great, let's just say,
26:39and suddenly this guy that you meet in the pub, Steve, is the father,
26:42we'll get together, we're going to live happily ever after.
26:45No, he's not, uh-uh.
26:46And now you've discovered another one, who you're now with,
26:49and it smacks to us a bit of the same as last time.
26:53Mm, I understand what you're saying.
26:54How can you suddenly think of a third one?
26:56You must have laughed at us, because...
26:58No, no, no, not at all.
26:59..you don't forget having sex, do you?
27:01No, God, no.
27:03Well, then you must have known... What's this one called, Eddie?
27:05Eddie, yeah.
27:06Why didn't you mention him last time?
27:07But I didn't think it was relevant, because I used protection with him.
27:10So, you know...
27:13Oh, it says here, I had a one-night stand, and he used a condom.
27:16Yeah.
27:17So he can't be the dad?
27:19And it wasn't Steve, so why don't you just accept the fact
27:21that it's with the bloke that you're with or not with,
27:23that you don't want it to be, because you don't get on?
27:25Why... I mean, to us, I'm not being horrible.
27:28It's like you're trying to pin it, not pin it.
27:30It's like you're desperately wanting it to be anybody,
27:32other than the bloke that it most definitely probably is.
27:34That's what we're thinking.
27:36No, it's not that at all.
27:38Well, how can he be the father if he's strapped up?
27:40How does that work?
27:42Because anything can happen, can't it, really?
27:44What?
27:44The condom can break, can't it?
27:46Then why didn't you say that last time?
27:49Because I didn't think it was really fun. Sorry.
27:52So tell me about you and Steady Eddie.
27:53Are you together?
27:54We are, yeah.
27:55How long's that been going on for?
27:57Not that long.
27:58So what's happened to Steve?
27:59Oh.
28:00I've got a statement from him.
28:02No, not you.
28:03After the show, Vicky and I went our separate ways.
28:05She admitted she also slept with Eddie around the time her son was conceived.
28:08Makes me, frankly, question how many men she did sleep with.
28:11I hope for her son's sake she gets the DNA results one day that she wants.
28:16Anyway, this is the second time you've been here.
28:19Eddie was a one-night stand who used a condom.
28:21Yeah.
28:22I repeat, I'm not having a go.
28:23You thought it was Steve.
28:25You don't want it to be number two because you're number two.
28:27It's not going very well.
28:28We think it's wishful thinking, but we'll do this for you anyway.
28:31For Roman's sake, Eddie's on the Jeremy Carr show.
28:33That way.
28:42Why have you come on national television
28:44to find out if you're going to be a father when you used a condom?
28:47I can't remember.
28:47It was about three years ago now.
28:49Right, that was obviously enjoyable.
28:52Welcome to the show, Ed.
28:54Now, can you explain to me, in the context of where we were
28:58when we last saw Vicky, she was here with Steve,
29:02did you have any idea at that moment?
29:03How has it come to be that suddenly you're in the frame, Ed?
29:08She told me a few weeks ago.
29:11Is this after the show?
29:12Yeah, that I could have been the potential father of Roman.
29:16But not before the show?
29:17No, because I never knew.
29:19And then as soon as she took me around and told me,
29:20she mentioned about coming on the show and doing the DNA with you.
29:23Yeah.
29:23To find out.
29:25As soon as she mentioned that, I said, well, it's only two years old.
29:28Let's get it done now, because I'll...
29:30But how can you be the father?
29:31You used a condom.
29:32I can't remember if I did or not.
29:37Did he?
29:38He did, yeah.
29:39He was probably too drunk to remember.
29:40There he is.
29:42Um, are you going to stay together or is...
29:44I mean, last time you said you were going to stay with Steve.
29:47One...
29:48One million percent.
29:49Steve!
29:50I ain't going nowhere.
29:51No matter what the result is, that little boy's mine.
29:54I don't care.
29:55You've only been with us three weeks.
29:57Yeah, I know.
29:57How can he be yours?
29:58I've known him a long time.
29:59I've known Ricky for a long time.
30:01Yeah, but you've only...
30:02You've only bonded for two weeks.
30:05No, it's been on and off through the years as well.
30:07Used a condom, yeah?
30:09Yeah.
30:09Come on, I hope he is.
30:12The DNA test results show that, Eddie, this is a massive surprise.
30:15You are the child's body.
30:16Oh!
30:27Happy?
30:28Oh!
30:30Look, he's done.
30:30He's a good-looking...
30:40Don't cry, what's the father now?
30:41He's beautiful, isn't he?
30:43He is beautiful.
30:44So, he's your son.
30:46So, maybe you didn't use a condom.
30:48We did.
30:49You know what I'm saying now, don't you?
30:51You know what I'm saying now, don't you?
30:53Just say it split, not say anything.
30:54I wonder why that is.
30:56Anyway, happy?
30:58Yes, thank you.
30:59I'm sorry, because I thought you were nuts.
31:00Thank you so much.
31:01I'm very sorry.
31:02Very nice to meet you.
31:04Thank you very much.
31:05Give me a hand first.
31:07Good afternoon, my next guest today, Sandra says, despite...
31:15This is unbelievable.
31:16Despite being with her old man for 28 years,
31:19they've lived almost separate lives for the majority of the time,
31:21but stayed living together for the sake of their kids in a caravan.
31:25Sandra says she's sick of the way that her husband treats her,
31:27demands to know whether he's had an affair.
31:29Despite them not having a physical relationship, she says,
31:31I meant the vows I took when we got married,
31:34and I will be utterly furious if he's committed adultery.
31:38Bizarre.
31:39Sergeant of the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
31:41Oh, come on, move it up. Move it up. Move it up.
31:55It's fine. Come on. Come here.
31:57Sorry.
31:58Hey.
31:59You all right?
32:01Do you want to do this?
32:02Yeah.
32:03You all right to come out and talk to me?
32:05Promise? I'll look after you.
32:06I promise. All right?
32:07Give her a round of applause, there you go.
32:08There you go, there you go, there you go.
32:10There you go.
32:11All right, watch yourself.
32:12Watch yourself, there.
32:13Can I?
32:15Let's get on that side of the way, all right?
32:21Now, listen.
32:23I want you, look at me.
32:27I know it's difficult, and I know that this has gone on a long, long time,
32:31and probably the last place in the world you want to be is here,
32:34but I want you to tell me the story, and I want to hear it, okay?
32:37You met in school?
32:39Yeah.
32:41Love at first sight?
32:43Yeah.
32:44But you've been married for how long?
32:47Oh, 20 years now, I mean, 20 years.
32:54Two kids?
32:56Yeah.
32:58When did it start to go wrong?
33:00Because the story is quite, you know, it is, it's bizarre.
33:06I'm not saying that a physical relationship is the be-all and end-all,
33:09but you haven't been intimate with each other for 20 years.
33:13No.
33:14Why?
33:17We just fell, uh, drifted apart, I think.
33:22And just get used to staying together.
33:24You stayed living together.
33:25Yeah, get used to staying together.
33:26And it's weird, isn't it?
33:27Because you said to my team, and they were ringing me and saying,
33:29my God, you were saying, I cook, I clean, I do his washing,
33:32and he just shouts and calls me disgusting names.
33:35After the kids, the sex went.
33:37It was 20 years.
33:38He's put on weight.
33:39He always would work and come home late.
33:42I've always believed that he's messed around.
33:45I feel like he's slave.
33:47I'm sort of sick of it.
33:48I don't, I don't like what I've got myself into.
33:51And then a year becomes five, becomes ten, becomes half your life.
33:56Yeah.
33:57Why'd you come in now, babe?
33:59Why did you come in now?
34:00What, for what reason?
34:02Tell me.
34:03I just wanted to stop.
34:05I made a mistake.
34:07What?
34:07I made a mistake a while ago.
34:09Oh, you cheated on him?
34:10No, yeah, a while ago.
34:13But you told my team you took your vows seriously.
34:16You said, I want to know if he's cheated because I took my vows seriously.
34:19Well, you didn't because you cheated.
34:20Yeah, I did.
34:21So presumably the way you feel is because of the guilt you feel because of what you did.
34:26No, but he, he goes on and on and on about it.
34:31He just, he won't let it go.
34:33What happened?
34:33I mean, I was on, I was honest with him that something happened.
34:37Well, it doesn't make it right, does it?
34:38No, it doesn't make it right.
34:40What happened?
34:41I didn't have intercourse or anything.
34:44Oh, it was just a bit of, like, a bit of fun.
34:47Oh.
34:48Touching and that.
34:50You said, though, I will be furious if he's committed adultery.
34:54That's what you said to us, right?
34:55You don't have a right to be furious, do you?
34:57APPLAUSE
34:59Not nice.
35:00Well, yeah.
35:01He's not...
35:03How long ago did you cheat on him?
35:05Er...
35:08About seven, eight years ago.
35:10So that was after 12 years of nothing, being, feeling miserable.
35:14You're just torturing each other, aren't you?
35:16Why do you stay with him?
35:17Serious question.
35:18Why do you...
35:19Because he's got nowhere to go, and I haven't got nowhere to go.
35:23And I think there is something, I think, it's a friendship, I think.
35:29Yeah, I'm sure there is a friendship,
35:30but do you know there was something I was thinking about
35:32when I was reading this earlier?
35:33How much have you missed out on?
35:35How much of your life will you look back and say,
35:38oh, my God, maybe you both felt you were doing the right thing,
35:41but it can't be...
35:42The kids have gone, have they?
35:44No, no, they're still with us.
35:45What's it like for them?
35:47Er, it's not nice for them.
35:49Gonna get them out 48 years.
35:51You've been married for 28 years.
35:53You can only feel sympathy for both of you in a strange sort of way.
35:55Jason's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
35:57You're smiling and she's crying.
36:11Why are you smiling?
36:12Well, what's she done?
36:14She shouldn't have done it to me.
36:15Why did you stay with her then?
36:17Why didn't you go and sit and make it?
36:17I thought I loved her.
36:19Yeah, but when you found out...
36:20I talked about Wendy Rouse.
36:21Yeah, but when you...
36:21You what?
36:22I talked about Wendy Rouse.
36:23I thought she was the one.
36:25You don't do that, do you?
36:26But when she did the thing that you hated,
36:28why didn't you walk rather than stay and keep beating?
36:30Well, I ain't got nowhere else to go.
36:31So they keep beating her over the head with it, yeah?
36:33Yeah, yeah.
36:34It's hard as she beats me over the head with it, yeah.
36:36I've never cheated on my wife in my life.
36:38She was the cheat.
36:39It's her own guilty conscience.
36:41I went to work.
36:42She took care of the kids.
36:44My vows were for life.
36:45Yeah.
36:46This... I mean, I don't want to make...
36:48I'm being honest, Jase.
36:48I mean, I don't want to make it all about
36:50the physical side of a relationship,
36:52but you both look as miserable as Sid.
36:54We are, we are, we are.
36:57We are miserable.
37:00Cos I see, you know, that person, what she's done to me,
37:04it hurts me in the heart.
37:06You know, you don't take those vows...
37:08Still... Still after...
37:09You don't take those vows for nothing, do you?
37:12No.
37:13You don't take those vows for nothing, do you, Saj?
37:16Right?
37:17No.
37:17You've done that to me,
37:18and don't give me an excuse,
37:19cos I'm big as well, cos I know I'm big,
37:21and I'm doing the same thing about it.
37:24And if you push me away, Jase, you did push me away.
37:25I don't push you away, Sandra.
37:27You did push me away.
37:27No, no chance of that.
37:29You left me to get the kids,
37:29you left me to deal with everything.
37:31Cos I was working before I did.
37:33Even when you come on weekends,
37:34you never helped to do things.
37:35Yeah, cos I was tired, Saj.
37:36You were all right then,
37:37and what's telling you?
37:38No, no, no, no.
37:39You've never done nothing.
37:40No, no.
37:41Of course I've done things,
37:42cos I went to work.
37:43You keep calling me names over and over.
37:46Yeah, you keep calling me names as well, Saj.
37:48No, because you call me names,
37:49you never got me.
37:50No, no, no.
37:51It don't happen like that, Saj.
37:52You do.
37:53You keep going on about it.
37:54You just keep going on about it.
37:55I do admit, I wasn't a good husband at first.
37:57No, you ain't.
37:58No, I wasn't a good husband at first.
38:00Are you a good husband now?
38:03What's it done to your kids, team?
38:05Let's kill them,
38:07cos we keep arguing every night.
38:08It's not fair on them.
38:11No, the boy's upset.
38:13I know he can't be here.
38:14Yeah, but you give me dirty looks all the time.
38:15Cos I'm upset, Saj.
38:17Yeah, but I don't have to have that.
38:18Do either of you genuinely
38:20actually want to be in this relationship?
38:21No, not really, no.
38:23I just, you know, I just want to go apart.
38:26I care about him.
38:27No, I care about her.
38:28Anything that happens to her, I'll still be there.
38:32But you don't love her?
38:33Other than that.
38:34Have you cheated on her?
38:35No, never.
38:36Never.
38:36I've worked to her all my life.
38:38Your vows are important to you?
38:39Yeah, of course it is.
38:40I don't take them for nothing.
38:41No one does.
38:42So you haven't had sex for 20 years?
38:44No.
38:45No.
38:46No?
38:47We asked Jason, since the start of your relationship
38:48with Sandra, have you passionately kissed?
38:50Anyone else you said no?
38:50Why'd you say no?
38:51Tell the truth.
38:52Tess says you're a liar, pal.
38:53OOOOOOOOH!
38:58That's news to me.
38:59Is it?
39:00Yeah.
39:02Since the start of your relationship with Sandra,
39:03have you had sexual contact with anybody else?
39:05She said no, this test says you lied on that question as well.
39:07OOOOOOOOH!
39:08In fact, he lied on every question, including intercourse.
39:13Wow.
39:14Does it matter if you don't love each other, though?
39:15Why don't you tell her the truth, pal?
39:17No, I'll tell the truth.
39:17It's the fact that he's...
39:19Oh, I can't believe this.
39:20He's out of mind that we're all in this.
39:21Why did she fail, then, mate?
39:22I don't know.
39:23Something happened, didn't it?
39:24At some point.
39:25Come on.
39:26It's across 28 years.
39:27Nothing happened, no.
39:30No, nothing happened.
39:30Can I tell you something?
39:31Can I tell you something from 14 years of doing this?
39:34I think that piece of paper's irrelevant.
39:36I think that some people in relationships...
39:38I can't believe this.
39:39What do you mean you can't believe it?
39:40I just can't believe it's coming and fail.
39:42I ain't that one.
39:43Well, obviously, you were lying.
39:45This concept, lie detector, fail.
39:48I'm being serious when I say this.
39:50And I don't take any pleasure in saying this,
39:52because that's irrelevant.
39:54This is irreparable.
39:55It's making me ill.
39:57It's making me...
39:58Then, then, then go yourself.
40:00I want to forget the past.
40:02I want to forget it all.
40:03I want to forget it.
40:04I want to forget it all.
40:06I don't know you to go.
40:08Which one?
40:08Oh, God.
40:10But you know I'm only staying because I've nowhere to go.
40:13I ain't got nowhere to go, no.
40:14That's not the reason to stay, is it?
40:16No, no.
40:17It's not the reason to stay.
40:19Do you know that?
40:19Look at me.
40:20I don't...
40:21I'm not...
40:22I look at two really sad people and think...
40:25We are sad, yeah.
40:26..that you need help.
40:27Oh, no, no.
40:29That's...
40:29Give me a lot of help.
40:30Because where does it...
40:31Where does it end?
40:32I can't believe it.
40:34I just can't believe it.
40:37Well, you must have done it.
40:40You know, have you done something?
40:43You're not exactly in a position to have a go at it, though, are you?
40:47No, I know that.
40:48And I'm in the wrong way I've done.
40:49I don't use my advice.
40:52I don't use my own life.
40:53Oh, no, I've done something, but I ain't even only know about it.
40:57I can't believe this.
40:57I can't come back.
40:58What happened?
40:59Nothing happened.
41:00I'll tell you.
41:01I just went to work.
41:02No, I just went to work and come back for rides.
41:05This relationship, this marriage is wrong.
41:07Yeah, it is.
41:08It is, yeah.
41:09And I'm not being horrible.
41:10Yeah, I can't believe that.
41:11And the thought, I think the thought of walking away from something
41:16is far more frightening than the reality.
41:18You only get a short amount of time on this earth, people.
41:20Yeah, I know.
41:21And the opportunity to do something different,
41:23however scary, usually turns out to be a better opportunity.
41:27We'll work with you, all right?
41:29I promise you, we'll work with you.
41:30You go that way.
41:30We'll work with you.
41:31Thanks, George.
41:32You go that way.
41:32Thanks very much indeed.
41:35It's reality, isn't it?
41:36We'll work with him.
41:37We'll let you know.
41:37More after the break.
41:38Don't go anywhere.
41:39Right back.
41:39He slept with another woman when I was in bed upstairs,
41:43and he's given me an STI.
41:46Lorraine doesn't put out anymore, so where else am I going to get it?
41:51She precious me away.
41:53Since the study of Lorraine in 2012,
41:55apart from the three things you've admitted to,
41:57have you passed a kiss anymore?
41:58She said no.
41:58Why did you say no?
41:59First time to check.
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42:41Welcome to our next guest today.
42:42Lorraine is here to find out if a partner of 17 years
42:45has cheated on her with more than the two women he's already admitted to.
42:50She says that at the start of the relationship,
42:52she found out Robert was having an affair and just last year,
42:54he slept with another woman in their home while she was asleep upstairs.
42:59She says she's lost all confidence in brackets.
43:02I'm not surprised and hasn't slept with the fiance Robert for over six months in brackets.
43:06I'm not surprised open brackets.
43:07Don't think I'm not surprised is Lorraine.
43:09You haven't kicked his backside into touch by now.
43:11But there we go.
43:12I'm going to convince you to do it anyway.
43:14Lorraine's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
43:16Oh, I could have written your story in a million moments.
43:29What did it take to come here?
43:31Answer me that because that matters to me.
43:33What did it take for you to come out here in front of those people and sit here?
43:38You know the way you're treated by this bloke?
43:40It's not how you're supposed to be treated.
43:44And in life,
43:45I think that we only get treated the way we allow people to treat us.
43:52I know.
43:53Let me just read what you told my team for the people here.
43:56He's cheated on me a few times.
43:59I've had photos of him snogging another woman.
44:02He chats women up on a dating site online.
44:05I've seen messages saying I love you.
44:08We haven't been intimate.
44:10He slept with another woman when I was in bed upstairs.
44:13And he's given me an STI.
44:16I was actually in the next room.
44:17And he's given me an STI.
44:19I was actually in the next room.
44:21I was actually in the next room when he actually slept with her.
44:24I'll ask you a question.
44:26Why?
44:26And if you sit there and go,
44:27Because I love him.
44:31Why?
44:33I'm probably a mug, but...
44:35No, you're not.
44:36You're all right.
44:36And I'm going to get through to the all right part.
44:38This guy's worth jack.
44:39Do you understand that?
44:40I don't care what he says.
44:43You don't understand that.
44:44Because you're so...
44:47You're so wrapped up on the habit of being with him.
44:51You're so used to being with him,
44:53that you've, in a way,
44:57you've allowed yourself to be treated badly.
45:00And that's become the norm.
45:01When you were growing up,
45:02did you imagine that your Prince Charming,
45:04the man of your dreams,
45:05if that's what you can call him,
45:07would cheat on you,
45:08would give you a sexually transmitted disease,
45:10would lie to you,
45:12would deceive you?
45:13Is that what you wanted?
45:15No.
45:15Robert's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
45:17How are you so prolific with women?
45:28Don't know, Jeremy.
45:30Why'd you cheat on her then?
45:31I made a mistake.
45:32You made more than one mistake.
45:34Yeah, I agree.
45:35Why?
45:35I was stupid.
45:37When was the last time you cheated?
45:38Last year.
45:39Lorraine doesn't put out any more,
45:42so where else am I going to get it?
45:46She pushes me away.
45:47I'm not surprised.
45:49What do you want me to say?
45:50Why would she put out to a little toe rag
45:53who can't keep it in his trousers,
45:55who treats her the way you do?
45:56It's a good...
45:57Nice to that.
45:59Nice to that.
46:02You've got to...
46:03Yeah, I agree.
46:04I'm telling you it's about self-worth, babe,
46:06and you've got to think about yourself.
46:09If you've failed,
46:10Big Steve's got to have to stand in front of you,
46:12because I will literally drag you off that stage.
46:17Before the test, Rob admitted to sleeping
46:19with another woman behind Lorraine's back
46:22for over a year.
46:23You knew about this.
46:24You knew about it,
46:26but we always make the admissions.
46:28He also admitted to sleeping with a second woman
46:30on one occasion last year.
46:33You know about that?
46:35Next room?
46:36Yeah.
46:38But you don't know about this.
46:39Robert also admitted to sleeping with a third woman
46:41whilst him and Lorraine were on a break.
46:43Oh!
46:45Since the study of your relationship with Lorraine in 2012,
46:47apart from the three things you've admitted to,
46:49have you partially kissed anyone?
46:50She said no.
46:50Why did you say no?
46:51First time the truth.
46:52Were you?
46:53Yes.
46:53This is, you were lying.
46:54Oh!
46:57Blow me over, she looks shocked.
46:58He's failed every single question, love.
47:01Oh!
47:05Bobby, you're stupid.
47:07Cheated on water for you.
47:11Seriously.
47:12Who are you?
47:21I'm his cousin.
47:23Right.
47:23Hey, babe.
47:24I, um...
47:25Take a seat.
47:26I, um...
47:30Darling, I can't, um...
47:33Look, I'm only a human being.
47:35But this is always going to happen.
47:39You're trapped, to me, in this cycle of,
47:42he cheats, you forgive him, he crawls.
47:46Do you think he loves you?
47:47He says he does.
47:49Yeah, what he says and what he's obviously doing
47:51is two different things.
47:52You're worth more, darling, but nobody can make you real.
47:55He said he was going to pass, but...
47:56I know he said he was going to pass,
47:57because he swore doing a mess on.
47:59But you knew he was going to lie.
48:00You knew he was going to fail, didn't you?
48:03I said if he failed, he was...
48:05I said I'd get in both battles.
48:09You had a hate.
48:11Listen, we'll work with you, we'll support you,
48:12we always do, but I'm telling you this here and now.
48:15Until you work out how much more you're worth,
48:17that will continue and continue and continue
48:19and it will drag you down and down.
48:20Look at me.
48:21This is not what life's supposed to be about, all right?
48:24I'm out of time for today.
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48:26visit our website, the details on the screen.
48:28Thanks for watching, we'll see you very soon.
48:29Take care, bye-bye for now.
48:30You're all right.
48:35You're all right.
48:37That's all for now.
48:41Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:44All right.