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The Jeremy Kyle Show 24th September 2018

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00:00On today's show, George is here because he says he's 100% certain that his brother Alan is raising a baby that's not his.
00:08She'd had sex with a man twice to get back at him. You lot all believe that's when the baby was conceived.
00:14Yeah.
00:15You say has stolen money off the family, but he's also been convicted for fraudulently gaining money from old age pensions.
00:21Is that right?
00:22Yes, yes.
00:25Tell me what you just said. What did you say?
00:27I said nothing, Jeremy.
00:27You said you're going to headbutt him, yeah?
00:30You had sex with another man. Was that unprotected sex?
00:32Yes, it was, but I took precautions.
00:35I'll come here today to let the world know what you are like.
00:43The DNA test results show that Alan, how sure were you?
00:471,000%.
00:48Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:11All right, my first guest today, George is here because he says he's 100% certain that his brother Alan is raising a baby that's not his.
01:18He says he despises his brother and his girlfriend Leona, whom he says is a known serial cheat and even claims the pair are con artists who have robbed thousands of pounds from the family.
01:28Today, George says, I'm going to expose them both. I'm going to prove to him he's not the dad. He's being taken for a mug. I'm sorting it out.
01:35George is on the Jeremy Kyle show. That way.
01:38CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:40CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:45CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:49He's still looking younger there, isn't he?
01:51Sorry?
01:52He's still looking younger than you are ten years ago.
01:53Brilliant.
01:54Brilliant.
01:55LAUGHTER
01:56Hold on. I would like to just try...
01:59Just like Jeremy Kyle always says, shut it while he's talking.
02:03CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:05CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:07You were on the line detector last time. You failed it, didn't you?
02:11Ooooooh!
02:12Ooooooh!
02:13Ooooooh!
02:14I'm trying.
02:15You're not putting my mum...
02:16I'm telling you that. You're going...
02:18My dad is 86. You putting me in the grave, you follow.
02:22What?
02:23Yes, please.
02:24Come on.
02:25Ooooooh!
02:26Ooooooh!
02:27Yeah!
02:28Sorry, Jeremy, but I'm just...
02:30Sorry.
02:33All right.
02:34Be quiet!
02:35Shut up!
02:36Shut up!
02:37Shut up!
02:38Shut up!
02:39You were here ten years ago when I looked a lot older than I do now,
02:45but I'm not going to why.
02:47You were here ten years ago for a completely different story.
02:49Ten years later, we welcome you back.
02:51George, 46.
02:52My brother is a con artist and his girlfriend's a serial cheat.
02:56Today we're doing DNA on their baby because you say it's utterly true
02:59that he's not the father and also a con artist.
03:02Let's talk first about Alan, why you have this hatred.
03:06Let's talk about it.
03:07Let's get some detail before he starts slagging you off.
03:09Come on.
03:10Well, apparently we all thought he was his child, but we've seen photos.
03:16They had a break, didn't they?
03:17In the time there was a break, somebody bumped into her in the chip shop,
03:20very elegant, and apparently she had sex with a man twice to get back at him.
03:25You lot all believe that's when the baby was conceived.
03:28Yes, but it was not to get back at him because my brother never cheated on her, so...
03:32But why are you on national television going,
03:34that baby's not yours, I'll prove that to you?
03:36Why wouldn't you say, bro, look, we're here for you?
03:38Why the angst?
03:39Why are you so angry with this guy?
03:41He's a con artist, you say?
03:42Yeah, he's a con artist.
03:43He almost owes about 48 grand.
03:4648 grand?
03:47Yes, that is to me mum.
03:49We've come up to me mum and dad's...
03:51Let's put this into perspective because it's difficult for some people
03:54when you come on television and I accept that.
03:56This man who's been shouting this morning,
03:58you say has stolen money off the family,
04:00but he's also been convicted for fraudulently gaining money
04:04from old age pensioners, is that right?
04:06Yes, yes.
04:07And he went to prison for that.
04:08So that, you see that immediately in terms of the audience,
04:11that paints a picture, doesn't it?
04:12Yeah, it's all true.
04:13So you don't really respect him who would,
04:16and you also think, strangely, in converse,
04:19he's been taken for a mug by his girlfriend.
04:21Oh, yeah.
04:22Why don't you just wash your hands of him if he's such a lowlife,
04:25that he'd nick off vulnerable people?
04:27Why would you have anything to do with him?
04:29Right.
04:30You don't speak.
04:32Right.
04:33You say he's rinsed your family for thousands.
04:35Yes.
04:36He's made you lot look like mugs.
04:38Yeah.
04:39In a way, if he's done that and he's been made a mug by her,
04:43does that make you please?
04:44I mean, you say, I'll be laughing all the way home
04:46if it comes back he's not the dad,
04:47because he needs to know how he makes other people feel.
04:50So you're out to humiliate him today.
04:52Oh, yeah.
04:53Hey, you've got to be the Jeremy Kyle one bit too,
04:55because I ain't going to let him go the way you are.
04:57I wish Alan wasn't my brother.
04:58We've never seen it either.
04:59He's a crook and a liar.
05:00Yes.
05:01Just quickly before we bring him out.
05:02The girlfriend, Leona.
05:03The one that you see is cheating.
05:04The Mogadon.
05:05The what?
05:06The Mogadon.
05:07Mogadon?
05:08Mogadon, yeah.
05:10What's that?
05:11That's a pill you take if you want to sleep, isn't it?
05:13No.
05:14I use it because I've got to respect you.
05:16You don't like the word, the S, the S, you know.
05:19What were you going to say to them what Mogadon is?
05:21My mother used to take them to sleep.
05:23What are you doing, man?
05:24I'd call them because they bore me to sleep.
05:26It's like her.
05:27Well, what is she?
05:28Shut up.
05:29What's her proper name?
05:30Use her.
05:31She's a s**t.
05:37She's a cheat.
05:38She's a liar.
05:39George, she's what?
05:40A liar?
05:41Anyway, I'm getting him out because I've got a headache.
05:43Al's in grey today.
05:44Have a good time.
05:45Alan's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
05:47I'm getting him out.
05:48What did you just say?
05:49Stand up and tell me what you just said.
05:50I said nothing, Jeremy.
05:51You said you're going to headbutt him, yeah?
05:52Me?
05:53Well, that's good because that's just gone out on national television.
05:54You idiots that sit down and don't make threats, all right?
05:55It's your pen like this is true, though.
05:56Lower yourself to that level, then.
05:57Level more, you know what?
05:58Right.
05:59Do you go to work?
06:00What do you do?
06:01What do you do for me?
06:02I'm going to work.
06:03I'm going to work.
06:04I'm going to work.
06:05I'm going to work.
06:06I'm going to work.
06:07I'm going to work.
06:08I'm going to work.
06:09I'm going to work.
06:10I'm going to work.
06:11I'm going to work.
06:12That level, then.
06:13Level more, you know what?
06:14Right.
06:15Do you go to work?
06:16What do you do?
06:17What do you do for me?
06:18Hold on a second, Mr Morality.
06:19Go on.
06:20You went to prison for fraudulently getting money off LAPs.
06:23That's right.
06:24So why are you sat there?
06:25I'm going to go to anybody else.
06:26Right.
06:27But don't tell you that you're in prison, is he?
06:28Yeah?
06:29I did my mistakes.
06:30I did the crime.
06:31I've done the time, Jeremy.
06:32I've come out a better person.
06:33I've met Leona.
06:34Who's cheated on you?
06:35No, she hasn't cheated on me.
06:36But that's what he's saying.
06:37That's what he's heard.
06:38Are all these people jealous of your relationship with Leona?
06:41Yeah, because me and Leona's got a...
06:42Me and Leona's like that, all right?
06:43Right.
06:44I love my son so much, George.
06:45How old is your son?
06:46Well, he might not be your son.
06:4716 months.
06:48What?
06:4916 months.
06:5016 months.
06:51Yeah.
06:52I love him with all my heart.
06:53And you, now I do, George.
06:54What if he's not yours?
06:55If he's not mine, it doesn't matter.
06:56I'll take him on his own.
06:57Right.
06:58I love him so much, Jeremy.
06:59I'll even cut my right arm off for him.
07:00I love him.
07:01I love him so much.
07:02I love him so much, Tony.
07:03You know that.
07:04And what makes me laugh, though, George?
07:05You're there going...
07:06You're there going, George.
07:07No, no, no.
07:08No, no, no.
07:09Listen, listen.
07:10Right.
07:11If you love your son, right?
07:12Our family brought him a car like a...
07:14Yeah, go on.
07:15Why are we going on about this car?
07:16That's right.
07:17I'm here.
07:18I'm here for my son.
07:19I'm not bothered about...
07:20I'm not bothered about you...
07:21She's saying it's your son.
07:23Right.
07:24Is he your son?
07:25Where are the doubts?
07:26Be quiet about the bloody car.
07:27Right.
07:28Right.
07:29The doubts have come from their side.
07:31The doubts haven't come from me, Jeremy, at all.
07:32The doubts have come from that side.
07:33But you've conned them all out of money.
07:3548 grand, apparently.
07:37I'd like to know where 48 grand's come from, George.
07:39Why weren't you paying back?
07:40You've had all the bad spanking.
07:41You've had two cars from the show, rude.
07:43Oh, right.
07:44Two cars.
07:45Right.
07:46This has got...
07:47Right.
07:48End of day.
07:49My mum and dad.
07:50My mum and dad has helped me out.
07:52Yeah, I hold my hands up, George.
07:53I do owe my mum money.
07:54How much?
07:55Me?
07:56I bet you're talking, what?
07:57In total, about...
07:59Wait, tell me.
08:00About 20 grand, George?
08:01Are they over my mum and dad?
08:02Well, that's a...
08:03That's a...
08:04What did my mum and dad say?
08:05Sorry, do you think that's acceptable?
08:07No, we knew it was my judge.
08:08No.
08:09That's the end of the year.
08:10The man who found the right way to go when he committed the crime.
08:13Right.
08:14Why don't you go to work and pay him back?
08:16I do go to work.
08:17You'll pay him back then.
08:19Then you've got to realise, right?
08:21You've got to realise...
08:23What about Mark?
08:24What about Mark?
08:25Who is...?
08:26Mark is the brother-in-law, right?
08:28Yeah.
08:29And he's turned around and said to me, and I've actually heard it myself...
08:32He's watching this.
08:33That's Mark.
08:34I'm glad he's watching it.
08:35I'm coming in today to let the world know what you are like.
08:38You are like...
08:39Am I?
08:40So you're telling me then that Mark can't tell money after my mum?
08:42You're a con artist.
08:43I'm a con artist.
08:44You're a con artist.
08:45I'm a con artist.
08:46Can I tell you something?
08:47Go on.
08:48Right.
08:49Just say it!
08:50Just say it, George!
08:51Come on!
08:52I'm telling you something like that.
08:54That man who...
08:56The same old man...
08:57He's helped me out loose, George.
08:58I'm going to be able to buy...
08:59He's helped me out loose, yes.
09:00You took off him.
09:01If me, you owe your parents 20 grand.
09:02Frankly, you should pay it back.
09:03You're right.
09:04There's a bloke over there in a wheelchair, not a wheelchair,
09:07everything with that.
09:08He owes more than that.
09:09Shut up!
09:10He owes him money as well.
09:11He's on later.
09:12You're with 23-year-old Leona.
09:13You say they're making up.
09:14The kid's not yours.
09:15You love your kid.
09:16I do.
09:17You cut your right arm off.
09:18Would that be a summary of the mess I've been watching for the last 10 minutes?
09:21Yeah?
09:22Yeah.
09:24Is the baby yours?
09:28Yes.
09:29Is the baby is?
09:30Yes.
09:31Are you 1,010% sure?
09:32Yes, I am.
09:33Yes, I am.
09:34Yes, I am.
09:35No, ever, ever.
09:36Still offer an innocent baby.
09:39I started this show 13 years ago and I wanted to help men fight to see their children.
09:49I'm going to do everything I can to make sure he sees his kid.
09:54Hello, mate.
09:55Be good for her, yeah?
09:56To help addicts change their lives.
09:58There is nothing in the world that is a better option than this.
10:01We'll get an intervention that will help you cope.
10:04To give victims an important voice.
10:07Listen what you do to me.
10:09I'm going to make sure this boy has as much help and as much support and you can do whatever
10:14you want.
10:15To reunite families.
10:16Hello.
10:17For 39 years you haven't seen a Karens on the Jeremy Giles go that way.
10:23And of course, as you know, I believe that everybody should know who their dad is.
10:27He's your dad.
10:29He's your dad.
10:33I don't know about you, but I think we're doing a pretty good job.
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10:57Thank you very much and welcome out until the break.
11:03George and Alan, brothers.
11:04George came out and said, my brother's a con artist.
11:0720 grand to my parents.
11:0848 grand in total.
11:093 grand to my brother-in-law, Mark.
11:11This guy's a con artist.
11:12And by the way, the woman he's with, doesn't matter about the age range.
11:15She's a liar.
11:16They've got a kid.
11:17It's not even his.
11:18We're doing a DNA.
11:19You came out and said, it is my child.
11:21Just because I've made...
11:22Why do you look so smug, you con artist?
11:24You have stolen off an old man.
11:26You have been to prison.
11:27You do owe your parents.
11:29Which I do owe my parents.
11:30Well, I'm not going to lie.
11:31Why don't you pay them back then?
11:32Which...
11:33Why don't you pay them back then?
11:34Because my mum and dad, I'll say to them, I'm going to pay you back.
11:36But they turn around and say, pay me back when you're good and ready, because I'm in no rush.
11:40What do you make of Leona, the girl he's with, the mother of the child that you say is and is?
11:45What did you call her earlier?
11:46Mogadon.
11:47Mogadon.
11:48And what's one of them?
11:49What's one of them?
11:50It's a sleeping tablet.
11:51What's one of them?
11:53You called her a...
11:54What did you call her?
11:55I called her...
11:56What is it?
11:57Because she slept with...
11:58Apparently, I've got five witnesses.
12:01Yeah, I'm deaf.
12:02I have balance bubbles.
12:03Five witnesses?
12:04Right.
12:05All right.
12:06Alan, put the phone down or let deaf and dumb...
12:08By my language, I'm sorry about that.
12:10Now...
12:11George.
12:12Is she lying?
12:13Is she a con artist?
12:14Does she cheat?
12:15She's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
12:16She's called Leona that way.
12:17Well done.
12:23Shit, man!
12:24Shut up.
12:25You know that he's lying.
12:27He's saying...
12:28No, he's saying he's about 20...
12:31George, we're not...
12:32Are we here about that?
12:33We're not here about that.
12:34We're sorry, hold on a minute.
12:35George, you've had your say.
12:36You have as well.
12:37It's a great car show.
12:38Important you put your side.
12:39Have you cheated on him?
12:40No, I haven't.
12:41But you told her to blow down the chip shot you had.
12:42110% I haven't cheated on my partner.
12:44110%?
12:46What does that mean?
12:47Sorry, one second.
12:48What does that mean?
12:50Just...
12:51I'm certain I haven't cheated.
12:52I'm just going to do a little lesson for everybody watching.
12:53I wasn't great at mathematics.
12:55Percentage 0 to 100.
12:57We can't do this 110.
12:59That's a wrong way, mate.
13:00100 maximum.
13:01Apparently, according to him,
13:02you were wartsing around the town saying,
13:04proud of the fact you cheated on him.
13:06Cheated twice.
13:07That's what you told us, right?
13:08Yeah.
13:09When were this?
13:10We don't know.
13:11We weren't there.
13:12Did you cheat on him?
13:14You're not cheating on him.
13:15No.
13:16See, your eyes are different.
13:17You did have sex with somebody, didn't you?
13:18No.
13:19Come on, when you split up.
13:20No.
13:21When me and my partner wasn't together, yes.
13:23When we wanted to get out of this.
13:25Why?
13:26How soon after you split up with Big Al, was it that you...
13:30How soon was it that you had sex with somebody else?
13:34About two and a half weeks after.
13:36Well, that was a little rubbish, actually.
13:38That's quite a result on this show.
13:40Usually it's about two and a half hours.
13:42That is a rubbish.
13:43Wait, I'm talking to her.
13:44Stop smelling your armpits, but also...
13:47So, you and Al, and you're right to have your sight.
13:51Absolutely.
13:52You're right.
13:53You had a problem in the relationship.
13:55You split up.
13:56How long did you split up for?
13:57We were split up till November.
13:59From when?
14:00From the 20th of July till...
14:03Towards the end of November.
14:04So, at some point in August, you had sex with another man.
14:07Was that unprotected sex?
14:09Yes, it was, but I took precautions.
14:11Oh!
14:12Did you use anything?
14:15No, but I went to the chemist and got the morning after pill.
14:19You are absolutely, you tell my team, 1,000% sure that Alan is the father.
14:24My baby's father.
14:25Now, there seem to be two issues.
14:26If we can just bring it down, because George has done very well.
14:28As he pointed out, he's got a hearing aid, and he's come out here,
14:30and he's defending his parents' honour, and I like that.
14:32Yeah.
14:33There seems to be this whole thing about the family
14:34as saying that the kid isn't Alan's,
14:36but what's really interesting is that this family hate this man
14:38because they call him a con artist, and in fact, you're as bad,
14:41because Mark, who's out the back...
14:43Yep.
14:44You two borrowed £3,500 of him, didn't you?
14:47Yes.
14:48Why haven't you paid it back? Not you.
14:49Why haven't you paid it back?
14:50Just because I don't get no money to pay him back.
14:52No, no, no, no.
14:53You haven't got any money to pay...
14:55No, no, no.
14:56Be quiet!
14:57Three days a week?
14:58Shut him up!
14:59Wait!
15:00Sorry.
15:01You can't just borrow money off somebody and not give it back.
15:05How do you manage?
15:06How are you going to pay him back is what I'm asking?
15:09How do you manage, in the end, to pay this man back?
15:13How are you going to do...?
15:14You get out here as well.
15:15How are you going to pay him back?
15:16Move out of the way. Move.
15:18How are you going to pay him back?
15:20You've got to pay somebody back when you borrow money.
15:25Come on.
15:26What are you going to do before, do you?
15:27He nearly died twice.
15:28He's been teared down and operated.
15:30And this is how you pick this man who's over too well.
15:47You're a scum.
15:48You're a liar.
15:49He nearly died.
15:50Right, did I turn around and say to you, Mark, that I do owe you the money?
15:54Did I say it on the phone?
15:55How long ago?
15:56Did I say it?
15:57How long ago?
15:58Right.
15:59It was long ago.
16:00And what did I say to you?
16:01I want to see the loan agreement.
16:02So how come I've not seen the loan agreement?
16:04You took the money!
16:05Why didn't you take the money before there was a loan agreement?
16:08I wanted to pay you the money.
16:09You can clap as much as you won't, Mark.
16:11Right.
16:12You can clap as much as you won't, Mark.
16:13No.
16:14So how come you said to us you even wanted the money you wanted us to pay us you £200 and
16:21some of the pound a mum.
16:22Plus you wanted our baby's money as well.
16:24Why did I want your baby's money?
16:25Because you didn't.
16:26You might not be your baby.
16:27Whoa, whoa, whoa.
16:28No.
16:29What?
16:30Might not be your baby.
16:31It's my turn.
16:32Sorry, can I just very calmly ask you, you lent the money?
16:34I did, sir, yes.
16:35And I've got a receipt in there that we've all signed.
16:39It's in the front.
16:41Little piece of paper.
16:42No, that's a can of Coke.
16:44LAUGHTER
16:50Look at all that!
16:51It's strange!
16:53It's strange!
16:54It's strange!
16:57Be strong.
16:58Go, Jazzy.
16:59Go, Jazzy.
17:02Whether there was a signed agreement or not, could I just say something to you very calmly
17:05before I have a breakdown?
17:06You took off your brother-in-law, or borrowed, £3,500 to pay debts.
17:12Right, yes.
17:13To pay debts.
17:14You accept that he gave you the money.
17:15Right.
17:16Why don't you pay him back, then?
17:17I want to pay him back.
17:18But you can't afford to?
17:19Don't borrow it in the first place, then.
17:21APPLAUSE
17:22What?
17:23I didn't say that, did I?
17:24You just said it.
17:25No, I didn't say that.
17:26You're going wrong.
17:27I want to see the loan agreement.
17:28Can I move it away from the money and bring you back in, Leona?
17:29But certainly you, Mark.
17:30What's your view?
17:31It strikes me that George, and I'm not being disrespectful, out of love and loyalty to
17:44his parents, is defending the situation about the money.
17:47I get that.
17:48And you've a personal situation there.
17:50What's your view on this child?
17:51It's almost like, I don't know whether George and the family are using this.
17:54Hear me out.
17:55To beat him over the head because they're angry about the money.
17:58What's your view about this child?
17:59My view, Jeremy, and the others, obviously, I can't believe you actually take off your
18:04mum and dad.
18:05But getting back to Leighton, when have I ever said to you guys that I don't believe the
18:10one minute is yours?
18:11When have I ever said that?
18:12Right, I'll stop you there.
18:13When, right, when me and Leona, right, what, right.
18:16Sorry, can I say something?
18:17You told my team this morning you're only 50-50.
18:1950-50?
18:20Yeah, because...
18:21Right, you tell Mark, you tell Mark what Mark said to you when you sat on the wall with your
18:26And you tell Mark, you tell Mark what he said to you.
18:29Yeah, for a ride.
18:30About when he sat on that wall, where you think, what did he get to see you?
18:33He's got that big round, hasn't he?
18:36Now, you've all died later, since me being pregnant with him.
18:40Is the baby yours?
18:42Yes.
18:43Is the baby is?
18:44Yes.
18:45Are you 1,010% sure?
18:47Yes, I am.
18:48Now that...
18:49Take a look at that beautiful baby.
18:51Big ears.
18:52He's one for him.
18:53You baby.
18:54You said...
18:55I'm here for him.
18:56You...
18:57I'm here for him.
18:58I'm here for him.
18:59I'm here for him.
19:00My brother-in-law, Mark, of taking money off you...
19:03George!
19:04Did they come bothered about that?
19:05That's who I'm bothered about!
19:06My son!
19:07Can I make a...
19:08Can I make a...
19:09George?
19:10So what did you say to me, when you said to Leona...
19:13Can I...
19:14You said to Leona, so I go...
19:15Jeremy wants to speak.
19:16Yeah, if you could.
19:17It's called the Jeremy Carr Show.
19:18Thank you very much indeed.
19:19Can I try and sum it out?
19:21If you're right, okay, don't get me wrong.
19:23If you're right and he looks like you, it's your kid and the family have, for whatever
19:28reason, used it as a thing to beat you.
19:31Can I ask you a question?
19:33Your son, I guess you'd like him to grow up being proud of you, yeah?
19:36Yeah.
19:37Tell him you've gone to prison for defraudently taking money off people.
19:39Are you going to be honest?
19:40I'll be honest.
19:41We'll be honest.
19:42A better way as well, not only one day to tell him that if he's your kid, but also to try,
19:47however small, to repay your debt so people's opinion of you changes further down the line.
19:53That's what I want to do.
19:54That's what I want to do.
19:55That's what I want to do Jeremy.
19:57I cannot lie straight.
19:59When you started work, she gets money for her sentence to support that baby.
20:04Can we just forget the money?
20:05I want to concentrate on what looks like a beautiful king, by the way.
20:07Yeah, con artist is.
20:08How sure are you you're the child's father?
20:10100%.
20:11100%.
20:12You are?
20:13After this, I've done with you.
20:141,000%.
20:15It's like I've turned around and said, only the way, only the way, if Layton's not mine,
20:20if he's not my mark, and which I've already told some of the producers.
20:23You just told me you're 100% sure.
20:26She's just told me she's 1,000% sure.
20:29There you go.
20:30Before you open that, sir, no, seriously.
20:32Before you open that, you mentioned, you mentioned about how he cares about his son.
20:37Yes.
20:38And that we never think, and he's told your producers that we don't care about his son.
20:43No, I said you don't care about him.
20:45To the Bones guys.
20:46And I bought him a 190 pound car, and he's gone and Celtic.
20:50Have I?
20:51Yes, you have.
20:52Yes, you have.
20:53Celtic.
20:54Did I tell him to say to you that you don't Celtic?
20:57You stole from the earth child.
20:59I didn't say you don't care for him.
21:00You took the pleasure.
21:01No, you've denied him.
21:02You've not only come Celtic.
21:03You've denied he's not mine.
21:05You've denied he's not mine.
21:06Coddish, Coddish.
21:07You've not even denied.
21:08Sorry, so you're 1,000% sure he's the dad, despite the fact they say you're in the local
21:12chip shop saying you cheated on him twice, and he's not the father.
21:15You say you're 100%.
21:17You are how sure that that...
21:18You've been very adamant, George.
21:19Forget the money.
21:20You told my team all morning, this kid is not his.
21:24Why?
21:25Why?
21:26Because we've seen two photos, and the photos look exactly that match.
21:31What was...
21:32Right, anyway, fine.
21:33You said, you said, I've never said you're not the father, and then you said to my team, I'm
21:38only 50-50.
21:39Well, 50-50, because of the...
21:40So, 50% of the time, you are saying he's not.
21:4350% of the time, yeah, you're right.
21:46But what I've said, Jeremy, is all the battering that they've been going and the talking that
21:51they've been doing, they've done it in not a proper manner.
21:54Even though I've been threatened as well.
21:55Excuse me.
21:56It's my turn.
21:57I've been threatened to be locked out, my dear friend.
21:59George, George.
22:00Yeah?
22:01Enough.
22:02He's hard work, he is, guys.
22:04Right.
22:05I love you.
22:06Can I do the results?
22:07The DNA test results show.
22:08We love you, too.
22:09We love you, too.
22:11The DNA test results show that Alan...
22:13How sure were you?
22:151,000%.
22:16Because he's not the child's father.
22:18Yeah!
22:20Get back.
22:24Get back.
22:25You even...
22:28Sit down and shut up!
22:29What were you going to do?
22:30Steve!
22:31You've got a bit more signified than that.
22:32No, ever, ever, ever.
22:33What?
22:34No, ever, ever.
22:35No.
22:36No, ever, ever.
22:38Stay off her, and innocent baby!
22:39Alright, you take a seat, I'm going to a break, back in a minute.
22:42Don't go anywhere.
22:43You put my dad in the grave.
22:45Get ready!
22:46Get ready!
22:47I want to talk to a woman who sat on national television and blatantly lied.
22:53What have you been sorry for? He's mine.
22:57I'll look after him.
22:59So you know...
23:00Oh, sure, you know, sweet corn teeth.
23:08There's a feud in the family tearing your family apart.
23:11Do you think you're being lied to and need my help to prove it?
23:14If you're 16 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show,
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23:24Or you can call my team today.
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23:40Can I just say something, right?
23:44Listen, I absolutely understand that the bloke stole from somebody
23:48and went to prison.
23:49I understand, from your parents' point of view,
23:52that you're angry he's conned them,
23:53you're better than glorifying in the fact
23:56that he's just found out that his woman's lied to him.
23:58So, in your own way, nice and quiet,
24:00go back, you've said your piece,
24:02and I'll deal with that, all right?
24:03Thank you for coming out.
24:03Thank you for your time.
24:05Give me a round of applause.
24:06I'm going up, though.
24:06Thank you, guys.
24:07I want you to be able to do your part.
24:09Yeah, I will.
24:09Thank you, guys.
24:12I've never saw that in my favourite thing now.
24:14Right, let's just calm this, let's just calm this down.
24:17Get rid of them, please.
24:18I don't want any shouting and screaming.
24:20Right, I went to, I came out a better person.
24:22Can you get rid of them, please?
24:25I'll tell you one thing I want to say.
24:27I absolutely know we live in a society...
24:30Can you get rid of them, please?
24:34We live in a society where you do wrong,
24:36you commit your crime, you do your time.
24:38And beyond that, you have your conscience to answer to
24:42about whether you feel you've changed enough.
24:44You also have your conscience to answer whether...
24:45You've made a mind of that!
24:48The disabled people!
24:49His anger is based on the fact that you owe your father money.
24:55And he will then do and take the reasonable steps
24:58to pay that money back.
25:00I want to talk to a woman who sat on national television
25:04and blatantly lied, because you said,
25:06and I quote, don't give me a sob story, love.
25:08I'm 1,000% sure I'm moving away from the money.
25:11I was sure.
25:11Well, how can you be?
25:12Because I was...
25:13Because you're a liar.
25:14No, because I said it, that I was sure that it's his baby
25:19because I went from going on...
25:21The midwife states, what they told me before,
25:23I went for my scan.
25:24How did you react to it?
25:25How do you feel now I've told you that he's not?
25:27How do you think that will affect you too?
25:28I'm gutted.
25:29How will it affect you too?
25:31Strong.
25:31You're strong.
25:32Tell me he's strong.
25:34Makes me even more strong enough.
25:35The thing that really interests me about you,
25:36if we can just bring this down...
25:37Come on.
25:38You talk the talk.
25:41You're honest about the fact that you made a mistake.
25:44You're honest about the fact that you say you've changed.
25:47You need to prove that to people.
25:49Just hear me out.
25:50There is a part of me that watches that and thinks
25:52they're just out to score cheap points.
25:55But actually, mate, they were right.
25:57Did they do that because they cared about you?
25:59No.
26:00They were trying to get you humiliated.
26:02However, you can say they have just cause
26:04because of what he's saying you've done to the parents.
26:08Why are you crying?
26:09Hey.
26:10Come on, baby.
26:11Come on.
26:12Come on.
26:13Oh, I'm all right.
26:14It's all right.
26:15All right?
26:15What about sorry to him?
26:17Don't worry.
26:18What have you been sorry for?
26:19He's mine.
26:20I'll look after him.
26:21Yeah, but he's about...
26:22So, you know...
26:24Oh, sure, you sweet corn teeth.
26:25You know who the dialogical father is?
26:28Yeah.
26:29It's only one person.
26:30And you'll be able to be honest about that
26:31to that person.
26:33Because I don't want nothing to do with him.
26:35You want to tell him why.
26:36Right, shush, shush, shush.
26:37No, you're not going to tell me why
26:38because that person isn't here to defend themselves.
26:40What I would say to you is this.
26:41Every child has a right to know its father.
26:43Yeah, I know that.
26:44With the aftercare team,
26:45in a quiet and calm way,
26:47we'll talk about this.
26:48But, OK,
26:49don't play God with the child's life
26:50because you want your happy little family to work.
26:52I'm not going to.
26:53So do the right thing.
26:55Listen to me.
26:56Do the right...
26:56If you can do the right thing by this kid,
26:58do the right thing by your parents.
27:00I'll deal with the rest.
27:01I'll leave you with Graeme.
27:02Thank you very much.
27:04Are you OK?
27:17I'm going to say something now
27:18because I'm sick and tired of the screaming
27:19and the shouting and the history on this.
27:20Listen to me.
27:21Do not interrupt me.
27:21Listen to me.
27:22There is a word called dignity.
27:24Yes, you were right.
27:25Yes, you are angry about what happened to your parents, right?
27:28But now, if you've had your moment,
27:31act with dignity.
27:32Your brother has made mistakes,
27:35has vowed on camera
27:36that he's going to make those mistakes right.
27:38Hear me out.
27:39He's just been dealt quite a crushing blow
27:41and taken it in quite a decent way.
27:43Maybe this will be a light.
27:44Maybe it won't.
27:45Maybe he'll forever be the person that steals.
27:47Fine.
27:48But you do not need the histrionics.
27:50You're better than that.
27:51You walk away saying,
27:53I was right.
27:54I'm going to give you the opportunity
27:55to pay my parents back
27:56and I'm going to get on with my life.
27:57OK?
27:58That's all.
27:59Yes?
28:00Yes?
28:00Yes?
28:01Yes?
28:01Good.
28:02Thank you very much indeed.
28:03No, no, no.
28:03Thank you very much indeed.
28:07Good luck to them all later.
28:08No, and that's the point of the show.
28:09People come here, air their grievances.
28:11We'll sort it out in aftercare.
28:12We'll keep the updated right.
28:13My next guest today, Shannon,
28:14is here to find out if Kel,
28:15a man who has hardly bothered with her
28:17her entire life,
28:18is in fact her father.
28:19She says that she's heard rumours
28:20ever since she can remember
28:22that Kel might not be her dad
28:23and says the suspicions have grown
28:24after he's gone a decade at a time
28:26without seeing her.
28:27She wants to know today,
28:28are you my dad?
28:29And if you are,
28:30why the hell haven't you bothered?
28:31Shannon's on the car show that way.
28:41We haven't had once before,
28:42but thank you.
28:42This is a very different story
28:43and I appreciate you coming back.
28:4623.
28:47Yeah.
28:47When I read links like I just read
28:49about, you know,
28:50you haven't bothered,
28:51I think a lot of us
28:52who have parents in our lives
28:53take it probably for granted
28:55and then you hear a story like this
28:56and if we just slow a story like this down,
28:5923, growing up,
29:01what are you told?
29:01What's it like?
29:02What's the reality
29:03of not knowing who your dad is?
29:04Well, close family members
29:05told me that he wasn't my dad
29:08and saying,
29:08am you going to tell Shannon the truth
29:10about a real dad?
29:11Just growing up,
29:12what did you know?
29:13Did you see this guy?
29:14Was there no dad?
29:15Was your mum saying?
29:16What were you told?
29:17No, I wasn't.
29:18He wasn't there
29:19until I got to a certain age
29:20and then I seen him
29:22and then we did start
29:23having a relationship
29:24but then sometimes
29:26you grow apart
29:27and then you get back
29:27and then you grow apart.
29:29The most extraordinary thing
29:30about your story was
29:30you hear these rumours
29:31and then the first time
29:34that you saw him,
29:35this is extraordinary,
29:36you were 13
29:37because he came to live
29:39in your street?
29:40Yeah.
29:42Did he know that potentially
29:43you were his daughter?
29:45Well, yeah, yeah.
29:46Is that why he moved
29:47into the street?
29:48I'm not sure.
29:49And did that moment
29:50that you first bumped into him,
29:52what happened?
29:53He asked me to go to his wedding.
29:56That's the last thing,
29:56that's the first thing
29:57I remember of my dad.
29:59He asked me to go to his wedding.
30:00Since that meeting in the street
30:0110 years ago,
30:02what's it been like?
30:04I don't know,
30:05it's just like...
30:06Why do you have doubts?
30:07Because family members
30:09have told me
30:10and other people
30:11have told me as well
30:12there was an argument
30:14that once when I was 15
30:15and I overheard you
30:16saying,
30:16are you going to tell
30:16Shannon the truth
30:17about a real dad?
30:1810 years,
30:19how many times have you seen him?
30:21I'm not sure.
30:22Every time I'll go down
30:23and see him.
30:24But you're making the effort?
30:26Yeah.
30:26There seems to be this
30:27reluctance for him
30:29to commit to it.
30:31What did you want?
30:32What do you want from today?
30:33We're doing a DNA
30:33because of these doubts.
30:34I get that,
30:35but is it like you saying,
30:37let's do a DNA
30:38and if it proves he's the dad
30:39that might shock him
30:40into caring for me
30:41or is it about you
30:42putting yourself in front of him
30:43and saying,
30:43do you know what?
30:44I need a dad?
30:46Stop ducking it.
30:48Whatever the results
30:49come back today
30:50and you're right,
30:51look,
30:51I've got to that certain age
30:52where I just want to know
30:53my DNA
30:54and know where I've come from.
30:55It's just going to go back to normal.
30:59You've got two kids of your own.
31:00This is a granddaddy
31:01doesn't bother.
31:02He doesn't bother as a father.
31:03If he's your father,
31:04he doesn't care as a granddad,
31:05it seems.
31:07You say it's not really been good enough
31:09what he's done for me
31:09or the grandkids.
31:10I like you very much
31:11and I respect you
31:12because I know it's a big day for you.
31:13OK?
31:13You're happy?
31:14Kel's on the Jeremy Kyle show
31:15that way.
31:25Kel, welcome to the show.
31:26Your opening line's really interesting.
31:27You say you're 100% sure
31:28that Shannon is your daughter.
31:30Yes, I am.
31:30It begs me one question
31:31because I want her to do this.
31:33Why haven't you done more, sir?
31:35Commitments.
31:36Work.
31:38What do you think
31:39the biggest commitment
31:40in your life would be?
31:42Children.
31:43Then why have you
31:43basically not done...
31:45Not me.
31:46Actually, would you know what?
31:46It's her.
31:47No, not me.
31:48It's her, mate.
31:49I've still been there for you.
31:49Yeah, but it's her.
31:51You've been there.
31:51I've never turned your way.
31:53You've been there
31:54but then there's like...
31:55It's us that has to make the effort.
31:57It's us that has to come back to you.
31:58Because I've got other commitments
31:59plus work.
31:59Yeah, but you didn't have
32:00commitments when there was me.
32:03There's a massive commitment.
32:04You could have done more.
32:05You've got to be honest to her.
32:06Not me.
32:06Yeah, I am.
32:07Then that's it.
32:07I'm holding me up.
32:08I'm being honest.
32:10That's all I can be, is honest.
32:11I just sort of think, in a way,
32:13and this isn't shooting myself in the foot,
32:17you're both reasonable people
32:18and it seems to me a shame
32:19that it's taken you 23 years
32:21in a television programme
32:22to be able to look your daughter
32:23in the eye,
32:24which I want you to do
32:25and say,
32:25I ain't done enough, babe.
32:26And that's the truth.
32:27You're being honest.
32:28I haven't done enough.
32:31But then you do it for your other kids
32:32and that's what, obviously,
32:33****ing me up.
32:35Language.
32:38I've still got one child
32:39leaving me home.
32:40Yeah, but then why not
32:42take me and the other one?
32:43You can come out here, babe,
32:44as I was saying to you earlier,
32:45and you can say,
32:46why hasn't this happened?
32:47Why hasn't that happened?
32:47And somebody can ask you,
32:48and I believe he's being candid.
32:50I do.
32:51I don't blame it much on him.
32:52You can't just blame one person.
32:53No, I don't blame it both.
32:54See, you've written this,
32:55you're speaking the speak,
32:57but why has it taken you this long
32:58on a television show?
32:59Why haven't you had this conversation
33:00with your daughter before?
33:01Because I'm...
33:03What about your grandchildren?
33:03I like watching the programme.
33:05What about if those,
33:07she's yours,
33:08those grandchildren,
33:08you've done nothing for them either.
33:11Have you?
33:12I hold my hands up on that as well, then.
33:16Are you her dad?
33:17Yes.
33:18If he is, what do you want?
33:19Tell him.
33:20I don't know.
33:21Tell him.
33:21Yeah, but I don't feel like
33:22there's a relationship there,
33:24to be honest.
33:25There's never...
33:26There's never...
33:26It's never been felt like
33:27there's a relationship there anyway.
33:28Yeah, there's never been
33:28a relationship there,
33:29so obviously I've gone 23 years,
33:31and now obviously I've moved on
33:32and I've got my own kids,
33:33and I'm doing well
33:33looking after them,
33:34and I don't feel like...
33:35Obviously, 23 years,
33:36I don't feel like I can build a bond.
33:39Well, you wouldn't be here
33:40if you didn't want to.
33:41No, but it'd still be nice
33:42to obviously speak to him
33:43and everything, but...
33:44Can I suggest something?
33:45We've always spoke.
33:46Can I jump in?
33:47We've always spoke.
33:47We've got to look up to a certain point now
33:49where I feel like I'm being distant,
33:52like, between...
33:53Like, with everyone.
33:54I've never...
33:55I've never tried to make you feel like that.
33:57BS.
33:57No, you're older sister.
33:59Shh!
33:59Oi!
34:00You're talking rubbish.
34:01You wouldn't even be here.
34:02Desperate.
34:03Ah!
34:03No, I'm...
34:04No, no, no, no!
34:04You're desperate for a relationship
34:05with your dad,
34:06and I absolutely understand
34:07that what she is saying, pal,
34:08is it shouldn't just be words.
34:10Could have done more.
34:11No!
34:11It shouldn't just be words
34:12easy to say now.
34:13She needs consistency.
34:14You can't waltz in and out of her life
34:16and her children's life
34:18as you've done in the past.
34:19If you're a dad,
34:20the commitment starts today.
34:21It has to be today, right?
34:22That's what you're saying, isn't it?
34:24You want consistency.
34:25Look at her.
34:25At the end of the day,
34:26she keeps disappearing.
34:27Yes, because she doesn't trust you.
34:29You need to convince her.
34:30No, she keeps moving to different places.
34:32But then I'm still on Facebook,
34:34and obviously you've still got my number.
34:36So what...
34:36I haven't got your phone number.
34:37I haven't got your own messenger.
34:38I think you two are like two peas
34:40from one damn pod,
34:41but we don't even know.
34:42We am.
34:42We don't even...
34:43We am.
34:44We am, yeah.
34:44We don't even know.
34:45That's the black country talk.
34:47Oh, Yam will be there, mate.
34:48It's all right.
34:49Don't call me a brummie.
34:50What?
34:50Don't call me a brummie.
34:51Can you concentrate
34:52on your potential daughter?
34:5523 years.
34:58Told that he wasn't at 15.
35:00We'll see tonight.
35:02You only have to look at this girl,
35:04and the people who decry this show,
35:05whatever,
35:06look at what this means to you.
35:06You've come here, you've put our trust in,
35:08you're trusting us,
35:08and we thank you for that.
35:09The DNA test results show that Kel...
35:12Look at his face.
35:15What does this say?
35:16I am.
35:17That's your dad.
35:18APPLAUSE
35:19APPLAUSE
35:20Get out of it, you know.
35:26Get out of it, you know.
35:29Kel, Kel.
35:31This girl, listen,
35:33it's not from...
35:33Listen, this girl's cool.
35:35I like this girl.
35:35She's struggled.
35:37She's got kids.
35:37I know, she's been on twice before.
35:38No, no, but just stop the words.
35:40This has all got to be from you.
35:43She's cynical.
35:44She's cynical because you don't
35:45and haven't seen it through.
35:47There's been no consistency.
35:48She's probably sat there thinking,
35:49oh, yeah, right.
35:50So he's saying all the good things to Jeremy,
35:52but what will happen in a week,
35:53in a month, in a year?
35:54She's down to you, pal,
35:55to not miss this last opportunity.
35:58And she is cynical,
35:59and you're going to have to convince her,
36:00but you convince people
36:01with consistency, don't you?
36:03Isn't that right?
36:04Yeah?
36:07But...
36:08secretly delighted,
36:13but secretly...
36:14hold back a bit, yeah?
36:16Yeah.
36:16Going to put you together
36:17with one of the team, okay?
36:18We're going to work out
36:19how we're going to do this
36:20in the right way,
36:20in a proper way,
36:21on her terms.
36:22Time to stand up, mate,
36:23stop the joking
36:24and be a dad, yeah?
36:25Really good thing.
36:27We'll go to God.
36:28We'll go to that one.
36:29Two more cheers, all right?
36:29Thank you very much indeed.
36:31Well, you know what happens?
36:32They'll be with the team
36:32more after the break
36:33and coming back in three.
36:34We'll see you then.
36:35Don't go anywhere.
36:36They both
36:37brought me up
36:38for about
36:39three or four years,
36:40and then I lost everything.
36:42Do you blame
36:43either of them,
36:44both of them,
36:44neither of them what?
36:46I don't know what to believe.
36:53I started this show
36:5613 years ago
36:57and I wanted to help
36:58men fight
36:59to see their children.
37:00I'm going to do
37:00everything I can
37:01to make sure
37:02he sees his kid.
37:05If I might.
37:06Be good for her, yeah?
37:07To help addicts
37:08change their lives.
37:10There is nothing
37:10in the world
37:11that is a better option
37:12than this.
37:13We'll get an intervention
37:14that will help you cope.
37:16To give victims
37:17an important voice.
37:18Do you see
37:18what you do to me?
37:20I'm going to make sure
37:21this boy has as much help
37:23and as much support
37:23and you can do
37:24whatever you want.
37:26To reunite families.
37:29For 39 years
37:30you haven't seen a
37:31Karen's on the
37:32Jeremy Kyle show
37:33that way.
37:34And of course,
37:35as you know,
37:35I believe that everybody
37:36should know who their dad is.
37:38He's your dad.
37:40He's your dad.
37:43I don't know about you,
37:45but I think we're
37:46doing a pretty good job.
37:47If you're 16 or over
37:48and you'd like to be
37:49considered for the show,
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38:05Thank you very much for your name.
38:12Thank you very much for your
38:13work on that.
38:13My next guest today,
38:14Jason is here,
38:15desperately getting answers
38:15from his father
38:16as to why he was put into care.
38:17He says that he's got
38:18no memories of life
38:19with his parents
38:20and since leaving care
38:21has been told many different
38:22stories from them both.
38:23He doesn't basically know
38:24who or what to believe.
38:25He's here for the truth.
38:26He wants a relationship
38:27with his dad.
38:28Please welcome Jason
38:29to the Jeremy Kyle show
38:29that way.
38:30Really easy,
38:40I think,
38:40for us sometimes
38:41to think people can do it
38:42but very nerve-wracking
38:43for some.
38:45Oh,
38:45bless your heart.
38:47Right?
38:49Hey,
38:49hey,
38:50listen,
38:51respect.
38:53I was fine
38:53until just then.
38:57Um,
38:58no pressure on you
38:59at all,
38:59Jase.
38:59Really appreciate
39:00you being here.
39:02Just where you gather
39:03yourself,
39:03I think the thing
39:04about this story
39:05that resonated
39:06with the team
39:07wasn't,
39:08don't take this
39:08the wrong way,
39:10wasn't so much
39:12the fact that you
39:12were put into care
39:13was the fact that
39:15even now
39:16they just slag
39:17each other off.
39:18Yeah.
39:19And I just want answers.
39:21They both
39:22pulled me up
39:23for about
39:24three or four years
39:25and then I lost
39:27everything.
39:27What do you know
39:30to be the truth?
39:31What happened?
39:31What do you know
39:32that happened?
39:34I don't know.
39:34I've got nothing,
39:35no memories.
39:36So your first
39:36memories care?
39:38Yeah.
39:38Did they visit you?
39:40No.
39:41They didn't visit you?
39:41The only,
39:43when I was
39:44putting into care
39:44I was pushed
39:45better and posed.
39:46From foster care
39:48to foster care.
39:49How bad was that?
39:50What's that like?
39:51I felt like a,
39:52like a plant
39:53not being able
39:54to grow,
39:55being picked up,
39:56moved,
39:56moved, moved.
39:57Not allowed to...
39:58The other kids in the home
39:59and their parents
39:59came to visit them,
40:00had they?
40:00And I never got a chance
40:01to have my own roots.
40:03We had to make a decision
40:04this morning
40:05and I'm going to be
40:05very straight with you.
40:06And I want to do it
40:07like this,
40:08I know Steph knows this
40:08because it's important
40:09that people will react.
40:11Your mum came to this studio
40:12desperate to be part of this.
40:14I know.
40:14We,
40:15in her best interest
40:16after care,
40:18Graham and the team
40:18took a decision
40:19that it wasn't right
40:21for her.
40:22But I don't want people,
40:23when your dad comes out
40:24going,
40:25she's run away from this
40:26because she wanted
40:28to do it
40:28but her guest welfare
40:30is the most important
40:31thing to us.
40:32So that maybe will happen
40:33further down the line.
40:35Do you blame
40:36either of them
40:36both of them
40:37and either of them
40:38what?
40:39I don't know
40:39what to believe.
40:40Let's get you out.
40:41We're going to get you
40:42dead out in a minute
40:43but I know what
40:43the audience are going
40:43to say.
40:44This is Jason
40:44on the Jeremy Kyle show.
40:45Come this way, man.
40:46You all right?
40:47Come this way, man.
40:48Come this way, man.
40:48Come this way.
40:56So your dad,
40:57as I said,
40:58your dad is here.
40:59Your mother wanted
41:00to be here.
41:00She came to the studio.
41:02We took that decision
41:03but this is your dad.
41:03Bear in mind
41:04what I said.
41:04This is Daddy
41:04you.
41:05Kenneth's on the Jeremy
41:05Kyle show that way.
41:15Kenneth, welcome to the show.
41:16I find it extraordinary
41:25that your son's crying
41:26and you're just like that
41:27because if I'd heard
41:28my son speak that well
41:29and I'd done what you
41:30haven't done
41:30I'd be on my knees
41:31saying sorry, man.
41:35Or are you just going to
41:36blame the ex-wife, yeah?
41:38Can I give you a bit of advice?
41:39Guys, you can make this work, pal.
41:42And I'm not being horrible.
41:43I'm just going to tell you this.
41:44Man to man.
41:45You're going to go a long way today
41:47if you don't blame the mother.
41:49You're both responsible.
41:50This is your son.
41:52Yeah?
41:53All yours, kidder.
41:54I know that
41:58of things you've said
42:00I haven't brought you here
42:02to put you down.
42:03I ain't got me here
42:04to put my mum down.
42:06Okay?
42:07I can't be here.
42:08Sorry, give me a second.
42:09To find answers.
42:17To find closure.
42:20I know she's not here
42:21right now
42:22to defend herself
42:23although she wanted
42:24to be on stage.
42:24Shall I read a statement
42:25from her actually
42:26which we did
42:26which might have to go?
42:28I always did what I could
42:29for Jason.
42:30I never wanted him
42:31and his brother
42:32to go into care.
42:34Kenneth was the one
42:35that called social services
42:36and they were taken away.
42:38There was nothing
42:38that I could do.
42:40Myself and Kenneth
42:40could have done more
42:41and we did both
42:42make mistakes
42:43but I am desperate
42:44to resolve things
42:45with my son.
42:46I can't change
42:47what happened
42:48but in time
42:49I hope I can
42:50gain his forgiveness
42:51and we can move on
42:52from the past.
42:53Both me and his father
42:54do share one thing.
42:56We love him very much.
42:58I don't know they do.
42:59Would that be true?
43:00Yes, it is true.
43:02Would it be fair
43:02to say as well, Kenneth
43:03that,
43:04and nobody's perfect
43:05by the way
43:05let me tell you
43:06but that the biggest thing
43:08that you and Kate
43:09have done wrong
43:09is that rather than embrace
43:12when your boy was there
43:13and available
43:13you were still slagging
43:15each other off
43:16and he was stuck
43:17still in the middle.
43:19We weren't exactly
43:20slagging each other off
43:21but he came.
43:22What's your version
43:23of events then?
43:25As regards to what?
43:27Him going in care?
43:28Yeah, why?
43:29I put him in care
43:30to protect him.
43:31From who?
43:33From the people
43:34that she was involved with.
43:35Why didn't you take your son
43:36and go and live with him
43:37on your own?
43:37Why'd you put him in care?
43:40Tell me if I'm boring
43:41and old-fashioned.
43:42I give up my job
43:43I go and get my kids
43:44I go to the other end
43:44of the country
43:45and I bring them up myself.
43:46That's what I do.
43:51I would have done, Bob.
43:53All I'm saying is
43:54she said
43:55we both made mistakes.
43:56I just think
43:57it doesn't matter to me, pal.
43:59For this amazing kid
44:00the hands need to go in the air.
44:01But hands up.
44:02Nobody's perfect.
44:03Everyone's going to make
44:04some sort of mistakes.
44:05Of course, mate.
44:06Listen, how many have I made?
44:06Even the audience.
44:07How many of you
44:08have made mistakes
44:08in your lifetime?
44:09Several million.
44:10Quite a few of you.
44:11Oh, no.
44:12Some people haven't
44:12got their hands up.
44:13There's a bloke there
44:14who's just gone,
44:14not me.
44:16Yeah, right.
44:17No, everyone's...
44:18No one's perfect.
44:19Well, that bloke's a liar.
44:20That's not perfect.
44:21I'm not perfect.
44:22I know I'm not perfect.
44:24It's not...
44:25It's not...
44:25Do you know what I find
44:26extraordinary here
44:27is that this kid
44:28is offering
44:29every olige branch.
44:30This kid doesn't have
44:31any bitterness or animosity
44:32and still you can't
44:33open your mouth.
44:34Just, it's...
44:35I know it's probably
44:36in your mind
44:37she's not here.
44:38You're not getting it.
44:39This can work.
44:40You've got to say,
44:41show some passion,
44:43show some compassion,
44:45show some apology.
44:46There's nothing
44:46coming from you, man.
44:47Why?
44:48But I can say one thing
44:49that actually
44:50I have more faith for him.
44:53That it took him
44:54two seconds to find me
44:56on Facebook.
44:57And it was within
44:57that...
44:58Within ten minutes
44:58he was talking to me
44:59on the phone.
44:59Do you love your son?
45:00I do love my son,
45:01both of them.
45:02Did you make mistakes?
45:04I did make mistakes,
45:06I admit that.
45:07Why don't you show him
45:08compassion?
45:09Is it just being here
45:10and I'm not having a go
45:11at you because some people
45:12get really freaked out
45:13about being here.
45:14I'm a bit freaked out
45:15about being on here.
45:17It's the first time
45:18I've been...
45:18But you came,
45:19but you came
45:20and I think that's a positive
45:21and we should respect you
45:22for coming.
45:22Not the only one.
45:23I'm nervous.
45:24You're a natural, mate.
45:26Absolute natural.
45:27He's such a good kid, man.
45:28He can put the past...
45:29There's many that can't
45:30put the past.
45:31I'm telling you,
45:31this kid can put it...
45:32I can put the past behind me.
45:33I want the future,
45:34not the past.
45:36I want the pains
45:37to go.
45:38Listen to me, both of you.
45:54Saying it won't make up anything.
45:57I need to see proof.
45:59Anybody who says
46:00this show isn't real
46:01sees that.
46:01This is not going to happen
46:02in a heartbeat, right?
46:04And we are committed,
46:05always have been,
46:06to helping that process
46:07through the aftercare department
46:09and I promise you that.
46:10But your son came here
46:11with an olive branch
46:12and that olive branch,
46:14sorry about this next sentence,
46:16you won't like it.
46:17Time for the adult
46:18to take the lead.
46:19Time for the adult
46:20to not blame anybody.
46:23Take your portion
46:24of the blame,
46:25put it there,
46:26move forward.
46:26What have you got
46:27for your dad?
46:28I would like you
46:28to open this now.
46:30Together with their family,
46:35Charlene and Jessica
46:36would like you
46:37to invite you
46:37to Ken, Marie and Jessica
46:39to their wedding day.
46:41Oh.
46:42APPLAUSE
46:42Yes, you're welcome.
46:46I want you and Mum
46:47to be there.
46:50You brought me into this life.
46:52And I want to give you
46:53a good day,
46:55the power of you,
46:56to see me
46:57on a happy day.
46:58Yeah, for you.
46:59I'm going to ask you,
47:03we will work somewhere.
47:05I've got to say this,
47:06and you know this anyway,
47:08I have done this
47:09a long time.
47:10Rarely,
47:11rarely do I meet
47:12a kid
47:12who has every reason
47:14to have gone off the rails
47:15and be bitter and twisted
47:16to be as balanced
47:17and as amazing as you.
47:18And I hope
47:19that you can do that for him,
47:21all right?
47:21Really appreciate you coming on.
47:24All right?
47:24Nice to meet you, pal.
47:25Good luck with everything,
47:26all right?
47:27See you again.
47:27Look after your son.
47:28Give me a round of applause.
47:32Amazing young man
47:33for this morning.
47:33Out of time.
47:34If you want to be on our show
47:35and need my help,
47:36visit the website.
47:37The details are on the screen.
47:38To the guests,
47:38to the audience
47:39and to you five
47:39watching at home
47:40because my granddaughter's here.
47:41See you soon.
47:42Take care.
47:42Bye-bye for now.
47:43CHEERING
47:44CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
47:45APPLAUSE