The Jeremy Kyle Show 13th March 2018
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00:10On today's show, Michelle is here after a partner of seven years, Andy, recently left her for her teenage daughter.
00:21She's out of my life for good.
00:23What are you punishing your mother, your homewreck?
00:32Go and sit down and shut up.
00:35You have no idea what you're trying to do.
00:38You have no idea what you're trying to do.
00:45You maintain that you and Paul had, what, a one-night stand, a relationship?
00:50No, it was buddies.
00:53Why are you out to prove it?
00:56Because he's saying to everybody, I'm the lion.
01:00You shut your face.
01:02What's that?
01:04Can you bring your son who actually caught you having sex with him?
01:08Can you bring him out of the back with me?
01:12You're the lion.
01:12I caught you.
01:13F***ing my mum.
01:14Bigger, where's all?
01:16Look at yourself.
01:17F***ing my mum.
01:17F***ing my mum.
01:18F***ing my mum.
01:20F***ing my mum.
01:22F***ing my mum.
01:24F***ing my mum.
01:25Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:39I'm my first guest this morning.
01:41Michelle is here after a partner of seven years, Andy.
01:44Check this.
01:46Recently left her for her teenage daughter.
01:49Oh!
01:52Michelle has been left heartbroken.
01:54Today wants to confront daughter Courtney and find out if she was having sex with her man, Andy, whilst he was still in a relationship with her.
02:01She says, in order to move on, I need the truth about what really happened.
02:05It's a shocking story, this.
02:06Michelle's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
02:08CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:12CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:16CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:20LAUGHTER
02:29You are ruined my life.
02:31You are ruined my life.
02:33I'm the son's life.
02:34You're talking to somebody you want me to do with.
02:36I'm torturing.
02:38That's your mother.
02:40Sit down.
02:40Get on the stage.
02:41I don't want to take it down!
02:43CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:45CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:52Such a global bit of sympathy for you.
02:54Sorry, so...
02:56Sorry, so you're with Andy?
02:58No. No, not now. Well done, Jez.
03:01You were with Andy? Yeah.
03:03Married? No. We've been seven years.
03:06Seven years. Kid? Yeah.
03:08Three? Christmas night, I went up with her.
03:10So, but...
03:12I mean, it is...
03:14Even by my standards, on Christmas night,
03:17how does that come about?
03:19How do you find that...? What happened?
03:22You took me out of a taxi.
03:25I stood up at my mum's.
03:28Then they went down to mine,
03:30instead of her coming back with me.
03:32Did you have suspicions?
03:34Did you have suspicions? Yeah.
03:36How? Based on what? Tell me, babe.
03:38Just sit back and relax. Go on.
03:40Just flirting and looking, you know.
03:42Just flirting with each other.
03:43Did you ask him ever?
03:44Yeah.
03:45And he said no.
03:46Did you have a good relationship with him?
03:48So-so.
03:49Really?
03:50Apart from the abuse.
03:51Sorry? Abuse.
03:52Abuse?
03:53Yeah.
03:54Violence?
03:55Yeah.
03:56So much so...
03:57Sorry?
03:58I've talked to him quite a few times.
03:59This is a man who you're so heartbroken over with.
04:02I understand you'd be gutted and devastated that he's with your daughter.
04:06This is a man who abused you, who went to prison, and you have an injunction out with.
04:11Yeah.
04:12I'm hoping that actually there's no part of you that wants to be back with his low life.
04:15No.
04:16No.
04:17So what's today about?
04:18I just want to know when this started.
04:19All started, I know.
04:20I need to...
04:21Why'd you have him to stay at your house a couple of nights last week?
04:23I don't mean to be rude and it'll probably be bleak.
04:24No.
04:25He's having sex with your daughter.
04:26I wouldn't have anything to do with him.
04:27Why is he in your house?
04:28Is he in your house?
04:29Is he in your house?
04:30Is he in your house?
04:31Is he in your house?
04:32Is he in your house?
04:33You sat and watched him get ready to go on a date with your daughter.
04:34I find out everything.
04:35Why would you do that?
04:36Darling, I would understand.
04:37I'm scared of him.
04:38But I mean...
04:39But this is my thing I don't get.
04:40He's beaten you up!
04:41And he's gone to prison.
04:42No woman should want to be with him.
04:43No.
04:44No.
04:45No.
04:46Do you know what I mean?
04:47But this is my thing I don't get.
04:48He's beaten you up!
04:49And he's gone to prison.
04:51No woman should want to be with him.
04:53All...
04:54Do you know what I mean?
04:55The next thing you're going to say to me is,
04:56I worry for my daughter.
04:57I don't.
04:58She's out of my life for good.
05:00She's out of my life.
05:02I don't want to know her.
05:03She might have done you a favour, mate.
05:05I hope so.
05:06The thing that I also supported you,
05:07I read this this morning in the meeting,
05:09this went down like a lead balloon.
05:10You won't let him...
05:12No, you won't let her see her brother.
05:14No, not a chance.
05:15Now, a lot of people see...
05:16Now, this is really weird.
05:17Do you know why?
05:18Because I don't want...
05:19My...
05:20My son...
05:21Being brought up like a...
05:23Well, it's not that.
05:24How do you...
05:25You know all the times I've sat her
05:26and I've gone, you're wrong, whatever.
05:28His sister's sleeping with his father.
05:30No, she's trying to...
05:32His sister's sleeping with his father.
05:34She doesn't give a...
05:35You shouldn't let her anywhere near him.
05:37No.
05:38I'll tell you...
05:39He's not going anywhere near my daughter.
05:42What about him, is he?
05:43Is he?
05:44What about him, is he?
05:45What about him?
05:46What about him, is he?
05:47What about him, is he?
05:48Why are you punishing your mother, you homewrecker?
05:50Go and sit down and shut up.
05:52Listen, listen, listen.
05:56I want to get back to this man thing,
06:00because I understand about a lack of self-respect,
06:03I understand what it's like to be humiliated, I get all that.
06:06But this guy stays in your house,
06:08has been backwards and forwards since Christmas,
06:10since the shocking moment when he went out.
06:12Yeah, he came back with me for a while.
06:14He's been back with me for a while.
06:16I took him back. I gave him a second chance for a week.
06:18After he'd had sex with your daughter?
06:20They said they didn't have sex.
06:22This is what I want to find out today.
06:24They said they kissed and cuddled the whole night.
06:26But why would you allow the scumbag in your house?
06:28No, I took him back.
06:30I gave him a second chance.
06:32What worries me is that you will always take him back.
06:34No, not a chance.
06:36Is he saying his son?
06:38No. He's not allowed.
06:40He's not allowed because I've got an injunction.
06:42She thinks she'll still in love with him.
06:44No, not a chance.
06:46She's not getting him back off me.
06:48I've heard it all.
06:50She's got the wife beating injunction serving useless father who sleeps with anybody.
06:54She's done really well to your daughter.
06:56I know.
06:58She's on top of the world, she is.
07:00We love you, and I mean that, okay?
07:02I mean that.
07:04You're better than him.
07:06No, I don't want him back.
07:08Gordon is 19.
07:10My mother's a bitter old bag.
07:12I want access to my brother.
07:14She was horrible to my boyfriend.
07:16My mum's paranoid. She thinks I was having sex.
07:18I wasn't, but I'm having loads now and he's brilliant at it.
07:22Yeah, I'll care.
07:24Gordon is on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that one.
07:26You've never seen that cover.
07:34You have caught my son's dad.
07:36Understand.
07:37You've never seen him.
07:38Never.
07:39You used to know that boy is a weapon you are.
07:41Oh, am I?
07:42Yeah, you are.
07:43Do you want to f*** him?
07:44I put the son's head up.
07:45Really?
07:46Your one's f***ing head up.
07:48Huh?
07:49One minute it's with me, then it's with his sister.
07:51It's dad.
07:52How does that even work out, can't it?
07:54Who are you?
07:56Amanda, right?
07:57Sit down and shut up.
07:58I'm speaking to the mother and the daughter.
08:00Be quiet.
08:01What?
08:03You're some piece of work, aren't you?
08:07Cat that got the cream?
08:10You know what he did to your mother.
08:13What did he do to your mother?
08:15What did he do to your mother?
08:16What did he do?
08:17He didn't do anything.
08:18She's horrible to him.
08:19She's horrible to him.
08:20Why did he go to prison, then?
08:22Well, that was years ago.
08:23That was years ago.
08:24That was years ago.
08:25That was years ago.
08:26That was years ago.
08:27What did the doctor say?
08:28On me arm.
08:29He didn't touch you.
08:30He pushed me off.
08:31He didn't touch me off.
08:32He got vested.
08:33He didn't drag you off.
08:34He jacked me out of the dancing.
08:35No, we didn't.
08:36I think I saw it.
08:37He got a vested carnet.
08:38Stop lying.
08:39You're not in my life.
08:40You're not in my life.
08:41Why do you want to see your brother?
08:42Why are you going to go out with your boyfriend?
08:44Yeah.
08:45No.
08:46See my little brother.
08:47Why?
08:48Being a mum.
08:49Did you think about that when you had sex with your stepfather?
08:51I'm not.
08:52I'm a sister.
08:53Did you think about that when you were having sex with your stepfather?
08:55I had sex with him on Christmas Day.
08:56How did stepdaddy go from helping you with your homework to having sex with you?
09:01No, I can't.
09:02How did it happen that you fell in love with your stepdad?
09:06Tell me the romantic story, love.
09:08Come on, share it with me.
09:09That happened on Christmas Day, right?
09:11And he told me in the taxi that he had feelings for me.
09:13You can't help your feelings for people, can you?
09:15So you went out, the three of you.
09:17Yeah.
09:18Yeah?
09:19And he had an argument with his wife, a girlfriend of seven years.
09:22And he thought he'd...
09:23Who he's beaten up and been to prison for beating up, by the way.
09:25And there's an injunction out.
09:26He thought he'd then say to her...
09:28When did he beat you up?
09:29Slightly naive, 19-year-old, stupid daughter.
09:31Yeah, when did he beat me up?
09:32About five years ago.
09:33I don't care.
09:34Hello?
09:35You want to write about, like, Christmas you?
09:37Hello?
09:38Tell me about the romance.
09:39He said, I've got feelings.
09:40And then what happened?
09:41Well, then I told him that I had feelings, but we never shared it with each other, because
09:42we didn't know how it happened.
09:43Well, you did in the taxi, so what happened afterwards?
09:44We went back to, obviously, hers, didn't we?
09:45Hers?
09:46Yeah, hers.
09:47Did you have sex?
09:48No, we didn't.
09:49What happened?
09:50We just kissed and cuddled on the sofa.
09:51Kissed and cuddled on the sofa.
09:52Whilst you...
09:53Whilst you...
09:54Whilst you...
09:55Whilst you...
09:56Whilst you...
09:57Whilst you...
09:58...
10:09If she was still in a relationship with your mother, because at this moment he wasn't
10:11in prison or having an injunction served on him, you were kissing and cuddling the stepfather.
10:16Well, yeah.
10:17And he can't be here today.
10:19Yeah, because he's got an injunction.
10:21But, er, you want her to do a lie detector to prove that they weren't having anything intimate
10:26happening before the...
10:27Before the...
10:28Why...
10:29Can you just explain to me before I go to a break?
10:31Why do you give a damn?
10:32Because it's been playing on my mind how long...
10:34Do you want him back?
10:35No, do I act?
10:36No way.
10:37Yeah, whatever.
10:38It's like I have to...
10:40Is that...
10:41Is that...
10:42Sorry, is that an engagement ring on your finger?
10:43No, it's not.
10:44Why are you wearing on your...
10:45Because it's...
10:46I like on my fingers, is that...
10:47Did he give you that ring?
10:48No, he didn't.
10:49Oh, right, okay.
10:50Oh, my God.
10:51So...
10:52So, are you living together?
10:53Well, I'm not living together.
10:54Yes, you are.
10:55We're not living...
10:56I stay there.
10:57I stay there now and again.
10:58I don't live there.
10:59Okay.
11:00You can't...
11:01You've had sex with him now.
11:02Yeah.
11:03Yeah.
11:04You can't work.
11:05He's also had sex with your mother.
11:07Well, obviously.
11:08We've got a kid together.
11:09Well, that's keeping it in the family.
11:10Lie detector after the break.
11:11Don't get away.
11:12What you've been saying is well out of order.
11:14Well and true like.
11:15You don't know anything about this.
11:17Just sit down.
11:18Just sit down and shut up.
11:19Shut up.
11:20Did you have sexual intercourse with Andy before Christmas Day?
11:22Courtney said no.
11:23Why did you say no?
11:24Well, true.
11:25Is that true?
11:42It's all kicking off.
11:43Security.
11:44This test is you're a liar, love.
11:45This isn't about you.
11:46This is about your children.
11:47Oh, here we go.
11:48The card in place.
11:49Okay.
11:50More happiness after.
11:51Oh, get off.
11:52No, no, no, no, no.
11:53Baby.
11:54Oh, no.
11:55No, no, no, no, no.
11:56Baby.
11:57Oh, no.
11:58Oh, my lord.
11:59I need Philip Scopefield.
12:00I need Philip Scopefield to put up with this.
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12:53I'm Father Bray.
12:54Mother and daughter, Michelle and Courtney, you have surely crossed the most ridiculously wrong line in the history of the world.
12:58You are having a physical relationship with your stepfather.
13:01You've destroyed your mother.
13:02They're not my stepfather.
13:03What?
13:04They're not my stepfather.
13:05They're not married.
13:06Has she been a good mum?
13:07No.
13:08Why?
13:09Because she hasn't been there for seven years.
13:10She got moved into a dad's house.
13:11And why did she get it?
13:12Because she was on drugs and you showed drugs over all your kids.
13:14That's what I...
13:15So you're punishing her by having sex with her ex-boyfriend?
13:17No, it's not punishing her.
13:18You sure it's not scoring points?
13:19No.
13:20Who's Leslie?
13:21My friend.
13:22Oh, yeah.
13:23Fake friend.
13:24Fake friend?
13:25I'm pretending to be friends.
13:26Have you slept with her as well?
13:27Lesley's on the journaling cards, yeah?
13:28LAUGHTER
13:29APPLAUSE
13:30You mean, why have you slept with your mum?
13:32What?
13:33Because what you've been saying is well out of order.
13:35Well and truly.
13:36What have you got to do?
13:37She don't even hardly know me.
13:38She knows everything what's going on.
13:39I know everything that's been going on.
13:40She knows everything that's been going on.
13:41Lies of being told me, yeah?
13:42She knows everything that's been going on.
13:43How about you?
13:44All the lies I've told you, yeah?
13:45All the lies she told me, yeah?
13:46All the lies she told me, yeah?
13:47All the lies she told me, yeah?
13:48All the lies she told me, yeah?
13:49All the lies she told me...
13:50All the lies she told me, yeah?
13:51I've just been told...
13:52Telling them, Angel.
13:53What have I been telling her?
13:54Can I speak to Lesley?
13:55Thanks ever so much.
13:56Les, how are you?
13:57I'm all right, Jeremy, thank you.
13:58Good.
13:59Your mate's daughter is sleeping with her ex-partner.
14:00To anybody, that's disgusting, right?
14:01It is, it's disgusting.
14:03What has this done to Michelle? It's devastated us. What do you think of him? It's disgusting to even do this. What about her?
14:14I've got a statement from MD41. Me and Courtney are in love with each other
14:19And that's just something Michelle is gonna have to accept. I'm with Courtney now and we're so very happy together
14:26I'm not gonna let Michelle get in the way of our happiness
14:29Yes, I have a child with Michelle and I want to continue to be the great father to Logan, but I cannot help the way
14:34I feel about his sister Courtney. I
14:37Never cheated on Michelle and as soon as me and Courtney told each other how we felt the relationship with Michelle ended
14:45Did it?
14:46Right? Yeah, he said this is what I love
14:49I never cheated on Michelle and as soon as me and Courtney told each other how we felt the relationship with Michelle ended
14:55But it didn't did it because you got off with each other. That's old-fashioned for snogging and anyway
14:59You were up you were in her place
15:01Kissing and cuddling on Christmas night when he made an argument you didn't finish it with your mother on Christmas night
15:06And now I want to ask you something else as well, you know, he went back to her house
15:10How did you feel about that when she gave him a second chance for you full of jealousy and bitterness? Why?
15:15Yes, she was messages
15:17You were gutted, weren't you?
15:19Come on. Obviously a bit, but
15:22But you got, but you know, she said I got him back in the long run. He must be something else Randy
15:27Why did he come back to me? Because he didn't want to be with her
15:30I'm just gonna give you a bit of advice. Life, okay?
15:33Certain women believe that they're going to be the ones that are going to, I don't know how you put this, tame
15:38Calm down. Be happy with the badass, right?
15:41Andy is Andy. He's never going to change and I'll wager that within a few weeks months or years
15:48The same that allegedly happened to her will happen to you. And what concerns me
15:52What concerns me is, is that your relationship with the one person you should be closest to has been traded because of your selfish desire
16:00To run off with a man twice your age who doesn't even care about you
16:05And he's the best bet
16:07Because I'll tell you he doesn't care about you all he's interested in darling scoring points against his ex your friend's called angel is she?
16:13Yes, this will be a delight angels on the Jeremy Kyle show
16:23What's he got to do with this?
16:25You don't know anything about this?
16:27Just sit down and shut up
16:29Nothing, she told me anything
16:31Yes, she did
16:33I can't believe what her mother's been saying to her
16:38Yeah?
16:39Her mum's been calling her both a
16:41Sorry?
16:42Her mum's been calling her both a
16:43Sorry?
16:44Her mum's been calling her both a
16:45She's sleeping with her ex-boyfriend
16:46She's sleeping with her ex-boyfriend
16:48Oh no, this is going to be one of the greatest moments ever on the Jeremy Kyle show
16:51Do you think what your, your friend's done is okay?
16:54Not really, I was pretty shocked when she told me
16:59Me?
17:00Yes
17:01Do I?
17:02I've got a boyfriend
17:03Yeah, okay
17:04Would you sleep with your boyfriend who'd been out with your mother?
17:06No, I wouldn't
17:07Would you understand, nobody else
17:09If it's not nice and that
17:10I haven't finished
17:11Call the Jeremy Kyle show
17:12If I haven't finished
17:13Just
17:14If, if the person had that done to them they'd be devastated and angry wouldn't they?
17:18Obviously
17:19No more questions, Your Honour
17:27She took
17:28Advantage, well
17:29Actually I don't know, maybe he took advantage but
17:31What I haven't said to you yet is this
17:33Bring it down a minute
17:34It's your mum
17:35She gave birth to you
17:36This man
17:37Is after one thing and one thing only
17:40When you were born
17:41He was 21
17:42He's going to destroy you darling
17:44He's going to destroy your relationship with your mother
17:46He doesn't love you
17:47Alright then
17:48How do you know after four weeks that he loves you?
17:51Of course I say so
17:52No, no, no
17:53He went back to her for one of the
17:54Only needs three weeks
17:55Because he was missing his son
17:56He didn't want to be with her
17:57We were missing his son
17:58He's going to have to get used to that
17:59Because he's never going to say
18:00He still saw his son
18:01He still saw his son
18:02Before he came back to me
18:03That's what he was saying
18:04Yeah, okay
18:05All I could think about was me
18:06Because he was not standing to be near
18:07All you were wanting is sex
18:08And by the way
18:09Are you enjoying this?
18:10Can I tell you something that really worries me?
18:11Yeah, just like me
18:12I'll leave you
18:13You know what worries me about you?
18:14You're enjoying this aren't you?
18:15But you're beginning to look really stupid
18:16Well
18:17And it worries me
18:18This guy has done a job on you, hasn't he?
18:20Have you met Andy?
18:21Yeah
18:22Yeah
18:23Is he nice?
18:25Yeah, he is nice
18:26Yeah
18:27Yeah
18:28Except for when he went to prison
18:29She's been thinking he's been going on for months
18:31I mean, I got left with Logan
18:32You've been thinking he's been going on for months, right?
18:34And it hasn't
18:35That's what I'm proving to you today
18:36Yeah, but how can you love him after a month?
18:38One month, can't he?
18:39How can you really love him?
18:40Really?
18:41I don't think so
18:42What are you going to do?
18:43What are you going to do when Andy dumps you for somebody younger?
18:47Well, no, he's not going to do that, so
18:48Partly I'll have a kid with you first
18:49And that kid will be like
18:50Well, I don't know what it will be
18:51Well, what happens when he moves on from you?
18:52Because he will, just so you're aware
18:53And you can tell me
18:54You'll tell me
18:55You'll tell
18:56You'll say to somebody in three weeks, three months, three years
18:57Jeremy Carl was right
18:58He will dump you, love
18:59Because the only reason he's with you is to score points
19:01And he probably saw an easy way out
19:02But here's the thing
19:03When he leaves you, what are you going to do?
19:04You'll have no relationship with your family
19:05I don't want a relationship with her
19:06Whatever
19:07Her dad is 39, the same age as me
19:09And he's 41
19:10How sick is that?
19:11I'm 41
19:12I'm complete
19:14I don't want a relationship with her
19:15Whatever
19:16Her dad is 39, the same age as me
19:18And he's 41
19:19How sick is that?
19:20I'm 41
19:22I'm completely traumatised
19:24We're happy, that's all that matters
19:25That's all I'm bothered about
19:26Okay
19:27So you see quite a nice future for you and Andy?
19:29I do, yeah
19:30You're going to get married?
19:31I don't know
19:32You're going to have a baby?
19:33You've messed my son's head up
19:35You've messed my son's head up
19:36This is why I'm so mad
19:37I don't want a baby
19:38Sorry, can I just work this out right?
19:39I want him on there every day then
19:40If you had a baby
19:41I mean, I'm trying to talk about the impact this is having on Logan
19:44And I said at the beginning of this show that
19:46Sorry, I don't think you or that man should see him
19:49Because I think you're just messing with his head
19:50But if you had a baby
19:52Logan
19:55I don't know what it would be
19:57So Logan would be your brother
19:59And your son
20:00Would be Logan's uncle
20:02It ain't going to work, darling, with this bloke
20:05But it's not for me to tell you
20:06Wait
20:07Well, I don't care
20:08Now, this is the results
20:10Did you have sexual intercourse with Andy before Christmas Day?
20:13Courtney said no
20:14Why did you say no?
20:15Well, the truth
20:16She was telling the truth
20:17Isn't that lovely?
20:18Isn't that lovely?
20:19It's been at home
20:20Mum's apart there
20:21Nothing
20:22Hello?
20:23Nothing happened before Christmas Day
20:24Yeah?
20:25So that
20:26Do you feel happy about that?
20:27Yeah, I do
20:28Do you?
20:29Thank you
20:30The pride
20:35The pride
20:36Nothing happened before Christmas Day
20:38The pride
20:39Where's she gone?
20:40Hello?
20:41Excuse me
20:42Stop!
20:43Stop!
20:44Stop!
20:45Have you taken your microphone off?
20:46Why have you done that?
20:47Yeah
20:48You can go now
20:49Bye
20:50We're not going here
20:51You can go
20:52Thank you
20:53Come here
20:54Come here
20:55Come here
20:56Come here
20:57Come here
20:58Thank you
20:59Come here
21:00Is it not working at her microphone?
21:02No, it just fell off
21:04Come here
21:07I don't
21:08Do you know what worries me about you?
21:10I know right now
21:11You think that you are the cat that got the cream
21:14Right?
21:15And I'm sure
21:16In your own way
21:17It's perfect
21:19But darling
21:20This guy has got a track record
21:22And what concerns me today
21:23Is that you are trading
21:25Your blood
21:26Your family
21:27For this
21:29Naive belief
21:30You took all your family away
21:31Shut up
21:32No I won't
21:33This is why you can't see your brother
21:34You've took all your family away
21:36Why?
21:37I've still got my dad, my granddad, my granddad
21:38I just don't got you
21:39And I'm glad about that
21:40Yeah
21:41You mean that do you?
21:42No, you've stopped at my house
21:43For God knows how
21:44That is not a job
21:45There's somebody else to feed yourself
21:46That is going
21:47Yeah?
21:48No mum to me
21:49You're nothing
21:50And you have no daughter to me neither
21:51Look at you
21:52Run away
21:53Must have been a mum at some point
21:55She's got no respect at all
21:56What worries me about you is
21:58Because I think you'd have this guy back
21:59No, I wouldn't
22:00Oi
22:01Not a chance
22:02I'm really sorry with this history onyx
22:04Come here
22:05Come here darling
22:07Just like a teenager running off
22:14Where?
22:15Where?
22:16Where is she?
22:17Darling, come here
22:18Don't
22:20Get away from that
22:21Listen to me
22:22Come here
22:23Just come here
22:24Come here
22:25Get away from that
22:26It's coming
22:27What's coming?
22:28It's coming
22:29The truck you're doing
22:30Get it off
22:31It's a mother
22:32You took my boyfriend, Courtney
22:34Right
22:35You're a little bit of fun
22:36Let's come out
22:37Have a bit of fun, yeah
22:38I had a message on WhatsApp saying, if I was 10 years younger, from this guy.
22:44When I didn't say I was having sex with him, Connie, have you got proof?
22:47What does that mean, let's have a bit of fun?
22:49It's saying let's have a bit of fun.
22:49Can I do this differently?
22:53Can you do me a favor? Can you just go in there a sec?
22:55Just go relax.
22:57Just listen to me.
22:59I know you don't have to take on board anything I say, but my conscience is a father tells me.
23:04I want to say this to you.
23:05But I think I totally get right now that you are happy in your mind, and in your mind, for somebody twice your age to say you don't know what you're feeling, you don't know what you're doing, is disrespectful.
23:18And I hope, hear me out, that it's good.
23:22Life tells me, whether you like this or not, that it won't be.
23:26That a man that can do that to his girlfriend and girlfriend or daughter will do exactly the same to you.
23:30So what I'm saying to you is, think long and hard, don't cut yourself off from everybody.
23:36Okay, there are obviously issues with your mother, which have been exacerbated by this, I get that.
23:41But when you put your eggs into one basket, at such a young age, okay, and it goes wrong, then I start to worry.
23:47Steph, come here a sec, please.
23:49Just, you have your right to make your own decisions in life.
23:52And I don't want to say I told you so, but just make sure you protect yourself, all right?
23:58That's all your mum.
24:00Steph, all yours.
24:01Where's Michelle?
24:03Is she here?
24:05So, listen.
24:09If you are, if you're telling me the truth, and that you're done, then don't have him in the house.
24:18No, not at all.
24:18I support what you say about the kid. I think that's a very young girl with a lot of angst against you for whatever reason.
24:26I don't know whether she's point scoring.
24:29I think she is.
24:30I think she's definitely taken in.
24:32But I'm done with her, and I'm done with him.
24:33Well, I'm going to tell you something. If you're half the woman I think you are, however bad, in time, the door should stay ajar,
24:38because I think she's going to have some pretty, tired times, and I think she's going to need you.
24:43Listen, I'm sorry. I'm sorry it hasn't been great. We'll do our best to look after. We're going to abate back after it's not been great.
24:50You can't have done this last week! You can't have done this the last time we were on!
24:56Shut your face, you!
24:57Make me!
24:58Come on, then!
25:01Now, I said sit down for the end of supper minutes.
25:04This test says you're a liar, love.
25:30This isn't about you. This is about your children.
25:32Oh, here we go, the part of him first.
25:35OK, more happiness after...
25:37Oh, get off!
25:40No, no, no, no, no!
25:45Oh, my Lord.
25:47Nick Phillips, go through us to put up with this.
25:54If someone you know leading a double life, maybe you suspect your partner of having a baby or an affair with someone else.
26:00If you're 16 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show, email talk at ITV.com along with your number, text TALK plus your name to 63334, text costs 25 pence plus one standard rate message, or you can call my team today.
26:13It's 09011, it's 123456, calls cost 25 pence plus network access charge.
26:18Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back. My next guest today, Karen needs no introduction after she appeared on a previous, slightly explosive episode of the JK Show. Take a look at this, my friends.
26:34You've described her as a potential lady of the night, a big fat mess and a whale, who's basically a cheat.
26:43Basically, she's a control freak.
26:45She said she had an affair.
26:47She's a liar.
26:48Did you have sex with her?
26:49No, I didn't have a lie detector.
26:51To prove you haven't slept with me!
26:53We asked you to do a lie detector to prove that you didn't have sex with her and you refused.
26:57I don't believe you at all.
27:01Do a lie detector then, why would you not?
27:03Because I don't need to.
27:05You've got something to hide, Paul!
27:07I've got nothing to hide.
27:08I've got nothing to hide.
27:08I've got nothing to hide.
27:11My relationship, you know nothing!
27:15You know nothing!
27:16Why don't you do a lie detector to prove that we were sleeping together beyond your back?
27:21You said to my team, he was terrible in bed.
27:25Yes, he was!
27:26I know for a fact, Paul would not come near you, he doesn't need to.
27:29It was before I was with Lance, 11 years ago!
27:33Before...
27:33So this is down to me.
27:36I said we've got to find out because we're wondering who's telling the truth.
27:38So surprise, surprise, Karen is back today with Paul for all important lie detector results.
27:42Well, we will find out the truth.
27:43Did they have sex?
27:45Will he admit that that's what happened?
27:47Karen is back on the Jeremy Carter Show.
27:50Give her a round of applause.
27:51CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
27:53What are you doing?
27:57I want this sorted.
27:59Why shouting at me?
28:00Enough's enough.
28:01He could have done this when we were on the last time.
28:04So just because I never asked you, but can you sit down?
28:07Yeah, I'll sit down.
28:07So although you're now with his brother, Lance...
28:10Yes, I've had been for 10 years.
28:12...before you were with Lance, so we just get this fresh.
28:14You maintain that you and Paul had, what, a one-night stand, a relationship?
28:19No, it was buddies.
28:21Over two months.
28:22So if I wanted it, I was on the phone and said, I need it, come and get it.
28:27LAUGHTER
28:28Simple.
28:30It wasn't a relationship, as if I wanted it, I could get it.
28:33What, sex?
28:33Yes.
28:34Was he good?
28:35No.
28:35Why?
28:35LAUGHTER
28:36He's a one potato.
28:40And my husband's a two-and-a-half potato.
28:43It's tiny.
28:44What is a one potato?
28:47The size of my fist.
28:48And my husband's a two-and-a-half potato.
28:54There come one potato, two potatoes.
28:59CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
29:00Steve.
29:04LAUGHTER
29:05You could have done this last week!
29:08You could have done this the last time we were on.
29:10One potato, two potato, three potato more.
29:13That's me.
29:14Go away!
29:16Go away!
29:17No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
29:19I'm fed up.
29:20I am fed up to the back of teeth of you.
29:23And?
29:23Fed up to the back of you.
29:24Do I ask you to come out?
29:25Go away!
29:26I'm telling you.
29:27And you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you,
29:33and you...
29:33Stop it!
29:33Yeah, you, oh, man.
29:36I'm fed up with you, tell you.
29:38If he was telling the truth, why didn't he do the lie detector the last time he was on?
29:41Are you the two-and-a-half potato, man?
29:44Give me that.
29:45I am.
29:45So you phoned him up if you wanted sex, yes, he wasn't very good, it's lovely this show, isn't it, and he's like, why are you out to prove it?
30:00Because he's saying to everybody that I'm the liar, and it's not the first time he's cheated, I've seen him around town lately, I've seen him around town lately.
30:122.5 potatoes, sit down.
30:15Why should I jam me?
30:16What?
30:17Why should I?
30:18I'm on your side, too, and our potatoes, sit down.
30:21He should have done a laser attack before.
30:23We've got him to do one, be quiet.
30:25Right, listen.
30:26No, he's...
30:27My God. Anyway, this is a man you say you had sex with.
30:31He says you're a fanta...
30:33Lance.
30:34Lance.
30:35Hold it together.
30:37Paul's on the Jeremy Kyle show again, that way.
30:43Take a seat.
30:48Why are you so angry, Paul?
30:53Right, first of all, Jeremy, eh?
30:55Right.
30:56First of all, I wanted...
30:58Stop lying!
31:00I...
31:01I wanted an apology from you.
31:03For what?
31:04What for?
31:05Because the last time he was on...
31:06Paul, are you full of...
31:07Shut your face, you!
31:08Megman!
31:09Megman!
31:10Hey!
31:11Hey!
31:12Boy, you know what I mean?
31:13Megman!
31:14Screw it!
31:15Didn't he tell you that?
31:17Well, that's the past.
31:18You shouldn't be...
31:19No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!
31:21You shut your face!
31:23Don't stop!
31:24You shut your face!
31:25You shut your face, eh?
31:26No!
31:27First of all...
31:28You have no right to bring your past into it!
31:29No, you don't!
31:30I can do what I want!
31:31No, you don't say it!
31:32Put away as your wife!
31:33Paul!
31:34She is a mother.
31:35What does she do to you again?
31:36Dance, dance, dance.
31:37If you don't shut...
31:38Come on, then!
31:39Come on!
31:40Come on!
31:41Come on!
31:42Come on!
31:43Come on!
31:44Come on!
31:45Come on!
31:46Come on!
31:47Come on!
31:48Come on!
31:49Come on!
31:50Come on!
31:51Come on!
31:52Come on!
31:53Come on!
31:54Come on!
31:55Now!
31:56I said...
31:57Sit down for the eight stuff minutes!
31:58You!
31:59Especially the youngest...
32:00This is called the Jeremy Kyle Show!
32:01Get off!
32:02My dad!
32:03Shut up!
32:04Get off!
32:05No!
32:06On your bike!
32:07I'm out to him!
32:08Oh, wow!
32:09Do you know what your husband's like, do you?
32:10He's a cheech!
32:11He's a cheech!
32:12He's a cheech!
32:13He's a cheech!
32:14He's a cheech!
32:15No, he's not!
32:16Yes, he is!
32:17He's been that time with other women!
32:18Why am I cheating?
32:19Because you've been saying other women as well, haven't you?
32:21Pardon?
32:22You've been saying other women as well, haven't you?
32:23I'm out!
32:24I'm out!
32:25You go and sit down!
32:26No, not there!
32:27Out!
32:28Go!
32:29Right, as I was saying...
32:30No, sit down!
32:31As I was saying, mate, you owe my wife an apology!
32:33Who's your wife?
32:34Pardon?
32:35Why?
32:36Because you disrespected her the last time!
32:38And you haven't been cheating on her then, no?
32:40I haven't cheated on her, no!
32:41So you're going to pass the line?
32:42No, no, because I don't really...
32:44Oh, my God!
32:45You don't really think you're going to pass the line, detective!
32:47You're going to have sex with her!
32:48No!
32:49Yes, you have!
32:50Well, I'll tell you what's really interesting!
32:52Out of the bag!
32:53No, no, no!
32:54If I could get a wife for calling for what you called her...
32:57What did I call your wife?
32:58What did you call her?
32:59Change!
33:00What did I call her?
33:01Change!
33:02You can't remember!
33:04You can't remember!
33:05We've got no words!
33:06Paul!
33:07Oh, really?
33:08Change!
33:09I don't know!
33:10You're not prepared to say something!
33:12I will!
33:13You know you said you didn't...
33:14Listen, you know you...
33:16So I'm out of here!
33:17Oh, you're out of here!
33:18Why's that?
33:19Bye!
33:20Bye!
33:21Can you bring your son who actually caught you having sex with him?
33:24Can you bring him out of the bag with me?
33:26Can you bring your son this way?
33:28Sorry, could you...
33:29Sorry, we've got a son here.
33:31What's the son called?
33:32What's the son called?
33:33What's the son called?
33:34Paul, there's one thing you need to do before you walk off, because you look guilty!
33:37Seriously, mate!
33:38Her son...
33:39Her son's here!
33:40He adopted my wife!
33:41That doesn't happen!
33:42What did I say?
33:43What did I say?
33:44You need to open the door!
33:46I'm out of here!
33:47I'm sure you are!
33:48And you're out of here because you're going to be outed, aren't you?
33:51No, I'm not!
33:52No, I'm not!
33:53No, I'm not!
33:54You keep running away!
33:55No, where's the son?
33:56Not you!
33:57I don't want to hear her!
33:58Get your son!
33:59Get your son now!
34:00Bobby, get the son!
34:01What's he called?
34:02Don't shout at me!
34:03Don't say a word!
34:04Excuse me, excuse me!
34:05John's now 18!
34:06You know you're the liar!
34:07I call you f***ing my mum!
34:08Did you wake up!
34:09I'm in a age of seven, and you f***ing my mum start f***ing naked!
34:14There's a nobody doing you!
34:15No, he doesn't believe you!
34:17He won't give up!
34:18He won't give up!
34:19He won't give up!
34:20He won't give up!
34:21He won't give up!
34:22He won't give up!
34:23He won't give up!
34:24He won't give up!
34:25He won't give up!
34:26He won't give up!
34:27He won't give up!
34:28He's not supposed to be because he knows what to do with this.
34:33Yes, he is.
34:34I call him.
34:35He's running away.
34:37Because he's a liar.
34:38I'm already there.
34:39He's a liar.
34:40I'm already there.
34:41You're a joke.
34:42You pathetic boy.
34:43Come on, follow me.
34:44Where are we going now?
34:47Where are we going now?
34:48Because we've got to give you the results.
34:50Where's your wife?
34:52Can I get the wife?
34:53The lovely wife?
34:53Where's the lovely wife?
34:54Let's keep walking.
34:56You're going to try and go down there?
34:58Where are we going down there?
34:59No.
34:59I'm out of here.
35:00Could I get the wife, please?
35:01That'd be nice.
35:02He's out of here.
35:03Get me the stick, Mike, somebody.
35:05He's taking that off.
35:06You're taking that.
35:07Oh, brilliant.
35:07Okay.
35:07You don't want the microphone.
35:09Can we hurry up a bit, you lot?
35:10I want the stick, Mike.
35:11I'm trying, but I fell over because I was trying to get here yesterday.
35:15Hold on.
35:16Here we go.
35:16Look, he's now.
35:17We're now leaving the studio.
35:19We're not leaving the studio, are we?
35:20Oh, this is what I do.
35:21Oh, this is what I do.
35:22Come here.
35:23Come here.
35:27Focus, shut up, and listen.
35:29Okay?
35:30He called you smug.
35:32I'm going to get out of manners and respect for people.
35:34Well, then get him to behave himself, then.
35:37If he's going to stop running around, we'll get the results.
35:39He's obviously telling the truth, he says, and then we're done with it.
35:41Are you going to apologize to me?
35:43For what?
35:43Call me smug.
35:44Are you going to apologize?
35:44Sorry, can you get him to calm down?
35:47Right.
35:47Why don't you keep running off like a child?
35:48Focus.
35:50Focus?
35:52He's an anti-father.
35:53You're not.
35:54You agreed to do this because you say that she's a fantasist.
35:58And, sorry, what's your name again?
35:59Pam.
36:00Pam, you stand by your husband.
36:02Could you come a little nearer with her?
36:03Yeah.
36:03We've got the son who says that he caught your...
36:06Because I don't really understand what the deal is,
36:08apart from the fact that either he's a liar or she is.
36:10So we asked your husband, have you ever passionately kissed Karen?
36:13You said no.
36:14Why did you say, this test says you're a liar?
36:16Hey, I told you!
36:18Told you!
36:19Have you ever...
36:20So this isn't me being smug.
36:21I'm just reading it.
36:22Have you ever had sexual contact with Karen?
36:24You said no.
36:24The test says you were a liar.
36:26Have you ever had sexual intercourse with Karen?
36:28You said no.
36:29So this is me being smug.
36:30Your husband's a liar.
36:31I'm a liar.
36:33Stay out of my life.
36:34What are you going to do about it?
36:35He's lied to you for the last eight years.
36:37That's why you've been running away.
36:37That's why...
36:38Liar!
36:39Am I a...
36:40Prove your husband a liar, you mother?
36:42Stay out of my life.
36:43What about talking to your husband is a liar?
36:48What about talking to your husband is a liar?
36:50No, I'm having a...
36:52What do I need to...
36:53I'm having a...
36:54Well, you don't need to...
36:56Take off my dick!
36:58Eh?
36:58Just a cake off for a minute, will you?
37:00No, it's lied!
37:00Your husband's lied to you, darling.
37:02No, I'm lying!
37:03I'm lying in the last ten years!
37:05But it's...
37:05Pardon?
37:06No.
37:08No.
37:08And you said that your husband is not a liar.
37:11Now, leave us alone!
37:13You don't...
37:14Now, with your lies!
37:15You don't need to sound so happy.
37:17He is my family, my husband.
37:19I'm off, I'm going.
37:20See you later.
37:21Nice to meet you.
37:21Thank you very much.
37:22Thank you very much.
37:23Thank you very much.
37:24Thank you very much.
37:25Thank you very much.
37:26Come on.
37:27Yes, fine, fine.
37:28So, you...
37:31So, why did you fail the test then?
37:34I don't know.
37:35I mean, I don't...
37:35Sorry, but...
37:37Do you know, apparently...
37:38But I absolutely stand by that test a million cents,
37:41and actually, I have a degree of sympathy for you,
37:42because I think that you have been very loyal
37:45and very supportive of him,
37:46and now he's behaved like this.
37:47You ran away because you knew you'd fail,
37:49and you've shouted and screamed,
37:51yes, you have!
37:52And your wife, whatever you know,
37:54No, she deserves better than you lying. I'm out of here. Give him a round of applause.
38:05I think she's telling him off. Don't go anywhere. More after the break. Right back. See ya!
38:09Do you love her? Yeah. You say I'd be heartbroken if she fails.
38:12I'd say I'd leave her, but I don't know if that will happen. I'm just in love with this woman.
38:17We asked Shannon since the start of your relationship with Jamie.
38:20Have you passionately kissed anyone else? She said no. Why'd you say no, Shannon?
38:23It's coming true.
38:39It's all kicking off. Security.
38:48This test says you're a liar, love.
38:49This isn't about you. This is about your children.
38:54Oh, here we go. The car is in place.
38:56Okay, more happiness up.
39:00Oh, get off.
39:02No, no, no, no, baby!
39:06Oh, my lord.
39:07Nick Phillips, go for us to put up with this.
39:10Do you think you're being lied to? Do you have evidence to prove it, like home videos, recordings or texts that you want to confront someone with?
39:22If you're 18 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show, email talk at ITV.com along with your number, text talk plus your name to 63334, text cost 25 pence plus one standard rate message, or you can call my team today.
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39:40APPLAUSE
39:50Welcome back. The next guest today, Jamie, is here because he's utterly convinced that his girlfriend Shannon has been cheating on him.
39:55He says there's no trust in the relationship because she is constantly on social media talking to men that he doesn't know, despite the fact that she's forced him to delete all of his female friends from his Facebook page.
40:05I have absolutely no idea what that means, save to say they painfully don't trust each other.
40:10Jamie's on The Jeremy Carr Show that way.
40:18So you'll have to help me out, I'm an old man, you're a young man, 28, I'll prove I'm not cheating, but if my girlfriend fails the lie, I'll take her off.
40:24What's going on? How long have you been with Shannon?
40:26Seven, eight months.
40:27Love of your life?
40:28Yeah.
40:29I mean, it was good to start with, but then the doubt started.
40:32She has quite a few male friends and it makes you paranoid. Why?
40:35Why can't a woman have male friends and a man have...
40:37She can do. I never said nothing about that before.
40:39You say she has time off work to beat them.
40:41That's what I think.
40:42So you've got no proof?
40:44No.
40:45Why are you here, Jamie?
40:47Just to put things to rest between us both.
40:50Erm...
40:51I, I, I, I, I was so registered and I'm thinking, you're either very sweet or very naive.
40:56Erm, you're, you're forced to delete any women you've got off Facebook, but she seems to have male friends.
41:01You didn't have sex for six weeks, which I thought was lovely and I thought that was a thing.
41:04And now you think that's because she was having it elsewhere.
41:06Yeah.
41:07What is wrong with you?
41:08Have you been cheated on before?
41:10Maybe once or twice.
41:11What do you mean maybe once or twice?
41:12Well, once that I know of, like, but obviously I'm not going to say.
41:16So, would you describe yourself as insecure?
41:18Do you love this woman?
41:19Can you talk to me?
41:20Yeah.
41:21Because it's a talk show.
41:22It's a new concept.
41:23It just seems too good to be true.
41:24What, the relationship?
41:25Yeah.
41:26Mate, really?
41:27Well, you've never had a woman like this before, so you think it's all going to go...
41:31Sort of, yeah.
41:32So, it's so good that you think there's got to be something wrong.
41:35So, erm, when she's at work, and actually, you know, I, I get, I'll give you this.
41:39I'll be at home thinking, I'm sat here waiting, where is she, where is she?
41:42You're thinking about it all the time.
41:44Yeah, pretty much.
41:45Do you love her?
41:46Yeah.
41:47You say I'd be heartbroken if she fails.
41:49I'd say I'd leave her, but I don't know if that will happen.
41:51I'm just in love with this woman.
41:53Yeah.
41:54You're going to pass the test 100%.
41:56Yeah.
41:57Totally confident.
41:58Yeah.
41:59And if she does, what happens then?
42:00Are we going to have a Jamie smile?
42:01Are we going to have a romantic moment?
42:03Are you going to whisk her off to the hotel and...
42:05Are you paying for it again?
42:07LAUGHTER
42:09Really?
42:10If she passes the test, I will pay for you two to go for dinner.
42:14Yeah.
42:15APPLAUSE
42:19Shannon's on the Jeremy Kyle show, that way.
42:21CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
42:29Have you cheated on him?
42:30No.
42:31Then why are you on social media all the time, two other blokes, you horrendously cheating girl?
42:35I haven't, no.
42:36Talk to him.
42:37That's him being paranoid about me.
42:38Why is he paranoid?
42:39I don't know, past relationships maybe, but I haven't done anything ever.
42:43Can we be honest today?
42:44I'm going to prove I haven't cheated on Jamie and I hope he can do the same.
42:46It's breaking us.
42:47Can you tell him what he's doing to you?
42:49Because he's driving you nuts, isn't he?
42:50And in the end, paranoia will annoy.
42:52Tell him.
42:53Obviously, it's in your head.
42:54It's just constantly in my head when you're accusing me and I haven't done anything.
42:58It makes me think that you've done something.
43:00And now I think you've both done something because you've accused me.
43:02I mean, it was all going wrong.
43:03I know he chatted to another woman at the beginning of our relationship.
43:06Yeah.
43:07You are allowed to chat to the opposite sex.
43:09No, not like that.
43:11Cheated on me with someone else at the start.
43:14Sorry?
43:15Sorry, Jamie.
43:16You didn't mention this, Mr. Paranoia.
43:19Why are you laughing?
43:20You had sex with somebody else?
43:22Yeah.
43:23Like a week into the relationship, I didn't know what she wanted.
43:26Well, that's all right then, is it?
43:27And that'll be why you're feeling slightly insecure, you idiots.
43:30Nothing to do with her!
43:33And that'll be because presumably you think that all the Paranoia have been in that position.
43:38I'm sorry.
43:39You are thinking, I did that.
43:40She let me go.
43:41She's going to do the same score points back at me, yeah?
43:44Yeah.
43:45That's called justice, pal.
43:46That's called Gil.
43:47Deal with it.
43:48What do you want me to say?
43:49No.
43:50Do you love him?
43:51Yeah, definitely.
43:52If he passes and you pass, what happens?
43:53He's taking you out for dinner.
43:54I'm in pain for you to go to Nando's, that'd be lovely.
43:56Yeah.
43:57What's the relationship like at the moment?
43:58It's just obviously constant arguments about the same feelings.
44:01You say he thinks you're cheating when you're asleep.
44:03How does that work?
44:04Yeah, like, when he's been on nights, he thinks I'm going elsewhere.
44:07When he's at work and I'm not, I'm at home.
44:09Do you live together?
44:10Yeah.
44:11And you do nights?
44:13Sometimes, yeah.
44:14What, do you wake up sometimes and go, I'm going to work tonight?
44:17No, rotating shifts, like sometimes it could be nights.
44:20Do you honestly think she's cheated?
44:2299%, bet she hasn't.
44:24And if she has, you'll accept that because you did the same and then you move on?
44:29Maybe.
44:31Who's first?
44:32What?
44:33Who's first?
44:34Sorry, I should have said that.
44:35Er, Shannon.
44:36Yeah.
44:37You all right?
44:38Yeah.
44:39We asked Shannon since the start of your relationship with Jamie, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
44:43You said no, why'd you say no, Shannon?
44:45Telling the truth.
44:46It says you're a liar, love.
44:49I haven't.
44:50I have not done that, so do it again.
44:52Read the rest of them.
44:53Read the rest of them.
44:54You've failed every single question.
44:55I haven't.
44:56I haven't, Jamie.
44:57I haven't.
44:58Don't start on me.
44:59I just read it.
45:00I haven't.
45:01Read you that.
45:02I have not.
45:03I've just been proven wrong after 14 years.
45:04I haven't.
45:05Hold it.
45:06I haven't.
45:07I haven't.
45:08But that means you've lied about something.
45:09I haven't.
45:10Why are you jumping up and down now?
45:11I have not done anything.
45:12Anything to say?
45:14I'm gobsmacked.
45:15At the start of the test, Jamie admitted to having sex with someone else at the beginning of the relationship, which Shannon is aware of.
45:20We asked him, since the start of your relationship, other than what you've admitted to, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
45:24You said no.
45:25Why did you say no?
45:26Just telling the truth.
45:27It says you're a liar as well.
45:28Actually, I don't know why.
45:29I haven't, Jamie.
45:30I can't do that now.
45:31Well, he spelled every single question as well.
45:32You must be a spit-chop or someone, hadn't it?
45:33I'll tell you what I think the best thing to do would be, I think, why don't you both just tear them up and go and get on with your lives?
45:48Because it's obviously going really well.
45:49No, no, it's obviously going really well, isn't it?
45:52Because you needed to come here.
45:53You can do what you want, young lady.
45:55I'll stand by a million percent.
45:56You lied about something, both of you did in the test.
45:58No, I haven't lied about anything.
45:59It's amazing to watch people change reaction.
46:00Do it again, then.
46:01Do it again.
46:02I could do it again.
46:03Yeah.
46:04Admit.
46:05Something happened.
46:06I haven't admitted anything because I haven't done anything.
46:07So you believe yours or you don't believe yours?
46:08Pardon?
46:09Do you believe your test?
46:10No.
46:11Do you believe his?
46:12I don't, I don't.
46:13I don't know.
46:14Do you believe, do you believe yours?
46:17No.
46:18Do you believe hers?
46:19I don't know.
46:20I don't think I do.
46:21Absolutely rest my bleeding case.
46:25Have you stitched this up or something?
46:28No.
46:29You just said, don't insult my intelligence stuff.
46:31You just said on camera, mine's rubbish, I don't believe it.
46:34Do you believe it?
46:35Well, I'm not sure.
46:36No, I didn't say, did you believe this?
46:38I said, have you stitched this up or something?
46:40Because I've not, I haven't done anything.
46:41I'm not even going to qualify that with an ar** written all over your face.
46:45I haven't got nothing written all over me.
46:46I haven't done anything to do it again.
46:47Really?
46:48No relationship can be like this, okay?
46:49The two of you don't trust each other.
46:50Um, not a tear in her eye.
46:51Oh, whatever.
46:52Graham's doing his best.
46:53Um, your guilt, by the way, is making you paranoid because you cheated.
46:55Something definitely happened.
46:56Yeah, maybe it is, yeah.
46:57But I haven't done nothing since that day.
46:58So I don't know why that test is saying that.
46:59Well, then, you and your girlfriend can go off today knowing that you can both say it's
47:00Jeremy's fault.
47:01We're very happy together.
47:02Yeah.
47:03Maybe I will.
47:04Yeah.
47:05Yeah.
47:06Yeah.
47:07Yeah.
47:08Yeah.
47:09Yeah.
47:10Yeah.
47:11Yeah.
47:12Yeah.
47:13Yeah.
47:14Yeah.
47:15Yeah.
47:16Yeah.
47:17Yeah.
47:18Yeah.
47:19Yeah.
47:20Yeah.
47:21Yeah.
47:22Yeah.
47:23Yeah.
47:24Yeah.
47:25Yeah.
47:26Yeah.
47:27Yeah.
47:28Maybe I will.
47:29Yeah.
47:30Yeah.
47:31Yeah.
47:32Nice meeting you.
47:33Nice to see you.
47:34See you later.
47:35Yeah.
47:36There's one good thing out of all of this.
47:39I ain't paying for dinner.
47:40See you soon.
47:41Take care.
47:42Goodbye.
47:43Bye.
47:44Bye.
47:45Bye.