The Jeremy kyle Show 27th September 2018
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00:00On today's show
00:02Today the child see emma the reason you have the doubts is because she was sleeping with somebody else
00:08Yeah, because you do school when you think your dad of the year. I found some knickers hidden at the side of his bed
00:15But they were dirty
00:19In the past five weeks that I've been at Sue's house every day he's held that baby once when she needed money for baby milk
00:25It was me that bought the baby milk
00:27You know what I'm here for the kids, right? No
00:32Listen you said you said you said you've had your say can you shut up don't speak to me like I'm not earning this means a lot
00:39She doesn't it yeah, it does
00:41The DNA test results show the poor
00:47If you dance to somebody doesn't mean cheating is it it depends when you're taking it then you're grinding up from someone then it's different
00:53Oh, God, I'm old I was thinking ballroom. He's saying grinding
00:58We asked Bobby to study a relationship with Jay three years ago. We have sexual intercourse with no she said no, why'd you say no?
01:23Oh
01:25Beautiful
01:26Hello friends, good morning and a big big welcome to the show right my first guest today Paul is here to find out whether he's the father to ex-sues 16 week old daughter
01:35He says he was utterly heartbroken to find out when Sue was pregnant that she'd slept with another man
01:39And he says that despite the doubt he's been an amazing dad and today he wants to get the truth and
01:45Win back the love of his life Paul's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
01:59How are you?
02:01Oh sit down
02:05Good
02:07You're 56 and she's 26. I'm 55
02:12How long you been with Sue? How'd you meet?
02:15I've known the family for years
02:18and
02:19Doesn't sound great that does it?
02:20Well I've known her for years but
02:22You know there's always slight
02:26You know favourites in family
02:28Yeah? Yeah
02:29This child this 16 week 4 month old child is that the only child that you have?
02:34No there's three other ones
02:36Are you together at the moment?
02:39No we're not together
02:40Why?
02:41At the moment
02:42You say everything was good until she started having sex with her doorman
02:46Well I
02:47It's not going to help is it?
02:49No
02:51She told me about it
02:53Right?
02:54Doesn't make it right though does it?
02:55No it doesn't make it right
02:56You say that she's changed
02:59Yeah
03:00I've done everything I can as a father
03:01All my kids love me
03:02I do the school runs
03:04She cheats on me
03:05And now she's changed
03:06She spends a lot of time with her best mate Claire
03:10And I've been pushed out
03:11That's how you feel right?
03:12Erm
03:13Cheats on me
03:14Erm
03:15Cheats on me
03:16Erm
03:17Well we
03:18We have our breakups
03:20We've been together seven years like I say
03:22Do you love her?
03:23With all my heart
03:25And today the child Sienna
03:28Yeah
03:29You said she's my world I live for that baby and I hope the DNA proves I'm the dad
03:32The reason you have the doubts is because she was sleeping with somebody else
03:37Yeah
03:39What if Sienna's yours but she doesn't want to get back with you?
03:44That's okay
03:45I'm here for the kids
03:47Alright
03:49OK listen we'll do our best alright
03:51Erm
03:55Erm
03:56I'm not going to lie to you
03:57She says I met Paul seven years ago
04:00Er
04:01The nightmare
04:02The sex was never amazing
04:03I did all the work
04:05Sue's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
04:14You did say that
04:16Well you did say that
04:17Pardon?
04:18You did say that
04:19No I'm on about being a good dad
04:22Is he a good dad?
04:23No
04:26See you just compare it once a week because you do school when you think you're dad of the year
04:30You say at his daughter's party Paul got a lap dance and kissed a random woman in front of you
04:36I saw messages from Paul to another woman saying he liked her tattoos
04:40He made me feel fat and unloved after I gave birth he wouldn't come on speak
04:44Yeah he did
04:45In lockdowns
04:46No well this
04:47When
04:48When she was all over you at the party
04:52Tell me about the lacy knickers
04:54Who was all over me?
04:55Oh well
04:56I was cleaning up a bit and I found some knickers hidden at the side of his bed and he said that he got them for me
05:03There was those
05:04But they were dirty
05:05Who's knickers were...
05:10Whose knickers were they?
05:12Apparently mine
05:13Were they?
05:14No
05:15Come on talk
05:16Help me out
05:17Yes they were
05:18No you said you'd set fire to them and chuck them out the window if they weren't mine
05:21And what did you do five seconds later?
05:22No I said
05:23You set fire to them and chuck them out the window
05:24You said I did sleep with another man but we were on a break it's only 50-50 that he's the dad and I hope he's not
05:33What do you mean he wants to win you back?
05:35Leave him deserve her
05:36Leave him deserve to be the dad
05:37He says he's dad of the year
05:39No he's not
05:40I hope you were the dad
05:42Leave him if you deserve to be her dad
05:44Well maybe you shouldn't have had unprotected sex with both of you then
05:47I'm a bit of honour
05:49Yeah I know
05:50I know
05:51I know
05:52I know
05:53I know
05:54So what's the situation with him?
05:55You're not you
05:56You gave a lot backstage and you just sat there saying nothing and he's going wow
06:00Because obviously you've changed
06:01He says this all comes from your mate
06:03That your mate poisons your mind
06:05What do you think about him?
06:06I've told him I don't like him anymore
06:08He's put it on himself
06:09We're here for the kids right
06:10I don't want to hear this
06:11What do you mean you don't like him anymore?
06:13Because he's
06:14All these years that he's treated me like
06:16Have you?
06:17What's he done?
06:18He's just
06:19He's not a boyfriend
06:20Overtreated you
06:21You don't do nothing
06:22You sit on your phone all day
06:23On my phone?
06:24I ain't even got a phone
06:25You sit there watching me do everything while you have a brew
06:28When I come down all I see is top of your head you're on Facebook
06:31Whatever
06:33Do you feed the kids?
06:34Do your bathroom?
06:35No
06:36I do it
06:37After I've text you so I can talk to you
06:39Do you not work?
06:41Do you not work?
06:43No
06:44No
06:45How long have you been split up?
06:46Since the beginning of July
06:48How many times have you seen the kids since the beginning of July?
06:51Well everyday but
06:53He's not there for the kids
06:55Oh
06:56He's seen the kids everyday but he's not there for them?
06:58No
06:59What does that mean?
07:00Because he comes to the house
07:01Yeah
07:02And he stays there all day so he sees the kids
07:03Yeah
07:04But if I say to him you can stay but he has to stay in the kids room he won't
07:07But then when I say he can stay in my room then
07:09So has he stayed in your room in the last two months?
07:11Yeah
07:12Have you had sex?
07:13Yeah
07:14He gave me a massage when I sit down
07:19Sorry hold on a minute, hold on a minute, hold on a minute
07:24So if somebody comes to your house and gives you a massage
07:28Not just anybody
07:30So if he comes to
07:31I've been living seven years
07:32So if he comes to your house despite the fact you think he's awful
07:37And massaged
07:39Whereabouts?
07:40Why did I ask that?
07:41Well hold on
07:42Whereabouts do you need to be massaged?
07:44Just a back massage
07:45Back massage
07:46So all he's got to do is go round your house
07:48Massage your back and it's a sure thing
07:51No, not every time no
07:52How many times have you had sex with him since you got rid of him?
07:55Erm
07:56I don't know
07:57What?
07:58Twice I think
07:59Do you think he's the father?
08:02Oh look
08:03I'm not sure
08:05Do you want him to be or not?
08:10You've got three other children with him haven't you?
08:12Well yeah that's why I want him to be the dad
08:14You'd like him to be the dad and then it's easy
08:16And then he won't stay together but occasionally he'll come round for a massage
08:19Yeah?
08:20No
08:21Claire, who's Claire?
08:22She's my best mate
08:23She's on after the break plus those all important DNA results don't go anywhere off for a massage
08:28See you in a minute
08:29What's her date of birth for?
08:30What did I give you over there?
08:32No
08:33Amazing dad of you
08:34When did I call you a lesbian?
08:35You accused me and Sue of being at it and that's why
08:37No I didn't
08:38I do love him but I'm not in love with him
08:40I can't believe I'm doing a television programme where we're actually having a conversation about the fact that she went out dancing
08:47So?
08:48It's from the start of the relationship the trust has never been there
08:51Well then why'd you ask her to marry you then?
08:53Have you been left holding the baby and you want to confront your ex? Maybe you're raising someone else's child
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09:31Welcome back for the break
09:32We're talking to exes Paul and Sue
09:34Claire's your best mate
09:35She says he's a deadbeat dad
09:37Claire the masseuse is on the Jeremy Kyle show
09:47How long have you been her friend?
09:49I've known her since 2015 but we have become close over the summer holidays
09:53You had quite a lot to say about this man you called him a deadbeat dad
09:55How the hell would you know? You haven't been around for long
09:57Because like I said I've known her since 2015
09:59So what do you make of him?
10:00So what do you make of him?
10:01In the past five weeks that I've been at Sue's house every day he's held that baby once
10:06When she needed money for baby milk it was me that bought the baby milk
10:09Answer that
10:10When she needed nappies it was me that bought the nappies
10:12You love that little girl she's amazing
10:14You told my team that he looks like Steven Seagal on ketamine
10:18What did I give you?
10:20What did I give you over there?
10:22What's her date of birth off?
10:23What did I give you over there?
10:24No
10:25Amazing dad of the year
10:26When did I call you a lesbian?
10:28You accused me and Sue of being at it
10:30And that's why we should be like we might as well get married
10:32No I didn't
10:33Have you been at it?
10:34No
10:35No I didn't
10:36How many kids have you got?
10:37Five
10:38Five?
10:39I don't know what he's telling me
10:41How old are you?
10:4229
10:4320 what?
10:4429
10:45Five kit all by the same man?
10:47No
10:49At least I'm honest and I admit it and I know we're not here for it
10:52We're not here for it anyway
10:53We're going to look after all five you look right
10:55Yes I do
10:56Swagging off
10:57Who's getting the
10:59Hang on slagging them off
11:00You've said I've poisoned her mind
11:01No I've not
11:02I've made her realise her worth
11:04There's a difference between mind control and showing her what she is
11:07I'm here for the kids right?
11:09No you're not
11:10You're saying out
11:11If you're there for the kids
11:12Why when she says you can stay in the girls room
11:15Why say oh I'm not bothering
11:16Yes I do
11:17Why when you go to the kids birthday party
11:18Do you turn up smashed and kick off?
11:19Yes I do
11:20Paul are you coming in?
11:22You might as well
11:23What?
11:24He does
11:26You're getting more bizarre by the minute I just like to point out
11:28You're not going to sit before your phone broke
11:30Jeremy you're going to do the TNA results
11:33Jeremy you're going to do the TNA results
11:37I mean you are leading him a little bit up the garden path
11:40Yeah well I've said to him not to come to the ace now
11:42I don't want him to come to the ace
11:43What because you're scared he'll give you a massage?
11:45No
11:46Because
11:47No?
11:48He said he's not interested in me just the kids
11:50So if he wants to see the kids you can see him elsewhere
11:52He doesn't need to come to the ace
11:54After what you've said
11:56I do love him but I'm not in love with him
11:59Can he get that back?
12:01Get what back?
12:02The love back
12:03Probably not no
12:05Probably not
12:06No because
12:07No
12:09Not happening
12:11Do you
12:12I mean what if she said I want to be back with him
12:15Would you talk her out of it?
12:16I don't want to be back with him
12:17Yes you would
12:18No I wouldn't talk her out of it
12:19It's not to her what she does
12:20Well listen
12:21Listen
12:22You're here to comfort Sue right?
12:23Yeah I am
12:24Deserves better
12:25She does
12:26The kids deserve better
12:27If you want to be a dad go for it
12:28The kids deserve better?
12:29Yeah
12:30Yeah
12:31Right
12:32Well listen
12:33You've had your say
12:34Can you just shut up now?
12:35You've had your say
12:36Can you shut up?
12:37Don't speak to me like I'm not her mate
12:38One month?
12:39I've been around a lot longer than that though haven't I?
12:41No
12:42Let's not lie
12:43Have I not?
12:44I go round every day
12:45You're not there every day
12:46I've been round every day pretty much
12:47You don't go round every day
12:48I've never been there
12:49I leave your kids and go
12:50Last week and went pub instead of coming into your daughter
12:53You leave your kids and go
12:54What do you mean I leave my kid
12:55And then you come back
12:56When do I leave my kid is it yours?
12:57She never leaves her kids at mine
12:58You are
12:59I never leave my kids at yours
13:00Once she has
13:01I said I'd have them
13:02Once the boys stayed over and that was because I couldn't be at the birthday party
13:06Can we get back to the story?
13:07Alright
13:08Is he the father?
13:09Would it be that you want him to be?
13:11Thanks Will
13:12Just because he's the dad to the others
13:13But you don't want to be with him despite the fact that occasionally you sleep with him if he massages your back
13:17Yeah?
13:18No I don't want to be with him
13:19That's what this is about
13:20This means a lot to you doesn't it?
13:21Yeah it does
13:22Look at him look at him
13:24Look at him look at him
13:25The DNA test results show that Paul
13:29Oh look at him
13:30I'm sorry pal you're not the child's biological father
13:34I'm sorry
13:35Can we have that?
13:36Can you just calm down a minute?
13:37It's not about you mate
13:38Oh no
13:39With the greatest respect
13:40Can you just you go now
13:41It's between those two yeah?
13:46You've got to talk to him
13:47Come on
13:48Come on
13:49Come on
13:50Whether you want to be with somebody or not
13:51That's
13:52That's not great is it?
14:01I mean whatever you might say about this man
14:02There's no doubt that's destroyed him
14:07Talk people
14:09Yeah that was
14:11I told him
14:12I told him when it happened I felt awful
14:18Where'd you go from here?
14:21I don't know
14:22Because
14:23You love her don't you?
14:24Of course I do
14:27Talk to her
14:29Talk to her
14:32Sue where did all that come from?
14:40I was shocked
14:41I've told you though I'm not getting back with you
14:43I know
14:44I can't be bothered with it
14:45It's too much stress
14:47Ok right
14:48I'm not trying to
14:49Take sides Sue
14:50But
14:51Patently
14:52If you don't want to be with somebody
14:53You shouldn't be sleeping with them at all
14:55Well I've said
14:56I've said last week
14:57I don't want to come to the house
14:59Well that says to me that you don't trust yourself around him
15:01No
15:02Because I don't want
15:04He
15:05I don't want to be with him
15:06So I don't want to show him the signs that I want him back
15:09If he wants to see the kids
15:10Then I'll
15:11Then I'll get somebody to take the kids to him
15:12Will you be a good dad to the kids?
15:13Always
15:14Listen
15:15One of the things that I'm proudest about
15:17The most actually with this show
15:18Is that we don't just
15:20Leave people high and dry
15:21Steph and Graham and Karen and the team who work with you
15:23Listen it's never easy
15:24It's not easy when you love somebody
15:26It's not reciprocated
15:27It's not easy when you're trying to break up with somebody
15:28Because you know it's not right
15:29Although sleeping with them doesn't help
15:31There'll be some hard yards in front of you
15:33But you have to maintain
15:35That important belief
15:36Which is that the kids are the most important thing alright?
15:38Yeah
15:39Sorry I didn't get what you wanted pal
15:40Nice to meet you
15:47Never easy
15:48We'll work with them
15:49We'll let you know
15:50Right
15:51My next guest today Jay is here
15:52As he's convinced his fiancée Bobby has cheated
15:53He claims that whilst he was in prison
15:55He received a letter
15:56Which suggests that Bobby had been playing away
15:57And this was just after they got engaged
15:59Now Jay is desperate for the truth
16:01He says if Bobby fails the lie detector today
16:03The whole relationship is over
16:05Huge day
16:06Jay is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
16:07I'll show that way
16:15You alright?
16:16Yeah I'm not too bad
16:17You're another one that's not going to say anything are you?
16:18You alright nervous?
16:19No
16:20A little bit
16:21You're not going to like how I start this
16:22Why are you insecure?
16:23Insecure?
16:24About her
16:26Don't break the law then
16:27Then you would have been around
16:32I'm being honest
16:33That's my own fault
16:34I've learnt from my mistakes from that
16:36But the main reason
16:37Let's talk about the relationship
16:38How long have you been together?
16:40How did she get together?
16:41Just over three years
16:42We met through friends
16:43We started off just seeing each other
16:46Just like more friends with benefits than actually being together
16:50When I was younger we used to call it a Friday nighter
16:55Casual but yeah
16:57Yeah
16:58You weren't committed
16:59Yeah
17:00But she used to always tell me that she was in love with me
17:02But at this time she was still messaging other boys when she was telling me she was in love with me
17:08So like it was playing with me a bit so I didn't know how to trust that to start the relationship
17:13Why did you go to prison?
17:15Dangerous driving
17:17How long for?
17:18Two months
17:19So don't tell you this the wrong way because I imagine that being in prison when you've broken the law
17:26One of the biggest things in your mind would be oh my god what if the person that says they love me is doing
17:33It must drive you nuts right?
17:34Yeah but
17:35I'd say that's part of your punishment but then I'm obviously the wrong sort of person
17:37But here's the thing
17:38Why did you ask her to get married?
17:40Engaged
17:41Did you do it from prison?
17:42Yeah
17:43In a letter
17:44Basically because I actually believed she was loyal I didn't hear nothing from her
17:50Like I've never heard rumours about her before do you know what I'm saying
17:53Like I thought she was generally changed from when I first got with her
17:57And actually do you know what I'm saying I've got feelings for her I love her we've got family
18:01But like I was that confident willing to marry her
18:05Willing to marry her?
18:06Yeah willing to marry her I proposed to her in a letter
18:08And then three days later I got another letter from one of my friends saying that she's been seen at club
18:14And then she's been dancing with other boys
18:17And then the trips the visit started tailing off and the letters started tailing off
18:23Yeah
18:24And then you came out of prison what happened then?
18:26I approached her about it she never told me about it once
18:29I approached her about it and she admitted to going out but she admitted to seeing my friends
18:34But she denied dancing with any other boy
18:37Well it doesn't matter if she dances with a bloat does it?
18:39Yeah it does
18:40Why?
18:41In a relationship
18:42Well you're in prison
18:43So?
18:44Alright
18:45If you dance with somebody it doesn't mean cheating does it?
18:49It depends
18:50When you're taking it then you're grinding up on someone then it's different
18:54Oh god I'm old
18:55I was thinking ballroom he's saying grinding
18:58Have you got proof that she was grinding?
19:02No but why would my friends lie to me?
19:04They don't talk to her
19:05Do you know what I'm saying?
19:06Did you ask her?
19:07I did ask her
19:08Why would she lie to you then?
19:09Why did you believe your friends over her?
19:10Because she didn't actually tell me she went out clubbing
19:12I spoke to her the same day on the phone
19:14Okay
19:15And then when I did approach her she said she didn't want to hurt me because I was in prison
19:18So I see it as how are you going to hurt me if you didn't do nothing?
19:21You made a really interesting comment
19:22You said if it wasn't for the kids I wouldn't be with her at the moment
19:24I can't stand the cloud of doubt
19:26Yeah pretty much
19:27So it's doing your head in?
19:28Yeah
19:29Now what if she fails this lie detector today?
19:31Then we can be friends obviously
19:33With benefits?
19:34No
19:35We can be friends obviously just like normal friendship relationship
19:39And obviously I want to see the kids because we've got a family together
19:43That's really mature
19:45Do you love this woman?
19:46Yeah of course I do
19:47Alright have you get the answer you want
19:48Bobby's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
19:49What are you nodding head about?
19:50I said it needs to stop
19:51What does?
19:52I've never cheated on him
19:53I've never done anything like that
19:54He knows that I love him
19:55So then why didn't you tell me when I was in prison when I already spoke to you the same day
20:09Because I didn't want to hurt you
20:10But why?
20:11How's it going to hurt me if you didn't do nothing?
20:12Because I didn't want you to think that I was out there having fun when you were sitting in a 4x4 cell
20:15Well she didn't break the law should he?
20:17Could have been dancing with you
20:19Were you grinding?
20:20No I wasn't
20:21Oh
20:22Welcome to the show
20:24You've been together for 3 years
20:26You said that everything to begin with was perfect
20:28He treated you like a princess
20:29Yeah
20:30Before we got together I told him I loved him but I was still talking to other men
20:33So you reckon that might have just created a few doubts in his mind?
20:36Yeah he told me that we would never be together
20:41He told me that we would never be together
20:42That there'd be nothing
20:44We'd just be sleeping with each other basically
20:46You know when
20:47When you deleted all those Facebook messages that he alluded to
20:50Why was that?
20:51Tell me about that
20:52Because it was before the relationship and I didn't want him to
20:54It was the day that we got together
20:56I gave her my phone to go down my Facebook and she refused to give me her phone
21:00Deleted all the messages then gave it to me
21:02There was no messages till
21:03He said I love the guy
21:05I stuck by him when he went to prison
21:06I went to visit him
21:07He said that he sent you a letter saying let's get engaged darling
21:11And then he gets another letter from somebody else saying you were grinding
21:15Whatever that means
21:16And then you stopped visiting him
21:18Which does look a bit dodgy doesn't it?
21:19I didn't stop visiting him
21:20I could only get three visits a month
21:23It was only three visits a month
21:24I brought my kids there
21:25I wrote them letters
21:26I can't believe I'm doing a television programme where we're actually having a conversation
21:29About the fact that she went out dancing
21:31So?
21:32Not the point
21:35It's from the start of the relationship
21:36The trust has never been there
21:37Well then why'd you ask her to marry you then?
21:39Because I thought she was different
21:41No you asked her to marry because you were in prison mate
21:43Because if at the beginning you were insecure because of what you saw
21:46Her talking to other men before
21:47You were committed to each other
21:49You carried on for two years then asked her to get married
21:51Yeah because I put it behind me
21:53I tried to put that behind me
21:54That was the start of the relationship
21:55Have you ever cheated on her?
21:56No
21:57Did the fact that you were in prison maybe make you rush the proposal?
22:03Serious question
22:04It did
22:05It did make it rush the proposal
22:07Not really because we were
22:08Freaked out being inside
22:09That's what I'm trying to get to
22:10Did it make you sort of think
22:12Do you know what?
22:14I had a proper heart to heart with my mum when I was in prison
22:17And me and my mum was talking about it
22:19And she was like
22:20Yeah Bobby's been loyal
22:21She's been coming and seeing us every day
22:23We've been checking up on Bobby
22:26Do you know what I'm saying?
22:27Like my mum didn't even know
22:28We've been checking up on Bobby
22:29Yeah because obviously she's got the kids innit
22:31So her dealing with them by herself when I was in prison
22:34My family were there to support and obviously her family
22:36Bobby how do you feel being dragged here to do this lie detector by him on a serious note?
22:40It made me feel like crap
22:42Tell him
22:43I feel like I've been knocked ten feet back
22:45We were so good together
22:47We've done everything to do with the kids
22:49And now it's like
22:50Just everything's changed
22:52I've never cheated on you
22:54And a 5,000% haven't cheated on you?
22:57I can't take this no more to hate
22:59And you won't lie what I'm going to say
23:03But you got your family to check up on her didn't you?
23:05Mmm
23:06Come on
23:07They said they would
23:08Yeah you got your family to check up on her
23:09You asked her to get married right?
23:11And I'll tell you why
23:12You caused all of this by going to prison and breaking the damn law in the first place
23:16That's true
23:17Isn't it?
23:18Yes or no?
23:20Yes
23:21I don't know
23:22Look
23:23I don't
23:24I'll go to a break
23:25I'll come back and do the results
23:26I'm not even going to turn that
23:27How many people in this audience think this girl cheated on him?
23:30Have a look
23:31Have a look
23:32Let's see
23:33How many?
23:34Oh none
23:35There's a surprise
23:36So you've been with her for three years
23:37And they can decide that in seven minutes
23:38Where's your head?
23:40Consequences to actions in the world
23:42This is about you being insecure because you went to the nick
23:44It's not
23:45It's about being human
23:46Anyone who at the start of a relationship who was with a woman
23:50Yeah that the woman deleted all the messages to hide stuff with you when you're
23:54Why is it hiding it?
23:55Why isn't it drawing a line saying that was my past life this is now
23:58How many times on this show do I have people and I'm being deadly serious
24:02Who don't remove their stuff off social media and a year down the line they go
24:06Oh I found a photograph of a man without his shirt on she must be cheating
24:10Oh it was seven years ago
24:12Actually you could say that what she did was the right thing
24:15But you she can't do right for wrong
24:17No when we
24:19Like before we got together
24:21When we were seeing each other
24:23We were seeing each other on a day to day basis
24:25And this was before I told her I loved her
24:28And she would have boys around the house
24:30And she told me yeah
24:32Someone's here do you know what I'm saying
24:34Come man but then by the time I get there they're always gone
24:37Do you know what I'm saying
24:39She would always tell me come when they've been
24:41I don't think you realise
24:42I'm going to go to a break
24:43And I'm going to ask you to think about this in the next three minutes
24:45I don't think you realise what this has done to this woman
24:48I don't think you realise how much this has dragged her down
24:50Let's say she's absolutely nailed on as everybody thinks and passes that
24:54Does it ever crossed your brain that she might just not have liked in any way
24:58The way you've treated her and start to maybe question the relationship mate
25:01Because this has all been the last ten minutes about you
25:04You haven't once talked about what this has done
25:06She could have said when you went to prison
25:08I don't want to be with a man that breaks the law
25:11I don't want to bring up a family with a bloke
25:14Who leaves me for a few months
25:16Because he's incarcerated because he's a criminal
25:18Fact
25:19But she didn't
25:21This is about your insecurity
25:23I reckon I could be wrong
25:24We'll go to the break
25:25Those results next
25:26Don't go anywhere
25:27Right back
25:28After everything that we've been through
25:29You brought up my little boy
25:31For God's sake
25:32I've tried for so long
25:33Three years
25:34I've tried to put them
25:35And this is what I said to you
25:36I've proved to you
25:37I haven't done nothing
25:38I was willing to marry you
25:40If this guy is your father
25:42We're doing DNA today
25:44You would want to know
25:45Where the hell were you
25:46When I was going through all of that
25:47I could have done with a dad
25:49The DNA test results show that Philip
26:04Welcome back before the break Jay and Bobby
26:06Bobby I said
26:07Before the break
26:08You know you can look at this
26:10And you can come up with reasons why he'd be insecure
26:13Yeah
26:14I want you to tell him
26:15You tearfully said it's knocked me back
26:17But you're being accused on national television of cheating
26:20Yeah I am
26:21And it's hurting me
26:22I can't believe you've actually brought me here to do this
26:25I can't believe you can't trust me
26:28After everything that we've been through
26:30You brought up my little boy
26:31For God's sake
26:34I've tried for so long
26:35Three years
26:36I've tried to put them
26:37And this is what I said to you
26:38I proved to you
26:39I haven't done nothing
26:40I was willing to marry you
26:41And then I hear that
26:42I hear that
26:43Your friend
26:44Your friend
26:45You were willing to marry her
26:46She was willing to say yes
26:48You're a criminal
26:49Her friend
26:50Her friend told me
26:51That she died for more than one bad age
26:53I was willing to marry you
26:55This is all about you isn't it
26:57It's not all about you
26:58You should be grateful
26:59She said yes from where I'm sat
27:01That's what I'm saying
27:03What happens the next time somebody whispers in your ear
27:07Oh your missus just talked to somebody
27:09Is it going to come back to this?
27:11Is it going to come back here and me being told that I'm a liar?
27:13That's what you need to deal with
27:14Look at her
27:15That's it
27:16This is the end show
27:17This proves it
27:19It does prove it
27:20But I mean it
27:21When I passed that test
27:22From my friends telling me that when they don't talk to you and your own friend that you went out with that night telling me that I have to do
27:29Have you ever cheated on her?
27:30No
27:31Never
27:32It's quite interesting because the most insecure people are usually hiding something
27:37Just saying
27:39Alright
27:40Just saying
27:45We asked Bobby since the start of your relationship with Jay three years ago if he had sexual intercourse with anyone else
27:49She said no, why did you say no?
27:50I was telling the truth
27:51Of course she was telling the truth
28:03Hey
28:04You okay?
28:05Passed every single question
28:07I don't know how to apologise to you
28:22I really don't know how to apologise to you
28:25It needs to stop now
28:27It has
28:29It's got to stop
28:30I really don't know how much times I can say sorry
28:34You can't
28:35You can't do anything about that
28:36You've said sorry straight away
28:37What you can do is
28:38The next time
28:39See again
28:40Like 15 years of doing this
28:41It teaches me many things Jay, right?
28:44And one of them is this
28:45It's extraordinary how many people
28:49For whatever reason like to get involved in happy people's relationships
28:53Now
28:54You made the mistake
28:55And you made the point earlier
28:56And I keep saying
28:57You know you've gone to prison
28:58But yes you did your crime
28:59You did your time
29:00You came out
29:01You were very honest
29:02But it was all about you
29:03I was willing to marry her
29:04I felt this
29:05I felt that
29:06This is actually about her
29:07And this girl who stood by you
29:08The kids
29:09It's about rebuilding
29:11I have to tell you
29:12This will happen again
29:13Because in this world
29:14There seemingly are always people
29:15That want to stick their noses into your relationship
29:17And I think it's quite interesting
29:18That all of these people
29:19Within seven minutes of talking to your fiancee
29:22Absolutely believed
29:23And not one person put their hand up
29:25That's what she needs from you
29:27The next time somebody thinks it's alright to stir
29:30That's all I'm saying
29:31Is that right Bobby?
29:32Yeah
29:33I mean you can tell she hasn't cheated on you
29:35It's horrible knowing that he even thinks that
29:39How do you rebuild from here Bobby?
29:41Everything needs to change
29:42I can't take it anymore
29:43We have to do so much together
29:45Even if it's stupid little things
29:47Tell my team the intimacy has gone
29:50The one to one time
29:51Yeah
29:52It has
29:53I know
29:54It has gone
29:55What do you want for me to change?
29:57I don't
29:58I really don't know
29:59This has just like
30:00Got everything cleared out of my head
30:02Like
30:03Honestly
30:04Time to take the lead
30:05Be the man
30:06Look after her
30:07Treat her like a lady
30:08Surprise her
30:09Look after her
30:11Cherish her
30:12You know?
30:13Yeah
30:14I will say one thing about him
30:15He knows exactly that you were telling the truth
30:17Because it's written all over his face
30:18Because now he's thinking I look like an idiot
30:20You don't
30:21But the fact is
30:22When people get stuff in their head
30:23And I will maintain doing this story
30:25A lot of this is being incarcerated
30:26Because you broke the law
30:27And your brain doing absolutely everything
30:29Oh my god am I going to get married to her
30:30Because my god that'll mean that she's got a ring on her finger
30:32Listen you can have a ring on your finger and do whatever
30:34If you look at this woman
30:36If you talk to this woman instantly
30:38You know that she's absolutely great kosher
30:40She will be with you
30:41She wants to be with you for god's sake
30:42Look at her
30:43It's written all over her face
30:44Just grow up and accept that
30:45And don't do it again
30:46Simply as that
30:47Get out of here
30:48Thank you very much
30:49Nice to meet you
30:50You alright?
30:51Thank you
30:52See you later
30:57Good luck to them alright
30:58My next guest today
30:59Sarah is here for crucial DNA results
31:01With a potential father Philip
31:02Now Sarah says that Philip walked out on her
31:04When she was very young
31:05And has been in and out of her life ever since
31:07She says that Philip did pay maintenance for her
31:09But since she's been an adult
31:10He's totally distanced himself from her
31:12Today she says
31:13I want to know why
31:14This guy has not been what I want him to be
31:16I felt like he wasn't interested
31:18Difficult day for us
31:19Sarah is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
31:21APPLAUSE
31:30Really nervous
31:31You'll be fine
31:32Thanks for coming on
31:33Um
31:34I know you're nervous
31:35Don't worry about them
31:36Um
31:37When people come here for these sorts of stories
31:40And you know
31:42These are the emotional stories
31:44These are the ones that really resonate with people
31:46You're 33 years of age
31:48Um
31:49Start already
31:50You alright?
31:51Yeah
31:52Take me back to your childhood
31:55What led you here?
31:56Why are you here?
31:57Erm
31:58When I was 13
31:59Sorry
32:00Sorry
32:01Come here
32:02It's okay
32:03When I was 13 I was told that he wasn't my dad
32:06So you before that age you believed that Philip was your dad?
32:09Yeah
32:10Was he involved in your life?
32:11Erm
32:12Up until about the age of eight
32:14And then erm
32:15We moved away
32:16Erm
32:17You were really honest
32:18You said I went into care
32:19Yeah
32:20I was horrible
32:21And I guess
32:22If this guy is
32:23Your father
32:24We're doing DNA today
32:25You would want to know
32:26Where the hell were you
32:27When I was going through all of that?
32:28That's what I mean
32:29It's not even just then
32:30It's like
32:31Even
32:32I
32:33I need
32:34I could have done with a dad
32:36Did you ever ring him up when you were a teenager?
32:41Yeah
32:42A few times
32:43I rang him up when I was about 14 I think
32:46Drunk
32:48What do you say to him?
32:49Erm
32:50He said you're not my dad
32:51Are you my dad?
32:52And erm
32:53It's the only time I've ever said it to him to be honest
32:56And he said my name's on your birth certificate of your dad
33:00Do you think he could have done more?
33:04Yes definitely
33:06I mean
33:07I mean
33:08It's fair to say
33:09And we have to be really careful
33:10Because there are legal requirements to stories like this
33:14When people aren't here to answer their side of the story
33:16But it's fair to say you've had a rough time
33:18And you've had one or two pretty bad experiences
33:21Erm
33:22I guess what you've always said to us since you arrived today
33:24Is this guy just
33:25I just wanted him to step up
33:26I just wanted him to take some responsibility
33:28I wanted him to be there for me right?
33:30Yeah it's like
33:32It weren't until I got in touch with the show
33:35That
33:36I've always
33:37I've always known his home phone number
33:39And I rang it
33:40This is what
33:41Can I just say
33:42This is what I don't get right?
33:43Cos like
33:44A lot of blokes
33:45Would be out there
33:46They've done nothing
33:47This guy paid maintenance until you were 80
33:49This guy paid maintenance but didn't bother with you
33:51I don't understand that
33:57When you see him what
33:58What do you think?
33:59I haven't seen him for so long
34:02When was the last time you saw him?
34:04See I'm going to say probably the wrong thing but
34:13I bumped into him in the street
34:15He knows he's your father
34:18Then I ask you this without you getting upset
34:20Surely any man with an ounce of humility
34:23Would have got off their backside and been out here making sure their kid was alright
34:27Is that not how the world works?
34:29I missed the point
34:30Nothing
34:31Nothing
34:32Why do you think it is?
34:33New family?
34:35Why do you think he hasn't made an effort?
34:37Do you know what?
34:38It's like I haven't got a family
34:39I feel like I'm not good enough
34:42Listen
34:43You say if he is my dad I want answers
34:45I'd love him to step up but I'm not holding my breath
34:47Pretty good of you to come here today
34:48Are you okay?
34:50I'm sorry I'm trying
34:51You're doing great
34:52Why did you come here?
34:53I need closure I need to know who I am
34:55I'm the last resort aren't I again
34:57You are
34:58He was out there going I've never known your mother did this I this that
35:01But he ain't
35:02He's paid maintenance and he says he's the father
35:04The question is Phil
35:05Where the hell have you been?
35:06Phil's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
35:23Very touching just a question
35:27Call me cynical if you want
35:29Where have you been?
35:30Excuse me
35:31Where have you been?
35:32The same place I've always been
35:34No no no no
35:35Listen I'm a father of four
35:36Let's just lay it down alright
35:38Isn't the inference on you
35:40Have you ever doubted you're a father?
35:42I've never doubted I've
35:43And you've paid money
35:44So why haven't you got off your backside and been there for this kid more?
35:48Hold the handle
35:49That's what I'm getting
35:50Yeah
35:51I could have done more
35:52But why?
35:53Because
35:54See most men would run and not pay money you've paid money you've done all that
35:57Why haven't you been there in person?
35:59I haven't been there in person because access was not that easy
36:04I held my hand up
36:05Not to me mate to her
36:07What about since she's been an adult?
36:10If she'd have been an adult I was always there for her
36:13She only had to ring
36:14Come on Sarah you've got to speak
36:16You haven't done enough have you man?
36:18I could have done a lot more
36:19Talked to him
36:20It is it's like I feel as though it is all one sided
36:23It's like I have to call you
36:24I have to text you
36:26And then I'm sat there waiting to see if you text me back
36:29I understand that you're busy and I know you work and everything else
36:31It's just
36:32Okay since we've been back in touch
36:34But that's
36:35With what you've told me your job is and the hours you work
36:39I'm not working anymore because obviously the baby and stuff
36:42As you told me
36:44I
36:46Have not been in a position to say
36:48Okay I can phone her now
36:50She's not working
36:51She's not going to be sleeping because of the hours she's
36:54The shift she's working
36:55The fact is right
36:56Whether she sleeps work as a baby
36:59Whether you didn't know when she was a kid where she is
37:02Even I know there are many ways to find out
37:05You could have come to this show
37:06You could have done all manner of things
37:07This girl is staying at 33
37:09It's funny because like he's never said I'm not his
37:13He's paid for me
37:14But I guess what you're saying Sarah is
37:17What you really wanted which was to have that contact
37:20That bond that person that sounding board
37:23That's what I don't understand about you
37:25And I know why you haven't done it
37:28Can I just add a question here
37:29Yeah
37:30Since we last met
37:33In Coventry
37:34Yeah
37:35How many different places have you been in?
37:37Yeah I've said that
37:38She assumes which I find really sad Phil
37:41That because you haven't given a damn by your own admission
37:45Maybe you're not her father
37:47That maybe
37:48I'm going to say the most contentious thing
37:50Maybe it'd be easier for her if you weren't her father
37:52Because then she could put to bed the fact you haven't given a damn
37:54That's the point
37:56Isn't it?
38:00It's more that I
38:01She's not asking for much is she?
38:02I think
38:03I thought that you did believe that you weren't my dad
38:05And that's why
38:06Do you know what I mean?
38:07There hasn't been a relationship there
38:09I had no doubt
38:10I didn't realise
38:11You had doubts
38:12How bad is that?
38:13If you had said
38:14I couldn't tell
38:15Do you know why I didn't tell you?
38:16Because I didn't want to hurt your feelings
38:18My feelings don't come into it
38:20My feelings are nothing
38:22If you have doubts
38:25Is it all about how she should have done everything to you?
38:29Do you have other children?
38:31Yes I do
38:32New life, yeah?
38:33Easy to sweep her under the carpet wasn't it?
38:36She was never swept under the carpet
38:37Well she doesn't look like she was embraced by your pal
38:40Do you love your daughter?
38:41Why not?
38:42Of course I love my daughter
38:43God, you've a way of showing it you have, haven't you?
38:45Yeah
38:47Do you feel like he loves you?
38:50I don't feel like I have a family
38:56I'm sorry to hear that, I'm sad
38:58I'm truly sad
39:00It's always been me
39:01Do you know what I mean?
39:02It's like I've had to do on my own
39:05That's how it's been
39:07And it's been genoma
39:08And now I'm 33
39:09It's like it's easy now
39:11To do that
39:12I'm just used to it
39:13All you have to do is ask
39:17I shouldn't have actually been able to come to you and ask you
39:19You should have been there
39:20I didn't know where you were
39:23Have I ever turned you away?
39:25Never
39:26The DNA test results show that Philip
39:30I don't know how to tell you this
39:31He's not your biological father
39:32Don't
39:46Don't
39:48Please don't
39:50Please
39:52Please don't
39:54John, thanks for your time
39:56Come to the pub with me
39:57Come here
39:58Come to the pub
39:59Come here
40:02So you had no doubts you were the father?
40:11I had no doubts that she was my daughter
40:14So now we've got a totally different scenario
40:16We've had a guy who's paid maintenance for 18 years
40:18You did have doubts though, didn't you?
40:19Come on
40:20The only doubts
40:21This is the most extraordinary story I've ever done
40:22OK, the only doubts I had
40:24Was when I got the phone call from your team
40:28Saying that Sarah was
40:29Was trying to find out she wanted a DNA test
40:33That's true, I didn't
40:36I mean you came here for the truth
40:38And that's the truth Philip
40:39You're not
40:40So now we have the injustice of you paying maintenance for 18 years
40:44And of course now everything I said about you not being about is irrelevant
40:47But it isn't
40:48You could have done more but then you're not even the father
40:50I mean at the end of the day
40:52It's not about me
40:53It's about her
40:54This should have been done a long time ago
40:55Look at me
40:56I don't just say it lightly
40:57We will do all that we can, OK?
40:59I promise you
41:00I'm sorry
41:02Not at all pleasure
41:03Take that
41:06Karen's here
41:07The aftercare team will do their business, alright?
41:10Please let us help you
41:11Please let us help you
41:12Have a think
41:13Back after this break
41:14Don't go anywhere
41:15It will be alright
41:16It will be the closure that we've got
41:17To be needed for the
41:18The past
41:19Get on that one
41:20It's alright back there
41:21I'm all nervous, man
41:22I can see in your face what this means
41:25I can only read it
41:26And I hope you get the answers you want, alright?
41:27The DNA testers
41:28I'll show that Luke and Ian
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42:09Welcome back to the next guest today
42:10Luke is here
42:11Desperate for DNA results
42:12That he hopes will prove
42:13He and Ian
42:15Potentially
42:17Are full biological siblings
42:19Luke says that he's grown up being told
42:20Different people could be his father
42:22And he just doesn't know who to believe
42:23He says today is all about putting the doubts to rest
42:25And finally getting the closure he needs
42:27Hell of a lot to this story
42:28Both of these guys
42:29Haven't had the best starts in life
42:30Today is massively important
42:31Luke is on the Jeremy Kyle show
42:33That way
42:42Um, listen
42:43When I read this this morning
42:44Really touched
42:45And I know that people come on this show
42:46And some of them are really nervous
42:48And some are
42:49Yeah
42:50But I'm a bit nervous now
42:51Yeah I'm a bit nervous
42:52We
42:53With all of these sorts of shows
42:54There are certain things that we can talk about
42:55Certain things that we can't
42:56Yeah
42:57You're here today with your potential
42:58Full brother
42:59Full brother
43:00Yeah full brother
43:01Younger brother Ian
43:02Older
43:03Older brother
43:04Somebody wrote younger they're rubbish
43:05What can you tell us about why you're here
43:07What what what has caused the confusion
43:09Um
43:10Obviously growing up wasn't a great childhood
43:12I believed a man was my father for seven years
43:15Found out on round about that time he wasn't
43:18Then got told we shared the same dad
43:20But after being told that I had father
43:22And then we and him shared like how do I believe it you know
43:25Can't talk about your mum
43:27No
43:28But you were told different things
43:29Yeah yeah there's a few people that could have been
43:31And then it was definitely Ian's dad was my dad
43:33And I thought
43:34For people watching this and I just want to make a point
43:36You you went in and out of care a couple of times
43:38Yeah
43:39And I think it's very easy on this show to you know
43:42Speak to people who say care was awful
43:45I think it's important occasionally for us to say
43:47The care system does well by thousands
43:50Yeah
43:51Hundreds of thousands of kids
43:52It did
43:53That's good to hear because
43:54It becomes easy to sort of slag it off
43:56Yeah no they've done a lot for me growing up
43:58The care system
43:59They made sure I didn't go into foster homes
44:00And things like that
44:01Went to live with family members
44:02You know what I mean
44:03They were very supportive
44:04What was it like though growing up
44:05Not knowing if you had a
44:06What just not knowing what your roots are
44:08I don't know
44:09It's very hard to swallow you know
44:11Like everyone says oh my dad's this and that
44:14And I could never say to anyone
44:15My dad's name is this
44:16Or my dad does this for a living
44:18Do you know what I mean
44:19I can't answer the questions people ask me about
44:20And maybe this sounds wrong with being a young guy
44:22You want your dad to come and watch you play football
44:23You want him to come
44:24Yeah no that's it
44:25My children I wanted my parents to do with me
44:26But I never had that
44:27One of the things about this show is
44:28People come on and they go
44:29You know I had a bad child
44:30Or this didn't work
44:31And I've taken it on
44:32But you've made a point
44:33Yeah no
44:34You and
44:35That's bettered myself
44:36You've made yourself a good dad
44:37Yeah I know that I don't want my children growing up like I did
44:40So it's made me a better person to think
44:42I'm not going to do that
44:43Is it um
44:45Why now?
44:48Why today?
44:49On telly?
44:50Yeah
44:51Honest answer
44:52Yeah
44:53We've got a bit drunk one night
44:54And we were all like should we do a Jeremy Kyle show
44:56It's going to be the only way to get the answers
44:57Got drunk one night and thought Jeremy Kyle's the only way to do it
45:00Yeah basically
45:01That's how it happened
45:03Are you worried?
45:04Um yeah
45:05Yeah
45:06What would it mean if he is?
45:07It would mean the world to me like if he is
45:09But even if he isn't it would not change anything at all
45:11Like the bond is so strong between us
45:12If it isn't then nothing would change at all
45:15What does he mean to you?
45:16He is my world like
45:18He is my rock
45:19It's nice to hear
45:20Younger brother
45:21No older
45:22Ian's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
45:24You said as well to my team your life's been complicated
45:38Yeah definitely
45:39What does this man mean to you?
45:41Everything
45:42Uh
45:43I do as much as I can for him
45:45Um
45:46Sorry
45:48You're alright
45:49I try to do as much as I can for your man
45:52I can for your man
45:53No
45:54I've been here for him
45:56Oh
45:57I think you're best man
45:58I know it's easier back there isn't it
46:00Um
46:01Yeah I just want him to finally get a bit of a resolve
46:03And uh a bit of resolve
46:04Um
46:05And try and get him to realise what he wants in life
46:07And if we're not four brothers
46:09Um
46:10Then it gives him an opportunity to sort of find someone that
46:13Maybe he wants to be his father
46:14You said to my team
46:15You know
46:16It's obvious to me how much he struggles
46:17Yeah
46:18And this is
46:19This is about closure
46:21The cynics who go
46:22Oh you know the Jeremy Carr show
46:23You can see
46:24Absolutely what this means to you today
46:26Yeah
46:27You were also very honest on a serious note
46:29You said I used to lash out
46:30I got angry as well
46:31Yep
46:32I've grown up
46:33I've had my kids
46:34Um
46:35And
46:36You know
46:37I wanna
46:38I wanna make sure that we
46:39We get
46:40You look terrified
46:41I was alright back there
46:42Really?
46:43Yeah
46:44What are you worried about them?
46:45They should be at work
46:46I was alright back there
46:47I can see in your face what this means
46:50I can only read it
46:51And I hope you get the answers you want
46:52Alright?
46:53You okay?
46:54Yeah
46:55The DNA test is I'll show the Luke and Ian
46:59You are full siblings
47:01Yeah
47:02That's nice
47:03Yeah
47:04That's nice
47:05Yeah
47:06See?
47:08Yeah
47:09Only a moment there
47:10Thank you
47:12Thank you
47:13Thank you
47:14Thank you
47:15Thank you
47:16Thank you
47:17See you down there
47:18Thank you
47:19And I go back to it right
47:23I go back to it and I say
47:24You can see what this means
47:25What does that mean?
47:26In your own words
47:27That's
47:28That's a lot of questions
47:29That I've added now
47:30I've fully answered
47:31We'll just get on with it now
47:33That's another part of my life
47:34I don't have to ever think about it again
47:36So when you concocted
47:38You come here in the pub
47:39That was the best thing you could have done
47:40Yeah?
47:41Yeah 100%
47:42Full brothers
47:43They say drink ain't good
47:44But it done me good that night
47:45Didn't it?
47:46Not the wick condoning that on the journal
47:48That's great innit?
47:51Yeah definitely
47:52I haven't known that
47:53Just don't get on volars
47:54That's the best result that could have come out
47:56Listen
47:57Thank you
47:58It's a real pleasure
47:59Really appreciate you being here
48:00Thank you very much
48:01Give me a round of applause
48:02Brothers
48:03That way too
48:04Thanks mate
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