The Jeremy Kyle Show 26th September 2018
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00:00On today's show, he comes on the Jeremy Carl Show, you pass, he fails.
00:04He disappears off and says, oh, I confess.
00:07Then he'd retract a confession, so we say, all right, we'll give you another chance.
00:10Comes back the next day, tell him what he did.
00:11Didn't do the test.
00:12No.
00:14Why don't we just assume he's going to fail and just get on with it and go to an ad break?
00:17You kick his backside out, go out with his best mate and go on with your life.
00:20Why don't we just do that?
00:22He keeps telling me that this show's a hoax.
00:30Why are you back?
00:31That's it, I'm done.
00:32I don't want to talk to you.
00:33I don't want to give you anything.
00:42Today, Rosa really confront her father, Carlo, who she claims has bullied and fat shamed her for years.
00:49I just hate him for what he's done to my family.
00:51He calls me fat.
00:52I don't want to do all this way.
01:00Let's get him out.
01:00Let's get him out.
01:00Let's get him out.
01:00Let's get him out.
01:04Hello, my friends.
01:24Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:25My first guest today, Hazel, is back on this show after a boyfriend, Carl, failed a lie detector last time.
01:31Take a look at this, my friends.
01:32She thinks she's cheating if you go out.
01:36It can't be.
01:37You look like that's it.
01:38If I drive to Tesco's and I was gone for an hour, I said it was traffic or something like that, she'll think I've been up to something.
01:43You are a liar.
01:45Oh.
01:46I do not accuse you when you go night fishing.
01:49I do not accuse you when you work.
01:51I only accuse you when you had all them jobs and you never once run me on your lunch breaks or anything.
01:55Since the date, you agreed 11 July 2013.
01:58Have you had sexual contact with anybody other than Carl?
02:00No.
02:00She was telling the truth on every single question.
02:02She passed everything.
02:05She's failed every single question.
02:08No way.
02:09I can't have done.
02:11I swear to God, I have not been near no one else.
02:14I swear.
02:14Why did she pass and you failed?
02:16Because I feel it thinking.
02:17All I was thinking about is where she was.
02:18I swear to God, I have not been near anyone else.
02:20What you've done to this woman.
02:21No, I promise you.
02:22Well, I wouldn't follow me.
02:23You're on national television.
02:24This is going to be shown to everyone.
02:26My mum, my whole family.
02:28This can't be true.
02:30I've got evidence that you're a cheater.
02:32No, we've finished.
02:33I've sex with me last night and he's been cheating on me.
02:36I've sex with you nearly every night.
02:36And you've been cheating on me.
02:37You see, this is the bit I don't understand.
02:40Because after that episode, Carl comes back.
02:42Because he goes, okay, the test was right, I confess.
02:45Then he says it wasn't right.
02:47He carries on cheating.
02:48However, this guy eventually says the lie detector test was correct.
02:53So quite why she's back, I've no idea.
02:55Because if you discover that this guy's lying, you'd do one, wouldn't you?
02:59She says, I hope he hasn't done anything else because I still love him.
03:03Hazel's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
03:07The start to this would be why.
03:17Let's just run through this.
03:18He comes on the Jeremy Carl show, you pass, he fails.
03:21He disappears off and says, oh, I confess.
03:23Then he retracts the confession.
03:25So we say, all right, we'll give you another chance.
03:27Because he wants to stretch it.
03:28Comes about the next day, tell him what you did.
03:30Didn't do the test.
03:31No.
03:31Because he basically confessed to something,
03:34saying it was at the beginning of our relationship.
03:36Then he turned around and said, no, actually, I've got the dates wrong.
03:38It was before.
03:39But the test's only done from when I was 16.
03:41What did he confess to?
03:42He confessed to basically kissing a girl.
03:46And at first, he said she, but he didn't, but he didn't, but he didn't, but he didn't, but he didn't, but he didn't, but he didn't, but he didn't, now he's saying, now he's saying that he didn't even take his trousers off and it was unconsensual.
04:03I mean this genuinely, because there's a risk that you'd end up feeling like an idiot.
04:08I mean, you only have to look at this bloke and you only have to read what I've read.
04:12He's changed his story about a hundred times.
04:13Why are we even giving him the benefit of the doubt?
04:15Why are you not going?
04:16On a serious note, I am worth more than this.
04:18I'm walking away.
04:19My life deserves more.
04:20What are you doing here?
04:21I said to him, I'll say, I'll give you a chance, you're not having no more tests, no more chances.
04:29I just, I just worry about people like you that it's just going to go on forever.
04:32You get used to this sort of habit of being in a relationship that's dysfunctional, the one that's not great for you.
04:36Why would you bother?
04:38Because obviously I've been with him for nearly six years.
04:41That's habit though, isn't it?
04:42I mean, you've been with him six years, you've got the kid, et cetera, et cetera, but how is anything ever going to change?
04:48Surely if he respected you.
04:49I mean, what's it like on a daily basis?
04:51Speak up.
04:51Tell me, what's it, what's it like?
04:55We get, basically we argue.
04:58We argue a lot.
05:00Last night he called me a...
05:02And I said, how can I be a...
05:05I passed my test.
05:08What did he say to that?
05:10He basically said, well, you are a...
05:12You've always been a...
05:14And he was really, like, really, really...
05:17Do you know what I'd love to happen today?
05:18I don't give a fat backside of a rat, frankly, if he passes it or fails.
05:22I'd love you to have the courage to walk away from this guy, because the way he talks to you, the way he disrespects you, the way he does what he wants to do.
05:27See ya.
05:31Get off my stage.
05:33I'm not getting off your stage.
05:34I'm talking to her.
05:36What?
05:37Yeah, when I'm ready.
05:39Someone was messaging me.
05:40Listen, listen, off my stage until I'm ready to speak to you.
05:42Get off.
05:44It's ain't right.
05:44Could you carry on?
05:45Whatever.
05:46Go on.
05:46Yeah, whatever to you.
05:47I've also, um...
05:48That's the most lively you've ever been, isn't it?
05:50Go on.
05:51I wanted to tell him earlier, but I've got Facebook messages on Facebook from a bloke he used to work with a few months, quite a few months back, saying he used to sniff around a gulp.
06:01The thing is, the thing is, people can tell you he can fail tests.
06:07It's not about him.
06:08It's not about a lie detector.
06:09It's not about any of those.
06:10It's about you.
06:12And what the...
06:13How old are you?
06:1420.
06:1421.
06:14So you know that the only thing that you have ever known in your adult teenage life is going out with this lowlife, who thinks it's all right to treat you like this.
06:23He's going to come out and go, oh, you test this, oh, you're being unfair, oh, you've labelled me.
06:28He's failed the test, changed the rules, come back, tried to get a second one, refused to do it, disappeared again, and you're still there being called by that.
06:36What is that?
06:37That does not deserve you in a million years, but you have to suss that, not me.
06:42Is that right?
06:44And the thing that worries me...
06:45The thing that worries me about people like you is if I look at you, if I look at how drawn you are, if I look at what this has done to you, that's...
06:52Listen, me from all people that you'll ever meet will be able to tell you this.
06:55It's not all sweetness and light, it's not all a bed of roses, but, jeez, you looked like this last time.
07:00This is not what it's supposed to be like.
07:02Sure, the people that say, I want to make it work, that's a good thing, too many people run too quickly.
07:07But I get the feeling that it's all you've known, you think more about what's right for the kid, you also have a right to happiness, and I don't think you're happy with this guy.
07:16I'm not happy with any of the results.
07:17Put your foot down, let's see what happens, shall we?
07:19Also...
07:19Oh, hold on, right, they're talking again.
07:22He keeps telling me that this show's a hoax.
07:26Apparently, you've been sued before for your lie detectors, they're not real.
07:30He's trying to get it into my family's head and my head that he's never done it to me, and he's trying to get it into my head that it's all fine.
07:36So why is he back on the Jeremy Kyle show, if I'm a hypocrite and it's a hoax, to do a lie detector and has begged you to come back, because he can't wipe his own backside and make his relationship with us?
07:44He's got to...
07:45He's got to wipe his own backside and make his relationship with us.
07:48I think I'm going to refuse to do it.
07:50Last night...
07:50I think I'm going to refuse to give him the results.
07:52And then last night, he basically...
07:55My mate Roxy's on the audience.
07:57All right, Roxy?
07:58Yeah, you?
07:58Yeah, not bad.
07:59He basically...
08:01He didn't try on with her?
08:02No.
08:03She could basically...
08:04No, she could back me up.
08:05He kicked off last night, the whole time, about coming, and this morning.
08:08He was refusing.
08:10It took me...
08:11How long to get him in the taxi?
08:12A good half an hour.
08:13A good half an hour.
08:14Imagine if he had to go to work.
08:16He was basically refusing to come back on here today.
08:20Right, so why is he here?
08:22Because I don't want him on.
08:23I don't like him at all.
08:25He begged me for a test.
08:26Why don't we just assume that he's going to fail and just get on with it and go to an ad break?
08:29You kick his backside out, go out with his best mate and go on with your life.
08:31Why don't we just do that?
08:32APPLAUSE
08:33I don't see why...
08:35APPLAUSE
08:36And Carl's back on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
08:40MUSIC PLAYS
08:43MUSIC PLAYS
08:45MUSIC PLAYS
08:47Why are you back?
08:48I'm sorry.
08:49No, no, I can't hear him.
08:50I'm not going anywhere.
08:50Sit down.
08:51Why are you back?
08:52Because I love her and I...
08:53Yeah, but you said the show's a hoax.
08:54Five and a half years ago.
08:55No, no, you said the show's a hoax.
08:56You live to Australia.
08:57And I'm a hypocrite, so why are you back?
08:58That's it, I'm done.
08:58I didn't understand.
08:59I don't want to talk to you.
09:00I don't want to talk to you.
09:01I don't want to talk to you.
09:02Waits to time.
09:03I'm not going to give you anything.
09:04What is the point of giving you anything?
09:05Why do you want to do a test on a show you think is wrong, you dirty little liar?
09:08Because you're going to be winding everybody up and saying, hold on a minute.
09:11The first test you failed and then you said you made a confession then you came back and then I had a messed up life five and
09:19Half years ago. She knows I was on drugs and all sorts. I do not remember everything back then. I've changed my life
09:27This is a hoax. We are recording to you family. Why are we doing it then if you want to waste my time if you
09:33going to insult me. Go and sort your own family relationship back. I haven't done anything wrong. Really? Have you got the test results and you just tore them up? I haven't got the test results. They're an envelope. Do you know that as well, yeah? No. Well, then why are you telling me? I thought it was when you tore up. No, they're not. Whether you've passed on this, it doesn't matter. If you failed. She killed me a lot of things. I'm not surprised. There was a boy messaging me on Facebook that she slept with ages and ages and ages ago. That's all it was and we had a bit of a bicker. That's all he keeps bringing up. Why are you with her?
10:02Because I love her to bits. Why do you slag her often? Why do you insult her? We insult each other. So why is this show so important for you to come back for the third time in the first time? Because we need help. We need to sort it out. But you told everybody you don't like this show and it's a hoax. We won't have help. We won't have help. Sort it out yourself. Roxy's trying to say something. What? Do you want to come in? Give me a chair for Roxy. Come down here. Give her a round of applause. Just speak. Just speak. Just speak. Just speak. There's so many quiet people. What do you want to say? We've gone a bit to the test. The
10:32first time. Whether you've passed on this or not. We're over. And that is a simple answer. And I will find someone else within a few days. What's the first test right? The first two parts were yes.
10:43So what did you do then? You tell me everything. Because you apparently couldn't remember because you were on drugs. Tell her what you admit to. Tell her what you admit to.
10:54It was a girl that I lived with. No. You failed on sexual intercourse. Because I failed the other two questions. No. Jeremy can you please. That is what the expert said. I failed the other two questions. Jeremy. If he fails on all three does that mean he's done all three?
11:08If you fail. Listen. If you go into that test lying. Predominantly that would mean that. What did he fail on? He failed on sexual contact. Passionate kissing. Sexual intercourse. All three. Stand by all of that.
11:16What are you admitting to? The first two. Right. He won't even admit to. So not sexual intercourse. What did you do then? She come over and tried kissing me. Yes. And she tried to.
11:24She tried to. Well obviously. She tried to. She tried to. You told me she didn't even have. You didn't even have. You told me and Roxy. I had pants on. Yes I had pants on. You had your trousers on.
11:32Yes. I had my pants on. No you. You just said she tried. Like that. Trying to get my. You're wasting my time. I might come do better. I will do better.
11:40You're wasting my time. You're wasting my time. You're wasting my time. You're wasting my time. You're wasting my time. You're wasting my time.
11:42You're wasting my time. That's because I wanted you on here. Because I knew you was wimping out. Because I knew you was done saying. That's why. Why have you waited until you've come on a show you call a hoax. Do another lie detector.
11:50Which is something you say makes absolutely no sense. It's not a hoax. And you haven't told her that you were apparently. What did she do to you the woman? Huh? What did she do to you? Try it on with me. Right. Well where were you. What did you. What did you. What did you.
12:00Reciprocate. I was out of my face. So when you said just to do this. So when you said your shows that this is the first time your shows. I can't either. You're like that you were lying.
12:10That the lie detector was right. It must have been. It must have been. That's all I keep getting. It must have been. It's not the definition of a hoax. It must have been. Right back to that.
12:20That's one. So then you said I've admitted to that. So I want to come back and do another test. And we said all right. You've admitted that. So we brought you back the next day. Right. Yeah. Why did you then refuse to do a test.
12:29Because I weren't sure with the dates. What dates. But when it happened. The day after the one you did before. No. When it all happened. Right. I weren't sure when it all happened. But you were sure. I had to go away and think about it. Well you had to go away and think about it.
12:41And think about when you started going out with her. Because it would surely be across the city. It was a long time ago. Five years. Anyway now you're back again and I'll show you a call a hoax.
12:48So you just admit it's not a hoax. Why do you want my help today? Why? Why? Help me.
12:53What do you want to achieve today? I want to prove that I haven't done anything else.
13:00Apart from what you've admitted to? Apart from what I've admitted. Now did you know what he's admitted to? The kissing and the wool through the trousers?
13:05Yes. We've spoke about it. Last night. What? I'll explain. Last night. Please do. He said to me.
13:10Apart from calling you every name under the sun. He said to me in front of Roxy and he said to me.
13:15Right. I'm doing the test because I admitted to it when I first got with you at the beginning of our relationship.
13:20That's it. Then he turned around and said actually this morning it was actually before I got with you.
13:26I've been thinking about it. That's what I say. I can't figure out the dates. First is the beginning.
13:30But this was five years ago wasn't it? Yes. But you've been with her for six years.
13:33So even I can tell you whether you're off your face or not. Six minus five is one year. I haven't done drugs for years. I haven't done drugs for a long time.
13:38When was the last time you did drugs? When was the last time I did drugs?
13:42Do you remember anything at all? I don't have a very good memory, no. Not from back then.
13:47Right. So you've done the test today and we've cleared it up in terms of, we've been quite specific, haven't we?
13:52Yes. What have we said today? Yeah, I would like to know what time it is. Obviously. So would I. I don't know what time it is.
13:56What do you mean what have we said today? What did the test, what was the question they asked you?
14:00Have I had, well, done anything sexually with anyone else? All right. Okay. Can I have the results please?
14:06If I file you can have everything of mine because I have not done anything and I'm going to pass.
14:11Sorry.
14:13We asked him one question. Since the agreed date, happy with that, apart from what you've admitted to, have you had sexual activity with anyone else?
14:21No. Carl said no.
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14:57So, you all right? I've put my whole house, I've put my car on this and everything because I haven't done anything else.
15:11You've put your house and your car in it. Why have you done that?
15:13Because to prove that I haven't done anything. You can't put the house on there.
15:15If I file, you can have everything of mine because I have not done anything and I'm going to pass.
15:20So, if you, sorry, if you fail, you're giving her your house and your car?
15:25That's my house. Everything that's in it.
15:27Everything that's in it.
15:29It's my house. It's not our name.
15:36You can't, you can't actually, you can't actually remember whose house it is.
15:40You know what, I mean, everything in the house, you know, everything.
15:42Now, it's very important when we do a note from the examiner that people pin back their leg holes and listen.
15:46Carl admitted that a girl had passionately kissed him and touched his penis, is what it says here.
15:50He said he had initially thought this was before the date agreed on the first test, but he wasn't sure.
15:55He has since found out that it was after the agreed date, so it's what he admitted to, yeah?
15:59So, we asked him one question.
16:01Since the agreed date, happy with that, apart from what you've admitted to,
16:05have you had sexual activity with anyone else?
16:08No.
16:09Carl said no. Why did you say no?
16:10Because I was telling a trope.
16:11Carl's telling a trope.
16:12He says you're a liar.
16:13So, this is a test.
16:14No, right.
16:15No, right.
16:16No, right.
16:17What's wrong with that test?
16:18Oh, it's the test?
16:19Yeah, it's the test.
16:20There's something wrong with you?
16:21You duplicitous, manipulative liar.
16:22I've never been near anyone else.
16:23I've never been near anyone else.
16:24I love you.
16:25I'll find someone in two days time, or two, actually.
16:28I've never been near anyone.
16:29What's stopping me?
16:30What are you going to do tonight?
16:31I'll find someone else.
16:32Does that make me a ****?
16:33Does it?
16:34No.
16:35I've not been near anyone else.
16:36Why have you failed again?
16:37Why do I come back here if I don't say...
16:38Because you're a liar.
16:39You don't even know where you are.
16:40I don't want to go on bloody telly again.
16:41Do you know what?
16:42I'm being serious now, mate.
16:43This just gets ridiculous.
16:44So, can I ask you?
16:45Oh, God.
16:46So, this is from when I was 16, basically.
16:48Yes, the agreed date.
16:49Yes.
16:50The agreed date.
16:51So, he's admitted to the kissing and the handover...
16:53Obviously, it's saying in me that these tests don't work with me.
16:56He's signing his skin.
16:57What, Jeremy?
16:58He keeps telling me his skin.
17:00There's something in me that means I'm failing this test.
17:03What would that be?
17:04The inability to tell the truth.
17:06That's essentially what we're talking about.
17:07The test to tell is lying on them.
17:09I've told them that.
17:10It's all ****.
17:11Oh!
17:12It's all ****.
17:13I have not been near anyone else.
17:15I don't care what you say.
17:16I ain't been near no-one else.
17:17And I don't care what you say because I'm sick and tired.
17:19You can be sick and tired of me.
17:21And slagging me off.
17:22So, why don't you go away and sort your own sad life out.
17:24Why don't you stop and you're going to get him sued.
17:25You're going to get him sued.
17:26You're going to sue me.
17:27You're going to sue me.
17:28With what?
17:29You've given away your house and your car.
17:32Get off my stage and get out of my building.
17:34Go away.
17:35Why?
17:36Go away.
17:37I'm not dying away.
17:38No, no.
17:39I'm going to hook her up.
17:40You don't understand.
17:41Right, you're going to tell me.
17:42You're going to snatch her.
17:43You're going to get into me now.
17:44I've never been near anyone else.
17:45If you don't get in.
17:46We're over.
17:47Do you understand?
17:48I haven't been near anyone else.
17:49We might as well.
17:50Oh, he also told me last night.
17:51Before.
17:52When he was refusing to come on here.
17:53Because there's no trust.
17:54Do you know what he said to me and Roxy can back me up.
17:55He said, I don't want to be with you no more.
17:57I haven't been near anyone else.
17:59I don't care.
18:00Why have you failed again then?
18:01I don't have a bloody clue.
18:02Do I?
18:03He's going to tell me.
18:04He's going to tell me your hopes.
18:05That you're going to be sued.
18:07Come on sweetheart.
18:08Let's go and talk about the future and leave him to squander every chance he ever had.
18:11Let's do that.
18:12Shall we?
18:13So, on a serious note, I just want to talk to you seriously.
18:18How?
18:19I just want to talk to you seriously.
18:21I don't understand what he expects me to say.
18:24He insults the show and yet he comes back for a third time.
18:28We stand absolutely, as he explained about that first test, we stand by that.
18:33We stood by our decision to give him a chance the second time and he threw it in our faces.
18:37Then he came back again today.
18:39He has failed that test.
18:40We are 150 million percent behind that test.
18:43But this just goes on and on.
18:45I don't want you to take this the wrong way.
18:46I fully expect somebody to say to me in a couple of weeks, she's still with him.
18:49It's up to you.
18:50I don't care if you're with him at all.
18:51I lie.
18:52But there is no way that this guy can do anything other than understand that people do not believe
18:58a word he says.
18:59That's, I mean, I don't know what he expects us to say.
19:02What do you want me to say?
19:04Well, I believe you.
19:05She wants him to admit to me.
19:07I want him to admit.
19:08She said that all along.
19:09Come on then.
19:10Come on mate.
19:11I just want him to admit.
19:12That's all I want.
19:13But he's not going to, is he?
19:14Because he's a liar mate.
19:15He's a stubborn person.
19:16That's why.
19:17That's another show.
19:19The thing is, the thing is, I can't.
19:22Do you know what he's going to tell me now?
19:24It's alright, it's alright to insult what we do and then keep coming back and using it
19:28and then I get blamed for calling him a liar.
19:30He's going to tell me this is all fake.
19:32It's not real.
19:33Get it into my head.
19:34Let's give you your five minutes.
19:37You talk to her.
19:38Nothing from me.
19:39You talk.
19:40Where's the stick?
19:41I haven't got a stick mate now, have I?
19:42Hold on.
19:43You hold that.
19:44You talk to her.
19:45To her, not me.
19:46I'm sorry.
19:47I haven't been near anyone else.
19:48I don't know why this test failed me.
19:50I don't know what the hell's going on.
19:51Why the hell am I going to come all the way up here and humiliate myself?
19:53Why wouldn't I just go?
19:54Let me just put something very calmly to you.
19:55Yeah, I know.
19:56I don't understand.
19:57You admitted that, but this is the problem, right?
19:58If we're, you're not listening.
19:59Let him talk.
20:00The first test, right, you very, very blatantly went, this shows this, this test's rubbish.
20:05Yes or no?
20:06Yes.
20:07You went on stage and went, actually, something happened and you've verified that something
20:09did.
20:10So you lied the first time.
20:11Yes or no?
20:12I weren't too sure.
20:13Okay?
20:14With the dates.
20:15People are going, oh, be fair to him.
20:16You lied.
20:17I weren't so sure with the dates.
20:18You look guilty, I see.
20:19I don't look guilty, I see.
20:20You look guilty, I see.
20:21You do and that sets a precedent.
20:23Then you, then we...
20:24Telly, am I used to all the s*** again and we say, well...
20:27Well, I'm alright with it.
20:28I've been, this is my third time.
20:29I'm not sitting, you know?
20:30I have never done anything with other people.
20:32Then why do you keep failing today?
20:33I don't know.
20:34Do another one with a hundred people and if I fail, does that mean...
20:37Oh, can I ask you a question before he goes?
20:38It's ridiculous.
20:39Can you please tell me, he's telling me your test results are only 60% accurate.
20:4360% apparently.
20:45I just, I don't know what you expect me to do.
20:48This is ridiculous.
20:49It is ridiculous.
20:50I'm stood outside having to justify to you...
20:52Why am I going to waste my time on three occasions?
20:54Why am I going to waste my time?
20:55I'm wasting your time.
20:56Why am I going to waste my time?
20:57If I don't say, I would say, look, I haven't been near anyone.
21:00You're a liar.
21:01Really, anyone that's on his s*** and watches this programme,
21:04could come along and admit to it and say that I've slept with them
21:07or done whatever with them because there won't be no one.
21:09You could go to everyone in the world.
21:10You did this last time and went away and said,
21:11oh, by the way, it's the truth that nobody, Dan, believes you anyway.
21:14That's not spoken, is it?
21:16I think I slept with anyone, did I?
21:18I'm serious.
21:19Well, you've failed your sexual incident.
21:20This has never happened to me in 15 minutes.
21:21And you've failed more than once.
21:22I'm serious.
21:23You've cheated on me more than once.
21:24I haven't cheated on you.
21:25How many times?
21:26Oh, heaven, no.
21:27Disgust me.
21:28It's not real.
21:29Do you know the best bit?
21:30You're going to stay with him.
21:31Why would I come on his bloody chair?
21:32I will come through me.
21:33I don't care what's saying I should tell.
21:34I'll find someone tonight, kiss him in front of him.
21:36Why would you do that in front of him?
21:38Because he thinks...
21:39Why do you be dignified and walk away and bring up your baby?
21:42You don't need anybody else.
21:43You're better than that.
21:44You can say what you want, but you've got to excuse me.
21:46You can say what you want, but from my point of view,
21:48you come here, we spend money, you tell me the test's rubbish,
21:51then you admit it was right.
21:52So we say, right, we'll put in what you've admitted to
21:54and give you another test.
21:55You come here, we put you up again,
21:56and then you make some excuse for not doing it.
21:58You come again, you admit that the first test was right,
22:00we were right, it isn't a hoax, you slack me off,
22:02we do a test, you fail it, and now you're standing there
22:04looking like the Pied Piper.
22:05You say he's a hypocrite.
22:06I've got better things to do.
22:07I don't understand why he's failed.
22:08I don't care.
22:09I don't care what you...
22:10Because you've lied.
22:11But I haven't been near anyone else.
22:13He's going to try and tell me the test's not working.
22:15All I was sitting there thinking about is when we were in formal doing the test.
22:17It's his skin movement.
22:18His skin movement.
22:19Conductivity.
22:20That's what they say.
22:21They're saying his skin movements are causing it.
22:22It measures electricity in your body.
22:24We're going round in circles.
22:25Listen, it's up to you.
22:26If you're right...
22:27I would not be near anyone else.
22:28It is bizarre.
22:29I can assure you.
22:30I'll do anything else.
22:31You might as well go back to the girl,
22:33or how many girls it was because we're over.
22:35My phone is being talked to her phone.
22:36We're over.
22:37But you said this the first time,
22:38and you ended up telling us to kiss somebody,
22:39and she tried to lay a bit.
22:40I told you.
22:41I told you if you fail this,
22:42and you don't admit to me, we're over.
22:43I really do have better things to do.
22:44You don't need to admit it to her.
22:45She said he's not going to admit it.
22:46Why?
22:47So you're going to stay with her?
22:48Why?
22:49Graham, do you think you can take this over?
22:50Mate, I can't do any more.
22:52I physically, mentally cannot do any...
22:53Come on.
22:54I haven't been near anyone else.
22:55That's it.
22:56I'm having a breakdown.
22:57It doesn't mix up whether you're lying or not.
22:58It doesn't protect your skin, or your yellow skin.
23:01Do you believe the test?
23:02I believe the test.
23:03Do you believe him?
23:04No.
23:05Then you have to make that decision.
23:06If you stay with him, then your right will support you.
23:07You can stand by, but you've got to understand,
23:09in a court of law, for example, they would say...
23:11I won't stay with him.
23:12You've done this twice already.
23:13I have to...
23:14You will.
23:15No, I won't stay with him until he admits.
23:16There you are.
23:17I'll put you in a room with Graham.
23:18The only way to save your relationship is to go...
23:20Oh, actually, yes, I do remember.
23:21Do you know what's really interesting?
23:22And I look down the camera.
23:23In a minute, or when this goes out,
23:25there'll be a little bit underneath going,
23:26hmm, Carl admitted to da-da-da-da.
23:27Tell her the truth.
23:28You might save your relationship.
23:29All yours.
23:30I'm moving on.
23:31Thank you very much indeed.
23:34We're back after the break.
23:35Don't you know any more from the J.K. Show next?
23:37Do you love him?
23:38It just feels like I grew up without an actual father being there
23:41to love a daughter.
23:44He called me fat.
23:48I tried.
23:49What?
23:53Thank you very much indeed.
23:57Welcome back.
23:58My next guest today rose to really confront her father, Carlo,
24:02who she claims has bullied and fat-shamed her for years.
24:07She says it got so bad she decided to leave home aged just 16,
24:11and since then their relationship has fallen apart.
24:14It's now been over a year since she's seen him.
24:16She says that one of the reasons is because this guy is a complete
24:18workaholic and he's more bothered about running his chip shop
24:21than making time for his family.
24:23I love that.
24:24Let's go and see.
24:25Give her a round of applause.
24:26She's very nervous.
24:27Rosa!
24:28Don't worry about it, alright?
24:29Don't worry about it.
24:30It's fine, okay?
24:31Don't worry.
24:32Right, listen.
24:33I'm sure that people come on this show and, you know,
24:35we do it every day, and when you're here it's difficult.
24:38I really appreciate you being here is the first thing, okay?
24:40And sometimes the stories on this show can be very emotive,
24:44sometimes they're very angry, but it's about people's lives.
24:47Yeah.
24:48Carlo's your dad, Sharon's your mum.
24:50Before we talk about how there's no sort of connection
24:54and how he's treated you, it's a bit of a dysfunctional family set-up.
24:58Yeah.
24:59He still lives in the family home.
25:03Yeah, he does, which is kind of weird because they're divorced.
25:08They've been divorced since I was quite young.
25:11They've been divorced ten years and yet they live in the same house
25:14and hate each other.
25:15Yeah.
25:16I mean, it's just, it's like a bomb.
25:18It's like a bomb that's ready to be set off.
25:20You're 23 years of age, you have no relationship with your father.
25:24Why?
25:25It can't simply be because he's working.
25:27It's, he was always working.
25:29That's the most of the reason.
25:31You're not spending time with you two?
25:32No, no, nothing.
25:33He was never there for birthdays.
25:35Never been there for Christmas.
25:36Do you love him?
25:37I just hate him.
25:38I just hate him for what he's done to my family.
25:40I really do.
25:41What he's done to the family or what he's done to you?
25:43That's the point of this story.
25:44That is exactly why I asked you.
25:46Me.
25:47It just feels like I grew up without an actual father being there
25:50to love a daughter and it's really upsetting.
25:55You're doing great, by the way.
25:57Right, look at me.
25:58You are doing so well.
26:00Come on.
26:05How does he talk to you?
26:06Does he respect you?
26:07No.
26:08Tell them what he says.
26:09He calls me fat.
26:11That I've tried so much to lose all this weight in his heart.
26:19Thank you both.
26:24Hey, listen to me.
26:26Listen to me.
26:28I spend a lot of time with people who come on this stage
26:31and they say people are being horrible to me or I'm being judged.
26:35I've got no confidence.
26:36I've got anxiety.
26:38Can I tell you something?
26:39Somebody shouted something out there, right?
26:40You've come out here in front of 250 people or whatever it is
26:44and I absolutely think that should be a template for you moving forward.
26:49Fair play for you actually coming here and saying that.
26:52To me, he looks devastated like he wants to have a relationship with you.
26:55This guy told us.
26:56I work 24-7.
26:57I've got no money.
26:58It's a financial burden.
27:00It's difficult.
27:01I've lost the woman I love.
27:02I probably have taken out my kids.
27:04Let's do what we always try and do and get a bit of honesty, yeah?
27:07Let's get him out.
27:08Carlo's on the Jeremy Carr Show.
27:09Well done.
27:10First time in a year you two have seen each other.
27:24Why?
27:25She doesn't want to see me.
27:26Do you work every day?
27:28Yeah.
27:29Do you still love your ex-wife?
27:30Yeah, I do.
27:31Very much.
27:32So you work every day.
27:33Yeah.
27:34You come home to a dark, cold house to a woman who doesn't want to be with you anymore.
27:38I sleep on the sofa in my own home because my wife doesn't want me.
27:42I still love her.
27:43Yeah.
27:44I wish I could be at home with my family every night but I have to work to pay off the debts.
27:47Yeah.
27:48Irrespective of money, Carlo, and this probably sounds really harsh.
27:50It's not meant to.
27:51You have next to you a daughter.
27:53Yeah.
27:54Who all she needs is not money.
27:57She needs time.
27:59Is there no way that you can find time to spend with your daughter rather than insulting her?
28:04And being rude to her.
28:06What do you want to say to your dad?
28:17You do.
28:18It really hurts me.
28:19I've got a statement from Rosa's partner of six and a half years.
28:22I've only known my partner's dad Carlo for that time.
28:25There's no relationship between them due to him being a raging workaholic.
28:28That's not a bad thing.
28:29But what is, is her dad is verbally abusive towards her about her weight.
28:32She can become aggressive.
28:34She moved out of the family home, became homeless at 18 when I met her.
28:37I took her in and looked after her.
28:38Carlo doesn't seem bothered about his and his daughter's relationship.
28:41Rosa just wants her dad to put their family or his relationship first.
28:45Why are you shaking your head?
28:46She wouldn't be here unless there was a problem.
28:47Come on.
28:48It's not true.
28:49Mate, I don't mean to be rude.
28:50I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
28:51Your mum's Sharon, right?
28:52Sharon's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
28:54CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
29:00Sharon, welcome to the show.
29:03I know that some people have come out here with a nervous smile.
29:06Why is he in your house if you're not with him any more?
29:08Neither of us have got anywhere to go.
29:10That's basically...
29:11Is there any chance of him and you getting back together?
29:13I don't think so.
29:14I've been through this before, will you, Carlo?
29:16And you don't listen to me, you don't listen to the kids.
29:19I told you from the start...
29:21You're not listening, you're doing that noise again.
29:23Listen.
29:24Is he a father to her?
29:25No.
29:26I'll be a father, I'll try to be a father.
29:29All you do is you snap at everybody and that's why nobody wants to be...
29:34Why do you keep banging your head against a brick wall with this business?
29:36Sure, it was never good to start with when you first took it over.
29:39You took it over for the business being good.
29:43Well, if the business is good, why have they got no money then?
29:46I'll give them any of that when I got it.
29:48No, no.
29:49No, no.
29:50When you've got it, but we always have to be...
29:52They're 25 grand in debt because of you.
29:54Oh, 25 grand in debt.
29:56Yeah, we are.
29:57Because of you, yes, we are.
29:5825 grand in debt, no, no.
29:59You just won't listen to anybody.
30:01I have a degree of sympathy with you, I see it.
30:04The way you sit, the way you stand, the way you talk, the way you hold yourself.
30:07You are massively depressed, massively down, probably financially banging your head against a brick wall.
30:13I haven't been in this particular situation, but what I do have to say to you, Carlo, is this.
30:18There isn't a job in the world, in my humble opinion, that should come between you and your kids.
30:24And I can categorically tell you that if one of my kids rang my phone right now or was stood there, I wouldn't give a fat what's it.
30:34I wouldn't care, okay, about this.
30:37I would leave my job tomorrow, tomorrow, for my children.
30:42And that's what you need to do.
30:44You need to change, you need to change your priorities, you need to change the way you look at your life.
30:53We're going to send you, we're going to sit you down with Graham, we're going to provide some real aftercare, we're going to see what we can do to make this work.
30:59Not to put this back together as a, you know, you two, but to make you understand.
31:03Because I look at you and you look haunted and you look sad.
31:06So let's see if Graham and the team can help you.
31:09I'll ask the three of you to go that way.
31:10Give them a round of applause.
31:18Good night to them, Brian.
31:19My next guest today, Steve, is here after his daughter, Chantel, contacted this show.
31:23He hasn't seen her in over ten years, which, unsurprisingly, she's not very happy about.
31:27She has determined the answers.
31:28He says that there are many reasons they've lost contact, but a massive one in his mind is that this guy has a quite serious stammer.
31:35He says he hates the sound of his own voice.
31:37It's very difficult.
31:38He barely talks at all.
31:39It's almost like he's cut himself off.
31:41He says, I don't call her because I don't want to call anyone.
31:43We met up with Steve, I did earlier today, just to sort of get a feel about this story and what he was trying to achieve.
31:48Take a look at this.
31:52Steve, how are you?
31:53All right.
31:54Nice to meet you.
31:55Thank you for coming on.
31:56Sue, right?
31:57It's Sue, yeah.
31:58Talk to you in a sec.
31:59Steve, um, I always try to get as much from each part.
32:06You have not seen your daughter Chantel for ten years.
32:10You tell my team there are many reasons for that.
32:13A massive part of it is that you've almost socially cut yourself off because of a serious stammer.
32:19Well, well, I don't, cos I don't really talk, talk to anyone. Can't be bothered.
32:33That's your daughter?
32:34I don't talk, speak much to my other kids.
32:40Why?
32:41Cos I don't like, like talking.
32:44Was it always like that?
32:46It's been like that for years and years.
32:51Why are you here?
32:52Because you want a better relationship with Chantel?
32:55Chantel said, this is the only way I can get six here for, to actually get a better relationship.
33:09And, yes.
33:10We've brought Sue in because we want to help you. Sue's a speech therapist.
33:15And, yeah, with my confidence in talking and trying to get me better. We've heard, so.
33:24We want to help you. Sue, we brought you in. Are you going to work with Steve for a couple of hours?
33:28We're going to bring you back later on and sort of put you with Chantel. Talk to me.
33:31What have you discovered in the brief time you've had with him?
33:34Well, in terms of stammering and confidence, they're very closely interlinked.
33:39So, a lot of the clients that I see who have stammers can be completely fluent in certain situations.
33:45And then, in times of stress or crowds or telephone things, it can actually make the stammer a lot worse.
33:53So, stress, confidence and stammering are part and parcel of the condition.
33:58Have you ever seen a speech therapist before?
34:00Yep.
34:01It doesn't make a difference.
34:02Well, it just, it, it has a bit, but then that was when I was a kid.
34:11We're going to do what we can because what I'd like to do is get you to a place where you and Chantel can have that conversation.
34:16This isn't really about what anybody else thinks. This is about you two.
34:20You're saying I want a better relationship with her. She is saying I want answers.
34:23Yeah, of course.
34:24I mean, to the outsider, great, great sympathy about your condition. To me as a father, write them a letter, send them a text.
34:33I'm being completely honest. Okay? That's not me being unsympathetic about your condition in any way because I've arranged for Sue to come and see you.
34:39There are many, many ways. There are people who are not able to do physical jobs, who will do jobs in front or behind a computer.
34:48You should have done more. And you can sit there and tell me not, but you know you should have done more.
34:53And get arrested and then I would actually lose my kid.
34:58How would you get arrested for trying to contact your daughter?
35:01Because that's what I kept getting threatened with.
35:04Because of the mother. All right. What I'm saying is there are different ways.
35:07All right. And I understand the confidence thing. No, no.
35:10And I get what Sue's saying that with that confidence and with confrontation and with anything like that it's difficult.
35:16I'm just saying, to me this isn't about your stammer. This is about the fact that there have been barriers put in your way,
35:21which is meaning that you can't have a relationship with your daughter.
35:23And for us, if doing this facilitates it easier for you to explain to her and we can put you together, that's the most important thing.
35:29So I'm going to have a chat with her and I'm going to catch up with you in a bit and I'm going to leave you with Sue, all right?
35:32Okay.
35:34So that was earlier. Great sympathy with Steve.
35:38Obviously the anxiety and the lack of confidence exacerbates the problem.
35:42But by his own admission, he probably could have done more, but perhaps found it difficult to do so.
35:46This is the other side of the coin. This is daughter Chantel who says, you know, I haven't been contacted.
35:51This guy definitely could have done more. Chantel's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
36:04This is for me, if I'm honest, probably one of the most fascinating stories we've done for a long time,
36:09because it would be very easy, wouldn't it, for people out there to think that I was a little bit harsh just then when I said to him,
36:16come on, is that an excuse?
36:18Real sympathy with your dad for the stammer he's got, but you tend to see it differently as well, right?
36:23Yeah.
36:24Talk to me.
36:25With this whole speech thing, it doesn't stop you from messaging.
36:29There is no harm in just taking a couple of seconds just to send a happy birthday message or anything.
36:36What's been the contact? I mean, you are 20 years of age. You say, well, you were very honest.
36:42You do this because you're, forget them. You say, my relationship with my father has never been the same
36:49after my mother caught him cheating while I was six months of age.
36:52Yeah.
36:53Talk.
36:54Basically, she kicked him out after that point and said to him, he's still allowed to see me, however...
37:02I mean, he implied in there that your mother made it difficult for him.
37:05No.
37:06She set him rules.
37:08Yeah.
37:09As in, he, because he's disappointed me so much.
37:12Got a statement from your mother. Steve left me when Chantal was six months of age.
37:15I caught him having sex with another woman in his car.
37:17He's only ever changed a nappy six times. When he split, he made no effort to see her.
37:21I stopped taking her to stay at his house after he left her in the house with her own, on her own when she was six years of age.
37:27He refused to make the journey after that. He is using his stammer as an excuse.
37:31His stammer should never have stopped him writing a birthday card, a letter or sending our beloved daughter a text.
37:38I hope he can pull himself together. It's a fact, isn't it? Right? That's your mum. Right, right?
37:44I hope he can pull himself together for the sake of Chantal.
37:47But the flip side of the coin is Nicole, his other daughter, your half-sister.
37:51Steve has been a really good dad to me. He's never turned his back on me once.
37:54He's always been there to pick me up when I needed him, and he's always tried to be the same as Chantal.
37:58He does struggle with his speech, which makes it hard to express how he's feeling towards her or to answer her questions.
38:04This has not made him give up. Every time he turns up to Chantal, her mum will threaten him with the police.
38:09They need to start over. Is that true? Does your mother threaten him with the police?
38:12Because if that's the case and the guy's making an effort and he's being turned away, we've got to cut to the chase here. Is that happening?
38:18It happened one time because when me and my mum were in an argument, I had gone to stay at my nan's house.
38:25I had spoken to him when I was 15, and next thing I know, he's round my house where my mum is,
38:32and my other brother banging on the front door, screaming, demanding to get me and to take me away.
38:39What do you want today? You say answers. To what? Do you want him in your life? Do you want...
38:44What do you envisage? I want to know whether he's grown up or not,
38:47because the way he acted was so childish, always.
38:52So I would prefer just to know he's grown up. If he actually wants a relationship to me, he's then got to prove it.
38:59Why would you want to do it here? And here's another thing, again, I'm just going to give this out,
39:02and no doubt some people will complain. A man comes on the Jeremy Carr show and says,
39:06because of my absolutely proven stammer and the ability, the problems that I have because of confidence and anxiety,
39:12I can't leave my house very often and I can't speak to my own kids, and then he comes on a national television show.
39:17What do you want? What do you expect to happen? That's what I need to know.
39:22Um, I just want him to show that he actually cares. There was one time when I tried to get in contact with him,
39:31and arranged to meet up with him. I wanted my parents to be there, because my stepdad, he is my dad.
39:38Um... What does this mean to you today?
39:42I'm so old.
39:44OK, listen, we'll do our best, alright? Disability or no disability, this is, this is huge.
39:50I mean, listen, you haven't seen him for how long?
39:56How long?
39:57Um, I saw him last when I was about 15.
40:02You haven't seen him for, I don't know, 10 years, something like that, in any great detail.
40:06After this break, I'm going to put you two together, we're going to see if we can make this right, OK?
40:10We'll have spent some time with Sue, we'll see what we can do, alright?
40:13Give a round of applause, back after this break, don't worry about it.
40:15Sorry would be a start, I could have done other things, come on!
40:18Just stare!
40:19But why would I have to tell you that?
40:22Cos I don't like being told.
40:23You don't like being told what?
40:25Anything.
40:33Have you been betrayed by someone close to you?
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40:56Thank you very much indeed, welcome back.
40:57Now before we put Shantel and Steve back together, I want to have a quick word with Sue, the speech therapist,
41:09to see just really how well it went this morning.
41:12Sue, you've had an hour or so, obviously that chat we had was earlier and I would not in any way expect miracles, but...
41:18Yeah.
41:19I was watching you when we were talking to him, you talked about anxiety, you talked about confidence,
41:24and how in your profession that will affect somebody's stammer in his case.
41:30How's it been talking to him?
41:31Well, I've given him a few little pointers and a few techniques and I think the way that Steve's been dealing with it
41:37is to probably withdraw a bit socially, not engage with people.
41:42He told me he's chosen a job which doesn't involve a lot of talking,
41:45and the other thing is he does tend to sort of speak quite quietly and swallow his words,
41:50which actually makes the stammer worse rather than improving it.
41:54Somebody in your experience, when you see somebody like Steve or anybody else who's watching this,
41:58if something like this treatment, not in an hour but over a period of sustained time, works,
42:05how does it change a person's life?
42:07In so many ways, because if you think about life in general, it's all about communication,
42:12you know, even like going to the supermarket, telephone, it is all about speaking, isn't it?
42:17You've almost been shoving this to one side.
42:18I think so.
42:19I think he's probably sort of one of those that sort of withdraws and just hopes it will, like, people won't notice.
42:26So, that to me is one part of the story, the other is him as Chantel, which I'm going to work upon.
42:31I know you very kindly said you're going to offer some help to him.
42:33Well, yeah, with your agreement, then, yeah, that would be very useful to continue the therapy with him.
42:39And we'll put your details up on the website. Thank you very much indeed.
42:41All right, nice to see you. Thank you, Susie.
42:42How are we going to give Sue a round of applause? Thank you.
42:46Right, fingers crossed Sue's done a job. She's going to help Steve anyway.
42:50Let's get Chantel back. Give her a round of applause, please, guys. Thank you.
42:56CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
43:01Right.
43:03The speech therapist has been helping your dad since I did that chat with him earlier today for about an hour.
43:08That is a procedure that's not going to happen overnight.
43:10Mm.
43:11You and I were talking. You see that as an excuse.
43:14Yes.
43:15Let's get him out. Steve's on The Jeremy Carr Show, that way.
43:17Steve, first up, um, respect to you, and I mean that, um, for being here, but let's get beyond that.
43:44What's this about for you two? Go on.
43:47It's just really trying to get re-connected again and trying to sort things out.
43:53Erm, whenever I have tried to get back in contact with you and meet up with you, I told you I wanted my dad there.
44:03Yeah.
44:04Because he's been there since I was two and you refused.
44:07Yes.
44:08Because of...
44:10At the end of the day, isn't it my choice?
44:12Yeah.
44:13Yeah, but I would have just preferred just us two.
44:15I would suggest, respectfully, at the age of 53, this is my advice, father of four, grandfather of one.
44:20Why don't you start with the word sorry, pal? That might be a start.
44:24CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
44:27Because for me, we're dressing all this up.
44:30I've told you what I think, and I think she agrees, but we're going to just go around in circles here.
44:34Sorry would be a start. I could have done other things. Come on.
44:37OK.
44:38OK.
44:39Sorry, Chantal.
44:41All right.
44:42God.
44:43Hang on, but I said sorry, Chantal.
44:45But you don't mean it, do you? I shouldn't have to tell her. How old are you?
44:47I just did.
44:48You're 43. Why would I have to tell her father?
44:50Hang on. I just did.
44:52But why would I have to tell you that?
44:55Because I don't like being told, so please.
44:58You don't like being told what?
45:00Anything.
45:03Maybe that's half the problem, pal.
45:05Could well be.
45:07Do you know what I'm trying to say? I'm not...
45:10I have such sympathy for you, but there's no way that you can get away from the fact that you're the father here, mate.
45:17Yeah, I know.
45:18Why don't you tell her what you'd like, and then vice versa?
45:21I did try...
45:23Well, I didn't try, because I did contact you on quite a few occasions.
45:29I had a phone and Facebook, and even my other daughter passed on messages to you about two years ago when you two was at college.
45:43Chantal?
45:44She never passed on any messages from you to me.
45:47All I got told was you said some bad things, and you didn't want to know me.
45:55So, and each time, apart from that, each time I got threatened with the police...
46:04Steve, has that happened on more than one occasion?
46:06Yes, it has.
46:07I would say this.
46:09You two need to cut out outside interference.
46:14You two need to accept the help that we're going to lay at your feet, and it's not just a Sue thing for you.
46:18I just think you need to get into a room, have your heads banged together, have it out, good, bad or indifferent,
46:24shout, scream, cry, and get back to the position that you both patently want to be in.
46:30I mean, sometimes, the thing that happens is life is... Life sort of... Life sort of catches you up, doesn't it?
46:39And then a day becomes a week, becomes a month, becomes a year, and suddenly ten years has gone by.
46:43Do you want a relationship with your dad?
46:45Yeah, he proves to me that he actually wants this.
46:49And do you want a relationship with your daughter?
46:50I'm trying to prove...
46:51And he did come here today, and...
46:53I want you in my life.
46:55And for him to come here with the issue he's got took real courage.
46:58I want to know you again.
47:00All right.
47:02Yeah.
47:03So I do try.
47:05I don't want any more excuses.
47:09The excuses...
47:11Always...
47:13It just seems like you actually don't care when all you do is give excuses.
47:18No.
47:19Do you love your daughter?
47:20Trust me, I do care.
47:21Do you love your daughter?
47:22I wouldn't have photographs of her still.
47:27I wouldn't have the court order, which you probably didn't know about.
47:32I did.
47:33Did you?
47:34Mum told me everything.
47:35Who cares that?
47:36Have a look.
47:37Look at the screen.
47:38Oi!
47:39Yeah.
47:40I've got that and more photos.
47:43And there's the court order.
47:47All right.
47:49Listen, this is a starting point.
47:52These photos ends in my tub drawer next to my bed.
47:57Always.
47:58Guys, you both want the same thing.
47:59That's what this show's about.
48:00It's facilitating that and making it happen.
48:02Guarantee the help from Sue, the therapist.
48:04Guarantee the two of you will get help from our team to try and just get this done.
48:08Do you know what I mean?
48:09Because essentially, this is a bit weird from a bloke who does a talk show, in the end
48:12sometimes in life, people just talk about stuff too much rather than just do it.
48:15No, just actions, need actions than just words.
48:18Start it actually before I finish.
48:20Take your daughter off this stage and go and get the help you need.
48:23Go on, you take your daughter.
48:24Go that way.
48:27Good luck for them.
48:28We'll let you know.
48:29I'm out of time.
48:30I'll see you very soon.
48:31Take care.
48:32Bye for now.
48:33I'm out of time.
49:03Bye for now.
49:04Bye for now.