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00:00well hello and a very warm welcome back to the andrew eborn show with me andrew eborn and i'm
00:13delighted it's that a and e time again that andrew and errol uh errol musk is joining me yet
00:18again how are you errol i'm good thanks thanks very much good trying to recover very popular
00:24demand at the moment not only the family but all of media around the world asking
00:28for your take on everything yes i i've this is my third interview today
00:35this is always your favorite two more coming yeah no i enjoy our chats it's more relaxing you know
00:44yeah well what i love about our chats errol as well is that we have sufficient time to unpack
00:49things it's not like you're here's a couple of minutes give you a soundbite um but absolutely
00:55the uk politics have just returned for 2025 and elon is dominating the headlines uh yet again on
01:03a number of issues i mean he put out a tweet yesterday saying the reform party needs a new
01:08leader farage doesn't have what it takes and you and i have spoken about this beforehand i mean you've
01:14said that they need somebody reform need somebody with strength and fortitude what's your take on
01:20the current situation well you know uh last week in fact i was interviewed uh by people who asked me
01:28you know the moment moments notice to come on talk tv i think it was it could have been another one
01:33in which i said i don't think uh farage is strong enough to be the leader now that's not a personal
01:41you know i'm not taking um as a person i'm sure he's a wonderful he is a nice man and it's a question
01:47of whether you uh you know have the the leadership quality that's needed and uh you know i didn't
01:55really see it i didn't put it like that i said i don't think he's strong enough uh you need to be
02:00really strong you know at the present time tommy robinson is sitting in uh solitary confinement for 18
02:06months uh for for uh transgressing on a simple civil matter and this is wrong so he's a political
02:15prisoner and nobody's doing anything about it and um then of course you've got all this information
02:22coming out through whistleblowers of the uh the raping that's taking place of english girls
02:28by these uh um people from third world countries and um you know um and nothing's been really being
02:36done about it's been hidden and elon has actually reacted to that by by not only suddenly saying to
02:43you know nigel for hours what what have you been doing what do you do about it he has been saying
02:48to nigel for hours for some time what are you doing about it and nothing has been done about it and
02:55as we see it right now you know nigel nice person no doubt and certainly a man is capable of heading
03:02a ministry but at the same time you know um it's it's armchair politicians and um you know that's not
03:10that's not enough at the moment things are really bad in england i mean this stomach guy is playing
03:18cardboard i don't think you people can see it sometimes when we're in the midst of it you can't
03:23see things you know and so we you know in the outside world we see it and we we see from our
03:30own experiences that you've got to do something about it you know armchair politicians and armchair
03:36generals and so forth they don't work anymore and um you know um it's something's got to be done about
03:43it uh slumber in his way in the way that they're doing is tearing your country apart and um you know
03:51uh something's got to be done about it and uh ferran and to elon's credit and lots of people have come
03:57out and said look without elon uh there would not be a spotlight shone on these horrendous issues and
04:03and i always say truth doesn't mind being questioned a lie doesn't like to be challenged
04:07well yes i mean if it wasn't for elon now i wouldn't say this as a rock hard statement but i
04:15certainly feel it's true if it wasn't for elon uh trump would not be in power becoming into power
04:22um you know elon bringing 250 million viewers that follow him into the um equation had a tremendous
04:31effect on on trump's chances you know in fact um the democrats and i have been there and spoken with
04:40a lot of them you know the people there and so on were absolutely convinced they had absolutely no
04:45doubt that kamala harris was going to win this election they were they were totally absolutely
04:51totally convinced of it and um you know uh you know of course not only did she not win she i mean she
04:58was really a hell of a doubt the country is red from one end to the other has been been united
05:03anyway so the trump effect obviously will see its way across to other countries uh around the world
05:11you know everybody's had to take note you know that uh waste and absolutely dopey ideas have no place
05:19in the world in the world and um you know and so people are waking up to that and um i was reading
05:28about people in england on another a little bit of another tack where a man was talking about he gets
05:35a good wage and uh his wife was with him and classy sort of people and i think at the end of the
05:41of the week or whatever the payment payday is i don't know a month or two weeks uh he has 40 percent
05:49to be salary to to use and um that's that's wrong that's terrible and um you know in exchange for it
05:57you have these so-called socialist programs but um if you have to wait 18 months for an nhs
06:04appointment i don't think that's uh uh something to brag about and it's absolutely scandalous and
06:12well elon tweeted again lots of tweets he's he's been shining his spotlight on on the particularly on
06:18the uk at the moment um but he says his latest thing was starmer must go he's a national
06:23embarrassment is what what he said and again i know you share those views don't you yes i agree
06:30and i mean solomon's not worried he's got some big shadow uh uh people put it as propped him up there
06:38and so he's banking on his uh supporters you know and so um i mean the people in the shadows that seem to
06:47be uh looking after him so um i can only imagine that uh um this is a battle royal it's not a this is
06:56not going to be an easy battle and so you do need someone you know as i've said on other occasions
07:02you know that's really a strong and is prepared to you know be crucified i mean and and and not
07:09somebody who's really just wants to have a bit of a chat between between fags you know if you
07:13understand what i mean and um so you know you know you look at i said for example on a channel that
07:20tommy robinson is very likely the future pm of england and people were shocked you know how could you
07:27possibly say something like that well i say that because i'm a student of history and um in history uh
07:33the number of times that this has happened it's just innumerable uh those that were imprisoned
07:39for their beliefs later became the leaders of those countries and certainly even in modern times
07:45i can think of at least 10 maybe 20 heads of state that that happened to and so um you need a
07:52person that's prepared to uh you know put everything on the line and this uh robinson guy
07:59to a certain extent he's the only one who's done it yeah and so would you like to talk about people
08:03who've been imprisoned and then became leader i'm obviously in south africa what are you likening
08:08tommy robinson to nelson mandela well yes if you look at nelson mandela for example um nelson mandela was
08:18found guilty of bombings various bombings one bombing in fact was placed at the foot of a of a high
08:25tension line which came down on a number of homes and killed a lot of innocent people for which he was
08:34sentenced to death for the for the act and um at the time he was not viewed as uh someone that uh was
08:43wonderful or anything like that and um you know fortunately for everyone um his death sentence was
08:51commuted to a uh life imprisonment i mean and um you know um and we eventually wound up with this
08:59rather remarkable man um in in the world and um but at the time if you'd said to people he's going to be
09:07the future president of south africa well people would have thought you you were really um off your
09:13head or or or or claiming uh you know uh sort of revolutionary or something to say something of
09:20that nature so yeah i know um but it's not only mandela i mean there are many many people you know
09:27that that's happened to um you know so let's you know you can think of all the rather shady types of
09:33i don't know if they really are shady but let's say you know fidel castro um stalin hitler mussolini
09:41neru uh you can the list just goes on and on these are all people who were actually imprisoned for their
09:47political transgressions uh and that of course is what's happened to tommy robinson i mean don't for a
09:53moment think he's actually in prison it seems to be over tommy robinson that um uh elon's fallen out
09:59with uh nigel farage because uh uh nigel's basically saying that when when he comes over
10:04for the inauguration he's going to have a quiet word with elon to explain about tommy robinson that
10:09he's in there for contempt of court and elon's posted well he understands that but the punishment
10:14for contempt of court putting him in prison for 18 months um seems completely wrong when you're
10:20getting lots of other criminals walking around on the streets uh as we speak well you know um i
10:27have been guilty of contempt of court and the reason all right a civil case and you get a fine or you
10:38get wrapped over the knuckles or you ask to explain yourself you know you don't get put in solitary
10:44confinement for 18 months i mean that's crazy so um it was a civil matter as well and so um you know
10:53he didn't do anything criminal he simply put out a um video and and you know somebody wasn't to do
11:00that and and and and and you know as you know so yeah so no no um robinson is a political prisoner
11:08and as elon has pointed out and not only elon of course there are 3 000 people apparently sitting in
11:14prison in the uk right now for posting things on internet and i mean that's crazy uh and long-term
11:24serious villains criminals have been released to make space for them so you know summer is really
11:33playing hardball with people i mean there's no you know because of course they come from the the sort of
11:40left weedy weak side of things there's a certain kind of feeling well our shame you know let's let
11:47them have a bit of a go at things but this film is really having a hell of a go of things you know
11:54and when you when you read many reports that i've read and seen that he was the prosecutor general at the
12:02time of the the worst uh rapes that were taking place and he had them all you know uh hidden away
12:10so that could not be investigated well then you immediately know there's something really really
12:16odd going on here yeah i think it's interesting you raised to anyone with a little bit of a mind i
12:22just want to say the plan seems to be to to to to send england as we know it down the drain yeah
12:29yeah and i i think i mean you you've you've been very eloquent on that um several times on on the
12:34andrew eborn show we've spoken about that over the several months that we've we've known each other
12:38um and sakir is actually he's just come out in the last few minutes and he's posted this this is what
12:44he said in his speech he said uh in surrey today those that are spreading lies and misinformation as
12:49far and as wide as possible are not interested in the victims they're interested in themselves
12:54uh those who are cheerleading tommy robinson are not interested in justice uh what's your response to
12:59that is this starmer speaking this is what starmer said in response uh uh i presume to elon i mean he
13:07was asked specifically about elon and you know i i you know i wouldn't worry about the verbiage that
13:16comes out i mean you have to look at what he's done it's not a question of him trying to point
13:22fingers i mean it's standard you know whenever you have a situation that's difficult the bureaucrats
13:29or the civil servants or whoever it is you know step back and rely on some rule that's in some book
13:38that was written about this and you have to go about it in this and that way you don't do it like
13:43that and you have to do it this way in that way which is just another form of obfuscation and so um you
13:50know to avoid people having the opportunity to do anything about it no um i wouldn't worry about
13:57soma soma's cooked i mean he's finished everybody can see it the the this thing's hanging on with
14:02the thread there even people in england are saying in large numbers that um he hasn't got going to see
14:09the year out and um it wasn't long ago when people were saying oh well he's got four and a half years
14:15and um now they're saying well he's not going to see the year out and my own feeling three or four
14:21months ago when they had the riots was this government won't be able to stay in power beyond
14:26february's yeah you've said you've said that a few times here is that february's your deadline and
14:31people who are betting if they put a bet on it uh there there is in fact a debate going on uh today
14:37later today um in the house of parliament about should this government be uh basically pushed aside and
14:43have another general election that's happening in the next few hours and i'll get your take on that
14:47uh a little bit later after that debate has happened but basically as director of public
14:51prosecutions that's what starmer was and he did approve charges against the rochdale grooming gang
14:56in 2013 and implemented cps reforms on child sex abuse cases but it's a question about and it really is
15:02shining a spotlight i always say that sunlight is the best disinfectant and why on earth people
15:08wouldn't want a proper public inquiry into these horrendous cases and i also do what i don't like
15:14uh as well is this euphemism when they call them grooming gangs what they are rape torture gangs if you
15:20read the reports about what's gone on it is absolutely abhorrent isn't it yes absolutely and um you know um
15:31england has always been the place that people in the outside provinces or countries or sort of
15:38you know if if everything doesn't work out here you know i'll go back to england and i'll find a
15:43little cottage in some little town you know and and i'll be it'll be wonderful you know like benjamin
15:49franklin did that you know when he was in the early stages of the american revolution uh he went to
15:55england and he said it's so much nicer to be here i'd rather stay here than go back and fight for my
16:00countrymen but um he did go back but um england has always been a refuge and so now all of a sudden
16:08it's not a refuge anymore uh for for its own people who are currently less important and have less say
16:16than than illegal immigrants so you know it's not rocket science you know everything is written in
16:23huge banners for people to see and it's a question of the old thing you know like your average you know
16:32grade six or seven pupil at primary school would just believes that the principal and the school and
16:41then obviously a little later on the government does no wrong it's they're always right and so uh you know
16:49you just obey and you do what you're told but we are seeing things happening we were seeing things
16:56happening in america that that are so over the top i mean sarah has just been made a free medal of
17:04freedom uh recipient uh you know when everyone knows that this man has gone out of his way to buy
17:13um you know courts and print sheriffs and so forth throughout the country and and um people have
17:21reached the point where they they realized that they've got to do something about it now in a you know
17:27as as my teacher history teacher told me politics is about 50 of of your life for people that's in
17:36in a country that's bumbling along in a country that is not doing well is really bad
17:43that grows that gets worse so you can wind up in a country like maybe nazi germany where
17:49politics is like 95 of your life and then what you would have on the other hand is when a country
17:56is run exceptionally well politics becomes 10 of your life because it's just run so well
18:03you know and so it's that scale that you're looking at and so in in all of the situations that
18:09we live in today we'd have a situation that um politics is perhaps as much as 50 of your life
18:16because you can't ignore what's going on and um in england right now i would imagine for most people
18:22politics has become about 60 of their life and certainly and what's really important there's some
18:28very key issues like hillsborough windrush grenfell you had the post office scandal over here you had the
18:34tainted blood scandal and what it was is the media who basically shone a spotlight who forced the sort
18:41of political landscape and that seems to be elon's role now shining this spotlight now i always say
18:46sunlight is the best disinfectant um some of his rather colorful language though the safeguarding
18:51minister jess phillips uh elon labeled her as a rape genocide apologist in relation to grooming gangs
18:57as you know it's a euphemism i don't it's basically a rape torture gang and basically she rejected oldham
19:03council's call for government-led inquiry do you think his language calling her a rape genocide apologist
19:10is constructive or does that cross the line no no not at all i think he would have chosen his words quite
19:17carefully to make a statement like that um i would uh think that um um um um can i just stop for a
19:27moment of course i can put into that noise yes no problem i'll pause you for you we'll take a break
19:36uh welcome back that's one of the joys of things when we do remotely you get family life behind you
19:41as well so i've had the joy of meeting some of your family remotely as well which has always been fun
19:45um we were talking the horrible situation about these uh uh rape torture gangs and and the the
19:52circumstances and the evidence which is coming out as i said elon labeled jess phillips as a rape
19:57genocide apologist uh over her response to these gangs and i was asking you whether you think it's
20:04constructive or it crosses the line what are your views well yes no i don't think that's harsh language
20:10at all i think it's probably accurate very accurate language um you know uh it's very
20:15accurate under the circumstances if you compare that sort of language with the the things that
20:21the ministers that some of the ministers that are in the uh british government at the moment said about
20:26trump including i think the um deputy prime minister woman you know um the things they've said about trump
20:36uh oh vastly they're so bad that you you know you you you can't go and shake hands with that person
20:44afterwards you know impossible for for for trump and his people to go over and shake hands with him
20:50after the things that they've said whereas the rape genocide apologist is simply a sort of technical
20:57description of the situation that you know where the person who's been told that they've done that can
21:03object and say no it wasn't rape and it wasn't genocide and so you're wrong on those two points
21:08say for example and i'm not an apologist so it's that's reasonable you might even use language like
21:16that in in in parliament but um no the things that the um these people have said about the uh trump
21:26administration people is um you know the sort of things that you would actually look say to the person
21:32look i'll see you outside about that you know what i mean i want you outside if it's another man
21:38you know i'm not going to tell you that that's okay i want to see you outside and i want you to repeat
21:44those things you know or something to that effect and um yeah no um they've said things that are gross
21:51not repeatable actually i can think of some of them they're not worth repeating you know well
21:58the health secretary over here wes streetings his name he he called it a disgraceful smear uh you're
22:04saying it's a it's basically a justifiable comment yes of course it's a justifiable it's a technical
22:12comment it's not a it's it's a it's a technical comment it's it's a comment that might be used in a
22:19in an official document it's you know rape genocide apologist it's well how else would you say it you
22:26might put it into a sentence and say this person has been aware of rapes taking place which are
22:35almost on a genocidal level and is apologizing and or is not uh doing anything about it in fact is
22:43apologizing for people who've done these things and so you might put it in a sentence like that
22:49so it's not really a um it's not a slander of any kind it's something accurate yeah and elon he's
22:56also very good at praising people when they they say things which uh which he agrees with so kenny
23:02badenock uh the leader of the conservative party we've spoken about her beforehand she's supported a
23:08public inquiry into child sexual abuse and uh basically elon's come out and said well well done her
23:14uh yes of course but i mean you need you need a very very big inquiry you know at this time uh if
23:23if even only a a small percentage of the things that they say happened um you know the whistleblower i
23:31listened to the whistleblower woman talking for a long time one of them and and and if only a small
23:37percentage of those things happen then it's it warrants a very serious investigation i mean uh
23:44you can't have you know almost um institutionalized rape occurring in a country i mean you can't do
23:52that i mean it's not that you can't do it it's it's it's it's beyond beyond belief that that anyone
23:58could even remotely tolerate anything like that yeah and you know if you have children i think
24:04there should be no harm in finding out who knew what when all the only mistress if you like that
24:11we have is the truth isn't it yes they want the truth to be to broadcast and you know again we come
24:19back to the fact that england being what i always talk about england but obviously i include scotland
24:25and whales and island and so on but i mean england has always been the place where people do the
24:30right thing it's always you know for us in the sort of provinces and things out in the world you know
24:35england's a place where you know we do bad things but if the england would come and you know punish us
24:42if they heard about it because england's the place where only the good things are done if you if
24:48you know what i mean and i mean when churchill in those days and people before him and people after him
24:53that are said that we we are custodians of you know sort of the right way more or less is what i
25:03imagine churchill said things like that that we we will we will fight the bad things in the world
25:10um you know everybody just knew that that's england you know that's that's england and and um people
25:17were prepared to travel and and join england and do anything they could because that was england you
25:24know it's not only the second world war it's it's many things you know many many things i mean england
25:30was a country that i of course i include scotland wales and ireland been picked out about that but um
25:37you know that that went around the world bringing education roads and administration and hospitals and
25:44went to people that had never known any kind of stable existence in their lives and and they
25:51brought stability all around the world and created you know the greatest empire you know worldwide
25:58empire that's ever been so you know i know um england is england you know i don't know what else
26:04about it no no i think it is so important and well elon's gone as far as to call on the king to
26:10dissolve parliament about this and as i say in the next few hours there's going to be that debate
26:15in parliament following the petition which got over three million people saying that there should be
26:20a new general election the reality however errol is that uh they're probably going to win that vote
26:27and that that debate and therefore they'll still be stuck in but the power of the people and this is
26:32the important point is that elon has basically he's hit a nerve he's got the people behind him
26:37where do you think he wants to go personally with all of this well i think you know uh it's difficult
26:46to say i i'm sure what we want is something similar to what has happened in the united states
26:53the election of a government a cleanup government that's going to clean up things and um i suppose
26:59that would be you know the sort of sensible answer but at the same time you know politics is like
27:05the weather it's still more difficult than the weather you know you can predict the weather it's
27:09very difficult to predict uh you know uh politics but um i think nothing would be happening nobody would
27:17be complaining elon would still be building corners and whatever uh for a long time now if it hadn't been
27:24for biden you know um you know people from south africa as i've mentioned before coming from the apartheid
27:32country that he did they they went to america with and they didn't wave any flags you know i mean they
27:36they joined in with the uh the most uh so-called well i like the word progressive i i don't call
27:44those people progressive but unfortunately that's the label they get uh liberals another one and he
27:49joined with those sort of people to to not shake up anybody's you know feelings sort of thing and um
27:56and and and he would have still been building cars and looking at the next type of uh airplane or
28:02something like that he wouldn't be doing anything like he's doing now if it hadn't been for the fact
28:07that he was he was forced into it he's drawn into it you know um it's like walking past a uh a commotion or
28:16a quarrel or a fight that's going on and you're being drawn into it and and um you know you can walk away
28:23and leave some poor woman or something being beaten up or whatever it is or you can get involved
28:30and of course in this case he he decided he's going to get involved and um you know again he hasn't
28:38done himself any favors he's lost sort of so-called friends you know friends and and they um
28:46were really stupid people who are just living on their on their on all their gains and things and
28:52not worrying about the rest of the world no we are really people i suppose in this family
28:57um who really look at others and places and and we don't like it if things are not good for other
29:04people as they might be for us goodness you are calling it out as i say people and this is the
29:08whole point about freedom of speech is that we want to encourage different views so at least the
29:12topics are debated um you've got germ but it's not popular with the politicians german chancellor
29:17olaf schultz has said uh about elon don't feed the troll uh he said about the sort of comments there
29:22and his uh elon supporter of the uh afd party uh whilst uh obviously talking about the current leaders
29:29you've also got the norwegian uh prime minister he's basically criticized um his uh elon's involvement
29:37calling it worrying um should these politicians be worried well you know they're all part of the same
29:44group they've managed to get themselves elected there are people who don't do anything and most
29:48of the time and their their way of getting uh making their their living is to be parasites on the
29:55rest of us so um you know uh you can expect that from them so um i've been watching quite a lot of talks
30:03by the afd mostly it's women talking uh in fact i haven't heard any man from afd speaking and i think
30:10in fact the leader of the afd is a woman and um and um there's certainly nothing uh right-wing about
30:16them at all um but they are described as far right there's nothing right doing about them at all
30:22they are totally common sense people and they they talk absolute common sense i'm sure you've seen some
30:28of them talking no no absolutely we'll be doing um a a discussion a live discussion with the afd chancellor
30:35uh candidate uh alice weidel uh on his social media platform x before the german election on the 23rd
30:41um of february so he he's obviously throwing himself right front and center of all these
30:48debates and however much the politicians resist it uh the general population are turning around and
30:52say look elon's the hero in this isn't he well yes of course of course they see that and he doesn't
30:59have to do this he doesn't have to do this he could be off on some you know private island or something
31:05you know with a big yacht outside and he could hire all the entertainment he wanted you know and he
31:12could just uh flop about all day you know losing or something and uh he didn't do that instead he makes
31:20his life miserable by actually taking up the cudgel on behalf of people he feels are not getting a fair
31:26shake i mean it's you know it's obvious um he's not some ego-driven maniac or anything like that
31:33he sees what's going wrong and he doesn't like it just like you just like me and and most of us
31:43you yourself errol in politics at a very early age you're a seasoned politician you know how to
31:49navigate these various things yes what advice would you give to elon uh on at the current situation
31:58carry on carry on exactly the same do not change one bit keep on exactly as you are you are hitting
32:11nerves as you've pointed out left right and center and um you know these people know it the the the
32:18the the decent people in the world are the people that song ran his card people like that and the
32:23germ the current german government and so forth take advantage of because they are the people that
32:29will always say uh well i'm sure they're trying their best you know you know you know i'm sure if
32:35you think of your aunts and uncles and so forth you know you wouldn't want to question they're doing
32:41their best don't don't you worry they're doing their best in reality they're not they have some
32:46crazy agendas that somebody has taught them or put to them that um you know somewhat equivalent to
32:5584 you know what 1984 george orwell's book you know where somebody's convinced them that this is the way
33:02to go and um you know um i can't understand why um but but that's what they want then i think it's got
33:11a lot to do with fear i mean if you live in a very highly populated country which most of us do and
33:18and and you've got people out there who do things that are wrong and criminals and so on and you get
33:24a government that comes along and says we're going to put everybody on the face recognition we're going
33:28to put everybody on a sort of number basis we're going to be able to monitor every move they make by as
33:35they walk past some clicker will click on their on their barcode that's imprinted in their arm or
33:42something like that and it's going to be much better you know and um and people sort of think
33:47all these really it doesn't apply to any of me the cousins uncles and friends that i've got but i
33:52suppose it applies to all those other people so i guess we'll just go along with it as well yeah you
33:57you know so sound advice from a seasoned politician as carry on when we come back uh we're going to be
34:04looking at the situation in the us we're also going to be talking about uh the success that spacex has
34:09been and uh around the world phenomenal successes uh also looking at uh revelations about elon's
34:15tremendous charitable donations which have come out as well and what i also want to look at is this new
34:22uh bitcoin uh which uh has been sort of hinted at um but for now errol musk thank you very much for
34:28joining me okay pleasure