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00:00What I love about our conversations is, as I say, we can unpack the latest stories and get to the truth without sort of just going for a soundbite.
00:13So there's been a number of stories in the last sort of 24 hours since we last spoke, one of which was with the glorious headline of You'll Never Walk Elon, as opposed to You'll Never Walk Alone.
00:24And your interest in Liverpool and the potential of Elon buying Liverpool Football Club.
00:31What's your reality about that situation?
00:35Well, you know, I was talking to Times TV and they were asking me all sorts of questions around these lines.
00:45And an interesting sort of interviewer, a woman with a bit of, you know, she was pretty smart.
00:49And then suddenly out of the blue, while we were talking about, you know, Farage and so on, she suddenly said to me, is it true that your son wants to buy Liverpool Football Club?
01:03Now, I'm not that up on things that I know.
01:05I didn't really know if Liverpool has a football club.
01:08But anyway, I was quite surprised and I didn't know what to say.
01:13So she said, tell us.
01:15So I said, well, any answer I give you is going to probably affect the price if that's the case.
01:20I don't know anything about it.
01:21I said, don't know anything about it.
01:23But I mean, anything I say is going to, maybe they'll change the price if I say something.
01:27So I better keep quiet.
01:30And then, you know, she asked me further.
01:33And I said, well, it's interesting though.
01:36Of course, my mother did come from Liverpool and, you know, and we have relatives there.
01:39So, and, you know, and I mentioned that we actually, as a result of living there among
01:45that particular Moseyside crowd, we knew the Beatles, you know, and so on.
01:52And, well, not all of them, some of them.
01:54And, you know, and that was the end of it.
01:57And then we went on with the conversation.
02:00And then subsequently, friends of mine in England started sending me, you know, one after the
02:06other news reports that Elon is buying Liverpool Football Club, the father has, his father
02:12has confirmed it.
02:13And I, whoo, I said, well, I thought, well, that's crazy.
02:17But I'm talking about dozens of these news reports, not one.
02:20I forgot.
02:21I stopped counting at about 12 or 13 or 14.
02:24And then, and then I got a message from Elon, did you say I'm buying Liverpool Football Club?
02:33And then they gave me the transcript that, that they had, but the actual transcript, which
02:39looked as though something wasn't entirely the full transcript, there was something slightly,
02:44some of the stuff was in brackets.
02:45Right.
02:45That, that, that somebody had put in brackets.
02:48In other words, I'd said something and then something was added and put in brackets and
02:52then something else.
02:53I said, no, I said, I said, I don't know anything about that.
02:56And they said, oh, okay.
02:58Elon said, okay, well, fine.
02:59You know, he'll deal with it.
03:00But, um, uh, um, since then I've had a lot of messages from ordinary people who seem to
03:07find a way to contact me and say, um, what a great idea.
03:11We can't wait to how wonderful it's going to be.
03:14And other people coming back saying, Trinny, you'd rather consider Manchester United, you
03:20know, wouldn't you speak to him about considering Manchester United because it's cheaper.
03:26And, um, apparently Manchester United is 5 million, billion pounds.
03:32I don't know how it comes to that figure, but I don't know what you get.
03:34Actually, do you get a change room or something?
03:37I don't know what you get.
03:39I don't know what you get, but at any rate, you, and the other one is 6 billion.
03:44You know, and some of them are not for sale.
03:48I mean, but it's, it's a perfect example.
03:50They say it's a, uh, this is what I love about our conversations.
03:53We can set the record straight because if you, if I sort of turn around and say, well,
03:58are you going to buy Harrods?
03:59So would Elon buy Harrods?
04:00You might say, well, it's a good store.
04:02It's got a great reputation.
04:03And then all of a sudden it's all over the world, but it might be a good idea to buy Harrods
04:07or buy GB News if it were for sale or, or any of those sorts of things.
04:11And that's the issue.
04:13So to be clear, you never said that Elon's going to buy Liverpool or even that you've
04:19Oh, no, no.
04:19I wouldn't, I didn't know anything about it.
04:21How could I possibly say anything?
04:23I mean, I don't know.
04:24I didn't even know Liverpool football club was for sale.
04:29Um, but in fact, I received a, uh, a very formal letter from, I forget the sort of D some
04:38big company that said we own, uh, to me, we own, um, foot, the Liverpool football club
04:47and football, and we are deeply committed to the Liverpool football club.
04:52Um, and there's no way that we are selling Liverpool football club.
04:57Yeah, well, that will be, I can, I can tell you who that is, Errol.
05:00It's the Fenway Sports Group, the FSG, who acquired Liverpool in 2010.
05:06Um, and they, they've looked for external investment because running a football club
05:09is very expensive.
05:10These players and various other things cost a lot of money.
05:12So having investment is a good idea, but so, so they wrote to you.
05:16Is that the sort of update?
05:17They wrote to you saying it's not for sale.
05:20Yes.
05:20Uh, I got this message that, um, it's not for sale and, um, you know, I just said,
05:29okay, I'm not, I'm not, I'm surprised that you're telling me.
05:31I mean, thank you very much.
05:32I appreciate you telling me that, but, um, it is rather funny because, I mean, you
05:37know, I know nothing, absolutely nothing about it.
05:39And, um, on the other hand, you know, when I heard what the price was and I, and I know
05:44that, you know, Elon is, you know, has easily enough money to even not even notice that he
05:51bought the place.
05:52Uh, I thought, well, why not?
05:54I mean, you know, here again, it's just me, you know, just me, not him, just me.
05:59And, and then, then I thought, okay, but on the other hand, if you buy something like
06:03that, obviously it's an extra worry on your, on your shoulders and, and you can't sort
06:08of buy it and just forget about it.
06:09They'll want to see you and you'd have to be part of it and you have to sort of show
06:14an interest and all that sort of stuff.
06:15So it's not as though you can buy something like that and then, you know, walk away and
06:19wash your hands of it.
06:20Um, I had that experience once myself, I was similar to nature.
06:24I took over a large restaurant.
06:27I was a shareholder in four very major restaurants in the Johannesburg area.
06:33And, um, the, the three partners I had were keen to immigrate to Canada and I, and they
06:40wanted to sell the entire, um, restaurant group to, uh, Sun City, Sun International, who
06:47owned Sun City, and, um, I said, no, well, why don't I take over one, the one closest
06:53to me and I will, I'd like to run it, you know, cause I was curious.
06:57I, I used to go there, but never felt part of it, you know?
07:00And then they said, great.
07:02So they, so they gave me the one as my share, you see.
07:05And then I assumed after that, that I would waltz in, you know, with my friends and with,
07:10you know, we'd get a lovely table and we'd have a lovely evening every time I wanted
07:14to go.
07:15No, no, no.
07:16The minute I took over, we had two managers, it was a very big restaurant, it was about
07:20150 very plush seats and all that sort of stuff.
07:25And, um, and, uh, I was immediately dragged in by the managers, you know, I realized what
07:31an incredible hard job it is for these managers, because it was almost like a 24 hour day job,
07:37if you know what I mean.
07:38Yeah.
07:39Uh, you, you, you go into the night, it was more, we had a dance floor, so it was more
07:43into the night, and then the next morning you've got to be perfect and ship shape at
07:4811 o'clock in the morning to open for lunch.
07:51And, um, you know, I, I saw how hard it was.
07:55It was incredibly hard.
07:56And I think I told you before, you know, at one time we had 27 permanent staff and many
08:02of them were black.
08:03And on one occasion, uh, we had this, uh, memory, memory, memory, uh, the room commemoration
08:09day for, um, Soweto riots.
08:12And the word went out from the ANC, this was in the old days of apartheid, nobody, no black
08:19person was to come to work.
08:20And so a few of my black people, black people did come and I didn't go there that day as
08:25it happened, but a bomb was thrown into the restaurant, you know, bomb was thrown in.
08:30And, um, unfortunately the restaurant had an entrance hall and then a very fancy entrance
08:35hall.
08:36And then the next, the next thing was a ladies bar on the side, fancy, what do we call a
08:40ladies bar, very fancy sort of place where you can take ladies and then the actual restaurant
08:45itself.
08:46So the bomb went off in the, um, front hall and did quite a bit of damage to the paneling
08:51and everything, but, um, didn't damage, it didn't hurt anybody because of the fact that
08:56they threw it in and ran, if it ran away, you know.
09:01Yeah.
09:01I know you're telling me about it.
09:03Extraordinary.
09:04And, and I know a number of people who own restaurant chains, a good friend of mine,
09:07the, uh, uh, Luigi Lavarini, he owns the spaghetti house chain over here celebrating 70 years
09:12this year.
09:12Uh, and the reality is it's a tremendous amount of hard work.
09:16People think when I retire, I'll buy a pub and I'll run that.
09:18And actually it's the hardest work they ever do.
09:21Well, you know, it's, uh, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a family.
09:25It has generally the ones that work are family businesses.
09:28You have to be in there all the time.
09:31You know, it's, it's, it's easy to imagine that you could do it, but if you have a home,
09:37if you're at home and you decide to, if you're, you know, if you're happily, luckily enough
09:42to be a happily married couple and you have your friends over and usually it's a couple
09:47of people, maybe it's four people you have over and your wife does it.
09:50And you see the, the hardship she goes through to prepare a nice meal for everybody, you
09:56know, and, and then you, then you imagine a restaurant where you, where you're filling
10:00those seats three times during the evening.
10:04Um, and, and, and of course during the day as well.
10:06So you don't, you don't do that once you do it in a, in a, in a particular evening,
10:12you might do it from the evening onwards, maybe three times.
10:15And, and, and everything has to be perfect and, um, and so on.
10:20Yeah.
10:20So, uh, yeah, it's very hard, very hard.
10:23I wouldn't, you know, always feel attracted back to it because you think, boy, that was
10:28interesting, but I don't think it's a good idea.
10:30No.
10:32No, but you're absolutely right, Harold.
10:33I think, uh, if, if Elon were to invest in any sporting team, he'd have to take an active
10:38interest.
10:39And you have a number of Hollywood celebrities who've invested in teams over here and there,
10:43they show up on the terraces on, on a regular basis.
10:45But, but you mentioned, I mean, you, you've got family connections there.
10:48Uh, Elon's grandmother was, was born in Liverpool, wasn't she?
10:51Yes.
10:52Yes.
10:52You know, all her family were born in Liverpool.
10:55Um, and, uh, oddly enough, my brother's just sent me her brother's war record.
11:00Uh, he did 41 emissions over Germany as a gunner in a Lancaster.
11:06Um, and, um, on the 41st mission, he lost an eye and a leg and, uh, he was a gunner and,
11:15uh, he, he received a lot of, um, he received the recognition for it and so forth.
11:22And it's an interesting to see the, the, the, the record.
11:25I did see it once before, but my brothers resurrected it.
11:28And, um, yeah, he was a wonderful man, Uncle Ken.
11:31And he, um, he got a job sort of with the government sort of forever, you know, after
11:38that, uh, because he, he, he had to have a wooden leg and, uh, he only had one eye, but
11:43they, they looked after him and, uh, he was, the funniest thing is he was always smiling.
11:48It was a very smiling man.
11:50And, um, you know, that was her brother and he was born there.
11:53And then the other two brothers, of course, and then of course, there's her cousins.
11:57The one cousin was general, the CEO of Manchester printing, make pen, paper making.
12:04And I remember him telling me it's the second biggest paper manufacturing company in the
12:07world and so on.
12:09So the family all did quite well.
12:10It wound up living in what they call the world, the world or something there, which is
12:15rather nice.
12:15And, um, yeah, so they're all Scousers.
12:18I think they call themselves Scousers.
12:21And you mentioned connections to, to the Beatles.
12:23Tell me about those connections and which of the Beatles did you meet and in what circumstances?
12:28Well, you know, I was a bit on the younger side.
12:31I was more like 12 when, when 12, 13 is when all that was going on.
12:36And then, um, um, um, my cousin, Barbara, who was from Liverpool, she actually got a job
12:43with the Beatles, uh, in Abbey Lane.
12:46So, um, because they knew her and everything and she worked for them in Abbey Lane in London,
12:52you know, just around the corner from me.
12:56Yes.
12:56And then, and then, um, and then a few years later when I was a bit older, I did go there
13:02and, um, and I, I was able to go into Abbey Lane, you know, it's hard to, I don't think
13:06you'd easily go in there, but anyway, we went in and, uh, Barbara was there and then she
13:11was able to introduce us to John Lennon and, um, George, George Arras, who came through actually
13:17while we were sitting there or talking or visiting and, um, and they came through, you
13:22know, and, um, you know, they're very nice.
13:25Obviously, uh, I remember John Lennon, hello, mate.
13:28Hello, mate.
13:29You know, that's what he said to me.
13:31Hello, I, where are you from?
13:33I said, South Africa.
13:35I don't know what he, I can't remember what he replied, but it was something like, that's,
13:38that's far away.
13:39Well, I don't know what he said.
13:40Something like that.
13:41I was a bit overwhelmed.
13:42I don't remember George Harrison saying anything.
13:45And, um, you know, and then off they went.
13:47And then Barbara presented us with a signed, uh, uh, uh, the long playing record in white.
13:55I saw something that's not sold or something like that.
13:58It's like an issue or something like that with, with, uh, uh, Gerald and family, um, uh, you
14:06know, from George and Paul and, and Ringo and, and, um, and, uh, you know, who's the other?
14:12Um, John, uh, you know, signed, signed and everything and good luck mates and all that
14:18sort of stuff.
14:19And, um, and, uh, we still have that.
14:22It's, it's, it, it hangs, I think, in Elon's, one of Elon's, Elon's homes.
14:27Oh, Elon's got it now.
14:29Okay.
14:30Yeah.
14:30We sent it over to him because we figured he might want to put it in, in his, in a frame
14:34or something.
14:35We put it in a frame.
14:36In fact, we sent it to him and, um, maybe he put it in a better frame.
14:39I don't know, but it was, I took it to Sotheby's once years later in the eighties, you know,
14:44um, later on in the eighties, I took it to Sotheby's or was it the other one Christie's
14:49and I asked them if it's worth anything and they said to me, it's worth 2,000 pounds at
14:56the time.
14:57Yes.
14:57That was before Beatles, Beatles memorabilia became sort of more in demand, I suppose,
15:03you know, I would imagine it's worth more than that now.
15:06Oh, significantly, significantly more than that.
15:10I think that's right.
15:10You mentioned that Barbara worked for the Beatles.
15:12What did she do for them?
15:14Pardon?
15:15What did Barbara do for the Beatles?
15:16You mentioned she worked for them.
15:17I guess she did office work or something.
15:20I remember she was, yeah, she was basically an office worker, you know, pretty girl.
15:25And she was at the front desk.
15:26I mean, we certainly didn't go further than the front desk.
15:29So I assume she was at the front desk.
15:31Yeah.
15:32Yeah.
15:32So there's a logical connection.
15:34But what I love about this story is it's sort of a typical, isn't it?
15:38Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story because you can hear the genesis
15:42of what actually happened on that sort of stuff.
15:44Because Forbes valued Liverpool at $4.3 billion in May.
15:49Obviously, it's a small fraction of Elon's wealth in and of itself.
15:54But the reality is that he never, as far as you're concerned, has expressed an interest
16:00in buying Liverpool.
16:01And you were sort of cornered, if you like, and say, well, if he did want to buy it, would
16:04he?
16:05Well, he could have done because we've got a connection.
16:06Well, you know, I absolutely know nothing about it.
16:11And, you know, I don't get involved in the affairs of my children.
16:15I mean, they each have their ideas and so on.
16:18It's their ideas.
16:19I'm just the father.
16:20But on the other hand, you know, I saw the excitement it generated.
16:25And, you know, I took the trouble to go to the sports channel and watch a match.
16:31Yesterday, I think it was.
16:33Right.
16:34A recorded match.
16:35I just watched.
16:36And I couldn't, I haven't watched a soccer match for a long time.
16:39And I couldn't believe how this gigantic crowd and all swaying in the same.
16:50I mean, your first thought is, hey, if the match is coming to end, I'm going to head
16:58out quickly because how the hell do you get out of there, you know, when it's finished?
17:02And, yeah, but then I thought, it would be nice.
17:05Imagine you had something like that and you could sort of steer it.
17:09I started thinking, well, what are you actually buying?
17:12Are you buying the players or are you buying a football field?
17:15Well, you buy the club.
17:16They generate millions.
17:18But also, I mean, several of these clubs, they lose millions every year as a result of it.
17:22But it is.
17:23It's like a religion.
17:23If you go along there.
17:25Have you ever taken Elon to a sporting event?
17:29Oh, yes.
17:30So I've taken them to, yeah, to hockey matches, ice hockey and basketball in America.
17:39Right.
17:39Yeah.
17:39I don't recall taking them anywhere.
17:41It wasn't really much to go to here that I can think of that they would have taken an
17:45interest in.
17:46No, but they were very interested in those two.
17:48They were very interested in basketball.
17:49And it was the same.
17:51Although the basketball arena is vastly smaller, you know, or it's a large crowd, probably a
17:58couple of thousand people, but it's not that big.
18:00And what I remember particularly was how expensive it was to go to a basketball match.
18:06I mean, it was really expensive.
18:08It was about 50 pounds at the time.
18:12Now, I don't know what it is now.
18:13This was long ago when they were students, you know.
18:17I think they were students.
18:18Maybe a little after.
18:19But no, they were students.
18:21So if it was 50 pounds in the early 90s, I can't imagine what it is now to go to those
18:29matches.
18:29Absolutely.
18:30Horrendous amounts of money.
18:32I mean, things like baseball and all of the sports.
18:34I mean, so realistically, I mean, just put this in context.
18:38Elon's never told you he's going to invest in a sports team.
18:43You know, knowing my son as I do, both of them, I wouldn't be surprised.
18:48I wouldn't be surprised.
18:49Elon is attracted to things that people like.
18:54He's a people person.
18:56I mean, if he thinks people would like that kind of thing.
19:01I mean, he went to the Olympics and he made sure he was at the Olympics, both in Australia
19:06and then recently again.
19:08And so that puzzled me because, you know, it's quite a performance to go to another country
19:16and see a sports event.
19:17He was in Paris, was he, for the Olympics?
19:20Yes, yes.
19:21He went to Paris.
19:21I wouldn't myself.
19:24You know, if he invited me to see some hundred meters at the Olympics, I'd weigh up how long
19:29it's going to take me to get there and all that sort of stuff.
19:33And I'd make an excuse, you know, I'd say, you know, sorry, I have to do washing on that.
19:38But I think it was something that I'd say, no, I've got to wash the vehicles on that.
19:44They are glorious events.
19:46I had the joy of taking my family to Beijing in 2008.
19:50And we also had the British Olympics.
19:50Oh, so you were one of them.
19:51Yeah.
19:52Amazing.
19:53We had the British Olympics over here as well.
19:54I was involved with something called London House, where they basically do the transition
19:58from Beijing to London.
20:00I was helping them with videos and things, exciting stuff like that with the media side.
20:04But as always, Errol, it's been an absolute delight unpacking the truth.
20:09And as I say, never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
20:12That certainly seems to be the case with Liverpool.
20:13I can see all the connections.
20:15Fascinating, as always.
20:16But for now, Errol Moss, thank you very much for joining me.
20:19OK.