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00:00well hello and a very warm welcome back to the andrew eborn show with me andrew eborn and i'm
00:15delighted that a regular feature the ea the a and e or the accident and emergency or the andrew and
00:22errol show is back errol welcome back to the show thank you very much for joining me thank you thank
00:28you for asking me and you've been you've been traveling the world since i saw you last time
00:32how how's that been going yes i've been in dubai with the various shakes uh very fortunate to be
00:39invited by the government there and various shakes interviewed me i mean i was introduced i beg your
00:45pardon to meet various shakes and uh to the princesses and so on a very fruitful uh time there
00:52with many projects that we are looking at uh starting in in that part of the world yes
00:58i know fantastic and what i love i mean the musk influence around the world uh we've spoken about
01:05this beforehand and and elon in particular and it has never been more evident than in the last
01:11uh few uh weeks if you like um i want to look first of all at the us because it was almost that
01:18nightmare before christmas wasn't it and uh basically elon managed to influence congress
01:25with people on social media hailing him as president musk uh what's your take on all of that
01:30well you know that's not fair i mean uh it's president trump and it's not elon's fault that
01:36people do things like that that's the last thing elon would want you know i mean he's not elected and he
01:41doesn't expect to be addressed like that but i mean it's a mark of respect they're trying to show
01:45him that they they think of him highly i suppose but uh basically i don't that's the last thing elon
01:50would want and uh you know he's there to do a job and he's going to try and do it you know so there's
01:56no no uh glorification or whatever you call it there you know yeah yeah i think in in any event it's
02:03the tremendous influence and as i say we've spoken about this beforehand he apart from being the richest
02:08man in the world he's probably the most powerful at the moment isn't he well yeah you know not really i
02:13mean obviously still tech you know the politicians still rule the roost but um obviously it's very
02:19good that we've moved into a new type of dynamic where technical people are not being ignored
02:26anymore you know it was a strange thing in in my country as a young man when i learned that when i
02:33joined the public works department as a junior engineer many many years ago the the uh the the
02:39director of the department at the time the director general as they called him called me into his
02:44office you know and he he was very good to me and he said to me no that as an engineer you only rise
02:50to a certain level in the public works i he said i've only got one year of high school and i'm the
02:56director of the public director general of the public works so in other words the admin side rises to
03:02the top the engineers rise to only a level and yet the whole thing is about engineering so it's
03:07wrong you know so but it's nice to see the technical people getting a bit of a chance for
03:12a change because things will be much better you know much better you're absolutely right and this
03:17is all to do with his new position the uh in the doge in the dog the department of government efficiency
03:23uh he basically opposed this bipartisan spending deal to avoid uh the government shutdown um and his
03:30intervention was seen as a test run if you like uh for what the future is going to be like
03:34uh well what was your take on that just giving that again be what so it's basically it was seen
03:41as a test run but this is how he's going to operate in the future about controlling government
03:46efficiencies and so on and so forth and i saw that wonderful thing that he posted of half a
03:50rainforest of documents wasn't it which he whittled all the way down uh to something far more
03:55manageable you know uh you know i i was a city councillor you know and i was absolutely amazed
04:00you know in engineering documents are pretty thin you know generally speaking and they actually refer
04:05to a lot of the big things and then i when i years ago got into like the city council of pretoria
04:11i found every second day that or three times a week i'd go down to the desk that i was allotted
04:18in front of everyone and i had a pile in front of me about a foot high each time of of a form
04:24papers you know and that was what we had to go through it was silly and and of course
04:29technical people try to simplify things but you know at the end of the day it's the politicians who
04:35have a more difficult job what i learned in you know the sort of politics was that 90 percent or
04:41more than 90 percent of what you do is very humdrum it's not exciting at all it's not about world war
04:47three you know sending in forces and doing all that kind of stuff it's it's all humdrum it's about
04:54sighting toilets and cutting back curbs and things like that you know and uh painting outhouses you
05:02know and and stuff like that so it's really uh 95 percent of the time very extremely dull you know
05:09so in that respect you have to admire politicians because they sit with that 95 percent of the time
05:14and we think they're in there having a big old chat about you know serious stuff forget it that's
05:20all incredibly boring yeah absolutely and and do you think elon would have read that whole document
05:26or is he going to be getting people briefing him he he will help elon what i would would he would
05:33he have read that document himself that huge document or would he oh no no in this case yeah no no in
05:38this case he would have done speed reading he's very good at reading obviously and he would have
05:43read read the whole thing if he didn't do it he would have said he would have got five of his top
05:48guys and said peace for you peace for me peace for you peace for me and he would have said go through
05:53that thing my way if he couldn't do it you see 1500 pages i to read a 1500 page book takes me two weeks
06:01or something like that i mean unless you want to wind up with neck spraying eye spraying and everything you
06:08know and the nearsightedness afterwards no no uh so he would have had to do something but he did go he
06:14would have gone through that whole thing and and combed it out completely because it was obviously
06:18filled with rubbish and this technique that they've been using for years apparently as we've now i knew
06:24about it and it's now been highlighted again that they um the last time they did this they presented a
06:303000 plus page document two days or 19 hours before the close of congress for them to to decide on
06:40filled with um expenditure that they would have to approve for the most ridiculous things on earth
06:46and giving them no chance whatsoever to query anything i mean this is the height of maladministration
06:53the absolute height of maladministration and tells you that you're not being ruled by a
06:58an elected government you're being ruled by a bureaucracy yeah no you're you're absolutely
07:03right it's a it's a tactic that a lot of lawyers use as well you're if you're coming up you're going
07:08to get a bureaucracy yeah it's the unelected bureaucracy ruling the country and and that's
07:13probably happening in england that's probably happening here you know because at the end of the
07:18day the elected guys as i said you know that they they presented every second day with reams of
07:25stuff to look at which half the time nobody really should have to do that you should be able to decide
07:31on little things like that but anyway so i would imagine that elon has combed out probably two
07:36thirds of the expenditure and certainly he hasn't combed out relief to farmers would not have combed
07:43out relief to drug the drought uh i mean not drought victims flood victims he wouldn't have combed those
07:49things out that's the last thing that elon come up so this nonsense that he would have done
07:53something like that just nonsense you know it's just nonsense yeah yeah and that's what i love
07:58about this part of the the show is that it gives a chance to sort of unpack uh all the sort of
08:03separate the uh the fact from the fiction because the media love to distort things don't they and and
08:09we look at that sort of stuff and what one of the basic principles is that trump has refrained
08:14himself from publicly backing uh the government shutdown and allowing uh elon effectively to take the
08:19hit uh and the heat if you like um and this contrast with his first term where he directly
08:24embraced uh the shutdown threats do you think this is the role that elon's going to continue to play
08:29that he'll he's basically going to be this great political asset for trump well yes i mean obviously
08:36you know um you know it's not that elon is so bright or super bright or anything it's a way of
08:42thinking you know they've been have one particular way of thinking all this time and now um you know
08:49there's an opportunity to think in a different way and not be in trouble for doing it you know and in
08:54that respect elon is leading the way he's showing you can say no you can say no to to silly things you
09:01know and um and and and up till now many people are sort of you know afraid to do that what i discovered
09:08in the world of large corporations and also uh you know the government and of course and applies
09:14also to large banks and large corporations and places like that they start becoming like a civil
09:19service and really you're you go up in merit based on time that you've spent there and so forth
09:26and and and and if you do anything that goes on your record as having been wasted or or something
09:33wrong that you did you actually don't get promoted you get promoted for doing nothing and if you're a
09:40person who never did anything you're likely to wind up at the top if you if you're not on it and that's
09:46that's that's not right so now they're bringing a new type of thinking now as i said before elon
09:53is used to employing people that he selects from people he's already selected so it's probably a
09:59three level selection process to work for him and um that's not what you can't do that in the
10:06government the government as the prime minister of this country once pointed out to me has to include
10:10everyone they have to take everyone into account they can't say to somebody because you haven't had
10:15the good luck or whatever it is to complete your a levels or your gces or whatever it is that you
10:20can't get a job you can get a job with us and they give them jobs and you can't always expect them to
10:26be you know super geniuses unfortunately they this kind of thing not with those type of deal i would
10:32say but with a lot of these other people who don't as elon has pointed out don't even come to their
10:36office for a year they haven't been into the office government employees haven't been into office for a
10:40year and they're picking up a check every month this is wrong and and they um you could honestly say
10:47that the the efficiency of those departments is probably 10 if it is that and then um uh you know
10:55uh so what we'd be looking at with with government departments i would say you're not going to get
11:00your 90 efficiency like um um like elon's businesses you're going to get um 50 which would be great if
11:10you've got 50 efficiency great you know that would be great no yeah absolutely and i think it is it's
11:16something which we should look at around the world in the uk we could benefit from from that as well
11:20but um but trump is basically he's viewing elon as a sort of useful catalyst if you like uh and he sort
11:26of can be his attack dog for trump which sort of compares to um the previous situation when you had
11:32aids like steve bannon so it's more of a sort of logical strategical use of elon's skills yes well you
11:39know you see pen and those guys are political and they are fighting political fights uh elon is
11:45probably the worst politician you could ever get you know he would he would go in to to prime
11:52prime i would love to be a part of an mp in england it'd be great further than anyone's cap but i mean
11:58he'd be one of those guys who sits in the back bench for the next five years not and you don't even
12:04know what his voice sounds like because he's not that type you see to walk to the front and you know
12:09do the uh sort of oliver what what what's that famous british guy um oscar wilde you know something
12:17be so very or mark anthony he's not a mark anthony type so he would you know he put his foot in his
12:24mouth the first time no but he's quite good really because in technical world in the technical world
12:30you generally don't have much to say and elon would he used to say don't come to meetings that
12:34are scheduled in you know the various companies that he's had and it's just got if you've got
12:39nothing to say just don't come don't worry about it and um yeah so it's a different way of thinking
12:45really yeah so it's useful because you can cut through because having meetings for the sake of
12:52having meetings is is such a waste of time isn't it oh it's great for people who just love that kind of
12:58thing because you know it's just that takes up my afternoon and then i'm off you know off in my car
13:03back home and uh unfortunately when you've got schedules to meet and you are in the technical
13:08world and you have real schedules to meet meetings like that are disastrous you know and and a waste of
13:14time you can't do that and and you have so much stuff that you're not getting done no no meetings are
13:19for a certain type of operation and uh but when it comes to the nitty-gritty you really um
13:26want you know the one is like a situation in peace time you might say with an army or something and the
13:34other is in the technical world it's like an army that's actually at war there's no time to sit around
13:39you you're actually dealing with things all the time so yeah so no look we're seeing some a terrific
13:46new dynamic taking place and i imagine it will it will move to other countries and you know i even
13:52saw that there was the you could almost say that a little bit that fellow in argentina was the first
13:59one to to start the ball rolling you know as strange as it may seem argentina of all places
14:05was the one who he knocked off 350 000 uh state government positions in the last year or so two years
14:13and um and so on and and brought in technical advice and so on and so he really started the
14:18ball rolling and i was i was quite surprised to read that and and good luck to him i think that's
14:23wonderful yeah oh no absolutely and elon's spoken out about malay and uh just what wonderful work he's
14:28doing there yes i think it was mentioned yeah yes oh well it is interesting i mean the house democrats
14:35they say the gop caved uh to elon's uh in funding bill and protecting obviously elon's uh china
14:42interests um what's your take on that oh it's nonsense you know nonsense he doesn't need them
14:49i mean you know it's worth five you know officially worth 500 billion i think it's much more actually
14:55but let's say you know you've got 500 billion you know you're not really in need of anything you
14:59know you're not looking for a break anyway you know not looking for a bit of money that might come
15:05in if i do this or why if i do that i mean that's nonsense but um you know at the same time of course
15:10he does have ongoing problems every day that he has to deal with but no there's no nonsense about
15:16getting easy this or easy that he's already got fantastic relationship with china i mean how you
15:22know he put up a giga factory there in record time there's been you may have noticed no not a hint of
15:28problems from that factory whereas from the german factory there's been quite a few little problems
15:33and you know like in sweden now he's banned you know tesla's banned and all that sort of stuff
15:40you know because they don't allow unions and things i mean no no he's not looking for any special
15:46advantages he's really looking to get america out of the sort of direction that was being taken by
15:53really by a bunch of people who were selling government secrets for their own pocket money and
15:58and and uh doing terrible terrible things and uh this was obviously we're all seeing it now it's
16:05all coming out yeah no you're absolutely right well ted tesla i mean you're talking about china
16:09and so it's very important it's the only foreign automaker operating a wholly owned factory in china
16:14and it's recently expanded with a battery plant in shanghai as well and obviously he's planning to
16:19develop and sell ai technology in china and there was they've been raising concerns about us security
16:25and and as you were we also trying to look at this is that a fair risk uh assessment
16:30you know i think a lot of it is just hype a lot of it's hype at the end of the day china america
16:39anybody it's all really individual private businesses that are doing all these things the actual
16:44you know conglomerate is made of a lot of businesses and they are looking at tomorrow's uh you know
16:51turnover they're looking at how many seats are going to be filled in a cinema or a restaurant
16:56tonight and tomorrow they're not this is all about getting getting getting along and you know
17:03the the governments can't really throw too many spanners in the works because it affects them as
17:09well i mean very big big time it affects them so so people you know these things are brought up most
17:15of the time it's it's a fake or not fake so much as uh as some famous philosopher i think it was gk
17:22justin said most of the things we're terrified of happening you know 90 of them never happen or
17:28you know something to that effect you know so um you know uh it's really uh very important for
17:36for these different companies that are making their products across the world to have free access to
17:41these countries to not be hindered in the process it all benefits it benefits everyone it benefits
17:48the country like china as you say doesn't benefit china to come down with some sort of draconian
17:53communistic rule because they're going to help them so they you know you know the real problems are
18:00between people who have their own interests at state at in mind and and are in the process trying to
18:07throw spending the work you know to to to to to to dislocate their their their their competitors
18:13you know it's a very fair point it's it's always whenever somebody asks a question you've got to ask
18:19why are they asking that particular question what what what's in it for them and well one of the
18:24suggestions was that elon withheld starlink services over taiwan at the request of the chinese and
18:30russia no no no no no no no elon's not gonna sonic's a business it's not a political arm of
18:40anything it's a business and it's not only a business it's a business that is trying to get
18:46established it's not there already a lot of the hardware is there but getting the customers and the
18:52approvals from the different countries and the frequencies that you have to operate on settle uh these
18:58are are terrible uh hurdles that have to be overcome and so um not terrible i'm sorry that's not the
19:06right word but these are quite high hurdles that they have to get past and and everybody there's no
19:12one there sitting down and saying oh let's you know have a good day at the office and do nothing today
19:17no no they they're all on their feet all the time and i'm also one of i'm also involved in a company
19:24that is applied for the use of starlink in african countries and um speaking to the people of
19:29starlink you know the we i we didn't get response to one or two of our letters so i wrote to them i
19:35don't use my name or anything i just uh wrote to them in my privacy saying if you manage to look at
19:40our uh application itself and the man said to me look i've got a thousand applications on my desk
19:45right now you know a thousand on his desk in front of him i said oh no i've got i've got the picture
19:50and he said he said i'm getting to yours i've got a thousand on my desk right now and so you know
19:56you have to realize what we're you know that's real that's the real world yeah and i think again
20:02that that's what i love about this we can we can put things into perspective if people stop and think
20:07about the reality of the situation and obviously we've talked about the expansion of starlink and
20:12so on and so forth but it's not just the politicians who are weighing in on this stephen king
20:16uh has in the last few hours he's expressed concern over the growing influence of donald trump
20:22and on donald trump of elon and he said again he said look whilst uh elon can't be president
20:28she's with south african birth he seems to be running the show um is that uh do people take any any notice
20:35of people like stephen king no no that's rubbish that's rubbish no no it's just they're getting their
20:43two cents worth you know that's all i mean they're just getting their two cents worth i mean if they
20:48can sort of put a spanner in the way of donald trump then they'll say that you know uh stephen king
20:55first of all i've he has done a couple of things that were fascinating a couple of things that i saw
21:00uh movies that he did that he was on his writings but generally speaking i find his stuff somewhat
21:06simple and not particularly deep anything like that and so let him stick to that and we'll stick
21:12to what we yeah yeah it is incredible so i i think this is the thing is that it's been effective that
21:20the negotiating tactic has worked i think that is sort of indicative of what's going to happen in the
21:26future and and it shows just how what a powerful role elon's going to play in the future of of the
21:32next trump presidency well yes i mean clearly you know when anything new starts we you you might
21:40see a new i think i love high jump for example you know you know at the olympic level i love it it's
21:46what i watch a great deal and uh so i tried it once you know and uh it's extremely difficult and
21:52and you you see a newcomer and you know this is a really great newcomer could be a man could be a
21:59woman but you know it's going to take two or three years before they actually become the the front
22:06runner you know what i mean and you watch their progress as you as they go you know what i mean
22:11and they get to that point where everybody acknowledges them as the as the top the top person
22:16but you you if you've been watching that if you're particularly into that kind of sport or whatever it
22:22might be you you know how it started so it wasn't so easy to start and you watch the slow progress
22:28as they go so elon in a way he's now got into this and so one is to watch his progress he is after all
22:35an individual he's also entitled to be a political person um and you watch whether he will go that way
22:42or back to tech or what he might do uh in life you know and and as one might watch the the uh career of a
22:52of a sportsman if you know what i mean or like a sportswoman doing high jump and um and so yeah he
22:58will if i were to predict anything i would say there's a very good chance that he will uh rise to
23:08considerable heights in um in america now here's this uh thing that he wasn't born in america his
23:14grandfather his his uh his grandfather uh may his mother's father was born in minnesota uh in a in
23:23in in terms of english uh uh you know sort of law and stuff as as my mother was born in england and
23:31and my father i can get a british passport and and so he should in a way be able to you know his mother
23:39could have got an american passport through her father if it was like that in america and then
23:44he could have got an american passport i don't know if that qualifies him to he wasn't born there so
23:49this is that kind of issue and i don't believe in fact i don't believe obama obama was born in uh
23:55there's a lot of evidence strong evidence to to show that obama was born in kenya but they wanted a
24:01black or a colored uh president so much that they they overlooked that and um fair enough i don't mind
24:08it's not gonna break anybody's bones or anything and so fine i'm not unhappy with them choosing a
24:14bomber like that so it's great i don't see i mean it's the right man for the job then you do it i mean
24:20why would you not so in due course he may be fortunate enough to to stand you know in 32 or
24:2936 or something he might be able to they might give it break change things a little bit for him and
24:35he may be able to stand for that i think he would be a very good president but he would have to change
24:40his his approach he'd have to be much develop a lot more you know empathy the the politicians
24:46obviously aware of their who they who their electorate is are aware that it it's it's a little
24:53old so-and-so is a dustbin collector and there's a little old lady so-and-so is a pensioner
24:58you know they're not all like super you know people who who you know that he that he's that
25:04he's being elected by so that's something a person in in government has to learn if you elected to a
25:10political post uh the people who elect to are very ordinary you know very down-to-earth ordinary
25:15people that's who you're representing you're not representing um people from the the super levels of
25:22vice president or something like that you know yeah no it's a very do you think elon would like
25:26to be president if he were allowed to be would he like it or would he what would he like to be
25:32president no i think at this stage it's a wrong thing to even suggest that suggesting something like
25:38that is to is to somehow uh disable or not enable or create some situation for trump where he's now
25:47uh being accused of not really being the president well that's not true trump is a very great leader
25:52and i can assure you that knowing my son he will quite uh definitely be very um i would say obedient
26:01that's not the right word but he'll certainly do what trump tells him to do he's not the type of
26:05person who would try and he's a team player he's not somebody who would try and rock the boat in any
26:09way and he would uh any all these rumors that he's this or that that's just people trying to cause
26:15trouble if you don't know what i mean and sometimes i'm what you're suggesting here
26:20maybe sometime in the future uh yes if the situations were to allow it would he be interested
26:25sometime in the future well yes i mean if you look at my in my time when i worked as a consulting
26:32engineer i i worked with and property developer i worked with some of the biggest property developers
26:37you can get and i these were people that i i was often told by them they must i must call them by
26:43first name they're often 20 or more years older than me i never did i never ever did that i always
26:49refer to them mr so and so mr so and so and i just didn't want to create a situation because at times
26:56i did take the lead in some of the business situations and i and often i would not want to
27:02step in front of uh the uh people that i that had actually put me there in the first place
27:08and and and and and and you know i was always quite sure that i didn't create any sort of
27:15embarrassment for somebody who'd actually put me there in the first place was meant to be my senior
27:19and so i you know exactly the same he'll never do put put uh do anything to to to to sort of put
27:29himself he's not like that in any case so put himself in front of trump he would always ask
27:34recently i was asked by a company uh for something for elon to do and i owe the egyptian uh
27:41government in fact asked me if i could have elon i spoke on egyptian television of uh a couple of
27:49weeks ago and it was a big show and they asked me afterwards if they if i would be able to ask if
27:55they could pose a few questions to elon uh in a sort of taped version he could just answer and they
28:00would like to put them out you know and i said you do understand that he works for the british the
28:05american government now and he has to um he would have to ask djt he can't just go and do that he has
28:13to ask don john trump whether he can do that and trump would say yes or he'd say no so you couldn't just go
28:21and do that when she's in that situation that he's in his staff he's now part of a team yes and the
28:27captain speaks and then and you operate then you then you go you know that's the way it works yeah
28:32and it's so important to do that and people always assume and i'm sure he gets inundated with business
28:37proposals and requests for interviews and so on and so forth you talk about a thousand applications for
28:42for the starlink side he must get tens of thousands of requests every single day
28:47yes of course but you know he's not a uh he's not careless so if you get him on a interview you
29:00know you're gonna get a lot of as people have quite often noted i've seen people notice that he's somewhat
29:06curt in his replies it's either yes or no which leaves the interviewer somewhat stranded at times
29:13you know because uh i saw you know the one interview that stands out quite a lot is the
29:19one with don lemon or lemon or whatever his name is you know where he he actually brought cards with
29:25questions that he was elon agreed to a friendly interview which he normally wouldn't do but he
29:31did it for this chap i think it was generally the idea was that this guy was going to go on to x and
29:35become a uh sort of anchor for x you know yes and this chap came on and came up with really
29:42questions aimed at the embarrassing elon and he came short he came very short and as you know as
29:48you were asked these long questions elon would just answer the question by saying no and so
29:54no it's the perfect response and and we've often spoken about this errol i think it's so wrong just
30:01to try and catch people out what what i love about this is we we will always we never have to say well
30:05that's all the time we've got now you will always make sure that it's everything's properly
30:09represented and uh there's there's a platform for people to put the record straight
30:13yes yes yes of course no um no you know you know let's get real here with elon i mean he's not
30:21superman you know he's not he's not the most perfect uh orator you know it may come it may come
30:27at this stage i think a lot of the time much like myself you know especially years ago you try to avoid
30:34saying too much for fear of saying the wrong thing you know and um you know whereas there are other
30:39people who've just got the gift of the gab i don't know if you've heard that expression before
30:43i've heard it many times absolutely
30:47yeah we didn't have the gift of the gab and uh kimball my youngest son we were as a matter of fact
30:56when we were in dubai it's rather interesting you know we were obviously we were invited to find a
31:01shake of dubai to a luncheon this was about two fridays ago and uh the lunch was actually i was
31:08i guess i wanna i was quite surprised because in fact i sat next to the uh president of kuwait
31:14uh in fact and and the shake of of abu dhabi you see and there was about 200 people at the lunch
31:21i mean food was presented for 200 people and by you know in the palace was you know made the grounds
31:27buckingham palace look like like a postage then and um anyway so i went to this lunch and uh who
31:34should walk in at the bottom of the at the end during the seating uh when we're already already
31:40seated you know this is one of those things when the shake gets up you get up when he sits down you
31:44sit down and all that sort of stuff and um who should walk in at the bottom of it my son kimball
31:49out of the blue and he was given an invitation by one of the shakes i don't know adjutants or
31:58something and he happened to be in qatar so he was in his own jet and he came over for the lunch
32:04which is quite you know and and i was surprised out of my mind i couldn't believe it and and i got
32:10up straight which is not what you're supposed to do everybody was seated now i just jumped up and
32:14rushed across the the huge uh thing and said kimball kimball you know and um and i'm trying
32:21to remember why i said that but oh yes kimball he's he's very good he's got he's got the gift
32:25to the gab you know he everybody leaves with him saying you know oh i you know my day is made you
32:31know after you've spent i've got a new friend for life you know you mean kimball he convinces everybody
32:37that they're a friend for life so he's really good at that oh fantastic well it was a lovely surprise
32:43because obviously they kept that secret for me you you sent me a little message saying surprise
32:47surprise kimball's just turned up it was really weird the whole lunch the check was incredibly good
32:53to me to go good to us you know and uh he uh we the two of us became a sort of the you know way we
33:01were almost certainly after lunch we were like the center of attraction to all the diplomats there
33:07were the people there were quite extraordinary i mean they were like all the top people from
33:12everywhere you could imagine you know and uh all coming to us and offering us their cards and
33:17you know and offering us dinner and lunch and visits to their country and and uh and and so
33:23forth you know uh i think i agreed without even knowing that i agreed i agreed to a visit to delhi
33:30to be a guest of the government in delhi you know i think i did wonderful and um
33:35yeah but you know you know they just came at us with all these things but the two of us had a very
33:42good time and um you know the real point i'm making though is uh kimball is a great um talker uh and and
33:50can make people feel comfortable you know and as you say i know you're about six foot something six
33:59five or something there you go and uh elon is like six foot four something six foot three kimball's six
34:05foot five by the way there you go well i know we'll get us all together with that sort of height thing
34:10we could we could be looking forward to that i mean bigness is is important i wish i was that i'm six
34:15one i'd love to be taller but i'm not and um anyway but he i'd introduce you and elon and no
34:21doubt you'd come to me afterwards and say elon doesn't like me
34:25then i'd come to you and say i'd go to elon and say andrew doesn't think you like him and
34:33elon would go oh no no no no you know show me to andrew you know it's just his way you know
34:41you said you said that before and we've spoken very openly he's spoken very openly about autism
34:45and uh so on and so forth that's just the way that he reacts yes it's not it's i think he tries
34:52and and actually i'm i'm a little embarrassed when he does try because he he it's obvious he's trying
34:59and then it doesn't work too well you know he sort of puts on a bit too much you know yeah he's trying
35:05it's so important to understand where he's coming from on that sort of basis one one final thought for
35:09this episode just as we look at america one of the suggestions from a number of sources marjorie
35:15taylor green suggested that elon might be an alternative for the speaker of the house
35:19what's your views on that yes look i mean it's a brilliant thought again we come back to being
35:25speaker of the house you know elon is a yes no man you know so um he would be very i have no doubt
35:33that he would do it very well you know he's the kind of person who would stick to basic rules
35:37there would be no uh he wouldn't have any leeway so that's a bit of a problem and and uh but on the
35:43other hand um you know elon is seriously not a nonsense person nonsense he would he'd call it
35:52out immediately and sometimes in life you have to you know sort of go along with a bit of nonsense
35:57if you've got any wisdom to you you have to sometimes you know just let the nonsense go a little
36:03but don't be too cruel on people and um and uh you know elon unfortunately is not not like that he'd
36:09probably say when they brought up saying that's nonsense next thing you know you know that's nonsense
36:17yeah next thing and it's a good it's a good skill to have and he's he always sort of leaves it sort
36:24of hanging so he might be tempted but i think i think uh uh trump was basically saying well he's
36:29probably he's too busy he's gonna be too busy sending people to mars you what i think trump
36:36was saying elon's gonna be too busy on other matters including sending people to mars look
36:41elon's main main tasks are remain there's no there's no falling back on the main tasks i mean
36:47i was of the opinion that tesla shares because of the innovations that they brought up in the last
36:52three months i thought three months ago tesla would start shooting up and i was quite surprised that it
36:57didn't but there were a lot of shorters and so perhaps that had something to do with it and i
37:02believe uh bull gage shorted himself so much on tesla that he could lose up to 50 billion dollars
37:08and the shares and sales have dipped a little bit because of a political alliance as they say in the
37:15uk and so on and so forth but we've discussed this before and the tesla shares uh significantly
37:20undervalued and as you say it could be the very exciting company
37:23yes i mean so so in any case so tesla is um has now started to show its strength and so it probably
37:34elon was saying he thinks that the share will top out at about 650 dollars a share and um so that's
37:42very important at the moment it's running at somewhere about 445 dollars a share somewhere there
37:47and uh this is extraordinary growth in such a short time the point that i'm making is that elon hasn't
37:53got uh time to go be the speaker of the house yeah you know i think that that's absolutely key
37:59nothing that happens at tesla that he doesn't know about all of spaces he knows every employee
38:05by name yeah it's a phenomenal thing well errol always a pleasure to have you on the show when you
38:10next come back we're going to talk about the developments in the uk uh but for now errol musk thank
38:16you very much for joining me okay thank you
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