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00:00well hello and a warm welcome back to the andrew eborn show with me andrew eborn i'm
00:12delighted to be joined by george samueli lawrence fox and errol musk how are you gentlemen
00:18well only a few days left before the 2024 us election um kamala harris and donald trump
00:28they're nearly tired according to the polls i know uh you would dispute all of that errol every time
00:33we talk uh that elon has been out on the road uh with uh with his new best buddy uh donald trump
00:41madison square gardens what was your take on that errol well i mean that's a terrific place i was
00:48in madison square garden uh eight weeks ago oddly enough and uh yeah no it's a it's the place to be
00:57uh it's a great great uh amphitheater or theater and um yeah it's great um i'm sure it'll be a
01:04wonderful uh talk i mean he's he's up against it there you know the the new yorkers but you know
01:10let's see what happens yeah well one of the interesting things i mean you're you're saying
01:13about elon and his uh uh newfound oratory skills if you like i think the first time he went out
01:19uh with trump you you were giving him a few tips how do you think he performed this time
01:23well you know it's very good if he if he doesn't look prepared and he certainly didn't look prepared
01:29the last time which makes it much more honest you know so if uh someone comes out and uh rattles off
01:35uh you know something and looks you straight in the eye they've obviously memorized it and
01:40that's not such a good thing you know because people are very very uh people are extremely smart
01:47and they can pick up you know a fraud or something when they when they see it so yeah no i prefer it
01:53if he if he just is himself and uh it does of course help to prepare a little bit i mean i've actually
02:00said you know don't ever go on air without actually preparing you know and uh in fact i'm doing the
02:06opposite of that these days i'm just going on here you know as a wise well well let me bring
02:12lawrence in here i mean you've been following the the u.s election so far um according to the polls
02:18cbs uh they basically still put uh kamala harris ahead by one point i don't know how that happens
02:23but she's leading amongst women while trump has more support amongst men who view him as a strong
02:29leader what's your take on it lawrence i don't think the polls are um i don't think the polls are
02:35indicative at all of what is going on um they i think they know the dems know they've lost it so
02:41that they um what they do is they try and keep the polls as close as possible to help with the
02:46should they go for the steal again um but i think i've been talking to people about this recently i
02:53think you can openly and brazenly lie to someone once really and get away with it you can lie to them
02:59once but i don't even get away with it twice and um those the you know the mega americans who
03:05aren't they're not republicans or democrats they're just people who want america to be great again
03:09really those people have been quiet for the last four years and um i don't think they'll put up with
03:16it again and you know if you're looking at the the betting odds which are probably a better way of
03:22going because people actually got money on it uh it's it's a proper uh it's a proper landslide for
03:27trump so i would expect nothing more than the landslide but you know what will happen they'll
03:31announce the result 12 days after the election itself and uh miraculously a few tens of thousands
03:38of votes will appear in very crucial swing state counties and you can guarantee that that will run
03:43and run in the press what's your take on it george no i i kind of agree with everything that's uh
03:49been said uh the polls are clearly not indicative that this is a close election i mean because you have
03:56to compare uh where the polls were in 2016 and in 2020 both times they had um hillary clinton and joe
04:05biden very comfortably ahead of trump both in the battleground states and uh nationally and yet you
04:13know in both cases the election was extremely close it really was just settled by a few tens of thousands of
04:19votes so the the given this that now the polls showing its neck and neck then you have to say
04:27that harris is something like seven or eight points behind where hillary clinton and joe biden were
04:35so seven or eight points now the pollsters will say yeah well we made mistakes then in 2016 2020 but
04:40we're not making those mistakes now but that doesn't make any sense because even if you know one or two
04:46pollsters may have made uh you know rectifications their methods and then are not making the same
04:52mistakes they can't all be suddenly oh we we now all know exactly what we're doing there's still the
04:57same problem which is to find the trump voter the elusive trump voter which they failed to record
05:04uh previous times so i think given that harris i think is seven or eight points behind where
05:09hillary clinton and uh joe biden where i would expect that um this will be a comfortable victory
05:16for trump but then of course lawrence is right what what happens then um if if this counting goes on
05:24and on and they say oh yeah we've got all these uh mail-in votes to count and then we got all you know
05:29everywhere else and people are still sending in their ballots on election day that's when it gets
05:36interesting you know whether they're going to see you know are they going to try to find you know
05:41500 600 700 000 votes from somewhere which is what they did in 2020 so you know it it could still go
05:49the other way yeah no yeah it is interesting and undoubtedly uh it will become an issue and uh
05:55undoubtedly trump won't let it rest if uh if he doesn't win because it seems very clear and elon's
06:02done his own poll hasn't he errol yes well look um if you look at uh the actual polls taken by people
06:13like elon in the u.s the voting is about 80 for trump and uh 20 or less than 20 about 15 for the woman
06:26and then five percent undecided so that's the reality that we deal we have there what we're
06:33dealing with here is a group of people that have no sense of shame and this is the other side the
06:41the people i consider to be another species they're useless at everything and they therefore vote in a
06:48way that somehow helps their group they're not interested in you know like some famous philosopher said
06:56they'll if they they'll reduce their country to ashes as long as they can you know come out of it
07:02with a little bit in their pocket and uh they'll be all right and perhaps rule over it the ashes so
07:09uh it's a sad situation and the last election you know simply from the point of view that i'm not
07:16you know stupid and i could see there's something wrong with the last election i actually remember the
07:22last election uh and you know went to bed uh that evening uh 11 o'clock ish quite confident that uh
07:30trump had won the election you know so i was absolutely amazed when i woke up the next day and
07:34saw that uh biden had won the election because in all the uh voting that i saw trump was way ahead on
07:41everything so it was just the biggest shock and then of course we discovered that all of a sudden
07:47hundreds of thousands of votes came in at one o'clock in the morning from trucks that pulled
07:52in so it's reasonable to assume that these people who have no shame who have no sense of shame
07:57uh will do the same thing again as i say they don't care what happens to their country in fact if if
08:03their country goes to ashes they're the sort of first people will be on a plane out of there
08:06you know to some other place to go and ruin another place so uh yeah it's a very bad situation that we
08:13have in the world at the moment because this uh form of uh democracy that we've got is is is is i
08:20wouldn't say easy to manipulate but they are manipulating it in ways that um uh you know are
08:26completely wrong and i might just tell you that as a city councillor i once uh in my third election
08:31on the city council of betoria i was up against the management committee chairman and um we had an
08:37election it's a small numbers in those sort of things uh i had six thousand and fifty four votes
08:42and he had six thousand votes and uh they demanded a recount and they got a recount and the recount
08:48gave him 656 votes and me 654 votes so they promptly pumped in 50 votes somewhere and and uh we all knew
08:58it we all knew it had been done and we couldn't do anything about it we didn't we didn't know what
09:03to do about it we tried we we just couldn't it's just what people do it's it's it's just the the
09:10weaknesses of of this particular system i'd say yeah well what's interesting we spoke about this
09:15on a previous uh uh program that elon's poll sample is actually about six million people isn't it
09:22yes he pulled six million people 77 percent voted for trump about 17 percent for uh camilla harris and
09:31the rest were undecided or something to that effect but yeah you know it was it was pretty obvious
09:36you know what the uh what the you know what the situation is but it's the same there you know
09:41my family live over there so they tell me you know everybody's voting for trump so they don't know
09:46anybody who's voting for this woman so uh you know that's that tells you right away what should
09:51happen but as again these people as the other general was saying they don't really care that they'll
09:58find ways and keep on counting and find something that they under a box or something that they said
10:04wasn't counted before and you know in the last election we saw they were counting they were
10:09running votes through twice you know and things like that it's very sad when the people that are
10:14doing the counting are actually on the on the side of i would call the bad people so uh unfortunately
10:21that's seems to be the thing i just hope that this time people have been engaged to actors you know
10:30actually good invigilators or whatever you call it when they do the uh voting you know that's what's
10:37needed you know to see and they should have guards at the gates said when trucks come into one o'clock
10:42in the morning full of votes uh you know uh they can stop them and see what's going on you know
10:48certainly as laurence says the world's going to be looking at this sort of stuff the other thing
10:51which has happened it's all become very personal in the last few days whilst people talked about
10:55immigration economic issues particularly about harris and so on and so forth uh and they had
11:02how about a comedian's uh offensive joke uh they were all complaining about that sort of stuff uh
11:06tony hinchcliffe he said there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right
11:12now it's called puerto rico and of course all the press have sort of launched onto that uh what's
11:16your take on that laurence and obviously the the mudsling that's going on now well i think again it's
11:23it's indicative of it's indicative of the uh of the fact that they are they know that they're going
11:29to lose because you know it's all that they're calling him calling trump hitler and all of this
11:34sort of stuff and um that's just trump's walking around looking like he's he knows he's won i think
11:41people know he's won already she she cannot she has no inner life whatsoever on harris there's just
11:49nothing going on inside of her soul so she she's used to just having people offer her the question
11:56and the answer at the same time so the minute she has to say anything meaningful she comes out with
12:01these really disconnected disjointed soundbites that make no sense and um you know she's she's just
12:08there's nothing there it's the result actually of of how utterly stupid it was for biden to say i'm
12:13going to have a black female vice president because you you're you're you're you're cutting
12:18yourself down to about three and a bit percentage of the population and you haven't you're not picking
12:23from the widest talent bracket so all of this diversity and inclusion stuff is now coming home
12:28to roost because the democrats have got a lame duck candidate and no matter how much preparation
12:33they can do she's all right at reading off a teleprompter she sounds okay but she she's she makes
12:38biden look i i sort of think nostalgically back about biden and his sort of mental acuity
12:44yeah i know you're absolutely right and i think that was the thing that trump may have been kicking
12:49himself about originally is that uh biden performed so appallingly in that first debate they delayed that
12:55for a little bit longer uh that they wouldn't have had a chance to to replace him what's your take on
13:00that george well what you said andrew is absolutely right it was a huge mistake on the trump campaign's
13:07path um because it was they essentially set a trap for him saying oh yeah let's have a debate
13:13in june now that's unheard of uh for campaigns to have debates before either party has uh has
13:21nominated um its candidate and they did it deliberately because they said they would have
13:27that debate in june and then uh you know the all the democrats immediately pounced on um biden and uh
13:34and it was done i mean you know if the trump campaign had said no well let's you know once
13:39the uh the conventions are over then we can have our debate then that's it the democrats would have
13:44been locked in uh with biden however um i think that she's a weaker candidate than biden because
13:51biden at least he's been around for many years and he has forged a bond however fraudulent that he's
13:58somehow lunch bucket joe he's the working man's friend and everything i mean no the guy's in
14:03delaware you know he's the corporate's friend you know that's it's it's where corporations register
14:07so he's always been the friend of the corporations but you know he's been very skillful of presenting
14:13himself as the the friend of the working man um but yeah i mean absolutely they're doing the same
14:20thing to trump which they've done before that they did this in 2016 they did this in 2020
14:24hitler hitler hitler nazi nazi nazi you know that all of that all of these insults they're already
14:32baked in people already know this about trump you know so that's really been the problem with the
14:37harris campaign she launches attack after attack on him she's unable to talk about anything as to what
14:43she's going to do she's just simply talking oh what about trump oh what about trump is well if you've
14:49got nothing to say for yourself then that's it no one's going to vote for you all these accusations
14:54leveling a trump they've been leveled a million times before uh you know by by more formidable
15:00candidates such as uh hillary clinton so that's why this whole thing this kind of october surprise
15:06of the last few days in which all these generals have come forward and said yeah yeah yeah he's hitler
15:12he he's he's expressed his admiration for hitler even though there's no record of trump ever having
15:18expressed any admiration for hitler or the nazis or fascists yeah yeah he said in my company that
15:23he really likes hitler this this is just so so pathetic it's it's just not not going to uh
15:30do anything for them and this is this is your your your last best shot so yeah i i think they're
15:37really that it was interesting i was down in can at the tv festival and we had um one of the writers
15:44the deputy editor of uh uh variety and they were saying that actually trump made all his money and and
15:49created effectively by mark uh burnett who was the uh uh the person who created the apprentice
15:55and trump was originally apparently going to run against obama but nbc offered him so many millions
16:02that it didn't make sense in that particular side uh which is interesting uh what i love about having
16:07error on the show as well it gives an opportunity to dispel some of the misinformation which is put out
16:13about elon and elon's been in the sights of the media at the moment um and biden himself has said
16:20he's focused on uh immigration for once and said that elon must worked in the u.s illegally in 1995
16:26after quitting school uh what's the truth errol well you know he was a student at wharton business school
16:34and as a student he was allowed to work during vacations uh it's a an allowance that they give
16:41students it was given to all my children who studied there so they are the the authorities
16:49then and now i think so uh realize that foreign students you know can't just sit on their you know
16:57haunters during the vacation which is very long they they're allowed to to do certain work
17:03and they're allowed to work for certain places and i think they have to get a sort of an approval i'm
17:08sure elon would have done that and um apart from that you know elon's grandfather was born in the
17:12united states so uh you know from the point of your lineage i mean lineage he's uh his grandfather
17:19on his mother's side was uh was an american-born citizen so you know he's not that far removed from
17:25being uh you know uh an american and um so he you know he wouldn't have been able to work for anyone
17:32unless he had the as it has been with my other children unless he has the required uh you know
17:38sort of whatever the l1n1 paper or something like that is you have to have that if you're a foreign
17:45student you know so i i think it's just nonsense and if he did do that it would be for a very short
17:50time um you know until he was able to throw the dirt around and obviously elon's come front and
17:56center uh with this what i call the yes they said he's in league with putin he's phoning putin all
18:01the time and stuff and i was going to mention that as well because nasa chief they've called for an
18:07investigation into reports that musk and putin speak yes you know um it's rubbish i mean uh
18:14elon speaks he has to in his position that he's in um he has to speak to the heads of state of all
18:19the countries and uh in 90 of cases the request to speak to the heads of state to the head of state
18:26comes from the head of state uh you know because they are like your country uh england and everything
18:33they want to get um some of the the new uh type of factories and stuff built in their country they
18:42they all want to to have that and so they they they're all hoping for elon's favor in that regard
18:48so uh if if one has to consider that i do know that turkey's president was you know went to great
18:57lengths to try and entice uh you know i think maybe even successfully because i'm not sure what
19:02will happen to build the next giga factory in turkey uh for tesla and um you know so he could
19:10he's far more likely more it's far more you know likely to say he's in league with the turkish
19:17president than with putin you know but um they will obviously use anything they can this is what
19:24they're saying it's a national security risk because they're uh basically uh the spacex
19:28relationship with nasa and the u.s military that uh any discussions with a potential foreign enemy is
19:34is a security risk what what's your take on that me yeah errol yes well you know i mean it's it's
19:42rubbish i mean russia today is probably one of the more stable countries in the world um you know
19:48um that they seem to be right out of all this masses of illegal immigration and and uh transgenderism
19:57and and uh you know uh sex changes and all that sort of stuff they seem to be getting on quite well
20:03and um you know i think they actually really represent the enemy that america needs to uh you know or
20:14the west needs maybe as well to to warrant uh taxation on on the west people for sending of weapons and or
20:25or or or arming the or paying or buying from the you know the um uh in the um new what is it called
20:33the uh industrial military complex going you know so i mean there's no russia then what's the point of
20:39having the industrial military complex anymore and um so you know i i quite distinctly heard um the head
20:47of the republican side of uh although i don't think he's much of a republican um mitch mcclein connell say
20:53on one occasion that there's people shouldn't he actually said this so i heard him said people
20:59shouldn't be so concerned about sending money to ukraine because it all goes to ukraine uh and
21:04comes back to us in the form of purchases for our weapons yeah interesting point uh a minute each
21:10from from each of you then um although i probably know the answer to this uh november the 5th um who
21:16should people vote for and why lawrence i think that um it's elon's interjection in this election
21:25has been very interesting because you know you put a lot on the line if you're a businessman to
21:29to choose a side when you're selling your products to the whole of a nation so he obviously has sensed
21:37as i think a lot of people have sensed that if they if they don't win that the democrats are going
21:43to stack the supreme court bring in two new states in puerto rico and dc and and the filibuster and
21:49that's the end that you'll never see a republican uh ever back in power it'll be a one-party state so
21:54he knows that and he knows democracy is finished because one party state is democracy and i think
21:59you know from someone who came from probably more to the left than me but believed in the foundational
22:04principles of free speech the the fact that the harris campaign want to shut down free speech and
22:10are involved in all the demonic stuff to do with the mutilation of children and the removal of first
22:14and second amendment rights i think if you don't that trump will have to win because if trump doesn't
22:20win then america the america last 200 and however many years america's been alive will just be a blip
22:26in the great success of communism okay thank you uh george no i think uh any any sensible person would
22:34have to vote for uh trump i mean i think if you want the wars in the middle east and in ukraine uh to
22:42come to an end uh anytime soon i think trump is the only hope uh for that i think um harris will
22:49unquestionably just continue with the uh biden policy and probably even escalate uh both wars and
22:56and i think even from the point of view of the american national character and american history and
23:01american future i think trump is the only hope because without trump i think you're really going
23:06to have wokeism throughout uh american governments throughout um uh american society um you will have
23:15really serious um uh repression of free speech as we were we already had and the courts have ruled on
23:22that and the supreme court did not overturn any of that they just did the usual thing of oh they had
23:26no standing but the courts have ruled that this was an attack on free speech and what happens in the
23:32united states always spreads to the to the rest of the world and the europeans are going to imitate
23:38everything that happens in the in a kind of harris uh waltz america so there'll be a really serious
23:45uh implications for free speech uh throughout europe and the uk so i don't think it's really it's not a
23:52close call i think you know whatever trump's flaws i mean we all know trump's flaws it this really is a
23:57pretty obvious one who should uh you should vote okay finally errol well you know i think uh harris is
24:04not actually going to do anything as president assuming this happens uh she's just a figurehead you
24:10know just a just a figurehead i mean or not even a figurehead it's a puppet president uh i think
24:18her her life that she envisages is one of parties and running around laughing and having a good time
24:25the all the decisions will not be made by her it will be made by a cabal of people that we probably
24:31don't really know who that who those people are we have a vague idea who they are but it certainly
24:37won't be her making any decision any decisions at all uh that when they vote for uh if if people vote
24:44this for kamala harris say voting for this hidden cabal uh that is uh aiming at uh introducing uh
24:52perhaps another 30 million um people from the third world into the united states uh who have some
24:59reasons that are very hard to understand great desire to not have this uh you might say um
25:09great european offshoot nation uh to carry on the way it has they wanted to become a uh you know a
25:19sort of a basket case and i i why they want that is very difficult for me to understand okay uh thank
25:26you gentlemen all very much for joining me uh on this uh george chamuilly uh lawrence fox and errol musk
25:32uh but for now um it's goodbye from me and i'll see you next time bye
25:36bye