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00:00and i still maintain that sormish won't see the end of february and the the the the the
00:11backlash against stormer is is is astronomic it's so huge the only place that's actually says
00:18anything good about storm is the bbc and even they are having a hard time you know because
00:23half the things they say are so muddled you can't make out what they're saying and so uh you know um
00:30no no uh the trump uh um you know victory and and and approach and the idea that we need
00:38practicality in government and and we need to trim government apartments and so on
00:43you know no that's taking root everywhere everywhere and i know you're absolutely right
00:47i mean the issues are it is the biggest issue of our time is immigration and so on and so forth
00:52as well as the economy and so and elon's message if you like is applying to so many different
00:57countries around the world which is why his influence is is so powerful and he tweeted in
01:02the last few hours saying look uh um x is the most trusted news platform now um and i mentioned about
01:09the uk i mean in 2012 elon just completed a business trip to london and oxford and and he
01:14tweeted i just returned i met with many interesting people and he tweeted i really like britain that was
01:20in 2012 fast forward to 2024 um his views are a little different he says civil war is inevitable
01:27britain is going full starlin and the people of britain have had enough of a tyrannical police
01:31state um changing relationship you say it's a lot to do with starmer um what do you think the current
01:38situation is because they've just appointed this peter mandelson do you do you know him he was one of the
01:43tony blair uh people he's he's a heavyweight politician um do you think the relationship
01:48might improve now that uh he's in his position well you know uh the things that the uh some of people
01:56have said about the uh trump people is a bit heavy you know i mean you can't really uh say uh i can't go
02:04about saying that uh you know somebody like yourself is this this and this and that and this and that
02:09it was out expecting you at least as another man to to find me in the street and and grab me by my
02:17collars and and lift me up and say i want to meet you behind the building you know or something like
02:23that and certainly in the past would be worse than that so no i think they've got a really big problem
02:27this uh slama crowd when it comes to dealing with america i don't think uh it's possible to for them to
02:33to have meetings i don't think it's possible they they're gonna they might try but i don't see it
02:38happening i can't see i just see terrible problems and um uh i think the more the storm
02:43account try the worst you get for them it's just gonna get worse they can bring the peter
02:47emmanuel or whatever they want it's gonna get worse for them yeah i mean so you think there's
02:52no hope at all i mean lord peter mandelson he's he's a prominent labor figure he's it's irrelevant
02:58now is that what you're saying yes no no anybody look this britain let's me say start
03:05it by saying britain is our parent country we in the in the outside world who come
03:11from the you know the empire let's say that the remnants of the empire and so on we were brought up
03:16to believe that god actually uh you know lives in england and everything you know and uh and that the
03:24english but they have a very good reason for that because the english orders know best and they do the
03:29right thing and we don't do the bad things that other people do you know we just don't do it and
03:35uh it's just common sense i mean you know what's wrong with you don't you realize we just don't do
03:39the bad things and i honestly think there's a lot of truth in that a hell of a lot of truth in that
03:44and um so having said that today in america you know a british politician like peter emmanuel or
03:50whoever it is these are these are these are mandels and yes feathers these are feathers compared to the
03:57america when the americans think of them they don't think of them as anything at all they just think of
04:01nothing and you know it's almost you might say go lad less or you know without i mean they're nothing you
04:12know so i wouldn't worry about that no no i wouldn't worry about that uh you know our worry about english
04:18politicians is that is you know farage talk sense but is has he got the strength has he got the
04:24strength that he's prepared to sit in a prison cell uh is he has he got the strength that trump showed
04:32to be brought up and shamed left right and center in ports and had his mugshot taken and all that sort
04:39of stuff has he got the strength to to not buckle under something like that and that's the thing you
04:44know and so uh england is to a certain extent short of uh you know really strong politician people or
04:51people who could take the reins and they're a bit short on that these days you know gordon of cartoon
04:57is gone and you know winston churchill is gone and but we have that england has all these people to
05:02look back on you know the blokes like um bomber harris and you know the blokes that we knew in the past
05:10to who who were no nonsense guys you know what i mean who who did the extraordinary things that were
05:16needed where are they now they're not there anymore you know the women have taken over which is not bad
05:23and so maybe it's with them but um you know donna england is a wonderful place to us elon and my
05:31family we loved going to england uh we've rented castles in england to stay in we've done all sorts of
05:38of things in england and uh uh you know for us when elon says england is what he likes i mean he
05:45means it you know yeah um he did he he had i mean in the last in the last few weeks last week he he
05:51met with uh nigel farage and also nick candy at mar-a-lago uh and they apparently discussed the
05:58potential um uh contribution donation of a hundred million and that's the figure which is banded around
06:04or certainly some sort of support was taken um what do you make of nigel farage and and the
06:10likelihood that elon might uh turn around and actually throw some money at reform well you know
06:17look as i said nigel front speaks says the right things they say sensible things and he has had to
06:23be a loan shop all this time he's had to operate on his own a lot of the time and uh he has slowly
06:29garnered support and and so on so we certainly you know he's certainly in the team as far as we are
06:36concerned what i'm saying is you know i my own feeling is we need somebody with a little bit more um
06:43you know in my opinion uh you know um strength or forthrightness you know uh which is only you
06:52only see it in certain people you don't often see it you know and at this stage in england you do need
06:56somebody who says look you know you can you can crucify me but i'm not gonna i'm not gonna uh
07:03stop and um you know not some people who need uh look just let me have another big cigarette and
07:08and i'll tell you what i think you know it's not you don't you don't you don't you need strong
07:13people now you know you've got to stop the stormer guy i mean what he's doing is is i said the other
07:18day to people it's a hardball you know he's treating you with hardball and and people are
07:24getting a hard time he's not messing around the islamic guy he's going for it you know and uh
07:29i think the people as i said the other day are gobsmacked they don't know what to do they just
07:34don't know what to do because what do you do when when when you're being when this is being done to
07:38you and sama said okay you can say something if you like i'll just throw you into a cell and uh
07:44everybody said oh okay well you'll throw me into yourself i've actually noticed when i've been
07:48interviewed on the uh mainstream channels in england the people are very scared to you know
07:54i noticed with the interviewers to to broach certain subjects especially when it comes to
07:58illegal immigrants they they're terrified of broaching the subject and will quickly change
08:03the subject but for fear of being closed down or being arrested when they leave the studio so yeah
08:09it's a problem but there's certainly and we've spoken previously about freedom of speech and you
08:13you've very uh eloquently spoken about it on several episodes of of the andrew eborn show and
08:18and we can we can talk about these things and and it's important as long as we we need a platform
08:22where people can speak without fear or favor and address these uncomfortable issues
08:29well yes unfortunately people go for the mainstream media because that's what they've been taught
08:34and um you know it's in fact it's improved a lot people have started to realize now that
08:39you know the times of london which was always like the super bastion of you know the best is not
08:45actually doing that anymore they they they they're not the best anymore they might look the best they
08:50might have the best looking newspaper but they're not reporting things correctly anymore for some
08:55reason which is hard to understand and so uh people are starting to wake up to that and uh these you
09:02you know these uh podcasts and various other television shows programs are being watched i mean
09:10i was able to watch because to a large extent about 10 years ago i wasn't particularly concerned i had
09:15other things on my mind it's been in the last 10 years that i've actually become aware of all these
09:21things i've seen a news a television station called newsmax start in in america be very very small
09:28incredibly small you know 2 000 viewers or something and now it's boasting that it has
09:34on certain programs better viewership than fox so that's interesting that that they've done that
09:43and online is the new front line as you and i've discussed beforehand then and i think it's worth
09:48looking at other shows like something in america news in america or something that was also a
09:54fledgling tv show just disappeared you know they just couldn't keep up
09:58and certainly a lot of people are becoming brands now individuals becoming their own channels uh
10:03they're using these different i know the newsmax people got sued and they had all sorts of trouble
10:08and yet they they sort of pushed their way through and they've now made it you know so that's what one
10:14has to look at yeah absolutely it's important as i say that voices do get out there and there are
10:19platforms to enable people to do that now before i mean before looking at reform and they say obviously
10:24there was this wonderful photo which has been shared all over the place by nigel and nick candy
10:28and various others uh with this murray logo uh a brilliant picture with a wonderful portrait of
10:33of donald trump behind them and then elon in the middle i loved all of them um conservative shadow
10:38minister and others andrew griffith and and others at the conservative side have urged elon to
10:43take another look at the tories before donating to reform uk do you think elon would meet with the
10:49leader of the conservatives kemi baddenok no no we're aware of the fact that the tories are
10:56the uh labouring within a different jacket on you know they're wearing just a different uh version of
11:04the same jacket that was bought at wilworth's so the labor have got the uh torn one tony one in the um
11:11um um tories how many uh yes the tories have got the uh the the sort of bluey one or something like
11:19that you know exactly the same everybody knows that you know they're no good no good sorry to say that
11:27so you're saying it would need to be something completely different is that to either the tories
11:33just as the same as in america the the republican party today is no longer the republican party that it was
11:39a few years ago it's a new party they've thrown out they all know if you if you try to be the
11:45republican party of 12 10 12 years ago and before if you try that now in the republican party you're
11:53going to be given a one-way ticket you're not going to be involved in it you're going to be
11:57thrown the door so the new republic you could call it almost the new republican body in america today
12:02uh trump is the republican party so you know a few years ago to some you know somebody else it was
12:09some you know die hard he'd been there you know for 50 years or something but no no it's it's a new
12:15party and so you you the same thing has happened in in in england um there was ultimately very little
12:22difference people started to point out between republican and democrat decisions and uh the same thing is
12:29is it's happened it's happened in england the tories and the labor hardly distinguishable so um yeah
12:35you need a new party there's no question about that yeah but it's interesting and people make the
12:40point or the new republic the new conservative party i don't know yeah people make the point that the
12:45the only way to beat starma is basically if reform and conservatives get together uh do you think
12:50that's a viable proposition no no not at all no not at all and um you know solomon's whole approach
12:59the things they're doing i mean it's it's untenable it doesn't work in england it's just not going to
13:04work he's going to be out shortly so i wouldn't even worry about strama i think you know although he's
13:09still there it's it's you can it's a fated company he's gone he's not going to last there has to be a new
13:14election and the people in england are saying well we don't do that no where's the trillion stone
13:18that you can't have another election where's the stone tell me well it's interesting you remember
13:25that last time we spoke about this they had this petition uh which uh you only needed a hundred
13:29thousand to say it may be debated in parliament uh they got over seven million a few million uh
13:36it is going to be debated in parliament on january the 6th we'll get you to comment on that um
13:40unfortunately errol whatever that the votes they've got enough votes to say it's not going to call
13:45another general election but it's interesting the voice of the people should be
13:48listen to um there's also been calls for new donation laws uh uh the uk election watchdog
13:55um about sir because of the threat whether it's real or not that elon might be donating make a
14:01large donation for some a party like reform uh what's your take on that introducing new donation
14:06law well you know obviously they obviously this has just been brought up because of the potential
14:12that reform might get money that's there's no other reason why they brought it up i mean it's obviously
14:16uh you know it's it's you know it's 101 you know logic you know so um no no um i think there is a
14:25certain sort of issue about having uh outside money come to a party or two elections in a country i
14:32would like to be in my country or or something and somebody in america's paying is funding some my
14:41proponents or something like that i think there is an argument against that i i do think so on the
14:46other hand there's no harm in in elon lending just as the americans did during world war ii lend uh
14:55money to to england as they did there's no harm in if if courage and your full body need money and they
15:02don't have it and they have a very good they're very much needed to be there then it's wrong that
15:07they shouldn't have money they must get money if they need money you can't deprive them on the basis
15:13just like you can't deprive a a good student to go and do his studies to be able to do his you know
15:20his masters or something because he hasn't got the money you you have to somehow find the money for that
15:25and so it's wrong that he doesn't have money and even if it's alone then he can be alone and i can't see
15:30how um the government can make any kind of rule against alone they can try the donation thing but
15:36they can't make a rule against alone and i can give you a loan where i say this money is payable over
15:42the next thousand repayable over the next thousand years at uh point zero zero zero zero zero zero one
15:49percent uh you know i cannot make all sorts was first payment due five years from now or something like
15:56that and um no there's there's if he needs money that can be loaned to him and if they need money
16:01and that's their problem they must get the money that's all yeah and they could always use the
16:04english companies and so on and so forth there are different ways of doing things i think the
16:08suggestion was that they were trying to limit uh based on the the profits of the relevant entity
16:14uh and that's the issue it's a democracy democracy it can't be bought but obviously it's not a foregone
16:20conclusion uh but it's it's certainly going to be an interesting side and the other big pick which has been
16:24announced uh uh talking about the special relationship is mark burnett um who was the
16:30producer and creator of uh the apprentice and shark tank and so on and so forth he's now been picked
16:38by donald trump it's just been announced uh to be the uk envoy um and everybody says i i went along to
16:44this uh uh when i was in can they were talking about mark but it basically helped form donald trump he
16:50he made him into this glorious character as a result of the apprentice which made him a superstar and
16:56made him many millions uh in fact um any views on his appointment
17:03well i've the first i've heard of it but i think it's a good idea it's a very good idea i don't think
17:07it's gonna make any changes it's not gonna change anything but it's the more the uk is exposed to
17:13uh you know a different type of uh person coming across uh than the old you know somewhat bureaucratic
17:23representative of the past the better i mean obviously it's better i i think the uk is
17:28slowly uh i don't think he's got he's obviously somebody like that to help but the uk themselves
17:35the people in the uk you can see it with the energy with which they're talking on the different shows and
17:40podcasts and things they're starting to wake up and say wait a minute you know uh we actually like
17:46england we we do actually like england you know believe it or not and so yeah i think things are
17:52going well i think things we'll see a lot of good things happening in the next two months in england
17:58there's no doubt about it and france and germany yeah well mark i mean he was born in essex born and
18:03raised in essex and uh he was a paratrooper before he moved to the us in 1982 and has a very very
18:11famous as the uh the television producer behind the apprentice and survivor and shark tank so um i
18:16think he's he's a good chap in terms of making sure it's a uh that sort of special relationship