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00:00well hello and a very warm welcome back to the andrew eborn show with me andrew eborn and my
00:09very good guest errol musk how we doing errol i'm good thank you excellent it's family time
00:16at christmas you've got all the family with you at the moment yes yes i have a lot of family here
00:22at the moment and it's rather wonderful because i have a big house and normally it's just me
00:27waffling around alone most of the time and now i've got people everywhere so it's it's uh so it
00:33takes some getting used to you know you know the mess everywhere i mean you know but that's okay
00:41always interesting um we were talking last time about elon's um tremendous influence on on the
00:47global stage and and the positive influence he's having in in america uh saving money in this
00:53department of government efficiency and so on and so forth and this is even before trump has come in
00:58um i wanted to look at some some other places around the world we had this terrible uh german
01:03christmas market attack uh where five people were killed including a nine-year-old child over 200
01:12and 41 critically i mean absolutely appalling for uh the details are coming out all the time but
01:18basically a black a black bmw suv drove 400 meters through a crowded christmas market in baghdeburg
01:25uh and maghdeburg and and the attack lasted approximately three minutes um there is a suspect
01:30who's uh a 50 year old saudi citizen residing in germany since 2006 uh he worked as a doctor
01:36uh with apparently no known links to islamic extremism but all of this is being looked at at the
01:43moment obviously elon's um commented on this as well well what are your views you know i mean
01:52i i would say it's so shocking that i never grew up with anything like that as a child myself you know
01:59it was something we sort of associated with the second world war or something like that you know
02:04as a child i mean you know i i i i don't know what is in the minds of these people uh that they
02:11should uh do something like that uh i i blame the governments involved uh totally i blame them i
02:19blame the police forces um they're asking for a lot of the time and um you know in your case in uh
02:26england with the three little girls i mean it's hard to even mention you know uh thing that the chap had
02:32in fact uh a long record of this uh you know islamic fundamentalism and stuff and it's all coming out
02:41now and the government's trying to hide it so you know you have to on that basis the government is
02:46complicit so uh with the crime and so uh yeah no uh what really worried me is that um i saw the bbc
02:56response on that and they the chap from the minister of the british this former government
03:02said that we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the this bloke was trying to be a terrorist of any
03:08kind he could have just had a bad day at work uh or his wife or his girlfriend may have dumped him
03:16there's there's no excuse to go and kill people or to do anything of the kind and the other thing is
03:22that when people do things like this that as in china which i don't i don't really like it i've
03:27always been against i was very involved in capital punishment in this country very very first road
03:33type of person involved unfortunately as an engineer because i designed the facilities for that
03:38for capital punishment and the thing is that um but i would say that uh capital punishment is is needed
03:46chinese style you know you do this in a week's time you you're in front of a firing squad you know not in
03:52five years time or 25 years time and so on and uh you know at the moment the guy's probably being
03:59you know walking around lauded and praised for his bravery or something like that i don't know what
04:05to say it's it's just so odd you know exactly in life and as you say errol facts are coming out all
04:13the time apparently saudi officials claim they issued four warnings about the suspect's extreme views uh which
04:20were allegedly ignored by the german authorities i always say what we need to do is shine more light
04:27then the victims sue the german authorities for money for something you can't they can't get away with
04:35that if they've been given a warning and they do nothing about it they're complicit it's as simple as
04:40that and um i think the germans also getting tired of the their wishy-washy you know sin uh soup type
04:49governments that they've got and uh they want a decent government again and so you know obviously
04:56they're trying to throw off the the older you know sort of times of the past that they're not you know
05:02into sort of over-the-top governments but it is time for them to have a proper government and uh you know
05:08to stop this kind of nonsense i don't think this is particular to germany this particular incident i
05:13think it's happening in other places and um you know and so uh yeah but i hardly doubt what to say
05:19i mean i don't know what to say it happens in america as well and and and often it's not in america
05:25it's often got nothing whatsoever to do with uh anything but some bloke who just had a
05:31uh tip on your shoulder or something sometimes but in this case uh if the police had uh the warning of
05:38this obviously this this uh mental uh you know uh crippledness or some sort of a crippled behavior
05:46in the in the in in society you know um you see it when you see the lines of police that have
05:53stopped trying to stop these riots in england recently and and in the days gone by it took one
05:58policeman without anything not even a battle to walk into a crowd of people and i lived in england
06:03and say that's it all of you off you go and everybody just said yes sir and off they win
06:08you know and uh we need to somehow find our our feet again i think you know it has got a lot to do
06:15with the fact that these people can do these things and they don't get punished they don't get punished
06:20and then i think it is really concerning the sort of rise in this and what one of the things that's
06:25happened again this causes outrage there's always extreme of emotion elon's come out and said only
06:30the afd can save germany uh and a lot of people could say that they're outraged by that suggestion
06:36because uh that they're classified as far right what's your take on that well very often these
06:41people today are classified as far right actually not they're dead center so you know in elon's case
06:47i repeat again i've said this before elon is nowhere near a so-called far right person he's a dead
06:53center person you know he does easily jump back into democratness as he could into um republicanness
07:01and and you know that's that's what you should be we should all be um both uh you know types of
07:08people we should both all be able to see both points of view and we should all be somewhere in
07:14the center i mean there's you know obviously sometimes there are people with a really good
07:19point and they they they want to stress it very strongly like taped like martin luther and all
07:25those sort of people in the past and there's room for them but generally speaking most people are dead
07:30center and these people that uh he talks about that they talk about as far right in journey that
07:34chances are they dead center they just want to see a i would call it the common sense point
07:40and as you rightly say errol it's a label that people always slap on them they dismiss everybody they
07:44call them fire and work it was the german minister uh karl lauterbach uh who said that elon's
07:51intervention ahead of the snap election was undignified and highly problematic that's the uh
07:56the words he used saying he was uh guilty of uh election interference oh to hell with him you know
08:04let him say what he wants who cares i don't care i mean you know that was just his opinion my
08:10opinion on the other hand was he's a loud mouth left-wing idiot so you know that's all there is
08:16to it and probably half which has never had a job in his life as well so i wouldn't really worry about
08:21him at all no no i think uh one needs to start listening to again we come back to something we
08:27spoke about before people who have a tech background or rather a non-political type background you need to
08:33stop listening to these people when they say things that like elon has said and these people who
08:40as a result of being in political in the political world find themselves somewhat on the other side of
08:45the circle you know once you i found for example myself in in politics you go in to a meeting of 10
08:54representatives and you have a very open mind about the issues that are going to be discussed
08:59they should start coming out and you find yourself grouped with suddenly grouped with four other
09:04guys or three other men and and you you're up against six other men or five other men and you
09:10never had that in mind in the first place and and somehow you know that's just the way things go
09:16you know that's some people think there should the white lines on the road should be four inch and
09:21then the other people think should be five inch and uh and so on you know and the reason it should be
09:28five in so we can see it better and the four inch people say but yes we will save paint and so on
09:33you know and and so you find yourself unfortunately on one side or the other you you know so it's just
09:39life that's life you know and uh and germany's snap election is set germany snap election is set for
09:46february the 23rd following the collapse of uh olaf schultz coalition and the afd at the moment is
09:52polling second um with elon's support and they could well win it yes they would probably do very
09:59much better and i'm just going to say um trump's uh victory and the has he has done and you know
10:07people said how is he going to look off look over or govern over a divided america my response was what
10:13he just reunited america he just united america what are you talking about so the thing is that
10:20um he um his influence and what people have seen and immediately everything going better and ceos
10:29announcing uh investments that they were holding back on and and so forth since trump has come in
10:35the people you know you have to be a bit of a halfwit not to see the advantages all of a sudden
10:40and so the people in europe i said you know after the american election in november i said oh this is
10:47going to spill over it's going to spill over to england it's going to spill over into all these
10:51countries and they're going to say wait a minute wait a minute we also want that you know we also want
10:57that we also want a new shape of the dice on this side you know what i mean and that brings me to
11:05starma and i still maintain that so much won't see the end of february and the the the the the
11:13backlash against stormer is is is astronomic it's so huge the only place that's actually says anything
11:19good about storm is the bbc and even they are having a hard time you know because half the things they
11:26say are so muddled you can't make out what they're saying and so uh you know um no no uh the trump uh
11:33uh um you know victory and and and approach and the idea that we need practicality in government
11:41and and we need to trim government apartments and so on you know i know that's taking root everywhere
11:47everywhere and i know you're absolutely right i mean the issues are it is the biggest issue of our
11:51time is immigration and so on and so forth as well as the economy and so and elon's message if you like
11:57is applying to so many different countries around the world which is why his influence is is so powerful
12:02and he tweeted in the last few hours saying look uh um x is the most trusted news platform now um
12:10and i want to mention about the uk i mean in 2012 elon just completed a business trip to london and
12:15oxford and and he tweeted i just returned i met with many interesting people and he tweeted i really like
12:21britain that was in 2012 fast forward to 2024 um his views are a little different he says civil war is
12:28inevitable britain is going full stalin and the people of britain have had enough of a tyrannical
12:33police state um changing relationship you say it's a lot to do with starmer um what do you think the
12:39current situation is because they've just appointed this peter mandelson do you do you know him he was
12:44one of the tony blair uh people he's he's a heavyweight politician um do you think the relationship
12:50might improve now that uh he's in his position well you know uh the things that the uh some of
12:57people have said about the uh trump people is a bit heavy you know i mean you can't really uh
13:03say uh i can't go about saying that uh you know somebody like yourself is this this and this and that
13:10and this and that without expecting you at least as another man to to find me in the street and and
13:17grab me by my collars and and lift me up and say i want to meet you behind the building you know or
13:24something like that and certainly in the past it would be worse than that so no i think they've got
13:28a really big problem this uh slama crowd when it comes to dealing with america i don't think it's
13:33possible to for them to to have meetings i don't think it's possible they they're gonna they might try
13:39but i don't see it happening i can't see i just see terrible problems and um i think the more the
13:45storm of crowd try the worst of death for them it's just going to get worse they can bring the
13:49pj manual or whatever yeah i mean so you think there's no hope at all i mean lord peter mandelson
13:55he's a prominent labor figure he's it's irrelevant now is that what you're saying yes no no anybody
14:03look this britain let me say start it by saying britain is our parent country we in the in the outside
14:11world who come from the you know the empire let's say that the remnants of the empire and so on
14:16we were brought up to believe that god actually uh you know lives in england and everything you know
14:24and uh and that the english but they have a very good reason for that because the english all is no
14:30best and they do the right thing and we don't do the bad things that other people do you know we just
14:35don't do it and uh it's just common sense i mean you know what's wrong with you don't you realize
14:40we just don't do the bad things and i honestly think there's a lot of truth in that a hell of a
14:44lot of truth in that and um so having said that today in america you know a british politician like
14:51peter emmanuel or whoever it is these are these are these are mandelson yes feathers these are feathers
14:58compared to the america when the americans think of them they don't think of them as anything at all
15:02they're just thinking of nothing and you know it's almost you might say go let
15:08less or you know without i mean they're nothing you know so i wouldn't worry about that no no i
15:15wouldn't worry about that uh you know our worry about english politicians is that is you know farage
15:23talks sense but is has he got the strength has he got the strength that he's prepared to sit in a
15:29prison cell uh is he has he got the strength that trump showed to be brought up and shamed
15:36left right and center in ports and had his mugshot taken and all that sort of stuff has he got the
15:41strength to not buckle under something like that and that's the thing you know and so uh england is
15:48to a certain extent short of uh you know really strong politician people or people who could take the
15:54reigns and they're a bit short on that these days you know gordon of cartoon is gone and you know
16:00winston churchill is gone and but we have that england has all these people to look back on you know
16:06the blokes like um bomber harris and you know the blokes that we knew in the past who who were no
16:13nonsense guys you know what i mean who who who did the extraordinary things that were needed where are
16:19they now they're not there anymore you know the women have taken over which is not bad and so maybe
16:25it's with them but um you know no no england is a wonderful place to us uh elon and my family we
16:33loved going to england uh we've rented castles in england to stay in we've done all sorts of things in
16:40england and uh uh you know for us when elon says england is what he likes i mean he means it you know yeah
16:48well he did he he had i mean in the last in the last few weeks last week he met with uh nigel farage
16:55and also nick candy at mar-a-lago uh and they apparently discussed the potential um uh contribution
17:02donation of a hundred million and that's the figure which is banded around or certainly some sort of
17:07support was taken um what do you make of nigel farage and and the likelihood that elon might uh turn
17:14around and actually uh throw some money at reform well you know look as i said nigel front speaks
17:21says the right things they say sensible things and he has had to be a loan shark all this time he's had
17:27to operate on his own a lot of the time and uh he has slowly gone as support and and so on so we certainly
17:35you know he's certainly in the team as far as we are concerned what i'm saying is you know
17:39i my own feeling is we need somebody with a little bit more um you know uh in my opinion uh you know
17:49strength or forthrightness you know uh which is only you only see it in certain people you don't often
17:55see it you know and at this stage in england you do need somebody who says look you know you can you
18:00can crucify me but i'm not gonna i'm not gonna uh stop and um you know not people who need uh look
18:09just let me have another quick cigarette and then i'll tell you what i think you know it's not you
18:12don't you don't you don't you need strong people now you know you've got to stop the stormer guy i
18:17mean what he's doing is is i said the other day to people it's a hardball you know he's treating you
18:22with hardball and and people are getting a hard time he's not messing around the islamic guy he's going for it
18:29you know and uh i think the people as i said the other day are gobsmacked they don't know what to
18:35do they just don't know what to do because what do you do when when you're being when this is being
18:39done to you and soma said okay you can say something if you like i'll just throw you into a cell
18:45and uh everybody said oh okay well you'll throw me into a cell i've actually noticed when i've been
18:50interviewed on the uh mainstream channels in england the people are very scared to you know i noticed
18:56with the interviewers to to broach certain subjects especially when it comes to illegal immigrants
19:01they're terrified of broaching the subject and will quickly change the subject for fear of being
19:07closed down or being arrested when they leave the studio so yeah it's a problem but there's certainly
19:12and we've spoken previously about freedom of speech and you you very uh eloquently spoken about it on
19:17several episodes of of the andrew eborn show and we can we can talk about these things and and it's
19:22important as long as we we need a platform where people can speak without fear or favor and address
19:28these uncomfortable issues well yes unfortunately people go for the mainstream media because that's
19:34what they've been taught and um you know it's in fact it's improved a lot people have started to
19:39realize now that you know the times of london which was always like the super best you know you know the
19:45best is not actually doing that anymore they they they're not the best anymore they might look the best
19:51they might have the best looking newspaper but they're not reporting things correctly anymore for
19:57some reason which is hard to understand and so uh people are starting to wake up to that and uh these
20:03you know these uh podcasts and various other television shows programs are being watched i mean i was able to
20:12watch because to a large extent about 10 years ago i wasn't particularly concerned i had other things
20:17on my mind it's been in the last 10 years that i've actually become aware of all these things i've
20:23seen a news a television station called newsmax start in in america be very very small incredibly small
20:31you know 2 000 viewers or something and now it's boasting that it has on certain programs better
20:38viewership than fox so that's interesting that that they've done that you don't know and online is
20:45the new front line as you and i've discussed beforehand then and i think it's worth looking at
20:50other shows like something in america news in america or something that was also a fledgling tv
20:56show just disappeared you know they just couldn't keep up and certainly a lot of people are becoming
21:01brands now individuals becoming their own channels uh they're using these different i know the newsmax
21:06people got sued and they had all sorts of trouble and yet they they sort of pushed their way through
21:12and they've now made it you know so that's what one has to look at yeah absolutely it's important
21:18as they say that voices do get out there and there are platforms to enable people to do that
21:22now before i mean before looking at reform and they say obviously there was this wonderful photo
21:27which has been shared all over the place by nigel and nick candy and various others uh with this
21:31mario lego uh a brilliant picture with a wonderful portrait of of donald trump behind them and then
21:36elon in the middle i loved all of them um conservative shadow minister and others andrew griffith and and
21:42others at the conservative side have urged elon to take another look at the tories before donating to
21:48reform uk do you think elon would meet with the leader of the conservatives kemi badenok no no we're
21:55aware of the fact that the tories are the uh labor in within a different jacket on you know they're
22:03wearing just a different uh version of the same jacket that was bought at wilworth's so the labor have
22:09got the uh torn one tell me one in the um um tories how many uh yes the tories have got the uh the the
22:19the the sort of bluey one or something like that you know exactly the same everybody knows that you
22:25know they're no good no good sorry to say that so you're saying it would need to be something
22:31completely different is that to to either the tories time just as the same as in america the the
22:37republican party today is no longer the republican party that it was a few years ago it's a new party
22:44they've thrown out they all know if you if you try to be the republican party of
22:4912 10 12 years ago and before if you try that now in the republican party you're going to be given
22:55a one-way ticket you're not going to be involved in it you're going to be thrown the door so the new
23:00republic you could call it almost the new republican party in america today uh trump is the republican
23:06party so you know a few years ago to some you know somebody else it was some you know die hard
23:13who'd been there you know for 50 years or something but no no it's it's a new party and so you you the
23:19same thing has happened in in england um there was ultimately very little difference people started
23:25to point out between republican and democrat decisions and uh the same thing is is happening
23:31as happened in england the tories and the labor hardly distinguishable so um yeah you need a new
23:37party there's no question about that yeah but it's interesting and people may call it the whole
23:42party or the new republic or the new conservative party i don't know yeah people make the point that
23:46the the only way to beat starma is that basically if reform and conservatives get together uh do you
23:51think that's a viable proposition no no not at all no not at all and um you know solomon's whole
23:59approach the things they're doing i mean it's it's untenable it doesn't work in england it's just not
24:05not going to work he's going to be out shortly so i wouldn't even worry about strama i think
24:10you know although he's still there it's it's you can it's a fate of company he's gone he's not going
24:14to last there has to be a new election and the people in england are saying well we don't do that
24:18no where's the triple in stone it's not in stone that you can't have another election where's the
24:23stone tell me well it's interesting you remember that last time we spoke about this they had this
24:28petition uh which you only needed a hundred thousand to say it may be debated in parliament
24:33they got over seven million a few million uh it is going to be debated in parliament on january the
24:396th we'll get you to comment on that um unfortunately errol whatever that the votes they've got enough
24:45votes to say it's not going to call another general election but it's interesting the voice of the
24:49people should be listened to um there's also been calls for new donation laws uh uh the uk election
24:56watchdog um about uh because of the threat whether it's real or not that elon might be donating make a
25:02large donation for some a party like reform uh what's your take on that introducing new donation
25:08law well you know obviously they obviously this has just been brought up because of the potential
25:14that reform might get money that's there's no other reason why they brought it up i mean it's obviously uh
25:19you know it's it's you know it's 101 you know logic you know so um no no um i think there is a
25:27certain sort of issue about having uh outside money come to a party or two elections in a country i would
25:34like to be in my country or or something and somebody in america's paying is funding some my proponents or
25:43something like that i think there is an argument against that i i do think so on the other hand there's no
25:49harm in in elon lending just as the americans did during world war ii lend uh money to to england as
25:58they did there's no harm in if if parage and your full body need money and they don't have it and they
26:05have a very good they're very much needed to be there then it's wrong that they shouldn't have money
26:10they must get money if they need money you can't deprive them on the basis just like you can't deprive a
26:16a good student to go and do his studies to be there to do his you know his masters or something
26:22because he hasn't got the money you you have to somehow find the money for that and so it's wrong
26:27that he doesn't have money and even if it's a loan then he can be alone and i can't see how um the
26:33government can make any kind of rule against a loan they can try the donation thing but they can't
26:39make a rule against the loan and i can give you a loan where i say this money is payable over the next
26:44style repayable over the next thousand years at uh point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero one
26:51percent uh you know i cannot make all sorts was first payment due five years from now or something
26:57like that and um there's there's if he needs money that can be loaned to him and if they need money
27:03and that's their problem they must get the money that's all yeah and they could always use the english
27:06companies and so on and so forth there are different ways of doing things i think the suggestion was that
27:11they were trying to limit uh based on the the profits of the relevant entity uh and and that's
27:16the issue it's a democracy's democracy it can't be bought but obviously it's not a foregone conclusion
27:22uh but it's it's certainly going to be an interesting side and the other big pick which has been announced
27:26uh uh talking about the special relationship is mark burnett um who was the producer and creator
27:33of uh the apprentice and shark tank and so on and so forth he's now been picked by donald trump it's
27:40just been announced uh to be the uk envoy um and everybody says i i went along to this uh uh when
27:47i was in can they were talking about mark burnett it basically helped form donald trump he made him
27:52into this glorious character as a result of the apprentice which made him a superstar and uh made
27:58him many millions uh in fact um any views on his appointment
28:05well i've the first i've heard of it but i think it's a good idea it's a very good idea
28:08i don't think it's gonna make any changes it's not gonna change anything but it's the more the uk is
28:14exposed to uh you know a different type of uh person coming across uh than the old you know somewhat
28:23bureaucratic representative of the past the better i mean obviously it's better i i think the uk is
28:30slowly uh i don't think he's got he's obviously somebody like that sale but you the uk themselves the
28:36people of the uk you can see it with the energy which they're talking on the different shows and
28:41podcasts and things they're starting to wake up and say wait a minute you know uh we actually like
28:47england we we do actually like england you know believe it or not and so yeah i think things are
28:53going well i think things we'll see a lot of good things happening in the next two months in england
28:59there's no doubt about it and france and germany yeah well mark i mean he was born in essex born and
29:04raised in essex and uh he was a paratrooper before he moved to the us in 1982 and has a very very
29:12famous as the uh uh the television producer behind the apprentice and survivor and shark tank so um i
29:18think he's he's a good chap in terms of making sure it's a uh that sort of special relationship
29:23and i think from that point of view now coming up to christmas um how do you normally celebrate
29:29christmas in the mosque household family you know all the family get together and uh everybody's
29:36wonderful on the first day or so uh you know and uh they all find you everybody's allocated bedrooms
29:42and rooms and so on and so forth everybody's happy as as uh you know can be and then you get the
29:48second day when somebody comes and says one of the ones says so and so said this and this about me
29:55and then you the other because i'm sure they didn't and and uh you know and so you devolve
29:59into the third day where the the family is now divided into two camps i think everybody knows what
30:06i'm talking about then by the time that they all leave they're all back on good terms again you know
30:14all loving each other and crying and everything but of course during the four days it's a sort of
30:19you go through a sort of um happiness and then a crisis and then we all expect that the men all
30:25expect it you know the men you know the men they all just say oh yeah what do you do as a family i
30:30mean did you do you get the monopoly boards out and play monopoly do you how do you celebrate christmas
30:35say that we were playing this game recent just now it's called i think guess my career or something
30:42and you put a band on the head they were all playing it earlier and you have a card on top of your head
30:47you have draw what you you don't know what the card is and then you put up they know what you do
30:52but you don't know what you do and and you have to guess what you do by them each taking a turn
30:58to to to imitate that type of job or show you know what that sort of person does
31:02and so yeah everybody's playing that monopoly no we haven't got one i i used to have one i i don't
31:08have that anymore we have the backgammon out you know so there's the the odd family two guys who show
31:13off because they know how to play backgammon and then there's uh you know what else yeah we have
31:20all sorts of games you know pick up sticks and you know whatever you know anything to pass the time
31:25and of course to get from one big meal to another you know so yeah surviving without fighting and
31:30will elon be joining you this year no no no no uh i actually don't know what elon's doing i know what
31:37my other what tusker's doing or what kimball's doing but i i don't know what he's doing and and
31:42you know he's not married so he's a single man and they you know so i'm not really sure i hope he's
31:47he's all right i hope he's all right i haven't we haven't asked i i haven't checked you know because
31:52i've got my own load here to deal with myself you know but kimball and and tosca will come and
31:57join you will they no they're not coming but i know what they're doing so i know where they are
32:02you know and because kimball told me last two weeks ago when i saw him or 10 days ago and yeah so no
32:08it's uh you know it's a lot of the time these holidays are wonderful it's also a case of sort of
32:14getting through them if you know what i mean you know the the you don't care what you get as a gift
32:19but you're worried like blazes about whether you've got everybody the right gift you know
32:24you don't even look at your gift and comes you just say oh thank you you know you might look at it
32:29we spoke about gifts in uh uh previously and uh you all say that the best gift is give somebody who's
32:34got everything it's probably a book well yes you know you try to well you know uh you know people
32:40ask me what i want i say socks or something you know they're just to make it easy for them you know so
32:45it's not so expensive but um inevitably they come with something very expensive and then i haven't
32:50bought something very expensive then i have to go to them afterwards and say look i had in mind to
32:56get you this you know now think of something and then that's more expensive you know then oh really
33:00i said yeah i didn't want to buy it because i i need you to come with me you know or something like
33:04that you know anything to get over get past it you know it's so difficult it's so difficult for
33:10people they're trying to get gifts and you get things when growing up then with the the young
33:16family because you have a obviously a large time you've got a young family now as well i've seen
33:20some of uh some of your other younger children uh but growing up with elon and and kimball and
33:25tosca uh what would they do around christmas time what would a traditional christmas is very important
33:31oh no christmas is super important elon is a very big gift and and ritual type of guy he loves it
33:39for him it's terribly important and uh kimball a guy to entertainer so you know we've always viewed
33:47christmas very serious with us i mean you know i'm i'm i'm as you get older you know kind of in time
33:53to say what do we just uh like don't worry about anything this christmas it's very badly that gets
34:00taken very badly what are you joking yeah i'm just joking you know but well it's nobody's it's a
34:05tremendous pressure it's a tremendous pressure on people it's good for you to talk about what about
34:10new year's eve do you stay up and see the new year in yeah obviously every every year we do that there's
34:16fireworks and all that sort of stuff and people we generally go to the place where it's all happening
34:21and uh sort of see the new year you've got to do something i mean you can't you can't do nothing
34:25you've got to do something did you do you have a favorite memory of a new year
34:29and then you hope you know yeah maybe you don't i don't make a big fuss to me the years it's nice
34:35and it's it's also nice to know i made another year myself i sort of think you know but at the end of
34:40the day um you know it again it's a sort of ritual that's can be unpleasant if you if you know what
34:46i mean you know you've got to try and get through it get through it i remember going to new year's eve
34:50at trafalder square with elon kimball and tosca once and um all the fighting erupted right where we
34:56were you know there's thousands of people in this big fight occurred right where we were with all
35:02sorts of things being thrown and they were throwing these thunder crashes or something around to make
35:07trouble you know and people being dragged off and police vans and everything you know and um you
35:13know so it's like a thing you know and uh it's it's it's part of it you know it's part of the
35:18uh it's part of it you know it's it's a very the good old days you know when when things were
35:25really great you were not great i mean very calm and you go to the country club in a tuxedo you know
35:31and your wife goes long evening dress in those days you know it's a country club dance and and then
35:37then you see the new year's in with old lame sign and all that sort of stuff you know uh those days
35:41we don't seem to have much of that those are the favorite and do you make new year's resolutions
35:46well i should i suppose but i haven't thought of that no i haven't thought of that but i have so
35:52many resolutions that i have to make every day you know i've promised a book to a publisher that i've
35:57written that i wrote i published a publisher published in england in by the end of november that
36:03he would get get it and it's now the end of november and i've even touched it touched on it in this
36:09time yeah so uh you know he sent me a whatsapp yesterday saying uh or they took so ago saying uh
36:17he doesn't like to be pressuring me but you know is there any way i i could give him a few some
36:23feedback you know this kind of thing so yeah you know i've enough resolutions to worry about right
36:28and what finally then era what what do you hope for 2025
36:32well i think 2025 is going to be a very much uh better year than this year has been in many ways
36:39and this this year has been quite good so i think we're looking forward to quite a good year because
36:43things are you know a lot of things that were not going well are now improving there's no doubt about
36:48it and so we can all look forward to a few nice things we can look forward to an end of the ukraine war
36:54almost immediately we can look forward to a settlement in the in the middle east almost immediately i was on
36:59egypt television and they were talking about it and i was on other uh interviews and and they are
37:07talking about uh things being much this was when i was in dubai in the middle east and so on they were
37:12talking about things are going to be much better in the middle east now and the people themselves you
37:16know talking to me and i you know i have to agree with that and say yeah i agree with you it's going
37:20to be much better now everybody's much happier it's as though some you know heavy weight has been
37:26listening to people i think you're you're absolutely right and let's hope that 2025 uh brings at least
37:31some sort of peace around the world it's very good it's been an absolute delight having you on the
37:35show uh so frequently during 2024 uh really appreciate your your brilliant uh wisdom great feedback from
37:43around the world uh looking forward to more of that uh in 2025 and beyond but for now errol moss thank
37:49you very much thank you very much thank you thank you thank you
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