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00:00Well, a very warm welcome. It's Andrew Yvonne here on a rather drizzly day here in the centre of London.
00:09We've all had Keir Starmer's speech. How are you recovering from that? Prepare for that storm.
00:14We're trying a few experiments here. People have suggested, having been on more platforms than Paddington,
00:19we should be launching our own YouTube channel. We did a lot of that during lockdown,
00:23and I had the joy of speaking to everybody from Charles Spencer to Christa Berg to Toya, lots of icons,
00:31because everyone was stuck at home in front of their screen and chatting to Andrew for a few minutes.
00:36It was sometimes hours, actually. I was on with Christa Berg for almost three hours,
00:40and he played all sorts of glorious songs and stuff like that. Interesting times.
00:44But what I love about this is that I did 100 shows for the brilliant Mike and Jenny at TNT,
00:51and last week that particular show ended because TNT, in its current form, ceased broadcasting.
00:59Guaranteed you can't keep good people down, so the phoenix will be rising again.
01:05Do watch this space. In the meantime, to keep us all, keep those vocal cords still well lubricated and exercised,
01:12the suggestion was that I should pop up on here every now and again and continue with the great chats with the people that we've done.
01:18And to start us off, what better than the most famous man in the world, possibly the most famous,
01:25certainly the richest, Elon Musk, and his brilliant father, Errol Musk,
01:30who I've had on the show on TNT, on the Muckrakers, several times.
01:35And what I love about having Errol on is that everything's so real.
01:41He doesn't hold back. He's got some brilliant opinions on everything.
01:45But also, it's probably the closest we're going to get in sort of immediate time, if you like,
01:51to get Errol's response on behalf of Elon, if you like, in some instances, to all the various news stories.
01:58And think about Elon. He's got so many different companies.
02:00Everybody obviously knows X, which he bought for 44 billion a couple of years ago.
02:06Interesting where that is.
02:07His plans originally were to turn that into the one-stop app, rather similar to what they have in China.
02:14And it'll be very interesting to see how that goes.
02:17But X, as you probably know, all around the world, there are stories.
02:20And freedom of speech has never been in a more critical position.
02:25We've had, basically, we've had the arrest of the CEO of Telegram.
02:30That happened in France.
02:34You have also, X was closed down in Brazil.
02:36It's now, Elon's now basically done a deal.
02:39So he's appointed a representative, paid some fines.
02:41I think they're going to be back up and running.
02:43For their 20-plus million people in Brazil will benefit from X.
02:47But there's a lot of concerns about liability for who should be liable for what,
02:52and people taking offence.
02:53And it's so easy for people to take offence these days.
02:56People get offended at virtually anything.
02:59I'll be really grateful for your views.
03:00Do let me know.
03:01The whole idea of this is it's interactive.
03:03It's a joy to have your comments and views on everything.
03:07I'll be here regularly.
03:08So do keep coming back to Octopus TV on YouTube.
03:12And we're going to have all the whole back catalogue of the different interviews and various other things.
03:16And do also get in touch, because if you've got suggestions for guests,
03:20questions you'd like to ask, and so on and so forth,
03:22I can get you on air.
03:24Get your questions.
03:25Get your voice heard.
03:27That's really, really important.
03:28Well, to start you off, however, I'm going to play you.
03:31This is a part of the interview.
03:32This is the second part.
03:33We played the first part yesterday.
03:35Do check that out.
03:36I'll rerun that in an appropriate moment.
03:37But this is the second part of the interview with Errol.
03:41Enjoy.
03:50Well, welcome back.
03:59I'm joined yet again today by Errol Musker, the father of Elon and several other children.
04:04You've got seven altogether, haven't you?
04:06Yes.
04:08Very good.
04:08Who's your favourite?
04:10Oh, no, they're not favourites.
04:12I wouldn't risk that.
04:13Wise answer for any father.
04:15You could never have a favourite.
04:16We were talking about Donald Trump and the bromance, as I call it, between Donald and
04:22Elon.
04:23Now, the latest claim that Donald says is that if he's elected president, which seems likely,
04:28I think odds on, according to the statistics, then what he will do is he will basically form
04:32a colony on Mars before the end of that presidential term, which he'll do with Elon.
04:38What's your take on all of that?
04:40Well, you know, that's what he's been spending billions on for years now.
04:46And, you know, as with any of his early, the early endeavours, the person is inclined
04:57to say to him, you know, give it up, you know, or perhaps you shouldn't be doing this
05:01or why are you bothering?
05:02You know, but if you'd said that to him about Tesla, there wouldn't have been a Tesla.
05:06If you said that to him about SpaceX, there wouldn't have been a SpaceX and so on and so
05:09forth.
05:09So, no, his dream is, his vision is to actually have people on Mars.
05:16And, I mean, he's, you know, he's put his money where his mouth is all the way along.
05:20So, you have to give him the credit that he's going to do what he can.
05:23And he started Starlink, as a matter of fact, which is probably the biggest, going to be
05:29the biggest IPO in history because it is, it's made up of thousands of satellites.
05:36I don't know if you know that 85% of all satellites ever launched since 1960 have been launched
05:41by Elon.
05:42Right.
05:4285% of all satellites have been launched by Elon.
05:48So, I mean, it's ridiculous.
05:50But anyway, he's set this thing up.
05:53He had this idea in 2016 that if he sets up all these satellites and then he had the idea
05:59that he had 60,000 satellites, but with technology improving, he's managed to do the whole thing
06:04with 7,000 satellites.
06:05So, there are now 7,000 satellites up there, which they can replace or, you know, whatever
06:11necessary, all the time.
06:13And they work with each other as like one big system.
06:16And this is good.
06:19His idea was this would provide Wi-Fi around the whole world, which is, everybody sort of
06:23said, well, you know, give me a break.
06:25This is never going to happen.
06:25But it has happened.
06:26It is happening.
06:27And it is now the biggest threat to all the fiber optic people and the cables under the
06:33sea people and all those things that's ever existed because they just don't know what
06:38to do because this is going to take over.
06:41It's going to be a very much better Wi-Fi.
06:42It is already a much better Wi-Fi.
06:45It's much faster.
06:46And it's going to be very inexpensive.
06:49And next year, as Elon told me a few months ago, it will be from your cell phone.
06:53Right.
06:53So, it doesn't matter where you are.
06:54It will be from your cell phone.
06:56So, you know, it's logical anyway.
06:58But the thing is that he did that with the idea that if he does that, he will generate
07:03his purpose for Starlink was that he could generate at the time, he said, one day he thinks
07:08he could make $80 billion a year out of a Wi-Fi system like Starlink.
07:14And that was the reason he started Starlink, that it would provide the capital to put people
07:20on Mars, to provide the capital to build a system that would send people to Mars.
07:26So, there's a kind of method in his madness.
07:30And so, even though, even I, at this point in time, I'm inclined to say to him, you know,
07:36shouldn't you sort of just be happy with what you achieved or something like that?
07:39I wouldn't do that.
07:40I would never say that.
07:42But, you know, because, you know, a launch of a starship was like $2 billion.
07:48$2 billion.
07:49I mean, you know, that's a lot of money.
07:53And, all right, it goes into the system.
07:55It goes to all the workers.
07:56It goes to all the employees.
07:57It's a circulatory $2 billion.
08:00It goes back into the system.
08:01It's wonderful.
08:02And it's in the financial net or fiscal net, as they say.
08:05So, there's nothing wrong with it.
08:07But, anyway, yeah, no, so that's what he's planning to do.
08:11And so, you know, in a sort of trepid way, I say, okay, we'll try it.
08:18See what we can do.
08:19Let's see how we go.
08:20So, it is interesting, Errol, because in the same breath, as you said, look, this is what we're planning with Donald Trump.
08:27He does say if Kamala Harris gets elected, then that would basically scupper the whole project.
08:32Why is that?
08:32Well, you know, they bring in regulations and they bring in a kind of approach to life that is somewhat foreign to us.
08:47Because, you know, it's the other kind of life.
08:50In other words, people who don't see the, what's the right word?
08:58They don't see the forest for the trees or whatever it is.
09:00They only see the bad things or they don't want to see beyond themselves.
09:05You know, they don't want to think ahead.
09:11I don't know what those kind of people are.
09:13But if they come in, they will find a reason to stop it.
09:18And at the same time, of course, they feather their own nests to make sure that they are very well off in the process.
09:25They're bad people.
09:26And that's why I mean, Kamala Harris was vice president while she's there, chaired the National Space Council and advocated for space exploration.
09:35And she signed 37 countries to the Artemis Accord, promoting peaceful space use.
09:40And she has been a strong supporter of space program.
09:43Do you think it's just really the regulation side which is going to be the problem?
09:47Well, I'm glad to hear that about her.
09:49The Artemis program was a waste of money to start with.
09:53It never really achieved anything.
09:56It was lost from the start.
09:59The Boeing capsule that's up on the space station or has been up on the space station recently is a failure.
10:06Elon has to rescue those two in February, the two astronauts.
10:10You know, what we have here is two different types of human being.
10:16And we have to sort of realize that although they may look in some way similar,
10:22there are different, different species.
10:25These are, there's a different species.
10:27The species thinks differently and it works differently.
10:32And so we have to look at it, that there's some kind of species difference.
10:36So for people in my, like myself, I've always been fortunate.
10:42I've always been the head of my class.
10:45I've always been the head of things.
10:46I've always been very fortunate.
10:48As it happens, my son is the wealthiest in the world, so-called.
10:51So I could actually say I've been fortunate.
10:53And in my, my mindset is that I would take Donald Trump in an instant.
11:01I would never even remotely think of employing someone like Kamala Harris in a business of mine.
11:08I wouldn't think of it for a moment, not even for a second.
11:12I wouldn't be even interested in meeting her.
11:14Whereas I would, I would, whereas I'd swim the Atlantic if I have actually had the opportunity
11:19of saying hello to Donald Trump.
11:20When did that happen?
11:22When did that happen?
11:23Oh, listen.
11:26Anyway, yeah, I know it was years ago, but the thing is, it was just, he didn't know who
11:32I was.
11:32So it's no point in, I just greeted him, you know what I mean?
11:36But so I followed his career, you see, because I was in the same sort of career in this country
11:42as he is, and that is developing rundown areas.
11:45And he developed the west side of Manhattan from a rundown railway siding into the most
11:53beautiful buildings the world has, some of the most beautiful buildings the world has
11:57ever seen, and certainly in America.
11:59And for that, he was given nothing but a hard time by the Democrats.
12:05They just did everything they could to make it hard for him to do that.
12:09And so you have to come to the conclusion that there are two different kinds of people.
12:13There are those who seem to feather their own nests and want to prevent anyone else from
12:18getting ahead to do anything on the grounds that for some reason they think they shouldn't
12:23be doing it.
12:24I don't know why.
12:25And then you've got the other kind of people who just only see the stars.
12:29They don't see anything but going up and trying to do the best they can.
12:35So there are these two different kinds of people.
12:37And the two different kinds of people that are going to vote in this American election
12:42are going to be those two different kinds of people.
12:46The one who is a, as I've noticed, a Democratic woman will come on television or on TikTok or
12:55on Fox or something, and you'll see she's a dowdy woman with glasses, could probably look
13:02much nicer, but looks awful.
13:05And that's an American Democrat female.
13:08And then along comes the presenter on Fox, and it's a blonde beauty.
13:12And you wonder what on earth she's doing presenting on TV.
13:16That's your other species.
13:19That's your other one.
13:20And so fortunately, in my case, I'm with the blonde beauty type and not with the dowdy type.
13:27And I think we've all seen this, you know, and at university, and I'm sure you have, I
13:34have, when I was at university, there was, there was always that sort of crummy, that
13:39always complaining crowd, you know, they all look dandy, and they're always moaning about
13:45everything, you know, and then you had the other crowd who were always making success
13:49of everything.
13:50And the two just could never, ever mix.
13:53And that's what you've got in the world today.
13:55You know, I look at this, as if I go on, this Keir Starmer, he doesn't look like a prime
14:02minister to me.
14:03I don't think he's a bad bloke.
14:06He doesn't look like a prime minister to me.
14:08He looks like a plodder.
14:10He looks like Mr. Plod from the naughty, no, I mean, that's an insult to Mr. Plod.
14:15So, I don't know.
14:17I mean, even Boris, you know, every time I saw him, I thought, God, if I could get hold
14:23of this bloke, God, comb his hair, comb his hair, you know, but he had something about
14:28him, you know, that made you watch him, you know?
14:31Yes.
14:31He was all right.
14:33Well, he always started off, what I loved about it, he sort of started off as the Carlsberg
14:40of politicians, as I would call him, where basically he could reach part of the electorate
14:44that other politicians couldn't reach.
14:46He ended up with this sort of marmite character where basically you either love him or hate him.
14:50But we need personalities in the world, and Elon is certainly a personality, as indeed
14:56is Trump.
14:57But he does have his run-ins.
14:59Everybody has his run-ins.
15:00And one of the things he hasn't done is that they're investigating at the moment about his
15:04takeover of Twitter and where he got his money from and so on and so forth.
15:10And he didn't show up.
15:10That's very bad.
15:11Yeah.
15:12He didn't show up for the SEC.
15:14They want to sanction him now.
15:15What's your take on that?
15:16Do you blame him?
15:17Do you blame him?
15:19I mean, he put together an amount of money that is equivalent to the gross natural product,
15:28if not more, of this country.
15:30And he bought this thing knowing that it's wildly overpriced.
15:37Right.
15:38And he bought this thing knowing that it shouldn't be bothered with this.
15:42He should go and live in Hawaii or some nice place.
15:45Yeah.
15:45But he did this for the people of the world.
15:48You could say, quite honestly, you could say that he did that in the interests of humanity
15:53to stop these bad people from allowing, for example, all sorts of porn and child trafficking
16:01programs, websites on Twitter to go ahead without any trouble.
16:06But anything that promoted the kind of people we like was stopped.
16:14And so he got rid of them.
16:17And having done that at such an enormous cost to himself, I mean, the interest on that money
16:24must be the vicinity of a billion dollars a year, at least.
16:29And now he has to go and justify that he did this with all these proper people who provided
16:38him with the loans or his own money.
16:41I know he put in about 12 or 13 million billion dollars of his own money into it.
16:47He has to go and justify it to a bunch of losers, you know, and, you know, who's who
16:54hope would love it to hear that he was struck by lightning on the way in or something, you
17:00know, who go home at night and and take it out on their children, no doubt.
17:05But, you know, the type of people I'm talking about, their frustrations and, you know, those
17:11are the kind of people he's up against.
17:13It's really difficult.
17:14I mean, just to put it into perspective, the U.S.
17:17Security and Exchange Commission, independent agents of the U.S.
17:20federal government, it's created in the aftermath of the Wall Street crash of 1929.
17:24They're supposed to protect investors from misconduct, promote fairness and efficiency in the
17:28security markets and facilitate capital formation.
17:31And they're investigating his 44 billion acquisition, focusing on whether he followed the law and
17:36disclosing his stock purchases and if his statements were misleading.
17:40Do you think they were?
17:41Well, you know, it was originally a good thing, the SEC, but now it's become a political body,
17:49just like the FBI, just like the CIA.
17:51It doesn't have the interests of people in the United States at heart.
17:56It has some special interests at heart.
17:58So you can say that with impunity because I could be sued for saying that, but that's
18:04fine because I would win in court.
18:06If it was a decent court, I would win because I'm right.
18:10And so they are not doing what they are purported to be doing.
18:15They're trying to make life difficult for Elon.
18:18They're trying to make TwitX suffer and give more space to this hidden body that wants to put Kamala
18:30Harris in, a lady who looks as though she needs to be a little bit less on the drink or something
18:39from what I saw recently.
18:42They want to put her in as president and that's their plan.
18:49And he's in the way.
18:50Elon's in the way.
18:51He wants people to know what's going on.
18:54And that's ridiculous.
18:57So the SEC is simply waving a flag and saying, we are from the wrong side of the spectrum
19:07as far as you're concerned.
19:08We are going to bring you down and we'll find a way.
19:11We'll find that you didn't phone so-and-so on such and such a day before 12 o'clock and
19:16so on and so forth.
19:17Therefore, there's a fine involved in that, you know.
19:20And it's nonsense.
19:21It's, you know, I don't think I can say much more, but let them try.
19:26Let them do it.
19:27Let them try.
19:28I mean, it is interesting.
19:29That's why I go back to the sort of childhood resilience.
19:31And Elon says, I can't make your meaning.
19:32I've got to launch a rocket.
19:33I know.
19:34Well, that's what I was going to say, because all around the world, it seems that everybody's
19:38having a pop at him with his several different companies, whether it's shutting down X,
19:42whether it's talking about the financial regulations, whether it's fights with residents
19:47about SpaceX and so on and so forth.
19:49How does Elon cope with all of those people?
19:54Well, he's got a sort of autistic kind of personality.
20:01I suppose that might be the word, where things sort of bounce off him a bit, you know.
20:06I mean, I remember I told a story about him getting sick over a bunch of business executives
20:12at a dinner table.
20:13Yes.
20:14Once I told you.
20:15And, you know, he was upset about it.
20:18But a few minutes after he left the dinner, he was talking to me about the dog that they
20:22had, you know.
20:23You should clarify the age that he was.
20:25You did tell me.
20:25Remind me of that story quickly.
20:26He was eight years old.
20:27Yes, he was eight years old.
20:28It wasn't recent.
20:30Yes.
20:30You know, I said to him after this, Jesus, why did you eat that stuff that they gave?
20:35He said, well, you told me I have to eat everything.
20:37I said, well, you know, don't eat stuff you can't take.
20:40You can't eat.
20:41Anyway, he said, Dad, did you see they have a great day?
20:43They have a great day in that place.
20:45So he, we've got to get a great day.
20:47So he lets things bounce off him.
20:51You know, as a little boy, when he was seven in grade, seven or eight in grade two, he,
20:58the teachers, the principal of the school phoned me and said to me that would I come in and
21:03see him?
21:04And I thought, oh my, this has got to be, of course, it's about Elon, you know.
21:07So I thought, oh, no, what has Elon done?
21:08And he had this habit as a small boy of telling anyone he met who queried anything he was doing.
21:14Like he used to read quite prolifically as a young boy.
21:16So if he was reading a thick book that some adult would say to him, hey, little boy, are
21:21you really reading that book?
21:23And he would say to the adult, what are you, stupid or something?
21:26Of course, I'm reading it, you know, which didn't go down very well with a lot of adults.
21:32But at any rate, so I thought, oh, my God, he's called the teacher stupid.
21:36So I went in to see the headmaster.
21:39And as it happened, there was a teacher sitting in the room with him.
21:43And there was a woman teacher and she was wringing her hands and cut a long story short.
21:48The headmaster said to me, look, we've come to the conclusion that Elon is retarded.
21:53So I said, well, I knew he wasn't retarded, you see.
21:57So I said, well, you know why?
21:58And they said, well, this woman wringing her hands almost in tears, the teacher, she said,
22:03well, he doesn't listen to me in class.
22:04He looks out the window all the time.
22:06And I can't seem to attract his attention.
22:09No matter what I do, he keeps looking out.
22:11He doesn't even see me.
22:12He doesn't even see me, she said.
22:14And so I went to him and I walked up to his desk and his little desk and I bumped him on the shoulder.
22:20And he turned around and sort of woke up and looked at me and said, the trees are turning green outside.
22:27It was spring, you see, or something like that.
22:30And she said he was looking at the trees instead of listening to me.
22:34And so consequently, they came to a conclusion he's retarded.
22:38So I saved that particular, but Elon was totally non-plussed by that.
22:45When I spoke to him about it, he said, oh, no, no, the teacher, this, that, the other, he doesn't worry about it.
22:49So he doesn't take it too hard, you see.
22:51And going to him and saying they think you're retarded, no, I'm not retarded.
22:55He doesn't take it too hard.
22:56And actually, it's interesting, Errol.
22:59I mean, you use that word and that's a word that he repeated in a tweet.
23:03And again, he got into trouble about it.
23:05It's all about language and so on and so forth.
23:07But it's putting it in perspective.
23:08He was labelled with that word.
23:11Is that why you think he was using it in that context?
23:15Possibly.
23:16You know, I mean, in those days, people didn't mince words.
23:18I mean, they didn't say we think he's academically channeled, channeled.
23:23In those days, when Elon was in grade two, they said he's retarded.
23:28We think he's retarded.
23:29And that was what the normal word was, I suppose.
23:31But I was able to save that thing by saying maybe he doesn't.
23:35Oh, no, no, no.
23:35The headmaster said maybe he doesn't hear properly.
23:39And I jumped on this and I said, I'm going to have his hearing tested.
23:42So that was the end of that.
23:43And we left and we had his hearing tested.
23:44There was nothing wrong with his hearing.
23:45And I actually moved him to another school, which was – and after that, there were no more problems.
23:51But, no, Elon doesn't – you don't really reach him with an insult.
23:58You know, you'd have to be particularly – have some particular knowledge of weakness, of some kind of weakness that he might have.
24:07I can't think of anything.
24:08But so in that respect, Kimball, on the other hand, you could reduce to tears in a moment.
24:13Oh, dear.
24:15How did you reduce him to tears?
24:18Oh, he's very – he's a very arty, emotional guy, you know.
24:23So if you were to – you know, I mean, when Elon – when Kimball got married, he was in tears, you know, at the altar, you know.
24:32Right.
24:32It was really serious business, crying in tears at the altar.
24:37And Elon, of course, when he got married, of course, he just made sure all the famous names were there to have a big wedding.
24:46Which – I mean, how many times has Elon been married?
24:49How many times?
24:49Elon's been married once, I think.
24:53Okay.
24:53Twice, twice.
24:54No, he's been married twice.
24:55He's married to the first one, Jonas Justine, and then to Tallulah.
25:01He divorced her, then remarried her, and then since then he's never been married.
25:04Right.
25:05And Kimball's been married twice.
25:08Okay.
25:09So, you know.
25:10But he's – and how many grandchildren do you now have?
25:14You've got – it's quite a few with Elon, isn't it?
25:16I've got about 20 grandchildren at the moment.
25:18Do you know all their names?
25:20Yes, of course.
25:21You know, they ask me to run them off.
25:23But I do know their names if I see them.
25:25And it is difficult because sometimes when I do see them, I suddenly have a blank, you know.
25:31And then I, you know, have to say, I just need the toilet quickly, you know, and rush to the toilet and look on my phone.
25:37You've got a little crib sheet, have you?
25:38You work on that sort of basis.
25:39Look on my phone.
25:40But Elon, I mean, he was with the artist Grimes, wasn't he?
25:44And that's when he – I think it was Grimes who came up with all these sort of wonderful names for the children.
25:48Was that the main influence?
25:49Well, it was her that came up with the names.
25:50Yeah.
25:51But she's – my daughters tell me – my daughters spend a lot of time – my two daughters there have spent a lot of time with Grimes, who we call Claire, as a matter of fact.
26:00And tell me that she's a wonderful girl, nothing like her stage persona.
26:05Right.
26:06In fact, a very down-to-earth, very wonderful girl.
26:09And so – but I think she is actually a little bit on the odd side because she wanted to put tattoos on the little boy when he was small, and Elon wouldn't have that on his head, in fact.
26:21Oh, really?
26:23Well, you know.
26:24I think that's illegal.
26:25I think it's illegal, certainly, in some countries.
26:27So, at the moment, Elon's got a situation where he has custody of him.
26:32She came up with the names, and Elon doesn't come up with funny names like that.
26:37And we like nice names, of course.
26:41But he has custody of Zex.
26:45We call him Zex now, which is not bad.
26:48It's like Xavier, you know.
26:49Yes.
26:50Xavier, Zex, and X-E-X.
26:53And so he has custody of him, and at last time I took note of things, and she's trying to get him away from Elon.
27:04But Elon has – the courts have given him custody because of – for the sake of the child, you know.
27:10So let's not delve into that.
27:11But funny, you know, the courts in America are still quite conservative, the family courts.
27:20And, you know, they are concerned about child's well-being, you know.
27:24And so he has been able to get custody of –
27:27How old is Zex at the moment?
27:30Zex is four.
27:31Four.
27:32He'll be four shortly.
27:33And Grimes wanted to put a tattoo on X.
27:36Well, he wanted – he wanted to tattoo his head under his hair when he was a baby.
27:44And Elon, as I understood it, I was – explained to him by my daughters that he said, no, he's not prepared to have that done.
27:50But you must understand, the art world is different.
27:53They are different, you know.
27:55In my world, if you've got a tattoo, you're unlikely to get a job in my type of –
28:00Yeah, absolutely.
28:02And you mentioned Japan before.
28:04In Japan, it's basically associated with the Yakuza and things like that.
28:09So this is why they don't have – Japan tends not to have tattoos.
28:13But X at that age, I mean, in certain countries, that would be illegal.
28:17What was the tattoo going to be of?
28:18Do you know?
28:19Oh, I don't know.
28:20Well, you know, I think, you know, they're arty people.
28:25So they see things from an arty point of view.
28:28And, again, it's like a different species.
28:30But it's a nice species, the arty people.
28:32So a lot of the things they do are not bad.
28:35You've made a comment previously about this picture behind me.
28:38And people thought –
28:39The Miro.
28:40The Miro, I love it.
28:41I thought it was a nutcase.
28:43Now, a Miro – I mean, no one can even buy a Miro.
28:46You can probably buy a Belgrave Square apartment for less than a Miro, you know.
28:51Yeah.
28:51I mean, you know, so –
28:54Well, the picture behind me, I knocked that up a bit early, you see.
28:59That's beautiful.
29:01Power of Babel.
29:02That's the one.
29:03That's the one.
29:03Well, yeah.
29:04But anyway, the thing is, so you've got the arty people, and you've got to give them credit.
29:08I mean, without them, life would be horrible without them.
29:13But, again, in my particular sphere, I could never – you know, my sphere doesn't allow people to even be employed if they've got I love mom on my arm or something like that, you know, or whatever tattoo they might think is nice.
29:28Like love, hate, or whatever it is going to be.
29:30Or, you know, something like that.
29:32No, no, it doesn't work.
29:33And so, unfortunately, it's a bit lower deck, you know.
29:36So tattoos are somewhat lower deck, and you can't do it.
29:42Do any of your children have tattoos?
29:45No, not a single –
29:47Elon doesn't have a tattoo?
29:48Not a single one?
29:49Nothing, nothing, nothing.
29:50No, Elon, no, no, no, no, no.
29:53No, no, no.
29:53The body is a temple, you know.
29:55Elon would tell you the body is a temple.
29:56So he's a very religious guy, you know.
29:58I don't know if you know that.
30:00Oh, yeah, he's very religious.
30:01So for him, the body is a temple.
30:03So he will remind you when you smoke or something that the body is a temple.
30:07Do you know that?
30:08Oh, good.
30:09Do you smoke?
30:10Are you a smoker?
30:11Me?
30:12No, no, no.
30:13But he will tell people.
30:14Right.
30:15You do know the body is a temple.
30:16But half the time, they don't know what he said.
30:19So it sort of goes over the head, you know.
30:21Right.
30:21But if somebody lights up, you might – I've heard him say, you know, the body is a temple.
30:26You do know that, don't you, you know.
30:27And I don't think they quite get it.
30:29But anyway, no, tattoos and stuff like that, no, Elon wouldn't do that.
30:37Nobody in the family has done that simply because we aspire to positions that would not look quite – doesn't work.
30:45Sure.
30:46And admittedly, you know, it doesn't matter how you colour it, you wouldn't want to see – you wouldn't – you'd be very surprised if you saw, you know, Keir Starmer roll up his sleeve and it said S-S-S-S-S-A-S.
30:58I love Maggie Thatcher.
30:59Or something.
31:00Yes.
31:01Or, you know, Karl Marx was my best friend or something like that.
31:04Ah, there you go.
31:05Well, you wouldn't be that surprised.
31:06It would look rather weird, you know, because it's just not allowed, unfortunately.
31:11It is interesting.
31:12You talk about around the world and people have different attitudes.
31:15I mean, there's a big debate at the moment about whether you should legalise cannabis, for example.
31:19I mean, what's the family's attitude about drugs and cannabis and so on and so forth and the rules and regulations in place?
31:25Well, we're open-minded about that kind of thing because cannabis has been shown – because in Colorado, we've spent many years in Colorado, they have a lot of health balms and things that you buy that are cannabis-inspired, which are quite good.
31:40And I'm quite surprised cannabis balm put on a rash or something, and away goes the rash, you know.
31:49I have some of that from Colorado, which I bought in Colorado.
31:52And Colorado introduced cannabis shops about 10 years ago, so you could buy cannabis if you wanted it.
32:01And I think they're all in bankrupt because nobody wanted it when it was easy to get, you know.
32:07But, yeah, no, I don't think we have any specific – none of us smoke, so we're not really smokers.
32:14Not to say we're opposed to smokers.
32:16You know, it depends on your generation.
32:19You know, my dad was a chain smoker.
32:21You know, my father, he came from the Second World War, because he's a lifeline, you know.
32:27So it depends what you've had to put up with, I suppose.
32:30Sure.
32:31I mean, the health benefits of cannabis and so on and so forth, I mean, people have spoken about that quite widely.
32:35You have CBD, and it's very useful for certain conditions.
32:38What about other drugs?
32:39What's your attitude to other drugs?
32:40But I can tell you something quite interesting.
32:42When my children were first at university in the United States, I was quite concerned about the drug stories.
32:52Right.
32:52So when all three of them were at university, that's Kimball – Elon Kimball and Tosca.
32:58Tosca, by the way, owns Passionflix, which is like Netflix.
33:02Okay.
33:02Very interesting subject.
33:04Anyway, an incredibly capable woman.
33:07Oh, we'll get Tosca on as well.
33:09We should have them on.
33:10We should talk about that.
33:11Absolutely marvelous and beautiful-looking girl.
33:13But at any rate, where was I?
33:16Drugs.
33:17Drugs.
33:17You're talking about drugs at university.
33:18When they went to university, I asked them about it.
33:24You know, I was concerned because they were really like little boys when they left me.
33:29You know, people have asked me when they were in South Africa.
33:32I received a question the other day.
33:34Did I try and prevent – did they leave South Africa to avoid the military?
33:39In fact, I knew that there was going to be the military because I was a citizen force officer.
33:44I was in CO of a squadron, in fact.
33:48And I knew they were liable for that, for being called up.
33:52But they were little boys.
33:53So I never discussed it with them.
33:55They were little boys.
33:55They were teenagers who'd seen the world.
33:58But at heart, they were still really boys, if you understand what I mean.
34:03Elon left South Africa when he was 17.
34:05I mean, he was still a boy.
34:06He was a little boy.
34:08And so when they got over to America, I asked them about the drugs.
34:13What's the story?
34:14Is anybody coming to you with drugs to buy?
34:17And, you know, I was concerned that they might think it's a good idea or something like that.
34:21And all three of them told me this, that no one in all the time that – this was at least a year or so, two years into their studies –
34:30has ever offered them a drug in the whole time that they've ever been at university.
34:34Ever offered them a drug.
34:37All three of them told me that.
34:39Dad, we've never, ever been offered a drug.
34:40No one has ever said to us, would you like the drug?
34:42And I looked into it and I discovered that 90% of the drug problem in America at the time was in the black community.
34:49And not in so much in the white, high-class university community, if you know what I mean.
34:56And so I was happy to hear that.
34:59And then I subsequently had dinner with a woman who was a professor at UCLA.
35:03And she said to me – she was a professor, a very smart sort of woman at a dinner in America.
35:11And she said to me – I discussed the same thing with her.
35:14And she said to me, oddly enough, whether you want to believe it or not, she said,
35:17I've been teaching at UCLA for, I don't know what the length of time was.
35:20It was like 23 years or something.
35:21I said, I have never had to take up myself in the war against drugs.
35:29I've never had to do anything about it.
35:31Never had to involve myself in any kind of war against drugs.
35:35As a professor at UCLA, I said, oh, okay, cool.
35:40So that's the B and the N of it.
35:43That's A and the B or A and Z of it.
35:45And I can add, for example, that with all this transgender stuff that you read about now on the media or see on the media,
35:52I've just spent eight weeks in the United States, in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia.
35:59You see absolutely nothing, nothing, nothing whatsoever of transgenderism or weird things going on.
36:07It looks like the best of the best society you could ever have right now in America.
36:14So a lot of this is put on by the media.
36:17And that's what I always say about the media because it's important.
36:20And what I love about this, it's you, it's raw.
36:23We have exactly that sort of side.
36:25But for people who are watching this, the final thought, and then I'll let you get on until next time.
36:30For people watching this program who are suffering with addiction or suffering because of drugs in their own family,
36:37what's the final word of advice you would give them?
36:41Well, I have the experience of, I married a woman whose child was hooked as a, I didn't know anything about drugs at that time,
36:52who was addicted to heroin.
36:56And it took many years and the use of some kind of drug that was invented in Germany after the war, methadone,
37:07and methadone, to take this child off the drugs and rehabilitate that person.
37:15But it took a lot of time and a lot of patience and the will of the person to get off it and to, you know, to achieve that.
37:25And so I have, in fact, been in the position myself where when that particular child was desperate for heroin
37:31and I have gone and bought the heroin, I have gone into the heroin districts or districts in the street
37:39in Cape Town at the time and bought the heroin from dealers on the street that they take the heroin out of their mouths.
37:48They have it in little packets in their mouths.
37:50They take it out of their mouths and give it to you out of their mouths and at a traffic light, for example, in the dark.
37:56And that's how you're able to get it.
37:58And I was able to, I did that because this child needed the heroin.
38:04But slowly the child was taken off the heroin so that eventually totally off the heroin.
38:11And so the question comes, how do they get onto heroin?
38:16And so obviously it's something that is presented to youngsters in communities that are not well policed.
38:26And it's a problem that is, I suppose, everywhere.
38:34I don't have a great answer to it.
38:37I believe Cape Town is a drug capital, has been a drug capital.
38:41And I know you can buy heroin.
38:42I can go right now and buy heroin in Cape Town.
38:45And so they come across the border with heroin in America.
38:51They fentanyl, I don't know anything about.
38:53And they actually killed people.
38:55The people die with this fentanyl stuff.
38:58And so what we're dealing with here is a policing problem, a government problem, to try and put an end to this.
39:06I think it's a war.
39:07I mean, it's a war against drugs.
39:08And unfortunately, youngsters are victims.
39:14They see this as a way out, I think, a way out of unhappiness or some feeling of despair or something.
39:22They say, take this, you might feel better.
39:24I've never had anyone offer me a drug in my entire existence.
39:28So I wouldn't even know.
39:29But I have actually bought heroin for somebody to use.
39:35And I would say that at the time that this happened, I went to the police in South Africa.
39:41And I said to them, I know who is selling heroin on the streets.
39:47They said to me that they're too busy to do anything about it.
39:52I said, but you're not busy.
39:53There's a whole lot of you here.
39:55And I can take you right now to the place where I can buy heroin.
39:58I can point out to people that are selling heroin on the street.
40:02They said, we're too busy.
40:03I said, but you're not doing anything.
40:05These were not blacks.
40:06They were white people in Cape Town, white policemen.
40:10And then I realized there's something wrong.
40:13And so then I was given a number to phone, which was the liaison chief of the South African police force.
40:19And I spoke to this person, and I was told that he is a very important commissioner of some kind.
40:26And he will phone me, and he will discuss it with me.
40:30So he phoned me in due course, caught me, and when I say caught me on the phone,
40:36and he spoke to me for about 30 minutes telling me all the wonderful things the South African police are doing
40:43to prevent this type of thing.
40:46And I said, well, you know, I don't think you're doing enough.
40:48But anyway, it wasn't two or three months later that this commissioner was arrested on 102 counts of drug dealing.
40:56He's presently serving 21 years in the South African prisons.
41:01If he's still there or hasn't been released without anybody knowing, his name is Arno Lamour.
41:09That's his name, Arno Lamour, Commissioner Arno Lamour.
41:13As far as I know, he's in prison.
41:14He was the same person who phoned me to tell me that they're doing everything they can.
41:19He was found guilty on 102 counts of drug dealing.
41:23So that's where the problem lies.
41:25And I think we keep having to look at that.
41:29Errol, it's been an absolute revelation, a delight to have you as always.
41:32You're coming on regularly.
41:33We keep unpacking those stories.
41:35You can guarantee that the Musk family is the single-handedly ensuring we get great news from around the world.
41:42But for now, Errol Musk, thank you very much for joining me.
41:46Thank you, Andrew.
41:47Take care.
41:47Bye-bye.
41:48Bye.
41:48Bye.
41:55Well, there you have it.
41:57And we're going to be having a lot more from Errol Musk coming up over the course of the week.
42:02And as I say, if you've got any questions, any thoughts on any of that, then do get in touch.
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42:19It's always a joy to have you.
42:21Now, every week I get asked by different channels to look at the newspapers.
42:26And so a quick review of what's going on on this glorious day.
42:30The most papers today are talking about Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer's party conference speech,
42:36which made a number of Wednesday's front pages.
42:39The Times pulls out his PM's vow, turn up our collar and face the storm.
42:44Well, yes, he's certainly had that over the last few days.
42:48Two-tier Keir and his free gear.
42:51What are the optics on that?
42:52And I've spoken on a number of channels about that.
42:54My biggest thing is about the hypocrisy.
42:58You'll remember that when Boris Johnson and Carrie, Carrie doesn't live here anymore,
43:02according to 10 Downing Street, about the wallpaper.
43:06And you had the headlines screaming, interior resigns.
43:10Well, all of a sudden, here's Keir with his free gear and the revelations.
43:15The optics are not good.
43:17And the reality is that as soon as, in the same breath, you're taking away winter fuel allowance for the pensioners.
43:24And then all of a sudden, you're talking about thousands of pounds for a pair of glasses.
43:27Well, the reason it's thousands of pounds is so that he can see the hypocrisy of the whole thing.
43:33As always, let me know your views on a two-tier free gear Keir.
43:39Very interesting stuff.
43:41Basically, that's what he's saying.
43:42Turn up our collar and face the storm.
43:44Well, interesting advice, sir.
43:45But not very helpful when you've got a choice between eating or heating.
43:49Also, the address is basically sketched out the attempt to refocus the government after days dominated by rouse over gifts and infighting at number 10.
43:59What also hit the headlines is quite romantic, really, is Sir Keir's onstage kiss with his wife, Victoria.
44:05That makes a splash.
44:06Looking at the Telegraph, that says the Prime Minister rehashed a popular Brexit slogan as he vowed to take back control of the NHS, education, other key policy areas.
44:17What matters to you?
44:18The NHS, we collapsed them during COVID, all the things.
44:22It's then gone through that sort of stage where you can't get a doctor's appointment.
44:26If you've got problems in your area, let me know.
44:29But fixing the NHS, and I often say that one of the efficiencies that we can introduce is by looking at artificial intelligence and how that can basically be used for making everything more streamlined.
44:41We have to be careful, as I say, about data because data is the new currency and we need to look at that sort of side.
44:49But sharing information to basically for the greater good.
44:53And that's what AI, the artificial intelligence, is basically scraping all the different research and tools to basically come up with a solution.
45:01And there have been seismic advances in basically helping the lame to walk.
45:07There are people who've been paralysed, have basically gained that sort of stuff.
45:10Neuralink, Elon, his company, they're basically helping people to see phenomenal advances in that sort of side.
45:19But there is the downside.
45:20I always say that artificial intelligence is our greatest human achievement, but also potentially our biggest existential threat.
45:27Let me know what you think.
45:29I have lots of views on that sort of stuff as well.
45:31But that's what they're saying.
45:32Variations on the phrase have cropped up in 15 times across the 54 minute speech.
45:37You know, this is a Brexit slogan.
45:40Take back control.
45:41Take back control.
45:42That was his little message.
45:43The paper says it's an attempt to connect with reform voters.
45:47Well, that's interesting.
45:48The rise of reform.
45:49And I know a lot of people in the reform party, obviously, Nigel and Richard Tice.
45:53I saw him at the weekend.
45:54And David Bull.
45:55I was a regular on his show.
45:58Glorious.
45:58And Ben Habib, who no longer have interesting stuff there.
46:01But they're real characters.
46:03And Lee Anderson as well.
46:04And what's happened?
46:05If you look at the voting in the last election, this is the big thing.
46:09Talk about democracy.
46:10You get the Liberal Dems.
46:11I predicted.
46:12I has always managed to get it pretty close.
46:15But I predicted.
46:15Bang on.
46:16The Liberal Dems got about 12% of the vote.
46:19And they got 72 seats.
46:2172 seats.
46:21So many congratulations to them.
46:23And Ed Davey and his interesting tactics.
46:25But reform got 2% more than that.
46:28They got 14, over 14% of the votes.
46:32But only ended up with five seats.
46:34Is that fair?
46:35What does that say about our democracy?
46:37Let me know.
46:39It's always interesting to hear your views.
46:4110 years to end zombie apocalypse.
46:44That's what the Metro screams.
46:46I mean, horrendous stuff on these zombie knives and so on and so forth.
46:51The absolute ban on that.
46:52Why anybody wants to own a zombie knife for legitimate purposes is beyond me.
46:58And I'll maybe hang it on the wall for artistic purposes.
47:01But anybody caught on the streets with that sort of stuff.
47:03We need to stop this.
47:04It is abhorrent.
47:06Starmer's kiss also tops the Metro.
47:08A home for every hero is the headline.
47:11And a reference to Sir Keir's pledge to house all military veterans, young care leavers and victims of domestic abuse.
47:17Home Secretary Yvette Cooper also promises to halve knife crime and also gets a write-up.
47:22The Guardian, if you have a look at that.
47:24Starmer's warning of trade-offs include new prisons and electricity pylons near homes.
47:28Our four are the four grounded by the Guardian.
47:33The report also cites aides as saying the PM has now started to address concerns that he had been too gloomy, too gloomy since taking office.
47:41Do you reckon he's been too gloomy?
47:42Well, I'll tell you what.
47:43He's had lots of things.
47:44One of the things I find when people are elected, you go back to what their promises were.
47:48And one of the things that resonated with me during the election campaign, and I warned about this, is when they said we're not going to increase tax for the ordinary working person or whatever that is.
47:58What's an ordinary working person?
48:00So that means they're going to look at other taxes like capital gains and inheritance tax.
48:04And we're already seeing, well, things are being slashed.
48:06So it may not be an increased direct increase.
48:09But the money in your pocket, that's the most important thing.
48:12It's the talk about change.
48:13That was the other big theme in the election.
48:15Well, it's the change in your pocket that they should be focusing on and feeling better.
48:20You know, if you're looking stateside, Trump is saying to the various people, the electorate, well, do you feel better today than you did four years ago when I was your president?
48:29Well, that's an interesting question.
48:31Work on that sort of basis.
48:33We've also got in the Financial Times that leads on Sir Keir's promise to repair Britain and he walked in sort of stark choices ahead.
48:39It also features in a report on China's aggressive package of new growth measures and another HSBC and JP Morgan unwittingly processing payments to companies run by the late Russian mercenary leader.
48:53Have a look at all that sort of side.
48:55These stories will keep coming out.
48:57But finally, we've got a tough love.
48:59That is how the Daily Mirror characterizes Sir Keir's Liverpool address.
49:03The prime minister plead to British nationals to leave Lebanon also makes the front page worrying times there.
49:08We're living in a very diseased information age and I always say the first casualty of war is the truth.
49:17And what I did on the Mudcrakes is get lots of different voices.
49:20I wouldn't necessarily agree with them, but it's so vital that we don't just ask the questions, but question those answers.
49:27And we need to hear different voices.
49:28I tell you what, it's been a phenomenal experience.
49:30100 programmes I did for TNT and because it was such a long programme, it was a whole hour dedicated to one subject,
49:37that we could do a really deep dive, keep asking questions.
49:40We looked at 9-11, we looked at Covid, we looked at JFK and all those sort of things.
49:45A lot of people would dismiss those as conspiracy theories.
49:47But actually, you only need to be right once with your conspiracy theory to do that.
49:51And so many revelations, things about false flags, looking at those throughout history.
49:57It's a fascinating insight.
49:58I really enjoyed the journey.
49:59And we'll be doing more and more of those.
50:01You know, we have to continue questioning everything.
50:05I always say that, I said it in my interview, my wonderful chat rather, more than a conversation, I think, with Errol.
50:11That's the best way of putting it.
50:12I say, look, if you don't read the newspapers, you're ill-informed.
50:16And if you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed.
50:19Well, we're drowning in a sea of misinformation and disinformation.
50:23And never has it been more important to question everything.
50:27In 2012, I think it was, the word or two words of the year were fake news, epitomised by Donald as the poster boy for that.
50:37Well, last year, the word of the year was AI.
50:40You combine AI with fake news and it's a dangerous fusion.
50:45So watch out for that.
50:46And you'll know that I do a regular series called Fake or Fact, Andrew Heavon's Fake or Fact,
50:51where we look at stories, we look at images that are out there and videos that are out there.
50:55Because they used to say the camera never lies.
50:58Well, that's the biggest lie of all.
51:01And you'll recall in the early days of Pope in a puffer.
51:04You saw those early images.
51:06And the devil may like Prada.
51:08Well, the Pope prefers a puffer.
51:10But you then had, you know, the fake Drake and the weekend and that collaboration that fooled the world.
51:16It's getting more and more powerful.
51:17You have to question.
51:19Seeing is no longer believing.
51:21It is perception is the greatest deception, is what I say.
51:24Watch out for that.
51:26More papers then.
51:27The mail leads on the Ministry of Defence, sending 700 troops to Cyprus to prepare for the possible evacuation of British nationals from Lebanon.
51:34We're living in such a dangerous time.
51:36And it's working.
51:37We're on the brink of World War III if we're not careful.
51:41And interestingly, whatever people are saying, and I've asked a number of people on the show,
51:46Well, who do you think could get us peace out of Biden?
51:50Well, not Biden, Harris, obviously, but Harris if she were to be elected, and Trump.
51:56And a lot of people are basically saying, well, they're more likely that Trump would get us peace.
52:00Because the world leaders around everywhere, you know, in China, in Russia, in North Korea, they're scared of Trump because he's a bit unpredictable.
52:10Again, let me know your views.
52:13The I, the I is talking about, basically, the EU is prepared to shorten the time it lasts to Kyra's government to allow under-30s to remain in the UK for, basically, according to the I.
52:26So how long can these under-30s remain in the UK for? Well, that's what they, they're prepared to shorten that.
52:32The paper says it's possible deal with Brussels could help unlock new agreements with Europe on security and trade.
52:39So Brexit, get Brexit done, was Boris's mantra when he was, for that particular election, is Sir Keir's get Brexit undone?
52:47Again, let me know your views. And is that what you wanted?
52:50Because, again, this is, now he's back in power. That's him.
52:52A good positive one in the Daily Express. Kate, back at work to prepare for Christmas concert.
53:00The Princess of Wales showed her determination to return to work, the Daily Express reports, as she said, about planning a Christmas concert on Tuesday.
53:07They tend to get these Christmas concerts earlier and earlier.
53:10I remember doing a lot of TV shows where they basically record their Christmas specials in the summer.
53:16And it's quite funny seeing these Christmas trees up.
53:18But we celebrate Christmas every day, virtually.
53:20Anyway, there's a glorious photograph on the paper of Catherine, Prince Louis and Princess Charlotte attending a royal carol service at Westminster Abbey in 2023.
53:30And she's accompanied, basically accompanies that story.
53:32The Princess 42 has taken some time away from public engagements whilst undergoing treatment for cancer.
53:38And horrendous.
53:38There will be people watching at the moment who have loved ones or made themselves be suffering from cancer or other illnesses.
53:45To have to do that in the public eye just adds to the difficulty.
53:49So our thoughts are obviously with there as well.
53:53The Sun leads on exclusive, not a very flattering picture, but Phil, I'm back, he says.
53:59On TV, 16 months after sacking, he opens his heart on Survival Show.
54:04Well, this is the Survival.
54:06Basically, The Sun reports on Philip Schofield's TV comeback, 16 months after he left ITV's This Morning programme.
54:12The paper says Mr. Schofield has filmed a one-man survival show for Channel 5.
54:17Well, I can tell you, I saw that show when I was down in Cannes at the TV market.
54:22I go to that every year or twice a year, actually.
54:23We have one in March-April time called MIP.
54:26And then we have another one in October called MIP.com.
54:29And every year I present the Drama Awards down there.
54:33It's glorious with Lily Ono and the wonderful Japanese team there.
54:37Brilliant team, it is.
54:38And I really enjoy doing that.
54:40So I'll be presenting the Drama Awards.
54:41But I saw this particular show that Philip Schofield was on.
54:45It was, as I say, recorded some time ago, actually.
54:47So I was there in March and saw that.
54:50This is going to be for, it's a one-man survival show for Channel 5,
54:53in which he will discuss the period since he admitted to having an affair with a younger co-worker.
54:59Philip's back.
55:00What's your views on that?
55:01Is that something?
55:02Is it right that he should be back?
55:03Should everybody be given a second chance?
55:06Also, the Daily Star.
55:07The Daily Star never ceases to provide glorious stuff.
55:11Nessie reveals a wicked sense of humour as she plays pranks on boaters.
55:16Boo, it says.
55:17Loch Ness Funster.
55:19Apparently what they say, there's a father and son.
55:21Were claiming to have been attacked, attacked no less, by the Loch Ness Monster while out canoeing.
55:27And both Geoff Potts and his son Chris say they felt something strike their vessel from below.
55:32Can you believe it?
55:33Can you believe it?
55:34The paper asks, they come up.
55:36The pun is mightier than the sword.
55:40The other thing I should say, glorious things as well, is what's going on.
55:44We have a number of things.
55:46As a special, many years ago I released a book called
55:51The Book of Failure.
55:53Andrew Eborn's Book of Failure.
55:54You've got to remember it's mine.
55:55And this was a series of articles which I did for an industry publication called The Drum.
56:01And everybody writes books about success,
56:03but very few people write books about the failure that led to that success.
56:09So basically I was commissioned to do a series of articles.
56:12It was turned into one book.
56:13And it's now in its second edition with a foreword by my good chum, Mike Reid.
56:19As a little celebration, I put a link in the title below.
56:23There's just a couple on eBay for virtually next to nothing.
56:26Those who are quick, fastest finger first, will get a chance to get a copy of those.
56:32Go and get one now and get a couple.
56:34They're very rare unsigned copies.
56:36Rare unsigned copies.
56:37And it's in second edition.
56:38The Andrew Eborn Book of Failure, a shameless plug.
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56:48And do let me know your suggestions as to guests and anybody else you think would be great to have on the show.
56:55I'm here all the time.
56:57We're looking forward to all of that.
57:00But for me, for now, thank you very much for joining me.
57:03And I look forward to seeing you next time.
57:05Do, as I say, do subscribe.
57:07I'll be back again tomorrow.
57:08We're going to play more of the Keir interviews.
57:11Not the Keir interviews.
57:12Oh, do that as well.
57:13You know, he's very welcome.
57:14We could get him on.
57:15What do you reckon?
57:16What are the questions that you would ask Keir Starmer?
57:20Let me know.
57:22Also, let me know what's your basically turn around and anything you want to ask Errol.
57:27And we can make that make sense as well.
57:30It has been such a joy.
57:31Thank you so much for your patience as we work out all the wonderful technology, work out, get those hamster wheels spinning as fast as we possibly can.
57:40Any tips that you've got on the lighting and stuff like that?
57:43Any tips as to contents?
57:44Any thoughts?
57:45Because I know a lot of people are sitting at home and they're doing their own podcast.
57:49They're doing their own other bits and pieces.
57:51I will continue on more platforms than Paddington.
57:53I've had the joy of, I was on Times Radio this week.
57:56We've done the BBC.
57:57We've done our good friends on both sides of the rivers in Paddington and also in London Bridge.
58:02So I continue doing that around the world.
58:04But also, there's an extra platform here.
58:06And the idea, as I say, this is going to be your voice.
58:09I want to hear from you.
58:10I've been Andrew Eborn.
58:11You've been great.
58:12Thank you so much for joining me.
58:13I look forward to seeing you.