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00:00President Trump attending Pope Francis' funeral in Rome this morning as concerns mount about our judicial system here at home.
00:08Both the president and the DOJ are fiercely defending the arrest of two judges for interfering in the administration's...
00:16...integration. Welcome to another hour of Fox News Live. I'm Alicia Acuna in Denver.
00:22Alicia, great to be with you. Hour two, here we go. I'm Griff Jenkins in New York.
00:26Now we begin with Madeline Rivera at the White House with the latest on the arrest of these judges. Hi, Maddie.
00:33Good morning, Griff. This is a major escalation of the administration's immigration efforts.
00:38It's also the latest flashpoint between them and the courts.
00:42Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan is charged with concealing an illegal alien and obstructing an official proceeding.
00:49The FBI arrested Dugan Friday after Homeland Security officials say she helped Eduardo Flores Ruiz avoid arrests at the Milwaukee County Courthouse last week.
00:59Officials are accusing her of misdirecting ICE agents for a man they say has a domestic abuse record.
01:05She goes out in the hallway, screams at the immigration officers. She's furious, visibly shaken, upset, sends them off to talk to the chief judge.
01:16She comes back in the courtroom, you're going to believe this, takes the defendant and the defense attorney back in her chambers, takes them out of private exit and tells them to leave.
01:25Meantime, in New Mexico, former county magistrate judge Joel Cano is charged with tampering with evidence.
01:33Justice Department officials say Cano hosted an alleged Trenda Aragua gang member in their home.
01:39Democrats, though, say the arrest of the judges is another attempt by the president to undermine the judiciary.
01:44I think what what happened here was just showboating.
01:49They're just trying to have this show of force.
01:52And in the process of doing this in a courthouse where people need to go for court proceedings, they're scaring people away from participating in the process.
01:59Switching now to the international front in Rome, where the pope's funeral also became a hub for international diplomacy.
02:05President Trump met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at St. Peter's Basilica before the service.
02:11White House comms director Stephen Chung said the talks were productive and that more details will follow.
02:16So we'll wait for that. Griffin Alicia, back to you.
02:19All right. Madeline Rivera live for us on the North Lawn.
02:22Maddie, thank you. You got it.
02:24Attorney General Pam Bondi backing the decision to arrest those two judges this week over their handling of illegal migrants.
02:31Listen.
02:32She put the lives of our law enforcement officers at risk.
02:36She put the lives of citizens at risk, a street chase, which is absurd that that had to happen.
02:43But, yes, she put a lot of people at danger, in danger.
02:47That judge did it.
02:48So did the other judge.
02:49Judge Cano is charged with they were allegedly giving him assault rifles, AK-47s, AR-15s, with a suppressor, a known TDA member,
03:00letting him go to a shooting range to refine and perfect his shooting skills.
03:06What's happened to our judiciary is beyond me.
03:09And the Attorney General went on to say that no one is above the law.
03:12Joining us, former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Tom Dupree.
03:15So, Tom, let's go right to that.
03:17I mean, was, was, and we have the two cases, but I want to specifically talk about Wisconsin first.
03:23And that is, was there a case that stands up in a court of law to arrest Hannah Dugan?
03:31Was it showboating, like the Milwaukee mayor says, Kevlar Johnson calling it showboating?
03:36Or was it a case that no one is above the law, as Bondi says, and this was justified?
03:43I don't see this as a case of showboating.
03:45We've heard from the Attorney General and we heard from the federal agents who were on the scene
03:48that this judge allegedly engaged in a pretty disturbing course of conduct.
03:52She obviously did not want the federal agents to execute the warrant and take this person into federal custody.
04:00And again, according to the allegations are very serious is that she basically escorted him out
04:05through a secret exit and did everything she could to hustle him out of the courthouse and security.
04:10And that ended up in, as the Attorney General reported, a pretty extraordinary scene outside the courthouse
04:15when the federal agents literally had to chase the guy down the street as he was running away from them.
04:19It's not exactly judicious behavior by the judge.
04:22And put your deputy AG hat back on for a moment, if you will.
04:27And if I were bringing to you a case of a judge and his wife that were harboring an alleged
04:35Trendyaragua gang member that was allowed access to guns and could show you the tattoos,
04:43the evidence that ties him to the gang, as well as the evidence that shows that he was residing
04:50in this casita on the Cano's property, would you see that as justified to go out and arrest him?
04:59Well, I would.
05:00Look, I mean, the fact is, is here, too, you have what is allegedly just extreme, extraordinary behavior.
05:06I mean, no one in our society should be engaging in that sort of conduct, harboring gang members,
05:11giving them assault weapons and that sort of thing.
05:14And the fact that someone is a judge or a former judge doesn't give them a pass to do this sort of conduct.
05:20So, again, look, everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
05:23These are all just allegations.
05:24But based on these very serious allegations, it's hard for me to see how you could characterize this
05:29as showboating rather than simply enforcing the laws of the United States.
05:33And, Tom, I want to show, I did this in the last hour, but it really struck me,
05:37Senator Amy Klobuchar, who is a former prosecutor from Hennepin County, she put this up.
05:44She says, this is not normal.
05:45The administration's arrest of a sitting judge in Wisconsin is a drastic move that threatens the rule of law.
05:51While we don't have all the details, this is a grave step and undermines our system of checks and balances.
05:56We know the details, although there are allegations yet to be played out.
06:00But it strikes me that maybe some Democrats may be missing the point of the fundamentals of the rule of law.
06:08Well, I think what the senator is missing here is that this is not a situation in which these judges were arrested for performing their judicial duties.
06:17Right. This is not a case where the judges rendered some decision that the administration didn't like.
06:22And the administration said, let's address these judges.
06:25Instead, what these judges did is what, if any other member of society did, would be viewed in most quarters as a criminal offense.
06:33In other words, they were not acting in their capacity as judges, hearing cases, deciding cases, administering the law.
06:39They were, in one instance, escorting, trying to hustle someone out to evade federal arrest.
06:44In the other situation, they were allegedly harboring gang members and giving them weapons.
06:48So, again, I don't really see this as a dire threat to the separation of powers because these judges are not being penalized for exercising their proper judicial functions.
06:57Yeah, it's pretty remarkable.
06:58Once you dig a little bit into the case of the case out of New Mexico and you read the criminal complaint about this guy, Christian Ortega Lopez, and on the property of the Canos, they say this.
07:12They say the defendant was introduced to Nancy Cano's daughter, April, who possessed a large number of firearms.
07:18The defendant advised that April allowed him to hold and sometimes shoot various firearms.
07:22Then he goes on to say the defendant advised he knew it was illegal for him to possess firearms.
07:30This judge and wife are looking at quite significant charges, perhaps more so than even in the case of Hannah Dugan.
07:40Look, from my perspective, it is inexplicable how these things could have happened because you would think of all people, judges are the ones that we look to to enforce the rule of law,
07:50to understand what is legal and illegal in our society.
07:53But again, based on the allegations, it sounds like both of these judges, both in Wisconsin and Milwaukee, knew that what they were doing was not right under the law.
08:02It was violating federal law, was frustrating federal law, obstructing federal law.
08:06And yet they went ahead and did it anyways.
08:08So when Judge Cano resigned, the State Judicial, Standard Judicial Commission in New Mexico petitioned their state's Supreme Court to remove Cano for harboring an illegal alien that was suspected of being a TDA gang member.
08:26Then the Supreme Court in New Mexico concurred with the commission and barred him for life.
08:32What do you see as the future in the case of the Wisconsin judge, Hannah Dugan, and her chances of continuing to serve on the bench?
08:42Well, I mean, to say the least, there's been a serious shadow cast over her ability to continue to serve in light of this conduct.
08:48And I think we will see as the judicial process moves forward, you know, as I said earlier, everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence.
08:54And it is entirely possible that she will come forward with evidence explaining why what she thought she was doing was lawful, why she didn't have any intent to act in a criminal way by harboring illegal aliens or by obstructing a federal proceeding.
09:08And ultimately, if this case moves ahead, it will be submitted to a jury, which will decide whether or not she actually intended to and did, in fact, violate the federal criminal laws of the United States.
09:17So in the case of the Wisconsin case, the legal alien from Mexico, Eduardo Flores Ruiz, is accused of pretty significant domestic violence and strangulation.
09:30Is it lost on anyone in this case that Judge Dugan just shepherded this illegal migrant out the back door with the victim's family in the court right in front of him?
09:44And Griff, that is what makes this so peculiar from my perspective.
09:49In other words, that this individual that she was doing her utmost, allegedly violating federal law to protect, is someone who does not seem to be deserving of sympathy.
09:58He's accused of very serious offensive, battery, domestic violence.
10:02You have the actual victims in the courtroom.
10:04And I understand this judge is not a fan of the Trump administration's immigration enforcement policy.
10:09But to exercise her sympathy, going so far as to allegedly break federal law in favor of an individual like this, who by virtually all accounts poses a serious danger, is inexplicable to my mind.
10:23And Tom, lastly, before I run out of time, just switching quick gears, a story that didn't get a lot of attention in the media.
10:29But the DOJ announced that they had arrested a TDA high-ranking gang member, indicted him.
10:36He was arrested in Colombia, and he's being extradited back to the U.S. to face charges.
10:41And it's the first of terrorism charges to be brought against a TDA gang member.
10:47Remember, this all goes back to the administration labeling them foreign terrorist organization.
10:53What's your reaction to that?
10:55My reaction is the administration is upping the ante.
10:59You know, certainly there's not a lot of precedent for charging people who have gang connections under terrorism statutes.
11:06Not to say that that's not something they can prove under the law.
11:09But what it does reflect is that the administration is very serious about pursuing the most serious possible charges against these individuals,
11:15which come, of course, with very serious penalties under federal law for conviction.
11:19It's going to be an important case to follow and see where it goes.
11:22Tom Dupree, thank you for your insight and time. Have a great weekend.
11:26Thanks. You too.
11:27All right. Coming up, President Trump, is he getting any closer to striking a deal between Russia and Ukraine?
11:33Or is the U.S. preparing to walk away?
11:35And later, why tonight's White House Correspondents' Dinner is no laughing matter.
11:40More than 250,000 mourners descending on Rome today for the funeral of Pope Francis.
11:46World leaders joining for a mass at St. Peter's Basilica before the 88-year-old pontiff was laid to rest at St. Mary Major.
11:54Pope Francis died of a stroke on Monday, hours after delivering an Easter blessing in meeting with Vice President J.D. Vance.
12:01President Trump attended the funeral with First Lady Melania, calling Pope Francis a good man who loved the world.
12:08Alicia?
12:08Griff, meanwhile, President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky holding a productive meeting today in Rome ahead of Pope Francis' funeral.
12:17Stephanie Bennett has the latest from London.
12:20Stephanie?
12:21Alicia, hello.
12:22Yes, they met for about 15 minutes, so very quick meeting.
12:26But it's the first time they've been face-to-face since that explosive meeting at the White House back in February.
12:33Now, according to Zelensky's office, the pair were supposed to meet again later today, but due to tight schedules after the funeral, President Trump went directly to board Air Force One back to the U.S.
12:43Nevertheless, the White House said their discussion was very productive and that more details would be released later.
12:49On X, Zelensky said they had a good meeting and discussed a lot one-to-one, saying, quote,
12:55hoping for results on everything we covered, protecting lives of our people, full and unconditional ceasefire, reliable and lasting peace that will prevent another war from breaking out.
13:05Very symbolic meeting that has potential to become historic if we achieve joint results.
13:10Thank you, POTUS.
13:11Now, President Zelensky was met with public applause as he entered St. Peter's Square.
13:15Both presidents also met with U.K. Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer and French President Emmanuel Macron, who has sought to mediate between the two since that argument.
13:24After arriving into Italy Friday night, President Trump said on social media that Russia and Ukraine should meet for very high-level talks to end the three-year war.
13:33Russian President Vladimir Putin was not in Rome today as he faces an arrest warrant issued by the International Criminal Court accused of war crimes.
13:41But his special envoy, Steve Witkoff, met with Putin in Moscow Friday.
13:45Trump said both sides were very close to a deal without giving further details.
13:50Now, President Trump, he posted on Truth Social this afternoon addressing Russia attacks earlier this week.
13:57He wrote, in part, there was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas, cities and towns over the last few days.
14:04It makes me think that maybe he doesn't want to stop the war.
14:07He's just tapping me along and has to be dealt with differently through banking or secondary sanctions.
14:13Too many people are dying.
14:15Of course, earlier this week, 12 people died and 90 others were injured in Kiev.
14:21Alicia?
14:22Stephanie Bennett in London, thank you so much.
14:24The meeting between the two presidents comes as some U.S. officials fear a deal could be out of reach.
14:30Let's discuss with retired Navy Intelligence Officer Lieutenant Commander Austin Gullett.
14:36Thank you so much for being here, Commander.
14:38I want to put up one more.
14:40Looting missiles into civilian areas, cities and towns over the last few days.
14:45It makes me think that maybe he doesn't want to stop the war.
14:48He's just tapping me along and has to be dealt with differently through banking or secondary sanctions.
14:55Too many people are dying.
14:56Now, we take that statement that the president just made, and then we have that and has to be dealt with differently through banking or secondary sanctions.
15:05Too many people are dying.
15:06Now, we take that statement that the president's meeting.
15:10Do you think it's possible that we have turned a corner here or that something has changed?
15:15You know, I hope so.
15:18And unfortunately, death sometimes brings people together in a unique way, and it looked like a touching meeting.
15:24And I hope for the soldiers and the families in Russia and Ukraine that something positive comes from that.
15:31I just want to highlight, I'll get back to Trump's quote there, but I want to provide some historical framework.
15:37Under Trump's first term, he ran a very successful foreign policy of Russian deterrence.
15:44A lot of people forget President Trump was the first president to authorize lethal aid to Ukraine after Crimea in 14 in the form of javelins.
15:53I was a naval attache in Bulgaria.
15:55The Ukrainian attache used to hug me and say, thank you, brother.
15:58We finally have a chance.
15:59And then you go down the list, NATO countries spending 2% of their GDP on modernization, a very real tangible policy, ending Nord Stream 2.
16:10And then in 2018, at the behest of Prime Minister Theresa May, Trump led the largest expulsion of Russian diplomats in our history.
16:19So fast forward, Trump is out of office for four years, successful deterrence campaign.
16:24He comes in and he inherits an act of conflict.
16:27And so I think President Trump can leverage those very anti-Russian, tangible and effective policies into a successful into this war.
16:37And let's not forget, going back to 2008, the only presidential term, U.S. presidential term, where President Putin has not invaded a foreign country was under Trump's first term.
16:50So very effective deterrence.
16:52Now he has to pivot that foreign policy to ending a conflict.
16:55And as you saw in his quote that you highlighted, Trump's a business person.
16:59He will come up with a creative solution.
17:02And if Putin continues to push, to force Trump into a corner, then there will be some creative action by Trump.
17:10Because Putin knows that President Trump is a very serious actor.
17:14And it's not just going to stand back and let this somewhat complacent war of attrition being waged continue for much longer.
17:21Well, you know, in that quote that I read from Truth Social, it's actually part of a longer post.
17:27And he had mentioned the javelins, a lot of things that you actually mentioned right there.
17:31You know, I know the whole world is watching, especially Europeans right now, to see exactly what's going to happen.
17:36Let's hear what Vice President Vance had to say earlier this week.
17:39We've issued a very explicit proposal to both the Russians and the Ukrainians.
17:45And it's time for them to either say yes or for the United States to walk away from this process.
17:52So right now, when you take that comment by the Vice President, that's earlier this week.
17:57But then President Trump just had that meeting with Zelensky.
17:59He made this statement.
18:01It doesn't read like walking away at this point from President Trump.
18:05But it does look like he is doubling down on getting what he wants out of these negotiations.
18:14Yeah, I don't think as far as the U.S. walking away, I don't think that's going to happen.
18:19I think we've invested too much.
18:21And on the world scale, you know, I saw it as a diplomat.
18:26We have the most influence.
18:27We have the most resources.
18:29We have the most modern warfare experience.
18:31And we've invested, you know, too much in technology and taxpayer funding and intelligence sharing to walk away.
18:39So I don't view that as a very realistic thing.
18:41We're always going to be involved in some flavor.
18:44Sometimes emotions can get in the way of some meetings.
18:48And perhaps there's a little bit of emotion behind that statement.
18:50But I think ultimately we're not going anywhere.
18:53Concurrently, I don't think it's bad that EU and NATO positions themselves to fill that potential void.
19:01I think it only brings the EU and NATO closer once they realize sort of the real tangible weight of providing security for themselves.
19:11But I do not see us walking away.
19:14Okay.
19:14Well, anyone who's been watching this over the course of the weeks has been wondering where this is going to go.
19:20I think today we saw an incredibly active president fully engaged with the president of Ukraine and also now engaged with the president of Russia.
19:30Thank you so much, Austin Gullit.
19:32Really good to talk to you.
19:36Coming up, the latest on the tariff talks, who President Trump says we're talking to and which countries are close to striking a deal.
19:44And later, forget cutting federal workers.
19:46Is Elon Musk taking a chainsaw to his own job at Doge?
19:50President Trump's claims that the U.S. is in talks with the country over tariffs.
19:56Still, the president says he expects to finalize some deals in the next three to four weeks and would consider a 50 percent tariff a, quote, total victory.
20:07Here now, Calpom, capital management and Fox News contributor Gary Calpom.
20:12Thank you so much for being here.
20:14Gary, let's go to those 50 percent tariff and being a total victory.
20:19What impact would that have if that's where things landed a year from now?
20:25Well, I think you listen to companies like Home Depot, Walmart and Target that altogether do a trillion dollars in sales that say those type of numbers will create shortages and will create price hikes.
20:39And after four years of pretty high inflation, and I do believe the president won the election partially because of that, I'm not so sure that will be good news.
20:50I will tell you over the last couple of weeks, there is some good news.
20:54I think they've come off a lot of the higher numbers.
20:58They did put on a pause that I think ends up a forever pause.
21:03But the bad news is we're still in the works right here.
21:06And the longer it goes on, the more uncertainty there is.
21:09And we just came off a big drop in the dollar, a big drop in the stock market and a big spike in interest rates.
21:16And if that continues, I don't think much good comes of it.
21:19But so far, I think we're on the move the right way.
21:21And I think cooler heads are prevailing.
21:23But I think a lot more work to be done.
21:26So do you think that 50 percent number is just all part of the negotiation?
21:29We really don't know what's going on exactly behind the scenes here.
21:33Well, it depends on what day.
21:35It seems to be ever-changing.
21:37And as somebody who manages money in the markets, every day I'm hearing different numbers.
21:4250 percent will be much too high.
21:45I don't think, you know, larger businesses can basically maybe pass it on or eat it.
21:50I don't think small business can.
21:52And the engine of our economy is the small business.
21:55So I think that's something that's going to have to come down.
21:58I think 10 is too high.
22:00I'm hoping for total free trade, but I think that's wishful thinking.
22:04I can't imagine a day in your life right now.
22:06It must be pretty wild.
22:08So we have seen in both countries some softening, not necessarily in the negotiations, but some
22:14behind-the-scenes work being done.
22:16You see things getting loosened up a little bit when I'm talking about, like, memory chips,
22:20that sort of thing.
22:21The tariffs aren't hitting some things as high.
22:23Some things are being picked out to soften the blow a little bit for industry here in the
22:27United States as well as China.
22:28Is this a reflection of the two leaders and those who are also working on these negotiations
22:35listening to industry, listening to businesses?
22:39Oh, they must.
22:40And look, the favorite word of every economist right now is exemption.
22:44So every day we're hearing about exemptions, whether it's auto parts, whether it's Apple
22:49and things like that.
22:50But we want to get past exemptions and we want to get back down to a very, very low number
22:56and just get past this.
22:58Because I got to, you know, China, they know free trade is good.
23:02We know free trade is good.
23:04And if we can negotiate something out of this, I can't only imagine how strong the economies
23:09around the globe will be.
23:10And the president is right.
23:12We have been cheated.
23:14There has been ridiculous tariffs from certain areas.
23:16So that doesn't need to be negotiated away.
23:19But we got to be a $30 trillion economy with all those things because we're so big and the
23:26American people, American business are so great.
23:29I'm just hoping we get past this.
23:31And again, as somebody who manages money, it's been one heck of the last few weeks.
23:36Yeah.
23:37Understatement of the year there.
23:39Yeah.
23:39And reshoring.
23:40Jobs takes time.
23:42So separately, Gary, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson reportedly telling JP Morgan investors
23:46this week that President Trump's tax cut extension could be passed by July 4th.
23:52Do you see that happening?
23:52I think there's a very good chance.
23:56And one of the reasons I always said, why not do the tax cuts first and everything else
24:00second?
24:00There is a reason why every time I see the Mike Johnson in front of the camera, he's
24:05talking about it.
24:06And very simply, the economy and every consumer is used to where marginal tax rates are right
24:12now.
24:13So if that gets changed and we lose that, I think that affects the economy.
24:18It affects the consumer.
24:19We're talking about we had a doubling of standard deduction.
24:22Almost every marginal tax rate came down.
24:25The good news is the corporate tax rate will not sunset.
24:29That'll stay at 21%.
24:30But I can promise you, if nothing gets done, there's a bunch of politicians that if they
24:35get in power again, are already talking about taking corporate rates from 21 up to 28 and
24:40some saying 35%, which would be the second highest in all the developed nations.
24:45And that will not be a real good thing.
24:48Because again, we're used to these lower numbers.
24:50And it's always better when the economy is keeping more of their money.
24:54By the way, their hard earned money and the government starves a little bit more.
25:00And frankly, they need to.
25:02Hard earned money.
25:03Exactly.
25:04Gary Keltbaum.
25:05So good to see you.
25:07President Trump preparing to mark his, excuse me, first 100 days in office.
25:13How are voters rating his second term so far?
25:16Plus, drivers to start your engines were live in Talladega ahead of the Jack Links.
25:22100 days of his second term with a rally in Michigan next week.
25:26Trump flipped the battleground state last year.
25:28A key win for his path back to the White House.
25:31Joining us now, Washington Examiner White House reporter Christian Datak joining us.
25:35Christian, thanks for being here.
25:37You know, here we come.
25:38100 days.
25:39So how's he doing?
25:40Our latest Fox News polling has this to show.
25:43Now, on just the overall approval ratings across the issues, we can show you that the outlier is that still he is above 50%, 55% on border security.
25:56Some of the lowest marks at the bottom there on tariffs and inflation as there's a lot of unanswered questions.
26:02What do you make of it?
26:03What I make of this, Griff, is that the president is not yet delivered on the number one campaign promise he made last year.
26:14That was immediately lowering prices.
26:16And, you know, we in Washington and economists recognize this will take some time.
26:21But the president's honeymoon period, as we approach the conclusion of this first 100 days, is rapidly running out because people want to see inflation reduced and they don't love the impact that the tariffs have had on their personal portfolios, their 401ks.
26:36And they're concerned about what these protracted negotiations might mean.
26:41The president needs to get a handle on the economy because, let's be honest, that's what runs politics in 2025.
26:46Yeah, grab them by the pocketbook.
26:49That's what they care about.
26:50Now, let me show you many other organizations have done it, and Fox did as well, the 100-day mark.
26:56How are things standing up with the approval rating?
26:58You can see there 44%, roughly what he had at this point during his first term, a little lower than, obviously, the previous administration.
27:07But then if you go a little deeper, Christian, about how people feel things are going in the U.S., let us show you that.
27:15You can see now 40% satisfied, a little bit of a slip from just a month ago.
27:22However, when you go down and look into breaking it amongst party, Democrat, Republican, and independents, I see a really interesting thing.
27:32And that is you've got the independents increasing by 3%.
27:37So the independents, compared to the end of last year with President Biden, to where we are now, independents are increasing.
27:45Sort of an interesting observation.
27:47What do you think?
27:49It is.
27:50And, Griff, I would attribute that bounce to, quite frankly, President Trump's focus on securing the southern border.
27:56We saw how big of an issue border security was in 2024, not only in the general election, but down ballot as well.
28:05And when you go back to that Fox poll from this week, border security remains the number one issue where President Trump has positive approval ratings.
28:14I've jotted down a few numbers here.
28:16On border security, 55% of Americans approve, compared to 40% who disapprove.
28:23But that doesn't necessarily extend to his entire immigration agenda.
28:27He's underwater on immigration as a whole.
28:30And the deportation agenda, in particular, he's got four-point negative disparity there, too.
28:36So I do think the way that President Trump has sort of gotten Democrats and independents to focus on, yes, we do need to have a secure southern and northern border, that latitude hasn't necessarily extended to the way that he's carrying out these policies.
28:51And it certainly is early.
28:52But I do think the independents could be one of the biggest, most important voting blocs heading into the midterm elections.
28:58And again, of course, ahead of a 2028 general, where we could see J.D. Vance, Kamala Harris, maybe even Donald Trump, if you take him at his word, trying to flout the Constitution and run for the White House again.
29:11So that's an issue that I do think has swayed independents with Republicans.
29:15It's one that Democrats haven't really realized how to properly address yet.
29:20Yeah, it's a good point, those independents.
29:22Let me just lastly, Christian, turn you to Elon Musk.
29:25A lot made about Elon Musk, his actual polling numbers are lower than President Trump's.
29:31And it appears he's now set to to depart.
29:34He's going to doge himself.
29:36What's your reaction?
29:39I'm not surprised, quite frankly.
29:41And I've been speaking to Republican, excuse me, Republican operatives, folks at the White House for the last two months.
29:47And it seems like Elon Musk is wearing out as welcome because on the one hand, he's done an admirable job of serving as a human meat shield for Donald Trump.
29:55Trump sucking up criticism from the media and quite frankly, taking on this Doge initiative with more frequency and a rapider pace than anyone in the media thought was possible.
30:07But as we progress through this first hundred days, he's gotten into more and more conflicts with members of the cabinet.
30:13Folks like Scott Besson at Treasury, who they've clashed over the handling of IRS data that Doge wants to use to supplement other parts of the president's agenda.
30:23Folks like Secretary Duffy, who has big concerns about the quest to cut federal spending when transportation's entire pushes to build new things.
30:31And of course, Marco Rubio, who's trying to manage the president's changing form.
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