The Garden Report live after the Celtics and Mavericks practice on Saturday covers a range of crucial topics for the NBA Finals. They discuss the pivotal matchups and strategies for Game Two, emphasizing the importance of Jaylen Brown's aggressive play on both ends of the court. There is a significant focus on the psychological pressure on Jayson Tatum to perform offensively and his desire for scoring dominance. The team also analyzes how the Celtics plan to counteract defensive strategies targeting Tatum and make the Mavericks' defense work harder. Additionally, they reflect on Kyrie Irving's engagement with the crowd and the impact of these interactions on his performance.
0:00 Game two preview and pivotal matchups
10:43 - JB's aggressive play on both ends
15:10 - Psychological warfare on Tatum's role
18:24 - Pressure on Tatum to perform offensively
20:03 - Importance of making the defense work harder
22:01 - Tatum's desire for scoring dominance
25:11 - Celtics' defensive strategy against Tatum
29:18 - Kyrie's engagement with the crowd
34:00 - Impact of crowd distractions on Kyrie's performance
38:58 - Crowd more into the Finals than Kyrie
41:51 - Comparing Kyrie to other Boston sports villains
48:46 - Reflecting on unscripted moments during filming
51:21 - Analyzing strategies for the Celtics vs. Mavericks game
57:45 - Crowd energized as Mavericks take lead
1:03:00 - Rare interaction between Tatum and Brown
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0:00 Game two preview and pivotal matchups
10:43 - JB's aggressive play on both ends
15:10 - Psychological warfare on Tatum's role
18:24 - Pressure on Tatum to perform offensively
20:03 - Importance of making the defense work harder
22:01 - Tatum's desire for scoring dominance
25:11 - Celtics' defensive strategy against Tatum
29:18 - Kyrie's engagement with the crowd
34:00 - Impact of crowd distractions on Kyrie's performance
38:58 - Crowd more into the Finals than Kyrie
41:51 - Comparing Kyrie to other Boston sports villains
48:46 - Reflecting on unscripted moments during filming
51:21 - Analyzing strategies for the Celtics vs. Mavericks game
57:45 - Crowd energized as Mavericks take lead
1:03:00 - Rare interaction between Tatum and Brown
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00:00:00 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:05 Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:07 Hard hats, lunch pail, steel tool, boots.
00:00:09 Anything short of a championship this year is a fail.
00:00:11 Look at this boomer right here.
00:00:13 You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:16 Somebody said we need to apologize for Jaylen.
00:00:18 Can I pull the John?
00:00:19 What are we apologizing for?
00:00:20 What did we say?
00:00:21 What did we do?
00:00:22 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:26 --going against a guy like Jaylen is so challenging.
00:00:32 Oh.
00:00:33 Well, Jaylen's their best player.
00:00:35 Oh, snap!
00:00:37 [LAUGHTER]
00:00:39 Look at what Jason Kidd went and did.
00:00:42 Oh, changing the narrative.
00:00:46 Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum, hitting them
00:00:48 against each other once again.
00:00:49 I don't believe it.
00:00:51 I don't believe it.
00:00:52 On the last question, too.
00:00:53 You waited to the last question.
00:00:56 What are we doing here?
00:00:58 [LAUGHTER]
00:01:01 And here we go.
00:01:02 Fun stuff today.
00:01:05 And again, that kid, Jason Kidd, definitely had his fun there.
00:01:12 Celtics responded to it.
00:01:14 Fun little thing to talk about, a little psychological warfare
00:01:17 going on behind the scenes.
00:01:18 As the Celtics--
00:01:20 Yes.
00:01:21 Yeah.
00:01:22 And I agree.
00:01:23 I agree.
00:01:25 He's going to drive JT out of Boston, not JB.
00:01:29 Because JB is the best player now.
00:01:32 It was so good.
00:01:34 It was so--
00:01:34 Brian can't say he's disrespected anymore.
00:01:41 But now--
00:01:42 He's the captain now, Bobby.
00:01:43 He's the captain now.
00:01:44 Exactly.
00:01:45 Let's go.
00:01:45 Oh, so funny for so many different reasons.
00:01:48 But anyway--
00:01:49 Just like I said, last question of the press day.
00:01:51 It was almost a nothing, and then it turned into that.
00:01:54 Gave us something to talk about and some fun stuff today
00:01:57 at practice.
00:01:59 Same situation.
00:02:00 We got to talk to everybody ahead of game two, which
00:02:04 is tomorrow, 8 PM at the TD Garden.
00:02:07 We were all down there, took it all in,
00:02:09 got a chance to hear from everybody.
00:02:11 We'll talk about what happened today, what the vibe is.
00:02:17 Dallas in their 3-0 game two record,
00:02:19 and the Celtics in their 1-2 game two record
00:02:24 through the playoffs right now.
00:02:26 And this is about as pivotal as it gets, certainly
00:02:28 for the Mavericks, because I think they go down 2-0.
00:02:34 Bye bye.
00:02:36 You think?
00:02:37 I want to see you in Dallas.
00:02:40 I'd be really surprised.
00:02:41 Again, they got to do something.
00:02:44 But I do like the little psyops there
00:02:46 that was going on for Kidd there.
00:02:48 And that definitely gave us a little bit of something
00:02:50 to talk about.
00:02:50 We talked with Chris Stapps again
00:02:52 about how he feels on game two.
00:02:53 Kyrie Irving on whether the fans bother him.
00:02:57 Guys, we could start with Brown and Tatum, because it is fun.
00:03:00 But if you have anything else that you like better,
00:03:02 I'm happy to go in that direction first.
00:03:05 Yeah, let's do it.
00:03:06 You guys were walking around.
00:03:07 What did you like today?
00:03:09 What was tough in your mind in terms
00:03:12 of the people you were talking to and what was interesting?
00:03:14 I know this became the thing, but still.
00:03:17 It's still at the top of the list,
00:03:18 because I think what Jason wanted
00:03:21 happened, which is the question repeated itself
00:03:24 for every other player, especially Jalen,
00:03:25 especially Tatum.
00:03:27 Neither took the bait.
00:03:28 But at the same time, some people
00:03:32 put in other quotes out there.
00:03:34 Drew Holliday is one that stood out the most.
00:03:36 I've got all of these.
00:03:38 I'll play them all.
00:03:38 We'll get into that later.
00:03:39 Yeah, I just want to tease it up, I guess.
00:03:41 But yeah, so that's the top of the list for me.
00:03:43 The second thing is what Kyrie had to say.
00:03:46 I thought it was really interesting in terms
00:03:49 of just looking back at everything
00:03:52 and just really getting a chance to--
00:03:56 I don't want to say anywhere near an apology,
00:03:59 but maybe as close as one that we're
00:04:01 going to get out of the guy.
00:04:02 And again, it's the same sort of talk that it's been.
00:04:06 He was in a different place.
00:04:07 And he was in Boston.
00:04:08 A lot of people don't even know what was going on in his life.
00:04:11 However, he's just trying to look ahead.
00:04:13 You didn't-- you're not.
00:04:15 He got you too, Josue?
00:04:17 I mean, I'm not saying he's sorry.
00:04:20 But this is his way of saying, hey, again, guys,
00:04:25 I'm not the same person I was back then.
00:04:27 But I don't think he's actually sorry, though.
00:04:29 He's just trying-- doing his best to sort of minimize
00:04:31 the damage or what's going to be the damage when he goes out
00:04:36 there for game two.
00:04:37 But then if you rewind back to the postgame comments
00:04:41 from game one saying, oh, I thought they would be louder,
00:04:43 I think that one is still going to resonate with the fans.
00:04:46 So they're going to try to be even louder
00:04:48 than they were in game one.
00:04:48 So there was nothing really he could say today
00:04:51 to prevent that from happening.
00:04:53 But I just thought the way he put everything together
00:04:55 in terms of spending time in Boston,
00:04:59 apparently fans say what up to him.
00:05:01 That was kind of news to me.
00:05:02 Maybe they're trolling, maybe not.
00:05:04 But-- and of course, reminding us of his father's background.
00:05:07 He went to school out here, Boston University,
00:05:09 and all that stuff.
00:05:10 I watched his dad play in person.
00:05:12 Did you really?
00:05:13 Yeah.
00:05:14 Oh, yeah.
00:05:14 Oh, yeah.
00:05:15 So--
00:05:15 He was excellent.
00:05:16 He was the best player at BU.
00:05:17 I think they went to the tournament one year
00:05:18 while he was here.
00:05:20 Dredrick Irving was awesome.
00:05:21 He was awesome.
00:05:22 I mean, again, he's playing against--
00:05:23 He played against--
00:05:24 --Dredrick Lewis, right?
00:05:25 He's really good, yeah.
00:05:27 So Dredrick Irving was a really good player, yeah.
00:05:30 I actually-- I did not know for the first, like,
00:05:33 three, four years of Kyrie's career that that was his dad.
00:05:35 I found it out, like, later.
00:05:37 And I was like, what?
00:05:38 It was weird for me.
00:05:39 It's like Luke and Drake May.
00:05:40 Yeah.
00:05:41 Wait, was it the commercial that did it
00:05:42 when you were playing one on one?
00:05:43 No, no, no.
00:05:43 It was before he got to Boston.
00:05:44 But it was when he first got to the NBA.
00:05:47 I didn't know that was Dredrick's kid.
00:05:48 But anyway, Bobby, what about you?
00:05:50 What stood out?
00:05:52 Yeah, the Kyrie stuff was definitely interesting there.
00:05:55 And the Brown Stadium thing is what it is.
00:05:58 And it's almost good for the Celtics
00:06:02 that we did so much of this already.
00:06:04 They've talked about this so much
00:06:07 that this isn't anything new.
00:06:09 This might be something new for a kid to be like,
00:06:12 ooh, let's try to fire up the tension between these guys.
00:06:16 Or let's try to get them grilled with questions about this.
00:06:19 But I don't think he even realizes how much we've
00:06:23 been through this and they've been through this.
00:06:25 So I don't know what kind of impact it's going to make.
00:06:28 It's certainly not going to have any encore implications.
00:06:31 Because the game is what the game is at this point.
00:06:33 They're loading up, selling out, taking Tatum out of it.
00:06:37 And that's freeing up guys like Brown and others.
00:06:40 But I am curious going into game two, how much stays the same?
00:06:46 Does Chris Stapps keep coming off the bench?
00:06:49 Do the Mavericks keep missing their open shots?
00:06:52 And they had a ton of open shots when you look at the numbers
00:06:55 in game one.
00:06:56 And do the Celtics get excellent performances out of their role
00:07:01 guys once again?
00:07:02 Drew, fantastic.
00:07:04 Hauser, out of this world.
00:07:06 Way above what you would have expected from him.
00:07:08 Porzingis doing what he did off the bench.
00:07:11 Those were all important in this becoming an uncompetitive game
00:07:14 one.
00:07:15 I think there's a lot of ways you can look at this
00:07:17 and say the series from this point
00:07:19 on is going to be a lot more competitive.
00:07:21 But the one thing that's probably going to change here
00:07:24 that Kit alluded to is that they got to stop playing as much
00:07:26 one on one.
00:07:27 They can't have nine assists.
00:07:29 They can't just be falling into isolation against Boston
00:07:32 because that's what Boston wants here.
00:07:34 So can they produce more movement?
00:07:36 Can they get more guys involved?
00:07:37 It seems like that's what they're
00:07:38 going to try to do here.
00:07:40 Yeah.
00:07:41 Yeah, no doubt about it.
00:07:42 I think the real stuff is the matchup.
00:07:45 Like, what do they do different?
00:07:47 I do think there's a little bit of the kid stuff
00:07:50 from earlier, which kind of plays into strategy in terms
00:07:55 of--
00:07:55 so look, this notion that what Kit said
00:08:01 and the gamesmanship behind it and the psychological warfare
00:08:04 is going to tear the Jays apart is silly.
00:08:06 And anybody who goes in that direction is dumb.
00:08:10 But I do--
00:08:10 What do you think of the Jays actually talking it out
00:08:13 on the court?
00:08:13 Yeah, but they didn't take the bait, though.
00:08:15 Well, hold on.
00:08:16 You know what Kit wanted.
00:08:17 Kit wanted Jaylen to go up there, get the quote,
00:08:20 repeat it to him, and then say, well, hey, look,
00:08:22 I work on my crap.
00:08:23 I do this and that.
00:08:24 Aye, aye, aye.
00:08:25 But he didn't take it.
00:08:26 Let's play the sound and let people
00:08:28 judge how the sound responded to it,
00:08:29 starting with the full Jason Kid bite, because it's interesting.
00:08:32 I'm going to point--
00:08:33 I want to listen carefully to everything that he said there,
00:08:36 because I am kind of curious.
00:08:39 I want your guys' reaction to it.
00:08:41 But here it is.
00:08:42 Makes going against a guy like Jaylen so challenging.
00:08:45 Well, Jaylen's the best player.
00:08:50 So just looking at what he does defensively,
00:08:56 he picked up Luka full court.
00:08:59 He got to the free throw line.
00:09:01 He did everything.
00:09:02 And that's what your best player does.
00:09:04 What's your reaction to Jay Kid saying that?
00:09:09 No reaction.
00:09:10 This is a team sport.
00:09:13 We understand that.
00:09:15 We wouldn't be here if we didn't have JB on our team.
00:09:19 And we could say that for a lot of guys.
00:09:22 We've all played a part in getting to where we're at.
00:09:25 Joe Sway pointed that out to me.
00:09:27 And we understand that.
00:09:29 People try to try and wedge--
00:09:31 Everyone's good.
00:09:32 Is Jaylen good?
00:09:33 Everyone's good.
00:09:35 It's a smart thing to do or try to do.
00:09:38 But we've been in this position for many years of guys
00:09:42 trying to divide us and say that one of us should be traded
00:09:46 or one's better than the other.
00:09:49 So it's not our first time at the rodeo.
00:09:51 Jason Kid just said it twice, that you're
00:09:54 the best player on the Celtics.
00:09:56 I was just trying to get your reaction to that.
00:09:58 He likes it.
00:09:59 He likes it.
00:10:00 No reaction.
00:10:01 I don't know.
00:10:05 I think it's a team game.
00:10:08 And we're trying to focus on that.
00:10:10 And everybody has their own opinions.
00:10:18 J-Kid, man.
00:10:22 That's a bet.
00:10:25 I see what he's doing.
00:10:26 Yeah, that's a better point guard right there.
00:10:29 Jaylen Brown is an unbelievable player.
00:10:31 He's an unbelievable player.
00:10:32 Now wait for it.
00:10:34 Very special for us.
00:10:35 What a guy.
00:10:36 What a guy.
00:10:38 Thank you, everybody.
00:10:39 This one's the money one.
00:10:40 Hold on.
00:10:41 Oh, man.
00:10:41 Oh, man.
00:10:42 It's sneaky.
00:10:44 This is the first I'm hearing it.
00:10:46 But I mean, I don't think he's lying.
00:10:48 I think J-D has been aggressive in the last single wedding.
00:10:51 He's been getting to the paint, getting to fit the line.
00:10:55 Also making plays for other people.
00:10:57 And then he's guarding Luca.
00:10:58 He's guarding the best player.
00:11:01 I've been on teams where--
00:11:02 just any team-- where does your best player
00:11:06 have such a heavy load on the offensive end,
00:11:09 and then a heavy-- just as equal heavy ball
00:11:11 on the defensive end.
00:11:12 This is what Jason wanted, man.
00:11:14 It's hard to do, especially against somebody like Luca.
00:11:17 Oh, Drew.
00:11:18 Drew took the bait.
00:11:20 In other words, this guy not only scores,
00:11:23 but he defends our best players, what K-id was saying.
00:11:26 And he does it full court.
00:11:28 He knew one of these players were going to say,
00:11:30 you know what?
00:11:31 New narrative.
00:11:32 It's not a bad take.
00:11:33 Or Jalen's a really good player.
00:11:36 It's great that Tatum and Jalen didn't fall for it.
00:11:38 And what I mean by fall for it is obviously
00:11:39 he's not going to be like, well, I agree with that take.
00:11:42 No.
00:11:42 I mean, again, well, I work really hard.
00:11:45 Well, I really wanted to be a better defender.
00:11:48 Comments like that would have kind of stirred the pot.
00:11:50 But he didn't do it.
00:11:51 He didn't do it.
00:11:51 But Drew didn't get the memo.
00:11:53 That reminds me of the beginning of the year.
00:11:55 He missed the text.
00:11:56 He missed the group text, I guess.
00:11:58 What I love is this type of stuff in the chat.
00:12:00 I'll let you finish, Bobby.
00:12:01 But people say Tatum's going to cook.
00:12:04 Tatum's going to go for 50.
00:12:05 That's what K-id wants.
00:12:08 To force the issue.
00:12:10 Yeah, he wants--
00:12:11 No!
00:12:12 He wants four for 15 or four for 19 Tatum
00:12:16 and just trying to do everything.
00:12:17 Yeah, that's what he wants.
00:12:18 No!
00:12:19 What were you going to say?
00:12:20 That reminded me--
00:12:21 But the coverage is not going to change.
00:12:22 You think the coverage is going to change?
00:12:23 You think K-id's going to defend Jalen
00:12:25 like he's the best player?
00:12:26 Absolutely not.
00:12:27 That reminded me of the beginning of the year.
00:12:29 I asked Drew about, do you need to be close off the court
00:12:33 as stars?
00:12:34 Do you need to have that bond, that friendship
00:12:36 to succeed on the court?
00:12:38 And he just said, I don't know how you can win without it.
00:12:42 I don't know how you can get by without it.
00:12:46 So he played into that then, too.
00:12:48 This is amazing.
00:12:50 And I didn't even notice him laugh
00:12:52 before he delivered that.
00:12:53 So that just goes to show even more.
00:12:55 He knew exactly what he was doing there.
00:12:58 K-id's a weird dude, guys.
00:13:00 I know you both follow this career more than I did
00:13:04 or remember him as a player more than I did.
00:13:06 The whole time he's been coaching,
00:13:08 at least in Dallas the last couple of years
00:13:10 I've been covering the league, every time he's at the podium,
00:13:14 I'm just like, what's up with this guy?
00:13:18 I don't really get his whole demeanor
00:13:20 because he's very soft-spoken.
00:13:23 He tries to come off as this kind of just straight
00:13:27 to the point, plain-spoken guy.
00:13:30 And he'll say something like this,
00:13:32 or he'll kind of make fun of your question.
00:13:34 Every time I ask him, he ends up just kind of snapping back
00:13:36 at me with something before he answers it.
00:13:39 So the interactions with him at the podium
00:13:41 are always a little weird to me because it
00:13:44 seems like he tries to come off as this guy that does not
00:13:46 a lot, too, or he's just very quiet or soft-spoken.
00:13:49 But there's always that extra kind of bite or message behind.
00:13:52 Is this how he was as a player, too?
00:13:54 Nope.
00:13:56 Nope, not really.
00:13:58 But he's-- whatever.
00:14:01 I can see how he comes off a little bit weird.
00:14:04 Well, after his early stints of coaching,
00:14:06 remember, John, he was kind of doing weird stuff.
00:14:09 Remember when he bumped into the ref to try to get a tackle?
00:14:12 Or he tried to--
00:14:12 What was the thing with the coffee?
00:14:14 Did he have somebody spill a drink on him?
00:14:15 Yeah, yeah.
00:14:16 He had someone.
00:14:17 He was like, bump into me, bump into me, or something like that.
00:14:18 Or I think he had the coffee.
00:14:20 But he had his player come--
00:14:21 he was doing wacky stuff.
00:14:22 So then now I feel like maybe he's more low-key.
00:14:25 But this is definitely calculated, though.
00:14:27 It's not like he just--
00:14:28 I mean, has Jalen been playing like the best
00:14:30 player in the Celtics?
00:14:31 Yeah, sure, you can make that case.
00:14:32 But to flat out say that, he knew what he was doing.
00:14:35 He knew that this question would be repeated for the next three,
00:14:38 four, five Celtics players that were going to go up there
00:14:40 or be approached by reporters.
00:14:42 Someone pointed something out to me about--
00:14:47 that Tatum started the war.
00:14:48 Because the other day, he took a dig at the Mavs,
00:14:54 who were saying, well, we don't have guys we have to hide on defense.
00:14:58 And that's a good thing about some of our players.
00:15:00 So someone was kind of guessing that--
00:15:02 That's something Kid would do.
00:15:03 Yeah, that's interesting.
00:15:04 Here's what I will say.
00:15:05 Like, again, hey, Jason, you don't even guard our best players.
00:15:08 And so, yeah.
00:15:09 Yeah, no one believes--
00:15:12 at the very least, it's created a slightly awkward situation.
00:15:15 No one believes that these guys are going to necessarily
00:15:18 be rattled by it or change anything.
00:15:21 Or like, you guys--
00:15:22 Yeah.
00:15:24 It's not like Joe Mazzuolo said it.
00:15:25 So, yeah.
00:15:27 But--
00:15:28 That would have been--
00:15:29 But going back to what we talked about after game one.
00:15:34 And is it a little bit of a Hail Mary, a little desperation, maybe?
00:15:38 We talked about this after game one.
00:15:40 Bobby brought it up, too.
00:15:42 We found it very perplexing that the Mavericks chose that--
00:15:48 if Kid really believes it, he wouldn't have double-tamed them all game.
00:15:51 He would have doubled Brown.
00:15:52 He didn't double Brown.
00:15:53 He double-tamed them.
00:15:54 So it's obviously psychological warfare.
00:15:56 He obviously doesn't actually believe it.
00:15:58 Hey, but Brown gets double teams, too.
00:16:01 Don't forget it.
00:16:02 But the coverage is not the same.
00:16:03 Yeah.
00:16:04 The coverage is not the same.
00:16:05 And for Kid to say the full court defense thing to me is like--
00:16:08 Let me get this out of here.
00:16:09 You don't guard it.
00:16:10 All right, go ahead.
00:16:11 No, let me get the strategy part out there.
00:16:13 We didn't understand that defense, right, Bobby?
00:16:15 Because it seemed-- if I were game planning,
00:16:18 I would say, let Tatum try to cook.
00:16:21 Have him go iso.
00:16:22 Get his match-ups.
00:16:22 For what it's worth, I don't think--
00:16:25 I think the Tatum argument's a little bit off with,
00:16:27 you guys are so stupid.
00:16:28 You don't know what he's doing.
00:16:29 The amount of gravity he has, everything is going around him.
00:16:33 I think that there's absolutely a lot runs through him.
00:16:35 And he did an amazing job driving and kicking all game long.
00:16:38 And the paint was packed.
00:16:40 But when he did try to, or when he did have single coverage,
00:16:46 he wasn't doing an awesome job getting around everybody.
00:16:48 And he wasn't getting to his spots and getting free.
00:16:51 Especially against the centers.
00:16:52 Yeah, he took a lot of contested shots
00:16:54 when he did choose to shoot.
00:16:56 So if it was an either/or, if every time Tatum had one guy
00:16:59 on him and he cooked, you'd be like,
00:17:01 it's a pick-your-poison scenario.
00:17:02 Like, if I double him, he's going to pass.
00:17:05 And if I play him straight up, he's going to torch me.
00:17:07 If I'm rolling the dice on one or the other,
00:17:10 I would roll the dice on letting Tatum beat me outright.
00:17:17 Yeah, it's a tough call because he can go off
00:17:21 in those scenarios.
00:17:22 And I think what is interesting about this comment and the way
00:17:26 that they're playing him is it just adds this pressure on him.
00:17:30 Because I think you said it, John.
00:17:34 It's not that he's selfish and he wants the points
00:17:36 and he wants to be the guy and the MVP and all that stuff.
00:17:40 It's that he thinks that's his job.
00:17:43 He should be doing that.
00:17:45 That's what the team needs from him.
00:17:47 It's mandatory that he does that,
00:17:49 performs at that level for them to be able to succeed.
00:17:53 He sees a parallel between those things.
00:17:55 And I think he acknowledges also that when he's passing
00:17:58 and making those plays, that can also lead to winning.
00:18:01 But I think naturally, who he's been as a player
00:18:03 his whole life, he sees himself as the guy who needs to score,
00:18:09 who needs to put up big numbers, who
00:18:11 needs to be great for the team to get where it needs to go.
00:18:14 So every game where he plays well,
00:18:19 but the stats aren't there, and he doesn't shoot well,
00:18:21 and there's all this pressure on him,
00:18:23 I think adds a little bit of pressure on him to do more.
00:18:27 I think as you start to rattle off,
00:18:30 what is it, eight wins now in a row in these playoffs?
00:18:33 I don't think the fact that he's shooting 40%
00:18:35 or whatever it is in the playoffs at this stage
00:18:38 hurts as much because the results are there.
00:18:41 But say you lose a game and he doesn't shoot well.
00:18:44 Now all of a sudden, it's a different situation
00:18:46 where it's like, oh, I need to be more aggressive.
00:18:49 I need to play better.
00:18:51 I need to be the guy leading this thing
00:18:53 now that we lose this game.
00:18:54 So my point is, you might be right, John,
00:19:00 playing single coverage against them,
00:19:02 daring them to beat you, making them play one on one.
00:19:06 That might be the right approach,
00:19:08 just given his struggles.
00:19:10 But I think putting the extra pressure on him and saying,
00:19:13 you're not even going to shoot for a quarter and a half
00:19:15 to a guy who's a scorer and has been a scorer his whole life,
00:19:19 I think that adds a little bit of pressure on him.
00:19:21 Just like this comment here is trying
00:19:23 to add a little bit more pressure on him.
00:19:26 Oh, Brown's playing better than you.
00:19:27 Brown's carrying this team.
00:19:29 What are you going to do about that?
00:19:32 Josue, do you think Tatum's OK with not
00:19:35 taking a shot for a quarter and a half
00:19:37 the way this defense is forcing him to play?
00:19:40 Yeah, I think so.
00:19:41 I think so, no matter what.
00:19:42 Because I think at the end of the game,
00:19:44 whether it's the final play or the last couple of minutes,
00:19:48 they're going to make a point to get him his touches.
00:19:50 And I think Tatum, it took him a while to learn that.
00:19:52 He used to try to get hot and blow team out
00:19:56 or whatever the case may be.
00:19:59 If he couldn't find his shot or find his offensive rhythm,
00:20:01 he would force his way into having a better shooting
00:20:05 performance instead of trying to find it organically
00:20:07 and trying to get other guys going
00:20:09 and trying to spread out the defense.
00:20:12 I think he had to learn over the last couple of years
00:20:15 that if you make the defense work harder,
00:20:18 shots will come to you and it'll be easier.
00:20:20 Possessions will come easier.
00:20:22 And I think a lot of that is the way he's approached this season.
00:20:25 And of course, having the team that he has,
00:20:27 that's what's best for winning.
00:20:29 And the regular season record and the way
00:20:32 they carry themselves all season long,
00:20:34 I think reinforced that for him.
00:20:36 What do you think, John?
00:20:42 About what specifically?
00:20:45 Do you think there's pressure on Tatum
00:20:47 when he's getting taken out of the game?
00:20:48 I think there's always pressure on Tatum
00:20:50 because I do think he recognizes that despite the fact
00:20:53 that the you-know-ball crowd--
00:20:55 and I think most people will agree--
00:20:57 and the Celtics back him and Joe backs him.
00:20:59 And everybody's like, after the game, Jason was amazing.
00:21:02 And again, we talked about it.
00:21:04 We've joked about potential assists before.
00:21:06 But I really think last game was one of those games
00:21:08 where it was like--
00:21:09 He had 14, right?
00:21:10 He was obviously, obviously like he found everybody.
00:21:16 There was one play where he dumped it off to Kristaps
00:21:19 right at the basket and Kristaps botched the layup.
00:21:21 There were a lot of shots.
00:21:22 Yeah, drew under the basket too and he
00:21:24 hit the side of the backboard.
00:21:25 But also a ton of open threes late
00:21:26 before they really started-- or open threes early
00:21:29 before they started falling.
00:21:30 The Celtics started--
00:21:31 It was a great Tatum passing game.
00:21:33 Oh, he had a great passing game.
00:21:35 All that aside, and he does a lot of other things.
00:21:38 And he works great as a screener and opens things up.
00:21:41 And again, the gravity, the amount of attention he draws
00:21:46 opens up things for everyone else.
00:21:48 Everybody knows all of those things.
00:21:51 That being said, there's no question
00:21:53 that Tatum is sometimes like, why can't I score at will
00:21:58 like I used to?
00:22:00 He wants to know that he's got that 40 in the bag.
00:22:03 I think he'd be happy going 28 and 8
00:22:06 if he knew that if I want to be selfish,
00:22:08 I can get my 40 like that.
00:22:10 But the jump shot hasn't been as good.
00:22:12 The three-point shooting all playoffs has been terrible.
00:22:15 Thankfully, he made the open ones, which was great.
00:22:17 The pull-up shooting hasn't been as good.
00:22:18 He's not getting by people as efficiently.
00:22:21 But again, a lot of it is he's getting more attention.
00:22:23 There's more bodies at the rim.
00:22:25 It's the playoffs, so they're getting away
00:22:28 with a little bit more contact than you
00:22:29 would in the regular season.
00:22:31 You're not getting into the free throw line as much.
00:22:33 All those things factor in as well.
00:22:35 But in his mind, that's who he is, right?
00:22:38 It is true essence.
00:22:40 Like, I ball.
00:22:41 Give me the ball, and I can--
00:22:46 they do mismatch hunt.
00:22:47 And they have guys where they get Tatum the ball,
00:22:51 and he should be able to just do what he wants with those people.
00:22:54 And I think he wants to still be able to do that.
00:22:58 And so it's in there for sure.
00:23:00 I wouldn't say a pressure to do it,
00:23:01 but I think he's cognizant of it.
00:23:03 I think he can contribute a lot of different ways, and you win.
00:23:08 But I think also he's really happy having that 36, 38,
00:23:11 40-point game where he just gets to go off,
00:23:13 because that's kind of part of who he is
00:23:15 and what made him who he is.
00:23:17 And it's that stuff that elevated him
00:23:20 into top five conversation, not the other stuff.
00:23:23 The other stuff's extremely valuable.
00:23:25 But he's a scorer first.
00:23:29 Yeah, and it goes back to that question of who is he.
00:23:32 And to some degree, it's confusing,
00:23:35 because you don't know what you're going to get from him.
00:23:39 You don't know what you're going to get from him on any given
00:23:41 night.
00:23:42 Thanks, thanks, Tatum.
00:23:44 He loves this conversation.
00:23:45 But it's also good to some degree,
00:23:48 because you know you're going to get something.
00:23:50 He just has so much in his arsenal,
00:23:52 so many areas he can impact.
00:23:54 Unlike Luka, who last game you take away his passing,
00:23:58 and he's missing some open shots, some good looks.
00:24:01 And he doesn't have much of an impact on that game at all.
00:24:05 And again, we have to be real.
00:24:09 He had six turnovers to go with the potential assist, too.
00:24:12 It's not great.
00:24:14 I thought Max said it best.
00:24:16 Max said he was good, not great.
00:24:18 Yeah.
00:24:20 So I think that's how you talk about the Tatum game.
00:24:22 This isn't about the Tatum-Brown debate.
00:24:25 It's simply about how do the Celtics come back in game two?
00:24:29 How do the Mavericks come back in game two?
00:24:31 Will the Mavericks do the same thing,
00:24:33 put all the pressure on Tatum?
00:24:35 Hope, is Kit hoping that I'm going to play him
00:24:37 exactly the same way.
00:24:39 And I'm going to double him.
00:24:40 I'm going to see if he can prove to me he's the best player.
00:24:43 Is that going to get in his head at all?
00:24:44 I think that's a foolish strategy.
00:24:46 I do wonder, however, if they switch it up
00:24:48 and they decide to run their coverages a little differently.
00:24:53 They went to a little zone here and there.
00:24:56 Didn't work because Tatum was able to step around some screens,
00:24:59 get a three off.
00:25:01 The single coverage, again, dangerous
00:25:02 because you're lining him up against Luka at that point,
00:25:05 potentially Kyrie.
00:25:07 They did get him a great look in the post against Kyrie.
00:25:09 So I think that's dangerous.
00:25:10 I think you play him the same way.
00:25:12 I think you try to take him out of the game.
00:25:15 And at that point, Joe Sway is right.
00:25:17 Jason's become a lot more comfortable with passing,
00:25:22 not impacting the game with his shooting,
00:25:24 being patient and waiting for his looks,
00:25:26 taking what the defense gives.
00:25:28 I think that he's come a long way with all that stuff.
00:25:31 But again, I think it's hard for anybody
00:25:33 to see three guys in the lane every time you're
00:25:35 trying to drive, not taking a shot for nine minutes
00:25:39 at a time and ending a game with 16 points.
00:25:43 I think that's just--
00:25:45 it's not that he's not willing to do it
00:25:46 or that he doesn't like it.
00:25:48 It's just a challenge because you're the guy
00:25:51 with the ball in your hands.
00:25:52 You're the guy who, again, you think your job is
00:25:56 to lead this team.
00:25:57 And to just see that kind of crowd in front of you
00:26:01 and know that you're not going to be able to score
00:26:03 the way you want to, it's a challenge
00:26:05 because then you've got to make the right play, possession
00:26:07 after possession.
00:26:08 Yeah, you still have to go into the paint
00:26:10 knowing that scoring is not really an option.
00:26:14 And I'm surprised--
00:26:15 And that's why he had six turnovers last game,
00:26:17 the extra thinking he had to do in a lot of those rim reads
00:26:22 and isolation situations.
00:26:24 And he just ended up moving a little too slow.
00:26:26 They really slowed his game down, John, I thought,
00:26:29 in a big way.
00:26:30 And I don't like it.
00:26:31 I don't like it.
00:26:32 But I don't like the hold.
00:26:35 Like when he's holding the ball, I really don't want to--
00:26:38 you don't want to see that.
00:26:41 Kidding.
00:26:42 You want him to attack quickly.
00:26:45 Yeah.
00:26:46 And playing with pace is something
00:26:48 they did great in the first half.
00:26:51 Second half, the Celtics lost.
00:26:53 Lost the second half 47-44.
00:26:55 Yeah, Bobby, it was a 25-point lead.
00:26:58 And then the game got down to--
00:26:59 I was going to say, big picture, though.
00:27:01 --the other side of the team.
00:27:01 And so, no, they didn't.
00:27:02 They didn't.
00:27:03 They definitely lost the third quarter.
00:27:04 Me--
00:27:04 Yeah, I mean, they barely lost the third quarter.
00:27:06 They lost it by a point.
00:27:08 By a point, yeah.
00:27:09 The game was over after the third quarter.
00:27:11 That was it.
00:27:12 They held the line.
00:27:14 They took on a run.
00:27:15 Yeah.
00:27:16 They took on a run, and they held the line.
00:27:17 That was it.
00:27:18 The best Dallas could do was in the third,
00:27:20 and then they ended up shaving a point off the lead.
00:27:22 So I disagree with the idea that they lost the second half.
00:27:25 I think they did what they had to do.
00:27:27 I'm just saying on the scoreboard.
00:27:28 I know, but that doesn't mean that matters.
00:27:30 Dallas never even had a quarter.
00:27:32 They played the best for the last five, six minutes.
00:27:34 It doesn't matter.
00:27:35 They built that lead back up to 25 after Dallas got it to eight.
00:27:38 So Dallas makes a run in the Celtics, put the hammer down,
00:27:41 outscored them by 17 until halfway
00:27:43 through the fourth quarter, and then it was garbage time.
00:27:45 So I disagree with that.
00:27:46 Like, I'm not looking at it like, well, Dallas has--
00:27:49 Dallas can build on the side.
00:27:50 Dallas played five good minutes.
00:27:52 Five-- six good minutes in the third quarter.
00:27:54 That's it.
00:27:56 Yeah, you really didn't like that comment from Bobby.
00:27:58 Damn, John.
00:27:58 No, but I just--
00:27:59 I'm not looking at the numbers.
00:28:00 Dallas played six decent minutes of basketball in this game.
00:28:04 You know, I just don't see--
00:28:05 Right, right.
00:28:06 Well, what I was going to say is they barely scratched over,
00:28:09 what was it, 23 points a quarter?
00:28:11 Like, they couldn't even hit 25 for any of those quarters,
00:28:14 which is why I think they're going to struggle-- continue
00:28:17 to struggle to put up points to score, I don't know, 110.
00:28:20 Can this team put 110 up on the reg?
00:28:22 I don't know.
00:28:23 Against the Celtics defense--
00:28:24 It's going to take a lot more from Tyree.
00:28:25 I'm not quite sure against the Celtics defense
00:28:27 that they'll be able to put up anywhere near 110
00:28:30 at any point in this series.
00:28:31 So that's the scary thing for Dallas right now
00:28:33 is you're so reliant on Luka.
00:28:36 In the bigger picture, you're so reliant on Luka and Kyrie.
00:28:39 And Kyrie couldn't do anything in game one.
00:28:43 No impact on the game whatsoever from Kyrie Irving in that one.
00:28:47 And 11 straight losses against Boston,
00:28:49 but I said this in the hit I did with Noah earlier.
00:28:53 It's one thing to lose 11 straight games to Boston
00:28:57 or at Boston.
00:28:58 It's worse to be a big reason that you've
00:29:01 lost 11 straight games.
00:29:02 Good point.
00:29:03 Yeah.
00:29:03 He was shot horribly.
00:29:05 Can't get where he wants.
00:29:06 I think he got blocked like three times in this game
00:29:10 at different points.
00:29:10 Different defenders, too, able to stop him.
00:29:13 Solomon Pritchard, Porzingis, different guys
00:29:16 outside of his position are the guards he's usually going at.
00:29:20 This is scary if you're Dallas here.
00:29:23 And how much of it is him getting distracted
00:29:25 by the crowd, the environment, going back and forth with fans?
00:29:29 I know Mike Gorman--
00:29:30 I don't know if he was on the radio or what--
00:29:32 said that he was engaging one fan in particular up and down
00:29:36 the court.
00:29:37 There weren't middle fingers flying like Brooklyn
00:29:39 a couple of years ago.
00:29:40 But is he distracted?
00:29:41 And I asked him today, how do you deal with the crowd?
00:29:45 How have you learned to deal with the crowd?
00:29:46 Do you ignore them or do you engage with them?
00:29:49 And he said it's fun to engage with the crowd here.
00:29:51 So he plays that tit for tat.
00:29:55 And does it distract him?
00:29:56 Does it take him out of the game?
00:29:57 Does it hurt his focus that much to where he's performed
00:29:59 this badly here in Boston?
00:30:01 You got to start to think about that.
00:30:03 Well, here's a little bit of Kyrie talking about that, too.
00:30:06 Here's Kyrie talking about what went on here.
00:30:09 I actually am not entirely sure which one this bite is.
00:30:11 But I know he was asked a good bit about how he handled
00:30:14 everything here in game one.
00:30:15 Engaging with fans here in Boston is always fun.
00:30:19 Like I said last week, it's something
00:30:21 I've turned the page over on, too.
00:30:23 But people continue to ask me about it
00:30:25 and what I think about it, which is cool, too.
00:30:27 But yeah, this is what makes sports fun.
00:30:29 This is what makes the stories fun.
00:30:31 Getting a chance to go against a giant like this,
00:30:33 whether it be just talking about the team
00:30:35 or talking about the environment and the fans
00:30:37 and how crazy it can get, this is
00:30:39 what I imagine it being like.
00:30:41 Getting to this stage again, earning our way
00:30:43 to be here with my teammates, and being
00:30:46 able to put our best foot forward,
00:30:47 going against the best of the best.
00:30:48 That's all you dream of.
00:30:49 Everything else is just extracurricular.
00:30:51 Celtics just blow up dolls of you outside the arena.
00:30:55 There's a lot of things going on.
00:30:56 What else is there?
00:30:58 There's some things that I probably
00:31:00 can't get into right now.
00:31:02 Again, I've been able to grow over the past few years
00:31:05 to put basketball in perspective.
00:31:07 This is an incredible experience that I
00:31:09 get to live out for quite a few years of my life.
00:31:11 I'm going to learn a lot of lessons
00:31:13 that I'm going to apply to life after this.
00:31:16 I failed miserably, while also not
00:31:19 knowing how to compartmentalize or accept the emotions that
00:31:23 come with failure.
00:31:23 And also being on the successful side,
00:31:26 didn't know how to handle that either.
00:31:28 So the past few years have been about that growth perspective
00:31:31 for me, and learning how to handle myself
00:31:33 in situations and circumstances that
00:31:35 are going to be more beneficial for me to learn now,
00:31:39 than learning it when I'm 38 years old,
00:31:41 and I'm looking back at my career,
00:31:43 and I don't even know how to celebrate that.
00:31:45 I don't expect to be celebrated by everybody.
00:31:48 I'm going to still be aware that a lot of people
00:31:52 want to see me fail.
00:31:53 But again, I think I pay attention more to the way
00:31:56 that I'm celebrated from people that love me unconditionally.
00:31:59 And I go home and I have a peace of mind.
00:32:00 And thinking about my time in Boston,
00:32:03 I could go down a myriad of things
00:32:04 that none of you in here know that I was dealing with.
00:32:07 I don't think a lot of people would care.
00:32:08 I think a few people would care and want to hear about it.
00:32:10 And I would leave that space open in the future
00:32:13 if you ever wanted to hear about it.
00:32:14 But putting in perspective, it's just
00:32:16 the blow-up dolls, all the remarks that are getting said.
00:32:19 That's magical.
00:32:21 When I leave out of here and I walk around Boston,
00:32:24 I don't hear a lot of the things that I
00:32:25 hear when I'm playing on the court.
00:32:27 There's a lot of mutual respect.
00:32:29 There's a lot of eye-to-eye communication
00:32:31 that's built on just being human.
00:32:34 And they appreciate the things I do off the floor as well.
00:32:37 There are a lot of Celtics fans out there that still--
00:32:39 Imagine having to transcribe this crap.
00:32:41 --when I'm on the street walking around, which I do.
00:32:45 He walks around.
00:32:45 I get a lot of embrace.
00:32:46 I take pictures.
00:32:47 My dad is here.
00:32:48 He played at Boston University.
00:32:50 Not once have I seen any of those pictures on social media.
00:32:51 So there has to be respect there.
00:32:52 Because if anything happens to my family while I'm here,
00:32:54 then it goes way beyond the game.
00:32:56 And I don't forget things either.
00:32:58 Somebody threw something at me here while I was here.
00:33:01 I've heard it all.
00:33:03 Nobody asked me how I felt after that
00:33:05 and why it could be a little bit of a traumatic response
00:33:08 when I'm back in this environment
00:33:09 after somebody does something like that.
00:33:11 So things have changed since then.
00:33:13 I've been able to accept what I cannot change,
00:33:16 but also change the way that I look at things
00:33:19 to be more positive.
00:33:20 So this is fun for me, man.
00:33:21 This is healthy.
00:33:22 I'm glad that I could be up on this stage speaking
00:33:24 authentically and then also go home and be at peace.
00:33:27 Is that the longest answer in press conference history?
00:33:32 Bobby, that was every single effing game when he was here.
00:33:37 I'm not even exaggerating.
00:33:38 Win or loss.
00:33:39 Man, I remember one time, I think one answer--
00:33:43 I want to say one answer one time.
00:33:44 I counted over 900 words.
00:33:46 I'm not even kidding you.
00:33:47 I think it was the LeBron one when
00:33:49 you talked about calling LeBron.
00:33:50 And he just went on and on.
00:33:51 But hey, listen, man.
00:33:54 Is the crowd in his head, Josue?
00:33:56 I shouldn't have said transcribe that trash or whatever.
00:33:58 I shouldn't have said it like that.
00:33:59 But what I mean by that is because it's just so wordy.
00:34:01 And yes, I do believe that, Bobby.
00:34:03 I think it's affecting him.
00:34:06 It is.
00:34:06 Of course it is.
00:34:08 That makes me long for ace and tatum press conferences.
00:34:11 My god.
00:34:12 When you couple it with the Celtics' defense
00:34:15 and him just not being able to find his rhythm at all,
00:34:18 yeah, it makes it 10 times worse.
00:34:21 And it's the NBA finals.
00:34:22 I mean, he can walk around smiling as much as he wants.
00:34:26 But I think deep down inside, he's like,
00:34:28 I have to go off tomorrow.
00:34:30 This team really needs them to.
00:34:33 They don't win without it.
00:34:34 They don't win without it.
00:34:35 There's no way this team can beat the Celtics
00:34:38 without Kyrie dropping at least 20-something points.
00:34:41 Which is very possible.
00:34:42 Hold on.
00:34:42 We're going to continue the Kyrie discussion, Bobby.
00:34:44 And I want to get everything that you want to say here.
00:34:46 But we are a tad overdue.
00:34:47 I do want to tell everybody at home about prize picks
00:34:51 if you want to get involved here.
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00:38:08 Let's get back to the Kyrie stuff, Bobby.
00:38:10 You were going to discuss him and his comments
00:38:14 and his Kyreness.
00:38:17 Yeah, so going back to the interview Gary and I did
00:38:21 with him in March, where he talked about turning the page
00:38:26 and moving past that and the fans have a right to boo,
00:38:28 that was a real turning point, I thought,
00:38:31 in the relationship or the story at the very least,
00:38:34 where it seemed like you might slam the book on the story
00:38:40 itself.
00:38:41 And this might have come to an end.
00:38:43 And again, I still feel like atmosphere-wise,
00:38:45 I don't know if you agree, Josue,
00:38:47 that this still felt more like a finals game.
00:38:51 I think the crowd was more into the finals
00:38:53 and what the Celtics were doing rather than the Kyrie element.
00:38:57 It just wasn't the whole Kyrie show
00:38:59 like it was for that Brooklyn game a couple of years ago.
00:39:02 So it's diminishing.
00:39:04 As this series goes on, I think this
00:39:05 is going to be less and less a thing,
00:39:07 even though it's still been a big thing so far.
00:39:09 One of the commenters just said it.
00:39:12 Ollie really has to say to end this in a lot of people's mind,
00:39:15 I think.
00:39:16 Maybe it won't, because I think it's just become such a--
00:39:19 you said it after the last game, John--
00:39:21 an expectation that you have to boo him,
00:39:23 you have to do this whole thing.
00:39:24 Like I said, it was perfunctory.
00:39:25 I didn't feel that it was passion behind it,
00:39:27 because he's been losing.
00:39:28 Not only has he gone and the narrative
00:39:30 has changed since Kyrie left, but he's losing.
00:39:34 You almost don't-- he'd have to beat you
00:39:37 in a couple of games that matter for that hatred to go back up.
00:39:39 It's like Roger Goodell.
00:39:40 It's like some of these guys who--
00:39:41 Exactly.
00:39:42 That's exactly what I was going to say.
00:39:43 He goes out there and wins, and then he does it again
00:39:45 or whatever.
00:39:46 He just goes out there.
00:39:47 Right.
00:39:48 I don't think it would be as--
00:39:49 well, it's already-- yeah, I agree with you, Bobby.
00:39:51 It's not like the last time he was here,
00:39:52 but it's still every time he touched the ball,
00:39:54 he gets the boos.
00:39:55 I heard maybe one or two FU Kyries last time.
00:39:58 We heard like seven.
00:39:59 So yeah, it's not as strong as it used to be,
00:40:02 but it's still going to linger because he
00:40:06 hasn't beaten them yet.
00:40:07 And he hasn't even put together--
00:40:09 I don't think that's what it--
00:40:10 I don't think it's--
00:40:12 I think he put together a huge performance.
00:40:13 If you drop, I don't know, 30-something, and the Mavs win,
00:40:16 and by the time the series comes back around for game five,
00:40:19 maybe you still hear some boos, but it
00:40:21 won't be as vibrant, you know?
00:40:24 But at the same time--
00:40:24 I don't think it's about the fact that he hasn't beat them.
00:40:26 I think it's--
00:40:27 But also, but at the same time, Bobby,
00:40:28 even if he goes out there and were to apologize,
00:40:30 do you really think that it would stop?
00:40:32 That's where I'm stuck.
00:40:33 Yeah.
00:40:34 Too much time has passed.
00:40:35 If he came out and said, listen, said
00:40:39 I was going to resign here, didn't keep my word,
00:40:43 sorry about that, enjoyed my time here, it was great,
00:40:48 let's move past this.
00:40:50 I don't know if that works, like you said, Josue,
00:40:53 because it's just so ingrained at this point.
00:40:56 And John mentioned it.
00:40:57 It's perfunctory.
00:40:58 It's just part of the package at this point.
00:41:02 Whenever Kyrie's on the other marquee,
00:41:05 it's just going to be boos and FU,
00:41:07 and it's just going to be t-shirts with the clown nose
00:41:09 and whatever else.
00:41:10 Just like, how long ago was the Flakegate, John?
00:41:13 But every time Roger Goodell steps foot on Foxborough,
00:41:17 it's going to be boos.
00:41:17 Yeah, but you know what, though?
00:41:19 That'll never be forgiven.
00:41:20 Never.
00:41:22 No.
00:41:22 Never.
00:41:24 No, way more than--
00:41:25 Kyrie left, and you thought it was bad,
00:41:28 and it ended up not being bad, and they were better for it.
00:41:30 The Goodell stuff, never, ever, ever going away.
00:41:35 Ever.
00:41:36 I don't know if this is ever going to go away.
00:41:38 At least totally.
00:41:39 I think it does a little, because eventually you just
00:41:41 kind of stop caring.
00:41:43 But it's been a long time.
00:41:45 It's been five years, and it's still not gone.
00:41:48 But it's the finals, Bobby.
00:41:49 You think the finals is too big?
00:41:52 Yeah, this is Boston, man.
00:41:55 We'll see by the end of this series.
00:41:56 First-round matchup, maybe.
00:41:58 So I disagreed with this from the get-go.
00:42:00 And again, this is my opinion.
00:42:01 A lot of people did their "rate the villains" thing
00:42:04 and had Kyrie near the top.
00:42:05 I don't see it at all.
00:42:08 I think I would have--
00:42:09 Wait, in all sports?
00:42:11 Among the greatest Boston sports villains,
00:42:14 I think that Kyrie was--
00:42:15 he sucked.
00:42:16 What's your Mount Rushmore?
00:42:18 It's hard to say, because you've got to go back in time.
00:42:20 And I'm going to boomer myself out if I do.
00:42:23 But I mean, just in terms of recent memory,
00:42:26 I place Goodell a good bit above that.
00:42:27 He's like Will Chamberlain.
00:42:28 No, I'm just kidding.
00:42:29 A good bit above that.
00:42:30 A-Rod's on there, right?
00:42:31 Ben Drieth.
00:42:33 Drieth, actually.
00:42:34 A-Rod.
00:42:34 A-Rod's up there.
00:42:36 A-Rod was such a bigger villain than Kyrie.
00:42:40 Couldn't stand him.
00:42:43 I would say Mariano, but after he came back
00:42:45 and they cheered him, it kind of just went away altogether.
00:42:47 And then he retired.
00:42:48 Everyone gave him his flowers.
00:42:50 Mariano Rivera, he was a big villain for a while.
00:42:52 But after the Sox won in '04, it was like, eh,
00:42:58 you're not that scary.
00:43:00 And hey, thanks for blowing those games,
00:43:02 because that helped us win.
00:43:04 So he got the sarcastic remark.
00:43:06 And then he smiled.
00:43:06 He tipped his cap.
00:43:07 He smiled.
00:43:08 And it was like the Red Sox fans and Mariano Rivera,
00:43:11 they settled their differences right then and there.
00:43:15 But yeah, I guess Goodell will be up there for sure.
00:43:18 But A-Rod will probably be at the top of the list,
00:43:20 at least for my era.
00:43:21 It's amazing for how good he is and how good
00:43:24 he's been all year.
00:43:25 He's had an excellent season.
00:43:27 He doesn't scare you at all.
00:43:29 You just throw a guy on him, throw some length on him,
00:43:32 and boom, he's out of the game.
00:43:34 It's unreal.
00:43:34 And so that's--
00:43:35 [INAUDIBLE]
00:43:36 Yeah, as we start to forecast the rest of the series
00:43:39 and where this is going, it's impossible
00:43:43 to imagine that Dallas is going to get back in this
00:43:46 unless he turns it around.
00:43:47 And that's why I'm interested in what it looks like when it turns
00:43:49 to Dallas, John.
00:43:51 You know, a series never starts until it flips sides.
00:43:53 It doesn't seem like he can perform.
00:43:55 I'm not-- you know why?
00:43:57 Because the Celtics are road proof.
00:43:59 And so I don't give a crap.
00:44:00 Well, no, I think Bobby means, like, do you get that epic--
00:44:03 It won't be a distraction.
00:44:04 --the epic Kyrie performance in the series.
00:44:06 It probably happens in Dallas.
00:44:07 I think playing on this stage against this team
00:44:12 and the narratives that will follow
00:44:13 is the distraction more so than the crowd itself.
00:44:15 So I don't really--
00:44:17 I don't think it's like the safety of Dallas.
00:44:19 Because you go back to Dallas down 0-2 and you suck,
00:44:21 now Dallas hates you too.
00:44:23 It's worse to be hated there.
00:44:24 If you're like the re--
00:44:26 as you said, Bobby, it was an excellent point.
00:44:28 He's been the reason why his teams have lost a lot of games
00:44:31 against the Celtics.
00:44:32 He's not just losing.
00:44:34 He's the reason why.
00:44:35 He's underperforming.
00:44:36 He's choking badly in these games,
00:44:39 disappearing, shrinking.
00:44:40 And he did it again in game one.
00:44:42 And yeah, look, you want to talk about open looks?
00:44:44 Yeah, he had some threes he could have knocked down.
00:44:47 His-- the first half, every look he had was a challenge.
00:44:51 So it's not exactly it.
00:44:53 Real quick before we move on, I want to let everybody know,
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00:45:00 Get that merch.
00:45:01 --on s.com.
00:45:02 Here's a message from Jimmy Toscano.
00:45:04 All right, guys and girls.
00:45:06 It's time.
00:45:08 Years in the making, months in the lab.
00:45:10 Yo.
00:45:11 It might be spring or summer, but it is definitely
00:45:14 hard hat season.
00:45:16 Boxes are out.
00:45:17 I really hope these aren't eggs.
00:45:19 We're going to do an unboxing right now.
00:45:23 First look live at the hard hat.
00:45:26 What's his booties on?
00:45:28 Don't worry about it.
00:45:29 Don't worry about it.
00:45:30 What's the medical emergency going on?
00:45:32 I might be the first one to get one.
00:45:34 I know that there's a bunch floating around.
00:45:36 Watch this one be hard.
00:45:37 Watch this one be tricky.
00:45:38 These-- let me get a picture.
00:45:40 I can't open this box.
00:45:42 Yo, why didn't you get a night--
00:45:43 Jimmy versus the box.
00:45:46 More compelling than Celtic's badge.
00:45:47 Jimmy versus the box.
00:45:49 Snap one anywhere.
00:45:50 If you do order one--
00:45:51 Get all the edges, man.
00:45:52 --that's for sure.
00:45:53 Get all the--
00:45:53 --it is protected.
00:45:54 This is a struggle right now.
00:45:56 We don't know which way to go.
00:45:57 --need to--
00:45:58 --it's off.
00:45:58 --just one that's going to have like--
00:46:00 You know you can't be recorded either.
00:46:01 That's hilarious.
00:46:04 OK.
00:46:05 Few things in here.
00:46:06 I got myself a little--
00:46:07 a couple things in here.
00:46:09 Got myself a little care package.
00:46:13 This is a mug.
00:46:14 I'm not going to go spend 20 minutes trying to undo that.
00:46:18 Check out the garden report.
00:46:20 Hey, that team's fire.
00:46:22 Ooh, this is nice.
00:46:25 I know these guys.
00:46:26 Few good looking faces here.
00:46:28 These are for sale in the merch store.
00:46:30 Be wearing this tomorrow for game two.
00:46:34 Oh, baby.
00:46:35 Last but not least, oh, it's gear.
00:46:40 It's gear indeed.
00:46:41 Hey.
00:46:42 Yo, that hat is--
00:46:43 --that I've been telling everybody about.
00:46:44 --that card has fire.
00:46:45 We got the Shamrock.
00:46:47 Hard hats, lunch pails, steel toe boots.
00:46:51 And then the garden report logo.
00:46:53 You can't go without that.
00:46:54 Make sure everybody knows.
00:46:55 Just so you guys know, this is a real hard hat.
00:46:58 We've got the interior lining.
00:46:59 This is nice and soft right here, too.
00:47:01 This is this--
00:47:02 Now I see why it took so long.
00:47:04 --hat in the back.
00:47:04 Those are nice.
00:47:05 It's the real thing.
00:47:06 --looks to me like a glove.
00:47:08 Just like that, I'm ready for work, ready for Sunday,
00:47:11 ready for game two.
00:47:13 Jimmy's rocking that at the bar.
00:47:14 These are going to be on sale for game two after the game.
00:47:18 We have, again, it's a limited amount, guys.
00:47:20 So if you want one, got to be quick with it.
00:47:23 Very limited amount.
00:47:24 We're taking it out.
00:47:25 This is a great Jimmy for a loan.
00:47:27 You can imagine these aren't just hanging around.
00:47:29 Also, if you're watching this video
00:47:31 and you happen to watch it soon after I post,
00:47:34 we do have a few that we just released
00:47:36 for sale in the merch store.
00:47:37 Is that the wheel in front of them?
00:47:39 Yeah, I think so.
00:47:40 It's in the merch store.
00:47:41 That's not the URL.
00:47:42 Turn this around.
00:47:44 If we start right now, only a handful, I think.
00:47:46 I'm trying to tell.
00:47:47 Is he on the move?
00:47:48 Pretty sure he can still work, guys.
00:47:50 He's docked.
00:47:52 He's docked.
00:47:53 Well done, Jimmy.
00:47:54 He is docked.
00:47:55 So check it out if you guys want to.
00:47:57 And why not bring the guy on?
00:47:59 Oh.
00:48:00 Why not?
00:48:01 There he is.
00:48:03 Wow.
00:48:04 How's the boat, Jimmy?
00:48:07 Have you taken that thing off?
00:48:08 It's Jimmy Otweek, everybody.
00:48:09 It's Jimmy Otweek.
00:48:10 Can you guys hear me?
00:48:11 Yeah, you sound great, man.
00:48:14 Are you docked?
00:48:14 Just in time.
00:48:15 You're in the water and you're just docked on a boat.
00:48:17 You got like a half hour before you lose the sun light.
00:48:19 This is perfect.
00:48:19 I want to thank everybody for financing this boat purchase
00:48:22 with the hard hat sales.
00:48:23 [LAUGHTER]
00:48:28 You got a quote, David.
00:48:30 I got to say, I never expected it, but man.
00:48:34 Thanks for the Garden Report crew.
00:48:36 Unbelievable.
00:48:38 Garden Report family.
00:48:39 It's Garden Report family.
00:48:40 I want to thank you guys for sticking through that video.
00:48:44 I went 12 rounds with that box.
00:48:46 How mad were you?
00:48:47 I went 12 rounds with that box.
00:48:49 I will say this--
00:48:50 The best part about it, though, Jimmy,
00:48:52 you know you can't re-record it.
00:48:53 So that's hilarious.
00:48:54 You had to put the whole thing out.
00:48:56 I was in way too deep.
00:48:57 I was like, somebody end this right now.
00:49:00 This is turning into a disaster.
00:49:02 But here they are.
00:49:03 We've all been there.
00:49:04 Here they are.
00:49:06 They are real.
00:49:08 You can toss these things, or you can--
00:49:10 I wouldn't say that.
00:49:11 You could probably toss a brick at it.
00:49:13 I wouldn't wear it.
00:49:15 Don't do that, guys.
00:49:16 But here you go.
00:49:17 Here's the logo right here.
00:49:19 I can't figure out what I'm doing.
00:49:21 Here's the logo, a little shamrock,
00:49:24 and the saying that everyone knows very well.
00:49:28 Great quality.
00:49:29 I took it on the boat today.
00:49:32 Held up.
00:49:34 That it's boat-- it's seaworthy?
00:49:37 Just in case.
00:49:39 It was pretty choppy out there.
00:49:40 John, it was pretty choppy out there.
00:49:42 You'd be surprised what comes your way.
00:49:45 Let's go, Jimmy.
00:49:46 Show us a few.
00:49:47 Come on.
00:49:47 There's a handful for sale.
00:49:51 There's a handful for sale right now on the merch store.
00:49:55 Oh, you restocked?
00:49:56 We're hoping to restock.
00:49:58 We're hoping to restock for tomorrow night.
00:50:00 But I know that a few--
00:50:01 They didn't cover box opening at homeschool.
00:50:04 We never got there.
00:50:05 We never got that far.
00:50:07 Yeah.
00:50:07 I was just glad I didn't stab myself
00:50:10 trying to get that thing open.
00:50:11 Yeah, you were doing the frustration thing.
00:50:13 If you do order one, it's not going
00:50:16 to be in a box that says eggs.
00:50:17 It's actually going to be in a package.
00:50:20 I think it's going to be in an envelope.
00:50:22 What's up with that?
00:50:23 You got a special package?
00:50:24 It'll come in bubble wrap, but it'll
00:50:27 be a lot easier to open for those people who
00:50:29 don't want to struggle like I do.
00:50:30 Have you gotten the mug out yet?
00:50:33 I'm going to dedicate an hour to that later, maybe tomorrow.
00:50:36 That thing was really bubble wrapped.
00:50:38 But everything looked pretty good.
00:50:41 The t-shirt was really nice, too.
00:50:43 Well, Jimmy, we got your merch thoughts.
00:50:46 Let's get your basketball thoughts.
00:50:47 Were you following along today with what was going on?
00:50:49 Only briefly.
00:50:51 It's hard out there in the open seas to keep up,
00:50:53 but I did come back to it.
00:50:56 I think Jason Kidd, master troll.
00:50:59 You guys already know my thoughts on Jason Kidd.
00:51:01 He knows what he's doing.
00:51:03 That was my take prior to this whole little spiel
00:51:05 that he went on.
00:51:06 I know what he's doing.
00:51:07 He's trying to rile up the team.
00:51:09 He's trying to pin the two best players against each other.
00:51:12 It's not going to work.
00:51:13 It's just not going to work.
00:51:14 The Celtics are too close.
00:51:15 They can smell it.
00:51:16 They can taste it.
00:51:17 Nothing Jason Kidd can do to stop this Celtics team.
00:51:21 He should be more focused on his players
00:51:23 than on the Celtics players, to be quite frank,
00:51:25 because they quite simply don't have enough talent over there,
00:51:31 as we saw in game one.
00:51:32 I don't really care what they try to do
00:51:34 or what Kidd tries to do.
00:51:36 Maybe Dallas can sneak a game out.
00:51:38 It's not out of the realm of possibilities.
00:51:40 But as long as this Celtics team focuses on themselves,
00:51:43 plays team basketball, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown
00:51:48 continue to play off each other and not do the my turn,
00:51:52 your turn that we used to pull our hair out over, John,
00:51:56 we're not seeing that as much.
00:51:57 We're not seeing that really at all.
00:51:59 It's really whether the Mavericks
00:52:00 try to bait them into it.
00:52:01 So let's talk about this.
00:52:03 And we're going to wrap up in a little bit.
00:52:04 First to the floor is coming up late.
00:52:06 We started late, so we're coming up next.
00:52:08 We're holding them up a little bit.
00:52:09 So there is more basketball talk.
00:52:11 But what do you guys think Dallas does different?
00:52:13 Let's get to the basketball talk.
00:52:15 Do you think Dallas comes--
00:52:17 so here's the thing.
00:52:18 When you're the better team, you just do what you do.
00:52:21 And then you just-- that's what you do.
00:52:24 Celtics, I mean, had to figure out how they were-- they're
00:52:27 just like, I like our team.
00:52:29 I like our defense.
00:52:30 We'll play them straight up.
00:52:31 And that's what they did.
00:52:32 And nothing fancy, no wrinkles.
00:52:35 They just did it extremely well.
00:52:37 Now Dallas has to decide, well, did our shots just not fall?
00:52:43 Do we just need to execute better?
00:52:45 Or do we go about things exactly the same way?
00:52:47 Do we defend them the same way?
00:52:49 Like, they got a ton of threes.
00:52:51 The team that shoots more threes wins the majority of the games
00:52:53 as we've seen throughout the season
00:52:55 and throughout the playoffs here.
00:52:58 Do they try to limit them?
00:52:59 Do they run them off the line?
00:53:00 Do they change how they--
00:53:01 like, does Dallas have to change up to beat the Celtics?
00:53:04 Or do they go back into it and say,
00:53:05 no, we're just going to do it.
00:53:06 But this time, Kyrie and Lucas shots are going to fall.
00:53:08 And we'll defend them a little better.
00:53:10 Anyone see big wrinkles?
00:53:15 I think you might see a Miami-style response there.
00:53:17 That's what I mean.
00:53:18 Do they slow it up a little bit?
00:53:19 I think what he did in game one was a slow tactic with Tatum.
00:53:24 Yeah, but I'm talking all kinds.
00:53:25 They got to catch up in terms of the amount of threes
00:53:27 they're getting up.
00:53:28 It was a runaway win for the Celtics, 42-27, I think,
00:53:33 in three-point attempts.
00:53:34 And you're just not able to keep up with that.
00:53:37 It's going to require, this Jimmy says, 43s.
00:53:41 So I think that's going to be a big part of it.
00:53:45 But like I said, John, I don't know
00:53:46 how you feel about this, Jimmy.
00:53:47 I would keep doubling Tatum.
00:53:49 I would keep showing Tatum those crowds because you just
00:53:52 want to frustrate him.
00:53:53 You want to make it difficult. He turned the ball over
00:53:55 six times.
00:53:56 That was a win in that sense.
00:53:57 And you took him out of the game.
00:53:59 And I think if you're Dallas, you're
00:54:02 OK with Hauser beating you, with Horford beating you.
00:54:06 This is a lie, by the way.
00:54:07 Nobody believes this.
00:54:08 This is a lie.
00:54:09 It's not on Amazon.
00:54:11 We made it.
00:54:12 Yeah, you guys don't know the blood, sweat, tears.
00:54:15 You know how many phone calls I had to jump on?
00:54:17 No, Jimmy, we can't go back.
00:54:18 We can't do 40% merch on the back half of the show.
00:54:20 We did it.
00:54:21 We can't keep doing it.
00:54:22 Don't bait me.
00:54:23 We just ran your profile.
00:54:24 I baited you and you took the bait.
00:54:26 We just ran your--
00:54:27 We got to give the guys some basketball before we wrap it.
00:54:30 What would you change, Jimmy?
00:54:32 If I'm Dallas?
00:54:33 Yeah.
00:54:35 I mean, I think Dallas needs to focus on getting-- again,
00:54:39 this is what I said before the series started.
00:54:41 Their two best players need to get in more ice on one.
00:54:44 I thought this was going to be more of an isolation type
00:54:45 series, but credit to the Celtics.
00:54:47 They're not falling into that trap, at least not yet.
00:54:49 But I think Dallas does.
00:54:50 I mean, Luca did his 30, but Kyrie
00:54:53 fell off the map in game one.
00:54:54 You get 30 or around 30 from him,
00:54:57 it might be a different type of a game.
00:54:59 The Mavericks are able to keep it a little bit closer.
00:55:01 I think they need to figure out a way to defend for Zingas.
00:55:03 I mean, hopefully they'll be a little bit more ready for him
00:55:05 now.
00:55:05 They know what he's capable of.
00:55:07 Don't put guards on him.
00:55:08 Yeah.
00:55:09 Seriously.
00:55:09 They know that he's not going to be a decoy
00:55:11 and that he's going to just play--
00:55:13 he's going to float around the three-point line
00:55:14 and just try to draw defenders out to him.
00:55:17 This guy can actually play.
00:55:18 And they're going to have to be more physical.
00:55:19 I hate to say it.
00:55:20 I don't want them to be, but they're going to have to be.
00:55:22 Luca's a huge guard.
00:55:24 They've got physical guys.
00:55:25 He was horrible.
00:55:26 He was.
00:55:27 And so I don't know.
00:55:28 They kind of got punched in the mouth in that first quarter.
00:55:30 And they never-- yeah, they made a little bit of run
00:55:32 in the third quarter there.
00:55:33 But it just felt like once the Celtics--
00:55:35 once Porzingis sort of jolted that life into the team
00:55:39 and into the arena, it felt like the Mavericks were just
00:55:43 two steps behind the rest of that game.
00:55:45 So I think a better start from them,
00:55:48 again, focusing more on getting Luca and Kyrie in isolation
00:55:50 and switches.
00:55:51 I mean, I know Porzingis played well.
00:55:53 But is he the type of defender that's
00:55:55 going to be able to stay in front of a Luca or a Kyrie?
00:55:58 Is Horford going to be able to keep up with it?
00:55:59 So that's kind of their advantage.
00:56:00 We know that Holiday and White are
00:56:02 going to do their thing on the defensive end.
00:56:04 We know what Jalen Brown's capable of.
00:56:05 And Tatum, when he wants to be, is a great defender as well.
00:56:10 So it's not like they have a platter of options
00:56:13 to choose from to beat this Celtics team.
00:56:15 They're going to have to really just dig deep.
00:56:17 And their stars are going to have to play like superstars.
00:56:19 If this Celtics team plays good, they're hard to beat.
00:56:23 Dallas has to play great to beat this Celtics team.
00:56:26 And it was really not even close to that type of performance
00:56:30 in game one.
00:56:31 The supporting cast was nowhere to be found.
00:56:33 Everyone's telling me, oh, don't sleep on TJ Washington.
00:56:36 Don't sleep on this guy and that guy.
00:56:38 Well, they're the ones sleeping.
00:56:40 Players themselves are sleeping.
00:56:41 I'm not sleeping.
00:56:43 Yeah.
00:56:43 No, no, I agree with all of that.
00:56:45 I don't think we're going to see Hardy getting switched off,
00:56:48 unfortunately, because we did it so many times in game one
00:56:51 or any of the other sides.
00:56:52 Undersized players, because they know that KP, yes, he still
00:56:57 has it.
00:56:58 The rust that they saw in game one wasn't much.
00:57:02 So I think that that's going to be a big adjustment for them.
00:57:04 But also, most importantly, one other thing I want to bring up
00:57:09 is, yeah, getting up as many threes as possible.
00:57:11 I don't know how you try to get Hardaway or Keebler going.
00:57:14 One of those guys or both of those guys,
00:57:16 but they have to get more three-pointers.
00:57:19 And then the top thing, I think, which
00:57:21 is most important for them to win is getting Kyrie going.
00:57:23 And how you do that is a lot of off-the-ball action stuff,
00:57:27 backdoor cuts.
00:57:28 I don't know.
00:57:28 I think they're going to try to do stuff like that.
00:57:29 High percentage looks, because a lot of times
00:57:31 you just couldn't get to the paint.
00:57:33 And the Southern's defense had a lot to do with that.
00:57:34 And I think Jason Kidd's going to make sure
00:57:36 that somehow try to ease that block throughout, especially
00:57:40 with the way the game started, if you guys remember.
00:57:42 It was just everything happened so fast with KP going off
00:57:45 and the crowd getting into it and this humongous lead.
00:57:49 Kyrie didn't have a chance to find his rhythm.
00:57:51 I just felt like they were overwhelmed.
00:57:52 So they're going to try to obviously make sure
00:57:55 that doesn't happen again, because KP
00:57:57 was a big part of that.
00:57:58 But also, they need Kyrie more than ever, honestly.
00:58:01 I mean, it's a good chance they're
00:58:03 going to go back to Dallas down 2-0
00:58:05 if he doesn't put up a terrific performance, if you will.
00:58:09 And I said this before the series began.
00:58:12 I think you can get big games from Kyrie and Luka
00:58:14 and the Celtics still win.
00:58:16 That's the problem, and that's the difference
00:58:18 between these two teams is like, again, I know the regular--
00:58:22 They can combine for 65, but it doesn't--
00:58:24 I know the regular season is different,
00:58:25 but both games, just as an example,
00:58:28 those guys combined for exactly 62 points against the Celtics.
00:58:32 One of them was actually a Luka went off game
00:58:34 and Irving wasn't great.
00:58:35 The other was about 30 apiece.
00:58:37 And that can happen, and it's still fine.
00:58:39 Because if they're doing that, they're probably
00:58:40 not involving other people.
00:58:42 I think you're going to get burned a little bit when
00:58:43 the other guys start knocking down
00:58:45 open threes because you do have to send help,
00:58:47 or Luka starts really cooking Al on a pick and roll,
00:58:51 and then you've got to send some bodies.
00:58:53 That's what's going to be interesting.
00:58:54 And so that's what's going to happen,
00:58:56 is where I think the Celtics survived,
00:58:59 what the Celtics not got away with,
00:59:00 but where the Celtics did great with,
00:59:02 was Horford in isolation, Hauser in isolation, even Pritchard.
00:59:06 They didn't get murdered on those switches
00:59:08 when those guys were out there.
00:59:10 Those guys dominated.
00:59:10 Those guys not only get murdered, they played great.
00:59:14 Hauser was great every time they tried
00:59:16 to create a matchup with him.
00:59:18 The Mavericks got 22% against Pritchard, 26% against Horford,
00:59:23 33% against Hauser.
00:59:26 You couldn't dream of better defensive numbers than that.
00:59:30 The difference is, again, is those guys,
00:59:31 it's again, is that they only have those options here.
00:59:35 And again, they don't play defense.
00:59:38 And when Luka's not out there, you
00:59:40 saw the entire offense tank.
00:59:42 So again, they did everything you're
00:59:43 supposed to do with Luka, which is make him cover people,
00:59:47 get him on switches, exploit him, put pressure on him,
00:59:50 make him run, make him work.
00:59:52 Dude was gassed.
00:59:52 He was barely walking up and down the court
00:59:54 near the end of the game.
00:59:56 So I like that approach.
00:59:57 But guys, do you see anybody--
01:00:00 what's your concern level before we wrap it here?
01:00:02 And we're going to get moving, because we've
01:00:03 got to get first to the floor on.
01:00:04 I want to ask you guys one thing after, too,
01:00:05 because I missed some of your takes.
01:00:07 Well, why don't you ask that thing,
01:00:09 and then we've got to wrap it.
01:00:10 I wanted to know what your thoughts were of Holiday
01:00:14 kind of backing up what Kidd said.
01:00:16 Did he kind of take the bait there, too?
01:00:19 I think he did, a little bit.
01:00:20 But I think it was his way of saying it's really
01:00:23 closer than it should be, the way Jalen's been playing right
01:00:26 now.
01:00:27 He doesn't get enough credit or something like that.
01:00:29 I don't think he was like, oh, yeah, I've
01:00:30 been saying that for months.
01:00:32 I think it's--
01:00:34 I think the media, some people here in the chat,
01:00:37 will kind of, whoa, Drew, does he mean that?
01:00:42 And really, all he was saying was,
01:00:43 Jalen's really friggin' good.
01:00:45 So thinking he's the best player is not wrong.
01:00:49 He's amazing, because he does everything.
01:00:51 I don't think he's--
01:00:53 It's not the craziest take ever.
01:00:55 Drew's not answering it relative to Tatum in any way,
01:00:58 no question about it.
01:01:00 But it came off sounding a little like that.
01:01:03 If Tatum wants to get in his feelings a little bit,
01:01:07 maybe he could.
01:01:07 But I definitely don't think that was it.
01:01:10 But that's what Kidd wants, John and Jimmy.
01:01:12 Look at some of these headlines.
01:01:14 It was kind of surprising for me.
01:01:15 Some of these headlines are like, oh, Jason Kidd
01:01:18 has an eye-opening take.
01:01:19 It's like, isn't that eye-opening?
01:01:22 OK, maybe it's not--
01:01:23 I don't see it.
01:01:24 It's not the consensus.
01:01:26 That's not what most people think.
01:01:28 But it's not like he called out--
01:01:30 30 mode, what LeBron used to do, zero dark, 30 mode,
01:01:34 where he would put the phone down for the playoffs
01:01:36 and just zone in.
01:01:37 That's what these guys need to do.
01:01:39 Oh, that's right.
01:01:39 He did do that.
01:01:40 Two weeks, zero dark.
01:01:41 I don't know.
01:01:42 It's not like he called Drew Holiday or someone else
01:01:44 the best player.
01:01:44 It's like, I don't know if this is eye-opening
01:01:46 or this is jaw-dropping take.
01:01:48 Yeah, what was a little interesting--
01:01:49 and there's not much of it here.
01:01:51 I'll just show you.
01:01:52 These guys, there was a big moment there where they sat--
01:01:56 I only point out a big moment here
01:01:59 because you never see this.
01:02:00 But after these comments and the Celtics' practice window opens,
01:02:05 they walk up there, and Tatum and Brown start talking.
01:02:08 And everyone's going to pile on me for saying this.
01:02:13 They never talk.
01:02:14 They don't.
01:02:15 At practice, they don't.
01:02:17 They don't.
01:02:18 They don't ever--
01:02:19 So true.
01:02:21 1,000%.
01:02:23 They never talk.
01:02:24 Remember, Al said they acknowledge each other.
01:02:26 I'm not saying it to stir anything up.
01:02:29 I am literally telling you as an observation,
01:02:32 they never talk at practice.
01:02:35 I acknowledge some of my best friends in the world, man.
01:02:37 So I get it.
01:02:38 They never-- they don't.
01:02:40 I don't talk to my friends for months, but we're still--
01:02:42 They just go about their-- they'll
01:02:43 be right next to each other, and they do their own thing.
01:02:45 Or at practice, at the end of practice,
01:02:47 Brown's got his stuff at the near basket
01:02:50 where we talk to the people.
01:02:51 And Tatum comes out, and he goes to the opposite one,
01:02:53 and he does his thing.
01:02:54 They're never even working out in the same basket.
01:02:55 Do you think they're making a point?
01:02:57 They never talk.
01:02:59 And so the fact that they went to each other
01:03:01 was noteworthy in the sense that, oh, look,
01:03:03 Brown sought out Tatum.
01:03:05 Again, you just don't see it.
01:03:07 And so that was it.
01:03:07 But everyone was just wondering, are they talking about that?
01:03:10 We're not going to do this.
01:03:11 We're not going to do this thing.
01:03:13 Or are they just talking strategy?
01:03:15 It's just-- I loved seeing it because they don't--
01:03:17 you don't see them.
01:03:19 We would never, ever, ever poke at the narrative a little bit
01:03:23 if you saw them joking with each other
01:03:25 or hanging out a little bit and this and that.
01:03:27 But I'm telling you--
01:03:28 and again, people say they do it away from the court
01:03:31 sometimes or more than we know.
01:03:33 You never see it publicly.
01:03:34 When we're there-- and again, Bobby, Josue, Jimmy, we--
01:03:39 Bobby goes to everything.
01:03:41 You don't see it.
01:03:42 You don't.
01:03:43 So it was interesting to see that.
01:03:44 It was great.
01:03:46 Because of the national-- because all the bright lights
01:03:48 and the cameras.
01:03:49 I'm just wondering.
01:03:49 It was great.
01:03:50 It was great.
01:03:51 Tina was like, let me go talk to this dude right now
01:03:53 so everyone can get this B-roll and shut up real quick.
01:03:55 Guys, I'm telling you right now, I'm
01:03:58 not saying anything other than you literally just don't see it.
01:04:02 Like, you don't.
01:04:04 I think it's important to mention that this
01:04:06 is after kids' comments.
01:04:07 This is after the comments.
01:04:09 You actually-- we're there.
01:04:10 We're not-- you actually don't see it.
01:04:13 Pre-game warm-ups, no.
01:04:14 They don't.
01:04:15 They don't.
01:04:15 This was after both of them went up on the podium
01:04:17 and then they start practice.
01:04:19 And then they let the media watch them for about 15 minutes.
01:04:22 That's when the interaction happens.
01:04:23 I think about it like this, too.
01:04:25 And I know it's probably not this deep.
01:04:27 But where everyone's going to be talking about this all day,
01:04:30 everyone's going to be running their clips and the B-roll
01:04:33 from the court and talking over it,
01:04:36 it's pretty good to have them standing there talking it out.
01:04:40 If that was a moment of solidarity, like, hey,
01:04:42 let's just show everybody this isn't a thing.
01:04:44 Or they could have--
01:04:45 This is what people are going to be talking about it over.
01:04:46 They could have literally just been having a basketball
01:04:48 conversation like two teammates would at any point in time.
01:04:51 And it could have been literally nothing.
01:04:52 But whether the appearance of it was, I thought, kind of cool,
01:04:55 because they talked for a while.
01:04:56 They were there for a good couple of minutes.
01:04:59 And every camera and phone was on the entire thing.
01:05:03 So everyone was like, oh, there they are.
01:05:05 There's the two stars.
01:05:06 So it was great.
01:05:08 And here I am creating false narratives anyway.
01:05:10 I knew it was going to happen.
01:05:12 There's a funny comment.
01:05:13 Zach says, they've never met before.
01:05:15 [LAUGHTER]
01:05:18 That was the first time we met was on the court today.
01:05:27 That's great.
01:05:29 But they know the narrative, guys.
01:05:30 I mean--
01:05:31 We got to wrap it up.
01:05:32 I got guys waiting behind us.
01:05:33 Yeah, we got to go.
01:05:34 OK.
01:05:35 I was just going to say, Tatum said
01:05:37 that they know the narrative.
01:05:38 They talked about this a bunch of times
01:05:40 and didn't put a timetable on it.
01:05:42 But I believe them.
01:05:43 I think they talked about it a lot.
01:05:45 Anyway, thank you guys for hanging out with us.
01:05:47 We do appreciate it.
01:05:48 We'll be back.
01:05:49 Maybe we'll just run out of daylight.
01:05:51 Yeah, I told you guys it's like 20 minutes.
01:05:53 We've got to do some new stuff.
01:05:54 There's a lighthouse.
01:05:55 Guys, I got to hang up the phone, OK?
01:05:58 Guys, I got to hang up the phone.
01:06:00 We got to go.
01:06:02 I got these guys waiting.
01:06:03 First to the floor is next.
01:06:04 No nonsense, real basketball talk.
01:06:07 None of this bullsh--
01:06:08 [LAUGHTER]
01:06:08 --narrative stuff that you guys hate.
01:06:11 Everybody hates this stupid shit.
01:06:14 They're going to talk some real X's and O's
01:06:16 and some real basketball.
01:06:17 So tune in next for these guys.
01:06:20 Let me say one thing, John.
01:06:22 Oh my god.
01:06:23 Every show.
01:06:24 I'm not allowed to go to the games.
01:06:26 I'm not allowed to go to the games.
01:06:27 But as long as it's sunny tomorrow,
01:06:30 all I'm going to do is Celtics.
01:06:32 I'm going to be hanging out at Pier 6 tomorrow before the game.
01:06:35 Anybody going to the Celtics game
01:06:36 looking for a place to hang, if it's nice out,
01:06:38 Pier 6, right over the bridge from the TD Garden in Charlestown.
01:06:41 Good spot.
01:06:42 Right on the water.
01:06:43 We'll do a little Celtics pregame party.
01:06:45 That's my plan.
01:06:46 As long as the sun's out.
01:06:47 If it's raining, it's off.
01:06:48 But if the sun's out, that's where I'm going to be.
01:06:50 Yeah.
01:06:50 6 o'clock.
01:06:51 Not a bad spot to watch the game.
01:06:53 Bye.
01:06:54 Maybe 6.30.
01:06:55 Wait, Ahmed's got an outro for us, I think.
01:06:57 No, he doesn't.
01:06:58 He said he was going to work on an outro.
01:07:00 Man, he had a phenomenal game.
01:07:03 Phenomenal.
01:07:04 [LAUGHTER]
01:07:06 Porfrit's out.
01:07:07 I think it's an awesome.
01:07:08 [LAUGHTER]
01:07:11 That did not sound like a chair.
01:07:13 It was a freaking chair.
01:07:15 It does sound like a chair.
01:07:17 (upbeat music)