On this episode of the Cedric Maxwell Podcast, Cedric Maxwell and Josue Pavon are joined by NBA Champion Rick Mahorn to tell some wild stories from back in the day, and give his predictions for the game between the Boston Celtics and the Detroit Pistons. All that, and much more!
0:00 - Intro
2:59 - Respect the game
6:43 - Taxation on earnings
12:00 - All-time great teammates
20:14 - Family connections
22:50 - Learning from mentors
30:37 - Worst influence debate
36:36 - Gambling as vice
38:41 - Pistons vs Celtics
0:00 - Intro
2:59 - Respect the game
6:43 - Taxation on earnings
12:00 - All-time great teammates
20:14 - Family connections
22:50 - Learning from mentors
30:37 - Worst influence debate
36:36 - Gambling as vice
38:41 - Pistons vs Celtics
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00:00All right, it's another episode of the Cedric Maxwell podcast.
00:11I am Josue Bavone alongside Cedric Maxwell and our special guest, Rick Mahorn, Pistons
00:16legend, Pistons broadcaster, radio broadcaster, Rick Mahorn.
00:22What's up, Rick?
00:23Man, all this bullshit introduction, man, I could have did better myself.
00:26Why don't you just say Hampton's Finest or something like that?
00:30So you want-
00:31That's too easy.
00:32It's too easy for you.
00:33You ain't got to build me up.
00:35People know I'm the bad boy.
00:36Well, look, look, I tell you what I got for you.
00:40Pretty soon you're going to have somebody going to be serving you for some shit that
00:44you did to me about damn 30, 40 years ago when you fouled my ass.
00:50You know how they go back with these lawsuits now, Rick, where they go, if you got hit by
00:54Rick Mahorn, then, you know, you're, you can get some money.
01:01Come on, man.
01:02Hey, that's what they call that disability.
01:05Get your Medicaid card, get all that and that's what they call it, call it Medicaid.
01:14And then you get that prepaid food card.
01:16Go ahead and get it, Max.
01:18I'm gonna get it.
01:19We want to know because I've seen you, you're about to have an operation, right?
01:24How are you?
01:25How you been doing?
01:26That's correct.
01:27I had a, you know, I had a consult earlier today, you know, getting, you know, we had
01:32positive thoughts leaving out, but sometimes, you know, when you go under the knife, it's
01:37always that case of nervousness, anxiety, and it just, you know, but I felt better going
01:43out, but shoot, after time, you know, you go in there and he's looking at the hospital
01:48and you're going like, damn, look at all these people with these masks and walking
01:53around with canes and all this stuff.
01:54But you know what?
01:55Hey, that's what God, God's got a good plan for me.
01:59So I'm looking forward to it.
02:00Now, you've been, this is one of those questions I always want to ask you physically.
02:05You've been really healthy, you know, for a big guy, you, you know, play the game the
02:09way you did to see your body start to change and things start to break down.
02:15How did that make you feel?
02:16Because I know my damn back, man, is all screwed up right now.
02:19Man, it made me feel like I did something that I would have did for free.
02:26You know, we played basketball, bred on the, on out and on the concrete and canvas sneakers.
02:33I would have did this for, I would did this shit for free because I love basketball.
02:38I love sports.
02:40But you know, as we get older, it'd be, you remember, he listened to them old heads on
02:45the sideline.
02:46Man, you better don't do that, man.
02:48You go right.
02:49And then we sit there and go like, man, I want to hit that shit.
02:51And next thing you know, we, we, that old dude said, man, you better not do that.
02:57But you got to look at it now, bro.
02:59I'll be looking at the game now.
03:01It's like, it's not as physical, but I just, what, what personally, I would just want these
03:08young guys to respect the game like we did.
03:12And not only respect the game, but respect us because if it wasn't for us or the people
03:18before us, it wouldn't be nothing.
03:21Instead of thinking you did, you just invented the world.
03:26When you hear these, these asinine thoughts, these guys come out, oh, this, you, you know,
03:31they couldn't play.
03:32You could, they couldn't play when we play, but you know, that's what's, that's what it's
03:36called progression.
03:37Hey, they ain't even look, I know you, you're about my age too.
03:42We all, you know, it was the draft and they ain't even, they never heard of the draft
03:47because once you turn 18, you have to go to the, you have to file for the draft and I'm
03:52sitting there going like, but then meanwhile, they don't understand what the foreign guys
03:56go to go through because they have to do a service for their country.
04:02And it, it depends on what they want.
04:04If you have to give money, if you're a basketball player like Dino Raja, you had them up there
04:09and up there in Boston, Dino used to just pay them.
04:12Here you go.
04:13Uh, uh, my service is rendered, but that's what you had to do, man.
04:18Come on, Jason.
04:19Let me, let me, let me ask you, here's the question.
04:22How many people would have got killed if you were playing for $500,000 for a game?
04:27Like they're playing in that cup game right now.
04:30How many people, how many people would be able to walk away?
04:33Especially back then.
04:35Hey, forget that.
04:36I was doing it for 60,000.
04:40Division two, man, we had to share cafeterias with everybody else.
04:44We ain't had no NIL.
04:46You know, we get a couple of dollars back in the day.
04:49You figure like, boy, I'm rich and being a welfare kid with a single parent, my mom tried
04:55to give us everything, but you know what, all she had to do is give me love.
04:59And that was about the best thing you can ever do for your children, for your parents.
05:05It's all about the love.
05:06Money don't mean, money helps, but money don't mean a lot when you just got enough
05:11with the love of your family.
05:13You know, Rick, I was talking to Max last episode about the last time he played a pickup
05:18game or just had to put those sneakers on one last time.
05:22And it's not that far removed from his last day in the NBA.
05:27How far is your last time you took the floor?
05:29What was that like?
05:30I'll put it this way.
05:32I mean, get on the floor and play a competitive game or get on the floor and play bullshit
05:38games.
05:39BS games, just up and down with a half court or full court.
05:42I'm 66 and check this shit, I was still playing ball.
05:47And Brad, you know, once the league started expanding, then all of a sudden it was weak.
05:52So now the more you expand, that's when you got guys, you know, it wasn't shit.
05:57I could go back all the way to my first year.
06:01It was only 11.
06:02This was before I even, you know, before Brandon, it was only 22 teams with 11 players on the
06:08team.
06:09And you talked about a straight up fist fight for $50,000.
06:13I was going to whoop somebody's ass because I wanted a job.
06:17Now when you look at it, you talk about the Emirates game for 500k.
06:24Nobody would be standing.
06:28It's just, you know, the rules have changed, but I think it's fun for the league because
06:34you get two teams that, hey, you know, this can change someone's life.
06:38A guy that don't even play that's on the roster and, you know, even though 500k now today
06:47and then today's ain't a lot because half of that shit going to the government, then
06:52the city, then this and the state, and then you're getting taxed in every damn city you
06:57go play it.
06:58And shit, Brad, we still getting taxed and we ain't playing.
07:02That's bullshit.
07:03I can see if I was making $500,000 like I was playing, but now you get, you know, tax
07:14everywhere.
07:15Everybody wants, everybody wants some.
07:16So it is what, but Brad, you write for 500k.
07:21I might have to, you know, if my mother was playing, you know, I ain't going to kiss her.
07:25I'm going to knock her ass out.
07:27Let me, let me ask you this story was so funny last time you said, when you, when you see,
07:33when you see LeBron James, are you more annoyed or are you more amazed about what he's doing
07:40right now in the league?
07:42Brad, what I'm annoyed is what I'm annoyed with is social media and nothing's wrong with
07:50it.
07:51I mean, nothing's wrong with it used properly.
07:53Remember we had to read the newspaper the next morning and next thing you know, we wouldn't
07:58get information about nobody, Jason, until about a week later.
08:03But now it's so instantaneous that if LeBron breaks his fingernail or Steph Curry, a piece
08:10of his hair comes out, all of a sudden it's big news.
08:13So I like this new way of getting information, but I don't like it the way they use it to
08:22promote bullshit.
08:23So, but I figured, you know, a lot of times when I'm looking at it, Oh, it's on social
08:30media.
08:31It must be true.
08:32Hey, you know what?
08:33Hey, the truth is what, where you go ask that person, Hey, LeBron, is your fingernail hurt?
08:38You know what's going on.
08:39But now, you know, remember Brad, if you took a day off, you took a game off the next game
08:49and that guy that just got in front of you, because I know you had McHale on your ass
08:54and you just like, I'm gonna bust his ass every stinking day.
08:58And when Rodman and Sally, I was going to kick their ass every stinking day, because
09:05this is my job.
09:07This is my position.
09:09And the only way you won't get it if I, if I, if I'm dead and buried a lot with the Celtics
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10:08So with that, with that being said, hold on, with that being said, I knew Rick might say
10:11something right now.
10:12I knew it.
10:13I knew it.
10:14Biggie small.
10:15Get money.
10:16Get money.
10:17That's right.
10:18That's right.
10:19And I ain't mad at you paying bills, son.
10:20We got to do it.
10:21We got to do it.
10:22We've got a lot of reason now, you know, you got to pay to pay the bills here.
10:29Hey, Brad, you wanted this.
10:31You know, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I
10:38love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love,
10:39I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love,
10:40I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love,
10:41I love, I love, I love, I love, I love for you.
10:42I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love for you.
10:43And you know, much as I hate Boston, it's going to be fun to get back up there and Beanton
10:46and just enjoy the fans.
10:48Pretty pretty amazing, but they're assholes.
10:52And thank God.
10:54Thank God.
10:55Listen, thank God that they have assumed names now, because bread, we used to play
11:01you.
11:02They was called in our wounds and see this technology again they were calling our wounds
11:06, and I never get called so many n words in my life.
11:10And it was like, I had one dude on there that messed around, and we had caller ID, and we
11:19called him at 3, 4, 5.
11:23We called him twice at 2 in the morning, because back then, you get that phone, man, we tore
11:29his ass up.
11:30Man.
11:31But, you know, it was a different, it was really a different time that you and I played
11:37in.
11:38And when you think about the era, and people, and respecting people, respecting the game,
11:44got legends that you played with.
11:46You know, you could go down, this is one thing I was thinking about the other day, and did
11:51I play on, did I play, I had, I'm going with my, and this is not politically correct, but
11:56this is what we do.
11:58I'm going with my all-white team, the guys that I played with.
12:02I played with the best all-white team ever.
12:05Now I got Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, I got John Havlicek, I got Dave Cowens, and I got
12:19the guy you hate the most, I got Danny Ainge.
12:21Can you find me a better all-white team?
12:26And Pete Marabitch also, I played with him.
12:31Okay, so when I look at, I played with Jeff Rulon, and also, I mean, and Bill Lambeer,
12:38and then you go, I go a little bit, let's see, who else did I have?
12:44Not Kevin Grievey, no, let me stop grieving.
12:49But then you look up, so my all-white team is one of the best all-white teams ever put
12:56together, right?
12:57Yeah, I'll put it, yeah, I'll give it to you.
13:00You know, in D.C., and when we won the championship, all we had was Bill Lambeer, and we called
13:07him my honorary brother, because he would wear it with his little tight butt slacks
13:12and all that stuff, but hey, man, that was, let's see, Lambeer, let's see, Jeff Rulon,
13:19who was a beast, played with Dino Raja, but you know, do we consider him white or do we
13:25consider him a generation?
13:29But shoot, you got me thinking, bro, most of the time, all I saw was brothers, and no
13:38Spanish dudes at all.
13:41Brothers to the left are your brothers to the right of you, that's what it was.
13:45Even a few light-skinned brothers, baby.
13:47Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I thought about that the other day, I said, man, the team that
13:52I played with, the white guys I played with, I don't think there could ever be, I'm just
13:57thinking of the teams that, I can't think of a better one that you can have a combination
14:04of somebody else who played with that many white guys who could play the game at that
14:08level.
14:09I'm still thinking about it, I mean, damn, you gonna have me think about this shit, then
14:14I'm gonna call you later, or I'm gonna text you later and say, listen, this is, man, fuck
14:20that, but I'll tell you right now.
14:22You got me thinking recently, just not even, I can't even think of one.
14:24Well, Boston got, listen, that damn Peyton Pritchard, I could kick his little ass, that
14:28little motherfucker, man, and I hate to call him a little, but that little motherfucker
14:33bad, and then you go, that damn Houser shoots some fucking jumpers, and then you throw in
14:39them big poor Zingas and that other big fucker, is it Cornette, and you throw him in there,
14:45it was like, damn, these are, this is all a white team, this is all a white team, but
14:49they're kicking our ass right now.
14:52But you know what, I told, I told, I told Peyton Pritchard that, I said, dude, let me
14:57tell you what, you're lucky right now, you're playing now, you're going to try to get a
15:01rebound during the 80s or the 70s, and you, and you, you under, you under, man, those
15:07were the, they would have told you, you might got one, but damn it, you ain't getting, you,
15:12the next one you'll get, you'll get from the hospital.
15:15You know, ready to be in that pain area, everything is free, you know, just bling it out there
15:21and say, yeah, bring your bitch ass in here again.
15:25I mean, the game has changed, the game has changed.
15:28But you know, people, people wouldn't believe that that, those were the words that were
15:32said when you play, you were getting cussed out all the time, you were getting, you were
15:37getting assaulted every time you went on the floor, especially if you could play, and you
15:42better not be a guy on the bench talking shit, and you can't play.
15:46Oh, man, your teammates, man, shut up, shut your damn mouth, because this dude right here,
15:51this dude right here is going to fuck me up because of you, you ain't even coming out
15:56here.
15:56And then you go take it out on them on practice, and then that fucker be like, I ain't saying
16:02shit else, he'll be sitting there mumbling, but I love, you know, when you look at the
16:07game today, you know, I look at it, they're getting younger, which, you know, we got teenagers
16:13in there, and I, you know, it should be something where they do, remember, now they got the,
16:18what is it, rookie transition program.
16:21But what I think about that rookie transition program, they're not given history.
16:27And see, I learned history going to an all-black college where I looked at, like, I looked
16:34at people like Earl of Pearl Monroe, Bobby Dandridge, Willis Reed was my hero, and I
16:39didn't even know that he went to Grambling.
16:42So I'm looking at them, and then I'm looking at other people, Sam Jones, I'm sitting there
16:46going like, Sam Jones won 10 championships, and I'm going like, nobody talks about him.
16:53Or Al Adams, I mean, these are people that battled in this league, Clem Johnson from
16:59FAMU, you just go like, damn, Carlos Terry, then you go, okay, Ben Wallace from Virginia
17:07Union, Oakley.
17:08These are the people that when I look at my wall of, you know, historically black players,
17:14I just go like, who's the first person to play?
17:16And then you go, okay, who's the, they don't even know the history of who's the first
17:22black person that played in this NBA, or who got drafted in the, Earl Lloyd, Earl Lloyd,
17:29I got a chance to see, you can look up on my wall, right there.
17:33That is, of course, that's Willie, you know, that's Hank Aaron, but underneath, that's
17:39my man Earl Lloyd played for the Syracuse Nats.
17:42And you go, damn, people don't even know that.
17:45You know, you go, you do your history, do your homework, and that's how you respect
17:50the game.
17:50Because, Brett, I don't know if you get on the bus or I get on the bus, half of them
17:54don't know who the hell we are.
17:56Look, let me tell you, and he's right about that, because the first time, Jason Tatum
18:08kind of knew me, but he didn't know me.
18:10And then one day he was like, came out on the court, this guy started shooting, he's
18:14like, Cornbread, Cornbread.
18:16I said, what's wrong with you?
18:18He said, I saw you on that 30 for 30.
18:20Damn, you're a bad motherfucker, man.
18:25So you're introduced to history with some of the games that you might have played in.
18:32I mean, I showed the tape of you elbowing me, I gave you a pump fake and you came down
18:40full bore, you ain't trying to help me up.
18:43I showed this to Joe Mazula, head coach of the Celtics.
18:46He said, man, I like that, I like that.
18:51He said, there need to be more of that in the league.
18:53I was like, damn.
18:55Joe loves that.
18:57I showed it to Tatum, I showed it to Brown, and all they did was go.
19:04And the first thing they started saying is, how many games did he get suspended for?
19:10I said, zero.
19:12Hey, Jay.
19:13Were you even subbed out?
19:15Listen, man, please, if you don't get up, you ain't going to play the rest of the game.
19:21But I'll tell you, he pump faked me any time after that game.
19:29Nope, nope, no, no more pump fakes.
19:31I'm going to shoot this shit right now because I ain't got time for you to hurt me with this
19:36250 pound body jumping on my ass.
19:39But you know what?
19:40I can see you seeing guys now how they try to avoid it when somebody gives them a pump
19:46fake, and they'll try to jump out the way.
19:48You ain't even trying to jump out the way.
19:50You already committed to crime.
19:53It's like driving a car, you speeding, speed limit 75, you doing 90, and then oh.
19:59Oh my god.
20:02Just might as well take the hit.
20:03But I look at that, and when you talk about Tatum, and you talk about Brown.
20:08And you know, Brad, I got a chance to talk about Tatum.
20:12We have a connection.
20:14I have family that coached him down there at Chaminade in St. Louis.
20:19So that was kind of a connection.
20:20But just to see them guys once they see us on 30 for 30 and all that kind of stuff, it
20:26gives us it gives us resolve that, hey, you did watch ESPN, and you know what to do.
20:33Look, our people be like shit.
20:35They got that.
20:36If they look at the movies, who Keith Wilkes played, Cornbread, Maxwell and me, whatever.
20:41I was like, that's the wrong person.
20:43But that's Hollywood.
20:46That's the real Cornbread over there.
20:48That's right.
20:50And when I tell you, you go down, and I said, this dude was the MVP of the NBA finals and
20:58shit.
20:58People go like, oh, I thought it was Bird.
21:00But here's the question that I want you to do to him next time you see him.
21:04Both of you up.
21:05Who was the last guy or name the two people name the two people in the NBA and NBA history
21:13won MVP and Rookie of the Year.
21:18I know I know I know one of them because he's your guy.
21:21West on sale.
21:22Okay.
21:23West on sale was one of them.
21:25Rookie of the Year and MVP.
21:29Damn.
21:30The second one is the Rookie of the Year and the MVP.
21:35No, no, no, no, no.
21:38Magic wasn't in that.
21:39Damn.
21:40That's pretty good.
21:41Whoa.
21:41Just give me a second.
21:42I got to get this year.
21:44I knew it was West on sale because that's one of my favorite stats.
21:49But here's the thing.
21:52It's so crazy that you say that because nobody knows.
21:56And that's the fact that I played with a guy that was like, you know, my mentor, my daddy.
22:02God bless his soul.
22:02But he taught me how to be a pro in this league.
22:06Him and Adrian Dantley.
22:07So I look at them and I go like, oh, these dudes.
22:10And a lot of kids don't even know Adrian Dantley.
22:12Man, I ran.
22:13Look, I ran into that West on sale pick.
22:16That brother hit me so damn hard, man.
22:18I'm still like, I still think my spine is out of whack, man.
22:24Nobody called the pick.
22:25I was running full speed, trying to guard somebody as a rookie.
22:29And nobody said nothing.
22:31He stood there.
22:32And it's like I ran into a brick wall.
22:34And you can hear the crowd go.
22:42Who is this second guy, though?
22:44It's too easy.
22:45Will Chamberlain.
22:48Oh, I was going to guess that.
22:49I should have.
22:50Will Chamberlain.
22:51But you know, the first time when I go to camps or something like that, the kids go,
22:55oh, oh, no, it was Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson.
23:01Of course, they're going to.
23:02But then I tell them, why are you worried?
23:04You know, the league.
23:06And then I asked him, how long you think the league has been the NBA?
23:10And they don't know.
23:11It's been over 70 going on 75 years.
23:14Over 75.
23:15Yeah, what was the surprise?
23:16Surprised me.
23:17Somebody said there was only about 6,000 people.
23:20We played in 75 years.
23:23Only 6,000 of us.
23:25I told you that.
23:27Yeah, he was the one I told you.
23:29It was the ones that you because you get repeaters.
23:32Yeah.
23:34Rick, I thought it was I'm thinking in my mind.
23:36It got to be, you know, 15, 16,000 people.
23:40Easy 6,000 people that now that tells you really how good you got to be.
23:47The repeaters you talk about.
23:49And just wait.
23:50Here's the biggest thing.
23:51We talked about the league.
23:53When Ricky and I came in the league, you were fighting for that position.
23:58You had to earn and him more than me.
24:01But I was a first round pick.
24:03Ricky came from all black school.
24:06So a lot of times it was it was segregation towards him.
24:10It's like he couldn't play.
24:12So he went through a whole nother trial and tribulation that I didn't go through.
24:16So I thought was absolutely crazy.
24:18But that was that was that was real, you know, real shit.
24:23When you think about the way we had to fight for our positions and, you know,
24:27hold it down and all this other stuff is crazy.
24:30So what was those first first couple of years like, Rick?
24:33Well, you know, being Division Two, being from Hampton Institute,
24:38first and foremost, they think I just got out of prison
24:41and think I was institutionalized.
24:44But, you know, the fact of the matter, I had Mitch Cupcak, Dave Corzine.
24:49We you know, they had a bunch of repeaters.
24:52And, you know, I sat there and I'm looking at these dudes.
24:55They didn't a lot of them be thinking that they know basketball, but they didn't.
24:59I knew fundamental.
25:01And the fact of the matter, I could play multiple positions.
25:05And a lot of guys come in the league and just say, oh, I'm a center or I'm a forward.
25:11Or I'm a guard.
25:12But you may be best suited for that team, accepting a role.
25:16So I learned from Unsell that I could play center and I could play power forward.
25:20Now I knew I learned how to play the three position,
25:23because a lot of times you get caught in transition.
25:26Would you want me to just run down the middle of the court?
25:28Hell no, I'm gonna get out here on this open spot and try to drive and give me a layup.
25:33You see me, I may put my hand up, give it up.
25:36But that's the thing about fundamental basketball.
25:39And then we get the guys that come in from high school or one year college guys.
25:44Are they fundamentally sound?
25:45But then you get the guys in the second round who's already seasoned,
25:51already knows how to do a back cut or knows how to do a reverse pivot.
25:57You have to teach these.
25:58That's why they got 30 coaches.
26:00Let me ask you this.
26:00What was the best lesson you learned that you can remember from a player and a coach?
26:08So give me one from a player and one from a coach.
26:10Because you were the great Chuck Daly,
26:12but there was other people out there that people don't know about.
26:16And give me a player that says, mine was Dave Bing.
26:20Dave Bing came to me my rookie year and he talked to me.
26:23He's like, Brad, you can be in this league for a while,
26:25but you have to keep your nose clean and you have to be ready to listen
26:30and you have to be ready to learn.
26:32And that was the best words I got from a player.
26:35I got that same message from Wes Hunsell.
26:38That's why I said that's my daddy.
26:42Every time I see his son, Wes Jr., it brings me to life.
26:47That's my family.
26:49And Wes taught me just what you just said.
26:52Listen and learn, but also keep your nose clean.
26:55Because there's so many distractions that we see off the court from a player.
27:02And as for a coach, of course, it's going to be Daddy Rich Chuck Daly.
27:06Because Chuck Daly, you know, he was an exquisite dresser.
27:12And you know, Brad, we learn every time I see you be looking sharp.
27:17We learn from our other people.
27:18And I was just talking to the missus and stuff saying, why?
27:22Or no, I was talking to my son.
27:25And it's like, why do these guys all want to look the same?
27:29You know, you go on the road and see that they got, all right, I'm going to get braids.
27:33I'm going to get curls.
27:34I'm going to get dreads or whatever.
27:35But then you see them with all their pants down.
27:38I ain't got time to look at a lot of straws.
27:41Come on, man.
27:44Now they're getting paid $50 million.
27:45You still looking like one of the dudes from prison, Ward 8.
27:51You want your pants baggy, but you jump into a big bottle.
27:54Yeah, but Rick, not even the coaches are dressing anymore.
27:57You know, I think that's kind of different.
27:59Well, you know, I kind of like it because they keep uniformed.
28:03You know, it's basically because we wear uniforms, but I would love for them to sit on that bench.
28:09Brad, I got paid a lot of off court money just because I will come to each game that I didn't
28:16play dressed to the nine because then they look at it because now you're a professional.
28:21You know, you ain't got to look me up to know that I got nice.
28:24I dress nice, but I dress nice because I want I represent my family.
28:30And, you know, if I walk around here, my sons, if I walk around with my pants hanging off my ass
28:35and my drawers are dirty, they're going to get me.
28:37You know, it's like, oh, nobody wants to see them stains because he ain't white.
28:42Sometimes, you know, you're sitting on the bus and you
28:44and you're sitting in these guys walking by him like.
28:47But it's not to me.
28:54I always said to a lot of the rookies or some that really know me, I said, respect the game,
29:01you know, respect the game, because if you respect the game, the game will respect you.
29:07And that's what I like to see more of with the league.
29:11I think when Allen Iverson and him got in with the ball caps, the hats backwards,
29:16you know, where great times are good times.
29:19Yeah, different times because that was the hip hop world.
29:22But you know what?
29:24That's my era, Max.
29:25That's my right there.
29:26Yeah.
29:26So I look at that right there and I said, you know, you can be correct.
29:30You know, you don't have to have shit hanging off your ass and jumping
29:34and jumping in a fucking Benz or Maybach.
29:38And you got your girls hanging down.
29:41You know, you're you're right when it comes to that.
29:44And but, you know, during that era, which I thought was the funniest thing,
29:48was the fact that those baggy pants, they wore.
29:51Iverson would make a move and he had to pull his pants back.
29:54He made the move.
29:57How comfortable can that feel?
29:58No, every time, you know, you go back to the hood, you go back.
30:03Man, if a cop come there, they weren't pulling their pants, dumbass.
30:07You got to wear some some some you got to wear some leggings or some shit
30:12so nobody can catch your ass.
30:14No, what you had to do was you had to have the shorts underneath the pants.
30:17So you was ready to ball whenever and help keep your pants up.
30:20But that was that was for the real ballers out there.
30:23Well, the real ballers, we ain't give a shit.
30:24We playing in the jeans or whatever because we get out there.
30:28And also you got a game.
30:29We don't catch a game.
30:30You got a ball.
30:31Yucks.
30:32That was crazy.
30:33Let me ask you this question.
30:34Here's a good one.
30:36What is the what's the worst influence?
30:38Drugs or women in the NBA?
30:40Drugs or women?
30:42I put I put the drugs with the women.
30:48And the reason why I say that, because, you know, they're both drugs, you know, but if you
30:53if you're single and you know what you want to do, you could do what you want to do.
30:58But then, you know, like there was this and I see the same hole everywhere, every every
31:04little ego, every other city we go.
31:09Listen, boy, I almost got caught up when they traded one guy off our team and that girl was
31:15coming to check me.
31:16I'm like, I want that.
31:19I said, I said, excuse me, miss.
31:21I went to Hampton.
31:21Ratio was ten to one.
31:23I don't have time for that.
31:27People don't understand the real NBA back then was there were women were predators.
31:35And you would go to.
31:37And you didn't know that that one.
31:41Well, well, not all of them, but there were a lot of them.
31:44I ain't gonna say all of them, but but but there were a lot of women who were predators
31:49at that particular time because you go when you got traded to another team or you went
31:54to another team, you found out that somebody you were seeing was seeing somebody was also
31:59seeing somebody else.
32:00So that's predator shit right there.
32:04I say all of them.
32:06Kenny Martin had interesting take about that with his son telling more to his son about
32:10those type of females.
32:11Well, I can tell you right now, it's it's it's it's kind of a cycle because, you know,
32:17I guess it's still around.
32:19But that's why I go straight to my room.
32:21Don't go to the bar.
32:22And, you know, but you all now we all come on.
32:29I'm 34 years in.
32:31I'm good.
32:32Oh, folks.
32:33Oh, folks ain't gonna do that no more.
32:35We're trying to get back to after we get off the bus.
32:38We're trying to get to our rooms.
32:39But back then we weren't, you know, back then we were just hanging out.
32:44And I understood that.
32:45I understood the game.
32:46But it was a game after the game after the game that went wrong because my rookie year,
32:52I always remember there were four or five guys who were sitting in the room.
32:56They were all they were all snorting coke.
32:59And I just looked at them.
33:00I'm like, damn.
33:01And they kept they kept calling me.
33:03Look, come over and get some, man.
33:05I'm like, no, man, I'm good.
33:06I'm good.
33:06I'm good.
33:07But it was.
33:08But then how they got me, they got me on the woman's side.
33:16That's why you ask this question.
33:18The one that's going to get you one, I'm going to get you either women or the drugs.
33:22The drugs didn't get me, but the women.
33:24Oh, that was a whole nother story.
33:26It's the same.
33:27There's a drug.
33:28It's the women.
33:30It's a drug because then you're getting addicted to something.
33:33But like you just said, you go, I mean, I'm sitting here.
33:37I'm going like I did grow up in the hood.
33:39I tried to keep, you know, kept my nose clean and didn't didn't smoke.
33:44Then you go, OK, this is where in this city, what Kansas City or something, or you go to
33:50this city where it's nothing to do.
33:52And next thing you know, this dude pulls out the little packets and it was like, damn.
33:58And then next thing you know, they pulled out another little packet.
34:01And I'm like, what the hell am I missing?
34:04Because when I did try it, my gosh, that thing blew my whole nostril out and blew my head
34:10back in.
34:11And then you see guys going into rehab.
34:13And, you know, I played with John Lucas, played with John Williamson.
34:18And, you know, I played with that.
34:19And then crack was the big thing back then.
34:22But here's the here's the funny thing.
34:25When you look at it, these guys will get pulled over in the car and stuff like that.
34:29Now this instant instant news who's getting pulled over, why are they getting pulled over
34:34and thinking that they're bigger and better instead of just, you know, complying?
34:39But, you know, it is what it is, man.
34:41I'll take a quick break.
34:42We'll get back to this conversation.
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36:35I'll tell you right now, when you get caught gambling like Pete Rose up in there as players.
36:42See, that's another vice.
36:43That's another vice, Rick.
36:44You talk about the money and the women.
36:45But now, especially with the sports betting and how it's so accepted throughout the U.S.
36:52U.S.?
36:53U.S.?
36:54You mean worldwide?
36:56Oh, yeah.
36:57True.
36:57But I mean, I'm talking about the NBA players, right?
36:59I mean, someone was banned last season for getting involved with something like that.
37:04Yeah.
37:04He was playing mostly in the G League, but he's out the league now because he got
37:09caught up in a sports betting scandal.
37:11But he must be get money.
37:13He must have got a lot of money.
37:17I can't even do it.
37:18Brandon, I can't do that.
37:19It's like, you know, but I understand.
37:22I just go to the barbershop.
37:25Wow.
37:26Wow.
37:28There you go.
37:28He getting it.
37:30All right, Joe Sway.
37:31That's how that goes down.
37:33That's how that goes down.
37:33All right, Joe Sway.
37:34Let's wrap this puppy up, man.
37:36So I'm just going to say my last question is with the Pistons coming off of such a big
37:41win against the Knicks, what can we expect in this Celtics matchup on Thursday?
37:45Well, I hope that, you know, we don't turn the ball over, but we don't start off slow.
37:50When the Celtics jumped up on us real quick, they played, you know, they played like the
37:56champs did.
37:56They are, but they let us back in the game.
37:59So right then and there is some confidence going into Boston.
38:03And it's the fact that, hey, we can, if we can win in New York, we can win in Boston.
38:07And the team is playing better than they were last year.
38:11You know, we got with Cade playing, walking around, triple, double.
38:15You got, you know, guys like Ivy and also guys.
38:19Get the hell out of here.
38:20You ain't winning that damn game in Boston.
38:23Get the hell out of here.
38:24You ain't winning that game.
38:25I know I can't bet, but I know you better bring me out.
38:28If I'm coming, I'm letting you know.
38:30Yeah, we'll put you on.
38:31We'll put you on the picks.
38:32We'll get you prize picks, you know?
38:33Yeah, I don't.
38:34Yeah, that's probably as big as him making another sweet potato pie.
38:38Oh, look, sweet potato.
38:40Yo, I haven't had one of Max's sweet potato pies in years, man.
38:44You bringing that around lately?
38:46Man, we came in, Josue.
38:48We came in.
38:49Listen, I want to slap my mama with that dog one time.
38:53It tastes so damn good.
38:57You know, Brad, me.
38:58Go kiss your mama.
38:59Mama, Ricky, kiss your mama.
39:02Yeah, that's one of the funniest stories, man.
39:04Oh, man, Rick, appreciate you coming on, man.
39:06Second time.
39:07And I mean, you already know we'll get you back on at some point throughout the season.
39:10Well, make sure you get me back on after we whoop that Celtic boy.
39:15If that happens, I'm in.
39:17Let's do it.
39:18We'll give you a victory lap.
39:19You can talk your shit.
39:20All right, brother.
39:22You can't get through with your non-listening motherfuckers.
39:26I'm out.
39:27All right, Lander boys.
39:29It's Rick Mahone.
39:30I'm Josie Pavone.
39:31Cedric Maxwell.
39:31We'll see you guys next week.
39:33What's going on, everyone?
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