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00:00all right alexander let's uh talk about the u.s russia negotiations that are unfolding
00:09we had the the historic it was it was historic alexander the historic 15 minute meeting between
00:17trump and zelensky absolutely historic uh meeting um the world has changed because of that meeting
00:24and uh and then we had uh we had lavrov uh the full interview on face the nation uh the the
00:33segments of the interview were published on thursday but we actually got the full uh 40 45
00:39minute interview and lavrov said many interesting things um in that interview which is significant
00:46because it is the foreign minister of russia appearing on collective west mainstream media
00:50which uh which must signal something we also have some statements from rubio and we also had a
00:56lavrov rubio phone call and uh and trump also commented on the meeting that he had with
01:04zelensky and a lot of talk about crimea yeah hyper focused on crimea which i think alexander is a red
01:13herring if that's the correct word to use i do believe that crimea is something that russia never
01:20asked for um it was never part of their terms no and uh all of a sudden it's it's what trump is
01:28talking about it's it's what the collective west mainstream media is talking about it's what uh
01:32they're trying to get zelensky to to bend on just accept crimea as part of russia and then we could
01:39move forward with the kellogg plan anyway get get into all of this that is that is unfolding
01:44the whole thing is the whole process of the last week is strewn with red herrings you're absolutely
01:52correct crimea is a red herring crimea is um it's not the substantive issue that we are constantly
02:00being told that it is or to be more precise um american recognition de jure the crimea is part of russia
02:08is a complete red herring because as you rightly say the russians are not demanding that the united
02:15states recognize that crimea is a part of russia it has never been a proposal a serious proposal or any
02:22kind of proposal that the russians have ever put forward now the other thing that is a complete red
02:27herring is the meeting in rome the meeting in rome was as far as i'm concerned ugly farce ugly
02:36because it took place in a cathedral on the eve of a funeral and i don't like that but okay let's
02:46move on beyond that but no you're right you're right that's my feeling absolutely and notice and i i
02:52noticed that you made that point in your program that means zelensky turns up again in his trademark
02:58battle fatigues he doesn't go with in a suit tie or anything of that kind to a funeral
03:05and i'll just say a few things about that meeting as you rightly say 15 minutes but they facilitated
03:11it alexander correct the vatican maloney the west the vatican authorities i mean they they were all
03:19involved in trying to get this meeting together i mean the vatican i mean i have to say this um it tells
03:25you a lot about what's going to happen in the vatican now after um francis's death because we must
03:32prepare for a significant shift in vatican in in the church's policy the catholic church's
03:40policy on the ukraine conflict because i mean they not only made saint peter's basilica available
03:47for a meeting between trump and uh and trump and zelensky but they also arranged for the media to be
03:54there to photograph the meeting and all of this was done as i said literally moments before the funeral
04:01service for the pope begins i mean it shows i i feel extraordinary disrespect to the pope who was
04:09being buried but it also shows that the vatican is now shifting very very much behind the european
04:17the europeans and the british on the ukraine conflict and i think that's the thing yeah it may
04:23not be an important thing but it's something to to take note of and um the meeting was clearly
04:29arranged by the europeans in fact we were being told for days in advance that zelensky wanted to
04:34meet trump in rome it doesn't seem to me despite what the americans are now saying that trump was
04:40at all keen on this meeting as you said it lasted for over 15 minutes macron was hovering around there's
04:49been attempts to pretend that trump didn't shoo him away though it's clear to me that he did want to
04:56participate in the meeting and we now have um a lip reader coming forward and giving an account of
05:05what was said based on lip reading which seems to confirm that three chairs three chairs three chairs
05:11absolutely and it wouldn't tell that was now for the interpreter which is which is ridiculous i mean
05:16anyway 15 minute meeting and um clearly nothing of any great substance or moment can have possibly be
05:25been discussed in just 15 minutes and after that we we were told before
05:34that there was supposed to be a follow-up meeting between zelensky and trump which would have been the
05:41substantive one presumably except it never happened because trump went straight to the airport and went
05:47back home so he he obviously wasn't keen on meeting zelensky again so this this whole story about this
05:54meeting is a complete red herring as well it's um a massive media operation we've seen um
06:04put out over the last couple of days which really isn't meaningful and i get to say something else i think
06:11to a great extent trump's true social post in which he criticized putin all over again for the missile
06:21strike it against kiev i think that's also a bit of a red herring as well in the sense that
06:27i trump made that criticism of putin before it's nothing new on trump's side but the by far the bigger
06:38part of that truth social post was a criticism of the new york times over the course of which he made a
06:45number of quite interesting points about the conflict such as that any idea of returning
06:51crimea or indeed any other territory to ukraine was ridiculous secondly that the war is losing
06:58that they are losing the war in ukraine that is as far as i'm aware by the way the first time that any
07:06western official has come close to saying that if you actually read the post it is there now i wouldn't put
07:14too much weight on that either because again this wasn't a true social post really about the war it
07:20was more about trump's feud with the new york times but there it was i think there are reasons to think
07:26that trump is irritated with putin but i don't think the missile strike on kiev is really the cause
07:32of his irritation so anyway we we need to put all of that aside you know the rome meeting
07:38the uh stories about um you know crimea um the true social post we need to try and focus on what
07:47is really going on and the most important of the two most important events that happened over the
07:54course of the last week were first the americans unveiled their proposals to the europeans last week
08:04which i would refer to as kellogg plus it makes a few tweaks in the russian direction the second
08:12was the meeting plus or my or minus or minus you could argue that is minus actually a little less
08:18of it's a little less of kello it's a little less of kellogg exactly so anyway kellogg minus let's call
08:24it kellogg minus because in a way that's what it is so kellogg minus we had an absolutely crazy
08:32european ukrainian proposal which i mean it was absolutely bonkers but the americans are clearly
08:40working with kellogg minus we know that whitgolf took that to putin putin from everything that we know
08:51said no and if you actually follow closely what lavrov said
08:59on face the nation the russians are also i mean he confirmed that they are going to say no
09:09in fact um the the interview i forget her name she actually said it seems to brennan yeah i think
09:16brennan yeah that's right she actually said at the towards the end it seems to me that russia is not
09:23making any concessions at all it's actually there in the whole interview by the way again cbs
09:32published excerpts of that interview um over the course of the previous days and as i rather suspected
09:41overall they were quite misleading i don't know whether that was done intentionally i mean
09:45often um as we know american um media uh tv channels um published tasters of an interview but the the
09:57the excerpts they published before sort of gave the impression that the russians were being more
10:06flexible than they were that they were heading towards accepting kellogg minus but when you listen and watch
10:15the entire interview it is absolutely clear that that is not the case so kellogg goes to moscow he meets
10:25with putin putin clearly says no to kellogg minus but he does say look we're now at that point where we
10:36can sit down and negotiate with the ukrainians which is of course what the russians have been saying all
10:43along at no point since the start of the special military operation how the russians attempted refused
10:51direct negotiations with the ukrainians the people who have refused direct negotiations
10:58are the ukrainians they've even published a decree which forbids direct negotiations now what i am
11:09guessing perhaps happened at that rome meeting which lasted all of 15 minutes is that maybe just maybe
11:18trump told zelensky i want direct negotiations between you and the russians to begin
11:24and this is perhaps the message that he confirmed uh conveyed and we see that apparently again according
11:32to the lit reader um zelensky wasn't entirely was telling trump i don't particularly like the way
11:39you're going about things so i mean that that it seems to me is probably where we are as i said
11:46put aside crime put aside uh um the rome meeting put aside or you know all the other things that we're
11:54hearing about the truth social posts focus on what is actually apparently being discussed we're now in a position
12:02where there's talk finally of direct negotiations between ukraine and russia the russians as they
12:08have always done are saying yes the ukrainians well we just don't at this moment no well yes with no
12:16preconditions yes with no preconditions yes and and ukraine is saying no we we want an unconditional ceasefire
12:24correct correct before we go into bilateral negotiations correct and if if you go to the
12:30european proposal the the one that the europeans put as a counter to kellogg minors i mean it's quite
12:39clear that the ukrainians are still angling for a security guarantee from the united states and they're
12:44saying that the security guarantee must be at the level of article five of the washington treaty in
12:51other words the united states must enter into full-fledged alliance with ukraine um something
12:56the trump administration donald trump himself have consistently ruled out the ukrainians are still
13:03insisting on it and it's not entirely clear but looking at that european proposal i strongly get the
13:11impression that the ukrainians want that guarantee they still want that guarantee alongside any
13:19unconditional cease any ceasefire that is put into effect trump when uh when he um
13:29when he arrived in in the united states i believe he made the statement either before he was boarding
13:33air force air force one or when he he arrived back to to the u.s um he said he was asked by a reporter
13:40what he wants from putin and trump said that i just want him to to stop shooting
13:44um he said i want him to to sign the deal we have all the all the terms in place and he and he said
13:51that he wants this deal signed and to be done with so that we can just get back to to life i think
14:00statements like that from trump are not proper i think they're they're they're not helping the the
14:06situational log i mean the russians understand i think the russians understand that this is trump and
14:11this is the way he's he deals with the media and this is the way he he phrases his his uh his remarks
14:18in this type of manner but um you know you just can't say as the president of the united states you
14:25know i just want you to sign this thing which is very far off yeah from from june 2024 absolutely very
14:33far off but over time which i think is the point that lavrov was making on face the nation give it another
14:40six months give it another year over time that kellogg minus plan could get closer to istanbul plus of
14:49course six months to a year everything on the on the ground on the front lines changes as well but
14:55but anyway i think that um you know by saying let's just sign this thing which is a framework let's sign
15:02it and just get back to life it doesn't it shows a lack of understanding as to as as to how existential
15:11the the conflict in ukraine and nato expansion this proxy war nato expansion uh was and remains for for
15:20russia it uh it downgrades the the entire uh conflict in a way and maybe it's trump's way of just saying you
15:30know i just i want to be done with this thing um i want to announce a ceasefire i want to announce
15:38negotiations and then i can uh just drop ukraine but it doesn't take it to consideration that you're not
15:44really getting a a lasting solution to to this problem which calls it to question does trump really
15:53want a lasting solution to to this problem because that's definitely what uh what russia is is saying
16:01ukraine and the europeans they want to keep the conflict going russia saying we want the lasting
16:06solution trump is saying let's just sign this thing and and let's move on well he doesn't want a
16:12lasting solution he wants a an end to the fighting which will help him politically or so he believes in
16:21all sorts of ways it doesn't help the russians and i think that's the problem i think he he is focused
16:28on getting the fighting over as quickly as possible so that he can start to move troops out of europe
16:33and start doing all kinds of other things that he wants to do and say that he's a great deal maker who
16:38achieved all of this and doesn't have to as he thinks worry about this conflict in europe any longer
16:45the russians have a completely different perspective on all of this and you said that these kind of
16:52statements by trump are improper my own view about this is that lavrov was saying exactly the same
17:01on face the nation he said we are not i'm not going to discuss what is actually going on in the
17:08negotiations there was constant attempts to try to get him to disclose things that are being discussed
17:16and spoken about in private and he said no and at one point he said you know if you want to talk to
17:23somebody about what's going on in the negotiations why don't you talk to zelensky but i think actually
17:31he wasn't really thinking about zelensky he was actually thinking about trump he didn't want to speak
17:37about trump he didn't want the name trump but it seems to me that there was a gentle rebuke of trump
17:42there from uh lavrov saying look you know if this is a serious negotiation and trump and lavrov said
17:49this if this is a serious negotiation it has to be conducted in private we cannot have um you know
17:58people going out and saying this has been agreed and that has been agreed and we moved forward in this
18:03way and we're almost on the brink of getting a deal done and these are the terms and all of that
18:08we cannot we cannot conduct negotiations in this sort of way and um i don't think trump is listening
18:18i just think he's listening very much to all that the russians are telling him i don't think he's really
18:25understood the conflict i don't think he particularly wants to understand the conflict he he's grasped the
18:32point about nato but you see even on nato kellogg minus is an advance on kellogg in the sense that
18:41the original kellogg plan basically was about kicking um postponing ukraine's nato entry by 10 or 20 years
18:50kellogg minus simply says that ukraine won't seek membership of nato well ukraine previously has not
18:58sought membership of nato when it became independent it actually enshrined neutrality in its constitution
19:06and then it changed it changed its policy entirely and came back and said that it did want to become
19:14a member of nato after all and we are now reading in the new york times that american officials and that
19:22is clearly clear kellogg were telling the ukrainians in rome in paris in london go ahead get sign up to
19:30this because when trump is out of the way the next administration will support your nato membership bid
19:39so the russians obviously read the new york times and they could see all of that so
19:44so this is not a negotiation that works for the russians they're trying to get trump to see this
19:54they're obviously i'm sure that they're complaining about all of this to witgoff
20:01witgoff i think has a much clearer understanding of the russian position than any other american official
20:08does rubio perhaps is starting to sense get some sense of it but this constant attempt which is
20:16very american by the way to move the deal forward and to get it done fast um which trump is doing
20:23is i think ultimately counterproductive and if it causes if the if the negotiations eventually collapse
20:32that will be the reason for it i want to go back to crimea and this issue of crimea um is crimea uh going
20:43to be used as as a way to to throw russia under the bus and for trump to to exit project ukraine for the
20:54u.s media to blame the failure of of the negotiations on ukraine squarely onto russia for the europeans
21:03to to continue to commit to the conflict in ukraine by saying that russia refuses to uh to negotiate
21:12um and are they going to say that you see even even zelensky has agreed to to a de facto not
21:20de facto recognition of crimea i say that because there is the possibility that zelensky does come
21:29out with a statement in the next 10 days which i think is the time frame that trump allegedly presented
21:34zelensky with 10 days to decide there is the possibility that zelensky comes out and says okay
21:40i'll agree on the u.s and that's what we're talking about here i'll agree on the u.s is
21:46is recognition of crimea i'll go with that as long as we're not obligated as ukraine
21:52to recognize crimea de jure okay so he can come out with that statement once he comes out with that
21:59statement and the russians are going to come out and say well crimea is not really the issue
22:05as zaporozhye is going to remain with russia in our constitution we talk about the uh the four
22:12territories as being russian um sanctions relief was never part of the terms but but okay we
22:18haven't received any any proposals for that um there's all kinds of things that that russia and
22:27lavrov said on face the nation which hinted at at the fact that that russia and the united states are
22:33far off from an agreement but they can work on it but everything seems to be hinging on crimea so all
22:39all the u.s needs to do and all zolensky needs to do and i'm sure the europeans are telling him to do
22:44it is to just come out and say okay i'll agree with the u.s on crimea once he does that it looks
22:49like everybody will be ready ukraine europe the u.s to blame a possible breakdown and talks on russia
22:58because russia was not flexible on on the crimea uh issue or or they couldn't see past
23:05the the crimea issue you see zolensky made a huge concession he made a huge the biggest concession
23:10ever and russia just couldn't couldn't get past that i think i think this is highly likely can i
23:17just say i would there are reports circulating in the i think it was the u.s media i can't remember
23:21where i saw them that trump is apparently surprised at how inflexible supposedly putin is
23:29that um he'd imagine that putin would show more flexibility and that he's um unhappy by the
23:36seems like a setup sorry sorry yeah well i didn't mean it's a setup exactly because of course i don't
23:41know what expectations trump went into when he started this whole process rolling it it needs to be
23:50stressed the person who started this whole process rolling was trump but i mean i wouldn't be at all
23:56surprised if that is the outcome the europeans come along and tell zolensky look for heaven's
23:59sake we don't like this proposal any more than you like this proposal but ultimately doesn't mean
24:04anything the americans recognize crimea that's up to them like the nato recognize you were just
24:10we're not record exactly like the nato thing that you were describing just just go ahead i mean yeah
24:14just go ahead just just say that you agree to all of this and then demand that the russians
24:20immediately agree to a ceasefire and then spin it all out indefinitely which of course the russians
24:26won't agree to and now i i think this is quite possible and i think if you if i was a gambling man
24:33which i'm not i i i think there's a chance that we could actually you know say that this will be the
24:39eventual outcome at which point trump walks out blames the russians imposes further sanctions on russia
24:48gets his friend lindsey graham to pass his bone crunching sanctions notice how completely unfazed
24:56about all the threats of further sanctions in the face the nation interview lavrov was and he didn't
25:03deny by the way that he's a person who actually would prefer to see the sanctions remain in place
25:09he said i said it so i mean you know he which i think the the interviewer just couldn't quite
25:16get a head around but anyway um i wouldn't be surprised if that is where this all this whole
25:22thing goes but it's important to say that in that case trump is in a worse position trump i'm talking
25:32about trump arguably the united states is in a worse position than they were in before donald trump
25:40became president because the war will go on trump admits that the war is being lost all right he will
25:47extricate himself from the war but people will nonetheless still blame him for the outcome because
25:53the war will continue and the war will eventually result in ukraine's defeat and the relationship
26:02with russia which trump has repeatedly said he wants to repair will have been destroyed irretrievably
26:10with russia moving closer to china now if you reel all the way back to what we were saying
26:20back in the summer we said if we get into a negotiation process this is quite likely what the outcome is
26:29going to be which is why it was unwise for trump to get into a negotiation in the first place
26:38there it is i mean he he went down this road he thought it would be much easier than he imagined he
26:45expected that putin would jump at any deal that was presented to him he appears to have imagined that if
26:52he offered to recognize crimea as russian that would somehow impress the russians and as i said it's
26:58quite likely he's going to find over the next 10 days that that isn't so and as i said we will probably end up
27:05with that very outcome which as i said is completely contrary to what i think he originally started to
27:11wanted to do of course you can make the argument that the reverse may also be the strategy right
27:17alex and you can make the argument as well which is that trump is presenting ukraine with such an easy
27:24thing for them to accept the crimea thing knowing that uh that's alensky for many reasons yeah i mean
27:33there are reports which claim that a lot of the bandarites in the military are telling him don't
27:36you dare make any concessions or else we're coming we're coming after you i mean there's actual videos
27:42of bandarites telling him this so so you could also argue that perhaps trump is presenting such an
27:47easy thing for for ukraine to go with which is the the de facto recognition if you want to call it that
27:54of crimea in order to push the negotiation process along knowing that zelensky will not be able to
28:00to accept it and then the the blame can fall on on zelensky and ukraine well possibly and it may
28:07very well be i mean that's what his son donald trump jr appears to think that's
28:11what david sachs appears to think and um the idea of entering into direct negotiations with the
28:18russians which is what putin talked about at the meeting with wake golf and which trump also now
28:24seems to be taking up um that is going to be very very difficult for zelensky to agree to he's still
28:32got his october 2022 decree which forbids direct negotiations with the russians he has consistently
28:41refused to negotiate with the russians or to rescind that decree so you know it'll be a very difficult
28:48thing politically for him to do even though arguably it is what he should do he should absolutely go
28:56forward with negotiations on the basis of kellogg minus which as you rightly say he should accept now
29:04again it's difficult to know what trump and his people are thinking whether they've strategized this
29:11in this way um i i don't know what exactly it is that trump is thinking you know who he thinks will
29:22reject this perhaps he doesn't really care perhaps if his purpose is just to get out of this then it
29:30it really doesn't matter to him whether it's the america whether it's the russians or whether it's
29:35the ukrainians if it's the ukrainians then he just walks away cuts off military assistance and
29:41intelligence uh uh sharing the ukrainians and the europeans look after take over the war he goes on
29:48and as he puts it lives his life or whatever it is if it's the russians it's the same he walks away
29:55his mediation efforts have failed he extricates himself from the united states from the war
30:01he imposes sanctions on russia this is i think well certainly not what he initially wanted to do
30:11but he's still able as he thinks to go ahead and live his life um i i i mean it could be it could be
30:18as crude and as simple as that yeah um just to wrap up there there's no doubt that for whatever
30:26reason whatever the strategy is if there is a strategy from the from the trump side of things
30:31they've they've decided that it's going to be crimea that is going to to be the the issue that will decide
30:39well what happens well indeed which is odd which is very strange well he did crimea isn't the 2014
30:48issue um when this conflict began that you know the the latest part of this conflict began in february
30:562022 it was donbass and the russians have already moved on to donbass now they've moved beyond donbass
31:05what what trump wants to do is reel it all the way back to 2014 uh ignoring all that's happened
31:14in the past 11 years it's not gonna happen yeah but it's it from a u.s political perspective he can
31:21he can put the blame on obama he can put the blame on biden um crimea is a lot easier for for
31:28people who have not been following the war in detail no it's a lot easier for them to to recognize to
31:36to understand um you know from a marketing messaging perspective yeah you know if you're
31:42going to make this the the central issue of of everything that's going on with the negotiations
31:48with uh with project ukraine then i guess you know it does kind of make uh some some strange sense
31:55in that as it's talking about donbass and east ukraine and four territories that even the face of
32:00the nation you know host could it even uh says i mean and lavrov notice that i mean all these other
32:08issues i think is stuff that'll just you know go over a lot of people's people's heads who have
32:13not been following this in such detail but crimea crimea is easy crimea is easy um absolutely but
32:21to repeat again um whichever it is
32:26and i accept completely you know that this is something that trump can sell it's still a lot less
32:36than he said he wanted i mean he wanted he wanted some kind of long-term deal with the russians
32:43he wanted to um he wanted to end the war now he hasn't he isn't going to end the war he's not going
32:52to end the war on a negotiated terms and that is a failure you know if you try to achieve a peace
33:06a truce and you don't succeed that is a failure and some people inevitably are going to say to him
33:13in the united states well you know eventually you came round but you should never have gone down this
33:19road in the first place you should have backed um ukraine to the hilt you see it's really putin
33:25who's really the evil person and you were deluded and naive so he is in spite of the fact that i agree
33:33i mean you know if he just pulls out blames the russians or ukraine or whoever it probably
33:38doesn't matter too much politically but he will still come under some criticism if this thing fails
33:45especially if if it is um the russians who ultimately are handed the blame for the fact
33:54that the negotiation hasn't succeeded yeah a final question
34:01with midterms coming up i mean it's not right around the corner but but it's an issue they are
34:08going to come the midterms what would benefit trump more um to to get out of ukraine right away and
34:17then maybe take the criticism over the next couple of weeks and then ukraine just leaves people's
34:26people's um minds they just don't think about it anymore even if russia wins the conflict
34:32americans are just not going to to care one way or another what happens in ukraine
34:38or or for the the trump administration to try and keep zelensky afloat at least until after the midterms
34:52i i think the second would be a very bad idea first of all it may not be possible and if zelensky falls
34:58before the midterms or there's a military collapse before the midterms or anything like that
35:04then if trump the united states are still supporting zelensky at that time it will it
35:09won't look good at all also it won't be popular at any time with parts of the maggot movement which
35:16are not keen on zelensky at all they'll say you know this is a man who insulted you the oval office
35:23meeting um what on earth are you doing wasting your time backing him so i i don't think that is
35:29um a good approach if the united states walks away from this whole conflict ends military assistance
35:36to ukraine ends intelligence sharing with ukraine then whatever happens i don't think ukraine itself
35:46is a big issue for american voters a big enough issue for american voters that it will affect the outcome
35:57in the midterms where the danger lies is that if trump goes forward with the kind of sanctions that
36:07lindsey graham is proposing and that creates further complications in the energy market
36:14so that oil prices by the time of the midterms are higher than they are now or higher than they
36:25otherwise would be putting more pressure on american living standards then that will not be good for trump
36:34in the midterms i i again um he's talking about energy cooperation between russia and the united states
36:43he clearly recognizes the advantages politically for himself and for the united states in that
36:51the saudis apparently are lobbying hard in the background for it um all that argues strongly
36:59against backing lindsey graham sanctions um again um trump maybe is using lindsey graham to put
37:08pressure on putin we saw from the lavrov interview that the russians are not impressed by that and
37:17they're not letting that affect their decisions um the risk is that we're going to get those sanctions if
37:26they're passed via legislation through congress they will be all but impossible to um rescind and there'll be
37:37at that point a structural imbalance in the energy market because russian oil and gas will go to china
37:44probably to india as well the united states will find itself in all kinds of difficulties economically
37:50and trying to enforce these particular sanctions and i i can see how this could play out very very badly for
37:59uh the united states for the american people but above all for donald trump yeah you're right i think the
38:06conclusion is that the best option for trump is uh and for the united states actually is to to have
38:12zelensky reject absolutely and then he can walk away from ukraine while at the same time uh doing business
38:19with russia which would eventually mean to trying to to lower uh energy costs absolutely i mean energy
38:27costs are the probably the thing that affect american motors modes most at least in any relation in any
38:34issue that relates to this conflict in ukraine and um again trump ought to have been focused on this
38:42uh he could have said it i think he could have gone ahead and said it absolutely openly my concern here
38:50is um not this wall the outcome of this work the ukrainians and the russians won't agree that's
38:58really their problem but i i was elected to reduce the cost of living pressure on american voters and
39:08that means that i have to cooperate with the russians on energy related questions now you know
39:14that would have been a that would have been a complete that would have been something that um
39:19people in you know detroit would have understood it would have cut through but for some reason he didn't
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