Interview with Ivonne Tellez, International Law Expert, on the importance and significance of the celebration of the 80th anniversary of the Great Victory over Fascism. teleSUR
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00:00welcome back to from the south and we continue analyzing the importance of the victory day
00:17celebrations underway in moscow and also around the world 80 years after the soviet win over the
00:24nazi regime in 1945 and for that we are joined now by international law expert yvonne deyes hello
00:31yvonne thank you so much for joining us in from the south i would like to start our interview by
00:37asking you what do you think is the most important thing to keep in mind regarding this 80th anniversary
00:44of that important win uh hello velen thank you for having me okay uh i believe that the most
00:53important thing about this 80 year definitely is the change in the whole world orders than the
01:00whole world order and the whole international system and i am talking about the the prohibition
01:08to of the use of the force the the the beginning of the human rights international system legal system
01:18the the endorsement of all the the legal and the international legal regime that persists today
01:26that we have and what has uh drawn the international system that we have today that of course it is uh
01:35under under uh um a new red definition that's what we have been facing uh i think uh on the last 10 years
01:43probably but we are talking about the the new world order and how it has uh and how it rearranged how
01:51it reorganized itself after the second world war and how it like stated the pillars of the the world
02:00system that we have today i'm talking about multipolarity i'm talking about multilateralism uh
02:05international organizations and the entrance of other international actors and definitely how
02:11international law is drawn today belongs definitely to the reorganization of the post uh second world war
02:19brought so yvonne we were talking about that important international presence right the presence
02:27of many leaders of the global south for example how do you think do we need to understand the presence of
02:34such important leaders we've seen not only latin american leaders such as nicolas maduro miguel diaz canel
02:39but also recently the silva chinese president xi jinping a very important presence for this day in moscow what
02:47does these that mean in this global context i think that we have to see it from the perspective of this
02:56global engagement i will say and that is uh regarding the non-western states basically because i think this
03:04this reinforces the the russians central uh narrative and that is that the world is not unipolar and maybe uh
03:13what we can see is that some of the western efforts to isolate russia have not entirely succeeded and i
03:19think this is um that means this this international uh architecture regarding security and regarding the
03:28uh the the the the the complexity of international relations uh show that russia is not willing to
03:34to accept a sovereign age role in in a western-led global order and i think that what russia is here
03:42uh is calling and the presence of this uh of these global leaders global south leaders basically uh
03:48it's calling for a multipolar world uh i think a more balanced system where power is distributed between
03:56several centers and regional actors and that can assert themselves without uh just the belonging of
04:03the trade to the traditional organizations such as nato or such as the group of the u.s allies
04:11so yvonne i would like to ask you you were talking before about the importance of that 1945 win in terms
04:19of building a world with no war no conflict or stopping the use of force at that time so and we
04:28live in a context right now in which we have many cases of ongoing conflicts and ongoing genocide in
04:34palestine for example promoted by imperialism do you think that this multipolar world order or this show
04:42of strength is going to build a way for a more peaceful world okay uh there is something that
04:51that has to be uh taken into account what we uh did in the 1945 win and what the the charter of the united
05:00nations stated at that time was that the use of force was definitely not accepted and that um states
05:08were under the obligation to solve their their controversies in a pacific way and that was due
05:14of course to the to the two world wars that the world had faced at the act at that moment and the
05:20the decision not to follow the same path however uh what we did and the international legal order came
05:28along with this political decision uh reinstating the fact that uh the use of force is prohibited and but
05:37if there is a restore to the use of force i mean because conflict cannot be um even if war is
05:44forbidden conflict cannot be uh just um i forgot the word but we cannot avoid conflict that's what i'm
05:54trying to say so in this sense what the the the international legal order has uh uh has tried to do
06:01is to state the rules not to go to war and in case we have to face war then we have um the rules of war
06:10and saying okay if we go and we are amongst uh a conflict then we have to follow some rules because
06:18this has to be followed up by a a pacific or at least a judicial but trying to be in a very civilized
06:27way to solve uh international conflicts so uh but however this system that we uh built 80 years ago
06:37uh has come to redefinitions uh actors have changed the the usual actors that we had before and just
06:45this kind of uh bipolarity that we had between the soviet union and the united states after this uh new
06:53trend change have changed we have new global leaders we have new uh actors as i was saying before so i
07:01think that we are not definitely heading um i cannot say that we are heading to a more pacific or a more
07:10stable world regarding peace however what we are facing is a red definition of the whole entire
07:17system and maybe uh we're looking at that the rules that we placed 80 years ago maybe are not the ones
07:27that we have to follow and i'm not saying that we have to restore to war but what i'm saying is that
07:33maybe we have to change the way that uh the world was just uh uh brought along with just a unipolar system
07:41with a unique leader with a unique uh hegemonic system and just a for a bunch of followers what
07:48we're seeing is that we have to see power distributed along the the the different um positions the
07:56different forces that the world has and maybe that's what we are seeing right now regarding this union of
08:04this uh global leaders and also we are we're seeing also maybe that there's uh this comes along like
08:11with a greater agency and autonomy regarding the the shaping of the regional and global affairs as well
08:20because we're seeing how there's new groups and these new trends try to redefine themselves and show
08:27themselves a little bit stronger that than the unique uh forms that we used to see 20 years ago or 50 years
08:36ago excellent yvonne i'm so grateful for having your opinion to really understand the importance of those
08:46images of what is happening today in moscow and also around the world thank you so much for joining us
08:51thank you valen for the invitation always a pleasure