The Met S04E02
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00:00Right morning everybody, I appreciate we're coming towards the end of our encore period
00:12but there is a matter that's brewing on Central North and that's of a high-risk missing person.
00:19She's a 20-year-old young lady, her name is Agnes Acom and she's from Hungary.
00:24The last sight in is on Cricklewood Broadway on the 9th of May at approximately 11 or 2 in the morning.
00:33She's someone who's been on social media quite regularly, she has accounts with Facebook and TikTok.
00:39That's a recent picture of her in London, since then she hasn't used any social media whatsoever.
00:44Here she is, yeah, we've got some good images that we can put out if need be.
00:47At around 10, 20 a.m., she went to Acosta Coffee, ordered a drink, we know that because she used her bank card to pay for it.
00:58So we can see Agnes across the road here.
01:00Yeah.
01:01You can see a car here pulling in.
01:05There she's getting into the car.
01:07With all the cars coming down, it's nice and clear when it comes down here.
01:11Just see if you can pause that when it gets a bit closer.
01:14There we go.
01:17Very good picture of her in the front.
01:21This is the last sighting of Agnes.
01:23Clearly whoever's driving that car is a person of interest at the very least.
01:27And I'll want to speak to him or her to work out exactly why Agnes was in the car and where they were going and when is the last time that they saw her.
01:36A serving metropolitan police officer has been charged with kidnap, rape and murder.
01:51A damning report found it to be institutionally racist, misogynistic and homophobic.
02:00The Met Commissioner, Sir Mark Rowley, has vowed to restore the public's trust and confidence in the police.
02:07Policing needs to be the best and we've totally failed in this regard.
02:10He's very choking me.
02:24I'm from the Modern Slavery team.
02:25How's your English?
02:26Give her justice and tell us where that poor girl's body is.
02:31Straight red, straight red.
02:33Woo!
02:34Woo!
02:34Woo!
02:35Woo!
02:36Woo!
02:36Woo!
02:37Woo!
02:38Stay where you are!
02:40You are under arrest on Station Mariner.
02:47Leave Chip alone!
02:50What are you doing?
02:51Let us go!
02:51Let us go!
02:53Do you really think that this is an overkill?
02:55There's 10 of you here for one 14-year-old.
03:10This is Agnes Ackham, a typical 20-something-year-old female, an active social life.
03:24Came to the UK approximately three years ago.
03:27Nine days she's been missing now is a long time.
03:32We've been in touch with her mum, who's in Hungary, who's also commented that it's very unusual
03:39for Agnes not to be in touch for this period of time.
03:47Concern for Agnes has triggered a major investigation within specialist crime, involving detectives
03:54that handle the Mets' most complex cases.
04:01Everyone here desperately wants to find her, you know, and alive and well.
04:07The silver car seen on CCTV picking Agnes up in Cricklewood has been identified as registered
04:14to an address in Notting Hill, three miles south of where Agnes was last seen.
04:20That vehicle is registered here to Nicolai Paizan.
04:25Born November 1957, he's a Romanian national.
04:29We believe that Agnes got into his car, but we don't know what's happened after that.
04:33We're here in the hope that we can find where he is, speak to him about what he might know.
04:38Certainly, we think he'll have valuable information.
04:41The main thing is, is she here?
04:44Hi, how are you doing?
04:49Sorry to bother you, we're just from the police.
04:51Who's the owner of this house here?
04:54So, we're investigating a missing girl.
04:57This is the person, who we thought might live here, you see,
05:00who's involved with the disappearance of this girl.
05:03Do you recognise him?
05:05He used my house.
05:07Ah.
05:07Yeah, but he's not living in this house.
05:09So, okay, so he uses your address post.
05:13Have you seen him in the last week?
05:15Yeah, I see him.
05:16Maybe Saturday, Sunday.
05:18Okay.
05:18I'll tell you what we really need and what you can do to help is to let us look in here to see if she's here, all right?
05:29If she's here?
05:30Yeah.
05:30His car is registered to that address.
05:41We're probably not getting the full story, shall we say.
05:44But I think we've got enough information.
05:46We've had a look in there.
05:47She's not in there.
05:48There's a lot of intelligence and inquiries going on in the background.
05:59So, Nikolai Paisan, what we know at the moment is he is a cement mixed lorry driver and a handyman.
06:09We believe he's been in the UK for over 20 years.
06:11As detectives try to locate Nikolai Paisan, they discover he rents a storage container that sits behind a used car dealership in West London.
06:27Finding it locked, detectives ask the fire brigade to break in.
06:31There is no sign of Agnes, but there is a CCTV camera pointing at the container's front door that was recording the day Agnes went missing.
06:46So, this is where his lockup is.
06:48Oh, yeah.
06:52So, that is 1048.
07:01Oh, bloody hell.
07:10Here he is.
07:13She's sort of leading the way.
07:18He lets her in.
07:26We don't then see him for three hours.
07:31And then us, just after three o'clock road time, comes out on the road and appears to lock it from the outside.
07:42Goes to the car.
07:44She's not been seen, but we have watched for two hours and she didn't come out.
07:53That's weird.
07:54The last sighting of her is going into that unit.
08:01So, I'm going to go and have a look around the side and see what else there is and we'll look to get it sealed off.
08:08He's looking at the footage, trying to see if she comes out, which she hasn't yet.
08:14It's a case of watching the hollow.
08:16It's nine days worth.
08:17Yeah.
08:30So, if you come down here, so this camera here looks all the way down there and covers the whole of the lockup.
08:36James is still watching, but this is, he's locked this up beforehand and then driven off.
08:43But then, right, so this, this is a bit weird.
08:47When you get round the back, there's a door at the back.
08:51You'll see it is like a little hatch that's been cut out.
08:54So, you can get in and out if you wanted to.
08:58The rear door leads only to a dead end at the back of the alleyway.
09:02You'd have to be scaling walls and razor wire, highly unlikely.
09:09Really, the only viable way in and out is this way.
09:13Bit of a bizarre set up, but we're not going to go in there.
09:16We're going to let the forensic lady work on magic.
09:19And I suppose the other thing it tells me is the CCTV is going to be really telling.
09:24So, we're going to have to watch the full duration of the nine days she's missing on that one camera on the front of the container.
09:30If she's gone in and she hasn't come out, where is she?
09:41Hello, Ben.
09:42Yeah, good, Drew.
09:43While the search for Paisan continues, detectives look at Agnes' online profile and contacts in the hope it will provide clues as to where she might be.
09:52We've now been able to speak to friends and family, and we've got a much better picture who Agnes actually is.
10:01I mean, looking at her social media, it's not that different to what you would expect to find on another 20-year-old's Facebook page.
10:09Lots of selfies, different poses, having fun, lots of different coloured hair.
10:15We think she came over here with her boyfriend who had a job that we think maybe didn't materialise.
10:21And they found themselves over here without any sort of structure or support around them, and found themselves begging and living on the street.
10:31It does seem that she did have a couple of older male friends that she had a kind of sexual relationship with, where they may buy her some clothes, they may transfer her some money.
10:43And it seems that Nikolai Paisan is one of these people.
10:52While police embark on a forensic search of Paisan's container, he unexpectedly turns up.
11:03Hi, Brian.
11:07He has turned up.
11:11Yeah.
11:13Paisan agrees to come to the station voluntarily for questioning.
11:19A significant development, yes.
11:21He's within our custody as a witness.
11:26And once we've got his account, we'll assess that, and we'll take it from there.
11:32There still could be a reasonable, plausible explanation for all of this.
11:36Officers can now begin a detailed forensic search of the container.
11:50Well, it's like it's a dwelling. It's sort of half workshop, half dwelling.
12:09It's just a shipping container, split in half. Looks like he lives in one side, and stores his tools in the other.
12:18You can imagine the nightmare this is going to be to search, and we will, everything, every inch of it.
12:27Agnes has dropped off the planet. She's completely disappeared without a trace. We hope there is an innocent explanation. You know, it's not criminal to disappear and want the world to leave you alone. We hope that's what it is.
12:48At the back of the container, on top of a set of drawers, there's a Bible. You kept going back to that and freezing on the corner of that.
12:57Okay.
12:58The dog has signalled that it's found areas of interest in the dwelling area, and also on the spine of a Bible. The scientists have found that the Bible's spine has tested positive for blood.
13:18Maybe nothing, maybe highly significant. So that is a swab we're going to send up to the lab urgently.
13:28So the family, there's going to be a conference call to mum in Hungary. We're going to put Agnes' picture out through the press. Agnes is still a high risk missing person, and there is an obligation on us all to sort of publicise that as much as we can in the media.
13:47Priorities today, CCTV, can you keep viewing? Make sure 100% there's no power outages, there's no gaps in that footage.
13:55Over 40 officers have now been assigned to the case.
14:02One of the key priorities is to continue viewing the CCTV that looks at the container, which is the focus of our attention at the moment.
14:12So we've done in excess of 30 hours, and there's probably in the region of six and a half days to continue to look at.
14:19I think it's perfectly feasible that Agnes may have been in that container for a number of days.
14:27And what's to say she doesn't walk out in the next ten hours? I just don't know.
14:34Still being treated as a witness, detectives begin audio recording an interview with Paisan, deliberately withholding what they know from the CCTV to see how his account compares.
14:49She messages you to say she wants to pick up. You drive to Cricklewood and pick her up, and then you take her to your container.
15:03Why did you do that?
15:06Why did you do that?
15:07Why did you do that?
15:08Why did you do that?
15:12Why did you try to go in?
15:13Why did you try to go in?
15:14Why did you do that?
15:17Why did you come in?
15:22Why did you try to go in?
15:23My dad.
15:24Why did you do one bit of fun at a 여자 homme's office?
15:25I don't know why you haven't no other time in my life.
15:30OK
15:32She told me to leave me in peace and I gave her some money.
15:38OK, so how long was she in there?
15:4025 minutes, 20 minutes.
15:42And which door did she use on the way out?
15:44All there.
15:46OK, and what did you do?
15:48I walked in the car and I walked in this.
15:53What time was your arrest?
15:55The arrest was at 23, 28.
15:58The suspect has said she came out approximately 15 minutes later.
16:02But the CCTV does not support that.
16:04There is only one decision at this time, and that's for him to be arrested.
16:07Now, that doesn't say he's guilty of anything.
16:10And I haven't given up hope yet that Agnes is going to appear at some point
16:15and say, what's all this fuss about?
16:17Would you like a solicitor?
16:19No.
16:20I'm not guilty about that. I wait to finish the investigation.
16:26The biggest challenge for us now,
16:28we will have up to 36 hours in police detention.
16:33To find sufficient evidence to either prove or disprove his involvement,
16:41that clock will soon go down.
16:44We've got to work out exactly what happened on the 9th of May in that container.
16:50Having obtained Agnes' DNA profile from a hairbrush in her flat,
16:55forensics begin an examination of Paisanne's card.
16:59So it's showing a positive response to being possibly blood.
17:20In the boot, so far, we've found three areas of blood.
17:25It could be his blood, someone else's blood.
17:29Until the blood goes to the lab and they get a profile, we won't know.
17:33We've now viewed 102 hours, which is broken up between days where several different people have been viewing.
17:50Detectives have now watched over half of the 200 hours of CCTV footage covering the container.
17:57Paisanne has come and gone several times at all different hours,
18:03sometimes carrying sort of bits of wood, sometimes with bags.
18:06Still no sign of Agnes.
18:10They've also found footage of Paisanne coming into the dealership,
18:14six days after she went missing.
18:16So it's the day when he walks into the office and is talking to the staff.
18:21He looks up at the CCTV screen.
18:28He's looking at the different camera angles to see what the cameras are picking up and what they may have picked up.
18:46With no CCTV evidence so far to show Agnes leaving the container, the team are now reconsidering if she could have left via another exit.
19:05You've got to have a door there.
19:07Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:09It looks, it's all fixed.
19:10OK.
19:12By the rear of the container is an entrance leading to a derelict warehouse.
19:17Although the door is barricaded, they can't rule out the possibility that Paisanne may previously have had access.
19:25There's an entrance there then that takes you into the derelict building,
19:28which can be accessed by a panel that's been cut out on the side of the container.
19:34That would allow him and anybody else to travel around and in the building,
19:38out to sight of the CCTV cameras.
19:43Police have now forced to open the gate, which was bolted shut.
19:47Just got to watch that long bolt there.
19:49Yep.
19:59So it's just a labyrinth of rooms, builders' bags.
20:05So we're going to run a dog through and the dog will detect blood and give us a good idea if, you know,
20:10carpets have been lifted or, you know, things are hidden behind walls and mattresses.
20:19Mysteriouser and mysteriouser.
20:29Hello.
20:30It's OK, stay there.
20:33Mr. Paisanne, I'm pulling my mask down so you can see my face.
20:36We met at yours, yeah?
20:39A deus Brian Jones.
20:41Overnight in custody, Paisanne causes himself serious harm.
20:45As I understand it, he's been taken into custody, he's been searched, and then when he's been placed in his cell,
20:53he has had access to a sharp armament, which I think is a razor blade.
20:58And it's my understanding that he's self-harmed in his wrists and other parts of his body.
21:03It'd be very easy for me to jump to conclusions and think, well, that's a sign of a guilty man trying to harm himself.
21:08I don't know.
21:09While in hospital, the custody clock is paused and he cannot be formally questioned by police.
21:17In these circumstances, with Agnes still missing, the rules of government police allow us to ask only one key question around her possible location and safety.
21:29Yes.
21:30So I listen to me very carefully.
21:31My question is, where is Agnes?
21:33I don't know.
21:34He's gone from me.
21:35He's gone from you?
21:36Yeah.
21:37I, I, I, I did him yesterday.
21:40He's gone from me.
21:41Okay, that's fine.
21:42That's all I'm here to do is to try and find her location.
21:45He's gone from me.
21:46He's gone from me.
21:47He's gone from me.
21:48He's gone from me.
21:49He's gone from me.
21:50He's gone from me.
21:51He's gone from me.
21:52It's frustrating and there's a setback.
21:54Agnes could still be out there and could be in need of some help.
21:59It's now been 11 days, but we still have to keep going.
22:15See, this drain was all covered up with this thing.
22:20Yeah, see, that's the sort of thing I'm thinking about.
22:22So that, we're getting to look at that.
22:23Yeah.
22:24With the custody clock paused, detectives continue investigating and are hunting for clues at the container.
22:31The dogs indicated this area is an area of significance.
22:34So we're just sort of having a look in there to see if there's anything untoward inside.
22:38It's very bizarre, still.
22:43There's no quick wins or clear answers.
22:48Police are also searching Unit 9, the derelict warehouse next door.
22:58All the scene's been done.
22:59It seems we've had a pole cam up there and visual...
23:02Yeah.
23:03No, no, that's interesting.
23:04That's suspicious.
23:05That adds context.
23:06Yeah.
23:07Yeah.
23:08It could be that something maybe was placed...
23:10Yeah.
23:11...on that carpet, and they were staying around the carpet, and rather than leave it there, just cut the carpet out.
23:19That doesn't make any sense.
23:20No.
23:21It's got to be that side.
23:23With the possibility that Agnes could have left via the warehouse, Detective Chris Howell checks the CCTV on the other side of the building.
23:37There he is there.
23:38There he is.
23:40There he is.
23:42Hi, Chris.
23:43You all right?
23:44Just one sec, because the governor's here, so I'll just put you on loudspeaker.
23:47OK, cool.
23:48So, round about 38 minutes past three on the 9th of May.
23:51Our suspect drives in, in his silver car, and he reverses up towards the door of Unit 9.
24:00He's slightly in shot, so he can see one side of the car.
24:04Then he gets out, goes to the back of the car and you can't see him.
24:06I then go to Unit 7, and there's a camera. It's not very clear, it's very blurry, but it faces down the building line.
24:14And you can see, coming out of Unit 9, you can see a very blurry image, but you can see a very light-coloured, quite large object being taken out of the door.
24:28Then there's a pause of what I think is probably him opening the boot of the car, and then the object gets put, you can see, kind of feel it's being lifted up and into the car.
24:41All you can see is a large, light, blurry object. I feel it's a heavy object being dragged out.
24:47Into the car, and that's how it looks.
24:49OK.
24:51The bag that he's put in the back of the car, heavy item inside, very suspicious.
24:58Hi, Brian. I'm going to put you on speaker, just bear with me.
25:04I've just forwarded the DNA report to you all, confirming that the blood on the rubber seal in the back of the suspect's car matches Agnes.
25:14Wow.
25:15Whoa.
25:16Sorry.
25:17Whoa.
25:18If the blood in the boot is Agnes, that correlates in with the CCTV imagery.
25:30I've got a really bad feeling that this is going to be a very sad ending.
25:34Still no contact with family, friends, no banking, no social media.
25:43We strongly suspect that she has lost her life.
25:47Now, it is very much a murder investigation.
25:51After nearly three days in hospital, Paisan has returned and his custody clock has been restarted.
26:09There's now just 24 hours left to either charge or bail him.
26:15He was evaluated by a psych team and they've deemed him fit to be detained and interviewed.
26:21Detectives Mike Davidson and Sarah Stancombe are preparing to question him for a second time, challenging him with a CCTV evidence.
26:34It's the last time she's seen alive.
26:36Tell me where Agnes is.
26:42You said she's left, but then she didn't leave.
26:46That she left when I said she left.
26:50You know she did not leave.
26:55She didn't leave.
26:58I saw her leaving.
27:00You saw the camera on the container, yeah?
27:03Yes.
27:04So we've watched it, and watched, and watched, and watched for hours and hours and hours and hours.
27:13Maybe there was a mistake, right?
27:16There is no mistake. There is no mistake.
27:19Paizan is also questioned about the derelict warehouse,
27:23which police have discovered he has an arrangement with the landlord to clear out.
27:29Your car? Yeah.
27:32There appears to be what looks like an object going in your car.
27:38It's a bag.
27:41It's a bag.
27:43What's inside that bag?
27:45Plaster board.
27:47You don't have all kinds of houses from there.
27:55Is Agnes in your car?
27:57No, Agnes has left.
27:59No, Agnes has left.
28:03I think we know Agnes hadn't left.
28:09No.
28:10No.
28:11You killed her.
28:12No.
28:20He's within our custody, but I can't keep him indefinitely.
28:24He's not being charged with anything yet.
28:27Other than a little bit of blood in the back of his car, there's no real strong evidence at this time.
28:33We have got to prove beyond any doubt that he is responsible for this tragic murder.
28:40And the biggest missing piece of evidence at the moment is Agnes' body.
28:44That is a worry.
28:46It's just a worry.
28:47We have to go in.
28:48Yeah.
28:49Oh, so two minutes again, so fifteen-fifty-nine.
28:51Yeah.
28:52And what was that again, do you think?
28:53So, it's going south of Longstead.
28:54In their hunt for conclusive evidence against Paizan, the team now focuses on where he went
29:01after loading the heavy object into his car.
29:04Because that's a ring road so he'd go under there and up there so that we want to cut him off
29:09The journey took place just a few hours after Agnes was last seen entering the container
29:16There's a lot of activity going around tracking the vehicle when it left
29:21There's a circuitous route for about an hour and somewhere in that hour if it is a body then he's likely to have done that
29:34Hello, sir. My name is Chris Howell. I'm a police officer and I notice on the outside of the building. There's some cameras
29:43Detectives are going door-to-door looking for cameras that capture Paisan's car
29:50I've got goes from each road to road to road to road to see if I can find which direction he's standing
29:57If you're following the car it might take you a day to cover a couple of minutes worth of driving
30:04I've got it mate. You've got it in what time?
30:08So basically he goes into the left, stops and reverses, and right where he reverses there's a skip because I just looked in it
30:18Okay
30:20CCTV officer Chris Howell has found footage of Paisan's car on an industrial estate two miles from the container
30:27I
30:29I can't see anything happening
30:31But I will be able to get other cameras and show it
30:33I'm gonna come down now and make an assessment with you
30:35This is a an interesting development we know that he's left that unit with something bulky and heavy in a bag and
30:47And whatever it is if it's Agnes it's possibly in this location
30:52This location
30:59Three minutes half a mile
31:02From what I know he was in this industrial estate for six minutes and it would allow the opportunity
31:08To dispose of whatever was in the back of the car so it looks very promising
31:13Very promising
31:15There's Dory Cop
31:25Have you got the footage there?
31:27Yeah I'll just show you now
31:28Yeah
31:29The footage shows Paisan visiting the skip yard on the day of Agnes' disappearance
31:33Oh that's brilliant
31:35There is him
31:36This is it
31:40Wanna look around
31:47Sheeting
31:48There's something in that though isn't it?
31:50Obviously not what I think of
31:51Is that a jacket though?
31:52Yes
31:53That's a jacket
31:54That's a jacket
31:55Looks like it doesn't it?
31:56Look at that white
31:57That's a white sleeve
32:02He's hiding it as well isn't he?
32:04What's really weird is the erm
32:06Is what we've seen before
32:08The heavy item
32:09Yeah
32:10Because it's clearly heavy
32:11Hang on what's this?
32:12It looks like a jacket or something
32:14Dark coloured something
32:16Is it this?
32:17Yeah but where's the body?
32:19Yeah
32:20Wrapped up
32:21Hang on
32:22Hang on
32:23Oh yeah
32:24That's
32:25That's carpet
32:26That's looks
32:27That's carpet yeah
32:28We can see
32:32There's no way he's gonna put a body in there
32:34Not with all these people around
32:35No
32:36No
32:37No
32:38I honestly thought
32:51With what everybody had done over the last 24 hours
32:54I would have put my mortgage on it
32:57We would have found it
32:58Looks now as if
33:00Whatever's gone in that skip
33:02Is very likely to be a crucial piece of evidence
33:05The next thing now is to find out where the yard is
33:08And it's just how quick they dispose of their contents of their skips
33:15Inquiries reveal the skip was picked up and taken to a waste disposal site
33:20Three miles away in Ladbroke Grove
33:25It's that one there is it?
33:26Yeah
33:27Empty, totally empty, 100% yeah?
33:29Yeah
33:35I think you can see Agnes' white coat
33:47There's also this big bit of grey carpet
33:49To me there's blood stones
33:54It does smell doesn't it?
33:55Quite bad
33:56Yeah it does
34:01It is
34:02Yep
34:05The scientists have just tested the staining which is on the carpet
34:12The initial sample testing of that is positive
34:16Obviously it will need to go away for testing
34:18A day or two hopefully
34:19And we'll know then for sure if it's her blood or not
34:23That coat has a really strong smell of perfume on it
34:33And it does make you think
34:35Well she was wearing that
34:36And that's what she smelt like at the time
34:38And it's still there now
34:40So it does give you
34:41Like being here now with this
34:43It gives you a bit of thought of Agnes really
34:47Yeah
34:48Yeah
35:02As the search continues
35:04Detectives Mike Davidson and Sarah Stancom
35:07Interview Paisan for a third time
35:09Look at this one
35:10There's now just ten hours left on his custody clock
35:16Okay I want you to look at something
35:22Do you accept that's you?
35:32What are you doing there?
35:33What are you doing there?
35:34I don't know
35:35I don't know
35:44I presume I was throwing rubbish out
35:47Okay
35:48What rubbish?
35:49What did you do?
35:50What did you do in the car?
35:51Whatever was in the car
35:53No
35:54I don't know
35:55Wherever I go I throw some more stuff out of my car
36:00Okay
36:01We followed that skip
36:04We found it
36:07What do you think we found in there?
36:12What do you think we found in there?
36:14I don't know
36:15I don't know
36:16Okay
36:20Do you recognize that?
36:21I know
36:32I can't see it
36:34It's
36:35I say
36:36It looks extremely similar
36:37To the coat that Agnes is wearing
36:39What do you have to say about that?
36:44I don't know. I just went through it there.
36:50I don't know. I don't remember.
36:54I don't remember.
36:58I don't remember.
37:05Hello, Devon speaking.
37:07While Paisan is being interviewed, the search team makes further discoveries at the skipyard.
37:13I've just got off the phone from the guys down at the Waste and Recycle Centre in Ladbroke Grove.
37:24Having gone through it, they found a jigsaw and it appears to be coated in what looks like blood.
37:30Neil?
37:40Sorry?
37:41Blonde hairs on the jigsaw as well.
37:43Oh, no. I surrender.
37:45Wow. Cheers.
37:47All right. Bye.
37:51Looks like all these items are in the same bag.
37:54Jigsaw is covered in blood all over it. Blonde hairs in it.
37:59Blonde hairs?
38:00Yeah.
38:01A white T-shirt covered in blood.
38:03Shit.
38:04No body parts.
38:06Jesus.
38:10They're continuing with the search there.
38:12I think there's about 20% more to do.
38:14But where's the body?
38:16The indications are, unfortunately, that Agnes may well have been cut up. I don't know yet. I don't want to get too carried away with that.
38:30Hello, Wembley. It's Devon saying I'm a DS from the murder team at Hendon. Hi there. I've got two of my colleagues currently doing an interview. Can you go into that interview and interrupt it?
38:43To, um, to do the honourable thing?
38:46Sorry, you've got two days on the following thing to pause the interview.
38:51Hi, Mike. Sorry, I'll tip you up.
38:54So, you know the skip where her jacket's been found?
38:57Yeah. We found a jigsaw and it is saturated in blood.
39:01What else did you dump in the skip?
39:10I don't know. Whatever it was in the back of the car.
39:14We found a jigsaw in there. Like a mini saw.
39:21The jigsaw has what looks like blood and blonde hair on it.
39:28No care.
39:29I don't think. I don't know.
39:31I don't know.
39:32I can't do it.
39:33I can't do it.
39:34I can't do it.
39:35I can't do it.
39:36I can't do it without knowing.
39:37I can't do it.
39:38I can't do it.
39:39I can't do it without realizing that it was there.
39:45Was it used?
39:47You know it's been used.
39:49You used it.
39:50It's got her hair.
39:51Clearly it's gonna be her hair, isn't it?
39:54That's her jacket you're dumping in the skip.
39:56You don't know.
39:57I don't know what's going on in the nursery.
39:59You need to do more investigation.
40:01You need to do more investigation.
40:02You need to do more investigation.
40:03She must appear from somewhere.
40:04She must appear from somewhere.
40:06Nicolai, we're going to find out.
40:14I'll tell you what you can say, you can tell us, you can tell us where her body is.
40:33Do her justice, Nicolai, and tell us where that poor girl's body is.
40:51I'll be honest with you, I feel a little bit emotional, because I wanted to tell us where
40:58she was, obviously.
40:59We didn't manage to get that.
41:01I kind of feel a bit disappointed in myself, I don't know, but I feel we tried as much
41:08as we could.
41:09I think we're used to people lying to us in our job, but to sit there when we just wanted
41:14him to tell us where she was so we could find a body, just for, we know, I think we know
41:18now, we've sort of got to the point, we've decided she's dead.
41:22For him to, all that evidence put to him and him saying, no, no, and not tell us where
41:27she is.
41:28I think that's the, that was quite grueling actually, wasn't it?
41:31Yeah.
41:32The biggest insult, after the interview was over, he apologised to me on behalf of Agnes.
41:40Agnes.
41:41I'm sorry she's wasting so much of your time and money doing this.
41:47Yeah.
41:48If you can explain to Mr. Paisan that the CPS have authorised a single charge against
41:59him today, that is for a charge of murder.
42:03Being on the 9th of May, 2021, you've murdered Agnes Acom, contrary to common law.
42:10Have you anything to say to that charge?
42:16No reply.
42:20Yes, it's good that we got the suspect charged, but as regards how I feel, there's a mix of
42:26emotions there.
42:28She's clearly lost her life in a tragic manner.
42:32I feel contempt for him.
42:35He hasn't done the decent thing and tell us where she is.
42:40You know, the pressure for the family to have your daughter missing and never to be found
42:47is just unthinkable.
42:51And if we cannot find Agnes, then evidentially there is a potential weakness in the case
42:58because at trial neglect could say it was an accident and without the body we can't conclusively
43:05prove the cause of death.
43:08The defence will exploit that to the best of their ability.
43:13That's why we need to do everything we possibly can to locate the body.
43:20Right, morning all.
43:21You don't need me to remind you that, yes, it's good that we got the suspect charged, but
43:35we're only at the start of a very steep hill.
43:38So, we managed to track that skip back to a yard in West London, I believe, Mark.
43:44The skip gets tipped out and the first thing that came out was the coat and then this was
43:50the main bag.
43:51So, in that bag is the saw covered in blood and also there's obvious hairs there because
43:58it's long and blonde.
43:59It's probably from her neck, unfortunately, is what they're suggesting.
44:03However, there was no body parts recovered yesterday.
44:07So, in that bag, her shoes as well.
44:10Yeah.
44:11Definitely her shoes from the CCTV, blood inside and out.
44:14Brian mentioned a white t-shirt or something that he said was absolutely saturated in blood.
44:20There it is, heavily bloodstained on the front and the back.
44:24So, a hugely significant find and really brings it to the forefront now.
44:30It may well be as sad as it is to say that we're no longer looking for a whole body,
44:35but we're looking for possibly parts of a body.
44:40You know, all of this stuff was on the 9th, but we didn't get there until the 18th.
44:44So, he's had a good nine days to dispose of different things.
44:50Personally, I've never come across anything like this.
44:53And if a jigsaw has been used to mutilate Agnes or dismember her, it doesn't bear thinking about it.
45:02What we've seen is him coming and going repeatedly, but with smaller bags.
45:08You know, now, the fact that he's been distributing stuff in quite a wide range of places,
45:13means there is every chance that he has, at other times, gone to various other locations to put things in.
45:18It makes it very, very difficult.
45:20Over the next two weeks, the detectives uncover footage of Paisan leaving small items in bins and skips around north-west London.
45:33Every day, detectives search industrial sites and rubbish dumps across the city.
45:39It's fair to say opportunities around rubbish recovery are probably at the end.
45:45We're still no nearer to finding Agnes, and it may be the case that we don't recover her body,
45:51which is going to be really tough at the end of the day.
45:54That's the sad reality.
45:56Two weeks of searching waste sites has come to nothing.
46:08Detectives look further into Paisan's past in the hope of generating new leads.
46:18Inquiries have pointed CCTV officer Chris to a new location of interest.
46:24We've got links seven years ago through Intel that he's got a unit just the other side of the North Circular,
46:34which is where we're off to now, just on the off chance that he may have gone there,
46:38that if he's had links there in the past, he'll know the area.
46:41So we're just giving it a go, and we're going to just have a look at CCTV around there.
46:47It's a pun.
46:54There's a camera on a post just there.
47:00We've got a high-risk missing person.
47:03So on the ninth, let's go to that number six, if that's all right.
47:07Did you see that?
47:23So you can see a car just here.
47:26It's obviously gone from quite a distance away, but it's not a bad look-alike, really, for the cast.
47:36That is not a bad shout.
47:38Shout.
47:41Oh.
47:47There he is, look.
47:49There he is.
47:55There you go.
47:56So that's, there is him.
47:57That's the way he walks.
47:59That is him.
48:01Let me ring Dev.
48:04He turns in.
48:06Yeah.
48:08He walks away.
48:10He has got an item under his left arm.
48:14He walks onto the North Circular, turning right.
48:17There's a little pathway where you can walk into Woodland area.
48:25OK.
48:26This is him going back in.
48:30Analyzing the CCTV further,
48:33Detectives see Paisan returning to the area more than once.
48:38So we're now in the morning of the 10th.
48:40And this is Paisan here.
48:43Whoa.
48:44There he is.
48:45With weed in.
48:46So if you look at this bit, when he goes up the kerb, he seems to not be able to lift it up.
48:59Sort of stumbles on the kerb.
49:00Yeah.
49:01Yeah, it's something heavy in there.
49:02Yeah.
49:03So that's him, with whatever that is, into Kneesden Rec.
49:11And then this is him coming out 33 minutes later, with the bin.
49:20Whoa.
49:21I think his hands look dirty.
49:22Seeing that footage today would suggest that the day after she was murdered, it's likely that her or part of her has gone into that park.
49:38Behind here, there's a big reservoir. Like a really big reservoir.
49:56A team of over 30 specialist officers are brought in to search 23 acres of park and woodland.
50:19I want the Polisar team to be able to say to me that they've searched every square inch of that park.
50:25But there is a fair lot of ground to cover.
50:29I would say it's in excess of 10 football pitches.
50:32And then we may need to go into the water as well.
50:35And that's sizeable.
50:39He's leading us a merry dance, isn't he?
50:41Yeah.
50:42It's very difficult to get through in there.
50:43It is.
50:44Really difficult.
50:45Police search the area for five days.
50:55The dogs indicated towards a pile of logs.
51:11Are we moving?
51:12Yeah.
51:13Still need to move a few small ones to get a proper look.
51:16Look like a piece of flesh.
51:28You see anything?
51:29Yeah.
51:30Down there.
51:31Oh yeah, I see it.
51:32Yeah.
51:33That was an arm.
51:34Yeah.
51:35Gosh.
51:36It looks like it's bent over, so it looks like it's bent over.
52:00It looks like she's bent over, so I think that's her wrist you can see.
52:13Certainly a human torso and it looks pretty much intact.
52:22It kind of looks like a tree has fallen over and in the base of the tree, the sort of hole
52:30that the tree's left, he's used that as a half dug grave already for him and then he's
52:36covered it over with mud and other bits of wood.
52:41Do you ever get used to this part of your job?
52:48Never get used to it, no, no, I think that's someone's daughter, sister.
53:02It's very sad, a complete waste of life.
53:08He has gone to some effort to conceal Agnes' body and covering his tracks or attempting
53:15to it.
53:20We often deal with death, unfortunately, and we do become hardened to it in many respects,
53:27but seeing Agnes, if it is Agnes in this position, does bring it home again and it is very upsetting,
53:35very sad.
53:42The CSM confirmed the identification that it is Agnes.
53:52So provisional cause of death is unascertained.
53:57There are multiple impacts to the head, so we had three impacts to the right side of the
54:01head and 14 plus impacts to the left side of the head.
54:05The impacts to the head are clustered, possibly suggesting the deceased quickly lost consciousness.
54:09Bear in mind the earlier theories, there's no evidence of any dismemberment.
54:15No, nothing like that at all.
54:17So it looks as if Agnes was bludgeoned to death with an implement that we don't really know
54:21yet, although there is a thought process that it may well be the jigsaw.
54:26I spoke to mum this morning just to confirm the dental records.
54:32I did explain to them the thoughts of the pathologist as well, saying that unconsciousness
54:37and death may have followed quite quickly so that she wouldn't have felt any pain or suffered,
54:42which I think they appreciated.
54:44Yeah.
54:45And yeah, I think yesterday was her birthday, so mum said it's not really something that
54:51she thinks she'd be doing on her daughter's 21st birthday.
54:54I've also told them that we'll go today to blow the flowers, to take a photo and I'll
54:59send it off to the family.
55:09It's fairly evident that she was murdered shortly after entering that container.
55:13I think his first interview with the police is more or less truthful.
55:19So why did you go in?
55:21Well, I think he's been insulted by his advances towards her, and for whatever reason, there's
55:28then been an act of violence which has caused her death.
55:34And then within a few short hours of that time, he's then going on his travels disposing of evidence.
55:39And as we know, he's had nine days to conceal his tracks.
55:43I don't think it would have sound easy with anybody if we had not located Agnes.
55:45The fact that we have found her, and we now know and understand the manner in which she died,
55:50will hopefully give some comfort and closure to the family and try and allow them to get their head around this horrible ordeal.
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