Haunted Michigan, Episode 11: Detroit Paranormal Expedition
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00:00Haunted Michigan, Terrifying Tales.
00:05Alright guys, welcome to Haunted Michigan. It's Meltdown here along with Todd Bonner and Jeff Atkins from Detroit Paranormal Expeditions.
00:11A lot of stuff to talk to about these guys. It's been a year since we had them on Haunted Michigan just last year and looking forward to talking with them again.
00:19Todd, good to see you.
00:20Good to see you too. Thanks for having me back.
00:22Yeah, Jeff, how are you, man?
00:23Hey, good. Good to be here.
00:24Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, you guys have done a lot of stuff since you were here last.
00:29You have a lot of things going on, of course. This is this time of year.
00:32So we're going to get all this coming up here on the show.
00:36But first of all, I wanted to talk to you guys about this PBS show that you guys have coming up in March.
00:41So, Ty, why don't you tell us a little bit about that?
00:43Get right up there on that microphone so people can hear you and see you.
00:46So we actually started this pre-pandemic.
00:49We had been talking with PBS back and forth and then the pandemic hit and we really couldn't do anything.
00:54So we picked it back up again early this year and we filmed, I think, six episodes so far.
01:01And we're excited about it. It's been fun.
01:03We've actually been lucky and focused on history too, a lot of history.
01:07There's a lot of cool places in Michigan.
01:09We're really kind of showcasing these places that are kind of obscure and people don't know about.
01:13And we've been lucky and fortunate enough to actually get some paranormal, capture some paranormal activity.
01:18Really?
01:18I'll be investigated, which is, you know, you can't predict if that's going to happen or not.
01:22A lot of these TV shows sensationalize that stuff.
01:26We're not. We're authentic.
01:27If we don't get anything, we even said in the beginning when we start filming, that happens.
01:31That's realistic.
01:32Sometimes we go places for eight, nine hours and nothing happens.
01:36And so we want to keep it as real as possible.
01:38And I'm proud of what we've done so far.
01:41Well, I've seen stuff like our friend Steve Shippey, and they've got some really cool stuff from Hell House.
01:47And I get that they film over and over and over again, but it's like when you're getting all that stuff and compiling, it's pretty impressive.
01:53Yeah, Steve's done a really great job, does some really good work.
01:56And, you know, like Todd was saying, part of what we want to do with this series is find those interesting kind of historic elements of the state and those kind of stories that people might not know.
02:05I mean, you know, there's been some sites that we've been to that I thought I knew the history of, and then I'm learning stuff about it.
02:11These little kind of stories that are lost to history, I guess, except for a select few people.
02:15So we're trying to shine a light on that stuff, too.
02:17So how many places, Jeff, have you guys hit up on this for the show?
02:22Well, like Todd said, we filmed about six places right now.
02:25We've got probably another dozen or so in mind, but we're going to try to crank out a couple of seasons of it and then hopefully hit the air in the spring of this coming year in 2024.
02:35And we'd like to kick out season two around Halloween next year.
02:37And Todd, how do you guys determine where to go?
02:40Well, since Jeff and I have been doing this for around 11 years, I guess you can consider it professionally together.
02:48We've made a good we have a good reputation and we've met a lot of cool people that run these locations.
02:53So we're going back to the places that we've been to before, except for a few.
02:58We've reached out to a few people this year through Facebook, social media.
03:02Stern's House is one of them.
03:03And I didn't know if she was going to be interested in it, but she was totally down for us coming in and doing what we're doing.
03:10And we filmed the episode there.
03:11And it's actually a pretty profound episode.
03:14Some strange things happen.
03:15Yeah.
03:16So you just mentioned this Stern's House.
03:18Let's talk about that.
03:19So you guys have a thing going on, an investigation or a tour, I guess you'd call it, on October 13th, Friday the 13th.
03:25Is that right?
03:26Friday the 13th.
03:26Yeah.
03:27Yeah.
03:27We're looking forward to it.
03:28And so now this is almost sold out.
03:30I mean, by the time this airs, it might be sold out, but so many people you take on these tours.
03:36Well, there's two sessions that night.
03:38We're going to limit it to 18 per session.
03:40We think there's a lot of big open spaces in this place, too.
03:42You've got to remember this place is 16,000 square feet.
03:45Oh, my God.
03:46I didn't realize that was that big.
03:47Yeah.
03:47In some places, our tours are a little bit smaller.
03:50It kind of is commiserate with the size of the building.
03:53So sometimes they're as small as 10 or even less than 10 people.
03:55But this one, we think we can take people through in groups of up to 18, and it'll still be spacious enough to where people have really good experiences.
04:02They can spread out a little bit.
04:03The way we do our tours, we ask them to stick with us on the floor that we're on.
04:07But if they want to go check out a different part on that floor, they can.
04:10So you don't have to stay right by us.
04:12But, yeah, we're really looking forward to it.
04:14Like you said, I mean, it's been less than 24 hours since we announced it.
04:17And it's 75% sold out right now.
04:19So we'll see how it goes.
04:20And who knows?
04:20Maybe more will come down the pipeline.
04:22And how do you pick a place like the Stearns House?
04:25Has there been just activity there?
04:27Or was it a place you drove by and thought, this place looks weird?
04:30Or how does that work?
04:31Well, I've always, and Jeff, too, we've always seen this house sitting right on West Jefferson by Belle Isle.
04:36And I always wondered what it was.
04:38It's like an English Tudor-style mansion.
04:41It's pretty unique for the city.
04:42Yeah, it doesn't look like it fits.
04:44And when you walk in, the new owners have put their heart and soul in this place.
04:50So if you walk in, it's not like you're in Detroit.
04:52I mean, they've imported some of the carpets from Italy.
04:54And it just blows you away to go in there.
04:57They have a ballroom in there.
04:59And the history behind Frederick Stearns across the street was a Stearns pharmaceutical company.
05:04You can still see the sign, Stearns.
05:06They turned into condos, I think, in the 80s or something like that.
05:10Oh, is that the Alden condos or whatever it is?
05:13It might be.
05:14Yeah, something like that.
05:14Yeah, you're probably right.
05:15And then Frederick Stearns actually owned the Michigan Wolverines, which, again, I didn't know.
05:22It was a professional baseball team, Major League Baseball team, but then National League in Detroit.
05:26They won the World Series in, I think, 1897?
05:3018...
05:30Something like that.
05:3087, 1887.
05:32And they were only around for eight years.
05:34Four of the players are in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
05:37Wow.
05:38You know, it's like, I never knew that.
05:40You know, born and raised, I'm a huge sports fan, and I never heard of the Detroit Wolverines.
05:44Who knew that Detroit had a National League team at one time?
05:46Or a championship.
05:47Yeah.
05:48Yeah.
05:49That, too.
05:50And then you guys also have some stuff going up with the Michigan Museum of Horror.
05:54And that's on Monroe, and that's our friend Nate Thompson.
05:57So what are you guys going to be doing on there?
05:58Same type thing?
05:59Yeah, same type of tour.
06:01You know, a place like that, the building itself has its own history.
06:04You know, Monroe is very historic, but his collection of artifacts in there, I mean, think about
06:09some of the things that those items have seen.
06:12You know, there's not only real human bones in there, too, but I mean, you've also got
06:15funeral equipment, you know, he's got stuff from crime scenes, so there could be energy
06:20attached to all that kind of stuff.
06:22Yeah, that's right, because maybe the building might not have something, but you bring something
06:25into the building.
06:26Have you guys seen that happen before?
06:27Absolutely.
06:28Absolutely.
06:28That's why they say antique shops a lot of times will be haunted because of the different,
06:32you know, artifacts and antiques that come in and out of the place.
06:35We had a lady, what was that, Royal Oak or somewhere that was wanting us to come out
06:38a few times.
06:39Yeah.
06:40She said she'd get a piece of art would come in, and she had all this paranormal activity,
06:46and then when it sold, it all stopped.
06:48I think it was a painting or something she had told us.
06:51There was another story, too, that you might remember, Todd, from last fall when we were
06:55running events at Bruce Mansion.
06:57So we'd been investigating, we were doing the same type of thing, and we all of a sudden
07:02started getting all this talk about drugs and overdosing through the spirit box, and
07:07it was really sustained.
07:09It was the same voice, and it lasted for a couple minutes.
07:12And, you know, I think that was a case where something came in that was not associated with
07:16the building or even anybody there.
07:19But I think that that can happen, though.
07:21Well, I don't know if I was talking to you guys, but somebody was using a spirit box and
07:25somebody was talking about a drug overdose to somebody that was in the room, that somebody
07:29they knew.
07:29Maybe it was somebody else I was talking to.
07:31I talked to a lot of guys.
07:31I might have been, for one.
07:32There was someone's, or people's family members and friends have actually come through.
07:36I mean, there was one instance last year where there was so specific what she was hearing
07:41that she actually started crying.
07:42Yeah, so Moshe was her sister that passed away like six months earlier.
07:45Yeah, and that sticks with me because she was just so taken aback by it.
07:50Yeah.
07:51Hey, Todd, fix that mic.
07:52Put it like right down in front of you there.
07:54There you go.
07:55All right, perfect.
07:56Got to be professional about this.
07:58At least once in my life.
08:01So also, you guys have a cemetery walks coming to Taylor.
08:04Is that correct?
08:05Yeah.
08:05At the Golden Ridge Cemetery in Taylor.
08:08I believe it's Taylor's oldest cemetery or second oldest.
08:11Oldest municipal burial ground.
08:13Yeah.
08:13And it was like a potter's field where in potter's fields back in those times where people that
08:18didn't have a lot of money, you just get buried with, you know, sometimes no headstone.
08:22Right.
08:22Sometimes it's just a little piece of cement slab.
08:26And the historical site is actually went into that cemetery and like fixed a lot of these
08:32gravestones that were broken and sunken and really they've done a lot of work.
08:37It's amazing.
08:38Like you can actually read the tombstones now.
08:40They found like I think a dozen or so buried like two or three feet in the ground that
08:44they didn't even know they were there.
08:45They were just, they found them.
08:47And yeah, it's a cool, cool place.
08:49They've done a lot of good work there.
08:50We want to support historical sites.
08:51That's one of our mission statements.
08:53When we first started this historical preservation throughout the state of Michigan.
08:56Yeah.
08:56And also speaking of that, you've got the Santa Light County Historic Village.
09:00Is that correct?
09:01What's going on there?
09:02Yeah, that's going to be at the end of October.
09:04I think we're looking at October 28th for that one.
09:07That's going to be, you know, it's kind of a really neat place.
09:10It's almost like a smaller Greenfield Village.
09:12And at the sense that they've brought all these buildings onto one property.
09:15There's a really big, awesome mansion there that was once owned by a doctor.
09:20It was built in the 1870s.
09:21Have some really good activity in there.
09:23But there's other buildings there.
09:24There's an old train depot.
09:26There's an old church.
09:28It was a saloon at one time.
09:29Believe it or not, it was both a church and a saloon at different times.
09:31An old school house and all that kind of stuff.
09:33But yeah, it's really cool.
09:35We've taken people through several of the buildings on the property.
09:38Using our equipment and see if we have any experiences.
09:40And we also let people, if you want to bring your own equipment, you can.
09:43You don't just have to use our stuff.
09:45You know, because sometimes there's, and the people that come on our tours are just interested in the paranormal.
09:51Not necessarily paranormal investigators.
09:52So we, you know, a lot of people will get bored after two or three hours.
09:56So we kind of keep it two hours to keep them entertained as much as possible.
09:59But if they have their own equipment, bring it.
10:01We always tell them to bring it.
10:02Now, speaking of having your own equipment, I was just thinking about this when you were talking about the cemetery walks.
10:06Is there ever any time where you're just like, I don't know, you're home, you're bored, there's nothing going on.
10:10So you just take, you know, your spirit box into a cemetery.
10:12Do you guys ever do that?
10:14Oh yeah, we have.
10:15Absolutely.
10:15Absolutely.
10:15Where you're just kind of just like, well, let's go over here and see what happens.
10:18Yeah, because you never know.
10:19And, you know, to me, I think because we've done this for so long and we're obviously open to the spiritual side, it's all around us.
10:29I mean, you can go to the grocery store or the gas station and you might notice something.
10:32It doesn't have to necessarily be a cemetery.
10:33I think there's things everywhere you go.
10:35But cemeteries have that look to it, so it's always nice to go to a cemetery.
10:39It definitely fits the bill.
10:40Yeah, it's all about that look for sure.
10:43So, Jeff, you were just telling me before we started that you had something happen just this past weekend in Portland, Michigan.
10:48You were at your girlfriend's grandfather's house or something?
10:51Yeah, yeah, family cabin back in the woods in Portland.
10:54So for a lot of these viewers, listeners, you might not know there is a Portland, Michigan, but there is a Portland, Michigan.
11:01There's a Portland, it seems like, in every state.
11:03Yeah, yeah, so it's way back in the woods and I'm sitting there by myself and he was really big on dogs.
11:10He's a big dog guy, he's a big outdoors person, and there's a couple little statues of dogs in the house.
11:15And he had passed away?
11:16He passed away a few years ago, I want to say in 2018.
11:20And so I'm sitting in this bedroom, there's this little statue of a dog over by the wall, and mind you, it's very dark.
11:25There's where it's at, I mean, there's nowhere that car headlights could come in the windows or anything like that.
11:29And I'm sitting there by myself and there's this flash on the wall.
11:33It's just like as if someone took their phone and took a picture, like the flash just like that.
11:37It lasted about a second, maybe a little bit less than a second, but it was very bright and very obvious.
11:41It's not something that was subtle.
11:42And so much so that I thought there was a lamp over there that had, like, malfunctioned.
11:47So I walked over there to see what was going on with this lamp, and there is no lamp.
11:50There's just that little statue of the dog and there's nothing else around it.
11:54So that was a pretty crazy experience.
11:56You don't see things visual too often, so to see something that clearly was, you know.
12:01And you were just by yourself in that room?
12:02I was by myself.
12:03So nobody else is there to witness it?
12:04Nope.
12:05It's the way it goes.
12:06So you guys, I was up there last year with you, I think shortly after Halloween at the Bruce Manor there.
12:13Bruce Manchin.
12:15Yeah, yeah, Bruce Manchin off of Van Dyke in Brown City.
12:18Right, and so when I was there, I don't recall much happening.
12:22That is a crazy house, but did you guys have some good experiences there last year?
12:26Oh, yeah.
12:26I mean, over the years, we've been there a couple times over the last few years, and, you know, we have had a lot of experiences.
12:31We saw what's called a shadow figure in there in the parlor.
12:35Now, that's something that a lot of people did see.
12:37There was like eight or nine of us there when this happened.
12:38Wow.
12:39And Todd thought that somebody was standing next to our friend Matt, so Todd says, Matt, who's standing next to you?
12:44And Matt puts his arm on and says, no one's standing next to me like this.
12:46And this black silhouette, like, comes forward, like, towards, like, right towards Todd and our friend Brandy.
12:52And Brandy screamed and darted behind me, and Todd, like, shot to the right, you know.
12:57And this was witnessed by, like, eight or nine people.
12:59And this silhouette was, like, seven feet tall.
13:02And it went in that parlor, the main parlor room where you saw, and then it went towards the dining room.
13:06It just went right through the doorway.
13:08And we were getting ready to leave, too.
13:10That's the thing.
13:11We're kind of wrapping up.
13:11We're all standing in the...
13:12This is, like, 2 a.m. or something?
13:14It was pretty late.
13:14Yeah, it was after everybody else had left.
13:17It was, like, pitch black, lights weren't on, and you could just see, like, everyone's shadow.
13:20Like, we're standing around in a circle.
13:22And then I said, we're not leaving yet.
13:24Even though I wanted to, because it was just a weird feeling, the hair on the back of my neck stood up.
13:26Because it's kind of scary, plus everyone screamed, and you get freaked out anyway.
13:29So we decided to keep investigating.
13:31We went upstairs, and then when I looked downstairs, I can see this thing peek around the corner upstairs.
13:37Do you remember how the stairs go?
13:38And it looked like its eyes, you could see its eyes were, like, almost, I want to say, like, bicycle reflector light.
13:45And there's no light.
13:45It was pitch black.
13:46So I shined the flashlight real quick.
13:48There's nothing there.
13:49So I turned the light off.
13:49You can see this thing peeking around the corner.
13:51That's the only thing I can think of, the way its eyes reflected.
13:54And then that was it.
13:55We just left after that.
13:56Interestingly, too, so with that story, the shadow figure story was, I want to say that might have even been the fall of 21.
14:02I think it was a little bit farther back.
14:04But last year, though, in that other parlor, so you've got the one that we started the events in,
14:10and the other one that's, like, to the right of the front door when you're walking in.
14:13Where the stuffed cats out.
14:14Yeah.
14:14Yeah, the stuffed cats.
14:15Very, very realistic stuffed cat.
14:17I saw, on a separate occasion, the kind of, the way you described it as, like, a bicycle reflector.
14:24I saw the same thing in that room.
14:27I didn't see a shadow figure, but I did see, like, against a dark wall where nothing else was a real quick, like, just like a reflector.
14:33You know what I mean?
14:35But that was roughly the same spot where you saw that thing peeking around.
14:38Yeah, because it was coming out, like, looking up at us.
14:40Yeah.
14:40And then, you know, like Jeff said, we've had, I don't know, for whatever reason, last year especially,
14:45we had a lot of spirit box interaction, like, people's loved ones that had passed.
14:50It seemed like almost every tour.
14:52It happens a lot.
14:53And people would get emotional.
14:53It gets me emotional because that's kind of what we want to do.
14:56You know, if there's, there could be a message that their past ones want to tell them.
14:59You know what I mean?
15:00And it was kind of amazing, some of the stuff that happened last year.
15:03The one we were talking about with the lady, and I think she lost her sister.
15:08The word peaches kept coming through, and I'm like, why the hell is this, like, the third time I've heard the word peaches come through?
15:13And people don't always speak up right away.
15:15Right, right.
15:15But then when she did speak up, well, that's what her sister called her.
15:18That was her nickname.
15:19And it's like, we haven't heard that word come through the box ever.
15:22And it was the same voice, and I think it's something like, said, you're a good mother, and I miss you, and stuff like that.
15:28And something else that was only her sister would say or know, and she just broke down crying.
15:33You know, and people think what we do is weird.
15:36Obviously, it is.
15:37But, you know, the people that come on the tours, they're just interested in this stuff.
15:41Right.
15:41Like, normal people.
15:42You want to be entertained.
15:42Yeah, and for that to happen to them, I think it really blows them away, too.
15:48It's like, you know.
15:49And us.
15:50I mean, I'm still always, like, in shock and awe when these amazing kind of connections happen.
15:56Yeah, I mean, I was really excited to go there and hang out with you guys last year, and I went there.
16:00And I think one of you guys at one point offered, you know, to have me hold the thing and talk to you.
16:04I'm like, that's not happening.
16:07Some people are all about it, and some people are like, no, thank you.
16:10I'll just witness.
16:11It's just a big buyer from afar, you know.
16:13You guys told me before we started the Kenyon Lakeside Resort in Lupton, Michigan.
16:18Now, is this going to be on the show, on the PBS special, or is this something different?
16:22Second season.
16:22Yeah.
16:23Well, hopefully second.
16:24We haven't filmed there, but we're looking to possibly film there.
16:27And Flanagan's Irish pub?
16:29We visited there in Grand Rapids.
16:31We might approach them about it.
16:33That's got quite a history to it, and we got to see some of the edges of the tunnels beneath it.
16:37There's tunnels there for Prohibition Days and stuff like that.
16:39We got to go through there.
16:40They're actually pretty big.
16:41Speaking of that, you know, well, not so much Prohibition, but the Underground Railroad.
16:45Have you guys ever done anything at the New Hudson Inn?
16:51No, but it's on my list big time.
16:52I really want to.
16:53That's the oldest bar in Michigan.
16:55Yes, absolutely.
16:56And it's got that cool case when you walk into the left there.
16:59It's got a nice case with some of the artifacts that they found there.
17:03And, yeah, that's very, very much on my list.
17:05We haven't had a chance to approach them, but I'd love to.
17:08And a few minutes ago, you mentioned Brandy.
17:09We should talk about her for just a second.
17:11So she was on that Netflix special.
17:13What was that, 28 Days?
17:1428 Days Haunted.
17:15Haunted, yeah.
17:16And that was pretty well.
17:17Again, one of those things where they film for hours and hours and hours and compile all this great footage.
17:23She was locked in for actually 28 days straight.
17:24Yeah.
17:25Yeah.
17:26And at one point, I don't want to give up too much, give up the ghost, no pun intended, but the guy she was with had to leave.
17:33Yeah.
17:34And so then she was there by herself.
17:35He ended up going to an ER, and I think she was there by herself for quite some time.
17:39Yeah.
17:39Like, I think half of a night or something like that.
17:41Yeah.
17:42Yeah.
17:42Brandy's another one that we've been to, like, public speaking events or tours or whatnot.
17:50And she, I don't know how that works with psychics, but she's probably one of the best I've ever seen.
17:55She can go up to a total stranger, not even know this person.
17:57And we've seen this numerous times and started saying, I'm getting a message from, you know, it could be their mother or their sister or their father.
18:03And it's so specific.
18:05And we've seen her make people cry.
18:07You know, it's just amazing the messages that, I don't know how that works, but she's done some amazing stuff too in front of us.
18:15Yeah.
18:16And complete strangers.
18:17Yeah.
18:17So what is the place you guys have investigated the most in Michigan?
18:22What's the one that we've investigated the most?
18:25Hmm.
18:26Well, we spent there for a couple of years.
18:28We did a lot at Eloise.
18:30Oh, you have to see.
18:31I wasn't sure if you guys did that.
18:32Okay.
18:32Yeah.
18:32We started that in 2018.
18:34We were the first to investigate it.
18:35And then we also were the first to run tours out of it in 18.
18:38How'd those tours go?
18:40Good.
18:40Yeah.
18:40Very, very busy and very active.
18:42Yeah.
18:43I mean, I had some great experiences there, really.
18:46I mean, one of them that sticks out in my mind was the first time we ever investigated it, which would have been around August 30th of 2018.
18:53I remember the date.
18:54And we were setting up on the third floor.
18:58And each in the building, which is what they call Eloise, that was one of a lot of buildings.
19:02But everybody calls that Eloise.
19:03In the middle of the floor, one through all the way up to, I think, five or maybe even six.
19:10I can't remember how many floors there are now.
19:12There was a tub where there was a room where they had a tub for hydrotherapy.
19:16So on the third floor, that tub is gone, but the room is still there.
19:19So I was walking down the main hallway there, and I heard this woman just babbling, complete gibberish.
19:25I mean, talking as loudly as we are lasted probably two, maybe even three seconds in the way down in the back of this room.
19:32And I walked down there and said, hello?
19:34I thought somebody was in there.
19:35And when you turn the corner and go into where the tub room is there, the door was nailed shut.
19:41I mean, there's no other entrance or exit or anything.
19:44I mean, but that voice definitely came from that direction.
19:48And it's one of the loudest, clearest, disembodied voices I've ever heard.
19:52Yeah.
19:52You weren't there, though, Todd.
19:53You weren't there at that particular moment?
19:55Not with him.
19:56He was there that night.
19:57I was there that night.
19:57Jeff liked to go off on his own.
19:59I never really wanted that building by myself.
20:01Like Jeff said, we started the tours in 2018, 2019.
20:05And the first night we ever investigated there, I ran out of the building.
20:10We were doing Facebook Live.
20:11You're talking about the one where you looked up and everybody was gone?
20:13Yeah.
20:14So it was late.
20:15You know, we were excited because as a paranormal investigator, everyone's always wanting to get an Eloise.
20:18And then a friend of a friend connected us with the new owner.
20:22And we're like, he said, you guys can investigate.
20:23We're like, no way.
20:24So we went there and investigated.
20:27So it was late.
20:28And everyone gets on their phones.
20:29You know, we're all standing like kind of by the nurses station, I think.
20:32So I sat on the floor and I'm getting on my phone, just catching up on my text message and stuff.
20:36And I get locked into my phone.
20:38I look up.
20:38Everyone's gone.
20:39I'm like, shit.
20:40And I go, we were doing a Facebook Live, so we had cameras set up and all that stuff.
20:46So I go by the monitor.
20:47And for some reason, it made me feel comfortable to talk to the people live because I was getting a little scared by myself.
20:52And then I heard something behind me because we were in like a, they call it a ward.
20:56So there would have probably been like 50 beds in this ward.
21:00You know, there was no privacy back then, bed after bed after bed.
21:02And at first, I'm like, someone back there, and this is on video too, and I was scared, started getting scared.
21:10And I thought maybe those guys had snuck back in somehow or trying to scare me.
21:13And then it stopped.
21:14So I started talking to people, going, yeah, we're at Eloise.
21:16This is going on, blah, blah, blah.
21:18And then did it again.
21:19I said, hello?
21:19And you can see me take my flashlight and look, because it was pitch black and nothing.
21:23And then it started getting louder, and I just basically ran out of the room.
21:27And then I had to run, I think we were on the fourth or fifth floor.
21:29Yeah.
21:29I had to run all the way down the stairs because there's no elevator.
21:32It doesn't work, obviously.
21:33So you had to run down the stairs.
21:34So they're out, and I go outside.
21:35They're all standing outside.
21:36It's not, no one was in the building.
21:38And after I left, we left the recorders going and the microphones.
21:41And you could hear like shower, because we were by the shower room.
21:45Shower curtains moving, doors slamming.
21:48There's no one in the building.
21:49And that was the first night we ever investigated that place.
21:51Yeah.
21:52Honestly, the first night was probably the most active out of all the nights that we'd ever been there.
21:56And maybe it's because nobody had ever tried to communicate with them.
22:00I don't know.
22:00Yeah, you were stirring it all up.
22:01So what's a place that you've been to, like, not that many times where you want to go back?
22:07Well, you know what?
22:08One that I'd love to get back into, but unfortunately, I don't know if it's ever going to happen.
22:11It would be the 6th Precinct building.
22:12It's an old police station in Detroit.
22:15Really great location.
22:16Very active.
22:18We had these little rocks thrown at us in the basement.
22:24And now, mind you, when we first got access to this place, you know, there was power, but there was, like, no heat.
22:31It was, like, December, January.
22:32Yeah, it was wintertime.
22:33So we were in the basement in the wintertime.
22:35I mean, it was like being in a freezer.
22:37I think it was probably literally in the 20s down there.
22:39And we're sitting down there, you know, got these thick winter jackets on.
22:42And you could feel these rocks hitting through the jacket.
22:46They hit me in, like, my back.
22:47And the most famous story, which happened that same night that those rocks were being thrown at us,
22:52one of the then owner, one of his employees was, like, a nonbeliever, but wanted to, like, go out with us and, you know, whatever.
22:59And he's sitting up.
23:00He's in the basement with us when this is happening.
23:01And he had his arms crossed.
23:04He's leaning up against the wall.
23:05And a rock hit him on the bottom of his arm.
23:07So it came up from the floor and hit him in the bottom of his arm.
23:10He was so spooked that he left.
23:11He said, I'm out of here.
23:12Yeah, he left that night.
23:15So, I mean, yeah, I would love to go back there.
23:18Unfortunately, a good friend of ours, Ed Steele, owned it.
23:21He passed away from COVID in July of 21.
23:25Now, that was with stuff physically being thrown at you or whatever.
23:31What other experiences have you had where there's been physical activity going, like, you know, glasses coming off shelves, stuff like that?
23:38The first one that comes to mind for me was this place up in the UP.
23:41It's called Iron County Historical Museum.
23:44Very unassuming, just small, you know, kind of museum.
23:48It's sort of like the Sandilac one in that they have, like, maybe two dozen buildings they've all brought to this one property.
23:53But, man, one night we were in there and, you know, we were in this house of this former musician.
23:59Her name was Carrie Jacobs Bond.
24:00She's the first woman to ever sell a million copies of a song.
24:04So, you know, not much was happening in this house.
24:06But then we found some actually original music from her on YouTube from the 30s and played it.
24:12And the whole entire vibe of that place changed.
24:14And I don't think that what we encountered was her.
24:16But for some reason, that music did trigger it.
24:19And this thing that we use by the size of a TV remote shot off of a couch.
24:24And I wish we had it on video.
24:25What I do have is the audio of it shoots off of this couch.
24:29You can hear it go off of the couch.
24:31With force.
24:32Hit our friend Lauren in the leg.
24:34And she's so scared.
24:35She's, you know, they all scream.
24:37She started crying and wouldn't go back in the house.
24:40So that sticks out in my mind.
24:42What about you, Todd?
24:44Well, actually, we're in Savannah.
24:45I got pushed.
24:46Well, we'll talk about Savannah here in a second.
24:47I want to stick with Michigan for just a second.
24:48But I do want to get to Savannah here in a second.
24:51Actually, the Thirst Parlor.
24:52For some reason, the last year and a half, two years, I've been getting touched or scratched.
24:57And we're at the Thirst Parlor in Wyandotte.
24:58Oh, yeah.
24:59That was the old hangout with the Purple Gang.
25:01And Steve Malley, which you'll see soon, owns that.
25:05He did a phenomenal job preserving the history.
25:07There's a lot of cool things on the walls and stuff.
25:09Yeah, I went up there in the third floor.
25:12Yeah, it's cool.
25:12Second and third floor is where they say a lot of the activity was.
25:14And that night, we were on the first floor.
25:16It's just Jeff and I in there.
25:18And I got scratched on my hand.
25:20I think it went over the video.
25:21You can see.
25:22I showed my hand.
25:23I'm walking.
25:24I'm like, man, I got scratched.
25:25Show the camera.
25:26I had a scratch on my hand.
25:27It was really weird because, I mean, this is on Facebook Live.
25:30It's on our page right now, actually.
25:31But, I mean, we were on the first floor.
25:34And I think you reacted when that happened.
25:36You're looking at your finger.
25:37And there's absolutely nothing on the wall.
25:39There's not like a nail sticking out or anything like that to have scratched him.
25:43So we went back and looked.
25:44You know, tried to debunk everything.
25:46And my hand was just, I'm just walking down the hallway, you know.
25:50And I felt the scratch.
25:51And then I looked.
25:52I'm like, I have a scratch on my hand.
25:54We went back and looked over the video so many times and zoomed in.
25:56And there was nothing.
25:57I didn't come close to the wall.
25:58I mean, hmm.
25:59I thought for sure there must be like a nail or something, you know.
26:02But there's just absolutely nothing there to do that.
26:04So I don't know.
26:05Yeah.
26:05So you brought it up.
26:07We'll talk about this.
26:08The Savannah Haunting.
26:10That's the movie that is based on a true life of events down in Savannah, Georgia.
26:17And so you guys went down there last November?
26:20December.
26:20December.
26:21Yep.
26:21Good time to get out of the Detroit area, by the way.
26:24Yeah.
26:25Well, it's except for I got sick and we had to come home.
26:27Oh, that's right.
26:28That's right.
26:28I was in the hospital for like almost a week.
26:31I remember that.
26:31Yeah.
26:32Which, I mean, that was it was a disaster.
26:34It's probably the most unwelcome place I've ever been to.
26:36Just the whole feeling.
26:39Well, the reason I reached out to them, the producers and stuff, is because, you know,
26:43I saw the trailers like based, you know, filmed in the actual haunted house.
26:46You don't see that too often.
26:48And so I contacted them like, yeah, you guys come down.
26:50We're going to end up staying the week there.
26:51We can stay actually in the house, sleep in the house, stay there.
26:54And as soon as we got there, the feeling in the house is just super, super cold for some reason.
27:00And now let's back up for one second, because they filmed this in the actual house.
27:05In the house that we stayed in.
27:06Yeah.
27:06With actors.
27:08Yeah.
27:08And stuff happened while they were filming too.
27:10I think they did have experience.
27:12Yeah.
27:12They have.
27:13And they were able to capture a lot of that.
27:14And they're working on the documentary to pair with the film.
27:17Okay.
27:17Of showing like stuff that happened to the actors and showing the stuff we've captured when
27:21we were there.
27:22I will say that that place is haunted, but not in a good way.
27:26It didn't feel.
27:27Yeah.
27:27Something.
27:27Jeff got super, super sick.
27:28I was super sick.
27:29I was actually.
27:29Super sick, like get a right to emergency.
27:31We drove 15 hours home and he went right to emergency room.
27:35So how long did you understand down there?
27:37We were there for like maybe a little more than two days.
27:39Two and a half days.
27:40We were going to be there for like four days, but we had to cut it short because that was
27:43just so sick.
27:44And did Brandy go with you guys?
27:45She was there.
27:46Yeah.
27:47So it was just you three?
27:49And our friend Joe does video work.
27:51We had a guy film.
27:52Yeah.
27:52Film guy to film us.
27:54And I don't know.
27:56And you got pushed.
27:56I got pushed.
27:57They said the one bedroom where I actually slept in, they had the most activity in.
28:03Like the rocking chair would move.
28:04I think it was in one of their clips for the movie.
28:06The rocking chair would move on its own.
28:08So Brandy were sitting in the room.
28:10I think we were doing spirit box or maybe just EVP.
28:12And I set the camera on the bed just to film us, not thinking anything would happen.
28:16And I got, and I've had neck surgery.
28:19So I have neck issues, shoulder issues.
28:21And it pushed whatever it was.
28:23And we went over the video.
28:23You can't see anything.
28:25But it pushed hard on my shoulder.
28:27It pushed me down.
28:28And I freaked out and jumped up because it's pitch black.
28:31I can't see anything.
28:31Brandy freaks out.
28:32She goes, what happened?
28:33What's going on?
28:34And that was it for me.
28:36I didn't even want to be there anymore after that because I've never had that happen.
28:38Yeah.
28:39With force.
28:39It was like a real person pushing on my arm.
28:41Just pushing.
28:43I saw that video, by the way.
28:44And I'm relaxed.
28:45I'm just sitting in the dark.
28:46I never in a million years would think that would happen.
28:48Never.
28:48Honestly, ever.
28:49You're not prepared for that because I would have been like 10 steps ready for it.
28:52I'm just sitting there relaxed.
28:53And I pushed down.
28:54And that was it.
28:55It was force.
28:55And so for whatever reason, stuff like that's happened to me lately.
28:59It never, all the previous 10 years or so, nothing like that's ever happened.
29:03Just it's more been shadow figures and audio stuff.
29:07And now I'm getting physically touched.
29:09But I could have started at that house.
29:10I don't know.
29:11Because a few things happen after, like getting scratched.
29:13And just weird stuff has happened.
29:15And all those times in Eloise, nothing like that ever happened.
29:18I never got pushed or scratched.
29:19So you mentioned when you walk into this place, right away there's an uneasy feeling.
29:23That doesn't happen often?
29:26You know, it does that sometimes.
29:28Not all the time.
29:30You know, I think at this point, people always ask us, like, how do you not get scared doing this?
29:34And I guess the fact of the matter is, is that it's still exciting for us.
29:39But we're, like, used to it in a way.
29:41So do we get scared?
29:43Absolutely.
29:43At certain times, like when the thing shot off the couch and things like that, when something really extreme happens.
29:49But, you know, the things like a disembodied voice or, you know, even like that light that I saw, that might scare some people.
29:57Like, holy hell, this big flash in this room just came out of nowhere.
30:00And it might bolt out of the room.
30:01But for me, it's like, that's just another day in the life.
30:03It is, it's like, you know, I compare it to, it's like an adrenaline rush.
30:08It's the only way, you know, people love roller coasters that, you know, are adventures and stuff like that.
30:13That's the feeling I get when something happens.
30:15It's like that, but it's scary in the same sense.
30:18And we, like, we've ran out a couple places.
30:20I'm not embarrassed to say that.
30:22What place have you been run out of?
30:24Well, Eloise, Mary County.
30:28How much time do you have?
30:30No, it's only a couple times.
30:32I don't do that all the time.
30:33Because then people, when I tell people that story, like, well, isn't that what you do?
30:35You should try and stay in there.
30:36But honestly, it's almost like a fight or flight instinct.
30:40I want to stay there.
30:41I want to see what's happening.
30:42But my body's like, get out of here.
30:43Get out of here.
30:43So I just go with my instincts and run out of places sometimes.
30:46But it is a fight or flight.
30:48Yeah.
30:48Well, I'm getting scared right now because they're out there cutting the grass.
30:50And if they get grass on my motorcycle, I'm going to be so mad.
30:53I'll tell you about that story later.
30:55But is there places here in Michigan that you guys just haven't had a chance yet to investigate that you want to?
31:01Yeah.
31:01I love Traverse City State Hospital up in Traverse City.
31:06So now it's the Traverse City Commons.
31:07They lead, like, twilight tours and they kind of do things that allude to the possibility of it being haunted.
31:13But I think they don't want to label it as haunted.
31:15So I think that's kind of why they don't really embrace, like, actual, like, investigations there.
31:19But, I mean, I would love to go and investigate that place.
31:22And anybody who's up in the Traverse City area should check it out anyway because there's a couple restaurants in there now.
31:28And there's, like, shops and people live there.
31:31They actually have – I think they've got condos there.
31:33So it's just a really cool example of how a historic place can be saved and repurposed.
31:41And they did it all in a way that actually, like, you know, you can look at it and tell what it was at one time.
31:45But it's been repurposed in a really good way.
31:47So I just – I love that location.
31:49I'd love to one day investigate it.
31:50Greenfield Village is another one for me.
31:52So you haven't done that yet, huh?
31:53No, I'm actually still working.
31:55I have a close friend that I went to grade school with that is high up there.
31:59And she's – but I think, you know, the stigmatism with what we do with some of the older people, they think we're going to bring demons.
32:06And, you know, they say this is a family environment.
32:07But, you know, they do the Halloween thing.
32:09Right.
32:10And they have kind of weird stuff going on then.
32:12And, you know, we're not any different.
32:14You know what I mean?
32:14And we've known people that have worked there over the years.
32:17And, you know, they say it's haunted.
32:19And this building's haunted.
32:20We just talked to a lady the other day that worked there for 20 years.
32:22And she told us the Wright Brothers' house is haunted.
32:24She had experience in there.
32:26And that came from Ohio.
32:28Yeah.
32:28And Thomas Edison's house is in there.
32:31And then that one 1700 farm that's creepy way in the back, back corner.
32:35It's that cabin type thing.
32:37I forget what the name of the specific house is.
32:40But, yeah, it's like the 1700s house.
32:41But a friend of ours actually used to do security there.
32:45And I don't remember how many years ago this was.
32:46But he was telling me that there were times that it was, like, him and one other guy who, like, had the key.
32:51And he'd, like, go lock everything up.
32:53And then, like, in the morning come back to, like, open everything.
32:55And he said on more than one occasion he, like, opened the door.
32:59And, like, all of the furniture had been pulled to, like, the center of the room for absolutely no reason.
33:03Like, they hadn't had cleaners in there.
33:05He could never figure out why that phenomenon happened.
33:08But it happened more than once to him, I guess.
33:10Oh, wow.
33:10Yeah, I've eaten there at the Eagle Tavern.
33:13That seems like kind of a wild place, too.
33:16It is.
33:16I've been there a few times.
33:17I think we've had a few beers in there, actually.
33:19Yeah.
33:20It's a beautiful.
33:22I'm glad that they have that because it's preserving a lot of history.
33:26But we want them to let us come in there and investigate.
33:28I'm sure there is something going on there.
33:30I mean, I think that more places than not have something if you're looking for it.
33:35Right.
33:35You know what I mean?
33:35And, like, people, I think, in their day-to-day life kind of tune that out or maybe they just don't perceive it at all.
33:44Or they don't want to.
33:45Exactly.
33:46Which is probably tied into it.
33:47But, you know, I think if you tried to find something there, I bet you would.
33:51Yeah.
33:51So this is your guys' time of year, and you guys really are ramping things up.
33:55You have a lot of things going on here.
33:57Yeah.
33:57We're going to be busy in October, as we always are, and we're looking at maybe even adding some other events.
34:02So people should definitely stay tuned.
34:03There's more to come.
34:04And you're primarily just doing stuff right here for now down in southeast Michigan, except for Sandalac County, correct?
34:11Yep.
34:11Yep.
34:12Sandalac's up in the thumb, but otherwise we'll be right here in southeast Michigan mostly.
34:16Yeah.
34:16Anything anybody should check out as far as your socials and that?
34:20Yeah.
34:21If you want to keep up with our events, maybe come out.
34:25DetroitParanormalExpeditions.com slash upnext.
34:28I made a page on our website where I'm posting all of our events that we're going to be participating in.
34:32There's three up there right now.
34:33I'll be adding a couple other ones like the Cemetery Walk and some other stuff coming up later in October.
34:38But yeah, if anybody wants to keep up with our events coming up, that's the best place to do it.
34:43Yeah.
34:43And speaking of that, I want to give Nate a plug real fast because he's got those haunted walks of Monroe on a Saturday night.
34:49So I'm contemplating going down there this weekend.
34:53I think you should.
34:54No, I want to see it.
34:55I heard it's great.
34:56I've not been on one, but I'd like to.
34:58Nate's been doing some really great work in Monroe.
35:01He's a super creative dude.
35:05His museum, he's got an awesome collection of artifacts.
35:07He's adding to it.
35:08And you guys have already investigated that building, right?
35:10We actually filmed an episode there.
35:12Oh, you did?
35:12Okay.
35:13You filmed an episode.
35:14We did.
35:14Yeah.
35:14You want to tell him what happened?
35:15No, I don't want to spill that.
35:17But something did happen there on camera.
35:18Okay.
35:19So that's good.
35:20All right.
35:20Yeah.
35:20That's the whole thing.
35:21I don't want to ask you guys too much because I know you got your show coming out.
35:23Yeah.
35:23Yeah.
35:24Well, we like talking about it.
35:25I just don't want to put that out there yet.
35:26That could be a surprise.
35:28That was pretty profound what happened.
35:29Oh, is that right?
35:30Yeah.
35:30And who was with you there?
35:31Was Brandy?
35:32Is she on the show too?
35:33Or is this you guys?
35:33Just Jeff and I.
35:34Yeah.
35:35Just us.
35:36You know, she'll probably come out with us on some of them.
35:38I wouldn't be surprised if she appears on some of the episodes.
35:41But so far, she's been tired of myself.
35:44Were you guys up at the Michigan Paracon?
35:47Oh, we had that coming up too.
35:49I forgot.
35:50We weren't at the Michigan Paracon.
35:51I know that just happened, I think, at the end of August.
35:53Yeah.
35:54There's one coming up in the mid-Michigan.
35:56Yeah.
35:57In November, I was at 4th and 5th, I believe.
35:594th and 5th.
35:59Sorry, you'll casino.
36:00Okay.
36:00It's a lot of fun.
36:01We're excited for that one.
36:02Yeah.
36:03Yeah.
36:03You heading up there?
36:04Yeah.
36:04We'll be speaking at it.
36:05We spoke last year.
36:05Jeff is the actual karaoke king.
36:07He won karaoke championship last year.
36:09I'm about that.
36:09He'll probably try to get his title back this year.
36:10Maybe bringing the spirit of Rick James back, right?
36:13Is that...
36:14Yeah.
36:14Everybody should bring their earmuffs.
36:17No, it's a fun time.
36:19We had a blast last year.
36:21It's right in the casino.
36:22Yeah.
36:23Yeah.
36:23I've been up there a few times.
36:24I like that place.
36:25Not too far.
36:26Not too close.
36:27Yeah.
36:27Kind of get out.
36:28Perfect.
36:28Up there near Midland.
36:30But yeah, that's really cool.
36:31So you experience a lot of people up there.
36:35Let me back up.
36:36You experience a lot of characters up there, probably, don't you?
36:38Oh, yeah.
36:39Absolutely.
36:40Yeah.
36:40It's, you know...
36:42But you know what?
36:43Here's the thing.
36:43Everybody who's into this kind of stuff is a weirdo.
36:46We're weirdos.
36:47So you get a whole bunch of weirdos together.
36:48But I think that's an honorary term.
36:51So, you know, being weird is good.
36:51What we've learned is there is some...
36:53We've had doctors.
36:54We've had lawyers.
36:54We had Larry Murphy come out with us.
36:56Oh, Murph, yeah.
36:56Yeah, Larry Murphy.
36:57The Whitney a few years ago.
36:58So his wife's really into the paranormal.
37:00So it's surprising who is and who isn't.
37:03You would think would be into the paranormal.
37:05It's not.
37:05It's just...
37:06Bridget Marquard from The Girls Next Door.
37:08And Josh Mallerman, who wrote Bird Box.
37:12Yeah, he's from here in Ferndale, yeah.
37:13Yeah, he went to Eloise with us.
37:15Oh, did he really?
37:15Yeah.
37:15A few times, I think.
37:16All right.
37:17Yeah.
37:17Yeah, I mean, you just mentioned it.
37:19You had any other celebrity guests?
37:21You said Murph and that.
37:22Yeah, I'm sure there are.
37:24Who am I missing them?
37:25Oh, we've had a few.
37:27Those are the ones that come to mind.
37:28But I think that we have had other folks out with us, too.
37:29You mentioned the Whitney.
37:32You guys have done that.
37:33Now, that obviously comes up a lot.
37:35People talk about that place.
37:36It's legit.
37:37All the time.
37:37Some of the best audio we ever captured, we captured there.
37:40Really?
37:40Yeah.
37:41It's on our website.
37:41I'm almost positive.
37:42It's definitely on our SoundCloud.
37:44But yeah, we got a disembodied voice.
37:47So an EVP, you know, an electronic voice phenomenon,
37:50that's something you can't hear in the moment.
37:52But when you play back audio, you can hear it.
37:54So this would be a disembodied voice or an AVP,
37:56an audible voice phenomenon,
37:57because Todd, Brandy, and Lauren heard this in the moment.
37:59And then also captured an audio.
38:01Wow.
38:01But it was in the carriage house right behind the Whitney.
38:04And we had just got there.
38:06We just started.
38:06I actually walked over to a different room.
38:08And this woman started humming a song.
38:11And it lasted like six seconds.
38:13You know, it's like a long, pretty sustained thing.
38:16And they all react to it.
38:17Like, did you hear that?
38:17You know?
38:18And the raw audio is so creepy,
38:22because it just trails off.
38:25It just gets fainter and fainter and fainter.
38:27And then until it just is totally gone.
38:28And it just sounds hollow is the only way that I can describe it.
38:32It's just very, very eerie audio.
38:34But it's some of the best audio we've ever captured.
38:37Yeah.
38:37And you probably talked to other paranormal groups about that place, correct?
38:40I mean, is it kind of like a consensus that that's one of the places?
38:43It's got quite the reputation.
38:45I think, you know.
38:45And with the owners, they embrace it.
38:48They promote it.
38:48You know what I mean?
38:49And I think that's a lot of their business,
38:51because we see people all the time.
38:51We're going to Whitney.
38:52It's haunted.
38:53The Ghost Bar, obviously, and stuff like that.
38:54But they do make a great chocolate martini, I'm not going to lie.
38:58But it has that feel to it.
39:00It has that look to it.
39:02And, you know, you see a lot of businesses do promote their places being hunted.
39:05Actually do well.
39:06People are really interested in the paranormal stuff.
39:08Boneheads is another one.
39:09I was just, you read my mind.
39:11I was just going to say, I was just there on my Harley a couple weeks ago.
39:13We love that place.
39:14Yeah, we love Boneheads, too.
39:15You know, going back to your question about places we'd like to investigate,
39:19but haven't, that would definitely be one.
39:20We'd love to do Boneheads.
39:22Yeah, so you just haven't had a chance.
39:23I mean, they would welcome you in there for sure, right?
39:25You know, I don't know.
39:26Did we reach out to them previously?
39:27Yeah, we talked to them.
39:30It's just trying to figure out when they're open and close, you know,
39:33because they still have to run the business and all that stuff.
39:34Well, I want to get you guys to South Line one day, which we were talking about.
39:37Yeah.
39:38Oh, yeah.
39:39And that's a whole other thing.
39:41You know, the South Line Hotel, it was always considered this creepy thing, right?
39:46But now it's like it's a new building.
39:48So it's like it could be completely changed, right?
39:51I mean, it could be or it might not be.
39:53Right.
39:53I mean, you know, think about, you know, going back to Eloise.
39:57Like, you know, the one building is there that everybody calls Eloise.
40:01But I mean, for basically from really there all the way over to Merriman
40:06was a whole bunch of buildings.
40:08Right.
40:08Bigger than D Building.
40:09Some of them three, four times that size.
40:11And they all got leveled and they built a strip mall there.
40:14Well, I've heard stories about activity happening in that Kroger.
40:16Oh, is that right?
40:17When we were there, employees like prices going up or what?
40:21Yeah.
40:22Terrifying.
40:22Yeah, yeah.
40:24Terrifying.
40:25Yeah.
40:26But the employees are still there.
40:29I know a girl or dad was a contractor, the builder of Kroger.
40:32And they tried to knock the tunnels down.
40:34They just built over them.
40:35Wow.
40:35We're still under Kroger in that little strip mall area.
40:37And some of the girls I talked to, I talked to a group last year.
40:40And they live like in a trailer park behind.
40:43And they said they've seen some really crazy stuff happening out there.
40:45Probably.
40:46I mean, it's such a big property.
40:47Yeah.
40:48And they actually called them inmates, the patients.
40:52Yeah.
40:52A lot of times we're escaping.
40:53Yeah.
40:54And just a lot happened in that area.
40:57Well, I'll tell you what, looking forward to the show here.
40:59PBS, that's Echoes from Our Past.
41:02And you're saying that debuts in March.
41:04That's what we're aiming for.
41:05Yeah.
41:05Spring of 2024.
41:07And how many episodes are we talking about here?
41:09Eight to ten right now.
41:10Eight to ten?
41:11First season, yeah.
41:12All right, cool.
41:12Well, thank you guys so much for coming in and being part of this for a second year in a row.
41:17Of course, we became friends last year over this whole thing.
41:19And now we've got to go to some cocktails, I suppose.
41:21Right?
41:21Is that how this works?
41:22Chocolate martini at the Whitney.
41:23Well, I'm not going to go chocolate martini.
41:25That's Todd.
41:25That's Todd's style.
41:27I don't know.
41:28It just tastes good.
41:29I don't know.
41:30Well, great to see you guys.
41:31Thank you so much for coming in.
41:32And we'll send everybody towards your site.
41:34The Stearns House in downtown on Friday the 13th.
41:38Hmm.
41:38We may have to take a trek down there and check this.
41:40Hurry up.
41:4116,000 square feet.
41:42It's like, how does somebody live in a place that small?
41:44Yeah, exactly.
41:46Exactly.
41:46It's got a ballroom in it.
41:48Does it really?
41:48The ballroom, yeah.
41:49They used to have flabish parties with Henry Ford and his wife.
41:52I don't know.
41:52She was telling us all the people that stayed there.
41:54He used to hang out with him being a huge player in the city.
41:57He'd hang out with all the big names.
41:58Yeah.
41:58So, you know, the Vernors.
41:59I think James Vernard would hang out there.
42:02Carhartt.
42:02I think Carhartt would hang out with him.
42:05So, I mean, you know, places like that, those guys all knew each other.
42:07Yeah, they got a lot of history.
42:08So, well, thank you guys.
42:10We'll send everybody towards your website.
42:11And thanks so much for taking part for year number two.
42:14Thanks for having us.
42:15Happy Halloween.
42:18Happy Halloween.