WRIF Virtual Rock Room with Papa Roach's Jacoby Shaddix
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00:00Thank you so much for watching Riff TV. Now this interview is obviously with video, but I don't
00:05interview everybody on Zoom. That's why I put it on my Talkin' Rock with Meltdown podcast. We talk
00:10to rock artists from all over the genre. So check out Talkin' Rock with Meltdown wherever you get
00:15your podcasts. And now to today's video interview. Ah, there he is, Jacoby. How are you, my friend?
00:24Doing good, man. Just chilling at home for a couple days. Just got back from Australia,
00:28actually. Oh, we did a tour over there with our friends in the used. Yeah. Just come,
00:34just come back. And I mean, first day I got back, dude, my head felt like it was still spinning in a,
00:40in a dryer. It was just like, it takes me a couple of days to like get to it. So I'm here on my third
00:46day and I'm like, okay, I almost slept through a night. I'm up at four in the morning, ready to go.
00:51Is it one of those things like where you come home and your, your, your, your wife and your kids just
00:55expect you right away to snap back into normal? Oh, absolutely, man. I remember coming home,
01:00dude. I come home off tour back in the day when my got, when my oldest son, he was like a little
01:04guy. And I remember I'd walk through the door and I'd be like, this is back when I was partying too.
01:09And I just come back and it's like, just a hot mess, right? Just hung over, just a wreck. And my
01:14wife would just be like, hand my son straight to me. And I'm like, all right, let's go, bubba. I know
01:19what it is. I just got to crack a beer for this one. Yeah. I was looking at your pictures from
01:26Australia just a few minutes ago. And it's pretty cool to think, I mean, you've been in this business
01:30for, you know, a little bit more than two decades now as a touring professional musician. And you've
01:36had a chance through your music and through your career to travel and see the world places that
01:41you've gone at. Some people probably never get a chance to go to. Oh man, I'm telling you, dude,
01:46that's, that's part of this gig that I'm so thankful for is just the adventure part of
01:52it. And sometimes, you know, we roll up in a city and it's like, I'm in the bus, I go
01:56to the venue and then I go back to the bus and I go to the next city. And then sometimes
02:01I got a couple of days off and I'll be able to spread out and just trip around a city and
02:04kind of fall into what the groove is there. And, you know, maybe get a tattoo or go get some
02:09good food or do some just, you know, discovering. I, uh, I went and I had to go get the
02:14obligatory, like, you know, uh, Sydney opera house photo, you know, in front of the big
02:20old crazy, you know, I had to write, but it's, it's great, man. I really enjoy that part of
02:25it. Yeah. You know, um, uh, Brad Arnold from three doors down, who I'm sure, you know, told
02:29me a year ago, and I'm not speaking out of school cause he told me this actually on the
02:33air, but he said that a lot of the reason he was drinking and, and whatever it was because
02:37he would roll into a city and really had nothing to do. And now he tries to fill his time up
02:40with stuff to do when he goes to a city. Are you kind of the same?
02:42Absolutely, man. It was back in the day. It was just like roll up in town and burn it
02:47down, you know, this rage and that, you know, that you wear yourself out like that after
02:51a while. So same deal, right. Where it's like, now it's like, I call it my reconnaissance
02:55mission. When I get in, into a city, it's like, I like to go for, to run. I like to,
03:00that's part of my exercise for my cardio. And so I'll just roll out, put my runner shoes
03:04on and go for like a little three mile banger and just kind of look around like, all right,
03:07that's the tattoo shop or that's the coffee shop. Oh, that looks like a cool little
03:12part. I'll pause out here, dude, you know, check it out. Just soak it in, sit on any
03:16tree, do some hippie shit, you know, and, and then bugger off, you know? So yeah, man,
03:21it's, it's a, it's a big part of keeping my head straight is keeping myself busy, you
03:26know, with some, with healthy stuff, man. Plus it's like, I miss so much back in the
03:31day that now it's like, I go to Paris and I'm like, Oh, there's a whole nother side of
03:34Paris that I never knew, you know? So it's bad-ass.
03:37That's even cool that you can just say that. I've never been to Paris before, but do you
03:41think that it's like, um, for, for a rock musician, uh, almost kind of like a rite of
03:45passage to really just, you know, just beat yourself up in the beginning of your career.
03:49And then all of a sudden discover that, you know, Mel, maybe I shouldn't be doing this
03:53all the time.
03:54You know, a lot of the guys that have made careers out of this, out of this thing have
03:58had to do that. You know, I've seen like guys like Steven Tyler, you know, uh, fellas
04:04and Motley Crue, you know, those, those bands, those quintessential bands that I grew up loving
04:08and, you know, like to have some longevity, they had to like straighten it up, you know?
04:13And I think growing up watching some of those documentaries, I was like, ah, whatever.
04:18That's just, they quit. And then I came to that point where I was like, Oh, it's the part
04:22of the documentary where I fucking get rock bottom. You know what I mean? Like it's, it just,
04:27you know? And so I think for me, it's just like, obviously for a personal health choice
04:33and that stuff and to keep my family tight, like that matters, man, you know? So, uh,
04:38they want somebody that's present and got their shit together. And it's like, especially doing
04:42what I do singing. It's like your body. It's the, it's the instrument, you know, I gotta,
04:47I gotta take care of this thing.
04:49Yeah. And you are so energetic on stage. You know, Brad was also telling me, uh, that he,
04:53that Charlie Daniels was actually a key to his getting sober. Was there anyone that,
04:58that we would have heard of or that, that, that we would know that that helped you?
05:01Well, you know, I got a real good core of sober musicians that I'm really tight with,
05:07you know, and I don't need to run a list of their names, you know what I'm saying? But it's like,
05:12I got, I got a great, and really, I gotta tell you, man, once I plugged in, cause I struggled for a
05:17while, I'd roll out and just fall off the wagon. Cause I just couldn't figure out the dynamic out
05:22there on the road of how to do it. And then once I plugged in with these other sober musicians
05:26and I started hearing, you know, hearing their stories about, yo, like, this is how I did it.
05:32This is how I'm doing it. And that's when it really finally, finally clicked in, you know,
05:36not that I felt like I was like, couldn't relate to normal people, but it was just like in this work
05:41environment, how do you do this? Cause yo, dude, it's like, it could be Tuesday night, but anybody
05:46at the rock show, it's their Friday night. You know what I'm saying? Like we can, we came to give
05:50you a Friday night on a Tuesday y'all. So that's the world, you know, that's the world that we live
05:54in out there. And, uh, people like to turn up and get loose, man. I just, I'm just trying to keep
05:59some longevity out here. You know, it's trying to stay pretty dude, trying to stay like in fighting
06:03shape. You know, that's, that's my shit, dude. Yeah. You're funny. It's funny. You mentioned it
06:06because, uh, their Tuesdays, you know, or your, your Tuesdays, their Friday, then you got to do that
06:10Friday all over again the next night on a Wednesday. And then it's like, it's like a never ending
06:15circle. And so, yeah, you got to find a way to get off that train. Yeah. And then after you've
06:21been out on the road for like, say like about eight weeks, every Friday night, just feels like
06:25Monday. Every day feels like Monday. You're like, God, get me home. You know, you consider yourself
06:32an addictive personality. I know that people like, like, like in your world, of course, you're the,
06:36you're the lead singer and you run all over the stage and you're like, you know, eyes on me and
06:39stuff. Uh, do you consider yourself addictive? Uh, yeah, most definitely. I definitely have that
06:44addictive nature, you know, and it'll move on to other things, whether it's, you know,
06:48I got a bicycle for a while and it was like every city. I just had to like bike, just get around,
06:52go do that whole thing, you know, or like I'm addicted to my wife's vagina, like 25 years.
06:56Seriously. It's like, for real, it's an addict. No, I'm just kidding. Um, yeah, I definitely have
07:03like that addictive nature. And so I got to watch myself, you know, just wherever I just, let's get
07:07some healthy, have addictions, I guess. That's what it is. Yeah. I think last time you were here,
07:12you were telling me about, uh, riding your bicycle actually, uh, when I was, I was interviewing
07:15you live, but, uh, you're going to be playing over in Windsor in the middle of July, which
07:19is a great venue. The, um, the Coliseum at Caesars Windsor, which is really kick-ass, but
07:23then, uh, the, the shinedown show is coming through Detroit and you guys aren't, it's like,
07:26I think maybe the only show you guys aren't on. Is there a reason for that?
07:29I got it. I got a, I got a friend who had texted me. He's like, what dude, no Detroit. I'm like,
07:34man, I wish, but I think there was a couple of dates that they had to see bands. Like I'll book
07:39something like a year and a half out. Right. And it's like, Oh, well that's like in the middle
07:44of a tour. And it's like, that's already a prior commitment. So I think that's probably
07:48this scenario with that. Um, or maybe it's because we're doing this show up in Windsor.
07:53I don't know. It's like radius clauses and whatnot, but you know, I got love for Detroit,
07:57dude. Like, come on, you know, but you just got to make a little trip across the way.
08:03Yeah. I remember when you guys were here with the Ozfest, I think we've talked about this before,
08:05but, uh, uh, we were, we went to a Dave and Buster's with some listeners and whatnot. I know
08:09this is 20 some odd years ago. You might not remember this, but we posed for a picture with
08:13some of the winners and some of the other bands and Zach wild was literally sleeping on the couch
08:18in front of us. It was like three in the afternoon or something. Oh man, that was Ozfest, bro.
08:24That's me and Mike Inez. Like we, we partied, we partied on that tour, man. Zach was a wild one.
08:32I just ran into Zach like a couple of months ago and he's, he seems to be doing great, man.
08:36He's just like a bitch shredded and his bands tight as it's they're great dudes, man. Like
08:42that whole Zach wild crew. Like I got nothing but love for that, man. It was good. You know,
08:46cause you know, he had to be passed out in the middle of the yard for a minute. I mean,
08:50Hey, that's how it goes, dude. Yeah, no. JD's like one of my good buddies. I like him. Cause
08:54I'm only five and he's shorter than I am, which is not, I can't say that for many people in
08:59this business. So feel tall, huh, brother? That's right. Yeah. There you go. You know
09:03what? Here's a hack, bro. You just tuck your shirt in and for some reason it makes you feel
09:07tall. It's weird. I swear to God, I tuck my shirt in. I'm all, am I 60? I'll have to remember that.
09:16Yeah. I'm going outside. Maybe I'll try that hack. I don't think so. Hey, let me ask you something.
09:20So you guys have been around, I mean, since 2000 is kind of when you guys broke 1999, 2000,
09:25but you and Jerry and Tobin have kind of been together the whole time. What, what, what keeps,
09:29what keeps, especially like you three guys, you know, like, like brethren till the end,
09:34man, it's it. That's what it is, dude. I think we just got together when we were in high school and
09:38we knew each other as youth, you know, and that was like, we had these, this common passion. And
09:42then as we've grown into adults and we've, we've allowed each other to evolve in our own right
09:50and still have, still remain like tight as a crew, you know, and, and understand like everybody's
09:58strengths, what their superpower is and what their weakness is. And how do you, how do we implement
10:04that into what we do? Cause I think the only way we see, we could do this is if we keep our
10:11relationship, right. You know, cause it's like, we spend so much time together out on the, on the
10:16road, man. It's like, if it's toxic, I, it would just be hell. Right. And it's, uh, it's, it's hard
10:23to live like that, man. So we just choose to keep on, you know, loving each other. You know, it sounds
10:27kind of fluffy or whatever, but it's like, that's what it is, man. And allow each other to fail too
10:32and fall flat on, on your face. You know, sometimes you gotta let a brother fall and then let him get
10:36back up. Yeah. We were talking a few minutes ago about documentaries. And of course we've seen all the
10:41documentaries about bands breaking up. So you probably looked at those two and said, Oh, that will never
10:44happen to us. And we work though. Right. Yeah, dude, this is the process of the dream, man. The
10:50dream we had when we were 16, where we were like, we want to do this till we're just old men. Like
10:56that was the vision since the beginning. Everybody thought we were crazy. They're like, I'm like our,
11:00our first release that we released was a full length, uh, CD was called old friends from young
11:05years. And that was the goal. We were just like, that was in 96. I think we released that. And it's
11:11like, that's, that was the goal for us to be old, old friends from young years. And here we are still
11:17doing it. You know, it blows me away, man. Still passionate. Yeah. And you know, um, you guys
11:21started out in Sacramento and you, you remain there. Is there a reason why you didn't move
11:25somewhere else or just family or just feel comfortable there or whatever? Yeah. I gotta tell
11:29you, man, it's a, I got my village here. I got, I grew up when I grew up, we moved around all the
11:34time. So I, you know, I didn't have my cousins around. I never, my grandparents were never around.
11:39My family had, I come from a broken home. So it was just a lot of, I was always the new kid
11:44somewhere. And, uh, I, I was, I mean, it, it tempered me a different way. Right. But I felt
11:51like for my kids, I wanted to give them an opportunity where they got their village, you
11:56know? So my folks live up the Hill, my wife's folks live up the Hill. My brother lives 20
12:01minutes away. Uh, her sister lives about 20 minutes away. And so like, say we go to one of the
12:06kids, like the kids, football games or baseball games is we roll deep, dude. It's like the
12:11whole crew shows up and we support each other. And that's, that's something that I totally
12:17value. Cause when I'm gone on the road, it's like, I got my village. Yeah. And that to me
12:22is like, it's awesome. It's, it makes me, gives me a sense of security when I'm gone, you
12:28know, for my people. Yeah. So we got the villages up here in sack town, baby.
12:33That's right. Sack town. You know, it's, it's funny. Cause like in my business, right,
12:36my goal when my kids were born was to have them start and finish school in the same school
12:40district. And for a lot of people that may not even be a thought process. They just do
12:44it. But in my life, I don't know what I'm going to, what's going to happen, but here
12:47I am, you know, 27 years later in Detroit. And it's like, my kids got a chance to do that.
12:53You know what I'm saying? And this business man for doing what you're doing, you, I mean,
12:58I met some of y'all man, where it's, he's at a new spot. I'm like, hold on. I thought
13:02you were in Florida. And now what are you doing? He's like, yeah, man, captain, save
13:06a radio station here. I had to, I had to fix this one up, you know? And so, but he
13:10didn't have no kids, but yeah, it's a, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty rad to be able to
13:15like have that goal and then come through with it. You know what I mean?
13:18Yeah, no doubt. And then you post a lot of stuff about your, your kids and that on a, now
13:22you got two or three boys.
13:23I got three boys. Yeah. 21, 18 and nine.
13:27Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kids are great, man. I'll tell you what, I saw your kid with the cross
13:30and the football and all that stuff. And your youngest one with the, uh, the elf on the
13:34shelf stuff. My wife here, they sent a text to me and my kids. Like, where is my, my snoop
13:40on the stoop? She couldn't, like, what are you talking about? Yeah, right. Exactly.
13:45Yeah. That snoop on the stoop is great, dude. I've, I've seen that one. They got the mensch
13:50on the bench. That was a good one too, dude. It's like, there's some solid ones, man.
13:54Yeah. It's fun to like, uh, like, you know, like I obviously have a cool job. Obviously
13:58you have a cool job, but it's fun to sometimes to be the rock dad, isn't it? When other, when
14:02other out there doing like their nine to five or their normal stuff and we get to like do
14:06this kind of stuff.
14:07Yeah, it is, man. It's, it's an interesting life and my kids, my kids love it. My kids think
14:14it's awesome. You know, they miss me when I'm gone, but it's like they, they, they admire
14:18the fact and respect the fact that I was bold enough to chase a wild ass dream, you know,
14:24and, and they love the music and they're, my older boys are real with me. They're like,
14:28dad, I got to tell you, man, I like it when you do the heavier stuff, dad, do more of the
14:33heavier stuff. They're always telling me, make it heavier, dad. I'm like, well, you know,
14:37I mean, dad, so I'm trying to explore the territory, son.
14:41It's like a roller coaster ride, right?
14:43I'll make it heavier, son. Here we go.
14:44So, so when, when you played, when you played on stage with your son, if a couple of months
14:49ago, dad, like dad, like viral, didn't it? That was crazy.
14:52That was a little viral moment for sure, dude. And, and what just beyond that, like just a
14:56rad dad moment. I was like, he hit me up before the tour. He's like, what do you think? I'm
15:01like, come up on stage and wrap one with you. And I'm like, all right, spit it. Like, what
15:07do you got? Which one? And he started spitting it at me and I'm like, all right, a little more
15:11rehearsal, dude. Just give me a little more rehearsal and then we'll see where we're at.
15:15He came out on tour and he was, you know, in the dressing room throwing it down. I'm
15:18like, of course you could. Yes, you got this dude. Like, let's go. And it's funny, man,
15:23because he, he's been sharpening his craft on his own in his bedroom for the last like
15:28four years as a, as a writer, as a, essentially as a rapper, he plays drums all the time.
15:35Um, loves that loves playing rock and metal drums, but loves rapping. And so came up on
15:40stage and just threw it down. Like he threw down. I was, it was, it was rad. It was fun
15:46to see. Yeah. I, uh, my son about, I don't know, 10 years ago. Somebody says, Hey, if
15:50I score a hat trick in hockey, will you put me on your podcast? I'm like, yeah, sure.
15:54Go ahead. And, uh, he scores game. Any first thing he said to me was, you know, it's like
16:02you got, you do that stuff for your kids, man. Absolutely, man. That's what's up,
16:05dude. That hockey is a savage sport, bro. That is, that is man. That creates a savage
16:11young man. I will tell you that dude. But you know, just, just putting your kids in
16:15sports. So it's like a great thing. And it's like, I don't know about you, but I
16:18never led my kids. Um, as far as music is concerned, I let them kind of discover
16:22what they wanted to and what they liked. Oh yeah. That's, that's been the process for
16:26my kid. There were some years where it was just like, I'm like, Oh God, what are they
16:29listening to? This is killing me. But you know, it's, and they only listen to like 30
16:36seconds of the song before they move on to the next one. I'm like, no, you are fired as
16:39the DJ. You cannot take over my sound system in the truck. If you listen to a full song,
16:44we can. You know what I'm saying? I know exactly what you're saying. I got a 21 and a 20 year
16:50old. Yeah, exactly. Oh yeah. Kids these days. Yeah. The kids. Yeah. Now we're starting
16:54to sound like a couple old men, but all right. Go fast before we let you go. What's going
16:58on with the band? We haven't really talked about the band. I mean, obviously the tours
17:02and stuff like that. Anything else that you can relate to us? Yeah, man. So, uh, we are
17:07back in America. We're about to do this room with our boys and shine down, which can be
17:11sick. And, uh, we're, we're about to bugger off over to, uh, to Europe here in June and
17:18have a smashing summer in Europe. That is going to be like, we're bringing the pyro and like,
17:23it's, we're going big on this one, man. It's going to be a smasher of a tour. And then,
17:28uh, we're working on some music, uh, some new music at the end of this month, I'm rolling
17:31up in the studio and cutting a few vocals for a few new songs and, uh, kind of, I guess,
17:36discovering where the music is going. And, uh, I'm really excited about that. And so probably
17:42looking, you know, maybe 20 late, late 24 for new music. Um, we'll kind of give it a break
17:50for a minute, you know, but we're just going to, you know, a little victory lap, but the boys
17:53in shine down and go sell out a bunch of arenas, man, it's going to be sick. And, uh, I'm super
18:00stoked about that, you know, and, uh, we just released a deluxe version of our vinyl and
18:05it's got some, it's got, this is the one that I'm honestly like most proud of, uh, just
18:10with the extra tracks that are on there. We got a guest vocal from Caleb from Beartooth
18:14on this track, cut the line. We got, um, our friends in Hollywood dead with this dope remix
18:20of swerve. Um, then we have a, this like mega ill dope DJ. One of my favorites, this guy
18:27bloody beat roots. He does a remix of standup. Then we also have a marching band version of
18:33standup that's on there. That's like, it's a very, it's a deep bonus version. Plus there's
18:40another track called spotlight, which is a fricking ripper should have been on the record, but
18:44uh, you know, we saved it for the bonus. And so, yeah, there you go. Yeah.
18:49Marching bands and stuff that when you guys brought the marching band on stage at rock
18:52on the range, that was like, that's a moment I'll never forget.
18:56Absolutely, man. We just, we just did it again up here in a Sacramento for aftershock
19:00festival. We brought up the UC Davis Aggies marching band and they were dope, man. It was
19:05cool. And so it's definitely something we love partnering with the, with the, the music
19:10departments. I really prefer the high school level just cause it's like,
19:14it's such a bright spot for them. Like a college thing. They're kind of like, Oh yeah, it's cool.
19:18Whatever. We've been there, done that. You know, I mean, not that they've been there and done that,
19:22but I just feel like the high school level is a bit more impressionable, you know?
19:26Yeah. I don't know.
19:27You just talked about new music and not to get back to that for one second.
19:33Yeah.
19:33Do you have stuff like demoed out? Do you have stuff that, you know, tell, tell me where you're at.
19:37Oh yeah, man. So we got Tobin and Jerry and Tuan and Tony, they just been putting together music
19:44over the last like year, you know, cause we finished ego trip quite a while ago. And so
19:47there's been time to be creative and they, I got a stockpile of, I'd say probably like eight to 10
19:52songs to choose from. And we picked two of them for me to go into the studio and cut vocals on them
19:58that we just felt were the most inspiring that felt like there would, you know, sonically felt
20:04the right direction for the next song. And, you know, we run our own record company as well.
20:11And so we just had a great run on this album. Ego trip got three number ones at rock radio,
20:16like our maiden voyage as a record company for Papa Roach. And so that's really exciting for us
20:22as well. So we're looking at, you know, potentially, um, well at, at one point or another, we're going
20:29to sign a band, you know, that's going to be something that we do. Um, but I think for us
20:33right now, we're going to focus on Papa Roach, another cycle and build the infrastructure. And
20:38then it's like, all right, here we go. We've test, we've tested, tested this thing out with our band
20:42for a while. We're ready to bring an artist in. And so, you know, what's the next phase? It's exciting.
20:49That's what's, that's what we're finding out. No, that's great, man. That's awesome. Yeah. I
20:53don't know. Um, as we closed out here, I don't know if I'm going to see you next at a show in
20:57Windsor or perhaps under retaliators. I haven't seen that yet. And it's kind of annoying. I think
21:02it's only on shutter. I haven't been able to watch it. If you see, you've seen it, obviously, right?
21:05Yeah. Yeah. That film came out great, man. I had a really great time being part of that and
21:10push me out the comfort zone, you know, got me into something that I am not, you know, I can't,
21:16I'm used to being in front of a camera, uh, but not, I just, it was a different experience
21:22singing a song in front of a camera is different than doing some acting and, uh, I had a great
21:27time doing it, you know? So I think maybe, maybe at some point in the future, I'll get
21:31some more lessons and try to dive into it a little bit, but I'm just so focused on like
21:35straight up the band and the fam, you know what I mean? I mean, you've heard it in the conversation
21:42we've had, it's like, where do I have all this extra time? It's like, I think that's,
21:47uh, once I get these kids out on their own and they're fully self-supporting, you know,
21:51it's like, there's going to be a animal that gets turned loose out of me, dude. Like I'm
21:56going to have some extra time to be more creative too. So I'm excited about that. You know, what
22:01my son said.
22:02True. But one day, like I've already experienced, you'll go to your kid's last game.
22:06Oh, bro. I had the conversation with my boy Jagger. He was like, it finally hit me. I
22:15was like, what? He's like, I played my last high school football game. I'm all, that shit
22:21happened like six months ago or five months ago. How did it just hit you? And it just,
22:25you know, it just, he had that moment, you know, that, Oh, that was, that was it. But
22:31I gotta tell you, you know what the sickest part of his last time he played in a high school
22:36football game. The last time he touched the ball, he had a touchdown.
22:40Oh, is that right? Nice. I was like, that's a, that's a cool story for you to tell us as
22:46a man that you grew, as you grow up, I'm going to tell it to some of my friends that that's
22:50okay.
22:51Yeah. My son scored his last goal and hockey and their last game. They lost a three to one.
22:58He's, he opened the scoring halfway through the second period of the goal, but the last goal
23:02he scored in the regular season game, I actually went to the referee after the game and
23:06I said, can I have that puck? Cause I, it cost me around $30,000.
23:10Hey man, you know, you're investing your kids, man. That's how we change the world though.
23:16Honestly, everybody's talking about changing the world. You just raise some awesome children.
23:21That's right.
23:22That's what's up.
23:24Well, I'll tell you what, go enjoy your date night. Thanks so much for the time. Thank you
23:27for not saying you had, uh, you didn't have anything more important to do.
23:32No, man. I appreciate you taking the time, man. And you know, we got love for the rip up there
23:35for real, man. Absolutely, dude. It's a, we've been coming there for, you know, up into your
23:40town for years and, uh, we appreciate you guys supporting and we love your city, man. And
23:44we've seen it grow, man, and develop and evolve dude over the last 20 years. Yeah. It's coming
23:49up, baby.
23:51Well, Jacoby, thanks so much for your time, man. I really appreciate it.
23:54Absolutely, brother. You take care of them all down.
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