WRIF Virtual Rock Room with Staind's Mike Mushok
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00:00Thank you so much for watching Riff TV.
00:02Now, this interview is obviously with video, but I don't interview everybody on Zoom.
00:07That's why I put it on my Talkin' Rock with Meltdown podcast.
00:10We talk to rock artists from all over the genre.
00:13So check out Talkin' Rock with Meltdown wherever you get your podcasts.
00:16And now, to today's video interview.
00:20All right, there he is from the confines.
00:23You're in Massachusetts?
00:24Connecticut.
00:25Oh, Connecticut.
00:26Okay, there you go.
00:26I moved to Connecticut in 2002.
00:30Yeah.
00:30We were just talking before we started that I've been here since 1995.
00:33I actually have a picture, and it's this old picture.
00:36I think it might have been the first time that Stained ever came to the studio,
00:39and I was going to bring it with me since we're on Zoom, but you weren't there.
00:42Oh, I wasn't?
00:43No, it was the record guy.
00:46It was Aaron, the original drummer.
00:48And I was going to bring it and go, hey, look at this.
00:51Wah, wah, wah.
00:52You're not even in the picture.
00:55They left the cool guys at home.
00:58That's right.
01:00So somewhere along the line, they signed it.
01:01And, of course, you guys are coming through town here with Godsmack this year.
01:05And I was thinking about this.
01:06I mean, you guys kind of came up through the ranks together, didn't you?
01:09Yeah.
01:10I mean, listen, it was – they were blowing up on a station out of Boston, WAF.
01:16And it was – I remember, I keep saying this, it was we did the Warped Tour in 98 with them on the local stage in Northampton, Mass.
01:27And it was right before we left to go record Dysfunction.
01:29I think it was the last gig we played before we left to go record the record.
01:32And, you know, we'd played a couple of gigs with them, you know, after that.
01:38And then we ended up going on tour with them right after – right before Break the Cycle came out.
01:44And we did – we played the Millennium, like, welcome into the, you know, 2000 with them, like a New Year's gig.
01:51Oh, was that Boston?
01:53Yeah.
01:53Yeah.
01:54Yeah.
01:55And, yeah, I love those guys and really looking forward to, you know, being out on the road with them.
02:01I mean, they're just – yeah, they've done such a great job and, you know, stoked to be playing with them.
02:07Yeah, the Millennium show here in Detroit was Metallica, Ted Nugent, Seven Dust, and Kid Rock.
02:12And I think you told me once before that you played – you guys played with Kid Rock on that Warped Tour you're talking about, isn't it?
02:17Isn't that right?
02:18We did our – Stain's first tour ever, like, national tour, was opening for Kid Rock.
02:26Oh, okay.
02:27Yeah.
02:28So – and the first show was at – is it the State Theater in Detroit?
02:33Yeah.
02:34Yeah, the Fillmore now, yeah.
02:35That was our first show ever.
02:39Our first national tour was there, opening for Kid Rock.
02:42No kidding.
02:43Wow.
02:43Yeah.
02:44Yeah.
02:44I think all these years later, now you've got a new record coming out and all this stuff.
02:48I think we're getting old.
02:49Hey, just the fact that we got this connection together is like, you know, that we got it hooked up.
02:53It's a minor miracle.
02:54Wait a second.
02:55You think we're getting old?
02:56What do you mean you think?
02:58I'm there.
03:00Yeah, me too.
03:01I think when I met you guys for the first time, no kids, no house, no wife, and here we are.
03:05So –
03:06And here we are.
03:08A lot more aches and pains, too, I got to tell you.
03:10Yeah.
03:10I was on the ice this morning.
03:12I feel pretty good.
03:12I have to –
03:13Oh, nice.
03:13Good for you.
03:14Yeah, I get on the ice a couple times a week.
03:16Yeah, three times a week.
03:17Now I play with my son who's 20 years old.
03:18And, yeah, like I said, I didn't have any kids when I first met you guys.
03:21But, hey, so that's August 9th right here at Pine Up.
03:24But the new record, let's talk about that, Confessions of the Fallen.
03:27First of all, tell me about that title.
03:28Is there a song or something that goes along with that?
03:31I don't even – it's just so funny.
03:36People are asking me, they're like, what names of others?
03:40I still know the working title.
03:42So, like, when I come up with a riff, I give it, like, some random –
03:46Right.
03:46You know what I mean?
03:46Some – just so I can kind of identify what it is.
03:49Yeah.
03:49And it wasn't only until recently that the songs got names.
03:52Like, Lowest in Me was called Low Harm.
03:55So, I don't even – you know what I mean?
03:57So, maybe?
03:58So, is that like Aaron's job?
04:03It is, for sure.
04:04Yeah.
04:04Listen, he writes – he does such a great job with the lyrics and, you know, coming up with that.
04:09And what he sings about is so personal to him that it's like – you know what I mean?
04:14So, and there was a few – there was a few album titles kicking around.
04:18And they'll say, oh, what do you – you know what I mean?
04:19Well, what do you like?
04:20What's – you know what I mean?
04:21So, we'll – there'll be a little bit of that.
04:22But, you know, a few options to choose from.
04:24But, yeah, it definitely is.
04:26I mean, he's so good at that.
04:28You know what I mean?
04:29Yeah.
04:30Yeah.
04:30He's – do you guys sit in the same room and write together?
04:33Or do you bring riffs to him and he puts words to it?
04:35Or how does it work?
04:35Yeah.
04:36A lot of bringing riffs and he puts words to it.
04:38I mean, so, a lot of this record was put together on the Korn tour that we did in 2021.
04:47I had a bunch of songs, but it was really on that tour that I was able to put – demoed
04:54a lot of those songs and put them together and was able to get in a room with Aaron and
04:57play him some of them and, you know, kind of talk through what he thought, what was cool,
05:03what he didn't like, what should change, directions.
05:05You know what I mean?
05:06So, it was really with a lot of that guidance that I was able to kind of go back and kind
05:11of put together what, you know, musically what the record was going to be.
05:15Now, this riff, if I'm not mistaken, from the latest song, The Lowest of Me, that song
05:20was created in – I think I read somewhere in 2019.
05:23Is that right?
05:23I want to say – I think I wrote that on the Korn tour, actually.
05:27Oh, that one, too?
05:28Okay.
05:28I believe so, yeah.
05:30So, listen, what I would do – you know, listen, you say you have kids.
05:34I do, too.
05:34You know, when I'm home, there's all these things that you're constantly, you know,
05:38always doing.
05:39So, when I'm on the road, for me, it's a great time.
05:42I'd get up in the morning, set up my little Pro Tools thing, and just play all day.
05:46You know what I mean?
05:47Yeah, yeah.
05:47And a lot of the – you know, I think that was one of the songs that kind of came out
05:52and riffs that came out, you know, during that tour.
05:55You know, when you're – I'm not a musician.
05:57I don't know.
05:57When you're playing these riffs like this, what determines, like, what you keep?
06:02Like, is it something that maybe strikes you in a weird way?
06:05Yeah, yeah, sometimes.
06:07You know what I mean?
06:07It'll just be something that kind of catches you.
06:09And, like – and what I'll do is, like, if I'm kind of playing around with something
06:14that I like, you know, I'll just – I used to do it on a cassette player, you know,
06:20I used to carry around.
06:21Now I have just a little Pro Tools thing on my laptop, you know.
06:24And, yeah, I'll just have, like, an ideas folder and just put these things down and,
06:30you know, kind of go back and listen to them.
06:31And, I mean, sometimes it's even – like, I'll just play – like, if I think I'm
06:37on to something, I'll just kind of record it and, like, go back and listen to it.
06:41You might even hear just, like, one, like, 10-second section that, oh,
06:44that part's – you know, and if it's just something that kind of catches your ear
06:47and you think is catchy, you know what I mean?
06:49That's kind of what I ever – that's what I go by.
06:51Yeah, I've talked about this before.
06:52James Hetfield called that in an interview with him.
06:54Yeah, I know.
06:56Watch your toes.
06:57Incoming.
06:58Yeah, yeah.
06:59One time – maybe you'll hear about him someday.
07:01Yeah, maybe.
07:02Only the biggest guy in metal ever.
07:06But, yeah, for sure.
07:07Oh, he called it a rift junkyard.
07:09That's what he called it.
07:10Yeah, sure.
07:10Yeah, that makes sense.
07:11Yeah, you just kind of – you know.
07:12But, and listen, even sometimes from inspiration, you can go back there
07:18and listen to it, and sometimes, you know, it triggers something else.
07:21You know what I mean?
07:22So.
07:23Yeah, so tell me about the flavor of the rest of the record.
07:26I'm sure you've heard it, right?
07:29No, they're keeping it a secret from me.
07:32Now you got me wondering how much you even know about this record,
07:35to be honest with you.
07:36But –
07:37We have a record coming out.
07:39That's right.
07:40Yeah, by the way, I don't even know when it's coming out.
07:41You can tell us that either.
07:45Yeah, listen.
07:48I'm real happy with the way that it turned out.
07:50I think that, you know, with us, there's some records that are, you know,
07:55super diverse.
07:55I think – I mean, the last Stain record, I felt, was much more on the heavier side
07:59and kind of going back to, like, you know, dysfunction.
08:02I think this is kind of probably the next step of that.
08:05I mean, there's still – there's still some diversity to it.
08:10And I think part of that diversity, too, is that, you know, we –
08:13one thing that Aaron wanted to do was kind of, you know,
08:15experiment a little bit more with, you know,
08:18some of the electronic elements that's in music.
08:22And, you know, we did that.
08:23You know, I mean, I don't think it's super apparent on the first single,
08:27but there are a couple of songs where it is, it's much more apparent that,
08:30you know, I mean, that's kind of a part of it.
08:32And I think at first I was a little hesitant, not really sure, you know,
08:37where that would go, how that would work.
08:39Didn't really know how to write a record like that.
08:43But as things progressed and we started, you know, getting into it,
08:46I was real happy with it.
08:48I think it's, you know, I think it's kind of, you know,
08:52staying 2023, modernized a little bit of what we do.
08:56So, yeah, I'm just excited for people to be able to hear the rest of it.
09:00I think I'm real happy with all the songs on it.
09:03Yeah, the new Avenged Sevenfold record,
09:05there's some – even some hints of, like, Daft Punk in some of this stuff,
09:08and it's really bizarre.
09:09But Zachy Vengeance was telling me, he goes, yeah, it's –
09:13but it's still Avenged Sevenfold.
09:14So I guess that's kind of the way you guys look at it as well.
09:17Yeah, I'm not sure we got that far, but yes, yeah.
09:21But yes, absolutely.
09:22I mean, listen, you know, the new song sounds like Stained, right?
09:26Right.
09:27You know, so, yeah.
09:28Yeah, and six, seven ballads on the record probably?
09:32Uh, 12.
09:3312.
09:36The rest of it.
09:37It was funny.
09:38I remember we were doing – we were trying to write the record after Break the Cycle,
09:43which had It's Been a While on it.
09:45And I remember that the label just kept going, oh, it's not done.
09:49You need to write more songs.
09:50You need to write more songs.
09:51And I said, why don't we just record It's Been a While 12 times and send it to them?
09:54Is this what you want?
09:58No, but yeah, listen, there's one kind of like that.
10:03And then there's just one that's, you know, I just think a real kind of like moody.
10:08And I love it.
10:09You know, I mean, I think I'm real happy.
10:11It's a riff that I actually had laying around for a while.
10:14And I'm real happy with the way that one came out.
10:17I mean, it was – I was glad that Aaron wanted to sing on it.
10:19Because sometimes that happens.
10:20There's some – I've had things that I love that I've – and he's like, eh, I'm not feeling it.
10:24I'm like, what do you mean you're not feeling – you'll hear that?
10:27That's good.
10:30He's like, yeah, no, it's not.
10:31I'm like, oh, okay.
10:33Yeah, and then you go your separate ways, right, and you're separate.
10:37Yeah.
10:38Well, I used to get real upset over that.
10:39I tried to stop, you know, getting upset over it.
10:43Yeah, I'm like a one-man gang here.
10:46You guys, you know, you guys have to rely on each other.
10:48And I think about that sometimes.
10:49It's like, just like what you just said.
10:51You wrote this.
10:52You're like, man, this is the best thing I've ever done.
10:54And they're like, yeah, I don't feel it.
10:55You're like, oh.
10:55Yeah, no, it's not very good.
10:57What do you mean?
10:58It is.
10:59It's so subjective, though.
11:01It is.
11:01I know.
11:02It is.
11:03Yeah, no, you're right.
11:04Yeah, and it can be tough.
11:05You know what I mean?
11:05If there's something that, you know – yeah.
11:08But I think we've gotten, yeah, hopefully beyond that, you know.
11:13And the first video came out, of course, like a little bit of an asylum-type feel to it.
11:18Whose idea was that?
11:20Director.
11:21Okay.
11:21Yeah, I think it was something that they came to with, you know.
11:24And, you know, it's the same thing.
11:25It's like we have – you know, they do the grat tracks now.
11:29You know, you put that stuff out and they do the lyric video type of thing that always comes with it.
11:33So I actually was just reading some treatments.
11:35And so, yeah, they kind of come up with, you know, and send us ideas and you read it and you, you know, make comments and suggestions if there's something that you like.
11:43You know what I mean?
11:43So, yeah, that was what that is.
11:46Yeah, and it's kind of weird.
11:46We live in this world now where, like, you've got to put videos out.
11:50When you guys started, you didn't have to.
11:53Yeah, no, we always did videos.
11:55Did you?
11:55Okay.
11:55Actually, back then – I mean, I'm not that old.
11:58I mean, I know I'm old.
12:02No, but even back then, MTV used to – I remember seeing, like, Just Go was our first video.
12:07I remember seeing that on MTV.
12:09And, like, 3 in the morning?
12:11Yeah, it was a Matt Pinfield thing, you know, that 120 minutes, I think.
12:14Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:15Yeah, it might have been 2.
12:16Come on.
12:18Yeah, no doubt.
12:20So the record just comes out in the fall.
12:21That's all you could say.
12:23In September sometime.
12:24I think – I don't know the – I mean, I want to say it's the 13th or something.
12:28And I'm not positive on that.
12:29But it's right around that time.
12:30And it's kind of weird because you're going out on this summer tour without the new music out.
12:34You'll probably – well, you'll drop another song or two, probably?
12:36There's one coming out, I think, right before the tour goes out, like the week before or something.
12:40Okay.
12:41Yeah.
12:42Hey, let me ask you about your time away from Stained.
12:46What did you think of Aaron's solo stuff and the direction he went in?
12:50I mean, listen, that was something that he's wanted to pursue.
12:53And, honestly, I think whatever Aaron does is really good.
12:57Yeah, I think it was really good, too.
12:58Yeah, I loved –
13:00Yeah, he's – I mean, he's great.
13:02I mean, that voice is, I mean, you know, one of my favorites.
13:05So, yeah.
13:06Is there going to be a time on this tour where you guys maybe take a break and he does one of his solo songs or no?
13:11Or is this all Stained?
13:12No, it's going to be all Stained, I think.
13:14Yeah.
13:14Yeah.
13:15And then you went off and did, of course, you know, St. Esonio.
13:17You worked with Jason Neustadt and stuff.
13:20Was there always that thing in the back of your mind that this would be great for Stained or, you know, whatever?
13:24Or do you just kind of close that out?
13:26Yeah, no, I just kind of went with whatever it is at the time.
13:29You know what I mean?
13:30And listen, I'd always hoped we'd, you know, get back.
13:35And I thought that day would come.
13:37We always talked that it was going to come.
13:38I mean, there was just really no plan, you know?
13:42And Aaron was, you know, did great with his – and still – I mean, still doing great with his country stuff.
13:48You know what I mean?
13:48And I'm just thankful that there's room in there for us to be able to do this, you know?
13:53Yeah, I was thinking about this before.
13:55It's like you just said.
13:56It's like, you know, there's always that part where you're like, man, I want us to get back together, but I don't know what's going to happen.
14:00And I've never really been put in that situation because I've had, like, you know, the same job for the last 27 years.
14:05You know what I mean?
14:05So you've been there forever.
14:06Yeah, yeah, totally.
14:08But you know what I'm saying?
14:09And for you, I mean, listen, I mean, I think it's unusual for bands to be together that long and playing.
14:15It's really – it might even be more unusual for one guy on the radio to be at the same place that long.
14:21Yeah, sometimes, yeah.
14:22Sometimes I think maybe I should go somewhere else, but I love it.
14:25No, no, you're doing great, man.
14:27No, no, it's great.
14:28I'm just being facetious.
14:29But, yeah, it's like with the musicians and stuff, I often wonder when things implode or explode or whatever the case happens.
14:36It's like, you know, what are your thoughts?
14:38It's like, oh, no, now what am I going to do?
14:39Or did you always kind of have a plan or you always have connections?
14:42Or how does that work?
14:43No, there was – no, it was – yeah, it was really like, you know, Aaron put out that record.
14:48And he's like, oh, I'm going to, you know, pursue my country career.
14:52And, you know, I can't do Stain if I'm doing country because they're not going to think I'm country.
14:56If I'm still doing Stain, then I'm like, oh, okay, you know.
15:00And, yeah, then it's kind of just trying to figure it out, you know what I mean?
15:03I was fortunate that, you know, Jason came along and I went out and, you know, tried out for him and it went well.
15:12We hit it off and I'll always be super thankful to Jason for, you know, we did about a year or so.
15:19And it was great.
15:21I love Jason.
15:22I mean, like I said, I was – it was very cool and I feel, you know, very honored to be able to, you know, have been a part of that.
15:28And he's actually out doing it again, which is great.
15:30We talked, you know, recently and they're, you know, they're out there with, you know, just did a show recently in Florida.
15:38And then I was kind of working on, you know, writing songs to work with, you know, different singers, you know, kind of do that.
15:45I thought that thing that's slashed in, like I love that idea because it's like there's – you know, I talk about Aaron and Adam being, you know, two of my favorite vocalists.
15:54But there's other guys out there that I've, you know, worked with before.
15:56You know, Sully – actually, the song that I wrote with Sully ended up being a single on the second Santa Sonia record, The Hunted.
16:04You know, Adam heard and he's like, oh, I love that song.
16:06Can we do it?
16:07And I was like – I asked Sully and he's like, yeah, sure.
16:09So, but getting together – I was going to get together and write with a bunch of different singers and kind of, you know, do that thing because I had all these songs laying around.
16:18And that ended up being Santa Sonia because I got together with Adam and we really hit it off and we'd written a couple of songs and he had to deal with Capitol at the time and they heard it and they're like, oh, you know, this should be a band.
16:31So that's how Santa Sonia really came around, you know, and I was super thankful for that, you know, and being able to work with that.
16:38I love Adam.
16:39Those guys are – the band's great.
16:42I think I was at your first show for Santa Sonia, Rockin' the Range.
16:46Was.
16:46You're correct.
16:47Yeah.
16:48I remember that, yeah.
16:49Yeah, me too.
16:50So you had these songs all ready to go and then, you know, you and Adam kind of hit it off and you decided to take it.
16:57Yeah.
16:57Okay.
16:58Yeah, yeah.
16:59And Adam had some great songs of his own that ended up being that, you know, I love that first Santa Sonia record.
17:05That ended up being that first Santa Sonia record, you know.
17:08Yeah.
17:08Yeah, he's such a nice – all those guys from Canada are so nice, but now they're giving us all their smoke.
17:13These damn Canadians, man, wrecking my air.
17:18What's going on with that band right now?
17:19Just kind of on hiatus or just –
17:21No, no, no.
17:22Those guys are playing.
17:23I'm just unable to do it.
17:25I mean, you know what I mean?
17:26There's a song that's out now, Devastate, that's, you know, getting some play.
17:30And, you know, we did a video for that, speaking of videos.
17:34And they just did a tour with us, Skillet and Theory of a Dead Man.
17:40Oh, yeah.
17:40That's right.
17:40Right, right.
17:41Yeah.
17:41And that's actually going back out in the fall.
17:45But I have some Stain stuff.
17:46So, Travis is out playing them, who used to be in a band with Kale.
17:56Oh, my God.
17:57I just drew a blank.
17:58With Chris Kale?
17:59No, no, no.
18:02Kale, the bass player, Adam's cousin.
18:04Oh, gotcha.
18:05Okay.
18:05Gotcha.
18:06And, oh, my God.
18:09Dan from Disturbed signed them, produced them.
18:12Why can't I think of the name?
18:14Anyways, I'm brain dead.
18:15But, anyways, I'm very thankful for him.
18:18And he's doing a great job out there.
18:19And those guys are out doing that.
18:22Yeah.
18:22I just hung out with Dan from Disturbed in Nashville for two days, which was like a week, actually.
18:29I'm stoked we're playing a show with those guys in September.
18:33So, it'll be great to see them.
18:35Yeah, they're going to be playing here.
18:36By the way, Toby Wright is one of my friends.
18:38Have you ever worked with Toby before?
18:39No, I haven't.
18:40But, I mean, the names come up, you know what I mean, to work together.
18:45Because he's obviously done some great work.
18:47Yeah, because he mixed the Injustice record.
18:51He was just telling me about it just recently.
18:53Really?
18:54I'll tell you about that sometime.
18:55But, yeah, you know, everyone knows the story about that thing.
18:59Oh, of course.
19:00Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:01Yeah, totally.
19:02So, what else you got going on this year?
19:03You're going to drop the record?
19:04Hop on some more tours and stuff?
19:06Yeah, that's it.
19:06We got the Godsmack tour.
19:08We got some dates after that.
19:10And I think there's a couple of dates this fall.
19:12And just trying to figure out.
19:15I mean, we'll be, you know, playing next year as well.
19:17You know, yeah.
19:19Yeah, just out there on the road promoting and, yeah, playing some shows.
19:24And it's so good to be back out on the road and see all these concerts and the whole thing.
19:27Because you just mentioned that Korn 2021 tour.
19:30And that must have been the most bizarre tour you've been on.
19:32It was.
19:33It was tough.
19:34And we were getting tested before every show.
19:35So, I remember talking, Korn's tour manager, tour managed us for a while.
19:44And, you know, friends with him.
19:45And I remember talking to him one morning.
19:46He's like, okay, if Jonathan and Aaron can stay healthy, we're all good.
19:50And we were in Pennsylvania, Scranton, I think it was.
19:56And that day, Jonathan tested positive and the tour shut down.
20:00Like, literally that afternoon, he's like, all right, I'm not talking about it with you ever again.
20:03And we took like, but listen, we took like 10 days off and we were able to get back out there and finish it.
20:09You know what I mean?
20:10So, it was, you know, it worked out.
20:13I mean, but yeah.
20:14Was it one of those deals where like, did you see a lot of fans all masking up and stuff?
20:18No, nobody really.
20:19I mean, there was a few people that did.
20:21But no, people were just kind of at the show and, you know, enjoying themselves.
20:24Yeah.
20:25During that time, did you have a chance to reflect on like your career and what you had done?
20:33I mean, at that time, I was really just kind of focused on the family, you know what I mean?
20:37And being here with them and kind of enjoying them because there was nothing else going on, you know?
20:43So, I kind of look, I mean, we really enjoyed ourselves.
20:47I mean, it was, yeah, it was actually nice to not have, you know, the phone ringing.
20:53The kids didn't have their other activities that they're at all the time.
20:56There was no place to go.
20:57And I mean, I kind of fondly look back on that time and for what it was and being able to just all be together.
21:06Well, I'll tell you what, we're looking forward to the new record in September.
21:09You're saying Confessions of the Fallen, which is a song that you wrote somewhere along the line.
21:16Aaron put words to and the whole thing.
21:20There you have it.
21:21And it's great.
21:22It's awesome.
21:24It's the best.
21:25Well, Mike, so great to talk to you.
21:27We'll see you here with the guys from Godsmack.
21:29I texted Robbie to give me a question for you.
21:32And Robbie sometimes isn't great with the texting.
21:35But what's something about Robbie I can bust his chops?
21:38Oh, my God.
21:39I don't know.
21:42I mean, he's another hockey guy, right?
21:46Yeah.
21:46You guys must have played, skated together.
21:49Did, yeah, several times.
21:50I'm sure, because I know whenever we go into doing, oh, can we go skate?
21:54And I know he's a big dirt bike guy, too, right?
21:58Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:00I think, though, like all of us, he's getting a little older.
22:01The aches and pains, I don't think he's doing as much as he used to.
22:04Dude, I'm telling you, man.
22:05I said that earlier.
22:07I mean, I've been working out a bunch.
22:10I have all these things going on that I just am like, why is my knee killing me?
22:15I don't understand.
22:16And listen, ibuprofen in the morning, aspirin at night, you're good to go.
22:21Jeez, yeah.
22:22It's not good for the liver, though.
22:23Well, unless I wash it down with a few beers, then it's okay.
22:28It's okay for the liver, right?
22:29Yeah.
22:30Hey, Mike, thanks so much for the time.
22:32We'll see you out on tour, and good luck with the record and everything.
22:34Yeah, thank you, sir.
22:35I appreciate it, as always.
22:36Thank you, sir.
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22:39Thank you, sir.