The Jeremy Kyle Show 19th August 2010
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00:00No matter what they say, he will always see Megan.
00:03In-laws at war.
00:05You and whose arm is going to stop me from seeing my daughter, I don't care who you are.
00:07I'll do everything possible.
00:08Yeah, and that's what you said to Chantel.
00:10A woman who wants to become a man.
00:12This is the way I want to be, this is the way I can't live as a girl.
00:18It's horrible, you have no idea how much it hurts.
00:21And lie detector results.
00:23Are you going to pass this, Kayla?
00:25Yeah, I should do.
00:26Sorry?
00:27I should do.
00:28I should do.
00:30That's all on my show.
00:31It's next.
01:00Good morning, my friend.
01:08Hi, sweetheart.
01:09You all right?
01:09Nice to see you.
01:10Hello.
01:10You're nice to stay.
01:11You all right?
01:12Hello.
01:13Hi, mate.
01:14You okay?
01:15You okay?
01:17Thank you very much indeed.
01:17Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:19Now, our brand new series starts next week.
01:22But first, I want to go back and revisit some more former guests.
01:25First up, do you remember this family?
01:27Grandmother Lynn came to our show declaring her daughter's partner an unfit father after hearing
01:31rumours that he was taking drugs at his own daughter's christening.
01:34Let's go back and take this look.
01:36Basically, he's given two years of hell.
01:42The way I see him is the scum of the earth.
01:45Talk about the beginning.
01:45The first time you met him, what happened?
01:46He was drunk.
01:49He's always drunk.
01:51He's always fighting.
01:53Once he gets drunk, kicking off with somebody, he takes drugs.
02:00You know that for a fact?
02:01Yeah.
02:02Without a doubt.
02:03Did he come and live at your house?
02:06Yeah.
02:06I took him in.
02:07I've given him a roof over his head.
02:09I've given him a job.
02:11I've done everything possible for him.
02:13I've given him chance after chance.
02:14I read specifically about the job.
02:17You gave him a chance.
02:18He didn't exactly repay you in the right way.
02:20What happened?
02:21I believe he stole off me.
02:26He's been violent.
02:28He's smashed my windows.
02:29He's smashed a door.
02:30Did you cheat on her?
02:32Several times.
02:33Do you know that for a fact?
02:34Without a doubt.
02:35He left her when she was a couple of months pregnant.
02:40Walked out on her.
02:42Used it, excused it.
02:43She wasn't giving him sex.
02:45Sorry?
02:46She used the excuse that...
02:47He used the excuse that she wasn't giving him enough sex.
02:50He left his girlfriend who was pregnant because she wouldn't have sex with him.
02:53Despite the fact that she might have been particularly traumatised by the fact that her body was going through a massive change.
02:57That's right.
02:58You believe that he is still on drugs.
03:01In fact, you make a specific allegation about the christening.
03:04I do, but I didn't see that myself.
03:08I was told...
03:09Told what?
03:10That it took some drug in the toilets at the christening.
03:14What drug?
03:15Cocaine.
03:17Let's be perfectly honest.
03:18Some of what she said is completely unacceptable behaviour.
03:21Is it true?
03:21Yeah, it's true.
03:22Yeah, it is true.
03:23I'll hold my hands up.
03:23I have done drugs.
03:25I have cheated on her daughter.
03:26I have been a c***er with my daughter.
03:27I'll hold my hands up.
03:28How many times have you cheated on her?
03:30Countless times.
03:30I don't know.
03:33Is it true that you left her when she was two months pregnant because you couldn't have sex regularly with her?
03:37No, that's a load of c***er.
03:38That's a load of rubbish and I don't know where you've got that from.
03:41We don't have.
03:41And steal off you as well.
03:43I have a stole off you, Lynn.
03:44You put me in that pub, right, and I was that kind to you because you was making no money, I offered to work for free.
03:50That's right.
03:51Yeah, that's right.
03:52Did I get any...
03:53And I said, no, I'm paying you because there is money going missing.
03:58You paid me 50 quid.
03:59You ought to look a bit closer to home when the money's going missing.
04:01Whatever.
04:02Why do you think that Lynn has such a problem with your on-off relationship with her daughter?
04:09I don't know, to be honest.
04:10Do you know what I mean?
04:10The way I've tracked Chantal isn't good.
04:13I do hold my hands up to that.
04:14I do hold my hands up to that, yeah.
04:15But it's time that you let go of your daughter.
04:19She wants...
04:20I would never, ever let go of any of my kids because parents don't do that.
04:27No, but you need to wait for me.
04:29Exactly.
04:30And you want me to stay away from my daughter.
04:32I tell you what, Pope won't even keep me away from my daughter.
04:36You're scum of the earth.
04:36I don't want you ever...
04:37You'll never stop me.
04:38You and whose arm is going to stop me.
04:39My kids or my grandkids.
04:40Yeah.
04:41You and whose arm is going to stop me from seeing my daughter.
04:43I don't care who you are.
04:44I'll do everything possible.
04:45Yeah, and that's what you said to Chantal.
04:46That's right.
04:47All these messages on Facebook off Lindsay, stay away.
04:50Exactly, Lindsay's sister.
04:51Yeah, we don't want you anywhere near.
04:53You're not coming nowhere near your daughter.
04:54None of the family want you anywhere near.
04:55You tell our researchers, Lynn, that you have genuine concerns for your grandchild's safety.
05:00Yeah, of course I do.
05:01What?
05:01What would they do?
05:02I wish you had that much of a...
05:03Right.
05:04Right, okay, a couple of months ago, your daughter is three months old.
05:08Yeah.
05:09Your girlfriend is in bed poorly, would just add the doctor out to her.
05:14She heard you shouting in your daughter's face.
05:18Three months old for crying.
05:19How did she hear me shouting in my daughter's face?
05:21So she had to get out of bed and come and look after her.
05:24No, she did not.
05:24Yes, she did.
05:25That's all the...
05:26Right about that.
05:27That's when she comes out, yeah.
05:27Yeah.
05:28Yeah, if she heard me shouting in my daughter's face, do you know what I mean?
05:30How could she tell her I was shouting in my daughter's face?
05:32I was getting mad and I was walking around and I was more mad at Chantel because she
05:35could hear me getting wound up and she knew I wanted some help.
05:38She was...
05:39Did you admit that you're not a particularly good boyfriend?
05:42Not really, no.
05:43No, because...
05:44Would you admit that you haven't been a particularly good boyfriend?
05:46Not to Chantel, no, definitely not.
05:47So what sort of father do you think you are?
05:49I'm a good father when it comes to my kids, do you know what I mean?
05:52I love my kids.
05:52So explain to me then, Mr. Perfect, how you can label yourself as a good father when at
05:57two months you walked away from Chantel, you didn't have anything to do with her
06:00during the pregnancy and you only came back just a while before the christening.
06:03What do you think?
06:03Well, that she just went through huge changes, gave birth, went through that amazing and
06:07yet terrifying experience all on her own and you just, you know, wheedled back when
06:11it suits you, having apparently controlled your drug addiction or whatever else and everything's
06:14fine.
06:15No, I couldn't hold my hands up.
06:15Found to feel like that.
06:16I couldn't hold my hands up to the responsibility.
06:18So why don't you just sit there and stop fighting back and say, yeah, I understand you're
06:22cynical.
06:22I understand that you...
06:23Because I'm not sitting there and having somebody tell me that I was on drugs at my
06:26daughter's christening, I was on drugs while working behind your bar.
06:29If you was that worried, because people were talking about me on the christening, if you
06:32were that worried about your grandchild, I was walking around with her in my arms most
06:36of that day at the christening, don't you think somebody would have come up and took
06:38her off me?
06:39I got a point about that at the end of the christening.
06:41I'm going to tell you something now and I'm not sticking up for him.
06:44If I had heard that there was somebody at a christening holding a child who allegedly had
06:48sniffed cocaine in the toilets, I'd have had that child off them quicker than that.
06:51I wanted, the same as everybody else wanted, to maintain the peace because everybody's
06:56biggest fear that day was you getting drunk and kicking off like you always do when you
07:00drink.
07:00And did I have a drink that day?
07:01No.
07:02No, I enjoyed the day.
07:02That's the only reason you think you can't.
07:03But if I heard that somebody was in there with a child, I don't care who you are.
07:06But that's the point.
07:07You do it yourself.
07:08But you do it yourself.
07:09No, she's right and you're missing the point.
07:12Of course she's going to be cynical.
07:13Don't just say, well, it was a christening I didn't get drunk and kick off.
07:16Do something with your damn life so you don't get drunk and kick off at whatever time and
07:20then they won't have that ammunition to throw at you.
07:23That's the point, isn't it?
07:24That's the point.
07:26You need to take your head out of your backside, think of your daughter, do the right thing
07:31and stay away.
07:32No, I'm not staying away from my daughter.
07:33You are no good for her.
07:34I'm not staying away from my daughter.
07:35You are no good for her.
07:35I don't care.
07:36Where was you through the pregnancy?
07:38Where was you every Friday when Chantal was going for them scans?
07:41Where was you when your baby was born?
07:42Yeah, I wasn't there.
07:43My wife had to hold her up in front of her and blow in her face to make sure she was
07:47breathing.
07:47Where was you?
07:48You wasn't there.
07:49No, I wasn't there.
07:50Who was there?
07:51Me, my mother.
07:52Yeah.
07:53Not you.
07:54You were off God knows where sleeping with God knows who doing God knows what.
07:58All right.
07:58As usual.
07:59Cleaning yourself as usual.
08:01Do you know what I mean?
08:02I can't argue with that point.
08:04I wasn't there.
08:05Do you know what I mean?
08:05We had split up and everything.
08:06And every time we split up, I always go back to Wayne Fleet where I'm from.
08:09They're down.
08:09They're down.
08:10They're down.
08:10They're down.
08:11They're concerned as a family.
08:12What are you on about?
08:14Well, that's what you're doing.
08:14Well, you refuse to wear condoms.
08:16Chantal had to take herself off for an STD check to see what she'd got.
08:19Right, yeah.
08:20Because you refuse to wear condoms because you don't like them.
08:22No.
08:23Therefore, procreating life here, there and everywhere and doing nothing to support it.
08:28You don't go to work and pay taxes.
08:29No.
08:29No.
08:29Actually.
08:30I go to work.
08:31My tax money pays for you to sit on your backside.
08:34Oh, what?
08:35God knows what.
08:36If I don't work, how come last year or two years ago, I got like 1,200 pounds.
08:39Does that mean I don't work?
08:41Thank you very much.
08:42He does make me happy.
08:44Not all the time, no.
08:47But when it is good, it is good.
08:49How's he going to work with a family who patently don't like him at all?
08:54I don't know.
08:55They've made it very clear.
08:56If we get back together, then I'll lose them.
08:59No, we've never said that ever.
09:03I said...
09:04Have I ever...
09:04No, no, shush, shush, shush, shush, shush, shush, shush, shush.
09:07Wait, be quiet.
09:08That's really important.
09:10Did you say that she would be cut off if she got back?
09:12Never.
09:13Well, that's how you're making it seem.
09:15She would never, ever be cut off.
09:17If I was for one minute going to cut her off, I wouldn't be here now trying to protect her.
09:22No, I accept that.
09:23Lindsay, you made a threat, though.
09:25Did I?
09:25You told my researchers, young lady, that if they got back together and moved away, you might well have to inform social services.
09:32Yes, I did, yeah.
09:33Does that really help your sister?
09:35Yes, in the long run, it does, yeah.
09:37I've never put my girls at risk, ever.
09:40She is an absolutely fantastic mother.
09:43I really, really, really want you to know something.
09:45I like you.
09:46And I absolutely don't question any of your motives this morning.
09:48You need to make sure your other daughter doesn't send messages like that, because that's very, very dangerous.
09:52And that will do nothing for her state of mind or her situation, okay?
09:56Can I just ask Chantal something?
09:57Am I a danger to children?
09:58Yes.
09:59No, it's never been bad for them girls, ever.
10:03So you didn't have to get out of the bed after the doctor told you to stay in there, because you were stressing and shouting at Megan?
10:09Tell the truth.
10:10Megan was screaming continuously.
10:12She worked well herself.
10:14Right.
10:15She'd been screaming all morning, and he didn't know what to do with her.
10:19There was nobody there.
10:20How to calm her down.
10:21It was his father, why didn't he know?
10:22Because her mother and her father's instincts are to know.
10:25So join me after the break, and we'll continue to find out more about this story, and importantly, will have those lie detector results.
10:31I'm right back.
10:32No matter what they say, she will always see.
10:35He will always see, Megan.
10:36At the end of the day, you want no one to tell him he cannot see his daughter.
10:41We asked Matt, did you take any illegal drugs on the day of your daughter's christening?
10:45He said no.
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11:32Thank you very much indeed.
11:33Welcome back.
11:34Today, we're looking back at some of my guests before moving forward with a brand new season of this show.
11:39Before the break, we met a father accused of cheating on his partner and taking drugs at his baby's christening.
11:44Let's find out exactly what happened next.
11:45We're going to do the drugs test results.
11:48I'm going to get that in my ear.
11:49Now, the important thing is, it's a three-day test, and you said to my researchers, he'll pass this, because he'll have known he was coming on the show.
11:57Pass.
11:57And he won't have taken anything, yeah?
11:59No.
11:59Well, we did a drug test this morning on Matt, and he's absolutely clean.
12:05Yeah.
12:05Of all drugs.
12:06Drugs, obviously, is still an issue, but the big thing about this story, we'll do the lie detector results, is whether he'd taken cocaine out of the christening.
12:18He says he's trying to change.
12:19I don't know.
12:20Of course you're cynical.
12:21Of course I would be.
12:25We asked Matt, did you take any illegal drugs on the day of your daughter's christening?
12:29He said no.
12:31He was telling the truth.
12:32Anybody going to apologise to him?
12:43We didn't accuse him of it.
12:45We got told it, which is what I said right from the start.
12:47You were quite happy to go along with the accusations.
12:49Absolutely.
12:50Because I know he takes drugs.
12:52But you need to apologise to him, surely, because he didn't take the christening.
12:54I'm sorry for whatever was said about that particular day.
12:57I'm not sorry that you're a no-good druggie anyway.
13:00We asked him, apart from the two occasions you discussed with our polygraph expert,
13:05have you taken an illegal drug since your daughter was born?
13:07So on two occasions, since your daughter was born, how long ago?
13:11It's five months.
13:13With our polygraph expert, have you taken any illegal drugs since your daughter was born?
13:16You know just the two times, yeah?
13:18He says, no, I've only ever taken it twice.
13:20Which is only just admitted to them two times.
13:23Well, you were lying about twice as well, weren't you?
13:26No.
13:26Really?
13:27Because this test says you were lying.
13:28Before you tell me this test is dodgy, before you tell me this test is dodgy,
13:32OK, you passed the first one.
13:33This says that you've taken drugs on more than two occasions that you admitted to since your daughter was born.
13:38Is that telling the truth, that test?
13:39I don't know.
13:40What do you mean you don't know?
13:41Of course you know.
13:42I don't know, because I've admitted to it.
13:43Have you taken it more than twice?
13:44No, I haven't, no.
13:46Really?
13:46Really.
13:47Then we asked him, did you take any illegal drugs whilst you were at work when you were working for Ling?
13:51He said no.
13:53And this test says he was lying on that question as well.
13:57Thank you very much.
13:58Chantelle, open your eyes.
13:59You deserve so much better.
14:02You are much more than good.
14:05I, I, I, you know what?
14:08I tried, because actually everybody should have a second chance, right?
14:14And I proved that, that, you know, their view of you would be coloured by Chantelle.
14:19But what do you do?
14:20You're going to lie in the lie detector and you get found out.
14:23No.
14:23Yes, you did.
14:24Don't even try.
14:25I didn't get found out.
14:26I've never touched drugs while I was working behind that part, at all.
14:30You can sit there and laughling.
14:32The fact of the matter is, Chantelle will make her own choices.
14:34I only want to say this to all of you.
14:36The family have to leave the door open.
14:38They understandably think you're going to mess up again.
14:40Chantelle's stuck between the devil and the deep blue scene.
14:42You've just let yourself down again, haven't you?
14:44Because you might just as well have come completely clean today,
14:47put it all out there, said, I want a fresh start.
14:49But no, you hid behind it and you got found out.
14:51Well, I've hid behind nothing.
14:52I've told the truth.
14:54Plain and simple.
14:55Matter what they say, she will always see.
14:58He will always see, Megan.
14:59I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say to everybody.
15:01You want no one to tell him he cannot see his daughter.
15:04I'm going to, no, but you are ultimately if you don't think it's safe.
15:06And that's the point.
15:07You have to make your choices.
15:09You have to support those choices, even if you dislike them.
15:11You have to stop lying and understand that we will work really hard.
15:15But this really is the last chance saloon.
15:18I don't think you quite get that.
15:20Graham is waiting backstage.
15:21You two that way.
15:22You two that way.
15:22Give him a round of applause.
15:23The best of luck to them.
15:27Now, over the years, I've had the privilege to meet a whole host of families with diverse
15:30issues and problems.
15:32In my next series, we will continue to bring you a variety of stories.
15:34Stories that could shock you, warm your heart, or even anger you.
15:37And I guess my next story was something special for The Kyle Show.
15:40Parents Tony and Elaine were finding it difficult to accept their teenage daughter
15:44wanting to become a man.
15:45Let's see what happened when this family came on our show.
15:48I've been married to Elaine for years and years.
15:52Seventeen.
15:53Two kids and Rebecca.
15:57Rebecca, Becky, Bex, yeah.
15:59Not Ben.
16:01Absolutely not.
16:02In this PC world, I wanted to start this differently, right?
16:05Because I'm a father of a girl that age.
16:09I understand that, yeah.
16:10I totally get where you're coming from.
16:12I'm sure all the people will say, well, you know.
16:14But I want to hear your side as a father,
16:17because I think it's absolutely central.
16:19Tell us.
16:22She's just, she's my daughter.
16:25She's always been my daughter.
16:26I've watched her, obviously, from day one.
16:28You know, and she was beautiful.
16:30She had lovely curly hair, tight ringlets.
16:34Had everything, a whole life ahead of her.
16:38Tomboy-esque?
16:40Slightly, you know.
16:41Some of the clothes she wore, but always a girl at the end of the day.
16:48She was always Rebecca or Becky.
16:51She wants us to call her Ben.
16:52I'm aware, yeah.
16:53We got that at the hotel yesterday.
16:55It was...
16:56I'm in a slightly difficult position.
16:57I've got a girl who wants to be called Ben,
16:58and the dad who wants to call her Rebecca.
17:00Well...
17:01In terms of gender reassignment, she has begun what?
17:08I don't know how far down she's gone.
17:10I know she's been to see a GP.
17:13A GP's referred her to various other people.
17:17I haven't been informed of any of that by anybody.
17:20I've just had really what my wife Elaine's told me,
17:24and little bits that Becky's thrown at me.
17:26Have you spoken to Rebecca about this?
17:28We've talked about it on occasion, yeah.
17:29It just gets very heated.
17:31She ends up in tears and storming off up to her bedroom.
17:34What does she say to you?
17:35What does she want?
17:39Exactly that.
17:39She wants to be a boy.
17:41Why does she want to be a boy?
17:42She feels like she's trapped in the wrong body?
17:44I don't know.
17:45Part of what I can't get around is why she wants to be a boy.
17:48I think most people listening to this would be shocked,
17:50would they not, that this child is 17?
17:53There are experts who have already been quoted in other cases,
17:57saying the earlier the better,
17:59in terms of the impact on the body physically, etc, etc.
18:03For me, it would be such a monumental decision.
18:06How could anybody at 17 be able to make that,
18:08or am I missing the point here?
18:09I don't think you are, no.
18:11Part of what I can't get around is,
18:13she's a teenager, her head's everywhere.
18:18Do you think it's a phase then?
18:19I pray to God.
18:20It would have to be a pretty, pretty major phase.
18:23Well, yeah, but I've been living with it.
18:25I've been living with the phase now.
18:26We've been going through this for 18 months, two years,
18:29and all along, as it gradually progressed to different stages,
18:34I've just, I mean, I've said to Elaine on loads of times.
18:37What worries you most?
18:40That she's just going to, that she's throwing her life away.
18:43She's not, you know, she's got everything ahead of her,
18:46or could have everything,
18:47and she's, but she's going, no, she's just stagnating.
18:49It's holding her back.
18:50She's in a relationship, and this is where I need experts,
18:54because Rebecca is in a relationship with a girl.
18:57Yep.
19:00But they both say they're not gay.
19:03That's why I'm on the show, Jeremy.
19:07Why were you crying backstage?
19:09Just because the way that he was like,
19:12he said that I'm gay, but I'm not, it's like...
19:17Why is that label so important?
19:21Why don't we talk?
19:22Why don't you tell your dad?
19:23Why don't you sit back and you tell your dad?
19:25It doesn't matter what you're called or anything like that.
19:27Why don't you tell your dad
19:29why at 17 this is how you feel?
19:33I don't know why.
19:35It's like I've got, like, I think exactly like a boy I do, you know.
19:41What do you feel?
19:41Just like, like, I can't explain it.
19:47It feels like I've got the brain,
19:50I think exactly like a 17-year-old boy,
19:52but it's the wrong body.
19:55How long have you felt like that?
19:58Since, like, well, when I was little,
19:59I always, like, it's always been in the back of my head.
20:02I've always thought it, but I've never actually said anything,
20:04because I thought that it was normal
20:06and I just carried on, like, in my childhood
20:09and then I hit puberty.
20:12So growing up when your mum bought you a nice party dress for a party?
20:15Yeah.
20:16You hated that?
20:17Yeah.
20:19Tell your dad, right,
20:21why you feel like this.
20:24This is the way I want to be,
20:26and this is the way I can't, like,
20:28I can't live as a girl.
20:30It's horrible.
20:31You have no idea how much it hurts.
20:33It's, like,
20:36it's like I'm, like,
20:37you're punishing me for something that I've done.
20:40No, I'm not.
20:41Becky, we've always done everything we can.
20:43Yeah, I know.
20:44But I don't expect you to accept it straight away.
20:48I just want you to understand and give it a chance.
20:50What is it that you want your dad to do?
20:55I want, just to listen to me.
20:57I've got to do it.
20:58You have no idea how, like,
21:00you don't know what goes on in my head.
21:01You don't know what I...
21:02Tell him.
21:03It's horrible.
21:04Like, if I'm sitting upstairs and you shout with me,
21:07you shout Becky,
21:08and Mary has to turn around and say,
21:10yeah, your dad's showing,
21:10because I just don't click on,
21:12because everybody that I know,
21:14like, personally, my friends all call me Ben.
21:16It's just...
21:17I want you to sit and listen,
21:19and I want you to...
21:20I do listen, Becky.
21:21I do listen, but...
21:22You're only 17.
21:23Yeah, I know, but I can't go on living my life as a girl.
21:26I can't put a dress on and be like...
21:27But you're not living your life.
21:28That's it.
21:28You're not living your life.
21:29I am.
21:29You're not.
21:30You're in your bedroom,
21:31or you're not in your bedroom.
21:33You're not going out.
21:34You're not doing anything.
21:35You're not meeting people.
21:36You and Mary are...
21:37You're joined at the hip,
21:38and that's it.
21:39You don't go anywhere.
21:39How come that you are so sure at such a young age
21:44of what you want to be and who you want to be?
21:47That's what your dad needs to know, I think.
21:49Because it's always been there since I was little.
21:52Like, since I was...
21:53Like, I remember buying my first...
21:56Like, I ate my boys' clothes, and I remember it.
21:59Because, like, when...
22:01Beyond clothing, who have you spoken to?
22:04Who have you...
22:05Whose information and knowledge have you tapped into?
22:07Where has this...
22:09I know the world is a different place 25 years ago
22:12when I was 17, with the internet and everything,
22:14but I think I'd freak out a bit like your dad
22:18if my 17-year-old had come to be and said,
22:19I want to be a man.
22:20I'm probably quite naive.
22:22Where's this all come from?
22:24It's always been at the back of my head,
22:26but as I've grew up and understood it more,
22:28and, like, seen programs on it and researched it,
22:30I knew that there's a name for it.
22:32It's not...
22:32Because I just thought, like, it was normal, like,
22:34for every, like, little kid to think something like that.
22:36And then when I grew up and realised it wasn't normal
22:38and this isn't right,
22:40and then when I hit puberty,
22:41I thought, well, something's got to be done.
22:43So that's when I turned around and I thought...
22:45I didn't tell anybody about it.
22:46I never, like...
22:47I didn't mention it to anybody,
22:49but sooner or later it came out,
22:51and then he just won't...
22:54To me, it feels like he won't listen to my side of the story
22:56and he won't, like...
22:57I have listened.
22:57I've listened to your side of the story
22:58and I've made a...
22:59And I've formed my opinion.
23:01Yeah, but you don't give it a chance.
23:02No, because you don't give it a chance.
23:03You won't give your life a chance.
23:05Because I can.
23:05I can.
23:06You can.
23:06You can go out there
23:07and you can try and live your life.
23:10Yeah, I'm living my life now.
23:12I'm not doing much with it.
23:13You haven't got a job, Becky.
23:14You don't get out of bed.
23:16You're not trying to mingle.
23:17You're not trying to socialise.
23:19You're just...
23:20Yeah, because there's always that thing
23:21that, like,
23:22somebody could come up to me and be like,
23:23well, are you a girl or a boy?
23:24If I go and meet people,
23:25I'm scared to do it.
23:26I don't want to do it like this.
23:28Don't go anywhere, my friends,
23:30because this story continues
23:31on this show
23:32after this break.
23:33You must surely,
23:34within the support group
23:35that you're part of,
23:36know many, many people
23:36who've had this operation
23:37and regretted it.
23:38No one has regretted it.
23:39These people don't regret
23:41changing their gender.
23:43What they have
23:43is difficult problems.
23:45You're telling me
23:45that nobody has ever
23:46regretted the decision?
23:47Honestly, it's...
23:48I've read people
23:49that have changed back.
23:50Or maybe you need the truth
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24:34Thank you very much indeed.
24:35Welcome back.
24:36Today I'm marking
24:37the end of this series
24:37by looking back
24:38at some of my best shows
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24:42but before all of that
24:43let's continue
24:44with our earlier story.
24:46One of the things
24:47I wanted to say
24:47to both of you
24:48was that you've got
24:49very upset I know
24:50that your mum and dad
24:52but specifically
24:52your dad won't help
24:53you financially
24:54to get the transport
24:56to go and see
24:56the specialist.
24:58I'm going to say
24:59something to you
24:59which might surprise you.
25:01I think not only
25:02should you pay
25:02for that transport
25:03I think you should
25:03actually go with Rebecca
25:04and do you know
25:05what I want
25:05I'd want to find out
25:06absolutely everything
25:07because the flip side
25:09might well be
25:10if this is pie
25:11in the sky
25:12hear me out
25:12and I'm not saying
25:13it is
25:14just hear me out
25:15if this is not
25:16thought through
25:16in your mind
25:17maybe filling in
25:19the gaps
25:19will have
25:20the right effect
25:22in your mind.
25:23Let's get Elaine
25:23on the show
25:24ladies and gentlemen.
25:24I actually feel
25:42for all of you
25:43I absolutely feel
25:44for all of you
25:45Elaine welcome
25:46to the show
25:46can I get some
25:52tissues please
25:53where are you
25:55on this
25:55by Ben
25:57stroke Rebecca's
25:57admission
25:58you are more
25:58understanding
25:59right in the middle
26:01thank you
26:03this is causing
26:05much trouble
26:07right
26:07not a major
26:10upheaval
26:10every day
26:10I just want her
26:12to be happy
26:12it must be very
26:14difficult as the
26:14woman who gave
26:15birth
26:16to a daughter
26:17when you first
26:18heard this
26:19what was your
26:20reaction
26:20are you with
26:20Tony or are you
26:21slightly more
26:22lenient
26:22I'm probably
26:23slightly more
26:24lenient
26:24because like I
26:26said you know
26:27I will
26:27do you notice
26:28anything when she
26:29was growing up
26:29you're trying to
26:30put her in party
26:30dresses
26:31yeah it was like
26:32it was a nightmare
26:34the tears and the
26:35tantrums
26:36trying to force her
26:37to wear
26:37a dress
26:38I think the only
26:40dress I've ever
26:40seen her wear
26:41without kicking up
26:42a fuss was her
26:43christening dress
26:43and she wasn't
26:44christening until
26:44she was eight
26:45if this is
26:47what Rebecca
26:48is how does
26:49that sit with
26:50you
26:50what do you
26:52mean if this
26:53is what she
26:53is if this is
26:54a young girl
26:55who believes
26:58that she's trapped
26:59in the wrong
26:59gender if you
27:02like body
27:03would you
27:04support her
27:05I would go
27:09a long way
27:10to try and
27:10help her
27:10but I don't
27:11know at the
27:12end of the
27:12day if I
27:12could actually
27:13watch her
27:14change herself
27:17I mean
27:17she's changed
27:19herself so much
27:19now she's
27:20gone
27:20over the last
27:22few years
27:22she's gone
27:22from one
27:23extreme to
27:23the other
27:24and the
27:25hair
27:25not just
27:25the hair
27:26the clothes
27:26and everything
27:27but I don't
27:29think I could
27:29sit back
27:29and watch
27:30go through
27:31an operation
27:31to change
27:32herself
27:32physically
27:33what's the
27:33what's the
27:34option
27:34here we are
27:36straight on
27:37the line
27:37that's the
27:37point of the
27:38show today
27:38if Rebecca
27:40stroke Ben
27:41wants to do
27:42this
27:42what's that
27:44you're going
27:44to wash
27:44your hands
27:44of her
27:44I couldn't
27:45ever do
27:46that
27:46I couldn't
27:47wash my
27:47hands
27:48of her
27:48I couldn't
27:49support her
27:49go through
27:49the operation
27:50Tony
27:51like I say
27:53if she'd
27:53come to me
27:53at 25
27:54after being
27:54after doing
27:55something
27:55after having
27:56a job
27:56and saying
27:57dad I
27:57still want
27:57to do it
27:58talking to
27:58me now
27:59I would
27:59still
27:59I think
28:00you'd be
28:00exactly the
28:01same
28:01at 23
28:02or 25
28:02and I'm
28:03going to
28:03say this
28:04now on
28:04national
28:04television
28:04I think
28:05I'd probably
28:05be reacting
28:06exactly the
28:06same as
28:07you are
28:07and we
28:07will no
28:08doubt
28:08be
28:08criticised
28:09by the
28:09PC
28:09brigade
28:10who will
28:10say
28:10and I
28:11take your
28:12point
28:12absolutely
28:12it is
28:13you're
28:13right
28:13but I
28:13think
28:13it is
28:14right
28:14that we
28:14give
28:14credence
28:15to how
28:15this
28:15dad
28:15is
28:16feeling
28:16don't
28:16you
28:16do you
28:17understand
28:17how
28:18difficult
28:18it
28:19is
28:19for
28:19your
28:19mum
28:19and dad
28:19yeah
28:20I'm
28:21being
28:21honest
28:21it
28:21would
28:21freak
28:22me
28:22completely
28:22but
28:23and I
28:24underline
28:24but
28:24whether
28:26my
28:27child
28:27was a
28:27daughter
28:28or a
28:28son
28:28that
28:28would
28:28be
28:28my
28:29child
28:29in
28:30honest
28:30I
28:31want
28:31to
28:31know
28:31as
28:32much
28:32as
28:32possible
28:32I
28:33want
28:33to
28:33be
28:33as
28:33informed
28:33I
28:34want
28:34her
28:34to
28:34be
28:34as
28:35informed
28:35that's
28:35why
28:36I've
28:36said
28:36my
28:36piece
28:36that's
28:37what
28:37I
28:37want
28:37but
28:38I
28:38want
28:38her
28:38to
28:38be
28:38informed
28:39I
28:39want
28:39her
28:39to
28:39know
28:39what
28:40what
28:40life
28:41what
28:41life
28:41is
28:41all
28:41about
28:41this
28:42isn't
28:43moving
28:43town
28:44dumping
28:45somebody
28:45getting
28:46engaged
28:47this
28:48is it
28:49isn't
28:49it
28:49I
28:50mean
28:50can
28:50you
28:51imagine
28:51if
28:52you
28:52did
28:53this
28:53and
28:53regretted
28:54it
28:54and
28:55I
28:55think
28:56that
28:56any
28:56parent
28:57who
28:57cares
28:57about
28:57their
28:58offspring
28:58would
28:58want
28:58to
28:59make
28:59that
28:59point
28:59yeah
28:59I've
29:01known
29:01all
29:01my
29:02life
29:02something
29:03that's
29:03just
29:04inside
29:04of
29:04you
29:04you
29:05have
29:05this
29:05your
29:06first
29:06memories
29:07come
29:07out
29:07that's
29:08when
29:09it
29:09starts
29:09it's
29:10an
29:11actual
29:11condition
29:12and
29:13you
29:13don't
29:13know
29:14what
29:14to
29:14do
29:15about
29:15it
29:15at
29:15that
29:16young
29:16age
29:16you
29:16just
29:17have
29:17to
29:17deal
29:17with
29:17it
29:17in
29:17the
29:17best
29:18way
29:18you
29:18can
29:18you
29:18know
29:19I
29:19think
29:19the
29:20hardest
29:20thing
29:20for her
29:20parents
29:21is
29:24it
29:24such a
29:25shocking
29:25thing
29:25to hear
29:26and
29:27probably
29:27Ben
29:27doesn't
29:28quite
29:29know
29:29how
29:29to
29:29put
29:29it
29:30into
29:30words
29:30I
29:30don't
29:31think
29:31I
29:31could
29:31put
29:31it
29:31into
29:32words
29:32did
29:32you
29:32struggle
29:33with
29:33that
29:33yes
29:34I
29:34was
29:35sat
29:35on
29:42I
29:43am
29:43very
29:43happy
29:44we
29:44have
29:44family
29:44here
29:45a
29:46whole
29:46family
29:46here
29:47that
29:47is
29:47trying
29:47to
29:47work
29:48through
29:48this
29:49and
29:49understand
29:49it
29:50that's
29:50a
29:50wonderful
29:50thing
29:51it
29:51really
29:51is
29:51can I
29:52ask you a
29:52question
29:53Susie
29:53if you
29:53knew
29:53from
29:54his
29:54younger
29:54five
29:54that
29:55you
29:55weren't
29:55in
29:55the
29:55right
29:55body
29:56why
29:56you
29:56are
29:5642
29:57you
29:57only
29:58started
29:58the
29:58operations
29:59the
29:59gender
29:59reassignment
30:00last
30:00year
30:00because
30:01of
30:01the
30:01timing
30:02of
30:02my
30:03life
30:03Ben
30:04has
30:04come
30:05at
30:05an
30:05age
30:05which
30:05is
30:06totally
30:07different
30:07for
30:08people
30:08in
30:08this
30:09situation
30:10do you
30:10understand
30:10his
30:11father
30:11specifically
30:12his
30:12father's
30:12concern
30:12that
30:13he
30:14hasn't
30:14had
30:14any
30:14life
30:14at
30:15all
30:15in
30:16terms
30:16of
30:16experience
30:17you
30:18have
30:18is
30:19that
30:19not
30:19something
30:20that
30:20you
30:20think
30:21he
30:21should
30:21do
30:22and
30:22all
30:22that
30:23happens
30:23is
30:24you
30:24try
30:24and
30:24live
30:24as
30:25this
30:25wrong
30:25sex
30:26and
30:26you
30:26just
30:26keep
30:27on
30:27trying
30:27to
30:27do
30:27that
30:28you
30:28set
30:28up
30:28a
30:28whole
30:29batch
30:30of
30:30life
30:35one
30:35reason
30:35or
30:35another
30:36and
30:36all
30:36the
30:37basic
30:37reasons
30:37are
30:37there
30:38they
30:38all
30:38sit
30:38behind
30:39it
30:39all
30:39it
30:40is
30:40this
30:41sex
30:41thing
30:41you
30:42are
30:42the
30:42wrong
30:42sex
30:43for
30:43who
30:43you
30:43are
30:44and
30:44it's
30:45not
30:45down
30:46to
30:46sexuality
30:47at
30:48all
30:48the
30:48sexuality
30:49follows
30:49it
30:49around
30:50it's
30:50got
30:50actually
30:51nothing
30:51to do
30:52with
30:52it
30:52it's
30:52about
30:52gender
30:53it's
30:53about
30:53yourself
30:54I think
30:54Ben
30:54is
30:55too
30:55young
30:55at
30:5517
30:56to
30:56begin
30:56this
30:56process
30:57and
30:57should
30:57wait
30:57until
31:05that's
31:06actually
31:07up
31:07to
31:07Ben
31:07I
31:09would
31:09personally
31:10and
31:11certainly
31:11everyone
31:12I
31:12ever
31:13know
31:13would
31:14all
31:14love
31:15to
31:15be
31:15someone
31:16that
31:16could
31:16have
31:16transitioned
31:16earlier
31:17let me
31:17ask you a
31:18question
31:18you must
31:18surely
31:18within the
31:19support
31:19group
31:19that
31:19you're
31:20part
31:20of
31:20know
31:20many
31:20many
31:21people
31:21who've
31:21had
31:21this
31:21operation
31:22and
31:22regretted
31:22it
31:23no one
31:24has
31:24regretted
31:25it
31:25people
31:25don't
31:26regret
31:26changing
31:27their
31:27gender
31:28what
31:28they
31:29have
31:29is
31:29difficult
31:29problems
31:30you're
31:30telling
31:30me
31:31that
31:31nobody
31:31has
31:31ever
31:32regretted
31:32the
31:32decision
31:33people
31:34have
31:35changed
31:35back
31:36there's
31:36got to
31:36have
31:36been
31:37some
31:37regret
31:37there's
31:38one
31:38person
31:38isn't
31:39there
31:39there's
31:40actually
31:40not
31:41very
31:41many
31:41of
31:41those
31:42people
31:42it's
31:42such
31:42a
31:43monumental
31:43decision
31:44but is that
31:44not because
31:44that's not
31:45made
31:45public
31:46because
31:46it
31:46was
31:46so
31:46strange
31:47you know
31:47it's
31:48made
31:48public
31:48when
31:48somebody
31:49transitions
31:49from one
31:50sex
31:50to another
31:50and they're
31:51happy
31:51with their
31:51decision
31:52but it's
31:52never
31:53nobody
31:54ever speaks
31:54about
31:54the fact
31:55that
31:55what happens
31:56if it goes
31:56wrong
31:56what happens
31:57if you do
31:57change
31:57your mind
31:58it's just
31:59not
31:59publicised
32:00well I've had
32:00things going
32:01wrong for me
32:01as well
32:02I had
32:03my gender
32:05reassignment
32:06surgery back
32:06in January
32:07of 2008
32:08and some
32:09of the
32:09operation
32:10did go
32:10wrong
32:11I had
32:11to go
32:11back
32:12for a
32:13repair
32:13operation
32:14back in
32:14May
32:14and then
32:15in
32:15September
32:16I want
32:17you guys
32:17to sit
32:18backstage
32:18because
32:18we've
32:19got
32:19quite a
32:20lot
32:20that we
32:20want
32:20to offer
32:20you
32:21can I
32:21get
32:21agreement
32:22that
32:22with
32:22our
32:22help
32:23the
32:24three
32:24of you
32:24will
32:24travel to
32:25the
32:25specialist
32:25and find
32:26out
32:27as much
32:27as possible
32:28so there
32:28are no
32:29snap
32:29decisions
32:30that we
32:30aren't
32:30all
32:30as I
32:31say
32:31flailing
32:32around
32:32we get
32:32the
32:33information
32:33that is
32:33needed
32:34we respect
32:35the fact
32:35that Rebecca
32:35stroke
32:36Ben
32:36has these
32:37feelings
32:37we don't
32:37diss
32:38that
32:38because
32:38they
32:39are
32:39undoubtedly
32:39real
32:40we also
32:40respect
32:40the fact
32:41that the
32:41parents
32:41find it
32:43just
32:43mind
32:43blowing
32:44and
32:44they
32:44don't
32:45know
32:45what
32:45to
32:45do
32:45so
32:45let's
32:45get
32:46that
32:46information
32:46and
32:46let's
32:47start
32:47this
32:47process
32:48yes
32:48yes
32:48yes
32:55I really
32:56wish them
32:56all the
32:56very best
32:57for the
32:57future
32:57right
32:57moving on
32:58revealing
32:58test results
32:59on this
32:59show
33:00can really
33:00make or
33:01break
33:01a relationship
33:02and I'm
33:02often just
33:03a shock
33:03by the
33:03results
33:04myself
33:04in our
33:05new
33:05series
33:05I will
33:05continue
33:06to deliver
33:06all those
33:06important
33:07results
33:07to more
33:08families
33:08and couples
33:08looking
33:09for answers
33:10for today
33:10though
33:11my final
33:11former
33:12guests
33:12are Luke
33:12and his
33:13partner
33:13Kayla
33:13they came
33:14here
33:14because
33:15they were
33:15both
33:15convinced
33:16each
33:16other
33:16had
33:16cheated
33:17when
33:17a holiday
33:17in the
33:18sun
33:18had
33:18turned
33:19sour
33:19take a
33:20look at
33:20this
33:20I come
33:22home
33:22from work
33:22one day
33:22I was just
33:23flicking
33:23about
33:23on teletext
33:24decided to
33:25take on
33:25holiday
33:26tell me
33:29what happened
33:30on that
33:30particular
33:31holiday
33:31that
33:31particular
33:32night
33:32well
33:33I'd been
33:34drinking
33:34and then
33:36because we
33:36was all
33:36inclusive
33:37I decided
33:37to have
33:38a bit
33:38of a
33:38drink
33:38I think
33:40it was
33:40on the
33:40third
33:40night
33:40I was
33:42dancing
33:42on the
33:42dance
33:42floor
33:43a woman
33:44came over
33:45took my
33:45picture
33:45went to
33:46show me
33:47the picture
33:47so I
33:47put my arm
33:48around
33:48the woman
33:49Kayla
33:50come over
33:51slapped me
33:51around the
33:52face
33:52and then
33:53we went
33:54out to
33:55the lobby
33:55we had
33:56a rare
33:56the security
33:57person
33:59got in
33:59my face
33:59and I
34:00had been
34:00drinking
34:00so I
34:01got back
34:01in his
34:01face
34:01got chucked
34:02out
34:02the
34:02hotel
34:03so the
34:04argument
34:04escalated
34:05yeah
34:05what did
34:07you do
34:07well
34:08I had to
34:09leave the
34:09hotel
34:10so I
34:11had to
34:11go and
34:11sleep
34:11on the
34:11streets
34:12the
34:12night
34:12when you
34:13returned
34:13in the
34:13morning
34:14sober
34:14with your
34:15suitcase
34:15to the
34:16room
34:17that you'd
34:17rented
34:18what did
34:19you find
34:19well I
34:20knocked on
34:20the door
34:21only for
34:22another man
34:22to answer
34:22the door
34:23another man
34:25answered the
34:25door
34:25yeah
34:26was he
34:26clothed
34:27a pair of
34:28boxer shorts
34:29did you know
34:30him
34:31yeah
34:31he was
34:32someone we
34:33met on the
34:33holiday
34:33from the
34:34we met him
34:35first night
34:35when he was
34:36out there
34:36so not a
34:38long-term
34:38friendship
34:39no
34:39where was
34:42Kayla
34:42well
34:43stood
34:44stood up
34:45at the
34:45end
34:45with the
34:46quilt
34:47wrapped
34:47rounder
34:48so you
34:50walk into
34:51your hotel
34:51room
34:52and a
34:52bloke
34:52you met
34:53three days
34:54ago
34:54answers the
34:55door in
34:55his boxer
34:55shorts
34:56and your
34:56girlfriend
34:57is in
34:59the bed
34:59naked
35:00with the
35:00duvet
35:00wrapped
35:01round
35:01herself
35:01yeah
35:02what did
35:02you do
35:03well I
35:04hit him
35:04and then
35:08I was
35:09asking her
35:10how could
35:11she do
35:11this to
35:12me
35:13what did
35:13she say
35:14well she
35:15was saying
35:16that she
35:16hadn't done
35:16nothing
35:16she needed
35:17someone
35:17and she
35:18needed
35:18someone to
35:19cuddle her
35:19after the
35:20things I
35:20said the
35:20night before
35:21since that
35:22day
35:23serious point
35:24your son
35:26your child
35:27with her
35:27the relationship
35:29no it's
35:31just
35:31arguments
35:32accusations
35:34after accusations
35:35from both
35:36of us
35:36really
35:37why does
35:38she want
35:38you to
35:39do a
35:39lie
35:39detector
35:39well
35:40there was
35:41another
35:43girl
35:43and I
35:45told
35:45I was
35:45I told
35:46Kayla that
35:47she liked
35:47me she
35:48wanted me
35:48but I
35:49didn't want
35:49her
35:49and when
35:51we read
35:51at the
35:51beginning
35:52I would
35:52go round
35:52to see
35:53her
35:53and
35:54ask
35:55for her
35:57advice
35:57I thought
35:58best getting
35:58advice off
35:59a lady
35:59yeah
36:00very very
36:01subtle
36:01you argue
36:02about a
36:02particular
36:03woman
36:03and when
36:03you have
36:03an argument
36:04with your
36:04miss
36:04you
36:04should
36:05go
36:05round
36:05to
36:05that
36:05woman's
36:06house
36:06that's
36:06excellent
36:07really
36:08well
36:08thought
36:08out
36:08that
36:08is
36:09did
36:09anything
36:09happen
36:10with her
36:10no
36:11could you
36:12please
36:13explain to
36:14me in
36:14words of
36:15one syllable
36:16what the
36:16hell you
36:17thought you
36:17were doing
36:18that night
36:18on holiday
36:19well he
36:20didn't mention
36:20the fact
36:21that he
36:21got
36:22absolutely
36:22wrecked
36:23not a
36:23little bit
36:24of drink
36:24it was
36:25all
36:25inclusive
36:26so you
36:27can imagine
36:28loads of
36:29drinks were
36:29being ordered
36:30in on the
36:30table
36:30the whole
36:31table was
36:31filled
36:31with drinks
36:32and he
36:32was drinking
36:33loads when
36:34he got
36:34loved out
36:35of the
36:35hotel I
36:36went outside
36:36to him and
36:37I said
36:38let's drop
36:39it and
36:40I'll stay
36:40we'll go
36:40stay in
36:41another hotel
36:41he turned
36:42around and
36:42said I
36:42hate you
36:43and I'm
36:43going to
36:43burn down
36:44the house
36:44with you
36:44and
36:44Macaulay
36:45in it
36:45what sort
36:46of
36:46mother would
36:47I be
36:47if I
36:48stayed
36:48outside
36:48that hotel
36:49with him
36:49none of
36:51which is
36:51right I
36:52completely
36:52accept but
36:53we're
36:53going to
36:53get to
36:54it
36:54sweetheart
36:54what on
36:55earth were
36:55you doing
36:56in a hotel
36:57room
36:57naked
36:58I was 18
37:00at the
37:00time
37:00it was the
37:00first time
37:01being abroad
37:01there was
37:02two friends
37:02and I
37:03had no
37:03other
37:04girlfriends
37:04there
37:05what's
37:05the point
37:05you let
37:07a stranger
37:07you'd only
37:08known three
37:09days into
37:09your hotel
37:10room
37:10what if
37:11this guy
37:11had been
37:12I'll buy
37:13right now
37:13that nothing
37:13happened
37:14because I
37:14don't know
37:14the results
37:15I don't
37:15want to
37:15know
37:15the results
37:16but you
37:17put yourself
37:18in danger
37:18you also
37:19put yourself
37:19in a situation
37:20that's hardly
37:20easy to
37:21explain
37:21he was
37:22naked
37:22nothing
37:23happened
37:23I wanted
37:23a cuddle
37:24did he
37:24try on
37:24with you
37:25yes
37:25of course
37:25he did
37:26and what
37:27happened
37:27I
37:28totally
37:29no
37:29not because
37:30of him
37:30why didn't
37:30you kick
37:31his
37:31what
37:31not because
37:32of Luke
37:33I didn't
37:33not sleep
37:33with the
37:34bloke
37:34because of
37:34Luke
37:34because I
37:35did it
37:35for me
37:35and my
37:36son
37:37why didn't
37:37you just
37:38kick him
37:38out the
37:39room and
37:39say I'm
37:40going to
37:40spend the
37:40night
37:40here on
37:41my own
37:41I was
37:42scared
37:43Jeremy
37:44I wanted
37:44to go
37:45home
37:45I was
37:45traumatised
37:47he kicked
37:48off with
37:48me in
37:48the hotel
37:49but darling
37:50I'm not
37:51trying to
37:51be rude
37:52I'm not
37:52saying
37:53it's
37:53right
37:53but I'm
37:5343 so
37:55you'll
37:55have to
37:55bear with
37:55me
37:56they're
37:56scared
37:57and there's
37:59lock yourself
38:00in your
38:00hotel room
38:01but there's
38:01also a
38:02slight
38:02problem
38:03with
38:03I'm
38:03going to
38:04invite
38:04a man
38:04I've
38:05known
38:05three
38:05days
38:05in
38:06and
38:06he's
38:06going
38:06to
38:06get
38:07naked
38:07and
38:07I'm
38:07going
38:07to
38:07get
38:08naked
38:08he was not
38:08naked
38:09he had
38:09boxers
38:09short
38:10why did
38:12you show
38:12him
38:12photographs
38:13of your
38:13boobs
38:13on your
38:14mobile
38:14phone
38:14that
38:16was wrong
38:17with me
38:18but I
38:18did it
38:18and I
38:19did it
38:19out
38:19despite
38:20and
38:20anger
38:20so
38:21what
38:21this is
38:22the next
38:23bit
38:23I mean
38:23please
38:24you could
38:24have gone
38:24like that
38:25with a
38:25duvet
38:25no you
38:26got your
38:26you got
38:27your mobile
38:28phone out
38:28to what
38:29satisfy this
38:30bloke
38:30because he
38:30was trying
38:31to see me
38:33naked
38:34and I
38:34didn't want
38:35him to
38:35but why
38:36didn't you
38:37keep your
38:37clothes on
38:38then
38:38it was
38:39dark
38:39when I
38:39took them
38:40off
38:40and he
38:41was not
38:41in the
38:41bed
38:41with me
38:42can you
38:43see how
38:43it
38:43looked
38:44yes
38:44of course
38:45I
38:45can
38:45how
38:45would
38:45you
38:46threw
38:46a strop
38:47because he
38:47put his
38:48arm
38:48around
38:48a
38:48woman
38:49you
38:49are
38:49in
38:49an
38:50he's
38:51not
38:51giving
38:51that
38:52whole
38:52story
38:52he
38:52put
38:53his
38:53arm
38:53around
38:53the
38:53woman
38:53and he
38:54touched
38:54her
38:55there
38:55as he
38:56was
38:56looking
38:56at
38:56the
38:56pictures
38:57on
38:57the
38:57thing
38:57and
38:57that's
38:57why
38:58I
38:58flicked
38:58I was like
38:58oh my god
38:59did you
38:59touch her
39:00intimately
39:00well I don't
39:01remember it
39:02but she
39:02says I
39:02did
39:03why is he
39:03doing a
39:04lie
39:04detector
39:04because
39:05at the
39:06beginning
39:06of the
39:06relationship
39:07he had
39:07gone
39:07around
39:08that
39:08girl's
39:08house
39:08not
39:09very
39:09good
39:09he
39:10always
39:10accusing
39:11me
39:11right
39:11at the
39:11beginning
39:12always
39:12accusing
39:12me
39:13of
39:13cheating
39:13and I
39:13just
39:14wonder
39:14why
39:14is he
39:14so
39:15paranoid
39:15about
39:15what
39:16I'm
39:16doing
39:16nothing
39:16happened
39:17in that
39:18hotel
39:18room
39:18no
39:19but you
39:19showed
39:20the
39:20bloke
39:20a picture
39:20of your
39:21boobs
39:21despite
39:23the fact
39:23that you
39:24were indeed
39:24naked
39:25next to
39:25him
39:25yes
39:26I
39:27swear
39:27it'll
39:28be
39:28proven
39:29it'll
39:29be
39:29proven
39:30ok guys
39:32stay tuned
39:33because after
39:33the break
39:33those double
39:34lie detector
39:35results
39:35are on
39:35this
39:35show
39:36I'm
39:36right
39:36back
39:36you
39:37gonna
39:37pass
39:37this
39:37Kayla
39:38yeah
39:39should
39:39do
39:39sorry
39:40should
39:41do
39:41should
39:42do
39:43bye
39:44do you
39:52have a
39:53problem
39:53and need
39:53help
39:54from the
39:54show
39:54perhaps
39:55you're
39:55at war
39:55with your
39:55family
39:56or loved
39:56ones
39:57or maybe
39:57you need
39:57the truth
39:58and only
39:58a DNA
39:59or lie
39:59detector
39:59test
40:00can help
40:00you
40:00now if
40:01you're
40:0116 years
40:02of age
40:02or over
40:02and you
40:02want to
40:03be
40:03considered
40:03for the
40:03show
40:03text
40:04the word
40:04talk
40:04today
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40:05name
40:05to
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40:16from other
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40:20can go to
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40:24Jeremy Kyle
40:24thank you guys
40:33welcome back
40:34so I'm approaching
40:34the end of this
40:35show and ultimately
40:36the end of this
40:36series
40:37next week we're
40:38heading into a
40:38brand new autumn
40:39season of the
40:40Jeremy Kyle
40:40show we'll have
40:40more guests on
40:41this stage with
40:42heartbreaking stories
40:43lie detectors
40:44DNA tests
40:45family feuds
40:46exes at war
40:47you name it my
40:47friends will have
40:48it now though
40:49let's continue
40:50with my last
40:51story on today's
40:51show
40:52we're going to
40:54we're going to
40:54we're going to
40:54start with your
40:54lie detector results
40:56and then we're
40:56going to do
40:56Luke's as ever
40:58please William
40:58we will read the
40:59questions that were
41:00asked the answers
41:01that were given
41:02are you going to
41:03pass this Kayla
41:03yeah I should do
41:05sorry
41:06I should do
41:07should do
41:08don't know what else
41:09to buy
41:10since you first
41:13started your
41:13relationship with
41:14Luke apart from
41:14the one person
41:15that he knows
41:16about have you
41:17had sexual
41:17intercourse with
41:18any other person
41:19you answered
41:20no
41:21you were lying
41:26weren't you
41:27oh my god
41:28no I was not
41:30no this is wrong
41:32I'm telling you
41:33I'm one of the
41:34four percent
41:35it's wrong
41:36I'm going to walk
41:37off the stage now
41:38why don't you
41:38stay for the rest
41:39of it
41:39because I don't
41:40know what to do
41:40I didn't
41:41I didn't sleep
41:43with anybody else
41:43why don't you
41:44listen to the rest
41:44then
41:45you asked for it
41:47apart from him
41:48kissing you
41:49did you have any
41:50other sexual
41:50contact with the
41:51man that Luke
41:52caught you in bed
41:53with on holiday
41:53you said no
41:54and I never
41:56apart from kissing
41:58him
41:58I didn't kiss him
42:00he kissed me
42:00on my lips
42:01apart from him
42:01kissing you
42:02did you have
42:02any other sexual
42:03contact with the
42:04man Luke caught
42:04you with in bed
42:06on holiday
42:06yeah
42:06yeah
42:07you said no
42:08yeah
42:08you were lying
42:09I can't believe
42:11this is Joe
42:11I'm telling you
42:12this now
42:12that bloke
42:13that did that
42:14lie detector
42:14he didn't believe
42:15me when I was
42:16explaining the story
42:16we asked you
42:17did you have
42:18sexual intercourse
42:19with the man
42:19Luke caught you
42:20in bed with
42:21on holiday
42:21you said no
42:24this test says
42:26that you're a
42:27complete
42:27compulsive
42:28I'm going
42:29no I really
42:38haven't
42:38I really didn't
42:40sleep with that
42:40boy
42:41I really didn't
42:42sleep with him
42:42I swear down
42:44my son's life
42:45I didn't sleep
42:46with him
42:47I didn't sleep
42:48with him
42:48can I suggest
42:49something
42:49can I suggest
42:50something
42:51no
42:51I think we need
42:52to do his results
42:53and I don't know
42:54them either
42:54let's do this
42:55and we'll talk
42:55about it
42:55come on
42:56come on
42:57the whole world
42:58it doesn't matter
43:01what the world
43:01thinks
43:02it matters
43:02surely what
43:03Luke thinks
43:03you ask for
43:04the truth
43:05we give you
43:05the lie detector
43:06we say it's
43:0696% effective
43:08you failed it
43:09what do you want
43:10me to do
43:10you might be
43:11one of the
43:12four out of
43:12a hundred
43:12Luke
43:14are you
43:16listening
43:16we asked Luke
43:20since you first
43:21started your
43:21relationship with
43:22Kayla
43:22apart from the
43:23one person
43:24she knows about
43:25have you had
43:26sexual intercourse
43:27with any other
43:28person
43:28he said no
43:29he was telling
43:30the truth
43:31he was telling
43:32the truth
43:32I haven't done
43:35it
43:36I swear
43:36I'm not
43:37saying
43:38no longer
43:39Luke
43:39do you want
43:40wait for the
43:40rest of it
43:41and stop
43:41clouncing off
43:42and acting
43:42like a child
43:43sit down
43:44sit down
43:45I did not
43:46do nothing
43:46and it's
43:47making the
43:47world look
43:48at me
43:48like I'm
43:48little
43:48I didn't
43:49do nothing
43:50we asked
43:51Luke
43:51since you
43:52first started
43:52your
43:53relationship
43:53with
43:54Kayla
43:54to me
43:55since you
43:57first started
43:58your relationship
43:58with Kayla
43:59apart from
43:59the one
44:00person
44:00she knows
44:01about
44:01have you
44:02passionately
44:02kissed
44:02any other
44:03person
44:03he said
44:04no
44:05he was
44:08lying
44:08Kayla
44:09I don't
44:12think so
44:12no
44:14I'm telling you
44:14this now
44:15I don't
44:16come back
44:16for him
44:17I don't
44:17then we
44:18asked him
44:18since you
44:19first started
44:19your relationship
44:20with Kayla
44:20apart from
44:21the one
44:21person
44:21she knows
44:22about
44:22have you
44:22had sexual
44:23contact
44:23with any
44:24other
44:24person
44:24and he
44:24said
44:25no
44:25this
44:27says
44:27you're
44:27lying
44:28as well
44:28no
44:28what
44:30what about
44:31when you
44:31were drunk
44:31what if
44:32you know
44:32what you
44:32said
44:33I can't
44:33do it
44:34just ignore
44:34this
44:35I believe
44:35you
44:36do you
44:36know why
44:36because
44:37I swear
44:37I know
44:38I ain't
44:39I don't care
44:40about you
44:40but the main
44:42thing is
44:42you know
44:42we've got
44:43two kids
44:44to scale
44:44you know
44:46what's
44:47happening
44:48I don't
44:49care what's
44:49happening
44:50in the past
44:50or anything
44:51I want
44:52you
44:53and I want
44:54you
44:54and I want
44:55to marry
44:55you
44:55and I want
44:56our boys
44:57to grow up
44:58together
44:58do you know
44:59what else
45:00matters in
45:00this world
45:01he's
45:05bearing
45:06his soul
45:06on national
45:07television
45:07and all
45:08you are
45:08doing
45:08is thinking
45:09about your
45:09damn
45:09reputation
45:10missus
45:11you are
45:11missing
45:11the point
45:12look at
45:12him
45:12he doesn't
45:14care about
45:14that
45:15I've said
45:16it
45:16I'll say
45:16it again
45:16straight down
45:17camera
45:17you might
45:18be
45:18one of
45:18the four
45:19out of
45:19a hundred
45:20we've
45:20always
45:20said
45:20it's
45:2096%
45:21effective
45:22but I
45:22have
45:22said
45:22to
45:22you
45:23you
45:23put
45:23yourself
45:24actually
45:24in a
45:25dangerous
45:25position
45:26you put
45:26yourself
45:26in a
45:27position
45:27that
45:27could
45:27have
45:28been
45:28by
45:29anybody's
45:30standards
45:30misconstrued
45:31and all
45:31you're
45:32bothered
45:32about
45:32is what
45:33the people
45:33might
45:33think
45:33he's
45:33of a
45:34man
45:34who's
45:34saying
45:34I
45:35love
45:35you
45:35I
45:36want
45:36to
46:00me
46:00if
46:00I
46:01cheated
46:01on
46:01him
46:01I
46:01wouldn't
46:01even
46:02come
46:02here
46:02it
46:03isn't
46:03about
46:03that
46:04do
46:05you
46:05know
46:05what
46:05I
46:05say
46:05to
46:05people
46:05they
46:06come
46:06on
46:06the
46:06show
46:06and they
46:06go
46:06lie
46:07detector
46:07results
46:08I'm going to find out the truth and then it's going to be great
46:10those don't make a relationship and they shouldn't break a relationship
46:15this guy's not going right you dirty mare I'm not interested
46:18this guy's going I want to marry you I want to be with you I don't care what the rest of the world thinks look at me missus
46:23because I happen to think he's a diamond and I think you'd have to go a long way
46:27you did put yourself in a dangerous stupid immature ridiculous position
46:32now if they want to judge you from their past as they judge people every day because that's human damn nature it's one of the worst things about the human race
46:40forget them
46:42he
46:43wants to be with you
46:44what do they matter do you want to be with him
46:47yes
46:48so what does it matter
46:50this man over here graham can help you guys get this relationship far above all these people
46:56it should be about you two and your boys that's what he wants
47:00let us help you please
47:02stop being stubborn
47:05give him a hug graham you jump in give him a round of applause ladies and gentlemen
47:10well i am out of time for this morning please please make sure you tune in next monday the
47:15brand new series will kick off and i promise you it will kick off with a bang i want to thank all of today's former guests of course this lovely audience in the studio
47:22but most of all as ever my friends thank you to you for watching at home i'll see you very soon take care bye bye for now
47:27who attacked me in your house and pulled out from the air out and i meant to be sleeping around i'm sorry mum but it's yours
47:43i'm not going to be sleeping around
47:45excuse me
47:46you don't regret having kids
47:47no
47:48but you're not a dad are you
47:49oh
47:50quite a lot to cope with my
47:5119
47:52whilst it's a lot to cope with
47:55why did you do it then
47:57you planned a baby with another woman
47:59while your missus was at home with your two kids
48:02i'd be quite finished
48:03not yet son i haven't even started
48:05she's bought your kids up she's buffed your kids
48:08clothed your kids
48:09she had to pull my kids up
48:10if you find out today that in fact she was telling the truth and she has had sex with his local hands
48:15god
48:16i just don't want to
48:22that's what you do isn't it
48:23you swear and you're rude
48:25let's do those all important dna results please
48:28and you don't have any guilt for it
48:30shut up
48:32you
49:02you
49:03you
49:06it
49:08and you
49:11you
49:13you
49:15you
49:17you
49:19you
49:21you
49:23you
49:25you
49:27you