How does social media impact us?
With Johann Chuckaree
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00:39So with me today, always a pleasure.
00:42George Gonzalez, the one and only.
00:45Icon.
00:45Your personality.
00:47I like Icon.
00:48Icon.
00:50No, I think we're good with that.
00:51Icon, a living legend.
00:53Now when you're past 50, everybody's called you a living legend.
00:57And in more ways than one.
01:00But we'll get into that.
01:01To his right, the one and only Johan Chukri.
01:04Yeah.
01:05Talented too.
01:06Talented.
01:07Musician.
01:08Panis.
01:08You know, someone who's really changed the game.
01:10Businessman.
01:10We're going to talk a bit more about that.
01:12Businessman.
01:13And you know, as Jay-Z once said, I'm a businessman.
01:17So...
01:17We have a lot of reference.
01:18We have a lot of reference.
01:19Good job.
01:20Good job.
01:21I like that.
01:21Yeah, I try.
01:22I try.
01:22You know, I sit down on his seat for a reason.
01:26Niall McNeish needs no introduction.
01:29Provocateur.
01:30Hey, I'm going to be provocateur.
01:32Provocateur.
01:32I'm going to stop you later.
01:33I'm going to stop you later.
01:33I'm going to stop you later.
01:33I'm going to stop you later.
01:33I'm going to stop you later.
01:34You know, many other names.
01:35Vibes.
01:35I like the vibes.
01:36So, our topic today, gents, and to our viewing audience, we really appreciate that you
01:44take the time to hear what we have to say.
01:46Because we sit here with the, again, with the only intention for, is to make someone's
01:52life, including ours, better.
01:54Indeed.
01:55And one thing that we, you know, I always find is that we start off with a particular topic
01:59and I have a particular opinion going into it.
02:02And then by the end, my mind is blown.
02:06I'm more open-minded about it.
02:08And even though I mightn't still agree with a particular perspective, I'm now more open
02:14to...
02:14It's a different way of looking at it.
02:17Another way, you know, and respect to that.
02:21So, the topic that we really wanted to discuss today with two legends in their own right is
02:28basically, are we losing ourselves to social media?
02:34Are we losing ourselves to other types of influences in this new forum, this new, the many new ways
02:45of consuming through technology?
02:51Are we losing ourselves?
02:52Are we becoming different?
02:54And is our behavior being impacted?
02:56So, you know, I'm really happy to have George and Johan on.
03:03I keep going to say Johansi, you know, because we've been saying Johansi today.
03:07And Johan, because, George, in your own right, you are indeed a living legend.
03:13And your form initially, in the same way Calypso came about, where a message, you know, you'd
03:19go into the forums, et cetera, and people will turn up to actually listen to what the message
03:25is in the country.
03:26You were known, you know, you brought so much laughter to people.
03:30And the way to consume that would be either, you know, at that point, you'd go on, you
03:34have to look at TTT, or you go to a forum and watch it.
03:40And radio, of course, you know, your popular radio shows, et cetera.
03:44So, and then Johan, you are the new part of it.
03:47You know, the, you know, it's young and you've taken Pan, which is in some ways becoming a
03:52lost art form.
03:54And you change the game.
03:56You know, you're now in all effects.
03:57Breathe life into it.
03:59Breathe life into it almost.
04:00You were part of Marshall's, um, Marshall's, um, soul, soul of Calypso.
04:05Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:05Um, you know, you're doing so many different things.
04:08And the way you, um, play the Pan, because I was told once by a co-alith at MITCO, um,
04:15another legend, you know, that, you know, I always hear people say, you don't beat the
04:19Pan, but you don't beat a Pan, because if you beat the Pan, you'll go out of tune.
04:23You actually play the Pan.
04:24Interesting.
04:25Again, you've changed, you've really changed games.
04:28I'm really happy, um, and grateful that you, you know, I have both of you here on set,
04:33um, to talk about, you know, like, have that discussion about your thoughts on how, are we
04:39losing, are we losing ourselves?
04:41And how much do we feel with that impacting the behaviors of people now and our social
04:46skills?
04:47I have a social media person that takes care of me and the things I do and whatever.
04:54And it's amazing what he said, because I'm doing, I'm doing some TikTok videos and what
05:01they, yeah.
05:02And what they want is, they're looking at the other TikTok and say, George, this is what
05:08they're competing.
05:09And I said, no, they're competing with me.
05:12I need to do me.
05:14I, because as you just said, rightfully, you're going to lose yourself because everybody's going
05:19to try to compete with everybody.
05:21And that's not who I am.
05:23This is who I am.
05:24I talk, I make people laugh.
05:26That's who I am.
05:27If you take off your clothes, that's who you are.
05:30But I don't need to take off mine because I need to know what I got at and, and stick
05:34to, I'll stick to that.
05:36But you don't mind if they take off their clothes?
05:38Well, definitely not.
05:39I have those videos still on my phone.
05:42I put a different card just for that, you know?
05:45Yeah.
05:46I bought it pro bono.
05:51Guys, go check out the hidden folder.
05:53Anyway, so, but George, quick question.
05:55So, where did you see the difference happening in terms, okay, so back in the day, and I
06:00don't want to age you, right?
06:02But back in the day, you're on stage, you know, with the, with the likes of Larry
06:11Joseph, Tommy Joseph, Larry Joseph as well.
06:15You're right, right?
06:16And, um.
06:17Errol Fabian.
06:18Errol Fabian.
06:19And then you move forward into this modern age where now you're making TikTok videos,
06:24right?
06:24Would you say that, and I don't want you to be biased, where back in the day was the
06:30greater era or now where you could reach anybody at any time?
06:34You don't have to wait on people to come to see you anymore.
06:36You could literally go out and read that.
06:39And that's where the problem lies.
06:40So, when you're doing a comedy show, you don't want people to videotape it because I could
06:46take the same material and go Canada and do it because Canada wasn't in New York.
06:52With technology, if you videotape it, I can't, once I say it once, I can't say it again because
06:58everybody wrongly will know it.
07:00So, it works against you.
07:02It will work for you.
07:03But let me just pause and just press on the fact that, um, let's, let's not date ourselves
07:10and keep saying videotape.
07:16Well, there was an older audience when I was on stage.
07:20No, no, but you know.
07:20That is who it felt, you know.
07:22No, no.
07:22They will take it.
07:23They used to take it.
07:25Pardon me.
07:25They used to take it with their phones or cameras.
07:28That was our camcorder.
07:29And when we leave in New York to come back home, they have DVDs selling.
07:36Oh, with the other show.
07:37With us.
07:37Wow.
07:38Wow.
07:38That we were there two days ago.
07:40And they don't even know it's me or it's Aaron.
07:43They're trying to sell it.
07:43They're trying to sell it.
07:45They say they love this show.
07:46It's the greatest Caribbean show.
07:48I like that.
07:49Ten dollars on a cent.
07:50No, well, well, then my question would be then actually it forcing you to be better as
07:55a comedian because now you're pumping on more jokes.
07:58Well, that is not always better.
08:01So there's us people, if you go to a good comedy show, let's say you come to Ireland
08:07myself and we do this kit with Lavant Hill, Lavant Hill, you will fall on PN.
08:14Right.
08:15But when you go home, you will tell Johan, boy, if you see the show, they have this piece
08:21where they do Lavant Hill.
08:23So he's committed to see the same piece.
08:26He don't want to see something new.
08:27Okay.
08:28Because he wants to see what you laughed at and you laughed at.
08:31It's like when you go to a Broadway, for example, if that Broadway is immediately aired,
08:36then you're not going to want to go.
08:37Correct.
08:38You want to go and see what everybody is talking about and experience it itself.
08:41What I would say, though, is, you know, as you brought up social media, we talk about, there's
08:50a term, delayed gratification and the importance of that.
08:54Right.
08:55And that's in many ways, in pleasure, in, it could be diet, it could mean all of these
09:00different things.
09:01All of it is a positive thing, delayed gratification.
09:04And what we're seeing now is immediate.
09:07Instant.
09:07Everything is instant.
09:09You know, something happens, immediately seeing it.
09:11Now, that could be good if it's an earthquake, if it's a volcanic eruption, if it's crime.
09:16If it's information.
09:17If it's information like that, that for your safety or something, you know, where you want
09:21to share a photo or conversation, there are benefits to social media.
09:26There are benefits to that.
09:27We're not, we're not denying that, but there's also the, the, the many negatives.
09:34I agree, but I would, I would challenge as a resident, provocateur.
09:38Yeah, of course.
09:38Right.
09:40I would have it no other way.
09:41What's wrong with instant gratification?
09:43Like, you understand what I'm saying?
09:45Right.
09:45Before, yes, we were forced to have delayed gratification.
09:50We only had, you only had it.
09:51But now with the option, I think that it's unfair for a modern generation to be looked
09:57down upon.
09:57Not to say that that's what's happening currently.
09:59Right.
10:00But a modern generation to be looked upon and say, yo, you're getting things too easy,
10:04which is usually the cry that I hear from older, older folks.
10:06Right.
10:07But y'all, the older generation work hard to give the young people that.
10:11As the young person here, right.
10:13I just, I just, I just gonna say that.
10:15I just gonna say that.
10:16I just gonna say that.
10:17Let's just, let's, let's, let's change that.
10:21Can we get somebody else?
10:22As a, as a young guest person.
10:24All right.
10:25Yeah.
10:25Cause I'm really not that young anymore.
10:27The guest.
10:27The guest.
10:27The guest.
10:28Yeah.
10:28All right.
10:28I will take that.
10:29I will say that.
10:30No.
10:30I appreciate it.
10:32I appreciate it.
10:33No, but I think, you know, to me, social media is a double-edged sword.
10:36I, in my personal experience, I've enjoyed the reach it has given me because to get that
10:42reach, I'd have to tour.
10:43I'd have to travel.
10:44I'd have to, and with me as well, with Pan, Pan is still something that is relatively new to
10:47our international audience.
10:48But we have a lot of people who know it, but they are custom hearing a man playing yellow
10:53bird on a jetty overlooking a nice blue water.
10:56With a flower shirt.
10:56With a flower shirt.
10:57Right.
10:58Right.
10:59And so when I go and I perform internationally, they say, where is this from?
11:02This from Jamaica?
11:03Of course.
11:03I, it's Gemma Rell Vex.
11:04Right.
11:05But with social media, I can represent Trinidad and Tobago and say, hey, it come from here.
11:09Hey, this is what it is.
11:10This is how you correctly play it.
11:12This is what it's supposed to song like.
11:13Not an outer tune, old barrel that a man find in the corner.
11:16So to me, that, that is the positive of it, the negative of it now.
11:21And I say it's a double-edged sword and it really has to do with instant gratification.
11:24There are some times in my life over the last 10 years, I think I was one of the first
11:28panists on social media pushing that.
11:30I remember I was on Facebook and everybody said, God boy, I only seen your sponsored
11:33content, but everywhere I look are seen here.
11:36And that was a good thing for me.
11:37I am getting the instant gratification.
11:39When somebody likes a video, share a video, and you've seen half a million people, 500,000
11:43views, and you've seen 3,000, 4,000 likes, and you've seen shares, you're feeling good
11:46about yourself.
11:48But it's an animal.
11:49It's something that you have to keep feeding.
11:51Yeah.
11:51And so all of a sudden now, right, that can turn into addiction.
11:56So for me now is every day, hey, who comment?
11:58Who like?
11:58Who comment?
11:59Who like?
11:59What's the notification?
12:00What's going on?
12:01Right now, I will tell you, all the notifications are my phone on silent.
12:05Everything is muted.
12:06And that was my way of detoxing and dealing with that situation.
12:10Because on a daily basis, now I'm waking up in the morning, before I go and take a pee,
12:14before I brush my teeth, I on Instagram, I on Facebook.
12:16That is true.
12:17That's not healthy.
12:18Don't silence it.
12:19Try a venny.
12:20That is healthy.
12:21Detox.
12:22That is healthy for detox.
12:25Listen now.
12:26They say to listen to your elders, I just might have to take a recipe.
12:33Yes.
12:34You know?
12:34I just need to put a disclaimer.
12:37That's not going to say.
12:38You need a disclaimer.
12:39The views and opinions expressed by other people.
12:43I don't say anything that I don't mean.
12:45I am Venezuelan.
12:47I was born in Venezuela.
12:48So I soy Venezuelano.
12:50You know what I mean?
12:51That's the line.
12:52He's used right to.
12:53Right to try to die.
12:54I remember asking my dad, dad, why Venezuela?
12:57You see, but I'll show him out and swim.
12:59Because I, you know, it was, but I was born in Caracas.
13:02Because I could, I'm allowed to say venny.
13:04All right.
13:05But, but to your point, right?
13:06That you just said, and you said that the worry was the addiction.
13:09But isn't the laughs for you the same, the same level of, I need more of this as the
13:16same way that you had real life?
13:17It's dopamine.
13:18It's a form of, you know, you, you, you, you, you.
13:20It's the reward.
13:21It's the reward of that.
13:22And you always find that, you know, a lot of musicians or people in any space where you're
13:26getting a lot of those, that, that, that, you know, adoration, you know, you're, when
13:32that drops, people sometimes turn to drugs.
13:34They turn to other forms to continue to get that, that, that high.
13:39Because it, because it is a high.
13:40But I want to, I want to just bring it back because I know we could get really carried
13:45away and talk about social media.
13:46And as much as it's an important topic and it does have its own place, place in terms
13:53of positive and negative.
13:55I want to speak specifically to, are we, do we think the lost art based on this instant
14:02gratification is having an impact on our young men and women?
14:06But from a social perspective, are we more, are we behind, you know, always behind an
14:11iPad on Facebook?
14:13As you said, first thing you get in the morning.
14:15Last thing you do in the night, first thing you do in the morning.
14:17You're waking up in the middle of the night to check.
14:19And so in my, in my view, yes, I think it's having a bad impact.
14:22I think it's having a negative impact.
14:24A lot of young people, younger people, and even people, my generation, even millennials
14:29then, socially interacting in a physical way is becoming difficult.
14:35Awkward.
14:35Expressing, expressing your emotion in a physical way is becoming more difficult.
14:40Everybody, you want to break up with that girl, you want to break up with that, so with
14:42somebody, you send a text.
14:44And to me, it's so cold.
14:45It's so impersonal.
14:46You're losing the true emotion of what a human interaction is.
14:50And so in that instance, to me, that's a big negative thing that I think we need to
14:53pull back.
14:53A lot of it is when you put, let me say you put two individuals in a room, they pull out
14:58their phone.
14:58That's the first thing you do.
14:59When you feel, when you feel uncomfortable, if I feel uncomfortable in a situation somewhere, the
15:03first thing I just pull out my phone.
15:04And that's wrong.
15:05I don't feel to make friends.
15:07I don't want to ask you, hey, what's your name?
15:08Where are you from?
15:09What's your background?
15:10We don't talk.
15:11We could be sitting down next to each other on a plane, in an airport, in a venue, anywhere.
15:15And you don't know.
15:15And I don't know.
15:16Because I'm on my phone.
15:17Simon Sinek had mentioned that, you know, when you're having a conversation, I want to
15:21respect, even if you're on the dinner table anywhere, when you get your phone, it's not
15:25even a case of taking your phone out and putting it face down.
15:29Apart from the fact that you can imagine all the germs, because people just put the phone
15:32down wherever and you put it on your face.
15:33But that's a whole other conversation.
15:35Put the phone away.
15:37You shouldn't even have it seen.
15:37You shouldn't even have it seen.
15:38Because the fact that you have it anywhere around you, and we do it all the time, is
15:43your attention could be on that.
15:44And we hear people say it all the time.
15:47We don't check voicemail again.
15:48But you're checking voice notes.
15:49Correct.
15:49Or people would rather send a message than a phone call.
15:53But we need to take a break.
15:55We'll always tell you what we have a chat with outside the break.
15:59Sort of make sure that there's no more profanity than is necessary to get a message across.
16:07So, take a short break.
16:10This is Manhood.
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16:26George, Johan, Niall, we're talking about the lost form, lost arts, and how that might
16:34be impacting behavior.
16:37Are we lost behind our metal devices?
16:41Are we lost in social media?
16:43Are we using the phones as a crutch?
16:46And apart from just looking at social media, how is it impacting our behavior?
16:52Are we mentally more stressed as a result?
16:55Are we socially awkward?
16:57What is happening, and what does that lead to?
16:59Could that then lead to the pent-up frustrations where we now deal with things in an appropriate
17:06manner, not knowing where to, because we're lost in these other forms?
17:11We don't know how to deal with that.
17:11We don't know.
17:12My son, I have a son.
17:13He's 34 years old.
17:15Scott.
17:16Anyway.
17:16And he is in the era of the phone.
17:21Right.
17:22So, if it is, and it's very antisocial, if it is that we need to fix the air conditioning
17:30in the car, I'll say, Scott, call ABC and tell him, you call him now, because he don't
17:37have that one-on-one interaction with a human being.
17:40He don't know how to do that.
17:42He don't.
17:43Well, I mean, if he's calling someone named ABC.
17:47Well, I don't want to give nobody no free, no free license.
17:50I mean, that's what's up.
17:51The person needs to get a...
17:53Okay, let's call him, make up our name.
17:55Jeff.
17:56Jeff.
17:57Wow.
17:57My name's Jeff.
17:59Yeah, yeah.
17:59No, but I would say, even back in the day, I was, I used to be pensive of even calling
18:03the pizza man when I had a rotary phone.
18:05So, I can't accept that social media and phones do it now to the younger generation.
18:10So, it is, Niall.
18:12Niall, I dated a girl and I would see her.
18:16No?
18:17Huh?
18:17No?
18:18Well, I mean, this was, this was some time ago.
18:21What was this?
18:22What was this?
18:22Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:23Ah, okay, okay.
18:23Sounds like that.
18:24I mean, I did from time to time.
18:26I agree.
18:27And so, the, and her friends would come over and I would see them all on their phones messaging
18:35someone else, right?
18:37The other friends.
18:39And then leave by us to go to those same friends and then message her.
18:45So, people are being lost in these devices.
18:48I, I used to go out with a girl, my ex-girlfriend, and as I pick up, she on her phone.
18:55And after the second, I stopped, I said, is either me or the phone?
18:59If I, if I is your man, I need to get attention.
19:04Not whatever that is.
19:05You need to either leave that room, put it in your hand back.
19:08But that is a no-no.
19:09Once I hear, that is a no-no.
19:11And in the heights, for me, I so much different, right?
19:13I actually like the fact that my phone could babysit.
19:15And you're single now, aren't you?
19:16I am single now.
19:18Now you know why.
19:19Now you know why.
19:21No, but I used to really like the fact that my phone could almost, and this grand song horrible,
19:25babysit my girlfriend for a little bit.
19:27Just, just so I don't have to mentally give any kind of, I don't mind being in the same space with you.
19:32I'll hug up with you and we could be, I can.
19:33Because you want to go on a device yourself.
19:36So, yeah, so, my question is actually accurate.
19:38Isn't it?
19:39You want her phone to babysit her so that you could go on your device.
19:42So, your phone babysit you, correct?
19:44Right.
19:44Mind blown.
19:45Mind blown.
19:46That's it.
19:46That's it.
19:48That's it.
19:48That's it.
19:49Explosions.
19:50Okay.
19:51And a lot of people are, I remember looking at this skit yesterday, right?
19:57See technology.
19:59I remember looking at this skit and the woman, her boyfriend was looking at TV and she said,
20:05can I see your phone?
20:06And he said, sure.
20:07Gave her the password and she entered the phone.
20:09And she's like, but you have nobody in your DMs.
20:12You have, you know, you've not liked anybody.
20:14What's going on here?
20:15And she was upset because she had become accustomed to that behavior, expecting to see something
20:21because part of her understands that she had to be upset.
20:25Yeah.
20:25And if she's not being upset by that, something's wrong in that relationship.
20:29Like what kind of man you are?
20:31Who are you with?
20:31Exactly.
20:32You have to be a psychopath.
20:36You have to be a psychopath if you're not doing that.
20:38And this is part of what we've come to accept.
20:43I agree.
20:44I totally agree.
20:44As I go up in this high-pitched tone.
20:46I am not having dinner with you, for you to be on your phone and I paying $500 and not
20:54doing that.
20:55I'll give you a small story.
20:57I went to dinner with a girl and we're having dinner.
21:02And all I said, all I said was, I'm having a great evening.
21:08I hope it continues.
21:10And the answer was, George, no, I lie.
21:14George Gonzalez.
21:16Do you think we having sex tonight?
21:20You lie.
21:21I said, why would you reach there?
21:24Why, you know?
21:26And by the way, why we calves?
21:29Just right away.
21:31Just asking.
21:31No, I hear that.
21:35Just to say that, you know, I've been in a similar situation.
21:38And she said, if you think we're having sex tonight, right?
21:40But it was daytime.
21:41So I said, okay, well, if not tonight.
21:44No, I mean, it's still day.
21:46It's still day.
21:48Why not write that?
21:49And then let's give you this long story of, you know, I don't have sex on my first date.
21:54And, you know, I have a lot of things going on.
21:57And I'm saying, you know, like, what?
22:00I said, the bill came, $592.
22:02I paid in $92.
22:04She said, the $500.
22:06I said, I don't pay bills on my first date.
22:08I have a lot of things going on.
22:11You know what I mean?
22:13Because they need to understand, it's not.
22:14My problem is, if I go on a date with you, I'm not going on a date with you, and you're a million friends on the phone.
22:23That's not what it is.
22:24If I have to go, let's go to cinema, don't make the mistake and ask me on what show.
22:28You're going with me.
22:30That's all that matters.
22:31What are we going to see?
22:32We're going to see.
22:33But, guys, you're going on a date, and I want to hear everybody's opinion on this.
22:37Whether it be a date, whether it be your friends, whether it be someone that you are already in a long-term relationship for,
22:43and every minute is a...
22:46Oh, no.
22:47This is the...
22:49All right, all right, all right, all right.
22:50So, again, and I want to present this to everyone that's listening and viewing.
22:54This is not a condemnation of social media.
22:59Social media has many benefits.
23:01Maybe the benefits might even outweigh the negatives.
23:05What we're having is a discussion here as to maybe look and learn about how your behavior is impacting someone else.
23:12In your case, your mind was gorgeous now.
23:14I really learned something.
23:14As you're thinking to yourself, hey, this is babysitting.
23:17No, it's because you know me to get your fix.
23:19I was looking at babysitting.
23:20I was getting babysitting.
23:22Babysat as well.
23:23Exactly.
23:23So, my thing is...
23:24I didn't see it.
23:24I was blinded.
23:25Why?
23:26And you see a lot of concerts as well who are doing it saying, put your phones away.
23:29Correct.
23:29Because sometimes being in the moment is more important than capturing it on your phone.
23:34Because you go back afterwards and you're like, ah, look, again, you're looking to get your fix.
23:39I need to post this or I need to show it so people can know where I was.
23:42I was there.
23:43All the different things.
23:45Now, as personalities, we do it.
23:48And a lot of that is because that's part of our role.
23:53We need to be relevant.
23:54Let's face it.
23:55You need to be relevant.
23:56Correct.
23:56And our fix is content and likes.
24:00And we're looking at that.
24:02And if you post something, you actually have 20,000 followers and your engagement is two people.
24:08That's a problem.
24:09Yeah.
24:09Because probably what you have is more haters or people are just, hey, that's a trendy thing to do.
24:14Let me see what's happening in case anything, you know.
24:17So, is it a dopamine addiction issue that we're having and less about social media and phones?
24:26Because that's a different conversation.
24:27Because it likes you want.
24:28You need your attention.
24:30It's irrelevant.
24:30The likes is dopamine.
24:32That's what that's what I'm trying to do.
24:34You can relate that dopamine to many other different things, too.
24:37Not just social media.
24:38From a man's point of view, you can relate that dopamine to pornography.
24:40You can go and watch porn and self-gratify and instant gratification.
24:44I have a...
24:44Yeah, you see, we have a story supporter here.
24:46I have a serious...
24:46I have names and addresses around.
24:48I have a porn addiction and serious work.
24:50So, that also is a dopamine addiction.
24:53It also is a fix.
24:54It also is...
24:56I want gratification now.
24:57I want to deal with this now.
24:58I want this feeling.
24:59I want this happiness.
25:00And so, that's...
25:02It is a dopamine addiction at the end of the day.
25:04But the devices are providing that.
25:06So, social media might provide that to somebody.
25:07Porn might provide that to somebody.
25:09I don't know what else besides social media.
25:11I'm going to relate right now.
25:12Drugs.
25:13Drugs, yeah.
25:13Agreed.
25:14Sex as well.
25:15Exactly.
25:16So, Johan...
25:16And that's why I want you to touch on yourself and George.
25:19We are...
25:20No, you're not...
25:20I'm not touching George.
25:21I don't...
25:22Yeah.
25:22Thank God.
25:23I don't touch...
25:24I don't touch myself.
25:26I don't touch George.
25:27But not on the show.
25:29No touching at work.
25:30At all.
25:30At all, yeah.
25:31You know, keep your hands to yourself.
25:33And not on yourself.
25:35That's nothing but the gingas is.
25:36Correct.
25:37Or you can have a, you know, a reboot.
25:39A reboot.
25:40So, what I want to get from you guys is...
25:43It is a fix.
25:45It is a fix whether it's a fix you're having, you know, positive in your life.
25:49Or whether it's as a negative in your life and you're looking to be immersed in that social media to bring yourself out of whatever situation you're in and into a world that somehow is giving you some form of peace, right?
26:04Or presence to go that additional day, right?
26:07Which happens to a lot of us.
26:08You need that moment.
26:09You need that mental day.
26:10Is it Kesat Sang?
26:11I need that mental day.
26:13I'm asking you...
26:14So, if we're saying it's a fix, we need the likes, the difference in George in your time where the likes were people in the audience, people turning up, and the adoration for George Gonzalez, Errol Fabian, Tommy Joseph, the likes, yeah?
26:32That was your fix.
26:35And now you're transitioning into another form on TikTok, on Facebook, and in your case, you know, a national instrument that you are now taking to another level.
26:46Dick.
26:47What is the future?
26:48What is the future to continue?
26:49There's no difference, Robert, Johan...
26:54Niall.
26:55Niall.
26:55Niall is good.
26:56Provocative.
26:59I did drugs for 12 years.
27:01I did crack cocaine.
27:02There's no difference between crack cocaine and the social media.
27:07There's no difference.
27:08That's a strong statement.
27:10I want you, George, to talk to your camera.
27:13I was addicted to crack.
27:15The bottle was the phone.
27:19And I got...
27:20And I could not...
27:21And the reasons are the same.
27:23Everything that happened to me, I was very not sociable because you're on drugs.
27:29So, just that cocaine, you reach the end a lot faster than any other drug.
27:36And I think, I think the phone is a drug because it's, it's not, it's, it's negative to everybody.
27:45I tell you, I watch it with my son.
27:48He will sit down and not speak to anybody for the entire night because you're on his phone.
27:52The first thing to put out is the phone.
27:55And that is not right.
27:56That is...
27:57You don't know who's sitting on next to you.
28:00You don't know the idea.
28:01You just don't know.
28:02Because you have this thing in your head to pull you out of all situations.
28:08You're just going to reach...
28:10You're not...
28:10Just like drugs.
28:11I didn't know that I...
28:14That I was...
28:16I thought I was doing okay.
28:18I'm losing friends.
28:19I'm losing money.
28:20But I thought I was okay.
28:21I had this under control.
28:22You're blinded.
28:23Correct.
28:24Because the addiction takes that over.
28:26It's the same thing with the phone.
28:27You think nothing is wrong.
28:30Until...
28:31Take away the phone now.
28:31And now I have to deal with life without this phone.
28:36And that's where reality comes.
28:38You're not tapped in.
28:38Now you know who's your real physical friend.
28:42Who's your friend.
28:43Touch me up.
28:44Friend.
28:44Not who's your friend.
28:47And that goes a long way.
28:49You have best friends.
28:51Growing up and you would have best friends.
28:52You have best friends.
28:53This society, we don't have best friends.
28:56This is your best friend.
28:57I was thinking that...
28:58Sad.
28:59People before...
29:00As you mentioned rotary phone at the start.
29:01You would just...
29:03You would just turn up.
29:04You would just turn up by a partner.
29:06Correct.
29:06And you know...
29:06Beep, beep, beep.
29:07Well, if you were driving on your bike.
29:09Cling, cling, cling.
29:10However you managed to get by your friend.
29:11Your bike used to go cling, cling, cling.
29:12Yeah, well, no.
29:13The bell.
29:14I never had a bell on my bike, dog.
29:16On the side as well.
29:17You had training wheels, too?
29:18No, no, no, no.
29:19You all didn't have a bell.
29:20Okay, well, I had the GT bike.
29:22You had the basket with your bike.
29:23You all had the basic.
29:24What does the GT stand for?
29:25It was called Cooper.
29:26Yeah, Cooper with the...
29:27Yes.
29:28I had the Cooper.
29:29So you all had the basic model.
29:31Okay, I had that GT model.
29:32I had that bell.
29:32He called back to the GT.
29:34Right?
29:34Like, ha, ha, ha.
29:35When you're coming around the corner, right?
29:36Wow.
29:37So...
29:37All right.
29:38Let's prove any point.
29:39You would pull up by a friend and you would line.
29:42Now, one, you wouldn't take that chance because you automatically tell yourself, you know,
29:48as TST said, call first.
29:51You would make sure that they're home.
29:53But even if you just pulled up, like, in your neighborhood and you pulled up, people
29:57watching, like...
29:59Just so?
29:59Just...
30:00You could have call first.
30:01You could have something, you know.
30:03You could have a message on time.
30:04You're coming.
30:04And it is no longer seen as, you know, that connection has certainly been lost.
30:11And I, in this conversation, you know, we always, you know, I'd normally save it in
30:15the clothes.
30:16But my mind, just like yours, has been blown because a couple of days ago, I was on the
30:23phone, business call, and my son was asking me for if he could watch Netflix or something.
30:31And I generally always try to make sure that no matter what I'm doing, I take a pause and
30:36have time for it because I never know what he's going to ask, or I don't want him to
30:39think, hey, because of whatever's happening here, I can't talk to my dad.
30:45Because then what happens is he then goes and gets lost in another device.
30:48Get to another dad.
30:49Where?
30:49Kind of thing.
30:50Our babysitter.
30:51Right?
30:51Our babysitter.
30:52And I fell short.
30:55I fell short and I said, and I remember not just telling him at the time, I'm on the phone,
31:00but after I came off the phone, I went to him and said, Noah, when you see dad on the
31:05phone, right, please, unless something is wrong, do not come, do not disturb.
31:11And after, in hindsight and in thought, I was like, you know, he's seven.
31:18How much of that is he going to process?
31:21To understand that this is definitely so in need of disturbing dad that I'm going to approach
31:29him with that, or am I not going to mention this at all?
31:32No, you have him.
31:32You have him.
31:33Yeah, correct.
31:33Yeah, calculating and also at seven and also the positives.
31:37Yeah.
31:37The positives that he might have something really that he wants to show me.
31:40To share.
31:41Something on TV.
31:42To share to you, yeah.
31:43That he goes, hey, dad, come and see this.
31:45And if I look at it, it might be something where, you know, now they're putting these
31:49messages on TV and I might be alerted to the father.
31:52Yeah.
31:52But what's the state he's really watching?
31:54Yeah.
31:54And find a way.
31:55And I've stopped that communication by saying, don't disturb me on the phone.
32:00And what he then does is looks at that dad's on the phone.
32:04Find something else.
32:05I find something else.
32:06But he also looks at the phone as stopping his interaction with his father.
32:11And that's learned behavior.
32:13Correct.
32:14He also says the phone has something more important.
32:16You see what you're saying there, Yuan?
32:17Yeah.
32:18He's looking at that now as something when dad's on the phone or his laptop.
32:21I take second.
32:22That's more important.
32:23Yeah, I come second.
32:24And I hated that feeling.
32:26Yeah.
32:26Hated it.
32:27The only question I'll ask to you is like, what now are you going to do or put in place
32:31other than the obvious of when it happens?
32:34Again, you would encourage him to talk to you.
32:36But what would you do now to change that situation or to remedy that?
32:41I'm just a lot more cognizant now.
32:43And especially when he's around, I try to remove myself.
32:46And if anything, close the door, go in the office.
32:48I mean, I'm normally on a production anyway.
32:51But if he's around, as soon as he walks in, close the laptop, put the phone away.
32:56So that even though I know the device is still there, I realize that for him, he's seeing
33:02an action.
33:03So why you don't include him?
33:06So what I, why, if...
33:08No, you have to remember the hidden folders.
33:12And some people don't hide.
33:14Just in the gallery desk.
33:15If I am, whatever I'm doing and my son was young and come, I will not stop because what
33:21I mean is important.
33:23What I'll hug him up and he'll say, son, you all right?
33:25Yeah.
33:26What it is you want, what I still do, what I'm doing.
33:27And include him and let him know, hey, what I'm doing is important.
33:32But you're just as important.
33:34That's really good.
33:35And what I learned too is I used to, very, very early, I would get annoyed when you say,
33:42dad, look at this.
33:44And it's tripping us in a sin.
33:47But it's important to them.
33:48But it's important to him.
33:50It took me a while to learn that.
33:51And that, George, is what I'm taking in a way.
33:53And what you said there just now is also important for me to acknowledge and to let him know.
33:59Like you said, you asked what to do now.
34:01I mean, what I was doing is closed.
34:02And not only laptop, putting away the phone, but I'm going to go one step further.
34:06I'm not going to bring him in and say, hey, no, come.
34:08And show him that, you know, when you come to me, this is not important.
34:12What you have to say.
34:13And like you said, it could be any time.
34:15It could be a serious call or something that you're doing.
34:17And they just want to say, look at this leg wide bill.
34:20But it's important to them.
34:22And that structure that we are now trying to break now in life by people who are now older
34:29can be tackled at a young age.
34:32But we need to take another break.
34:35This is manhood.
34:37And again, the conversation really getting engaging.
34:40When we come back, of course, our nuggets.
34:43So, as always, the talk is extra spicy today in the group.
35:00Of course, we have Rob, George, and Johan.
35:04Right.
35:04So, let me get right into a question I was asking Johan in the break, which was pan.
35:10And I'm not saying this.
35:11I'm saying this with a heavy heart, but pan is dying in Trinidad and Tobago.
35:14The young people not taking it.
35:15Well, okay.
35:16I have a different view.
35:17At least I think.
35:19You know, you're the provocateur.
35:20Right.
35:21Pan is no longer the instrument that was lauded and celebrated back in the day in my parents' time.
35:27Right.
35:27But you know, younger than me, new generation, introducing pan to a whole next group of people.
35:33Right.
35:33So, my question to you is, are you seeing, especially with the use of social media, pan growing or would be able to come back to the glory days that it had?
35:45So, my thing is that I don't think pan is dying.
35:47I think it's going through an evolution process.
35:49And sometimes evolution is difficult.
35:51Okay.
35:51And what I mean by that is that we were talking about the Greens.
35:54We were talking about Panorama semis and people not paying attention to Panorama and that sort of thing.
35:58I think we're in flux at the moment.
36:00We're going through some sort of evolution that we're not sure where it's going to come out, but something positive is going to come out of it.
36:06But we're in a period where it feels like it's the end of the world.
36:09It does.
36:10Right.
36:10So, let me explain.
36:12While with Pan, we have a lot of young people involved in the actual performance.
36:16Look at the junior bands.
36:17Look at junior Panorama.
36:18Look at the schools.
36:19Look at the people, the kids who play in Pan.
36:21And for me, this is something brand new.
36:23When I started to play Pan with Phase 2 Pan, we were in the year 2003.
36:27I was 13 years old.
36:28And I was one of the few young people.
36:31And it was a big surprise because everybody was like, oh, God, you go on in Phase 2?
36:34That drug den?
36:35That thing you will get.
36:36They'll put you on drugs.
36:37Everybody.
36:38You said that not me.
36:38Right.
36:40Who responses them at the 100 Pipers?
36:42Yeah.
36:44Listen, when men in other bands don't, they say, hey, you was part of the band of 100 Pipers.
36:48He's right.
36:49That's wild.
36:49He's right.
36:50He's right.
36:50You know?
36:51And so, of course, over time, that image has changed.
36:54But again, it's different now.
36:56A lot of young people look at Renegades.
36:57Look at Despers.
36:58Look at Face 2.
36:58Look at All Stars.
36:59The young people is what make up the band.
37:01Correct.
37:02And so, that is part of the evolution that I'm talking about.
37:05A part of the evolution we're missing right now is the audience.
37:08The audience is still on the old side.
37:10The audience is still 40 plus.
37:13We don't have the 15 to 20.
37:14We don't have the young people supporting the art form, coming out to the panorama competitions,
37:19that sort of stuff.
37:20But then we have to sit down and ask, why?
37:21Is it that it's not appealing for the type of consumption that the young people want?
37:25And so, bam, comes social media now.
37:28And look at consumption on social media.
37:30Look at my boy Joshua.
37:31Joshua Regrello.
37:32Look at what he does.
37:34He told me when it was in 2020, when he met me, the man bowed to me and told me, boy,
37:38I really respect you.
37:39I really rate you.
37:39I grew up watching you.
37:40I grew up downloading.
37:41I was one of the first people to download your music when it was on iTunes.
37:44And to me, that is like, wow, look at that.
37:46I had influence on somebody I didn't even know existed.
37:50And look at now what Joshua is doing, the covers that he's posting, the way that he's
37:53interacting with his fan, with his fan base.
37:57And so, like I said, the consumption is different.
37:59So, while we're seeing traditional things that we used to experience, panorama, competitions,
38:03different things, the consumption is very different.
38:06So, the onus now, I think, is on the organizers, on the heads, to understand how the consumption
38:11is now different and then take that to a different level.
38:14Let's try to change it up.
38:16So, if panorama, in the way it is laid out or the way it is made right now, is not working,
38:21why don't we try something different?
38:22Why don't we try soloist competitions?
38:24Why don't we try mixing artists, for example?
38:27Let's say, the band want to play a song by Kess.
38:29Why Kess not there with them, performing with them?
38:31Why is not some sort of collaboration?
38:34So, there are so many different things that you could do.
38:36Why is not, you know, who has the most social media presence?
38:39Let me vibes up.
38:40Let me do something.
38:40Let me go live from a pan yard.
38:42Let's introduce the players.
38:43So, it's a lot of the marketing aspect and utilizing social media and all these different
38:48things as tools to now promote, to now get the physical audience to come.
38:52So, that is my take on that situation.
38:54That's very, very cool.
38:55I'm really happy to hear, on one side, you know, based on Niall's concern, as a provocateur,
39:05that Pan is dying.
39:07Because it's our national instrument.
39:10And, you know, it's something that we've all taken the time through, through what yourself
39:15and Joshua are doing as well, bringing it back, you know, into making it cool again and finding
39:21ways to mainstream.
39:23And you'll love to hear it.
39:24That's sweet song.
39:25One of the things, Robert, and Niall too, is that we think it's dying because we...
39:28But what, George?
39:29I don't need Niall and Robert.
39:30But because we need Niall and Robert too, I was talking about the panting.
39:33Because I have discipline.
39:35I was waiting for you to finish.
39:36Sorry, sorry, sorry, George.
39:37Well, I appreciate that.
39:38That's what we have the icons here to remind us of.
39:40Better as brothers.
39:41Better as brothers.
39:42You know?
39:42We need to look after one another.
39:44George, I am your son, Aja.
39:46You are?
39:46Yes.
39:47I thought you were going to be your son.
39:49I said, oh, oh, George.
39:50What did you do wrong?
39:51Where did this go?
39:53Nah, nah, nah.
39:53You see my coloring now?
39:54That's not possible.
39:55You never know.
39:56You never know.
39:56You never know.
39:58Anyway.
39:58Anyway.
39:59But you're right.
40:00What you're saying is so...
40:00Yeah, you aren't feeling uncomfortable here now.
40:03Like, oh, my daddy's my daddy.
40:04I'm going to make up one now.
40:05You know, they say in a long time, your daddy is your daddy.
40:07But your daddy don't know.
40:09Yeah.
40:10But on the international side of things, too, my personal opinion is that pan is strongest
40:17that it's ever been.
40:17If you look at where it is in Japan, in Germany, in France, in the US, in England, even in the
40:22Caribbean islands, and even in Guyana, even in so many different places.
40:26Do you think we're playing catch-up?
40:27I don't think we're playing catch-up yet.
40:29Because abroad, the pan was huge.
40:32China and Japan.
40:35Japan and Netherlands and Scotland.
40:38And it's only after we realize, wait, no.
40:40It's outside.
40:41Because they took it from us.
40:43And we're now going and playing catch-up.
40:45Well, so my thing is, A.
40:47Pan, why are there some Chinese planes on pan part now?
40:50Japanese.
40:50The Japanese are amazing.
40:52Or slant eyes.
40:52I see some slantized planes on pan.
40:54They're Japanese.
40:55Anyway.
40:55So, once again, let's do that disclaimer.
40:59The views and opinions expressed here on this show by George himself, and not necessarily
41:04the views and opinions expressed here on this show.
41:08The views and opinions expressed here on this show.
41:09I don't think.
41:10See?
41:11The technology again.
41:12Even technology.
41:13All right.
41:14So, that's the thing.
41:15You can look at it from two points of view.
41:16You can look at it from the point of view that it's being taken.
41:19Or you can look at it from the point of view that we are sharing it.
41:21And so, it depends.
41:22No, we didn't share, buddy.
41:24They take it.
41:25It depends.
41:25So, this is our whole conversation, right?
41:30I need to bring it back to manhood.
41:33You bring it back.
41:33You bring it back.
41:34Bring it back.
41:34That's what you're there for.
41:35And the topic that we're discussing here comes from, it's not a lost form.
41:41We're seeing different ways that it's coming about.
41:42But, again, the viewing audience are not looking at or probably attending these events because they're probably on the devices or just simply not interested.
41:52They're looking at so many other things on YouTube, et cetera, that give them that dopamine fix, right?
41:57George, in your estimation, do you feel that your art form and your presence and your group, is that being lost?
42:16No, you know, again, as I use the word catch-up, we have to play catch-up.
42:21But the comedians, so I did a show with some of the young comedians.
42:30And if there was five people and three were over 40 and two was under, the jokes they would give is jokes they would have seen.
42:41It's situations they would have seen on TikTok or it's a situation they would have seen on Facebook.
42:46And the three 40 and over don't know what they're talking about.
42:48So, one, it's not working into their favor because not everybody knows what you're speaking of.
42:56Two, we have to play catch-up where now I have to pick jokes to put on TikTok so you would want to see me give more jokes live and not use the jokes on TikTok on stage.
43:11What that is for, to show them I am funny and you should come and see me, which before, you just know I'm funny and you're coming.
43:21And I could do as I wish. Now we have to get a little more creative.
43:27Forcing you to come and see the professional crowd.
43:28You have to get a little more flair. You know what I mean?
43:32But when you break it down like that, at the end of the day, if you're talking about earning, because you want people to come and see you to earn, right?
43:40But you would always be able to earn more online or digitally. That's how I'm looking at it.
43:45Oh, no.
43:46No?
43:46Ticket sales, no.
43:48Ticket sales, no.
43:49You can't, you can't, please. People taking their stuff and you can't, they have no money to make.
43:55When you do a show and you get 12,000 people, that promoter pays you well for your show.
44:02He makes money and I make money.
44:05I don't make money on how much views and how much TikTok and how much, there's no money.
44:09But you can't, but that is the business.
44:10But that's not where the money is. The money is live.
44:13What money is it?
44:14The money is the Russell Peters and them will just stay on TikTok or stay on social media.
44:20I think that that is a 50-50 meeting that once you start exploding to a mass, mass market, then that is extra.
44:27Then that is extra.
44:28The main is here.
44:29The main is nice.
44:29If your geographical location and your audience is physically here in Trinidad and Tobago, the Caribbean and your diaspora, then, of course, your money coming from your live shows.
44:38Correct.
44:38So I need to, I need to presence that, again, really rich conversation.
44:45And I, whenever I get, you know, people sometimes see me sort of adjust on the chair, you know, slightly, because I am in a position where the viewers aren't, where they might be looking on at us now and going, I feel like we're going off track here.
45:00You know, I feel, I feel like, you know, have we addressed the topic as to how we feel?
45:08And I want us to use the last moments that, you know, where the viewers and listeners are indulging us to really give of our thoughts and our nuggets, not chicken nuggets, but nuggets, gold nuggets, nuggets and moments.
45:26I know we're getting hungry.
45:26To, to really put into context what we are taking away from the show or what we would like to share.
45:35So, I mean, I would just start it just to say what, again, gentlemen, thank you for being here.
45:43And the message really today is social media is not a negative thing.
45:49Social media now is very much relevant and very much needed.
45:54And we talk about delayed gratification, delaying gratification in certain circumstances only makes it that much sweeter.
46:02But the need for information in certain aspects right now is a plus.
46:09Technology is there to help us be better and to advance.
46:12What I'm coming to talk to you about and hopefully express is the need and the crutch of which we use social media and the phone and the laptops and all other devices.
46:25It is stopping us from connecting with one another.
46:27Correct.
46:28And sometimes just enjoy the moment.
46:31Look at the person in the eye.
46:32Put away your phone.
46:34Switch it off.
46:34Don't even, you know, some people, they switch it off, but the phone is still connected so they could, you know, that phone goes zzzz, zzzz, zzzz.
46:43And you're talking to the person where you're conscious, I don't check to see if I got a WhatsApp or I just post a picture.
46:49I have to check to see how many likes.
46:51Listen, if you're not getting a certain amount of likes or engagement, you're a loser.
46:57You feel that way.
46:59You feel it.
46:59You feel it.
47:00If you decide this is a moment you want to share, remember it's your social media.
47:06You're not doing it or you shouldn't do it for somebody else to get somebody else's affirmation.
47:11You need your own self-confidence to know that, you know, the two things in life that they say, you know, man needs, which is one, to know that you are enough and that you are loved.
47:23And once you know that you are loved and you are enough, that's all.
47:26Nothing stops you after that.
47:27Nothing stops you after that.
47:29And you don't need, I don't need Niall to tell me, hey, you're a good looking red man.
47:34Somebody should tell you.
47:35Somebody should tell me.
47:36Definitely not Niall.
47:37The line to you.
47:40Somebody should lie to you.
47:41Not Niall.
47:41But if I look, if I look in a mirror and I tell myself I am feeling a particular way, that's what's important.
47:47Whether it's true to somebody, you know, they say horses for courses, you know, because somebody might think George is a Calvin Klein model.
47:53You know, another person might say, you know, hey.
47:57Calvin Klein.
47:58You know, so my thing is really to say that I'm grateful for the message that I'm taking away here today.
48:07You know, even the interaction with my son.
48:09It really was a moment that I realized that, you know, not just with my son and how I might be impacting his behavior later on in life.
48:19Also for me to understand how I'm impacting someone else.
48:23And that person's behavior then, it has an impact on me in another circle as we go round and round.
48:29And it switch, switch your phone off.
48:35Enjoy the moment.
48:36I think the person you're going out with, be it a girlfriend, be it me and you nine linemen, you deserve the attention.
48:44You shouldn't have to compete with my phone.
48:48You're a human being.
48:49You have a heart.
48:50Your phone can't help you if you get a flat.
48:52You.
48:52And those things we should not lose.
48:55You have a phone.
48:57And I just, I didn't, you know, George does what he does.
48:59And what I probably do it as well.
49:00He interjected there.
49:01Because you were going on too long.
49:04I was going on too long.
49:05Yeah.
49:05Your auntie says that.
49:06But this is a little bit.
49:07But, you know, again, and maybe something that you guys may want to speak to is the other thing of, have we, and it's one thing that I really didn't get to talk about.
49:16I know we're running out of time.
49:18But are we disconnected from humanity?
49:21Yes.
49:21So something happens.
49:23There's a shootout.
49:25Someone gets hit.
49:27Someone's on the ground.
49:28Yes.
49:28What are we interested in doing?
49:30Are we interested in helping them?
49:31We're taking our video.
49:32Point.
49:33Correct.
49:33Because I know I want to take this video to send it out.
49:36To be the first to send it.
49:37Correct.
49:39Insensitive.
49:40And the person bleeding.
49:42And the person's bleeding.
49:44Where are we going?
49:45That person, the father, the mother, or the girlfriend, seen it.
49:48And all learning of it from the first time.
49:50From you.
49:51But I think, guys, in terms of what my takeaway is here, is that it's...
49:55Is he interjecting?
49:55Yeah, well, I'm learning from the best.
49:57I'm learning from the best.
49:58You see, this is the thing.
49:59This is the thing about men.
50:00Who so don't like so?
50:01No, this is the thing, though.
50:03We have role models.
50:04And so, we follow in the role models.
50:07Anyway.
50:07I find you keep pointing at me.
50:08I point in this direction.
50:10I point in.
50:11I appreciate that.
50:13All right.
50:14To me, it's all about balance.
50:16Social media, technology is something that's not going to go away.
50:18And it's about how we balance it and about how we live in the moment.
50:21I mean, recently, I was on a date.
50:23And both myself, I'm a busy person.
50:26I run a business as well.
50:27And the girl that I was going out with as well, she runs a business as well.
50:30And part of our rule is, hey, no phones here.
50:32Live in the moment.
50:33I'm a person that loves to take pictures.
50:34Not necessarily to post, but I like memories.
50:36I like to go back and say, hey, that's what we do when I'm out.
50:39She said, don't take none tonight now.
50:41Live in the moment.
50:41Well said.
50:42Correct.
50:42And guess what?
50:43Those memories from that night are the most core memories that I have.
50:47So find a balance.
50:48Live in the moment sometimes.
50:50Not everything needs to be posted.
50:51Not everything needs to be shared.
50:53Know that you are loved no matter how many people react to you.
50:56No matter how many people might be.
50:58How do you say?
50:58I hope so.
50:59Hopefully.
51:00Fingers crossed.
51:01Fingers, fingers and toes crossed.
51:02And if she watch this show, well, yeah.
51:04You still want her?
51:05Yeah.
51:06Okay.
51:07Well, we hope by the time the show airs that this is still the case.
51:12But no, definitely.
51:15Live in the moment.
51:15I like that.
51:16Balance.
51:16Balance.
51:17Balance.
51:17And it's not just in social media, not just in technology, in life in general.
51:21In everything that you do, find a balance.
51:24Between work, between liming, between drinking, between whatever it is, find a balance.
51:29And you'll find that things in life run a lot smoother.
51:31Balance.
51:32So you know what directed it says?
51:34Yeah.
51:35That'll be this guy.
51:36That'll be this guy.
51:37When I tell him we have to take a break, it's not a question.
51:40We really have to take a break.
51:43It's not a suggestion.
51:44It's not a suggestion.
51:45It's almost rhetorical.
51:46No, take it away.
51:47Close it down.
51:48All right.
51:48So for me, in conclusion, I see nothing wrong with social media.
51:53I think that, as you mentioned, evolution is upon us.
51:56We are evolving as humans.
51:58Yes.
51:59Negative habits are coming about based on our traditional views.
52:04That is what is more than likely being seen in case with your son and stuff like that.
52:09I think that someone who would have been socially awkward would forever be socially awkward.
52:14So we don't know, right?
52:15But social media is a tool.
52:18And the most important part of that is the social in the word social media.
52:23And, you know, for me, and I'll just touch on dating really quickly.
52:28I love it.
52:30Guys, lean into social media as much as possible.
52:32I think the thing to take away is that dopamine addiction is a real culprit to a lot of the issues that we're having.
52:39And whether it's drug addiction, sex addiction, porn addiction, any type of addiction, that's where you need to take steps.
52:47Have an internal measure or internal balance with yourself.
52:52And then you can say, okay, am I actually, you know, getting negative behaviors from social media?
53:01No, you can't know because there are professionals who do that.
53:03So take care of your mind as well as your body.
53:06So go out and, you know, apply that to the world.
53:08And that's my takeaway.
53:10There you go, gents.
53:11Thank you so much.
53:12I really like, you know, one of the things that are really going to capture this conversation here today.
53:18Johan, you said it best.
53:19You know, enjoy the moment.
53:21Take the moment.
53:22Let that moment, let that moment.
53:23I didn't say anything that was best to you.
53:24You did actually because.
53:28So I'm going to make sure that I'm not.
53:29Because something happens, your phone is not going to change that tire.
53:33Your phone isn't going to comfort you anyway.
53:35It should be comforted at night.
53:36You know, you might be immersed in it and you may be lost.
53:39And I use the word lost in your phone, but it is still not there.
53:43It could never take the place of a human being.
53:46Yeah, and that is true.
53:48So it impacts behavior.
53:52Let's acknowledge it.
53:53That dopamine fix, why we need that fix more importantly.
53:57And what are the deeper, what are the deeper concerns that you should have and address?
54:02And you can address that, guess what?
54:04Not by Google, but by talking to another human, having a moment.
54:09Correct.
54:09So George, thanks so much for being with us here today.
54:12My pleasure.
54:13Johan, Niall, Provocateur, Vibes God.
54:17I'm Robert.
54:18Don't use that again.
54:19The Canada Vibes God, George.
54:22Okay, let's start that over again, right?
54:24George, Vibes God.
54:26Johan, Niall, Provocateur.
54:28Thank you for joining us.
54:31Thank you for listening.
54:33Thanks, Adam.
54:34And, you know, I hope you join us once again on another Conversational Path.
54:42Manhood.
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