The Jeremy Kyle Show 7th December 2017
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00:00On today's show...
00:01To save the world's worst brother is an evil, dirty druggie.
00:04Why do you hate this guy so much?
00:05I hate him!
00:06Why?
00:07Because he stole off me.
00:09Yes, I dragged both of my kids today to this show to name and shame him.
00:13Pay down!
00:18Pay down!
00:19Pay down!
00:20Do you think you are spooky?
00:21Why?
00:22Spiceheads, crackheads and everything!
00:24Go on!
00:25Go on, give it all this!
00:26Just an hour, girl, man.
00:27My dad!
00:29I don't need to find out.
00:30Yeah?
00:31Let me have my...
00:32I've had my conviction for your TV.
00:34Yeah?
00:35What did you catch my daughter's jail?
00:36Yes, you did!
00:37Your mum!
00:38Your mum!
00:39Your mum!
00:40Your mum!
00:41Guess what?
00:42At least I'm not homeless and living on the street!
00:43Guess what?
00:44I've got a house!
00:45At least I don't go into, like, sell hair drives and everything!
00:50It's not about Stacey!
00:51It's not about Annie!
00:52It's about me and you!
00:53Me disowning you today!
00:54The pair of you that mean it!
00:55What?
00:56No, thank you!
00:57The messages are for you!
00:58I was already there, you know, I'm coming out!
00:59I'm coming out!
01:00CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:01CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:03Hello, friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:22Welcome to the show, right, our first guest today Jess is here to confront the brother she calls a lying thieving scumbag.
01:29Jess says that Gary has been a nightmare from day one, has burgled her home and she even holds him responsible.
01:34Check this, it's shocking, for their father's suicide. This is one determined lady, it's a massive story.
01:40Jess is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
01:43CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:48Hey, how are you? I'm all right, thank you.
01:50They said to me, oh jeez, I haven't even spoken. Be quiet!
01:55Pipe down, Gary!
02:02Sorry. I apologize. Sorry, darling.
02:05I'd just like to point out that I'm not going to disagree with you at all, Jess. Lovely to meet you.
02:15Andrew. Are you all right?
02:16I am, yes.
02:17Well, you wouldn't.
02:18I had to drag both of my kids today to this show to name and shame him.
02:21Pipe down!
02:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:26Pipe down, I'll just hit you up!
02:28What are you doing here?
02:30Don't you see me, little ****?
02:32Really?
02:33Sleeping with each other!
02:34Yeah!
02:35Are you mad, you sick ****?
02:37Yeah!
02:38Hang my child, if I hang my kids out of the window,
02:40don't you think I'm wearing my other two with me?
02:43Get that grip!
02:44Where's wearing red ****?
02:46Can you carry on, Mitch, with my kisses' names?
02:48What are you going to do here?
02:50Where's your baby took off her?
02:51Is she?
02:52What have you put your dirty little scumbag?
02:54Spice heads, crack heads and everything!
02:56I'm not!
02:57Go on! Go on, give it all this!
02:58You're just an art girl, man.
03:00CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
03:02Do you know what, I am 30 years old!
03:08Be quiet, sit down, be quiet!
03:11No!
03:12Shall I just leave?
03:13No, you're OK.
03:14You can sit down.
03:15It's all right?
03:16Yeah, you can sit down.
03:17OK, I'll come and sit down.
03:18Sorry for Cheryl tonight!
03:20I feel like I've been a very naughty boy.
03:22Jess, jeez, Gary is your brother?
03:26So, no.
03:27No.
03:28Who's the woman with him?
03:29Annie?
03:30Yeah.
03:31You say it's your niece?
03:33She's my niece, yes.
03:34She's my sister's daughter.
03:35I don't have nothing to do with any of my family.
03:37You just accused them of sleeping together?
03:38Yeah.
03:39Really?
03:40Technically, I've been told by a few people there's a double bed...
03:43Shut up!
03:44There was a double bed and a single bed in a room.
03:46The sing...
03:47A sing...
03:48It's not been slept in, but the double bed has.
03:52Right, anyway, let's talk about you and Gaz.
03:54You say the world's worst brother is an evil, dirty druggie.
03:57Why do you hate this guy so much?
03:58I hate him.
03:59Why?
04:00Because he stole off me, my kids.
04:01When?
04:02He cashed my oldest daughter's gyro, and then he also stole off my son.
04:05Didn't he burgle your house?
04:06Yes, he did.
04:07What did he take?
04:08My son's 42-inch plasma TV and his DVD player.
04:11And he admits to stealing that?
04:13He got done for it.
04:14He got found guilty at Crown Court.
04:17I'm embarrassed we're elated.
04:19I'm going to change me last name.
04:21He's been in prison countless times.
04:23I've even had a restraining order, all of which begs me to ask you,
04:26what you're doing at the Jeremy Kyle show, and you patently ate him anyway.
04:29Because I have to name and shame him.
04:30Shut up!
04:31To name and shame him what he's done, because he's a woman beaten.
04:33You say on a serious note, darling, you blame him for your dad committing suicide.
04:37Yeah.
04:38Why?
04:39My dad, well, my dad reported him missing.
04:41He went babysitting, and then reported him by the police.
04:44He couldn't get found.
04:45And then later on that Thursday, on the 19th of July in 2001,
04:49at 3.45, my dad got pronounced dead because of him going missing.
04:53And it's him.
04:54It's him who caused my dad's death.
04:56Um, he said he'll have that on his shoulders for life.
05:00She is an evil cow and a thief.
05:03She messaged me saying that I'm an evil cow, Annie.
05:06Why am I an evil cow?
05:07Why am I an evil cow?
05:08I've offered to put her and her partner up when she's coming back from...
05:12You know she's 31 weeks pregnant.
05:13He's not the father, is he?
05:18What, do you know when he was on the last show, Jeremy?
05:20He made a fool out of you.
05:21Do you know when he said he stopped smoking spice?
05:23Yeah.
05:24But he hasn't.
05:25He's been smoking spice all the way round.
05:27So he's dead to you, you think he contributed to your father committing suicide,
05:31you believe that this niece is as warped as him,
05:34he's burgled your house, he's vile, controlling and manipulative
05:37and today is about, you know what, I don't want you in my life.
05:39No, don't want nothing.
05:40Should we get him out?
05:41Yes.
05:42Gary's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
05:46Gary, you big fat mess up.
05:48I don't need to pipe down.
05:49I don't need to pipe down.
05:50I don't need to pipe down.
05:51I don't need to pipe down.
05:52Yeah.
05:53Let me have my say.
05:54I've had my conviction for your TV.
05:55Yeah.
05:56Yeah.
05:57But didn't you catch my daughter's jail room?
05:58Yes, you did.
05:59My mum told me.
06:00Your mum?
06:01My mum.
06:02Not yours.
06:03My mum.
06:04Your mum.
06:05My mum.
06:06And it's my dad.
06:07Where's your mum?
06:08You made my dad come in.
06:09Where's your mum?
06:10Where's your mum?
06:11Where's my mum?
06:12Yeah.
06:13Passed away.
06:14Yeah, where's she?
06:15Where is she?
06:16In my sister's back garden because you...
06:17Where's your dad?
06:18Dirty.
06:19Where's your dad?
06:20Where's my dad?
06:21Yeah, is he?
06:22Yeah, is he?
06:23Is he?
06:24So you're alright to smoke crack milk?
06:25Crack, crack.
06:26Crack cocaine and smoke smoke smoke around my two kids.
06:28You what?
06:29Need my kids?
06:30Do me a favour.
06:31Come, do me a drugs test.
06:33No, sit down.
06:34Where are you going?
06:35Listen, you're a bit fat mess of me.
06:36Wait until you come back into...
06:38Stay in for fama!
06:39Go ahead, cos you'll be having people waiting for you!
06:43You're related, are you?
06:44I'm no, I think I've got...
06:45I think I'm the only ones not walked in my family.
06:48Where's he gone now?
06:49What are you doing?
06:50I'm not running after him!
06:51I'm not running either!
06:52Is that your baby, by the way?
06:53No, is it?
06:54That's my niece.
06:55Are you having sex?
06:56Can you be?
06:57Could you come out of here, please, and start running away?
06:59No, family name, Gary, ma'am.
07:00Yeah, but Joey.
07:01I'll go over with you.
07:02So you're not sleeping with your niece?
07:03Are you?
07:04Are you mad?
07:05You burgled her house, though!
07:06Yeah!
07:07Two and a half a year ago!
07:09Why?
07:10What?
07:11And why?
07:12Ten commandments!
07:13Ten commandments?
07:14He lived in my property right, Joey and me.
07:15Right?
07:16Told my team you'd burgled her house.
07:17Sit down!
07:18Listen!
07:19Why would you burgled your sister?
07:20The way she spoke to me has ruined my relationship for the last three years, yeah?
07:24Right?
07:25She's very lucky.
07:26She hadn't had a broken nose.
07:27Oh, goodness!
07:28Big mouth!
07:29Big mouth!
07:30Big mouth!
07:31Because you're with everybody!
07:32Guess what?
07:33At least I'm not homeless and living on the street!
07:34Guess what?
07:35I've got a house!
07:36At least I don't go into like...
07:38...and sell where...
07:39What is it?
07:40Hairdrys and everything!
07:41Is that what I did?
07:42Yes, you did.
07:43What?
07:44Wicked!
07:45Sit down!
07:46You're giving me neck, eh?
07:47Oi!
07:48Go on, you little weasel!
07:49Go!
07:50Oi!
07:51Oi!
07:52Oi!
07:53Come out here!
07:54Bring whoever you fetch with you as well, you big fat messer!
07:55I'd rather be fat than you lovely!
07:57Our family should be...
07:58Our family should be together!
08:00Our family should be together!
08:02My family!
08:03Not you!
08:04But you've got no women, my kids!
08:05You're family!
08:06I've got...
08:07Go on, baby!
08:09Walk away!
08:10Listen!
08:11My boy...
08:12My boy is always with me!
08:14Yeah, because you've got a tattoo!
08:15What I'm paying for!
08:16What I'm paying for!
08:17What I'm paying for!
08:18You don't even pay for your...
08:19My...
08:20My...
08:21You want nothing to do with your...
08:23Why'd you keep walking away?
08:25Where are you going?
08:26You're a smackhead!
08:27Do you know what it is?
08:29I've got no idea what's going on!
08:31Because I've got a mouth on me!
08:32But when I was a kid, he didn't like it!
08:34Why does he keep walking out?
08:36What are you doing?
08:37Where are you going now?
08:39What a f***ing idiot!
08:40What is...
08:42Honestly, it gets to the point where I really f***ing...
08:45Oi!
08:46I'm not doing it!
08:47Oi!
08:48I'm not doing it!
08:49I am not do...
08:50What are you doing?
08:51Don't do it, then!
08:52No, what?
08:53You won't get a...
08:54That's not a sister!
08:55Are you f***ing crazy?
08:56You burgled her house!
08:58Yeah!
08:59I've done the f***ing time for it!
09:02But you said to my team I'd do it again!
09:04That's not a sister!
09:05No sister of mine, mate!
09:07Then go and tell her that!
09:08Stop walking backwards and forwards!
09:10I've already told her!
09:11So you want nothing to do with her?
09:12I don't want her to contact me!
09:13I don't want her to...
09:14Where is she?
09:15Just come in, mate!
09:16Honestly, I don't even...
09:17I'm gonna go to a break!
09:18Back in a minute!
09:19Don't go anywhere!
09:20What's going on?
09:21Back there!
09:22I don't know you!
09:23So why are you calling me?
09:25It's not about Stacey!
09:26It's not about Annie!
09:27It's about me and you!
09:28It's only you today!
09:29The pair of you that mean it!
09:31One!
09:32I hope we are!
09:33Bye!
09:34Bye!
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10:13Welcome back.
10:14I've been doing this show for 13 years.
10:16I don't think at all of that time.
10:17I've met two brothers and sisters who hate each other.
10:19This is just...
10:20Oh, you're back now!
10:21What is wrong with you today?
10:23Do you know what it is?
10:24Do you take spice?
10:25Yes.
10:26If I spiced out my tree, yeah?
10:27Yes!
10:28Just admit it, Gary!
10:29For one.
10:30Yeah?
10:31Well, you lied last on last show, didn't you?
10:32And who found out that were lying and cheating?
10:35Er...
10:36You did!
10:37And what?
10:38And what?
10:39Who's Annie?
10:40Who's Annie?
10:41My so-called...
10:42She's 31 weeks pregnant.
10:43Is that your kid?
10:44No, it isn't.
10:45Are you having sex with your niece?
10:46No, I'm not.
10:47Why are you sharing a bedroom?
10:48We're in a...
10:49Well, stop nicking the hair dryers then!
10:52Don't nicking the hair dryers!
10:53Have you been nicking the hair dryers?
10:55Come on!
10:56Did you cash her daughter's gyro?
10:57No, I didn't!
10:58Yes, you did!
10:59No, I didn't!
11:00Who's that?
11:01Yay!
11:02Nice one!
11:03Annie's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way!
11:04Who's that?
11:05Who's that?
11:06Yay!
11:07Nice one!
11:08Annie's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way!
11:17Heartless Kyle!
11:18Hi!
11:19Hello!
11:20Hi, Jeremy.
11:21That was like a walk like that!
11:22Sorry, Jeremy, sorry!
11:24You are pregnant, please be careful.
11:26Sorry, Jeremy.
11:27Are you having a father?
11:28No!
11:29Are you having a sexual relationship with him?
11:30Why I would die is my uncle wanted a family relationship with everyone!
11:32What's going on here, mate?
11:33Nan and grandad would be turning in their grave right now!
11:35They would be!
11:36And you know that, Jess!
11:37What's going on, mate?
11:38Do you know half of the story?
11:39Yes!
11:40He burgled her house!
11:41Yes!
11:42He bought the telly!
11:43He's paid the time for that!
11:44What?
11:45He steals me money for it!
11:46He hasn't apologised to her, though, has he?
11:49I can't say he's a bad man, though!
11:51He had a house!
11:52I was homeless!
11:53Made himself homeless to stay with me!
11:55So I'm not on the streets anymore being pregnant!
11:58Eh!
11:59Eh!
12:00So you can all...
12:01You know, you can...
12:02And why do you...
12:03You've got to stop smoking...
12:06Don't even smoke it, Lord, sir!
12:08Yeah, you do!
12:09Drug test me, then!
12:10Drug test me!
12:11Don't come back, you stupid...
12:13I'm drugged...
12:14Have you stolen any hair dryers?
12:16No!
12:17I don't...
12:18Have you stolen a hair drive from...
12:20I don't know...
12:21I don't know...
12:22I don't know...
12:23I don't know...
12:24I don't know...
12:25Have you stolen a hair drive from...
12:26No, you haven't?
12:27I'm not that long, no!
12:28I'm not as long as...
12:29Apparently you're a tea leaf, you stole her memory book!
12:31Right, what it was, I tried to...
12:33When she was this bloke called...
12:34I don't know...
12:35I can't name no names, right?
12:36I says to...
12:37I rang them up one Sunday...
12:38Because the partner we were with at the time...
12:40He's only had half an hour break...
12:41So he drove me down...
12:42I got told where they were staying...
12:43So I put them on this big...
12:45Cupboard...
12:46Right, on top of this...
12:47In the flats...
12:48Do you know where they keep electric?
12:49In the flats...
12:50The big tall flats...
12:51Side flats...
12:52Well, I put it on top of there...
12:53But why would you take it to a...
12:54To a block of flats?
12:55Because I did!
12:56I got told where she was...
12:57She was staying in that block of flats!
12:59Who's Stacey?
13:00My best friend!
13:01Oh, let's have Stacey on the Jeremy Kyle show!
13:04What's going on, mate?
13:05What's going on?
13:06What's going on?
13:07There!
13:08I'm here for her!
13:09I've known her 14...
13:10Listen, you've known her 14 years, yeah?
13:11Yeah, I am!
13:12So how come I've not seen you?
13:13What?
13:14Spiced out your...
13:15Probably!
13:16Muppet!
13:17Probably spiced out your...
13:18Head!
13:19Lisa, listen...
13:20Lisa, listen...
13:21Lisa, listen...
13:22Lisa, sit and look...
13:23Now!
13:24What's going on, mate?
13:25What's going on, mate?
13:26What's going on?
13:27That's...
13:28There!
13:29I know you!
13:30So why are you calling me...
13:31I'm here for her!
13:32I've known her 14...
13:33I'm sitting under an arch!
13:34Listen!
13:35Begging!
13:36At least I'm not with a smack head!
13:37Do you beg?
13:38Who's a smack head like?
13:39Do you beg?
13:40For what?
13:41No, I don't beg.
13:42Why are you underneath the arches?
13:44Begging!
13:45Because you've got nowhere to go!
13:46I've got nowhere to go?
13:47Yeah!
13:48Really?
13:49I'm serious, I've got to do with you!
13:50I'm here for her!
13:51Why?
13:52Why?
13:53I'm here for her!
13:54What?
13:55She's got no family!
13:56We're her family!
13:57She doesn't need you!
13:58She's got no family, why?
13:59Do you know why I haven't got no family?
14:00Because of you, you...
14:01Muppets!
14:02Why are you doing my two kids now?
14:04Why are you...
14:05Luke Spicex is...
14:06Why are you...
14:07Why are you...
14:08Why are you...
14:09Why are you...
14:10Because he's my son?
14:11Neglect!
14:12No, I haven't got...
14:13I haven't got...
14:14Remember...
14:15Why are you shaking f...
14:16I was in...
14:17Woman beat her!
14:18Grow up!
14:19Are you crazy?
14:20You can fetch whoever you want to a show, yeah?
14:22And say you've known her for 14 years...
14:23I have known her for 14 years...
14:24You've not known her...
14:2510 minutes, you silly...
14:26Yes, yes, yes...
14:27Sit down!
14:28Today, no text messages, no Facebook, nothing...
14:31I want to talk...
14:32I want to talk about the serious things, sit down...
14:34I don't need to see the serious things, mate...
14:35Sit down!
14:36She's having it!
14:37He's hiding stuff, that's why he's walking out!
14:38Why are you having to hide things, you little f...
14:40I want to talk to you about...
14:41It's not about Stacey, it's not about Annie, it's about me and you...
14:42Me disowning you today, the pair of you, and I mean it!
14:43No sending messages off you!
14:44I was on the scene!
14:45I was on the scene!
14:46You don't count!
14:47What is it?
14:48You only want to know me if I'm...
14:49What is it?
14:50Don't count me!
14:51Because I know if you were pregnant, I would have known the baby stuff!
14:54I'll take you in!
14:55Oh, yeah, I'm going to be a girl!
14:56I'm going to be a girl!
14:57You're going to be a girl!
14:58I'm going to be a girl!
14:59I'm going to be a girl!
15:00I'm going to be a girl!
15:01I'm going to be a girl!
15:02I'll take you in!
15:03Oh, yeah, we get to Donny!
15:04No answer on her phone!
15:05Because I found out you were smoking spice!
15:06Are you smoking spice?
15:07No!
15:08You're pregnant!
15:09Jeremy, ring!
15:10Kate, no stealing of hair dryers and no smoking of spice whilst you're pregnant!
15:13Why would I do it when I'm pregnant?
15:14I want to lie!
15:15Shut up!
15:16I've got my kids for too much!
15:17Sorry, Jeremy, I really apologise!
15:19She blames shit!
15:20She blames shit!
15:21She blames shit!
15:22She blames shit!
15:23Don't lie!
15:24Don't lie!
15:25Don't lie!
15:26Don't lie!
15:27Don't lie!
15:28Don't lie!
15:29Don't lie!
15:30Don't lie!
15:31Don't lie!
15:32Don't lie!
15:33Don't lie!
15:34Don't lie!
15:35Don't lie!
15:36Don't lie!
15:37Don't lie!
15:38Don't lie!
15:39Stop talking a minute!
15:40You've had your moment!
15:41What was that like for you?
15:42You told my team I was on my own, everybody abandoned me, and my dad killed himself.
15:45How old were you?
15:46How old were you?
15:47Probably 15, 16.
15:48What was that like?
15:49Just slow down and look at me.
15:50Really are Jeremy, but I've had to go through life dragging myself up, you know.
15:54Why are you and she so at loghead?
15:57Just stop shouting.
15:58It's because I took a telly, mate.
15:59Why did you do that?
16:00Because she was being a complete crank.
16:02But you should apologise, shouldn't you?
16:04Yeah, but I did apologise, yeah?
16:05I've apologised.
16:06You're not shouting.
16:07I've gone to court.
16:08I've done a sentence.
16:09You know what I mean?
16:10I've paid compensation back to her.
16:12After two and a half years, yeah, she's still on about her TV.
16:1540 quid goes a long way when you've got two kids.
16:17That TV's that old, yeah?
16:18You can buy a new one within them two and a half years.
16:20It wasn't mine.
16:21It was my son's.
16:22You took out my off my son.
16:23Come on me a minute.
16:24Just come on me one minute.
16:25No, I don't need to.
16:26Hang on.
16:27So your son, yeah?
16:28He went to perfect homes.
16:29Yeah?
16:30In his toy car.
16:31In his toy car.
16:32He's all in his telly.
16:33You think it's funny, do you?
16:34He does.
16:35He does.
16:36He does.
16:37He always has done.
16:38He has done for years.
16:39I'm going to say thank you for coming on.
16:41You can go.
16:42You can go as well.
16:43Thank you very much indeed.
16:44Stand up.
16:45Stand up.
16:46It's my show.
16:47Stand up.
16:48I don't need to.
16:49I don't want to sit next to him.
16:51Sit there for me.
16:52Shut up, both of you.
16:54Up.
16:55No, mate.
16:56Sorry?
16:57You're not getting me up to sit next to her.
16:58Do you know what I think is really interesting about this story?
17:00Not a prayer, mate.
17:01My dad was my life, Gary.
17:03Your dad made love with you.
17:04Never asked him.
17:05Stop it.
17:06Have you ever asked him if his dad was his life?
17:08I went fishing with dad every day.
17:10Look at me.
17:11Just one question without you shouting.
17:15You're 15 years of age.
17:17You used to go fishing with him.
17:19Shut up for one minute.
17:22If you want this done, I'll do it.
17:24Be quiet.
17:27What's that like at 15 to think your dad took his own life?
17:30Horrible.
17:31Messed you up.
17:33Popper messed me up.
17:34Why do you think I turned to...
17:35Nobody.
17:36Nobody there for you.
17:37Nobody.
17:38So I turned to Graham.
17:40Was she there for you?
17:42Listen, she's never been there.
17:43Shh, shh, shh.
17:44Was she?
17:45She's never been there.
17:46I have been there.
17:47I let him in my house.
17:48Stop arguing.
17:49No, go on, Jeremy.
17:50Because you both loved your dad, didn't you?
17:51Obviously.
17:52No, my dad...
17:53I wish he'd think of this.
17:54Obviously, he's turning into grief.
17:55What would he be saying?
17:56Listen, get close together, man.
17:57You should be sitting together, mate.
17:59No.
18:00I don't believe that when people shout and scream this much, that the flip side of that anger...
18:06Love and eight are very close.
18:07Say what you want to me.
18:08No one does.
18:09No, I'm right.
18:10I think at 15...
18:11Yeah, you've done some terrible things, but at 15, you're going to be pretty vulnerable
18:16if that happens to you, for whatever reason he felt cast aside.
18:19I was the one who found my dad with my mum.
18:22And do you know how that is?
18:23I've lost my dad 16 years ago, right?
18:26And it still hurts me deep inside.
18:28Why blame me?
18:29Because you're the one who went missing.
18:30That is not...
18:31Do you know what?
18:32I'm going to say this.
18:33This is what I'm going to say now.
18:34Why blame me?
18:35This is absolutely going to say...
18:36I went babysitting.
18:37I went babysitting.
18:40I went babysitting.
18:41The police found me that night, that next morning.
18:44I came to the house in the cop car.
18:45The cop has said to me, your dad has passed away.
18:48Can I say something to both of you?
18:49What?
18:50Which surprises me a bit.
18:52Sorry if this upsets you, but he is not responsible for your dad's suicide.
18:56Yes, he is.
18:57I'm not...
18:58Nobody sit down one minute.
19:00I'm not responsible.
19:02Stop it, you two.
19:04You must have a lot of issues to take your own life.
19:07And for a lot of people, the people who don't...
19:10No, no, please let me say this without you screaming, both of you.
19:13If you go through with it, then you meant it.
19:15I don't believe, I'm sorry from what I've heard, maybe he freaked out that night because
19:20his son had gone missing, but I believe that you have to be suffering in a big way to do that.
19:29It strikes me from that moment you both suffered, you both blamed each other.
19:33He blamed you from being at a distance when he wanted you close.
19:37You blaming him for your father's death and we set off on this road of destruction which
19:42resulted in burglary and crime and insults and whatever.
19:45I'm only going to say this to you because at the end of the day you can ignore me.
19:49Your blood, man.
19:51And it's ridiculous.
19:52Not profitable.
19:53Fine.
19:54Well, you know what?
19:55I'll tell you one thing you won't like because you've had the main part today.
19:58You wouldn't be crying if you didn't give a damn love.
20:00No, I'm crying because I'm mentioning my dad.
20:02My dad.
20:03I believe.
20:04I believe.
20:05Do you know what's really sad?
20:06Your dad would have wanted his son to step up and be his replacement for you.
20:09No.
20:10My other brother is my replacement to my dad.
20:12I'm not going to take sides.
20:13Can I just ask you something?
20:14Can I just tell you something?
20:15I'm not going to take sides but I'm going to say this.
20:17If that is your decision in life, hear me out, and has been since he did that unforgivable
20:22thing of stealing from you, then maybe you would better be served by not standing around
20:26slagging each other off but just get on with your lives without doing it.
20:29I want to get on with my life life but he's telling people, hold on a minute, he's telling
20:34people in town who he knows coming up to me and giving me threats if I go into town is
20:39going to hurt me with or without my kids in hand.
20:42So people are telling me what do I expect?
20:43I can't even take my kids in hand.
20:44Who's telling you because I don't hardly go into town?
20:46You want a relationship with your sister, don't you?
20:48Listen, I'm sick of trying.
20:49I don't want nothing.
20:50I am.
20:51Which says to me that you do.
20:52I want my family back but there's no chance of doing it, Jeremy.
20:57I don't want...
21:01Do you know what?
21:02Just for one minute, be quiet.
21:04It's just now been, Jeremy.
21:05I speak to one of my eldest sisters.
21:08You're not allowed to go round there when you coat up out your head and spice.
21:11I don't do coat.
21:12I don't do smack.
21:13I don't do crack.
21:14Yeah?
21:15You do spice though, don't you?
21:16I used to do spice.
21:17No, you still do spice.
21:18You've been caught buying it, Gary.
21:19Listen, listen.
21:20At what point do you stop battering this guy and say I'll at least give you a chance to
21:25turn your life round?
21:26What's he got to do with you what I smoke?
21:27No, but I'm going to help him and I think that you as his sister, then why don't you as
21:32his sister help me help him for God's sake?
21:33I need more than help.
21:34I need more than help.
21:35I need more than help.
21:36I need more than help.
21:37I've been 16 years without any sisters or family.
21:40I don't give a ****.
21:41You're dead to me.
21:42You're dead to me.
21:43You know what?
21:44Thanks, Jeremy.
21:45Thank you, Jeremy.
21:46You're dead.
21:47I was on it.
21:48Listen to me.
21:49I'll tell you one thing I'm going to do.
21:50Listen.
21:51That man there is going to help you, okay?
21:52He needs help.
21:53He's going to come round.
21:54I'm not slagging him.
21:55Listen, don't slag me down, mate, because where have you been?
21:57You've been nowhere.
21:58Go on.
21:59Go.
22:00Right?
22:01Go.
22:02So make sure you look after **** properly.
22:03I look after both of my kids.
22:04Because of me, you've got your son.
22:05Because of you?
22:06Neglect.
22:07Neglect.
22:08Neglect.
22:09I've been cleared off everything for two and a half years, mate.
22:11Social services, mate.
22:12Can I even get your file?
22:14Go away.
22:15You go.
22:16Could I say something to you?
22:17I know you're very loud and very boisterous, and I absolutely understand that you are, quite rightly,
22:23hacked off that he would do that and steal from you.
22:26It's not that easy.
22:27He's coming near me.
22:28Can you please do me a favour?
22:29Just listen to me.
22:32I know this goes against the grain.
22:34Just hear me out.
22:36You haven't been perfect, have you?
22:38No.
22:39I don't want to talk about your kids, but you've had your issues.
22:42Do you know what I think that amazed me about that story?
22:45What?
22:46Needs his sister.
22:48No, he can't have you.
22:50No, I know he can't have you right now, but I'll tell you categorically, I am going
22:55to make sure that we help him get off whatever he's on and get his life on track.
23:01And I will tell you this now, and I will not change.
23:03I'm not taking sides.
23:04HE NEEDS HIS SISTER.
23:07HE NEEDS YOU.
23:08FACT.
23:09It's fine.
23:10It's fine.
23:11It's fine.
23:12Listen.
23:13Last time I'm going to say it.
23:15You want nothing to do with him?
23:16That is your business.
23:17You will walk that way.
23:18We'll help him.
23:19But I want you to remember one thing when you leave today.
23:21HE NEEDS HIS SISTER.
23:24When somebody is that angry, when you strip it down.
23:28Thank you for coming on.
23:30Go that way.
23:31I'm not going that way, can I?
23:32I'm going this way.
23:37That's what the show's about.
23:38He's in a controlled environment.
23:39People having their say.
23:41Didn't like him.
23:42Don't agree with a lot of what he's done.
23:43But at 15 years of age, you get told on the back of a police car that your dad's taken
23:46his own life.
23:47Your sister blames you for that.
23:49It wasn't his fault.
23:50You go off the rails.
23:51You make some mistakes.
23:52You make some mistakes as well.
23:53You come on this show.
23:54You're really angry.
23:55And then you break down.
23:56Because you know what?
23:57He ain't had anyone in his life.
23:59And the way he's behaved is not good.
24:00But we'll let you know what happens.
24:02Graham will do his best.
24:03Back after this break.
24:04Don't go anywhere.
24:05Then he told me that he knew when he had his hands on my throat.
24:08He knew when to stop.
24:10Tell you what?
24:11No more.
24:12Right?
24:13I have worked so hard to be the person I am now.
24:15I do not know.
24:16I do not know.
24:17I do not know.
24:18My parents...
24:19I do not know how to to take my eyes off of karma.
24:20Now all these key stories...
24:21Harrison, are want me in these perpers.
24:23Papers!
24:36Welcome back, my next guest today.
24:38Mark is here to confront his strange wife Pam,
24:40whom he says is refusing to give him a divorce.
24:42He says that he will no longer put up with Pam's mind games,
24:45and today he finally wants his wife to sign the divorce papers,
24:47so frankly he never has to see her again.
24:50This is one heck of a story. Mark's on the stage.
24:52Give him a round of applause.
24:54Mark, how are you?
24:56Nice to meet you.
24:58This is one of the most shocking stories ever.
25:00I want a divorce, my wife is back with her ex.
25:03Mark, you've been with Pam for four years.
25:06Yeah, but the ex is the guy, the night we met,
25:08that she took me home to kick out of the house
25:10cos he used to beat her up.
25:14The first night I met Pam, she begged me to come over to hers
25:17and throw Charlie out of the house.
25:19I was Pam's saviour.
25:20I did what she wanted.
25:22Yeah, and he called the police and said I threatened him.
25:25When the police turned up she said no he didn't.
25:27And I said I'm not leaving him there cos I was delivering...
25:30What did she tell you about Charlie at that point?
25:32That's my question I guess.
25:33She'd been with him for three years.
25:35They hadn't had sex.
25:37Used to beat her up on a regular occurrence.
25:39Right.
25:40He actually beat her up once and left her on the doorstep all night,
25:43is what she told me.
25:45Why, if that's the case, is she now back with him?
25:49You tell me.
25:51You almost...
25:52Funny enough, last Thursday she rang me and told me she loved me.
25:56Then Monday she sent me a text saying her and Charlie were through.
26:00Do you love her?
26:02Do you love her?
26:03In a way.
26:04Yeah.
26:05I'm not in love with her.
26:06You say...
26:07You say she's an alcoholic and she is a habitual liar.
26:10Yeah.
26:11What are you implying by that?
26:12That she made up the allegations about Charlie?
26:17I'm not sure.
26:18But there's just lots of different things that just don't add up.
26:21Well, let's cut to the chase.
26:22You say she's made up allegations about you.
26:24She's accused you of abusing her on multiple times.
26:27Yeah.
26:28I mean, she's put me in prison four times.
26:30Twice I was on remand and I was...
26:32So you've been to prison for beating your wife up?
26:34No, accused of it.
26:36Why would you go to prison then?
26:37You were convicted, my friend.
26:38I was on remand.
26:39I've checked your details.
26:40Yeah, I know.
26:41You were convicted.
26:42Twice.
26:43So you've been convicted twice of beating your wife up?
26:45Yes.
26:46That's what I was accused of, yes.
26:47Do you know, this man said to my team,
26:48I took the guilty plea to help my wife.
26:51No, to stop her being dragged through court.
26:53The solicitor told me...
26:54This is a habitual liar in your words
26:56and here's the interesting thing.
26:58You saved her from him is what you told us
27:01because he was violent
27:03and only when confronted by it
27:04did you admit that you've done the same...
27:06You've been to prison twice for beating your wife up?
27:09Yes.
27:10For how long?
27:11Um...
27:12Six months and eight months.
27:14So you're telling me that never happened?
27:16No.
27:17I'm not saying no.
27:18I went to prison for it.
27:19So you did beat her?
27:20No, I don't think I did.
27:22I mean...
27:23You don't think you did?
27:24Just a drink, alright?
27:25From morning to night.
27:26Well done, mate.
27:27Alright?
27:28Carry on.
27:29And I would drink that much that I would go blank.
27:33That's healthy.
27:34Yeah, it was.
27:35And I've stopped.
27:36I've done three months counselling,
27:37three months anger management
27:39and I've got myself back on track.
27:41You say that she is a liar and an alcoholic
27:44and I want the divorce papers.
27:45Yeah.
27:46This from a man who...
27:47See, the weird thing about this story
27:48when I read it this morning was
27:49you apparently saved her from a bloke who beat her up
27:52and then she ended up with you
27:53who went to prison twice for beating her up
27:55and so scared is she of you allegedly
27:57she's now back with the original bloke
27:59who used to beat her up before you saved her.
28:00But I've not been with her.
28:01I've not seen her for three years.
28:03But you did beat her?
28:05Apparently, yeah.
28:06Did you not feel any remorse about it?
28:08Yes, of course I did.
28:09I've apologised her and I've said sorry
28:10and I've done me time for it.
28:12And we were trying to get...
28:13You did it twice?
28:14Yeah.
28:15I've done...
28:16You know, she said...
28:17Why are you here today?
28:19Because...
28:20What's the point of dragging it out?
28:22We want...
28:23Both want a divorce.
28:24She wants it on her terms.
28:25Yeah.
28:26And I've said yes.
28:27Put whatever you like...
28:28You're sober now.
28:29Is she still drinking?
28:31Well, apparently Charlie says she still binges.
28:34Yes.
28:35She's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
28:36That way.
28:51How are you?
28:52OK, thank you.
28:54You're an alcoholic?
28:55Nope.
28:56Do you drink?
28:58Nope.
28:59Not that much.
29:00When you were with Mark, Pam, did you drink a lot?
29:03Because I had no choice.
29:05Because you made me that big.
29:07You took everything away from me.
29:09Everything.
29:10My personality.
29:11Everything.
29:12You say he's a lying, manipulative bully who mentally and physically abused you.
29:15He is.
29:16I thought he was Prince Charming.
29:17Then he began controlling me.
29:18What do you mean?
29:19Yeah.
29:20Money.
29:21Fraud.
29:22In my...
29:23Yeah, my bank card.
29:24You had my PIN number.
29:25You were helping my...
29:26Helping yourself to my money.
29:28When?
29:29The...
29:30I went to the bank.
29:31They told me it was you who had been in my bank.
29:34You say he hit me black and blue.
29:35Yeah.
29:36And then the police took the photos.
29:38What's that there?
29:40These are your divorce papers, mate.
29:43Right?
29:44For a start.
29:47I'm so angry.
29:49Right?
29:50My terms.
29:51Right?
29:52Which I agreed to.
29:53You have not agreed to.
29:54You said you wouldn't do it.
29:55I've got...
29:56Excuse me.
29:57What is my date of birth?
29:58How long have you known me?
29:59When we met, what was...
30:01How old were you then?
30:02I knocked...
30:03Doesn't matter about that.
30:04No.
30:05I knocked nine years off my age because I wasn't even married to you.
30:09So what?
30:10Broke your foot?
30:11Yep.
30:12Strangled you?
30:13Is this right?
30:14Yep.
30:15Oh, you were too drunk to know, weren't you?
30:16And then he told me that he knew when he had his hands on my throat,
30:19he knew when to stop.
30:22So that meant I was going to die.
30:24But I'll tell you what...
30:25Come on, mate.
30:26You haven't said anything since you came out.
30:27I'll tell you what.
30:28No more.
30:29Right?
30:30I'm proud of you, Pat.
30:31With women's aid.
30:32With everyone.
30:33To be the person I am now.
30:34And I do love to roll over there.
30:37But then, you see, Pat, my problem with you is massive as well.
30:43Go on.
30:44It's very easy, isn't it, when you do a show like this.
30:46Mad.
30:47Nobody should beat anybody.
30:48No.
30:49What I don't get about you, Pat, and put it in the most subtle way is this.
30:51This guy saved you from an abusive relationship.
30:54With Charlie.
30:55Then you end up with him, who's abusive.
30:57And now you're back with Charlie, who beat you up before.
31:00I am not with Charlie.
31:02But Charlie beat you up, yes or no?
31:04True.
31:05That was a long time ago.
31:06And then this one beat you up.
31:07That was even worse.
31:08Did you send me a text on Monday saying that you and him were through
31:11and you want nothing to do with him?
31:13Well, what's he going to do with you anyway?
31:14Why would you text him that, then?
31:15I don't live with Charlie.
31:16Why would you text him that, then?
31:17Because all these key stories, Harrison, all about me and these papers.
31:20Why are you talking to my team so highly of Charlie, a man who beat you up in the past?
31:27Because we've got that started years ago.
31:29Well, why don't you walk away from both of these male bullies and be with somebody
31:33or be on your own so you're not with these gone men?
31:36Charlie's not like that anymore.
31:38I don't live with Charlie, I live on my own.
31:42And I love my life on my own.
31:44And my dog.
31:45I love it like that.
31:47And I wouldn't have you back.
31:48Well, you and Charlie are just friends, yeah?
31:50Charlie's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
31:52Are you sure?
31:58What a liar you are.
32:00I've never known anyone tell so many lies as you.
32:02The night I came round and I asked for Pam's phone charger, right?
32:07She sent me up and I said, oh, you like beating women up?
32:09And you said, no, no, I don't.
32:11And what did she do?
32:12Did she not come in and have a go at you?
32:14Yeah, maybe she did.
32:15But you didn't throw me out.
32:17Did you ever beat Pam up?
32:19No.
32:20She said she did!
32:21I'd hit her.
32:24The 1st of December for three years, I've been nowhere near her.
32:27All I want is a divorce.
32:28You went to prison for beating your missus up twice.
32:30And you beat her as well, didn't you?
32:32I did.
32:33What?
32:34How did you change your life?
32:35How many times did you beat her?
32:36Once or twice, I don't know, I can't remember.
32:37Were you drunk?
32:38Probably.
32:39There's a common denominator here, isn't there?
32:40Everybody's drunk the whole time.
32:41We were on holiday at the time.
32:42Pam, if you surely get to a point in your life where that is normal, then you have to
32:47change your life.
32:48I did change my life.
32:49It strikes me that despite the fact that Charlie did what he did, so horrific was your experience
32:53at the hands of Mark, you've gone back to something that you know, and I'm not being disrespectful
32:58to you.
32:59Maybe you can change.
33:00But you should be on your own for a while.
33:01I have been on my own.
33:02ли searly, I've always been here.
33:22Sorry?
33:23She is on her own, I'm a friend that's all.
33:25What about this one here?
33:26Why won't you sign the divorce papers?
33:27Because it's not right. My terms. Physical, mental abuse.
33:31Did I send you a text on Monday saying put what you like on the papers and send them to me?
33:36No, you, you, you, you want, you send me the papers, so you do it right then.
33:40So you both want a divorce? Yes.
33:42We will sit you down, we will do the thing, we will work out what needs to be said,
33:46we'll get it signed, and you don't have anything to do with each other, do you?
33:49That's brilliant. And you?
33:51You? Charlie will always be my friend. Always.
33:55Better than a f***ing like you.
34:07Our daily routine every day was...
34:10You went to prison twice for beating your wife up.
34:13And I've been to counsellor... Disgusting.
34:15Yes, I agree. Disgusting.
34:16I've apologised and I've done my time. We will sit you down.
34:19She has and you have agreed to do this, we'll do the divorce, you stay there,
34:22I'll go to a break, but it's over. It's finished.
34:25That's all I wanted. More next. Don't go anywhere. Right back.
34:28Why would you not do a DNA on the eldest child? Because it's not his, is it?
34:33It isn't, David.
34:34Because he knows deep down, he's dead.
34:36Well, he obviously doesn't know deep down whether he hasn't slept with somebody else, does he?
34:41Since the start of your relationship, apart from what you've just admitted to,
34:45have you passionately kissed anyone else? You said no.
34:47Why'd you say no, Beth?
34:53Is someone you know leading a double life?
34:55Maybe you suspect your partner of having a baby or an affair with someone else.
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35:25Thank you very much. Welcome back.
35:27Now you might just remember my next guest from a previous encounter, Concentrate.
35:30Take a look at this, my friends.
35:33You're 21 and you're going out with who?
35:36David.
35:37How many kids have you got?
35:38Two.
35:39Are they all is?
35:39Yeah, they are.
35:40Right. She says you cheated on David.
35:42No, I haven't cheated on her.
35:43Not at all.
35:44I don't know.
35:45Mia and Chelsea, go on.
35:46What are you?
35:47What are you?
35:48What are you?
35:48What are you?
35:49What are you?
35:50What are you?
35:50You a stupid little girl.
35:51Right, you're with her brother and she's with David.
35:54Why the hell don't you just get on with your own damn life?
35:56She can't say, she can't say, she can't say, she can't say, she can't say, she can't say.
35:58You're stupid.
35:59How are you?
36:01Because you, you're doing?
36:02He's breaking me, him up and you're, he's working, all right?
36:05He's working.
36:05Did a man have his hand down her pants?
36:07No, he never.
36:08She's one-lighting little car.
36:10The truth is, right, Charlie's David and just started...
36:13Are you...
36:13...not be the father?
36:14No, I'm 100%.
36:15No, it's just rumours going around.
36:18Has Beth ever cheated on you?
36:19No.
36:20What about the man with his hand down your pants?
36:22That's never happened.
36:23Never happened.
36:23Do you think it happened?
36:24Well, no, I don't.
36:26He wasn't even sure about...
36:27He asked her to come on to Jamie Carlin.
36:28She went, and you can't even lie about it.
36:31She went, I'll go on it, but I ain't doing a lie detector.
36:33No, we don't need to be lying detector.
36:35No, he didn't say that.
36:37You're the one who's saying it.
36:40How many times do I look confused?
36:41Despite that positive DNA result on the youngest,
36:44David says that girlfriend Beth is still being accused of cheating.
36:46He wants to silence the rumours once and for all
36:49with a lie detector test, but he does have one question.
36:51If Beth is not a cheat,
36:53why is she still refusing to do a DNA test on their other child?
36:57Big day for this guy.
36:58David's back on the show that way.
37:05Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
37:07Let's make this really, really, really, really simple.
37:09How long have you been with Beth?
37:11Three years.
37:11Two kids.
37:12Yeah.
37:13We did the DNA on the youngest child last time
37:16because of all sorts of rumours from other people, right?
37:18Yeah.
37:18Yeah.
37:19The kid is yours.
37:20Yeah.
37:20Why are we back?
37:21Back to here again because apparently the second child I've got with Bethany
37:25isn't mine.
37:26Which is older.
37:27Yeah, which is older, yeah.
37:28Two years old, yeah.
37:29Apparently he's not mine and that my...
37:30Who said that?
37:32Chelsea and Chris.
37:33Chelsea and Chris who were on the show last time.
37:35Why don't you...
37:36You're in the front row.
37:37What has this got to do with you?
37:39Why don't you just keep your noses out?
37:41Not just me who said it, though, is it?
37:43But you're always there!
37:46Because she keeps bringing me into stuff.
37:47Do you, in your heart of hearts, believe this woman when she says
37:52this kid is yours and I haven't cheated?
37:53Yeah, 100%.
37:54No, 100%.
37:55Yeah, 100%.
37:56I believe her.
37:57It's just remit.
37:57That would all be well and good, wouldn't it?
37:59But she's refused to do her DNA.
38:02Yeah, but 100% I don't need the DNA.
38:05Why?
38:05100% no, he's mine.
38:06I just know he's mine.
38:07You're a mug, aren't you?
38:08No.
38:09No.
38:09So, but she's agreed finally to do the lie detector?
38:12Yeah, she's finally agreed to do the lie detector.
38:14Surely you'll find out if she's a cheat on that then.
38:16Yeah, obviously I will.
38:17So you think she's going to pass the lie detector?
38:19Yeah, of course I do.
38:19Totally.
38:20And then what?
38:20You say to everybody, what if they're right?
38:22What if everybody's right?
38:23What if she's a cheat?
38:24What if this has been a smokescreen?
38:25What if she's been denying doing this and saying,
38:27I've been watching this for ages.
38:29What's going to happen?
38:31I'm clueless.
38:31I really don't know, to be honest.
38:32You're just going to stay with her, aren't you?
38:34I really don't know what's going to happen.
38:36What?
38:36How does that?
38:37Obviously, the rumours don't help.
38:38All the rumours don't help.
38:39What if she's a cheat?
38:42Well, I'll cross that bridge when it comes to it.
38:44Why do you think she's refusing the DNA when she's done one of the youngest
38:48and is happy to do a lie detector?
38:49Why?
38:50She just doesn't want to do it.
38:51She doesn't have to do it.
38:52She doesn't have to be forced to do it.
38:55Oh, man.
38:56I want to be so nice.
38:56You've got Dorma and Mug slashed across your forehead.
39:00I know he's my child.
39:01That's it.
39:01I don't need no DNA.
39:02Do you think she's going to pass the lie detector?
39:04Yes, I do.
39:05And if she doesn't, why wouldn't you stand up and go,
39:07I'm worth more than that.
39:08I don't treat me.
39:08Let's all do one.
39:09We know from the past show, as you do, that there was a bit of cheating at the beginning
39:19of the relationship.
39:19Do you know what I think?
39:20I think that she's on some sort of pedestal in your mind.
39:22I think that you'd forgive her anything.
39:27I think that you either make...
39:29I'd want answers.
39:30I'd want answers, obviously.
39:32If she sat here today and failed the test, and it's true and done, you'd go back to her,
39:37wouldn't you?
39:38Not necessarily.
39:39No, I wouldn't.
39:40Yeah, you would.
39:40No, I wouldn't.
39:41I wouldn't.
39:41All I'm going to do is tell you this.
39:44If she does, and you do, that means she can get away with it forever.
39:48And let me tell you something.
39:49Eventually, my friend, and I know this, when you put your foot down and you realise that
39:54you deserve to be treated better, yeah, it's not great at the beginning, but then guess
39:57what?
39:58It's the best thing you ever did.
39:59Beth's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
40:08So, we meet again.
40:09Explain to me, because I'm obviously thick, don't look at Chelsea or Chris, why would
40:14you not do a DNA on the eldest child?
40:17Because it's not his, is it?
40:18It is it, David.
40:19Well, then why won't you just do it and label it?
40:22And what is your problem?
40:23Don't need to prove anything to anyone at the end of the day.
40:25Then why are you here doing a lie detector test, then?
40:29Let's do it every one around.
40:30In the past...
40:31Don't look at the floor.
40:34In the past, you've refused a lie detector, today you want to do one.
40:37Well, you're going to ring up in a week's time and do a DNA.
40:40Maybe she's right, maybe you just love the drama.
40:43Why wouldn't you nail it all today?
40:46Because I don't want to put my child through that.
40:48Why should I?
40:49Because he knows deep down he's...
40:50Well, he obviously doesn't know deep down whether he hasn't slept with somebody else,
40:55does he?
40:56Obviously he does.
40:57What's the relationship like at the moment?
40:59Fine.
41:01Yeah, because you've got him exactly where you want him, haven't you?
41:04However.
41:05Because he's absolutely in awe of you and you know it, you're smug, aren't you?
41:10You could cheat on him and he'd let you off, wouldn't he?
41:12Come on, Beth.
41:15Why would I cheat on him?
41:16If I was going to cheat on him, I wouldn't have two kids with him at the end of the day.
41:19Why are they so anti you, Beth?
41:21I really don't know.
41:23Answer that, guys.
41:24Why are you so against this woman?
41:25It's just what's happened in the past.
41:28Do you think she's going to be a cheat on this test?
41:30I really don't know.
41:31And I ought to go now for Bethany's sake, she isn't a cheat.
41:35But here's the sad thing.
41:36I might as well throw that in the toilet because you're such a mug.
41:38What's the matter, does it?
41:39No, I'm not a mug.
41:40Really?
41:41Yeah.
41:42So, what's going to happen if you have failed, haven't you?
41:44Why would I fail?
41:46What?
41:47Note from the lie detector expert.
41:49We know this, I made the point at the beginning, Beth admitted to kissing two people on one occasion.
41:55Each at the beginning of the relationship, one of the people touched her breast and down below over her clothing.
42:00Is that right?
42:01You knew about that?
42:02Yeah, we knew about that, didn't we?
42:03I just said that since the start of your relationship, apart from what you've just admitted to.
42:08Have you passionately kissed anyone else?
42:10You said no.
42:10Why'd you say no, Beth?
42:12Tell me the truth.
42:12Test as you're a liar, Beth.
42:13Come on, Beth.
42:17Get your hand out of your hand.
42:19Oh, here we go.
42:19You know that I told you everything.
42:20Oh, you're going to have a go at you now.
42:22She's going to have a go.
42:23Since the start of your relationship with David, apart from what you've just admitted to,
42:26you've had sexual contact with any other person.
42:28She said no because she was lying, David.
42:32Hey, guess what, pal?
42:33She lied on every single question.
42:35Including your divorce.
42:35Telling the truth, Beth, because he needs answers.
42:40His kids are going to miss him.
42:41Why are you dragging on that?
42:43Why am I mistrallers when I'm not?
42:46I'm not going to tell you about it.
42:47What can I tell you about you?
42:49You're not going to tell you about me.
42:52Grow a pair.
43:01Mate, you have got to confront this woman.
43:03I don't know how to put this to you, but if you don't do this, it ain't any better.
43:10She's, we put all the stuff that she admitted to and she's failed every question.
43:14She walks away from you.
43:16She doesn't even say sorry or try and justify it.
43:19What is wrong with you?
43:22I need the DNA test done now.
43:23I'm not sure at all.
43:25What did you say?
43:26I need the DNA test done.
43:27I'm not sure at all now.
43:29You're absolutely right, pal.
43:32Where is she?
43:33It's time to tell you, bud.
43:35Go in there and get your answers.
43:38I would.
43:39You want to go and get your answers?
43:42There's Charlie.
43:43Come on, the three of you.
43:44Where is she?
43:44Where is she?
43:45Where is she?
43:45Where is she?
43:46Where is she?
43:47I'm not bothered about where she's coming.
43:50Where is she coming?
43:52Where is she?
43:53Come on, you lot.
43:56Honestly, walk it around, Steve.
43:57Come on, not running around after you.
44:02Don't run this damn show.
44:03You're the liar.
44:04Come here.
44:06Well, you will be upset because you're a liar, aren't you?
44:08Come on.
44:09Did cheat on him, didn't you?
44:11No.
44:12Come on, babe.
44:14Do the DNA test.
44:18Kid's not his, is it?
44:20No, because he's not well-trained and he's got a bad ear infection.
44:23Mm.
44:24But you did cheat on David, didn't you?
44:26No.
44:26Yeah, you watched for the test then.
44:28You couldn't look anybody in the eye, could you?
44:31And your boyfriend's so in love with you that he'll let you get away with it.
44:34Go on, David.
44:36I need answers.
44:37I need answers.
44:38I need to know who it is.
44:39I need to know now who it is.
44:42Definitely.
44:42Even if it's not here, at least tell him in, like, somewhere away from the cameras.
44:45Go on, speak to him in a green room because there's kids in the middle of this happening.
44:48I need to refer on them.
44:50He needs the DNA.
44:51If you don't want to do it in front of us.
44:53Do you understand?
44:53At the end of the day, I want to fall with everything, all of you.
44:56Right, just say, listen to me.
44:57I need to do an air text off.
44:58Listen to me.
44:59I need to do an air text off.
45:00Right, you have got two kids with this man.
45:03Right, you need to prove Dylan is ace.
45:06I need to.
45:06And you need to sort your relationship after it is a sham.
45:12You can't carry on being in a relationship with your talk, Dick and Harry.
45:15You can't do it to the kids.
45:17You can't do it.
45:19Interesting advice.
45:20Can I ask you a question?
45:23Can I ask you a question?
45:24Look at me.
45:26Look at me.
45:30Come here.
45:31One camera.
45:31Come here.
45:32Nobody else.
45:32One camera.
45:33Go left.
45:34One camera.
45:35Just come here.
45:36Come here.
45:37Come here.
45:37Come here.
45:37Listen to me.
45:38Look at me.
45:38Look at me.
45:40Look at me and don't look away.
45:42You're scared of the DNA, aren't you?
45:44Yeah.
45:45Okay.
45:46All right, listen.
45:46That's fine.
45:47Sit there.
45:48Graham, get me Graham, please.
45:49And bring me just David and nobody else.
45:52Shut the door.
45:53I don't care what anybody else says.
45:55I want the DNA test done.
45:56Definitely not.
45:56David, come and take a seat.
45:57I want the DNA test done.
45:58She's just admitted that she is scared of the DNA, which means that...
46:02I need the DNA test done.
46:03I know.
46:03Which means, look at me.
46:05I need it doing.
46:06You did cheat, didn't you?
46:07I want to know the name.
46:12I want to know the person.
46:12It doesn't matter who she slept with.
46:14I want to know.
46:15I think the very least you can do is offer this man a DNA test.
46:19Yeah, I want the DNA test done.
46:21You can give me now.
46:22I can't play a part in Dylan's life until you prove to me that he's mine.
46:25I can't do it.
46:26Definitely not doing it.
46:27Charlie, I will, but Dylan, no.
46:29All you're thinking about is that that DNA test is going to say that he's not the father
46:34and your life's maybe going to be finished.
46:35Maybe it will be, but it needs doing.
46:39For the child's sake, for David's sake, for your sake.
46:42You must have known you were going to be found out to have cheated on him, but still, that's
46:46better to sweep under the carpet the paternity of a kid.
46:48Look at me.
46:50Needs doing, babe.
46:51You know that, don't you?
46:53Needs doing, but I want it doing.
46:55Come back tomorrow and do it.
46:57Yeah.
46:58I want it doing.
46:59Stay tonight, come back tomorrow morning, do the DNA test, we'll discover the truth,
47:03and I promise you this show will help you, whatever the outcome.
47:06Right.
47:06Maybe I was wrong out there.
47:08Maybe you can get over something else, but it's time for the lies to end.
47:11It's time for the BS to finish.
47:13It's time to get the truth.
47:14What's going to happen now is you're not going to make a decision right now, okay?
47:17We're going to sit down, all of us, we're going to have a chat about this, okay?
47:21Everyone's quite emotional right now.
47:22We're going to sit down, have a chat about this, and then we'll ask you what you want to do, okay?
47:28He's absolutely right, but I would go further.
47:30I'm going to finish the show today, and I'm going to say this to you.
47:32It's one of those things in life that you literally can't do anything about.
47:39Sometimes you just have to face it, and I'm always controlled by the thought that in 24 hours it'll all be over.
47:45Look at me.
47:46You're consumed by fear that it's not his and that will ruin your life.
47:50It might be.
47:51Let's do the right thing.
47:54You sit and you talk to Graham, but I hope that you're back here tomorrow morning, because I think that is the right thing to do for David, for your child, and for you.
48:05See you tomorrow.
48:06Take care.
48:06Bye-bye for now.
48:07Would this relationship with our help get back on train?
48:15Yeah, with your help, yeah.
48:18What about if the baby's not yours?
48:20I mean, merely big doubts, to be fair.
48:22My head would be all over the place.
48:23I wouldn't know what to do.
48:24You know you failed the lie detector.
48:26Was this early on in the relationship?
48:28I think...
48:29Is it around the time he conceived?
48:33Probably. I can't even remember.
48:36I'll just pop his mind, but I'll stay over there for him if he isn't.
48:39The DNA testers ought to show that David...
48:49Steve Wilson's looking at some of the magic-inspired gifts available to buy this Christmas.
48:54And Sir David Jason's stopping by for a chat in This Morning, next.
48:59We'll see you next time.