The Jeremy Kyle Show 4th December 2017
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00:10On today's show, Jason is here for all important lie detector results as he firmly believes that his fiancée Hayley has been cheating.
00:17This couple are currently sleeping in separate beds due to how bad things have gone.
00:21And so convinced is Jason that Hayley's been up to no good.
00:24He's even got a taxi on standby outside the studio if she should fail.
00:30I cheat. Never have been. Never will be. Taxi's working.
00:34Well, good. Take it back then and get in that taxi and do one then.
00:37Because if not, I'll keep walking.
00:45The reason why our marriage broke down is because if you haven't been fair behind my back and you've tried to unwind my mum,
00:51unless I was in the hotel room, she's told me more.
00:54You've always tried to put me down. I am a brilliant mother.
01:02You can't even be a brilliant mother.
01:04You gave clearly up when she was three.
01:06Excuse me.
01:08You can both. I'm telling the truth.
01:10I know.
01:10You two can write.
01:10I know, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:38Right, the first guest, Jason, is here for all important lie detector results as he firmly believes that his fiancée Hayley has been cheating.
01:45Now, this couple are currently sleeping in separate beds due to how bad things have gone.
01:49And so convinced is Jason that Hayley's been up to no good,
01:52he's even got a taxi on standby outside the studio waiting to take him straight home if she should fail.
01:58This is a massive day. Jason is on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
02:02CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:09That's all right, brother.
02:11Clothes.
02:12Oh, I'm gone if she fails this.
02:14Ooh!
02:16Is this your bag?
02:18Yes.
02:18What's in here?
02:19Some clothes.
02:21You've literally got your clothes, you've got the taxi and you're out of here.
02:24Oh, yeah, definitely.
02:25Welcome to the show, Jase.
02:26Um, so, so, so that is literally going to take you from here and take you home?
02:31Yeah.
02:32Because you're so convinced she's a cheat?
02:33Yeah.
02:34How long have you been with Hales then?
02:35Nearly 14 years.
02:3714 years?
02:38Yeah.
02:39Um, engaged for eight years.
02:41Can I just point out, I don't mean to be rude, how many, she's been here before,
02:44how many years ago did she do a lie detector on this show?
02:47Three, about three years ago.
02:49And she completely passed it?
02:50Yeah, she did, yeah.
02:51So why isn't that enough?
02:52What's the matter with you, man?
02:53Because she's been at it again with lies and deceit and, do you know what I mean?
02:58I know she's cheating, she's acting suspicious, she disappears the whole time.
03:02Yeah.
03:03I've had enough now.
03:04It stops.
03:05You're full of it.
03:05No.
03:06You're full of it.
03:07You're full of it.
03:07I'm not a cheat.
03:08Never have been.
03:08Yes, you are.
03:09Never will be.
03:09Yes, you are.
03:11I've had enough.
03:12I've had enough.
03:12I've had enough.
03:13Taxi's waiting.
03:15Well, getting that taxi.
03:15Taxi's waiting.
03:16Taxi's waiting.
03:16Taxi's waiting.
03:17Well, good.
03:18Good.
03:19Well, this is good.
03:20I'm going to get in that taxi and do one, then.
03:21Well done.
03:22Because if not, I'll keep walking.
03:24I'll walk as far as my feet will take me, and I can walk a lot farther than you.
03:28Yeah, whatever.
03:28Whatever.
03:30Whatever.
03:35Um, why don't you trust her again?
03:38Because she's a compulsive liar.
03:41Now, you say she has pictures of bedrooms on her phone?
03:44Yeah, which is not my bedroom.
03:47Can we see the photographs?
03:48How did you get them, anyway?
03:49Off her phone.
03:51What?
03:51What?
03:51That's very not my hair.
03:57That makes you think that she's cheating.
03:59No.
04:00That, right, that is, she said she was somewhere else when her phone...
04:05What, do you think she's in a tree having it off?
04:06No, no, no.
04:08Classic.
04:09What about this?
04:10Exactly.
04:11Right?
04:11What do you mean, exactly?
04:12Her phone...
04:13Maybe she likes sky dishes.
04:14No, her phone, right, said she was somewhere else.
04:18What do you mean her phone said?
04:19Location services on phone.
04:22You might think I don't know about this.
04:24Because you know where she is.
04:26Right.
04:28She said she was in this particular place.
04:30You check with location services where your missus is.
04:34No.
04:34I was just messing with her phone.
04:36No, you weren't.
04:36You knew exactly what you were doing, didn't you?
04:38Yeah, I did.
04:39You that, you that, you that, so you that don't trust her, that you've switched something
04:46on and you find, right, so let's, right, so obviously she's, I don't know, she's sleeping
04:50with a roofer.
04:51What's that?
04:52That's...
04:53Spying on a phone.
04:54I don't even know how to use a bleeding phone.
04:56Well, I do, so go and sit down until I tell you to come out.
04:59Shut up.
05:00No, me.
05:01Michael.
05:02What?
05:04What's this?
05:06I don't know, who's that, who's, how's that is?
05:08How is she, what, what, so why would, what, help me out?
05:11Hey, Jeremy, she said it wouldn't have her house, it would have her bedroom.
05:15Why would she take a photograph, she's having sex with somebody, why wouldn't she just leave
05:18her phone somewhere, why would she take a photograph, incriminating evidence?
05:21I went round to the house.
05:22Did you?
05:22Yes.
05:23Does it look like that?
05:24No.
05:25They showed me the bedrooms and it's not like that.
05:26They showed you the bedrooms, you're in bed, it's not like that.
05:29I'm not, darling, I'm astin'.
05:31So, what, so, so you literally go round there and you knock on the door and you go.
05:34With her phone.
05:36You've got her phone.
05:37And how does she explain these pictures, help me out.
05:39She just says she don't know.
05:41That's her answer, I don't know.
05:43Um, the sex has changed.
05:45Yeah.
05:46What does that mean?
05:47She's not, it's, how can I put it?
05:50She's acting completely different to what she's acted, all the 14 years I've been with
05:56there, when we've been intimate.
05:57So what is it that she's doing differently?
06:01Long boots on and being dirty, we're not going on, I mean.
06:04Long boots and nothing else?
06:07Yeah.
06:07And then, oh, look at you, yeah.
06:09And isn't it true she started talking dirty?
06:12Yeah, and sex toys.
06:13Sex toys?
06:14Which we've never, ever used.
06:16Never, ever used?
06:17No, but it's just.
06:18And are you.
06:18Excuse me a minute, right?
06:19Sorry, right?
06:20Three years ago we were in here, right?
06:22We went to a local shop, you bought me some new shoes, right?
06:24I was going to wear them.
06:25What did you say yesterday at home?
06:26Don't wear them, you look better than your long boots.
06:28I like it in your long boots.
06:29Make your mind up.
06:31Tell me about the sex toys.
06:33What sex toys?
06:34Because I've been told when I never have.
06:36Yeah, of course I do, yeah.
06:37Never bought one, never bought one, never used one in all my life.
06:41And I'm 65.
06:43I'm 60.
06:44So she talks dirty, there's sex toys or there aren't sex toys,
06:49she's taking pictures of other people's bedrooms.
06:51Yeah, lying to her.
06:53What's this video you've done for me?
06:55Showing you where she's sleeping in single bed.
06:59I'm in double bed.
07:01What's this?
07:01Brilliant.
07:02Right, that is where me and Hayley sleep when we're talking
07:05and when we're getting on.
07:08That's our double bed.
07:11When we're not talking,
07:12that's the single bed where she's sleeping.
07:15And that's where she's sleeping at the minute.
07:17So she's in that bed at the minute.
07:20I'm in this double bed at the minute.
07:22So you think she's a cheat?
07:24I'm sitting there for telling you till I'm going to be based.
07:26So what about if she...
07:27Hayley's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
07:32What's going on, Hayles?
07:38Oh, it also hurts.
07:39I'm sick to death, but it is pathetic.
07:41He's a grown man.
07:42He's 45.
07:43You should know better.
07:45He's paranoid.
07:46Oh, paranoid in the bleeding work.
07:47Who's made me paranoid, though?
07:48Well, yeah, me.
07:49Who's fault is all this?
07:50My fault.
07:51There you go.
07:52Why is it your fault?
07:55Because of things I've done.
07:56What have you done?
07:57Well, I used to be an heroin addict,
07:59as you know, from last time.
08:00I'd touch that in nine years.
08:01Stopped drinking alcohol.
08:05We're on alcohol for years and years.
08:07Did an alcohol detox and fell off wagon.
08:10You say I get daily abuse from this man.
08:12I'm sick of it.
08:12I've bent over backwards for him.
08:14Oh, bent over backwards, yeah.
08:15Literally right, just only a **** for him at all.
08:18I've got five-year-old.
08:20Can we talk about the pictures?
08:21Because, I mean, I think they have you bang to rights,
08:24then, pictures.
08:24Well, yeah, they do.
08:25Yeah, they do.
08:26I mean, patently, you were having sex with a man in a tree.
08:29In a tree, yeah.
08:30A tree, yeah.
08:31Yeah.
08:31This was obviously...
08:32On top of somebody's roof, yeah.
08:34Yeah.
08:35It was great.
08:36I'm pretty...
08:36I don't know how it didn't break,
08:37you know what I mean?
08:38Somebody's bedroom.
08:41Yeah, yeah.
08:42At it, and you take a picture of the bedding.
08:44Oh, yeah, of course I can't do it, yeah.
08:46What about this?
08:46What's that?
08:47That's afterwards?
08:48Yeah.
08:48Looking up at the ceiling and thinking it was great.
08:50Whose house is that bedding?
08:51I went round to...
08:53How do you explain these...
08:54Because her...
08:55Like I said...
08:55This is brilliant, by the way.
08:56Her explanation.
08:57Well, let her explain, because I...
08:59Yeah, explanation, yeah.
09:00Tell them your explanation.
09:00I walk up and down the street,
09:01and I have my phone in my hand all the time.
09:03The other day, I went up to his local shop.
09:05Come back, and I took 15 photos.
09:06No, no, no, no.
09:08Cars, houses.
09:10Why?
09:11Because it just happened to me on,
09:12and they just take pictures all the time.
09:15I catch it butting.
09:16It's one of them with my turn.
09:17See what I mean?
09:18And it just catches pictures,
09:19because it says,
09:20alien phones beeping.
09:20Why is it beeping?
09:22I said, I'm just being up to a local shop.
09:23I'm about 15, 20 photos.
09:25Jack bubbles, man.
09:26That allows us, cars, all the work.
09:28Chat bubbles.
09:29Like you do.
09:30You chat bubbles?
09:32What does that mean?
09:33Waffling, waffling.
09:34What about the sexy look that thigh-high boots? What about the dirty talk and the new tricks?
09:38Dirty talk? I've never dirty talked and no tricks. Well, he's told me to wear these bleeding boots.
09:43I don't care what you know. He says...
09:46He says...
09:49Sack, come on, you're laughing now. He's quite serious about this.
09:53Yes, I know it is. He says you're more adventurous. What does that mean?
09:57Well, you'll tell me. I'm not there. Ask him.
10:00That's why I don't know. He's just saying.
10:02Lately, what have I been saying to you?
10:04It's different down below. It's disgusting. It's degrading.
10:07What's this about the double bed and the single bed and the sex toys?
10:10I haven't got any sex toys in those fault, but I haven't.
10:13What? You use certain things as sex toys, Aileen?
10:17It's getting worse now.
10:19We haven't done that, Jason, for years.
10:20There's a bloke in the front row that just went like that.
10:24What are we talking about, then, now? What are we talking about?
10:27Brush handles. Airbrush handles.
10:30You really do think she's cheating?
10:32Yeah, he does.
10:32Yeah.
10:33What's it like on a daily basis?
10:34Oh, terrible. I've had enough.
10:37He's here on his backpack. I'm ready for walking.
10:39Yeah, but, Aileen, if you want to cause the...
10:41I wouldn't be calling you like names in there.
10:42I know we wouldn't be in this predicament, would we?
10:44No, we won't. No, we won't.
10:45I'm going to go to a break.
10:46After the break, we're going to do some lie detector results.
10:49If she fails, he's getting in a cab, which is outside right now.
10:55And I'm right back!
10:56We asked, Aileen, since your last lie detector three years ago,
10:59if you have sexual intercourse with anyone else,
11:01just to remind you, if you fail this test,
11:05he says he's going because there's a taxi outside.
11:08Why do you say no?
11:09I can tell you so.
11:09Are you sure about that?
11:10I am.
11:34It's all kicking off. Security.
11:36Oh!
11:36Oh!
11:37Oh!
11:37Oh!
11:38Oh!
11:38Oh!
11:39Oh!
11:39Oh!
11:40Oh!
11:40Oh!
11:40Oh!
11:40Oh!
11:40Oh!
11:40Oh!
11:43This test says you're a liar, love.
11:46This isn't about you,
11:47this is about your children.
11:49Oh, here we go, the car will increase.
11:51OK, more happiness after...
11:55Oh, get off!
11:57No, no, no, no!
12:01Oh, my Lord!
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12:43Good welcome back
12:4614 years. Yeah, Jason came on and said I know she's cheating. She's suspicious. She has dodgy pictures on her phone
12:51She's changed sexually. She started using sex toys. You came out. He said I've had enough of this drive me nuts
12:57You haven't changed at all. He wants you to wear the busy those boots. Yeah, I don't think you're gonna leave her at all
13:02I think it's all front. Yeah, we'll watch then
13:04Oh
13:06Why are we still together? Ask him?
13:08Why are we still together then 14 years later? Why not go after the last show even though I passed the last show?
13:12Because she passed the last one early, right? And then since that
13:14And what if she passes this? When are you gonna think that it's you that's got the problem if she doesn't drop it?
13:18No, no, not at all
13:20So what if she passes it's good?
13:22Yeah, well
13:23For what another three years?
13:24Until she starts lying and deceiving and
13:26What does she call you? She calls you some names doesn't she?
13:28No, it's me that calls her
13:29It's waiting what calls me again
13:30What does he call you?
13:31Oh god, I couldn't go on forever
13:33You're better Mucky Margaret
13:35Gullymont streets with rats because that's what you are a rat
13:42Yeah, I could go on forever
13:45You're very flippant but it can't be nice
13:47No it's nice, it's disgusting
13:48How many people in this audience think that Hayley's cheated?
13:51Doesn't that tell you something Jason?
13:54No
13:55So you don't trust her?
13:56No, no
13:57No?
13:58No
13:59We asked Hayley since your last lie detector three years ago if he had sexual intercourse with anyone else just to remind you if you fail this test he says he's going because there's a taxi outside
14:11Yeah
14:12Why did you say no?
14:13Because I'm telling the truth
14:14Are you sure about that?
14:15Yes I am
14:16Of course she was telling the truth
14:18Jason
14:19And since your last lie detector three years ago have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
14:23She said no because your lady of 14 years was telling the truth Jason
14:27And since your last lie detector three years ago have you passionately kissed anybody else?
14:33The people who watched this know what I'm about to say
14:35It's a full house mate
14:36She passed every single question again
14:38CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
14:40Where's she going now?
14:43Come on, come on
14:45Let's get out
14:46Where are you going?
14:47I think I might get in the damn taxi at this track
14:49Where's she going?
14:50Where's she going?
14:51Where's she going?
14:52I'm going to tell you
14:53Are you OK?
14:54Yes, well thank you
14:55Get here, we love up
14:56Get here
14:57I'm not a dog
14:58Slow down, love
15:00What's happening, I'm going up me ladder
15:07I'm going up here
15:12Take him up here and throw him off here
15:14Right, go on
15:15Let me read it
15:16Let me read it
15:17I'll probably not believe you and her, Jeremy
15:19That's twice in three years I think it's your issue, not hers
15:22Well
15:23We're going to have to talk about it, aren't we?
15:25We're going to have to talk about it, listen
15:27Listen
15:28Let me ask you a question, have you been cheated on before?
15:30No
15:31Right, this lady has passed two lie detectors in three years
15:35Yeah
15:36This is a woman who had problems with drugs and drink and has been clean
15:39Have you had problems with drink and drugs?
15:40Yeah, I have, yeah
15:41Or maybe that's left an insecurity about you?
15:42No, not at all
15:43Mate, she's done nothing wrong
15:45No, but she's put the doubts in my head in the first place
15:47Well you blame her, but she's passed two tests
15:49And the way that you treat her, the things that you say you can't carry on like that
15:52No, I can't, no, you're right
15:53Then you have to apologise to her
15:54No, I'm not apologising to her
15:55Of course you are
15:56Not at all
15:57Not at all
15:58She put doubts in my head in first place
15:59Let yourself down
16:00Go home
16:01Get rid of the single bed and jump in the double bed
16:02Yeah
16:03Throw the hairbrush out of the window
16:05And have a nice
16:06Come on
16:07Say sorry to her
16:08You love her
16:09Put your bag down
16:10I do love her, yeah
16:11Well then put your bag down and stop being an idiot
16:12Go on
16:13I love you
16:14I love you too
16:15Right
16:16Give them a round of applause
16:17And I'm going to
16:18I'm going to
16:19I'm going to
16:20I'm going to
16:21I love you
16:22I love you
16:23I love you
16:24I love you
16:25I love you
16:26I love you
16:27They're going to have a chat with Graham
16:29And the show will continue in a minute
16:32When I'm actually going to go back on stage
16:33I'm going to
16:34Give me a round of applause
16:35Thanks
16:36I love you
16:37I love you
16:38I love you
16:39I love you
16:40Sorry about this everybody
16:41Do apologise
16:42I could have started
16:43We didn't have to do that
16:45It's fine
16:46Don't worry about me
16:47Out the way
16:48Out the way
16:49Out the way
16:50Round of applause
16:51Back
16:52Right
16:54My next guest Graham is here
16:56Because he says he quite literally has the mother-in-law from hell
16:58Graham believes his nemesis Mandy
17:00Never liked him from the day he got with a daughter
17:02Due to the fact that there's a 21 year age gap difference
17:05Today Graham says he's here to set the record straight about Mandy who he brands as a liar and terrible mother
17:11Strong words Graham's on the Jeremy Carr show that way
17:21How are you?
17:22I'm very well
17:23I've been all over the place this morning
17:24I've been up there down here
17:25Sitting up letters
17:26You're 56
17:27I am indeed
17:28You're very good for 56
17:29Thank you
17:30Welcome to the show
17:31My mother-in-law Mandy hates me
17:32Because I'm older than her
17:34Probably so yeah
17:35Absolutely
17:36She's your mother-in-law
17:37Yeah
17:38But you were with a daughter for 15 years
17:39But you've been separated for the last couple of months
17:41Yes
17:42Is that a situation that's final or are you trying to
17:44I'm hoping not no
17:45I mean I love Kelly to bits
17:47I mean
17:48Nothing would give me more pleasure than go home with her today
17:51But I know that's not going to happen
17:53I've still got to go back to London
17:54But we are trying to work things out
17:56I was warned about Mandy
17:58She knocks blokes out in the pub
18:00Yeah absolutely
18:01What the mother-
18:02Well literally knocks
18:03Absolutely yeah
18:04I mean it's
18:05The f-
18:06The very first time I met Mandy
18:08Erm
18:09I was warned by two very good friends where I used to work
18:12That you better be prepared to meet Mandy
18:15Really?
18:16Really
18:17That this
18:18I know
18:19You said she's never been a good mum
18:20She'd rather drink a can of Stella than buy her daughter a birthday card
18:24Absolutely yeah
18:25Yeah
18:26You put four cans of Stella
18:27Eight cans of Stella
18:28You put
18:29Kelly
18:30You lie
18:31You lie
18:34Mandy doesn't like you too much
18:36She always likes me
18:37I've had 12
18:38Are you saying to me that she actually won the day by getting a daughter away from you
18:40Is she being the reason that you split up?
18:42Of course she has
18:43So she's achieved what she wanted
18:44Well of course she has
18:45Why are you here today?
18:46You say she's an unpleasant a woman
18:47She is
18:48She is
18:49She's accused me of stealing the handbag
18:51Which I
18:52And
18:53But hold on a minute you also say
18:54I
18:55I was drunk
18:56I had an affair
18:57Hold on a minute is this true?
18:59You tried to get her to kiss you?
19:01Mandy the mother-in-law
19:02Yes this
19:03This was about
19:04This is not a good idea
19:06No I
19:07I know that but I was
19:08I'd had a few and I was
19:11I was
19:12Under the influence of drink
19:13And I did
19:14I'm not denying that
19:15I do
19:16So hold on you're warned about this woman
19:17She's knocked a bloke out in a pub
19:18Yep
19:19She's desperate to break me and her daughter up
19:20Yep
19:21The truth is this
19:22Whatever this woman is not a nice woman
19:24She's succeeded in getting me and her daughter a par
19:27Yes
19:28I do admit I tried it on with her once
19:29And I had an affair
19:30Which might also be why her daughter doesn't know
19:32This
19:33Why are you here today?
19:34To prove that you didn't steal from a mother
19:36Who's that shouting now?
19:37That sounds like Kelly
19:39You can't just blame my mum for all this
19:41You're the one who's done this to me
19:43Where's your mother gone?
19:44Oh by the
19:45The mother-in-law stormed
19:46Do you know what?
19:47I'm getting the daughter out
19:48It was supposed to be the mother-in-law
19:49Kelly's next
19:50Give her another
19:51She's round there
19:52You're blaming my mum for all this
19:57Surely not
19:58You can't do it
19:59I'm not
20:00The reason
20:01The reason
20:02You're blaming my mum for our marriage
20:03The reason why our marriage broke down
20:05Is because of you having an affair behind my back with
20:07Yes
20:08Yeah
20:09And you've tried it on with my mum
20:11And last night I was in the hotel room
20:13She's told me more
20:14That I didn't even know
20:15That you went round my house
20:17And said to her that you wish that you'd met her first
20:20No
20:22I can honestly say I've never said that
20:24Right
20:25Give me the camera
20:26I'll tell you what
20:27So you're
20:28Listen I don't actually understand why we're here
20:29But here's the point right
20:30That was
20:31That's your mother-in-law
20:32You two used to be married
20:33She didn't like the age difference
20:34But now you're split up
20:35Because you had an affair
20:36And tried it on with her
20:37And yet you're here to prove that you haven't stolen from Mandy
20:39And so are you
20:40This is messed up
20:41Back in a minute
20:42Don't go anywhere
20:43It was rubbing my leg
20:44And give me a kiss
20:45And I said
20:46Give you a kiss
20:47And then rub your leg
20:48I said
20:49Why did you say that
20:50You guys kissed your mother
20:51You're free
20:52I asked that we wasn't together
20:53But we wasn't together
20:54Oh so he gives you the right to do it then
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21:35Well welcome
21:36Well what are you doing?
21:37Now you're up and down like a
21:38What are you doing?
21:39I'm just so sussed out
21:40Can you help me out here?
21:42You met him and your mother didn't approve at all
21:44Right?
21:45So why are you here today?
21:47She's there
21:48You're here
21:49Can somebody tell me what's going on?
21:51I've split up with Graham
21:53Why?
21:54Because I know it was five years ago since he had this affair
21:57But I can't live with him
21:59I just can't get over it
22:01Can't forget
22:02And now I've heard this about my mum
22:04What did you hear about your mum?
22:06Well he's kissed her
22:07Is that right?
22:08No I haven't kissed her
22:09Have you touched her leg?
22:11Yes you have
22:12You have
22:13Big boy
22:15And then last night at the hotel room
22:17My mum tells me that he'd said
22:19When she walked in
22:20Oh you look really nice
22:21I wish I'd met you before me
22:22Is that true?
22:23That's not true
22:24You're looking a bit more shifty
22:25But then can we bring in
22:26And then now
22:27And then I got married
22:28What's this theft thing?
22:29What's this accusation of theft?
22:30That he's stolen from Mandy
22:32Do you not think your mother's just making any excuse
22:34Cos she hates him?
22:35Yeah
22:36I don't
22:37I personally don't know
22:38But she's accused you of stealing hasn't she?
22:40Yeah
22:41Mandy's on her way apparently
22:42At least someone's just told me in the ig
22:44What?
22:45You don't know
22:46You don't know
22:47You don't know
22:48You don't know
22:49You don't know
22:50You don't know
22:51You don't know
22:52Right?
22:53You've always tried to put me down
22:55I'm a brilliant mother
22:57Right?
22:58Why can you be a brilliant mother?
22:59And why can't I mate?
23:00You gave Kelly up when she was three
23:02Excuse me
23:04Have you or have you not?
23:05Telly come on
23:06What?
23:07Give her up when she was three
23:08You gave her to her grandma and her grandad
23:10I was 13 years of age
23:12You
23:13When I had Kelly
23:14Okay?
23:15I still lived at home with my mum and dad
23:17I could be 13
23:18I would never ever give my children up
23:20Yes I was
23:21I'm saying I could be 13
23:22I would never ever ever give my children up
23:24I want to talk to you
23:25I want to talk to you
23:26I want to talk to you
23:27I was 13 when I had that girls
23:28Right?
23:29And I lived at home with my mum and dad
23:31My mum wouldn't let me have Kelly
23:34She had a nervous breakdown
23:36And my dad said
23:37Please
23:38Can
23:39Your mum have Kelly
23:41I was in Kelly's life everyday
23:43Every day
23:44Well why haven't you been for the last 12 years since I've known Kelly then?
23:48Because of you
23:49I wasn't even allowed to go to her wedding
23:52Who wasn't allowed to go to her wedding?
23:53I was not
23:54I was not invited to her wedding
23:56Who did?
23:57She wasn't invited to the wedding
23:58Why not?
23:59Come on Kelly
24:00You can't sit there like white
24:02It was half you Graham
24:03You didn't want her to go
24:04No
24:05You don't like me
24:06And I don't like you
24:07Did he try on with you?
24:08I am so confused
24:09Did he try on with you?
24:10Yes you did
24:11How? When?
24:12Tell me
24:13I don't know how many years ago that they lived there
24:16Right why haven't?
24:17It was rub me my leg and give me a kiss and I said
24:20I didn't give you a kiss
24:21I didn't rub your leg
24:22Did I take a lie detector?
24:23Yes you did
24:24You left it then?
24:25Yes you did
24:26I died
24:27Yes
24:28When they lived in another house on
24:30I went up there dressed up one night and this must have been
24:34Sorry hold on
24:35Dressed up as what?
24:36Dressed up as me
24:37Oh well I didn't have a Halloween ghost or Christmas
24:40Oh shut up
24:41Why have I got to shut up?
24:42I've done nothing wrong
24:43No I know yet
24:44Stop flirting with me
24:45I won't mind
24:47Still got it
24:48Still got it
24:54Still got it
24:56Do you understand?
24:5752 and still got it
24:59Watch this
25:00Mandy me or Big Steve?
25:02You please
25:03I don't understand though whoever's right or wrong then we've got this theft thing can somebody help me out what's that?
25:19You're accusing both of them of stealing off you?
25:23When?
25:24How long ago?
25:25June
25:26Of this year
25:27So they were still together?
25:28Yes
25:29So you think they're in cahoots
25:30Did you steal from her?
25:31No
25:32Did you kiss her?
25:33No I asked her for a kiss I did not kiss her
25:35You're a f***
25:36Absolute
25:37You're an absolute
25:38You know that
25:39You are
25:40Kissing me or mum
25:41Are you a f***
25:42For real?
25:43I know that
25:44I know that
25:45You're an absolute
25:46Joe
25:47What's really interesting is you as a human being far be it from me to talk about age differences
25:50But I would like to make this point
25:52You get married with a woman who's how much younger are you than him?
25:5724
25:58But your affair was with a 60 year old
26:01Yes
26:02He had an affair with a 60 year old woman
26:03Yeah
26:04Set up flat
26:05With her
26:06Behind her back
26:07And he had love letters in his flat
26:08And he had a flat behind my back with a Christmas thing that you shake to say at our first Christmas
26:13I found the lot still bent in the old f***
26:16To come out
26:17That's true
26:18I've never denied that
26:20It ain't his home anymore
26:21And that's the way it's going to be
26:23Didn't you hide your keys to your secret flat in your garden shed?
26:26Yes I did
26:27Yeah you did
26:28I did yeah
26:29Like you're absolutely bang to rights
26:31But the mother was absolutely right about you wasn't she all those years ago
26:35Do you know what?
26:36She told me when I first met him that he was a snake
26:38And do you know what?
26:39She's 100% right on that
26:40You don't even look shocked that anybody would have that opinion
26:47You had double life
26:48You've tried it on with her mother
26:49I've never tried it on
26:51Why can't you say that?
26:52You don't kiss your mother or not you freak
26:54I asked her for a kiss because I was drunk
26:56You're drunk so you're kissing what?
26:58Anything?
26:59No
27:00If you kiss my mum then you can go out and
27:02Do you like that?
27:03Well I
27:04You know that
27:05You're an absolute joke
27:06I've never done that
27:07And then she couldn't trust him getting a job
27:08Done it once
27:09Because he got a job
27:10And what did he do then?
27:11Yeah send Valentine's flowers to a woman there
27:13But we wasn't together
27:14Yes you were
27:15But it's no
27:16We wasn't
27:17But we wasn't together
27:18Oh so he gives you the right to do it then?
27:19So
27:20But the thing is
27:21Anything with Alex mate you all have
27:23If we're not
27:24If we're not together
27:25If we weren't together
27:27Then
27:28Then
27:29We both know the truth behind that anyway
27:32So
27:33We wasn't together
27:34You just did it
27:35Can I just ask you a question though?
27:37Graeme's getting all the grief
27:38You've been accused of stealing
27:39And you've said some pretty horrible things about your mother
27:41Are you two now in Kahoot saying he's caused this rift?
27:43Has he caused the problems between you two?
27:45No
27:46I've had problems with my mum
27:48Me and my mum are more like sisters than mother and daughter
27:50That's how I feel
27:51Me and my mum's not got a great relationship
27:53To be fair
27:54A fella's an absolute
27:55You're a d**k when you're with him
28:00And you don't give up the door
28:03The partner's called Heath
28:04I'm not going to call him what you just called him
28:06I'm 1000% certain that both Kelly and Graeme have stolen from Mandy
28:09Graeme had keys to Mandy's house
28:11And then a handbag and purse with 90 quid in was stolen
28:14I know it was Graeme that stole it
28:15There were ornaments stolen from Mandy's friend's house
28:17And I know they're all to blame for these going missing too
28:20Graeme and Kelly are as thick as thieves and as bad as in it
28:22They're in it together
28:23And I know they will both fail their lie detector test
28:25Quite what that's got to do with your mother's relationship
28:27And yours
28:28We'll start with you
28:29So no chance Kelly of you getting back with Graeme
28:31No chance
28:32Because you tried on with your mother and had an affair
28:34Yeah
28:35We asked Kelly did you steal any of the ornaments that went missing from Mandy's friend's house
28:39She said no
28:40Why did you say no?
28:41So I was telling the truth
28:42Your daughter was telling the truth love
28:43Do you know for sure who stole the ornaments that were missing from Mandy's friend's house?
28:48No
28:49She passed both questions
28:50Give her a round of applause
28:51Maybe this is a relationship that's been caused by this
28:56Did you steal the money?
28:57No ma'am
28:58You didn't
28:59We asked Graeme did you steal Mandy's handbag with the money that were missing from her house
29:02He said no
29:03Why did you say no?
29:04Graeme was telling the truth as well
29:05Well
29:06No questions
29:08Alright
29:10Thanks mate
29:11So all that time that you've not had to be round your ass as a daughter
29:14And you believe that
29:15Little freak at home
29:17You accuse your daughter
29:18Shut your mouth
29:19I ain't got no to say to you
29:20I ain't got no to say to you
29:22I don't care what you think about me
29:23I don't care what you think about me
29:24Do you know what?
29:25All I've got to say
29:26All I've got to say is
29:27You can both
29:28I'm telling the truth
29:29I'm going home
29:30And you two can right
29:31Now
29:32So that's it
29:37Just a rule, OK?
29:41Just a rule
29:42Not a good idea to try on with the mother
29:44No, no
29:45Not a good idea to have a double life
29:47Not a good idea to hide the keys to the flat of the double life in the garden shed
29:51I realise that
29:52Good luck
29:53Give him a round of applause
29:54I've heard it all now
29:57Where are we...
29:58Oh, let's
29:59Where are we going now?
30:00Another adventure
30:01Hello
30:02Oh, there's Mandy
30:04Right
30:05Can I say something
30:06Without anybody interrupting
30:07Yes
30:08Your choice of man
30:09Is your opinion
30:10Yeah
30:11And you didn't like him
30:12Right
30:13Isn't that ironic?
30:14That you've now got a bloke
30:15That you don't like
30:16My advice would be really simple
30:17Get them both
30:18No, no, no
30:19What should come out of today
30:20Is that whoever you're with
30:21Yeah
30:22Right?
30:23That's your business
30:24Your mother and daughter
30:25You've been through enough
30:26Whatever
30:27Why don't you work on just getting you two back together
30:29Isn't that the point of this story?
30:30Yes
30:31Isn't it?
30:32Yep
30:33Definitely
30:34I know what she's like
30:35She's mad, aren't you?
30:37Do you know what I mean?
30:38Yeah, yeah
30:39You weren't there for your daughter
30:40You did have a difficult time
30:41That was brought out on stage
30:42It was a different world
30:43And there were different times
30:44Right?
30:45And maybe when she come back into your life
30:47And she saw you with this bloke
30:49And she knew he wasn't right
30:50She probably was being overprotected
30:52But she's got to make her own mistakes
30:54Of course she has
30:55But, erm, I am protected against me kids
30:58I want to say though in defence of Mandy
30:59She was 13 when she gave birth to you
31:01The world was a very, very, very different place back then
31:03And it would have been virtually impossible
31:05He's a very strange character, your ex-husband
31:07It's
31:08Well, it's one way to do
31:09Just a sort of
31:11Complete sort of
31:12Er, sort of
31:13Just
31:14Sort of
31:15Blank approach
31:16Like having a double
31:17Like, he can just
31:18He can just do it when he wants to do it
31:19But nothing more to me
31:20He can do it to someone else
31:21Cos he ain't doing it to me anymore
31:23And you think you should apologise for accusing you of stealing?
31:26I'm sorry but, you know, it wasn't me that accused, don't you?
31:31Can you just say that you're sorry?
31:33I'm sorry
31:34We're doing it again
31:35Somebody's influences you
31:36Somebody's influences you
31:37You had her at a very young age, look
31:39Yes
31:40You had some kind of little inkling that I did it
31:43No, I think there's a lot more to you
31:44I think there's a lot more to you
31:45I think that if you opened up, you'd go
31:49You weren't around for your kid, were you?
31:51No
31:52And that devastated you, didn't it?
31:53Yes
31:54So don't touch that
31:55So you've tried to go the other way
31:57No man should tell you how to treat your daughter
32:00No man should tell you that you shouldn't have a relationship with your mother
32:03You have allowed men to get in the way of this
32:05That's what this is about
32:06And this is what I'd like to do with Graham
32:08If you can come here
32:09Let's work on you two
32:10Forget the men
32:11You can have men not have men
32:12It doesn't matter
32:13You've got each other
32:14Isn't that important?
32:15Yes it is
32:16Thank you very much
32:17No chance of you going back with him then?
32:18Definitely not
32:19Brilliant
32:20See you later
32:21Give her a round of applause
32:22Good luck to them
32:23More coming up after the break
32:25Don't get anywhere
32:26Right back
32:27Are you in love with two women?
32:28I don't know
32:29Aren't you sleeping with both of them?
32:30Yep
32:31I woke up next to a few girls in my time
32:35He's having intercourse with another woman when he's not having it with you
32:39Yep
32:40You've made me feel absolutely worthless
32:42He's gone
33:00It's all kicking off security
33:01This test is you a liar love
33:07This isn't about you
33:24Oh, my Lord.
33:29Nick Felix, go through us to put up with this.
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34:15I don't know why I did that.
34:16Right, my next guest today, Ricky, is here to hopefully reconcile with his wife, Vicky,
34:20but only after she's taken the lie detector.
34:21He says that although he walked out on her a matter of months ago for another woman,
34:26he's finally decided after casually sleeping with them both on and off
34:29that Vicky's the one that he now wants to be with
34:31and he wants her to do a lie detector to prove she hasn't slept with anyone else.
34:37Ricky's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
34:38You've got a bit of front, haven't you?
34:47Have I?
34:48You've got a bit of front, haven't you?
34:50I don't think I have.
34:50So you leave your missus for another woman by the name of Kelly.
34:55Yep.
34:56Sleep with both of them.
34:58Yep.
34:59For how many months?
35:00It's about eight months now.
35:01Now have the temerity to come on this show and make Vicky,
35:04who you've now decided you want to be with,
35:06do a lie detector and say she hasn't been as low as you've been to both of them.
35:10How does that work?
35:11Yeah, well, you know, things have happened along the way.
35:14But you've got that smug look on your face and you haven't answered the question.
35:17Why should she do a lie detector when you're the one that went and slept with somebody else?
35:21Because I've been honest.
35:25How long have you been with Vicky?
35:2717 years.
35:27Married for nine, separated for eight months.
35:29So, what, you meet this other woman and just leave her?
35:33No, there was more to it than that.
35:35Two and a half years ago, I found out that she spent the evening with another man.
35:40She kissed another bloke.
35:41Well, I didn't find out until six weeks ago.
35:45What, so you went and had an affair thinking that she'd slept with someone else?
35:48It wasn't an affair, I walked out.
35:49Why?
35:50Because I didn't want to be there no more.
35:52Because she'd kissed somebody else?
35:53Because I didn't know what she did at...
35:55Why didn't you find out and why did you only find out six weeks ago?
35:58Why didn't you find out more all the time?
35:58Because she lied to me.
35:59All right, OK.
36:00I decided to leave Vicky and I'm still sort of seeing the other girl, Kelly.
36:03Yeah.
36:03What does that mean?
36:05Aren't you sleeping with both of them?
36:06Yeah.
36:07Aren't you playing them both off against each other?
36:08No.
36:09I am Fee and Kelly.
36:11Kelly says, Ricky and I have been in an open relationship since the end of February.
36:15Oh, he's completely open and honest with me and I'm fully aware of the situation with Vicky.
36:18I feel like I'm stuck in the middle.
36:20That's because you let yourself be.
36:21Vicky needs to realise Vicky...
36:22Ricky moved to my area to be with me permanently because we love each other.
36:26I'm sick of the countless abusive messages Vicky sends me calling me a homewrecker.
36:30She's the one who ruined her relationship with Ricky by cheating.
36:32So, from that, I surmise that Kelly thinks that you want to be with her and that it's Vicky
36:37that's causing the problems.
36:38But you told my team, today and the last few weeks have been all about Vicky and you want
36:41to be with Vicky.
36:42So, have you told Kelly that?
36:43No, you haven't.
36:44Yes, I have.
36:44Keeping your options open.
36:45So, why is she saying that?
36:46To be honest, I am keeping my options open because until I get to the bottom of the truth,
36:51yeah, I don't know where I want to be.
36:54Are you in love with two women?
36:56Um, I don't know.
37:00What do you want me to say?
37:02I want you to be brutally honest and tell me about myself.
37:04They're both in love with you?
37:05I think so.
37:07I'll tell you one thing that I didn't ever think I'd probably say on this show after 13 years.
37:10Some people might say you're blasé, you're just being totally honest, aren't you?
37:13Yep.
37:13So, you left your marriage on a whim because you found out that she'd done something and
37:19she lied and didn't let out for at least eight months that it was just a kiss.
37:23I didn't leave on a whim.
37:24You didn't want to meet another woman, so there were problems before that?
37:27It was an ongoing, since what happened happened, I had it in my heart.
37:31What do you know about that night?
37:32What do you know defensively about that night?
37:34About that night now, I know that they met originally to, apparently Vicky was going
37:40to help with their relationship, the other person's relationship.
37:43How many times do you think that Vicky's cheated on you when you were together?
37:49I honestly don't know now.
37:51Is it just that that she told you about, that one night?
37:54That one night, yeah.
37:55So, on that information, and because things were bad, you went, didn't mean to, met this
38:01other woman, thought that you were in love with Kelly, things happened quite quickly, but
38:05then there was always the pull, and you and Vicky would start sleeping with each other, and
38:08basically you're sleeping with both women?
38:10Yes.
38:10And, um, are they both dumb enough to allow this to continue?
38:15I wouldn't like to say that, but yep.
38:18You see, the problem that I've got is, they should both dump your sorry backside.
38:24That's me being honest.
38:26That's me being as honest as you are.
38:28But that's just a sound bite, and this is the real world, and this is a real story.
38:32Is it possible to love two people?
38:33It is.
38:34Is it right the way you're behaving?
38:35No.
38:36Are you being allowed to do that?
38:38Absolutely.
38:39Yep.
38:39I want to hear from this lady.
38:40Let's get Vicky on the Jeremy Kyle show.
38:42Give her a round of applause.
38:51So, I'm going to cut straight to the chase.
38:52No niceties.
38:53Are you allowing him getting away with the fact that he's having sex with another woman because
38:57you feel guilty about that kiss, or was there more you've never told him?
39:00Never more that he doesn't know about, and it's not because I feel guilty, it's because
39:03I love him.
39:04He sh...
39:04He's having intercourse with another woman when he's not having it with you.
39:10Yep.
39:11What it...
39:12But he's got, and he's honest really, he's got the perfect scenario.
39:15You're both fighting each other, aren't you?
39:18Yeah.
39:19He doesn't love you, love.
39:20Probably not.
39:21End of August...
39:21Then why'd you allow it?
39:22End of August, he told me he left her and he wants to be with me, and he wants to get
39:26back to the family.
39:26I didn't know that he was still with her until about four weeks ago, when I went to his
39:33house and I saw them together.
39:35I didn't leave her.
39:37I said that I left her, and I did, but then I still carried on seeing her, and it went
39:45from a case of the nice it is...
39:47When you're speaking to Kelly last night from the hotel.
39:49Yeah.
39:52One thing, I don't care what anybody says, this guy does not lie.
39:56This guy is a complete...
39:57No, no, but now he...
39:58But darling, you're not going to lie this, and people are going, oh, you and she are allowing
40:02this to happen.
40:03I know.
40:04Then stop it!
40:05Yeah, that's why I'm here now.
40:07Exactly, but you're not.
40:09Yeah.
40:10You're not, though, because if I had her sat there, you two would be fighting each other
40:13for this man, and rather than me doing it, oh, who the hell does he think he is, at least
40:17he's come out and fronted this out.
40:19There are two women, what, competing for his affection, and you lot allowing this to happen.
40:24Why would he go, oh, no?
40:26The only way you two will resolve this is if one of you, or both of you, walks away.
40:31But it's become a war.
40:32You hate her, right?
40:33Of course.
40:34He loves her.
40:35I know.
40:36Makes me hate him, also.
40:38But why do you have sex with him, then?
40:40Because I love him.
40:41So you love and hate her very close?
40:42Yeah.
40:44You've said a lot to my team about this guy.
40:48How do you feel, if you were being honest, how would you describe your feelings towards
40:51him?
40:52Worthless.
40:53I feel worthless.
40:54He has made me feel worthless.
40:55Tell him.
40:56You've made me feel absolutely worthless.
40:59I know.
40:59The way you have treated me is disgusting.
41:01Don't get me wrong.
41:02What I did was terrible.
41:04You've cheated on me throughout the whole of our relationship.
41:07You are...
41:08It's not as bad as it sounds.
41:10You're scum.
41:10You're scum.
41:11You're scum.
41:15You know what?
41:16Now is a decision.
41:17It's me or her.
41:18You choose her, that's fine.
41:20It isn't fine, though.
41:21And there's another thing you won't like.
41:24Why are you doing a test to prove to him that you haven't cheated?
41:28Because he's accused me of cheating forever.
41:30You just said, and I quote, what I did was disgusting.
41:32What did you do?
41:33We never got that.
41:34What did you do?
41:35I kissed somebody else.
41:36He's been having intercourse for how long?
41:39Eight months?
41:40And before.
41:41Did you cheat on her during the marriage?
41:43Yeah, but I can't guarantee that I had intercourse.
41:46I woke up next to a few girls in my time.
41:52Vic, actually, before I say that, why are you doing this?
41:55Why have you come on national television to be this honest?
41:59Because I need the truth for not only possibly the relationship.
42:02So you think that if she's passed this test, suddenly you go,
42:05do you know what, she's the one for me.
42:07And you think she's going to welcome you back with open arms.
42:09The case is that.
42:10You've ruined it with both of them, mate.
42:11Because here's the thing, even if one of them, you know,
42:13you don't have to believe me, but even if one of them says,
42:16you know, pick me and you do, that person will know.
42:20Both of them know, right?
42:22This is the thing, Rick, you won't like.
42:24They both know what you're capable of.
42:26Both of these relationships are screwed, mate.
42:28You will not be able to be happy with...
42:30You don't want to hear that either, but they're flawed.
42:32They're soiled.
42:33I know that.
42:35I know that.
42:38We asked Vicky at the start of the test.
42:39Vicky admitted that at the start of the relationship during a break,
42:42she went back to an ex-partner and had a short relationship with him.
42:46Did you know that?
42:46Yeah.
42:47Then two and a half years ago, she admitted to kissing another man.
42:51You knew about that?
42:52Yeah.
42:52Finally, whilst on a break, Vicky admitting to having sex with a man,
42:56she stated they only had sex once,
42:58but had sexual contact on a number of occasions.
43:00Are you all right with that?
43:02Well, I didn't know that, but OK.
43:03It was over two days.
43:04OK, well, listen.
43:05I'm just saying what you told me, and you didn't tell me that.
43:07OK.
43:08When did that happen?
43:09And you didn't tell us either.
43:10When was that?
43:10No, I did.
43:11You told the...
43:12No, two days.
43:13I met him the first day.
43:14The second day I met him, we had sex.
43:17Yeah, but you didn't tell me about the sexual contact...
43:18Were you married to him at the time?
43:20Yes.
43:21Brilliant.
43:21Since the start of your relationship with Ricky,
43:23apart from what you've just admitted to,
43:24have you passionately kissed anyone else?
43:26She said no.
43:26Why'd you say no, Vick?
43:27I said the truth.
43:28Tessa, you're a liar, love.
43:31Not true.
43:31Not true at all.
43:33She failed every single question, including intercourse.
43:37I have...
43:39I want that redone, please.
43:40Do you?
43:41Yes, please.
43:41You think I'm going to listen to somebody who's that...
43:44Listen, I don't know what you expect.
43:46I don't know how you can now put your head in your hands.
43:48The truth is...
43:49Oh, you're going to cry now.
43:50You know what?
43:51That's called just desserts, pal.
43:53I swear to God, I have not.
43:59Great, listen to me.
44:00This says that you, during a break, you went back to an ex-partner.
44:03Yeah, I did.
44:03Then you kissed a bloke, then you had sex with a man, right?
44:06This is 17 years, since the start of your relationship.
44:09Yeah.
44:09If you lie about one of those things, kissing or whatever will do that,
44:11you might want to have kissed somebody else.
44:13Um, but here's the point.
44:16Calm as a...
44:17I get it.
44:19Why are you so...
44:20Why are you so...
44:21Do you know what worries me about you?
44:23I think you're so calm and so factual, because you know...
44:26Please don't take this the wrong way.
44:28That one or both of these women will just go,
44:30Oh, Rikki, mate, you don't deserve either of these women.
44:34I think...
44:35I think you've so destroyed this woman,
44:39and possibly the other one.
44:40I've read a statement from Kelly.
44:41It's easy for me to sit here and go,
44:43Oh, they've allowed it to happen.
44:44Maybe you get groomed, excuse the phrase,
44:46but you know what I mean, to a point where, you know,
44:48I can have him back, he's for me, I'll change him,
44:50she's this, she's that.
44:52You're so matter-of-fact that you're now coming across as quite...
44:56As if you sort of planned this and get a bit of a kick out of it.
44:59I don't know, I just...
45:01You're allowing this to happen, Vic.
45:03Aren't you?
45:05Why?
45:05What's the prize?
45:06A man you can't ultimately trust.
45:08Say he drops Kelly today.
45:10Yeah.
45:10Do you believe he's going to drop her?
45:12If he tells you Asa moves back in,
45:14are you going to trust him?
45:16Are you?
45:16No, I'd have to work at it.
45:18Then what is the point?
45:21And how can you expect her to do that?
45:26That surely is the big point, isn't it?
45:28Yeah.
45:29I mean, I can take on the chin, you know,
45:31somebody says I'm in love with two women.
45:33I can absolutely take on the chin that he's gone off with somebody else
45:35and actually I want to win him back.
45:36But where does it end?
45:40Now.
45:41I don't believe you.
45:43Well, he makes a decision and that's it.
45:46But I just ask you,
45:48people might not like this in the audience.
45:49You should be making the decision out of morality and pride and self-worth,
45:56not leaving it to him.
45:58That's all I'm saying.
45:59I don't even think any of this matters.
46:03The fact is you have had two women on the go for eight months.
46:08Most people would say you're having your cake and eating it.
46:10That is not going to change unless there's no cake on the damn table
46:13for want of a better phrase, is there?
46:15But that's true.
46:17And you know what?
46:19You might not like this,
46:20but you don't deserve to be with either of these women
46:22and the sadness is that will probably happen in the end.
46:26So be it.
46:26But does she deserve to be with me?
46:29Am I the only one in the wrong here?
46:32I think you're all in the wrong, all three of you, but you...
46:35..the way that you've orchestrated
46:39is perhaps the wrong way to describe it,
46:41but the way that you've dishonoured your wife, the marriage,
46:44the way you can just go and do that and be so blatant and so blasé...
46:48I walked out of my marriage because I met Kelly.
46:51You slept with her before you walked out.
46:52I did, and that's why I walked out. I came home and told you.
46:55I told my team you can't remember how many people you slept with,
46:58but you kept waking up next to people.
46:59You might have been somebody who was having a lot of sex with a lot of people.
47:02That sounds worse than it is.
47:04I think your life doesn't sound great, pal.
47:06Your behaviour doesn't sound great, does it?
47:07It's not that great, is it?
47:09So going on national television and doing this, right?
47:12I think I wanted to do this.
47:13I needed to do this for myself.
47:14I know exactly why you've just said that.
47:17Because she's failed that lie detector.
47:19What, does that make you feel better?
47:20No.
47:21The point here is, this is a vicious circle.
47:23This is not going to end unless somebody puts their foot down.
47:25Oh, it's ended. Don't worry about that.
47:27OK. I'll file for divorce next week.
47:29Then you can go and keep your Kelly.
47:30And just stay out of my life.
47:31You, we're getting divorced, you go to Kelly.
47:34Then he'll have an argument with Kelly and he'll come back to you.
47:36You're not...
47:36He's not coming back.
47:36You sound like a petulant child who's had a sweets nicked.
47:38I know.
47:39You're a grown woman who's been disrespected
47:42and has maybe disrespected him.
47:44At what point do you go,
47:46do you know what, I'm worth more than that?
47:47I'd rather be on my own with my kids
47:49and a bit of dignity than be picked up and dropped when it suits him.
47:52Yeah.
47:53As a woman.
47:56That's how he has treated me and how he has made me feel.
47:58Well, all I can say to finish is
48:01the way that you say he's made you feel
48:04is not going to get any better.
48:05That's just...
48:05You said, be brutally honest.
48:06I am.
48:07And maybe you'll finish it with her and run to Kelly.
48:10Any sort of man,
48:11and if you're manly enough to come here and admit your life,
48:15you should be honest enough to say to both these women,
48:18it can't work with either of you.
48:20I need to go and find solace.
48:21I need to go and work out my life.
48:23I need to start again.
48:24That's all I can say to both of you.
48:26Thanks for coming on.
48:27Fascinating.
48:27You go that way, you go that way.
48:32I don't think you've ever heard a story about that.
48:34Here we go.
48:35We'll let you know I'm out of time for this morning.
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48:40And somebody, by the way, asked me the other day,
48:42when I say to you four at home, what does it mean?
48:44It's my kids.
48:45See you soon.
48:45Take care.
48:46Bye-bye for now.
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