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00:30We will make a fair court so that no other prime minister will be put on the throne.
00:37We will have to make a fair court of loyalty.
00:41Mr. Bilawal gave a speech today.
00:44He talked about many shortcomings in the system of justice.
00:48The courts have failed to give justice.
00:50Absolutely right.
00:51Many political cases are pending.
00:54Courts have been political in the past.
00:57From Saqib Nisar's dam fund to Iftikhar Chaudhary's suo moto,
01:02he talked about the role of the courts, critiqued them and said that reforms are needed.
01:07He also said that 90% of the courts take time for fair cases.
01:11I am sure that no one will say that you should not do reforms.
01:16There should be a fair court.
01:18There can be a strong debate on this.
01:23This system needs to be changed.
01:27But should the Supreme Court rectify the issue or should it be rectified?
01:32The first Chief Justice will appoint the Prime Minister.
01:35The other judges will also consult the Chief Justice.
01:40Do you want to make a fair court of loyalty?
01:44Or do you want to make a separate court of your choice?
01:49Do you want to appoint at least five judges?
01:53Or do you want to appoint five judges of your choice?
01:57Will you appoint a good judge as the Chief Justice?
02:00Or do you want to appoint a judge of your choice as the Chief Justice?
02:04This will give you the guarantee of the system.
02:06Do you want to make a fair court of loyalty?
02:10Or do you want to appoint out-of-control judges?
02:17Because this is how your government can work.
02:20The real issue is not the constitution.
02:23The real issue is the intention.
02:24First, the Chief Justice should be given an extension.
02:27Then, the judges should be made 68 years old.
02:30So that they can get an extension.
02:31If that doesn't happen, then the government should elect the Chief Justice from a panel of five judges.
02:37Now, the People's Party has started a campaign to make a fair court.
02:42Because those three or four cases didn't work.
02:47And Bilawal is running it very aggressively.
02:52If the intention is right, then people will support this reformation.
03:00But if it seems that something is being done on the basis of politics,
03:07then there will be a sense of security.
03:12Bilawal is doing it.
03:14We don't know what will happen in the future.
03:19Only time will tell.
03:21Today, Irfan Siddiqui tweeted,
03:24The eight-point judicial decision has raised a very serious question.
03:29If a decision ignores the two points of the constitution,
03:34or if a decision ignores the two points of the constitution,
03:36or if a decision ignores the two points of the constitution,
03:40then what should the Parliament, which makes the constitution and the law, and swears by it, do?
03:46Should it accept the constitution, or should it compromise with the constitution?
03:51When he wrote such heavy and tearful words in this tweet, I got tears in my eyes.
03:57MashaAllah.
03:58Irfan Siddiqui, where the matter is the Supreme Court's interpretation of the constitution and the constitution,
04:04and even if the court's decision is not liked,
04:07then the decision has to be accepted.
04:11If the court's decision is not liked,
04:14and if the court's interpretation is not liked,
04:17and if the court's interpretation is not liked,
04:20then the institutions are destroyed.
04:22Your politics shines, but the system falls apart.
04:26And the destruction of institutions destroys the system of democracy and this country.
04:30You used such good words,
04:33that what should the Parliament, which makes the constitution and the law, and swears by it, do?
04:39On 8th February, when such serious questions were raised,
04:43at that time, what did the Parliament, which makes the constitution and the law, and swears by it, do?
04:50How did it swear by the constitution and the law?
04:54On 8th February, your party is included among those who deduce the results of their will,
05:00and you and your party are included among those who take advantage of it.
05:03The constitution forces such elections, or you yourself force such elections.
05:08You know this too.
05:10Now decide whether you want to believe the constitution and you do,
05:13or the system created by the constitution.
05:17We have to correct the entire system and all the institutions of this country.
05:21The judicial system is one of them.
05:24But which other institution is working properly in this country?
05:27Which institution should be said, whether good or not,
05:32that it is not so bad?
05:35Courts are not strong just by appointing a judge.
05:38Their decisions are strong by accepting them.
05:41They are strong by making them non-political.
05:45By appointing a good legislator and a good judge,
05:48this system should improve.
05:50Even today, when you are arguing that the system should be strong,
05:55the Judicial Commission is thinking whether to accept the decision or not.
05:58It is thinking this way because whatever needs to be achieved in the future,
06:02this decision will be harmful by accepting it.
06:06Do not create a war atmosphere.
06:08Improve the system.
06:10If the system improves, it will go towards improvement.
06:14What is happening?
06:16Today, there was a case in the Supreme Court.
06:19Mr. Tariq Khan was also there.
06:22Let's talk to the Secretary General of Tariq Khan's case, Mr. Salman Akram Rajasah.
06:26We recorded a short while ago.
06:28He will tell you.
06:30Mr. Salman, tell us.
06:32Today, there was an objection in the court.
06:35Chief Justice of Pakistan, it was your case today.
06:38There was an objection that you should not sit on the bench.
06:41Is this the position of Tariq Khan's official?
06:43That he should not listen to your case?
06:45Yes, this is the position.
06:46But we have never heard this before.
06:48There was no objection before.
06:50To what extent are you making it a tough position?
06:53Because in every case,
06:55do you also think that every case
06:57that will affect politics in the future,
06:59whether it is the case of 63A or other cases,
07:01should they be a part of the benches?
07:03Look, our position as a party now is that it should not happen.
07:07Whether it is the case of 63A or the cases of recounting,
07:11in all of these, the attitude that is coming forward
07:15is that we are suffering losses everywhere.
07:18But it is not enough to only suffer losses.
07:21An objection was made to a judge.
07:23A decision was made.
07:25Other decisions were made.
07:27Many of our petitions have been read.
07:29About the 2024 election,
07:31about 8th February,
07:33it is not being heard, etc.
07:35Even today, the case of the election tribunal,
07:38look, the election commission got what it wanted.
07:41The judges appointed by Shahzad Ahmed Khan
07:44as the Chief Justice,
07:46were removed by the new Chief Justice
07:49through a re-consultation process.
07:52So, there are 4 judges,
07:54who were made by Shahzad Ahmed Khan
07:56as the Chief Justice of the election tribunal.
07:59The election commission objected to them.
08:02Today, the judges who objected,
08:04there was no justification.
08:06When we went to the High Court,
08:08we said, what is your objection?
08:10Give us a justification.
08:12They did not have any justification.
08:14Shahzad Ahmed Khan will not work
08:16as an election tribunal in Punjab.
08:18So, we are very worried.
08:20But today, I saw the Islamabad High Court,
08:22the Supreme Court,
08:24the judges are saying,
08:26why should the judges of the High Court
08:28be in the tribunal?
08:30I was looking at the remarks of
08:32Mian Gul Hasan Aurangzeb,
08:34he said, if I have this,
08:36I will have a headache.
08:38Look, it was in the law.
08:40The law of 2017,
08:42the ruling judges of the High Court
08:44shall be election tribunals.
08:46And this is why,
08:48the judges who come,
08:50on the contract,
08:52the retired judges,
08:54they are appointed for 5 years.
08:56Until the assembly is over,
08:58they do not let the case end.
09:00This is our experience.
09:02Plus, they are absolutely compliant,
09:04because it was also written in the law,
09:06that you can take a case from one judge
09:08and give it to another,
09:10you can also dismiss it.
09:12So, the retired judge,
09:14whom you have appointed,
09:16he is compliant with you.
09:18If he does not listen to you,
09:20you will take a case from him
09:22and give it to someone else,
09:24he will be dismissed,
09:26you will cancel his contract.
09:28So, this is a strange system.
09:30You say, if there is fraud in the election,
09:32prove it.
09:34Prove it in front of whom?
09:36Prove it in front of your employees.
09:38So, how can we prove that case
09:40in front of the judges
09:42appointed by them?
09:44This will also go to the court,
09:46but all these things take time.
09:48And they want,
09:50who have come on the basis of Form 47,
09:52that we sit and continue the case.
09:54Do you think the courts are making political decisions?
09:56I don't want to take anyone's name.
09:58I remembered People's Party
10:00and Iftikhar Chaudhary.
10:02It was stated that Iftikhar Chaudhary
10:04has become a politician.
10:06To some extent,
10:08every judge has
10:10a political background.
10:12You can call it a political
10:14downfall.
10:16But I don't think that political
10:18decisions are made secretly.
10:20Except that you have
10:22a background of malice.
10:24Do you have a background of malice?
10:26Look, we have filed this.
10:28Don't send references against people.
10:30Let me tell you.
10:32Earlier, I did not have
10:34the material that we tried to present.
10:36So there is a personal
10:38nature to it.
10:40When this reference was made,
10:42the letters that were written,
10:44the statements that were given
10:46were very specific statements
10:48about Mr. Imran Khan,
10:50about PTI,
10:52about the conversation
10:54in the state of Medina
10:56at that time.
10:58All this is such a background
11:00that is extraordinary.
11:02That a judge and a team
11:04have such a background.
11:06So this is it.
11:08And that is why we have raised
11:10objections and will continue to do so.
11:12And now the Supreme Court
11:14is going to be formed.
11:16Do you think it will be formed?
11:18Look, it will be unfortunate
11:20if the Supreme Court is formed
11:22and we destroy the Supreme Court.
11:24Especially at this time,
11:26when there is such an atmosphere
11:28of clash.
11:30Why today?
11:32You can talk about it after two or three months.
11:34You can do it with consensus.
11:36The way it was tried to make
11:38in the manner of Shabkhoon,
11:40it is clear from that
11:42that whether the concept of the Supreme Court
11:44is good or bad,
11:46at this time it is being done
11:48on the basis of malice.
11:50What does Hassan want to do?
11:52Hassan wants to do what he has written
11:54that his Chief Justice
11:56will be the appointed person
11:58of the Supreme Court.
12:00You can say that
12:02it is an attempt to establish
12:04a kitchen court.
12:06So you are calling it a kangaroo court
12:08like Benazir Bhutto called it a kangaroo court.
12:10You can call it a kangaroo,
12:12you can call it a kitchen court
12:14from the kitchen cabinet.
12:16Look, this method is not right
12:18and this place and palace is also not right.
12:20But do you have any principal objection to this?
12:22I have, I have.
12:24I think that our system
12:26and other matters
12:28which we call military
12:30or which we call civil
12:32or tax cases,
12:34everywhere the same questions arise.
12:36I don't think it is possible
12:38in our system that we say
12:40that as soon as the same point arises
12:42that case will go there.
12:44If the same point does not arise,
12:46then it will go there.
12:48People will then raise the same points for no reason.
12:50If they like that court more,
12:52then they will raise the same point.
12:54So you are principally against it?
12:56Yes, I am against it.
12:58But the lawyer bodies are not against it.
13:00Look, what has happened in India,
13:02they have made a constitutional bench in India.
13:04You say that for legal matters
13:06instead of a separate court,
13:08there can be a separate bench
13:10which can do this work.
13:12So it is completely wrong
13:14that you make a court
13:16on the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
13:18In the amendment
13:20that you have proposed in the bill,
13:22where the Supreme Court was mentioned
13:24as the highest court of the land
13:26that it is the duty of everyone
13:28to accept its decisions,
13:30instead you have included
13:32the Federal Constitutional Court.
13:34So this is such a big amendment.
13:36In my view, this amendment
13:38is to change the fundamental structure
13:40of the constitution.
13:42And you are making such a court
13:44through one individual
13:46that the Prime Minister
13:48will appoint the Chief Justice
13:50So what is this?
13:52What we see right now,
13:54our constitution says that
13:56if a political party says
13:58that it is against Pakistan,
14:00against peace,
14:02it should be banned,
14:04then a reference is required.
14:06That reference will go to the Supreme Court
14:08which is present right now.
14:10Here a new court is being made
14:12and the amendment is being made
14:14that the reference piece
14:16should go to the new court.
14:18The new court is being made
14:20which says that the fundamental
14:22rights will not be used
14:24to make contradictory laws.
14:26Article 199, which gives the power
14:28to the high courts to make decisions
14:30and to give directions,
14:32is also being amended there.
14:34So this amendment is political.
14:36Its purpose is very clear.
14:38Its purpose is to ban PTI
14:40and to get Mr. Imran Khan
14:42punished by the military courts.
14:44So there will be a military trial
14:46and the government is
14:48ruining the constitution.
14:50This should not happen.
14:52But they are going too far.
14:54Let's assume that the government
14:56is being made.
14:58They are claiming that
15:00two thirds of the constitution
15:02will be completed.
15:04I don't know how it will be completed.
15:06I think they have already
15:08broken your man.
15:10They are doing this.
15:12They are saying that
15:14the constitutional amendment
15:16is based on the number of people
15:18who make lots.
15:20It is based on horse trading.
15:22First the courts will decide
15:24on Article 63.
15:26Then the lots will be made.
15:28Our system is going on like this.
15:30Everyone can see it.
15:32But no one is aware of it.
15:34This is up to the people of Pakistan.
15:36You are making such a system.
15:38You are making such a constitution
15:40which will be based on
15:42deceit.
15:44You are making such a system
15:46based on deceit.
15:48This system will not work.
15:50You are telling your people
15:52that our constitution
15:54is a bad thing.
15:56It is a fraud.
15:58It is a weapon used for politics.
16:00We are ready to do anything for them.
16:02Honesty,
16:04decency,
16:06it doesn't matter.
16:08We just have to defeat a party.
16:10It is a means to end.
16:12It is a way to achieve a goal.
16:14But tell me one thing.
16:16The real problem is
16:18Article 63A.
16:20My personal opinion
16:22can be anything.
16:24I think the democracies of the world
16:26leave their people free
16:28to decide
16:30if they want to put a law.
16:32It is not like that everywhere.
16:34In developed democracies,
16:36you give them the right.
16:38This is not today's debate.
16:40Our debate is different.
16:42I am talking about the debate.
16:44There is horse trading.
16:46People are kidnapped.
16:48Daughters and wives are kidnapped.
16:50We have to keep our perspective in front.
16:52It doesn't happen there.
16:54No institution comes and
16:56breaks the doors of your house
16:58at 2 am and tells you
17:00that you have to sign the constitution.
17:02You are talking about Punjab Police.
17:04I am sure.
17:06But if a constitutional court is formed
17:08and you are asked to debate
17:10who is the Chief Justice of this court.
17:12The Prime Minister calls the Leader
17:14of the Opposition.
17:16Will you name them?
17:18He is not asking.
17:20He is saying that the Prime Minister
17:22will make it.
17:24We think that
17:26this constitutional amendment
17:28is out of place.
17:30They have bad intentions.
17:32We support all the actions
17:34of the Supreme Court.
17:36We will not be a part of it.
17:38Will you be a part of
17:40any constitutional amendment?
17:42Not now.
17:44Whatever is happening now
17:46is based on bad intentions.
17:48You can talk to us after 3 months.
17:50Will you get special sessions
17:52after this decision?
17:54I can tell you right now
17:56that you will not get it.
17:58If you say that
18:00we do not want to accept
18:02this constitutional amendment,
18:04then your entire system will fall.
18:06You are giving an open chute
18:08to the government,
18:10other institutions,
18:12election commission
18:14that they can accept
18:16or not.
18:18We have already done this
18:20when we did not get the elections
18:22in the 90th day of last year.
18:24We fought against the constitution.
18:26We fought for 1 year and 13 months.
18:28People have taken off their gloves.
18:30That is why we as citizens
18:32should accept that
18:34the state of Pakistan is collapsing.
18:36A state is established
18:38on its constitutional and legal system.
18:40When you start collapsing
18:42the constitutional and legal system,
18:44you are collapsing the state.
18:46You are telling me that
18:48in this country, the constitution
18:50is nothing.
18:52The constitution will be tolerated
18:54as long as it is in accordance
18:56with our principles.
18:58When you put this message
19:00in the minds of the citizens
19:02of this country,
19:04in the minds of children
19:06and young people,
19:08then your behavior
19:10of lawlessness,
19:12of force,
19:14of picking up a gun
19:16and achieving your goal,
19:18everything is dependent on it.
19:20You cannot say that
19:22the society will be civilized
19:24and our children will like the constitution
19:26I have heard a joke
19:28that the minister of law
19:30in Afghanistan said that
19:32he is the minister of railways.
19:34He said that you do not have railways.
19:36How can you be the minister of railways?
19:38He said that he did not object
19:40to the minister of law.
19:42I remember that this joke
19:44was very famous in the time
19:46of Parvez Musharraf.
19:48But now you are saying
19:50that the party will be finished.
19:52No, it will not happen.
19:54Now there will be a military trial
19:56and they will be punished
19:58with a military trial.
20:00Now there will be no seats.
20:02There will be no court.
20:04There will be no tribunals.
20:06No decision will be made
20:08in your favor.
20:10Everything is against you.
20:12Then what should we do?
20:14What are you thinking?
20:16Look, what we have to do
20:18is to tell the people
20:20of Pakistan
20:22that this is a joke.
20:24This is science.
20:26Finish it.
20:28And how will you do that?
20:30You will go to people
20:32and talk to them.
20:34If we say that
20:36we have to pick up the stick,
20:38then it will not happen.
20:40Do you have an option?
20:42No, I don't think so.
20:44There was a lot of criticism
20:46on Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf
20:48when he left the assembly.
20:50The question was
20:52whether he should resign.
20:54Why would you give them
20:56two-thirds majority
20:58so that they can make
21:00their own decisions?
21:02What drastic action
21:04will you take
21:06to change the status quo?
21:08Look, people think
21:10that we have a dead mind.
21:12We will see what happens.
21:14I don't think that
21:16we are creating a system
21:18of violence.
21:20This will not work.
21:22This will not work.
21:24There will be a voice
21:26from somewhere.
21:28You will see.
21:30We will stand in our place.
21:32We will not leave our place.
21:34We will stand in the assembly
21:36and sit in your program.
21:38We will keep talking
21:40in the streets.
21:42I think this is our duty.
21:44And the people who are
21:46in the assembly
21:48are afraid.
21:50They must not like you.
21:52Some people say
21:54that we are waiting
21:56for the right moment
21:58of revolution.
22:00Marx said
22:02or Gramsci said
22:04that this is how
22:06hegemony is fought.
22:08We are waiting
22:10for that moment.
22:12It may not come
22:14in front of you.
22:16When a child is being beaten
22:18on the side of the road,
22:20will you go ahead
22:22and stop the aggressor
22:24or will you wait for the right
22:26historical moment?
22:28They will wait for the right
22:30historical moment.
22:32Will you wait for the right
22:34historical moment
22:36or will you interview
22:38the child first?
22:40These are the attitudes.
22:42I can see that
22:44people are understanding
22:46and our intellectuals
22:48are understanding
22:50that you have to stand
22:52with some basic principles.
22:54You may not like PTI.
22:56But if people
22:58associated with PTI
23:00are being beaten,
23:02then it becomes your duty
23:04as a human being.
23:06I believe that principles are principles.
23:08People don't believe that.
23:10People don't believe that
23:12great intellectuals
23:14and rights activists
23:16are sitting quietly.
23:18When we challenged
23:20the military courts,
23:22only three new petitions
23:24were filed from all over the country.
23:26We appealed to people
23:28that you are a great intellectual
23:30and you have a background
23:32in human rights.
23:34You also become a petitioner.
23:36Tell them that we don't accept
23:38PTI.
23:40The problem is that
23:42nobody trusts PTI.
23:44Don't trust PTI.
23:46But I say that
23:48the child is being beaten.
23:50Put him in jail,
23:52put him in jail,
23:54arrest people.
23:56This is your argument.
23:58You are right.
24:00You are right.
24:02You are right.
24:04You are right.
24:06You don't look at the situation.
24:08You don't look at the problem.
24:10You stop the person who is going to beat you.
24:12Thank you very much.
24:14Let's take a break.
24:20Welcome back.
24:22Mr. Fawad Chaudhary is here.
24:24Mr. Fawad, I have your tweets
24:26from the last 4-5 days.
24:28You are tweeting a lot these days.
24:30What is the problem?
24:32The problem is that
24:34the Constitutional Amendment
24:36is very high.
24:38The basic issue
24:40is that
24:42the lawyer has lost his profession.
24:44The amendments you are bringing
24:46should start from the bottom
24:48because everyone is starting from the top.
24:50You are bringing an amendment
24:52that in section 199
24:54if you take a plea that it is a national security issue
24:56then your petition is out.
24:58The second amendment you are bringing
25:00is that every year
25:02there will be an evaluation
25:04and even on the source report
25:06they can be sent home or they can be transferred.
25:08After that
25:10you tell me
25:12which lawyer will be able to practice here?
25:14The petition will be over
25:16and the judge who will be needed in section 199
25:18will either go home
25:20or get transferred.
25:22So you have finished the High Court.
25:24After that you are finishing the Supreme Court.
25:26What is there to do?
25:28You are bringing a Constitutional Court.
25:30What is a Constitutional Court?
25:32First of all
25:34you have said that
25:36the Supreme Court
25:38is a case of salary.
25:40Now you go to the court.
25:42Now you say that
25:44this is against the statute.
25:46Now you tell me where will you go?
25:48Will you go to the Supreme Court
25:50or to the Constitutional Court?
25:52Salman Akhtar has just made the same argument.
25:54The second thing is that
25:56apart from South Africa
25:58there are no other Constitutional Courts
26:00in common law countries.
26:02Pakistan will be the first country in the world
26:04where there will be two Supreme Courts
26:06and two Chief Justices.
26:08You are giving examples
26:10of 35 countries.
26:14But those 35 countries
26:16are civil law courts
26:18where there is an inquisitorial system
26:20which is totally different from ours.
26:22Here judges act as magistrates
26:24and inquire.
26:26Our system is a common law system.
26:28We have an adversarial system
26:30where there are two parties
26:32and the neutral judge decides.
26:34That is a system
26:36where there is a party.
26:38There is no such system in the world.
26:40And you will corrupt it.
26:42Now the first thing is that
26:44no one has thought about the amendment.
26:46What should we do?
26:48Everyone has understood that
26:50this amendment is coming because of this.
26:52Everyone knows.
26:54The problem is that
26:56now there will be a fine.
26:58You will not get special seats
27:00when the system will stand in front of you
27:02and say that we don't want to do it.
27:04You don't come out.
27:06We don't want to do it.
27:08What should we do?
27:10The first thing is that
27:12political parties are not
27:14a big stakeholder in this.
27:16The establishment
27:18who has given this advice
27:20has also given a wrong advice.
27:22A common party
27:24is fighting against PTI
27:26for the past two years.
27:28It is a political fight.
27:30Now a group
27:32which was not involved
27:34in this fight
27:36you said that
27:38it will have to be involved.
27:40Lawyers and judges
27:42will have to run the movement.
27:44How will you not run it?
27:46What will the judges do?
27:48Do you remember in India
27:50there are eight judges
27:52and you can include
27:54three or four more judges.
27:56Their job is not a problem.
27:58If you look at the judgment
28:00of how they started
28:02from the Privy Council
28:04and now they are international
28:06standard judges.
28:08It is not a problem
28:10for them to earn 10 lakhs
28:12or 15 lakhs a month privately.
28:14They will never sit
28:16in a court
28:18like the Supreme Court.
28:20You will not find
28:22an honourable person
28:24in the High Court.
28:26So you are saying
28:28judges can resign?
28:30100% they can resign.
28:32It is not possible
28:34to have judges in the system.
28:36So what will happen
28:38if eight or ten judges
28:40resign from the High Court?
28:42We don't want to sit
28:44in the Supreme Court.
28:46But the problem is
28:48when the judges resign
28:50and after two months
28:52the lawyers realise
28:54that their profession
28:56has been ruined
28:58notwithstanding that
29:00PTI has no strategy
29:02and they have destroyed
29:04the politics of Pakistan.
29:06Lawyers have to run
29:08the movement
29:10on their own.
29:12They don't have
29:14a strategy.
29:16If we win the Supreme Court
29:18then there will be
29:20no problem.
29:22They don't know
29:24how much instability
29:26Pakistan will face
29:28because the movement
29:30will not end.
29:32You are criticising
29:34Qazi Sahab a lot.
29:36Why?
29:38Mr. Faisal
29:40has also
29:42criticised him a lot.
29:44Someone told me
29:46that Mr. Khan is criticising
29:48the Chief Justice.
29:50The problem is
29:52that the Chief Justice
29:54is proving
29:56that Imran Khan
29:58is right.
30:00Why?
30:02Every case
30:04that has an effect
30:06on the counting
30:08of the Constitutional Amendment
30:10should have been
30:12done by the Chief Justice.
30:14No judge will sit
30:16in his own cause.
30:18Everyone knows
30:20that he is the Chief Justice.
30:22Maybe he has decided
30:24that he will not
30:26become the Chief Justice.
30:28No, no.
30:30There will be no such
30:32injustice in Pakistan.
30:34He has to become the Chief Justice
30:36and he has to do everything.
30:38No, no.
30:40Mr. Faisal is not
30:42the most capable person in Pakistan
30:44to become the Chief Justice.
30:46Of course, Mr. Faisal
30:48has to become the Chief Justice.
30:50You know how
30:52he will become the Chief Justice.
30:54The Tribunal Judges
30:56and the Election Commission
30:58will decide
31:00the next Judiciary.
31:02The judicial crisis
31:04in Pakistan
31:06is not going to be easy.
31:08Many people are predicting
31:10that if it is managed
31:12and the Court is formed
31:14and Imran Khan is still in jail
31:16and he will not be allowed
31:18to leave the country
31:20and Uttar Shah Khan
31:22will be sentenced to 190 million.
31:24It is not difficult to take
31:26a decision in this country.
31:28Manu, tell me.
31:30I will take a decision.
31:32I can't do it.
31:34I am not claiming it.
31:36You know I am joking.
31:40If Imran Khan is sentenced
31:42what will he do?
31:44This is the thing.
31:46Two years ago,
31:48four premises were made
31:50to remove Imran Khan.
31:52He will not be in jail for more than
31:5430 days and he will come
31:56to apologize.
31:58After that, it was said that
32:00Imran Khan's party will end.
32:02Many people voted for Imran Khan.
32:04They were not aware
32:06of the votes.
32:08They did not know
32:10who was going to vote.
32:12They did not know
32:14who was going to vote.
32:16They did not know
32:18who was going to vote.
32:20Imran Khan has effectively
32:22gone to the presidential form
32:24of the party.
32:26People voted for Imran Khan.
32:28He has gone to the presidential
32:30form of the party.
32:32This has not happened yet.
32:34There is hope that
32:36the judiciary will end.
32:38There is hope that
32:40the country will become
32:42stable.
32:44This has not happened yet.
32:46What will happen if Imran Khan
32:48is sentenced?
32:54If Imran Khan is sentenced
32:56in the military court,
32:58what will happen?
33:00What is the meaning of military court?
33:02The judge will give the verdict.
33:04This is the impression.
33:06This is the impression.
33:08The real problem in Imran Khan's case
33:10is not that he is being punished.
33:12The real problem is that
33:14you are not able to create
33:16an alternative political narrative.
33:18What is the problem of Pakistan?
33:20The problem of Pakistan is that
33:22you are not allowing PTI to do politics.
33:24The politics of the Non-League
33:26Party is over.
33:28The four forces of Pakistan
33:30that support the federation
33:32are the army, PTI,
33:34People's Party
33:36and the Non-League Party.
33:38You have ruined
33:40the public perception
33:42of the four parties.
33:44You are not allowing them
33:46to do politics.
33:48Because of this,
33:50the ultra-nationalists
33:52and the extremists
33:54do not know
33:56how to fill
33:58the political vacuum.
34:00If you want to keep the federation
34:02in Pakistan,
34:04you will have to give
34:06a political alternative.
34:08You will have to make a story.
34:10I often use the
34:12dialogue of the gladiator.
34:14You may remember
34:16a scene where the gladiator
34:18tells himself that
34:20he is General Maximus Meridius.
34:22When the gladiator gives him food,
34:24the other gladiator
34:26tries the food
34:28and makes a joke
34:30that there is poison in it.
34:32The gladiator tells him
34:34that he has to kill him
34:36before he can kill him.
34:38If you want to bring down
34:40Imran Khan,
34:42you have to give him
34:44power.
34:46Any government
34:48can bring him down.
34:50Today he said
34:52a very interesting thing.
34:54I will translate it for you.
34:56I have two questions.
34:58First of all,
35:00look at his dialogue.
35:02He said that
35:04we were threatened
35:06to translate the 19th amendment.
35:08I was in the government.
35:10You know that Mr. Lani
35:12was threatened.
35:14The people's party
35:16lied to the parliament
35:18that they would
35:20strike down the 18th amendment.
35:22The problem was that
35:24the 18th amendment
35:26was created with great difficulty.
35:28The people's party
35:30lied to the parliament.
35:32Now the people's party
35:34is lying down.
35:36Do you see Bilawal
35:38as a minister?
35:40What is he trying to do now?
35:42Is he trying to
35:44create a narrative
35:46or is he trying to
35:48create an impression?
35:50He is not capable of that.
35:52You can abuse him,
35:54but look at Bilawal's
35:56character of democracy,
35:58my mother, etc.
36:00He has joined a bar association.
36:02He can't create a narrative.
36:04But there is public exposure.
36:06He is talking.
36:08He has government resources.
36:10If he doesn't talk,
36:12it will be published.
36:14The people's party
36:16is not convinced with Bilawal.
36:18There is no bar association.
36:20The only problem is that
36:22the political narrative
36:24of the PTI,
36:26whether you like it or not,
36:28the people's party
36:30and Noon
36:32have to make their own
36:34political narrative
36:36if they want to do politics
36:38in Pakistan.
36:40Do you remember
36:42Farooq Karte was a cardinal.
36:44This is what is going on.
36:46But the problem of Pakistan
36:48is that the ultra-nationalists
36:50What is the reason for such
36:52bankruptcy?
36:54Is there no political fight
36:56for them now?
36:58The problem is that
37:00Nawaz Sharif and Zardari
37:02both do politics of the 90s.
37:04Their focus is still on
37:06having electables with them
37:08and giving them money.
37:10Nawaz Sharif and Zardari
37:12do politics of the 90s.
37:14Their focus is still on having
37:16electables with them
37:18and giving them money.
37:20Their focus is still on having
37:22electables with them
37:24and giving them money.
37:26They are unable to understand
37:28the social and political change
37:30of Pakistan.
37:32They are unable to understand
37:34the social and political change
37:36of Pakistan.
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