Off The Record | Ashfaq ishaq Satti | Irshad Bhatti | Ghareeda Farooqi | ARY News | 6th March 2025
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00:00Asalam o alikum dear viewers, Ashfaq Ishaq Satti is here with you.
00:24I hope you all are doing well.
00:26The month of Ramadhan is passing by and if we talk about this week, there have been a lot of happenings.
00:31Happenings in the sense that a year of the government was completed and its activities were promoted by the government, which they achieved economic goals.
00:39According to them, the economy was on ventilators, they have removed it from the ventilators and brought it to a better position, and it is obvious that the numbers speak for themselves.
00:49So in that regard, we will talk a little about what the challenges were, which areas were such that more work was needed in them, and what can be the economic goals for the next 4 years.
00:58And the second most important thing is the income of the budget.
01:01The IMF has been conveyed that the mini-budget will not come, but what relief can the public get in the budget and especially the salaried class?
01:08And how will the next 4 years of the economy pass? We have to discuss this.
01:13Secondly, on the US side, the statement of Donald Trump from the Congress, he made the first address.
01:18In it, he praised Pakistan, it was a very strategic kind of operation, which the US CIA and the secret agency of Pakistan did together.
01:26And in it, we saw that a very wanted terrorist, who had planned to attack Kabul airport, in which 13 US troops had gone to go, his arrest was carried out from the Pak-Afghan border area.
01:38After that, Mr. Trump openly appreciated.
01:41Okay, his appreciation was also important in this regard, that before this, he had always been a critic of Pakistan.
01:48And this time, the security cooperation that took place, after that, the national security advisers there also contacted.
01:54And now, things are expected to go towards improvement.
01:57Now, on this, one aspect is very important, that Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf had high expectations, that yes, Mr. Trump will come, then a phone call will come, then the roads will open.
02:06But that did not happen. So, have all his expectations now been shattered?
02:10Secondly, from the perspective of India, it is also a very worrisome situation for India.
02:14India was doing a lot of lobbying, F-35 was also offered to them, and after that, the reform of lakhs of dollars.
02:20And despite all their lobbying firms and their system there, Pakistan was praised.
02:25So, how will it progress in the future, we will also talk about this.
02:28But secondly, there is one more thing, that what is happening in Pakistani politics?
02:33Especially, this Grand Opposition Alliance, in this atmosphere of uncertainty, that statements are continuously coming out from the side of the JUI.
02:40Will this alliance be able to be formed within it?
02:44Moving forward, or giving the government a tough time, or giving resistance, or if we talk at this time,
02:49then is there any resistance in front of the government?
02:53And if these political parties are not able to get together, then can they give the government a tough time individually?
02:58Let's talk about this. The guests who are present with us, we introduce them to you, Mr. Rauf Plasra.
03:03Along with him is Mr. Irshad Bhatti, and Ms. Gareeda Farooqui is joining us on the video link.
03:08Thank you very much to all of you.
03:10So, starting from you, Mr. Bhatti.
03:13So, tell us, what is going on?
03:16If we talk from the start, the government has been working for a year, what has been lost, what has been gained?
03:23The government has said that we have achieved these targets.
03:26So, do you feel satisfied with that?
03:29Absolutely, I feel satisfied from head to toe, and from toe to head.
03:35Head to toe.
03:36Yes, head to toe.
03:37Because, what have we lost, what have we gained?
03:41Okay.
03:52The model after 2000.
03:53Yes, the Musharraf model.
03:55Although, both of them made deals.
03:57Benazir Bhutto had welcomed Parvez Musharraf, and both of them made deals with Parvez Musharraf.
04:02So, Parvez Musharraf, and do see what was the best electoral system in it.
04:06How did Benazir welcome him?
04:09He himself went to Jalawati after the emergency.
04:12Brother, don't you know that Benazir Bhutto welcomed Parvez Musharraf?
04:16He welcomed Parvez Musharraf, which is a good thing.
04:18One thing is that there was an emergency.
04:19Brother, he saved his life from Nawaz Sharif.
04:21Okay.
04:22Benazir Bhutto had said that he saved his life from him.
04:25He was destroying the country.
04:27He was putting the country on the side.
04:29Benazir Bhutto welcomed him.
04:30Anyway, both of them made deals.
04:33So, the issue is that after Benazir Bhutto's 88th year,
04:38when Nawaz Sharif comes in his 90th year,
04:42when Benazir Bhutto comes in his second year,
04:45when Nawaz Sharif comes in his third year,
04:47I swear to God, 99% of the speeches that Nawaz Sharif gives are the same.
04:52Tell me one thing before I leave for work.
04:54Let me complete my thought.
04:56We are taking off.
04:59The economy is getting better.
05:01The Asian Tiger was there.
05:03We were taking out loans.
05:04The yellow taxi was there.
05:05We left all that.
05:06So, we have taken off.
05:09The problem with these tyrants is that these are our problems.
05:13These are the ones who are oppressing us.
05:15We are expecting them to solve our problems.
05:17Okay, tell me one thing.
05:19Did the IMF's first plan come in 1988 or before that?
05:22It came before that.
05:23So then?
05:24Brother, IMF is not an issue.
05:25Is IMF a bad thing?
05:28We should have done what the IMF is saying today.
05:31We have turned the IMF into a village.
05:33Is IMF a bad thing?
05:34The IMF takes out loans.
05:36The country moves forward.
05:37But the issue is that these tyrants have destroyed us.
05:43And they tell us to build huts.
05:45Once again, they are saying that the economy is getting better.
05:47Where are the fields and the soil?
05:49There is an industry.
05:50Okay, this will be a long story.
05:52Five things.
05:53Until we don't stop the population boom,
05:55until we don't reform the economy,
05:57until we don't build new provinces,
05:59until we don't get rid of the disadvantaged institutions,
06:02until we don't increase our income by reducing our expenses,
06:06until we don't get rid of the IMF's loan policy,
06:10nothing will happen.
06:11Okay, I got your point.
06:13One thing is that instead of building provinces,
06:16it is better to get the local elections done.
06:23Mr. Rauk, tell me something.
06:25One year has passed.
06:26They have done a lot of work.
06:28They have taken it up to 1988.
06:29But if we talk about this one year,
06:31there are a lot of challenges.
06:34If I tell you some stats,
06:36your exchange rates have doubled compared to one year.
06:40The increase in inflation has increased by 1.5% or 2%.
06:44There are many other factors.
06:45So, if we look at this one year,
06:48if we forget the past and look at the present,
06:50is it okay?
06:51The past has a lot to do with this one year.
06:54We can't confine it to just one year.
06:58All the challenges, problems, inefficiencies in the past year,
07:03were due to the last few decisions.
07:05Okay, it's all connected.
07:07I consider two people to be responsible.
07:09The crisis that has come later,
07:11this country has seen it, Pakistan has seen it.
07:13One, I consider Mr. Shaukat Reen.
07:15The other, I consider Mr. Ishaq Dar.
07:17In 2022, the deal with IMF,
07:19from where the crisis of Pakistan started,
07:21which the common man still doesn't understand
07:23how big a price we are paying for it.
07:26In 2022, PTI thought that our government is going.
07:30So, the way they broke the deal with IMF,
07:34they deliberately broke it.
07:35They increased the petrol, etc.
07:37No, they didn't increase it.
07:38They gave a subsidy.
07:39They gave a subsidy of Rs. 10.
07:41And Rs. 250, the development fund that you had,
07:45they gave it as a subsidy.
07:48And they knew that IMF would get upset
07:51and IMF would leave the deal.
07:53So, the work that you did,
07:55and do you remember,
07:56Sheikh Rasheed used to say that
07:57Mr. Khan went with gunpowder bullets.
08:00Has anyone ever asked him
08:01what these gunpowder bullets were?
08:03These were the gunpowder bullets
08:04that they broke the deal with IMF.
08:06Now, you say that
08:07how is the IMF deal related to this whole process?
08:10If you remember, at that time,
08:12Mr. Shaukat Reen,
08:13you have also read his statements,
08:15that the dollar was at Rs. 155.
08:17Between Rs. 155 and Rs. 160.
08:20In fact, Mr. Reen was saying that
08:22Rs. 152 or Rs. 155 is the original price.
08:25So, it was in this range.
08:26When you broke the deal with IMF,
08:28which they said was gunpowder bullets,
08:30which Sheikh Rasheed said,
08:31things got triggered from here.
08:32If I am telling you the correct estimate,
08:35at that time,
08:36your energy bill was around $35 billion.
08:40Your LNG was coming,
08:42petrol was coming, diesel was coming,
08:45or whatever was related to it.
08:46Your import bill.
08:47Your import bill.
08:48Along with that,
08:49$5 to $10 billion food items were coming.
08:51Your import of $70 to $80 billion was coming.
08:53At that time,
08:54your dollar rate,
08:55from Rs. 155,
08:57because of IMF,
08:59the economy was under pressure.
09:01Those 15 months were very troublesome.
09:03Your investor,
09:04people from outside were giving you loans,
09:07World Bank, Asian Development Bank,
09:08or other Islamic banks,
09:09because of which your foreign reserve was building up.
09:12All of them got out of it.
09:13The economic situation of Pakistan
09:15was not stable.
09:17When Mr. Khan went,
09:18it went till Rs. 188 billion.
09:19Then it stopped at Rs. 182 billion
09:21when Mr. Khan left.
09:22After that,
09:23the dollar was not going to stop
09:24because there was no reserve.
09:25There was a shortage in the market.
09:27Everyone panicked.
09:28Everyone started buying dollars.
09:30Your rates were increasing.
09:31Your banks were not opening LCO.
09:35Things were not coming from outside.
09:37Prices started increasing.
09:38The next thing was done by Mr. Dar.
09:40Mr. Khan left it at Rs. 182-188 billion.
09:42But he triggered it.
09:43He knew that
09:44Mr. Shaukat Reen and his company,
09:45that the work that we are doing,
09:47they cannot handle it.
09:4825 crore people took revenge on him
09:50that we will take the dollar up
09:53and whatever the inflation will be,
09:54ultimately it will fall on them
09:55because the common man does not understand these things.
09:57The next thing that Mr. Dar did,
09:58Mr. Mifta Ismail,
09:59we like it or not,
10:00Mr. Mifta Ismail,
10:01he had already made a deal with IMF.
10:04He had to sign it in September.
10:06At that time, the rate of dollar was around Rs. 220.
10:09It was going to go up to Rs. 20.
10:10So, Mr. Dar, who was sitting in London,
10:12he thought that
10:13even if he eats two eggs,
10:14when will he eat?
10:15He thought that
10:16we are sitting here,
10:17we have the status and we have made efforts.
10:18Mr. Mifta is here.
10:19He is taking credit.
10:20He is taking credit.
10:21He is sitting here.
10:22So, he came back.
10:23He got Mr. Mifta Ismail removed.
10:24A new crisis started from here.
10:27So, the rate of dollar,
10:28if you remember,
10:29it went up to Rs. 340.
10:30He did not sign the deal with IMF in September.
10:32If he had signed,
10:33it would have stopped at Rs. 220.
10:34So, after that,
10:35he signed the deal again.
10:37Mr. Dar,
10:38in March and April,
10:40when the total destruction
10:41had been forgotten for 6-7 months,
10:43he did it after that.
10:44So, you remember,
10:45there were smugglers,
10:46then money came.
10:47Of course, people came from there too.
10:48Then dollar came.
10:49After that,
10:50the current army establishment
10:51cracked down on it
10:52and you stopped the smugglers.
10:54So, dollar is now at Rs. 280.
10:56It has become stable.
10:57So, if I consider it to be a great achievement,
10:59let's leave the rest.
11:00What good or bad happened to them,
11:02it will be a long story for 2 minutes.
11:04I think,
11:05in all these circumstances,
11:06which I have told you,
11:07how it was triggered,
11:08from Rs. 155 to Rs. 340,
11:10including Mr. Shaukat Reen,
11:12Mr. Imran Khan,
11:13the entire cabinet,
11:14including them,
11:15they should not have committed
11:16such a big national crime
11:17that they did it,
11:18that they broke the deal.
11:19For their own benefit.
11:20And let alone for their own benefit,
11:21in your 25 crore people,
11:22those people were also included,
11:231.5-2 crore,
11:24who voted for you,
11:25they also travelled,
11:26when the price increased.
11:27I think the main achievement
11:28is that you did not
11:29give them the dollar.
11:30You caught the dollar at Rs. 280,
11:31and stopped it.
11:32Because of this,
11:33there is stability.
11:34The uncertainty,
11:35and then your LCs started opening.
11:37Earlier, the LCs did not open.
11:38You did not have money.
11:39You did not give them the dollar.
11:40So, in my opinion,
11:41if there is stability,
11:42if there is something,
11:43if there is nothing else,
11:44that is another thing.
11:45Your dollar,
11:46which was stopped,
11:47and what they tried,
11:48Mr. Shaukat Reen and his company,
11:49that we have spread
11:50the bombs here,
11:51and have destroyed this country.
11:52To what extent have they come out of it?
11:53I mean,
11:54they have not come out yet.
11:55The inflation will not decrease yet.
11:56That is the nature of it.
11:57The inflation will not decrease yet.
11:58That is the nature of it.
11:59There are many other reasons for it.
12:00Because when everything happened,
12:01people remember the period,
12:02at that time,
12:03your dollar was Rs. 155.
12:04Now, whatever petrol is coming,
12:05diesel is coming,
12:06or your food items are coming,
12:07that is coming at Rs. 280.
12:08You have converted it.
12:09So, the inflation will never go back
12:10to your Rs. 220.
12:11That is why the discussions
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12:13This is not said.
12:14Inflation and inflation
12:15will not increase.
12:16Exactly.
12:17Because people remember
12:18that,
12:19Mr. Imran Khan
12:20remembers Rs. 140 per litre.
12:21Along with this,
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16:29I am talking about the economy,
16:30you are talking about terrorism.
16:31This is one aspect.
16:32You gave the reference.
16:33I gave the report,
16:34I said that until you
16:35don't stop the population,
16:36no one is talking about
16:37population,
16:38how much it will be,
16:39250 crores,
16:40it will be 40 crores
16:41in the coming decades.
16:42Until you will not
16:43make new provinces
16:44it is unmanageable.
16:45Punjab, whatever
16:46Mariam Nawaz Sahiba,
16:47not 60 but 70 white snakes
16:48it is unmanageable.
16:49Until you do not
16:50start terrorism,
16:51it is unmanageable.
16:52Until you start terrorism,
16:53it is unmanageable.
16:54If you don't make
16:55new provinces,
16:56it is unmanageable.
16:57If you don't make
16:58They will not stop the economy, they will not come to one page on the economy, they will not get rid of all the government institutions, they will not make economic reforms, they will not make a single policy,
17:07they will reduce their expenses, they will increase their income.
17:12They put the truck behind the light, every fourth day they come and say that the economy is taking off.
17:19Look at their economy, yes it has taken off.
17:22It has gone beyond NASA and beyond the moon.
17:25There are two parties, the royal parties, look at these two parties.
17:29But Tariq Ansaaf is also a party.
17:30No, they don't have a royal family.
17:32They also have a government.
17:34Yes, yes, do it in such a way that they put a 70-year-old in them.
17:37Tell me one thing.
17:39It is very easy.
17:40I will answer, obviously Gareeda has joined us, but tell me one thing.
17:44A Jamaat comes into power after 22 or 23 years of preparation.
17:49After that there are elections.
17:50They say that we have this person, whose name is Asad Umar.
17:53He has the solution to everything.
17:55Okay?
17:56He has the solution.
17:57How many changes come after that?
17:59How many people change in the same Ministry of Treasury?
18:02That person says that we don't want Kashkol, we want to break Kashkol.
18:05We don't want to go to IMF, we want to commit suicide.
18:08What happens after that?
18:09Along with that, what is said is that we will give respect to the elected members.
18:17Are you discussing for a year or three parties?
18:20I am just talking to you.
18:21You are discussing for a year.
18:22What was your first question?
18:23I am just talking to you.
18:24Your first question was that the People's Party, Muslim League of this government,
18:28which is running for the fifth time,
18:30three separate times,
18:32for the fifth time, two times in a row,
18:34tell us about this government.
18:35How did one year go by?
18:36If you ask this question,
18:37what is the way of working of the People's Party and Muslim League,
18:40then all your points are correct.
18:42I will take an answer from Gareeda.
18:43His point was left in the middle.
18:45Gareeda, you were talking.
18:46We stopped in the middle.
18:47I was requesting you that until the security situation in your country is not better,
18:52till then you can dream of economic prosperity.
18:55Because they are all connected.
18:57Yes, true.
18:59Having said that,
19:00having said that,
19:01the economic situation in Pakistan has improved.
19:03Let's be objective.
19:06If we want to be objective,
19:07I think there are a lot of poets in Pakistan.
19:10There are a lot of poets for that.
19:12Let's be objective.
19:13We are sitting here to give analysis.
19:15So, let's not misguide the people.
19:17The macroeconomic figures are two aspects.
19:20Your interest rate has gone down.
19:22Things have improved.
19:23The stock market is the second best stock market in the world for investment.
19:27This is not a small feat.
19:29Your exports have increased.
19:32There has definitely been a decline in the textile sector.
19:35But the overall figure of exports is improving.
19:38So, the macroeconomic figures are increasing.
19:41In Pakistan's political situation,
19:43in Pakistan's economic situation,
19:46but your macroeconomic figures,
19:49if you say,
19:50what the people of Pakistan are saying,
19:52and I think they are right,
19:54that the inflation has not decreased.
19:56When the government tries to give statements
19:58that we have brought it down to 0.5 or 1.5,
20:01it doesn't mean that the things that were expensive,
20:03the things that were worth 500,
20:04the things that were worth 1000,
20:05the chicken that was worth 1500,
20:06is now worth 1 kg.
20:07So, a poor person can't even think of eating it.
20:10It doesn't mean that you have brought inflation to 1.5.
20:13So, the chicken has become worth 200 or 100.
20:15It is not like that.
20:16Yes, it is not increasing anymore.
20:18But the inflation is still there.
20:20So, here, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is right.
20:22And it challenges the government correctly.
20:24That you come with me.
20:26And you go to the market.
20:27So, what is the situation of inflation?
20:28If people don't hit their shoes, then you tell me.
20:30So, it is true that there is no decrease in inflation.
20:33People's food basket,
20:35daily food basket,
20:36monthly food basket,
20:37there is no difference in that.
20:39Leave the Ramazan package of 20 billion,
20:41you can also look at 40 billion.
20:43That is not enough.
20:45You don't put the nation on packages.
20:47Don't put the nation on relief packages.
20:49The expenses on the basis of daily,
20:51the expenses on the basis of monthly,
20:53you reduce that.
20:54Then, the taxes of the salary class,
20:56the budget is about to come.
20:57You have to see in that,
20:59whether you can give relief to the salary class or not.
21:02The claims are big.
21:03Now, they have expanded in the cabinet.
21:05All the names that have come in the cabinet,
21:07they are all respectable.
21:09They are all honorable.
21:10They are good names.
21:11They are working names.
21:13But was it necessary?
21:15Or have you only accommodated?
21:17Politically accommodated.
21:18So, when you go to optics,
21:20that people have nothing to eat,
21:22they have unemployment,
21:25a young man leaves the university,
21:27he doesn't believe that
21:29he will get a job or not.
21:31In this way, you are doing expansions in the cabinet,
21:33you are distributing positions.
21:35So, these optics don't go well.
21:37Political optics don't go well.
21:39But I understand,
21:40the question you had raised,
21:42that the direction should be correct.
21:44So, the direction is at least correct.
21:46And as you were saying,
21:47now see,
21:48what is the counter-plan of the opposition?
21:51The counter-plan is that
21:53when the budget was presented last year,
21:55then all the opposition
21:57gave speeches by releasing Imran Khan.
21:59Was this your economic counter-plan?
22:01Should these be the budget speeches?
22:03This year's budget is also coming.
22:05So, let's see,
22:06in the assembly,
22:07according to Pakistan's style,
22:08what does the opposition present
22:10as its economic white paper?
22:12What economic substitute plan does it give?
22:15So, this is the job of the opposition.
22:17But with apologies,
22:18the opposition is also completely stuck.
22:21That until Imran Khan is released,
22:23we will not talk about anything else.
22:25But for the release of Imran Khan,
22:27you talk on one side of making unity,
22:30and on the other side of holding
22:32the feet of the establishment,
22:33you make plans.
22:35The plans that have not been successful so far.
22:38So, these contradictions are also present
22:40within the opposition.
22:42As long as these contradictions remain,
22:44a strong opposition performs very well
22:47for the accountability
22:48of the government in seating.
22:51So, as long as there is no strong opposition
22:53on any government,
22:56then you cannot read
22:57Inna lillah wa inna lahe rajioon.
23:00Okay, let's take a break here.
23:02We will continue after the break.
23:09After the break,
23:10once again,
23:11all of you are welcome.
23:12Mr. Kalasarath,
23:13at one point,
23:14I wanted to say that
23:15the numbers that are stated,
23:16of inflation and all these things,
23:18the reason for the decrease in inflation
23:20can also be that
23:21the purchasing power of people
23:23that is being discussed
23:24for a long time,
23:25has not increased much.
23:26That is,
23:27if people reduce their purchasing power,
23:28or their purchasing power
23:29will not be so strong,
23:30or their salaries will not increase
23:31according to this,
23:32then that also has an impact
23:34on how much they go out
23:35and try to purchase.
23:37So, do the government officials
23:39or government figures
23:40keep this in mind
23:41when they talk about the CPI?
23:43This needs to be understood.
23:45When the government says
23:46that the rate of inflation has decreased,
23:49as Mr. Gareeda was saying,
23:51the common man does not understand it
23:53in the way that
23:54the government is saying
23:55that there is a huge gap
23:56between the two.
23:57The government says
23:58that the speed at which
23:59inflation was increasing,
24:00that speed we should control.
24:02They do not say that
24:03inflation is decreasing.
24:04They are not saying that.
24:05It is a very delicate point.
24:07This needs to be kept in mind.
24:09They talk about Sharah.
24:10That is,
24:11inflation increased
24:12on the basis of 10%
24:13after a month or a week.
24:14It went up to 20%,
24:15up to 40%.
24:16But the public was given
24:17this impression initially
24:18until its explanations
24:19started coming from
24:20economic experts.
24:21The public does not understand
24:22this.
24:23They say that
24:24inflation is increasing.
24:25It is increasing.
24:26If Sharah is increasing
24:27on the basis of 3%
24:28daily,
24:29then this needs to be
24:30differentiated.
24:31It is tricky.
24:32In this,
24:33inflation is not decreasing.
24:34It is increasing.
24:35It is increasing
24:36by 3%,
24:37by 5%,
24:38by 40%.
24:39It is increasing.
24:40It is multiplying.
24:41The government says
24:42that
24:43it was increasing
24:44on the basis of 40%
24:45earlier.
24:46It was increasing
24:47by 40%
24:48initially.
24:49Now it is decreasing.
24:50Now they say
24:51that it is increasing
24:52by 3%,
24:53by 5%,
24:54by 6%.
24:55The common man
24:56understands this.
24:57When you say that
24:58inflation is decreasing,
24:59the common man
25:00does not understand
25:01Sharah.
25:02He understands
25:03that these samosas
25:04used to cost
25:05Rs. 10.
25:06Now it is
25:07increasing by
25:08Rs. 11.
25:09You say that
25:10inflation is decreasing.
25:11What does the government
25:12say?
25:13They say that
25:14you were supposed
25:15to get it for
25:16Rs. 15.
25:17We have increased it
25:18by Rs. 11.
25:19It means that
25:20one rupee has increased
25:21and not 4 rupees.
25:22The government
25:23does these things
25:24for the people.
25:25They do messaging.
25:26I don't understand
25:27the IMF till date.
25:28They tell us
25:29very good things.
25:30They make us do
25:31good things
25:32which are important
25:33for us.
25:34It is important
25:35for us
25:36that you spent
25:37one year
25:38and you claimed
25:39that you spent
25:40the whole year
25:41very well.
25:42It was a difficult
25:43year for you.
25:44Despite this,
25:45you claimed
25:46that you got
25:47the government
25:48and everything
25:49right.
25:50Then why do you
25:51not get paid?
25:52You got your salary
25:53from Rs. 2.25 lakhs
25:54or Rs. 1 lakh.
25:55You got it
25:56from Rs. 5 lakhs.
25:57The IMF doesn't
25:58say anything to you.
25:59After that,
26:00you put in
26:0120-25 new ministers
26:02and now you
26:03say that
26:04you will put in
26:05more.
26:06The IMF
26:07doesn't say anything
26:08to you.
26:09I raised this question
26:10and they were
26:11saying that
26:12they are not
26:13drawing their
26:14salaries.
26:15They are not
26:16taking their
26:17salaries from
26:18the government.
26:19Who is not taking
26:20their salaries?
26:21I doubt that
26:22everyone is not
26:23taking their salaries.
26:24Everyone is taking
26:25their salaries.
26:26There are
26:27some people
26:28in every cabinet
26:29who say that
26:30they can get
26:31their salaries
26:32counted.
26:33They also
26:34put up
26:35news about
26:36their salaries.
26:37They are not
26:38taking their
26:39salaries.
26:40You should
26:41take your
26:42salaries.
26:43I am not
26:44saying that
26:45you should
26:46not
26:47take your
26:48salaries.
26:49I am
26:50not saying
26:51that you
26:52should
26:53not
26:54take your
26:55salaries.
26:56I am
26:57not
26:58saying
26:59that you
27:00should
27:01not
27:02take your
27:03salaries.
27:04I am
27:05not
27:06saying
27:07that you
27:08should
27:09not
27:10take your
27:11salaries.
27:12I am
27:13not
27:14saying
27:15that you
27:16should
27:17not
27:18take
27:19your
27:20salaries.
27:21I
27:22am
27:23not
27:24saying
27:25that
27:26you
27:27should
27:28not
27:29take your
27:30salaries.
27:31I
27:32am
27:33not
27:34saying
27:35that you
27:36should
27:37not
27:38take your
27:39salaries.
27:40I
27:41am
27:42not
27:43saying
27:44that you
27:45should
27:46not
27:47take
27:48your
27:49salaries.
27:50I
27:51am
27:52not
27:53saying
27:54that you
27:55should
27:56not
27:57take your
27:58salaries.
27:59I
28:00am
28:01not
28:02saying
28:03that you
28:04should
28:05not
28:06take your
28:07salaries.
28:08I
28:09am
28:10not
28:11saying
28:12that you
28:13should
28:14not
28:15take your
28:16salaries.
28:17I
28:18am
28:19not
28:20saying
28:21that you
28:22should
28:23not
28:24take your
28:25salaries.
28:26I
28:27am
28:28not
28:29saying
28:30that you
28:31should
28:32not
28:33take your
28:34salaries.
28:35I
28:36am
28:37not
28:38saying
28:39that you
28:40should
28:41not
28:42take your
28:43salaries.
28:44I
28:45am
28:46not
28:47saying
28:48that you
28:49should
28:50not
28:51take your
28:52salaries.
28:53I
28:54am
28:55not
28:56saying
28:57that you
28:58should
28:59not
29:00take your
29:01salaries.
29:02I
29:03am
29:04not
29:05saying
29:06that you
29:07should
29:08not
29:09take your
29:10salaries.
29:11I
29:12am
29:13not
29:14saying
29:15that you
29:16should
29:17not
29:18take your
29:19salaries.
29:20I
29:21am
29:22not
29:23saying
29:24that you
29:25should
29:26not
29:27take your
29:28salaries.
29:29I
29:30am
29:31not
29:32saying
29:33that you
29:34should
29:35not
29:36take your
29:37salaries.
29:38I
29:39am
29:40not
29:41saying
29:42that you
29:43should
29:44not
29:45take your
29:46salaries.
29:47I
29:48am
29:49not
29:50saying
29:51that you
29:52should
29:53not
29:54take your
29:55salaries.
29:56I
29:57am
29:58not
29:59saying
30:00that you
30:01should
30:02not
30:03take your
30:04salaries.
30:05I
30:06am
30:07not
30:08saying
30:09that you
30:10should
30:11not
30:12take
30:13your
30:14salaries.
30:15I
30:16am
30:17not
30:18saying
30:19that you
30:20should
30:21not
30:22take your
30:23salaries.
30:24I
30:25am
30:26not
30:27saying
30:28that you
30:29should
30:30not
30:31take your
30:32salaries.
30:33I
30:34am
30:35not
30:36saying
30:37that you
30:38should
30:39not
30:40take your
30:41salaries.
30:42I
30:43am
30:44not
30:45saying
30:46that you
30:47should
30:48not
30:49take your
30:50salaries.
30:51I
30:52am
30:53not
30:54saying
30:55that you
30:56should
30:57not
30:58take your
30:59salaries.
31:00I
31:01am
31:02not
31:03saying
31:04that you
31:05should
31:06not
31:07take your
31:08salaries.
31:09I
31:10am
31:11not
31:12saying
31:13that you
31:14should
31:15not
31:16take your
31:17salaries.
31:18I
31:19am
31:20not
31:21saying
31:22that you
31:23should
31:24not
31:25take your
31:26salaries.
31:27I
31:28am
31:29not
31:30saying
31:31that you
31:32should
31:33not
31:34take your
31:35salaries.
31:36I
31:37am
31:38not
31:39saying
31:40that you
31:41should
31:42not
31:43take your
31:44salaries.
31:45I
31:46am
31:47not
31:48saying
31:49that you
31:50should
31:51not
31:52take your
31:53salaries.
31:54I
31:55am
31:56not
31:57saying
31:58that you
31:59should
32:00not
32:01take your
32:02salaries.
32:03I
32:04am
32:05not
32:06saying
32:07that you
32:08should
32:09not
32:10take your
32:11salaries.
32:12I
32:13am
32:14not
32:15saying
32:16that you
32:17should
32:18not
32:19take your
32:20salaries.
32:21I
32:22am
32:23not
32:24saying
32:25that you
32:26should
32:27not
32:28take your
32:29salaries.
32:30I
32:31am
32:32not
32:33saying
32:34that you
32:35should
32:36not
32:37take
32:38your
32:39salaries.
32:40I
32:41am
32:42not
32:43saying
32:44that you
32:45should
32:46I will miss you if there is a revolution.
32:49Then the status quo will be over.
32:52Don't worry, I am not disheartened.
32:54We will start a revolution, don't worry.
32:56Don't worry, I am not disheartened.
32:59You talked on a lighter note.
33:02I have a short time, I have to answer.
33:06Your answer to the question, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf,
33:09Imran Khan needed the support of Kabir Tahir-ul-Qadri,
33:12now they need the support of Maulana Fazlur Rehman.
33:15The establishment was behind him, now it is in front of him.
33:18So, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf and Imran Khan need some support.
33:22But the other important thing is that
33:24the opposition that is being tried to unite,
33:27Asad Qaisar said that we are going to do the Charter of Democracy.
33:31So, Imran Khan himself is against the COD.
33:34He used to say that the COD was silent,
33:36between two big parties.
33:38Today, you are comparing the same COD with yourself.
33:43So, what kind of politics is this?
33:45Number one.
33:46Number two.
33:47I accept that after the Charter of Democracy,
33:49if the PTI succeeded in making the COD 2.0,
33:53then this can be another decisive point.
33:56And the Charter of Democracy was that,
33:58in which two big heavyweights,
34:00the former PM was included.
34:02But no other PM is present with them,
34:05except Shahid Khan Abbasid.
34:07Shahid Khan Abbasid's political weight is so high,
34:10that he can support Imran Khan.
34:12That's why we need Maulana Fazlur Rahman.
34:14But Maulana Fazlur Rahman's JJU came,
34:16and Imran Khan's PTI came.
34:18There is nothing familiar,
34:20there is nothing similar,
34:22there is no common ground in them.
34:24Neither ideological,
34:25nor political,
34:26nor social.
34:27So, there are a lot of divisions.
34:29Apart from divisions, there is mistrust.
34:31So, based on these things,
34:32I don't think there is a grand alliance of the opposition.
34:35Gareeda, how many things are common in the People's Party and Muslim League?
34:40I couldn't hear.
34:42Panditji, are you saying something?
34:44He was talking about commonalities.
34:46There is no commonality in the People's Party,
34:48and in the Noon League.
34:49It is so common, by the way.
34:50No, there is anger here.
34:52Yes, yes, yes.
34:53I got your answer.
34:55I got your answer.
34:56But I requested,
34:57that when COD was done,
34:59between the People's Party and PMLN,
35:01okay, what happened after that?
35:03People's Party inclined towards Musharraf once,
35:06but there were differences between the two,
35:09that they learned from their history.
35:11This is a very strange learning.
35:13Okay, okay.
35:14Did PTI learn from their history?
35:16The biggest mistrust,
35:18one last sentence,
35:19the biggest mistrust,
35:20in fact,
35:21two sentences,
35:22your permission.
35:23Yes, yes, please.
35:24No matter how many communities are gathered in the opposition alliance,
35:26everyone's point of view will be that
35:28we get power.
35:30This can be commonality.
35:32Especially of PTI.
35:33Secondly,
35:34the biggest mistrust in Pakistan is
35:36the conduct of justice,
35:37political conduct.
35:38Okay.
35:39On one hand,
35:40you are making an opposition alliance,
35:41on the other hand,
35:42you are trying to get in touch
35:43with the bank and establishment.
35:44Okay.
35:45From there,
35:46you are trying to rectify
35:47the situation.
35:48Okay, okay.
35:49This is PMLN.
35:50Okay, okay.
35:51Thank you so much, Gareeda.
35:53Thank you so much, Mr. Bhatti,
35:54for your time, sir.
35:55Mr. Rahul Kalasra,
35:56thank you very much.
35:57We will take a break here.
35:58We will be back after the break.
35:59We will conclude the program.
36:04Welcome back.
36:05We will be back after the break.
36:06At the end of the program,
36:07the direction of the government
36:08is good,
36:09but there are many things.
36:10Optics matter a lot.
36:11And if we look at it under optics,
36:13the way the government has been
36:14expanded in its expenditures
36:15and cabinet,
36:16if there are expenses,
36:17then they should be given
36:18to their offices as soon as possible.
36:20And then,
36:21this benefit should be
36:22given to the public.
36:23The budget is about to come.
36:24And how the public will be
36:25relieved in the budget,
36:26how the salaried class
36:27will be relieved,
36:28that is very important.
36:29Plus,
36:30the opposition
36:31is currently
36:32in a position
36:33where no alliance
36:34can be formed.
36:35But,
36:36we have our fingers crossed.
36:37That is all for the program.
36:38Allow me to leave.
36:39Allah Hafiz.