11th Hour | Waseem Badami | Fawad Chaudhry | Barrister Saif | ARY News | 22nd November 2024
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00:00Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, Assalamu Alaikum, we will talk about politics, there is a lot
00:24to discuss.
00:25But what can be done, if in one day, at least 38 people are martyred, 38, including a 9-year-old
00:32girl and women, then a few seconds of her mention is more than deserved, but it is necessary.
00:38If I say in your service that an area of Vatan-e-Aziz was like this for years, for about 2-3 years,
00:46that the area which was connected to Pakistan through a road, we are talking about the area
00:52of Pakistan, if you go to Pakistan, there is one road, and that one road was closed for
00:58more than 2 years, and for so long, that whole area was practically cut off from Pakistan.
01:06And when the people of that area had to come to Pakistan, they used to come through Afghanistan.
01:10So will you believe it?
01:12Do it.
01:13This is what happened a few years ago.
01:15Then after that, the situation kept going up and down, sometimes there was a self-destruction,
01:19sometimes this, sometimes that.
01:21There are a lot of stories.
01:22If we fast-forward all of them and come to today's incident, and a similar incident
01:25has happened a few days ago, if we come to recent incidents and come to today's incidents,
01:29this is one road.
01:31If you go from Peshawar, if you still put it on Google Maps, then put Peshawar and Parachinar,
01:35it takes about a 6-hour drive.
01:37There is a distance of about 250 km.
01:39Go from Peshawar to Parachinar.
01:42There are a thousand problems on this one road.
01:46And the most terrifying, worrying, and surprising thing is that one road is not being protected.
01:52If someone has to go from one corner of this road to another, that is, if someone has to
01:57walk from Peshawar to Parachinar, or if someone has to walk from Parachinar to Peshawar,
02:01then it is said to him, brother, stop, you have to go on this day, you have to go at this time,
02:06when so many cars have gathered, you have to go again, you have to go in the form of a convoy,
02:10security ahead, security behind, you have to go again, you don't have to go alone,
02:13otherwise anything can happen.
02:14Even on this 6-hour road, there is about an hour and a half, which is more sensitive.
02:18That one and a half-hour road is not being controlled.
02:20Before this, incidents kept happening.
02:22And sometimes it was also said that, sir, look, this is the mistake of the passenger cars.
02:26They have been told that you do not have to move without security.
02:28But without this, they were going without security.
02:30Look, they made a target.
02:31Today, it's amazing.
02:33There is a convoy of about 100 cars,
02:36in which there are women, children, everyone, workers, everything.
02:39There is security ahead of it.
02:41There is security behind it.
02:43The whole convoy is going in the form of a convoy.
02:47At one point, there is firing on this convoy.
02:50Head and tail, the beginning and end of the convoy,
02:54there is firing on it.
02:56So the whole convoy gets disturbed.
02:58And in this way, people start being targeted by firing on cars.
03:02Some cars get in the way.
03:04Some, of course, do not move.
03:06They move ahead.
03:07People go ahead and sit at another place.
03:09And this is not like that.
03:11If you have a map in your mind,
03:13that there is no mountain, jungle, desolate, desolate,
03:15that suddenly there is no place ahead.
03:16It is not like that.
03:17It is a semi-urban area.
03:18We are talking about semi-urban areas.
03:20So the convoy is intercepted at another place.
03:23Then some cars get in the way of firing.
03:25Then some cars move ahead.
03:27When they move ahead, I am not telling you a cinematic scene.
03:30So it is intercepted at a third place.
03:33And then there is firing.
03:35And then people are killed.
03:37Today, at least 38 people have been martyred in this incident.
03:41And according to the BBC,
03:45the security people there, the police, etc.
03:48They said that we were going in the convoy,
03:50there were security cars.
03:51But we don't know where the firing started.
03:54We don't know where the firing started.
03:57And there is another strategic situation in this area,
04:00that it is surrounded by Afghanistan from all three sides.
04:03Kurram and its capital is Parachina.
04:05So this is a very sad incident.
04:09It is obvious that at least 38 people have been martyred.
04:12But this is a very worrying and terrifying incident
04:15that on the same road, with the same pattern,
04:18in a specific part of the road,
04:20incidents are taking place continuously.
04:22That is, it is predictable that an incident can occur here.
04:24And even then, incidents are not able to stop.
04:26Even then, incidents of government and state are not able to stop.
04:29This is a very scary thing.
04:31Politics and all other matters are very important.
04:34I pray to God that it doesn't happen that
04:36behind politics, let me say,
04:39in a developed country like this,
04:41if something happens to 38 animals,
04:44then it becomes a headline.
04:4638 people have been killed here.
04:47And this is not the first incident.
04:49And Amir Mughal, the President of the PTI,
04:52is with us.
04:53Barrister Saif is with us.
04:55He is the representative of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government.
04:57He is a spokesperson.
04:58We will talk about this in more detail.
05:00And we will start with this question.
05:01Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
05:03Wa-alaikum-as-salam.
05:05Sir, thank you very much for your time, Saif sahib.
05:07First of all, you will tell us,
05:08because this is a controversial information,
05:09what is the official number of the government
05:12and how many people have been martyred in this incident?
05:16Mr. Azami, I can hear your voice very faintly.
05:18I can hardly hear you.
05:20Sir, I will try to be a bit loud.
05:22Can you tell us the official number of the people
05:24who have been martyred and injured in the Parachinar incident?
05:42As we speak, the crime scene is clear
05:45and there is no situation there at the moment, right?
05:50The armed forces have surrounded the area.
05:52The crime scene is very clear.
05:55The area where the attack took place is a wide area.
06:01There has been firing from different places.
06:03They have cordoned off the area.
06:05It is secure till now.
06:06Obviously, those who had to do it have fled.
06:09And it is also dark at the moment.
06:11They are doing their legal proceedings.
06:14They are managing the arrangements for it immediately after the incident.
06:17Sir, is there any official information
06:20that whether any organization has accepted the responsibility for this incident?
06:25At the moment, no one has come forward to accept the responsibility.
06:30However, we have an idea that this is not a sectarian-related incident
06:36which happens routinely in Qoram.
06:41We have an idea that this is a terrorist attack
06:44and one of the terrorist organizations
06:47which is currently operating in different parts of Pakistan
06:50is involved in this.
06:52However, no one has formally accepted the responsibility.
06:55Is it too early to predict if there is a local element or a foreign one?
07:00The terrorist organizations,
07:03their local informers and activists
07:06operate in these areas secretly.
07:11They will definitely be involved in this.
07:13However, I believe that this is a large-scale attack
07:18and the way it was carried out
07:21is a typical style of convoy ambush
07:26used in guerrilla warfare.
07:28So, we have an idea that this is not a normal criminal or sectarian-level incident.
07:34This is of a high magnitude
07:36and the terrorist factor is involved across Afghanistan.
07:43However, we cannot say anything definitively about this.
07:47The pattern shows that the involvement of some elements in Afghanistan
07:50is not considered foreign. Am I right?
07:54I believe that the involvement of terrorist organizations in Afghanistan
08:01is not considered foreign.
08:05Right.
08:06Sir, isn't this a worrying thing?
08:09Obviously, if there is an incident anywhere,
08:11it raises a red flag.
08:13But, typically, this is a road that everyone is aware of.
08:17So, it is worrying to have an incident here.
08:19It is not surprising, unfortunately,
08:21because it has happened before and it is expected.
08:23That is why there are instructions to move with a convoy.
08:26This is a planned convoy.
08:28It is going with a convoy.
08:29It is going with security.
08:31Yet, the terrorists manage
08:33to attack the convoy with one, two or three people.
08:36Isn't this a worrying thing in this regard?
08:40It is certainly a worrying and unfortunate thing.
08:44But, look, from the government's side,
08:46as security measures, police vehicles,
08:50armed police vehicles,
08:53and a regular movement in the form of a convoy
08:56are the only measures that can be taken in these circumstances.
09:00And generally, they are taken.
09:02But, certainly, the attackers,
09:05it was part of their plan
09:09to attack the convoy in this situation.
09:14So, certainly, the steps they took
09:17or the planning they did
09:20was to counter all these factors.
09:23That is why, when the convoy was going,
09:26the police vehicles in front and behind
09:28were targeted first.
09:31And after engaging the police,
09:33the vehicles of the common people were fired at.
09:36Then, of course, once the excitement spreads,
09:40then managing the crowd is not that easy.
09:44And the targets, as they are sitting securely
09:46and they know how to target,
09:50they do it in a relatively better way.
09:52The defenders are in a difficult situation
09:54and the attackers are comparatively in control of the situation.
10:00Have the police vehicles been martyred in this incident?
10:03Pardon?
10:04Have the police vehicles been martyred in this incident?
10:06Many of the police vehicles have been severely injured
10:09and have been evacuated from there to the hospital.
10:12So, may God save their lives.
10:14But, there is a possibility that they too have been martyred.
10:19And the last thing, unfortunately,
10:22in Peshawar and KP,
10:23there have been many such incidents in various areas.
10:26I am not politicizing this at this time,
10:29but if there is an incident in Bifak,
10:31the responsibility will be placed on the government of Bifak.
10:33Even if it is in the province,
10:34there is a responsibility on Bifak
10:35and there will be questions from the provincial government.
10:37There was a time when there were many such incidents.
10:40The provincial government of that time,
10:41the ANP,
10:42their leaders used to reach there,
10:44they used to give statements.
10:46Your critic says that
10:47we do not see the presence of the provincial government of Bifak in that way.
10:51Sometimes it is here, sometimes it is somewhere else.
10:55As far as the determination of responsibility is concerned,
10:59this incident has certainly happened on the land of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
11:02So, we will not say this,
11:04nor should we say that we do not take responsibility for our security.
11:09Our responsibility is primarily,
11:11but the magnitude of attack or magnitude of violence,
11:15you have to see that too.
11:16If this is terrorism,
11:18then terrorism has always been
11:20an issue of national security in our Pakistan system.
11:23And in national security,
11:24there is a fundamental responsibility of the government of Bifak
11:26and its subordinates.
11:29There is police in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
11:31The police were fulfilling their responsibility.
11:33They were escorting the convoy.
11:35They were present on the spot.
11:36The police have taken hits.
11:38People are injured.
11:39There may be martyrs.
11:41We will find out more tomorrow.
11:43But the whole number will be revealed.
11:45People are being treated in hospitals at the moment.
11:48So, I would say that
11:49the primary responsibility of the province
11:51is that it is fulfilling its responsibility.
11:53But the rest of the nations or the rest of the governments
11:56should not see a spectacle.
11:57In fact, they should also realize their responsibility.
11:59And the fundamental responsibility in this is that of the government of Bifak.
12:01I understand that there is an incident in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
12:04in Balochistan,
12:05in Sindh,
12:06in Punjab,
12:07wherever it is,
12:08the responsibility of the province is definitely there.
12:10But,
12:11to the extent of law and order,
12:12the province is not so equipped
12:14to tackle terrorism
12:16head-on in that way.
12:18The second thing is that
12:20as far as those matters are concerned,
12:23such as cross-border infiltration,
12:25terrorism,
12:26cross-border attacks,
12:27the responsibility of the border
12:29is not of the province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
12:31It is someone else's.
12:32So, they want the government of Bifak to do it.
12:35Apart from that,
12:36these terrorist networks,
12:38for their leadership,
12:40which country should they talk to?
12:42Are the officials of the government of Bifak
12:44talking to anyone there?
12:46They can only ask one question.
12:48I just hope,
12:49as this has happened today,
12:51that,
12:52God willing,
12:53because,
12:54obviously,
12:55every person's life is very precious,
12:57and,
12:58at least,
12:59in such incidents,
13:00where it can be predicted
13:01that this area is sensitive,
13:02a particular road,
13:03a particular area,
13:04at least,
13:05I hope that,
13:06in the future,
13:07we do not talk about such issues,
13:08and,
13:09God willing,
13:10at least,
13:11the coordination of the Bifak province
13:12should be ideal
13:13and people should not have to hear
13:14such things,
13:15such news.
13:16Moving forward,
13:17Zaheer,
13:18coming to the 24th of November event,
13:20Sir,
13:21you said very categorically,
13:22that,
13:23in whatever words,
13:24that,
13:25yes,
13:26we are having negotiations,
13:27that is,
13:28we are being sent messages
13:29to move forward,
13:30to move the date forward.
13:31In Bifak's entry,
13:32in very categorical,
13:33two-stroke words,
13:34I said,
13:35that,
13:36where are the negotiations taking place?
13:37There are no negotiations.
13:38Did you deny this in any way?
13:39No,
13:40in my opinion,
13:41I will disagree with you a little,
13:42in the fact that,
13:43I certainly said that,
13:44that,
13:45yes,
13:46there have been contacts for talks,
13:47there have been talks in an informal manner,
13:48but,
13:49some negotiations,
13:50which,
13:51if you talk about formal negotiations
13:52and talks,
13:53those have not taken place,
13:54right?
13:55Now,
13:56suppose,
13:57I have a contact with you,
13:58and I have an unofficial contact with you,
13:59and I give you a suggestion,
14:00or I discuss an issue,
14:01then,
14:02you cannot call this a negotiation.
14:03If,
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