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07:53justice
08:03horrendous
08:06When it was Mr. Dalyal's time, you were the darling of Mr. Kazi.
08:11You, Asad Toor, Mathew Lajans.
08:14I mean, all friends and brothers.
08:16All of them were my friends too.
08:18I used to come to him and say, what changed?
08:20What changed that you changed?
08:22That was the time when you were fighting for them.
08:24Asad was the same as Asad Ali Toor.
08:27If Sareena Issa Sahiba had to go to the FBI or the court,
08:31who was with her?
08:32Asad Toor was physically beaten.
08:34But Asad reached everywhere.
08:36He was seen standing with her.
08:38Did that change anything for you?
08:39But Muneeb, what is the legacy?
08:41Do you think the government is right
08:43or the opposition is right about Mr. Kazi?
08:48Mr. Kazi, I think the problem is that
08:50this whole fight is about your judge and my judge.
08:53Once upon a time, we used to hear,
08:54our chief, this and that.
08:57I mean, what we have seen.
08:59Now, I feel that this is also a series
09:01of our judge or your judge or whoever it is.
09:05I just say that...
09:07But Mr. Kazi was the beacon of hope.
09:11He was the anti-establishment.
09:13He had to come and fix Sadliya.
09:15He had to come and fix the system of this country.
09:20Everyone had high hopes for Mr. Kazi.
09:22Especially after Faizabad's decision,
09:24everyone wanted Mr. Kazi to come.
09:27Then see what will be right in this country
09:28and how it will be right.
09:30We found out that...
09:32The thing is...
09:35Yes, yes.
09:36Mr. Kazi, I would like to make a request.
09:39See, our irony is that we are very good at making up stories.
09:45And we make up imaginary stories ourselves
09:48because of an act or a decision.
09:50We say, see, it will be great when this person comes.
09:53I have known Mr. Umar Atta Bandiyal since he was a lawyer
09:58and was a member of Laik Mukla.
09:59He was the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court.
10:02Then he was elevated to the Supreme Court.
10:04At the end of the day, what happened?
10:06He also created such a distinct division in the Supreme Court.
10:10Then, like he did in many places...
10:13In many cases, there is no judicial process.
10:15You are just facilitating it, basically.
10:17Or you are just sitting and...
10:19So, in the past 5-7 years,
10:21is there a Chief Justice who has not facilitated it?
10:27Unfortunately, no.
10:28If I say that I consider Mr. Tasadduk Jilani and Mr. Nasr-ul-Mulk...
10:32But the last of the apolitical judges.
10:34This is my opinion.
10:36Yes, I think that both of them were very honourable judges.
10:39And they conducted themselves very well
10:41without being involved in any unnecessary act.
10:44Without being involved in any mischief.
10:47The people who disappointed me,
10:49because I am a Pakistani and as a lawyer...
10:52Because I am used to these things.
10:56Keep one thing in mind.
10:57In the cases where you are accused of...
10:59Hans Kelsen, Lord Denning, Godfather...
11:03In the cases where you are accused of being a Pakistani,
11:06there will be incidents.
11:07Keep this in mind.
11:09Secondly, let me tell you that we glorify judges
11:13by giving one judgment.
11:14Let me tell you something.
11:15I often say that if you don't want to say something yourself,
11:18then you can say it in the name of Lord Denning.
11:21I kind of tend to agree with you.
11:24No, no.
11:24I would say that this form...
11:27If I say that this form is ruled by the 47th government...
11:31Mr. Mulana Fazlur Rahman says that this form is ruled by the 47th government.
11:34This is how it works.
11:36This is how it works.
11:37That's what I am saying.
11:38In the case where you have to give a judgment,
11:41and I am saying this because of the judgment,
11:43in that case, you start doing these things.
11:45But having said that,
11:46Mr. Qazi Faizal is honourable.
11:48He is completing his career.
11:51I don't know, I have said this many times in your program,
11:54and I have said this in other places as well,
11:56that I am disappointed with his tenure.
12:00The reason for that was only this.
12:01Look, the case of the bullet mark,
12:04the case of the bullet mark was an intraparty election case.
12:07I had only one argument in that.
12:08That right before the elections,
12:10you...
12:12Look, when you have to give leverage or space,
12:15then you say, yes, this is a big...
12:16You really did a big...
12:17You didn't fix the intraparty.
12:20But we are standing at such a juncture
12:22that where the election is...
12:25Around the corner.
12:25It is a matter of two to three weeks.
12:28Yes, it is around the corner.
12:30And we are giving you this grace period.
12:33You do this in this.
12:35We don't want to disenfranchise your party or your voters,
12:38nor do we want to create any confusion.
12:40I...
12:42Because I have been talking about this before as well.
12:44I was on this thing.
12:46The second thing is...
12:48Look, this is a person's conscience.
12:52I can't restrict any judge
12:53to listen or not listen to a case.
12:56But creating bad blood is a human nature.
12:59If you...
13:00Yes, it shouldn't be like that.
13:02I am sure you are referring to the PTI thing.
13:04If you have the power today,
13:07you do something bad to me.
13:11And tomorrow, if I come to a place
13:12and you are at the receiving end,
13:13then in my mind, if you think that I am a saint
13:17and I will forget that Mr. Kashyap did something bad to me,
13:20then I am sorry.
13:21I can't force myself to do this.
13:23One thing is that you can't put aside your anger.
13:27You can't hold your anger.
13:30You can't hold your anger.
13:31You can't hold your anger.
13:32You have to use your anger.
13:35One thing is that my anger won't prevail,
13:37but because of that, I will hit the stick.
13:40He is the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
13:41But he is holding a stick.
13:43We will justify his anger.
13:45And therefore, all these actions...
13:46I am saying that he will hit the stick.
13:48He won't listen.
13:49It's a simple thing, Mr. Kashyap.
13:51Why won't he listen to the case?
13:52He will hit the stick once or twice.
13:53It seemed that he will not listen to the case.
13:56Alkham, tell me.
13:58Like I said, you were Mr. Kashyap's darling.
14:00Mr. Kashyap, even today, he talks about you.
14:03You are YouTubers.
14:05All of you have become YouTubers.
14:07So, Mr. Kashyap, listen to what he has to say.
14:09The people only see and understand
14:12what a television channel has shown
14:14or what a YouTuber has said.
14:16So, we said that the people should see our activity
14:20and then decide whether there is transparency in it or not.
14:25Whether there is transparency or not.
14:26He said this in the past.
14:28When there was live coverage of Supreme Court cases,
14:32at least of bench number one,
14:34even after that, he said that YouTubers
14:36go out and put up stories.
14:38What happened to you people?
14:39You were my dear YouTubers.
14:41I named these three or four people.
14:43You were the darling all that time.
14:46What happened to you guys?
14:47Look, we had only one hope.
14:50The three things that happened in the past,
14:53their tilt was towards PTI.
14:56So, we thought that if they come,
14:58they will show independence.
15:00They won't be pro-noon or pro-PTI.
15:03They won't be pro-establishment or anti-establishment.
15:06But unfortunately, when we saw
15:08the proceedings of the intraparty election,
15:12and the way it went,
15:13and the way the case hasn't been closed yet,
15:16we came to know that the case is being fixed.
15:19And on the weekday, at 11 PM,
15:22the electoral program came.
15:24So, we understood what the game was.
15:26And after that...
15:27What was the time when your view changed?
15:29On January 13th.
15:30On January 13th, and on the end of the six judges,
15:33the way they dealt with the sponsor.
15:35So, we came to know that,
15:36look, these six judges,
15:37how can you say that Babar Sattar is a PTI supporter?
15:41Or has he been in the past?
15:42Even Athar Manohar has said that he is not a PTI supporter.
15:45But what did you do with those judges?
15:47All you did was that you didn't give a single statement
15:52in support of those six judges, in their endorsement.
15:55And after that, the way the case was handled,
15:58I think that was one thing,
16:00that his entire year was spent on getting his two-thirds completed.
16:05And after two-thirds, when he completed it,
16:08then he...
16:09Mr. Kailash also stayed.
16:10Yes, he also stayed.
16:11He stayed.
16:13Everything else was done.
16:14Mr. Qazi stayed.
16:15He says that he is not interested,
16:17but the things are a little different.
16:20Whether he is interested or not.
16:22If you look at the first case,
16:23then it means that there was someone for whom he stayed.
16:26Look, the decision on July 12th was a reserve seat.
16:29Why is there so much anger on Mansoor Ali Shah?
16:31Anger is still being unleashed.
16:33The committee is dealing with the three judges.
16:35Just like Qazi Faiz is issuing his note.
16:37And the entire note is a charge sheet of Mansoor Ali Shah.
16:40And that note...
16:41The note that was issued yesterday
16:44is a charge sheet against Qazi Faiz.
16:46Look, that is...
16:47You are answering in Turkish,
16:49but in the notes you are...
16:50But there is a difference in this, sir.
16:52In Mr. Qazi's note.
16:54Mr. Qazi's note doesn't just raise objections.
16:58He says that this should not be implemented.
17:00This is...
17:02But he also talks about the aim,
17:04what the aim is saying.
17:06Okay, let me tell you this.
17:07You asked when was that moment
17:10when it was decided which way the wind was going to tilt.
17:13I think when he reached the assembly,
17:15when he was celebrating the 50th anniversary of the constitution.
17:18Okay.
17:19I think sitting in between Ishaq Dar and Khawaja Asif,
17:23I think, whoever it was.
17:24Mr. Zardari was sitting with him.
17:26Mr. Zardari?
17:27Mr. Zardari was on one side.
17:28Which judge?
17:29I don't know, neither in India, nor in the UK,
17:31nor anywhere, or in Pakistan.
17:33And then he...
17:34People sit in secret, not openly like this.
17:36Yes, they don't sit openly.
17:37I mean, I think a judge...
17:39By the way, he wanted to become the Chief Justice,
17:41but he hadn't become one yet.
17:43So, he went at that time.
17:44And he was the only judge.
17:46By the way, everyone was invited.
17:48Only he went.
17:50So, one, he shouldn't have gone.
17:51One, there should have been a symbolic gesture with the brother judges
17:54that, why am I going alone?
17:56You saw, in that case,
17:59the reserve seat case,
18:00the judge repeatedly said that this case
18:05is a case of intra-party elections.
18:07He didn't do it. I decided.
18:08Mr. Qazi never answered this question.
18:10But, sir, he also says that the Election Commission
18:12didn't interpret it properly.
18:14He also says that.
18:14You issued two clarifications in Mubarak Shani.
18:17You could have said that
18:18our decision is being misinterpreted.
18:21We have eliminated a party.
18:23That party is entitled.
18:24Elections are...
18:25It would have been such a big issue
18:26if the PDK had got all the reserve seats.
18:29If this interpretation was misinterpreted by the Election Commission,
18:31and he is also sitting quietly.
18:32So, all these consequences that you are seeing are because of him.
18:36No, Hassan, there is another point in that.
18:37He should have given clarifications.
18:39He should have put a flag of the party
18:40in front of Azad.
18:42He should have put a banner on his posters.
18:44It was said that all of you are free.
18:45Kashid did the biggest problem.
18:47Look, clarifications...
18:49It's not that he doesn't give clarifications.
18:51He got clarifications.
18:52The most important thing
18:55in any democracy is the electoral process.
18:57Its fairness.
18:58And especially when you are making decisions,
19:01because of your decisions,
19:02its interpretation is being misinterpreted.
19:04And you are seeing that its interpretation is being misinterpreted.
19:06And he let it go.
19:09On purpose.
19:10Later, in the decision of July, he said that it was a misinterpretation.
19:14Who got punished for that?
19:15The people of Pakistan got punished.
19:17You disenfranchised the people of Pakistan.
19:19You stole the mandate from the people of Pakistan.
19:22He is directly responsible.
19:24The Election Commission is there,
19:25but if this case was not in the Supreme Court,
19:29then it would have been another matter that why did you interfere?
19:32But because of your case, you are saying that the interpretation is wrong.
19:35But they say that why didn't the lawyers of the PTA come in this regard?
19:38Okay.
19:39They also have a lot of evidence.
19:42And why wasn't the intraparty election done before 8th February?
19:45There must be a lot of evidence.
19:46I am pretty sure everyone has a lot of evidence.
19:48I kept hearing in the Reserve Seat case,
19:51where their biggest argument was that
19:53this is an intraparty election.
19:54A case came in front of us.
19:55We decided on the merit of the case.
19:57Someone told me this.
19:58The decision was made at 11 o'clock at night.
20:00Someone told me this.
20:02When I spoke to him, I said,
20:03Sir, this is disenfranchised.
20:05Yes.
20:05He said, Sir, this is not possible.
20:07And the other parties didn't do it.
20:09You fined someone.
20:10You did this to someone.
20:11He said, Sir, this is not possible.
20:1210 people have committed murder.
20:13If there is a punishment at 11 o'clock,
20:14you say that it was not done on the first 10.
20:15So, leave that too.
20:15It was not murder.
20:16It was a very sacred thing.
20:18Now, from there, I am talking about a debate.
20:22So, from there, the debate came that, Sir,
20:24you can't bring both of them together.
20:26One is a crime against humanity.
20:28When you kill somebody.
20:30And one is that the election was not done.
20:32But 1 crore, 1.5 crore, 2 crore, 5 crore,
20:36all the people who want to vote for a political party,
20:39you give them a chance to choose their political party.
20:42The supremacy of the parliament,
20:43which Qazi Sahib keeps on mentioning,
20:45that is the basis of the parliament, the election.
20:48If the election is fair,
20:49then a fair parliament,
20:50the representative of the people will come to the parliament,
20:52who will then make a decision.
20:54So, that is a representative decision.
20:55That is why amendments are not acceptable
20:58because this is an assembly election.
21:01This is what Maulana Sahib says.
21:02Not Maulana Sahib, this is what everyone else says.
21:05I am saying it again and again,
21:06this is an assembly election,
21:07but Maulana Sahib used to say,
21:08this is a fake assembly, it has no power.
21:09Muneeb Sahib, was Qazi Sahib deceived in the end?
21:13What did you think 8 to 3 months ago?
21:14Would Qazi Sahib become the head of the Constitutional Court?
21:17Or did he think that something like this would happen?
21:20Were there any assurances?
21:21Or were there just talks in the market
21:24that Qazi Sahib would be maligned?
21:28No, I think Qazi Sahib...
21:30No, I think Qazi Sahib was aware
21:34that the government was going to make some amendments.
21:37And see, Qazi Faisal Sahib was very important for this system.
21:42And let me also tell you,
21:45that the way this has happened,
21:47because this is the first phase,
21:50there will be some developments in the coming days,
21:55after which you will see the 27th amendment,
21:59then maybe you will see the 28th as well.
22:00Eventually, maybe your Constitutional Benches
22:03will become the Constitutional Court at some stage.
22:06And you never...
22:07It is the Constitutional Court, right?
22:08Bro, it is the Constitutional Court, right?
22:10No, no, no.
22:11What's the difference?
22:12No, no, it's right here.
22:13That's my point.
22:14No, no, it has issues, right?
22:15It has issues, there will be some complications and issues.
22:20Because at the end of the day,
22:21it is under a superstructure, it is the Supreme Court.
22:24Under that, they have created a new division,
22:26they have created a bench.
22:27See, what happens in England?
22:29Even in England, in the British High Court,
22:31there is a King's Bench Division,
22:33there is a Chancellor's Division,
22:34and after that there is a Family Division.
22:36Those cases shift from one place to another.
22:38Here, they have created these benches.
22:41Now, to smoothen them,
22:43if this system works, then it is fair enough.
22:45If not, then in the future, they will do something for it.
22:48But one thing, Mr. Qazi Faisal,
22:53regarding him, I will definitely say that
22:55he was very important for the system.
22:58And he was very important.
23:01And he was aware of this.
23:02What is this system?
23:04And everyone was hoping that...
23:06Yes?
23:06Okay, don't answer. You start laughing.
23:08I was wondering what this system is.
23:09No, no, no.
23:10That man has already given him a question mark.
23:13No, no, no.
23:15Listen to me.
23:15No, no, sir, if you want to shut down the program,
23:18then it is a good thing.
23:19I will say it.
23:19No, no, not at all, ma'am.
23:21No, no, listen to me.
23:22Everyone knows what this system is.
23:25Yesterday, Mr. Wada said,
23:26our people, remember, are much wiser than us.
23:31The Pakistani nation is not a fool.
23:32Yes, that's fine, sir.
23:33We feel that they are fools.
23:35We feel that we have fooled them.
23:37No, sir.
23:38They have shown that they are a very wise nation.
23:42So, shall I take a break?
23:43After the break, we will talk more about this.
23:50Welcome back, Naseer.
23:51Yes, yes, Mr. Faridi.
23:52You are going to become the Chief Justice.
23:54Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah has passed away.
23:57Is there a rift in the Supreme Court, sir?
23:59I don't think so.
24:01Everyone is at least expressing their satisfaction
24:03that Qazi Faisal is going.
24:06And this is Mr. Faridi's good friendship with everyone.
24:09And it is expected that he will unite the judiciary.
24:13Thank you very much.
24:14Mr. Hasnath was with us.
24:15We were watching the case with him.
24:17I would like to add one thing, Mr. Zubair.
24:19This is not a question.
24:20But now we will move on to the next topic.
24:22Mr. Saad Afriq tweeted.
24:24Where he praised Qazi Faisal for becoming a part of history.
24:27He was talking about his ability and loyalty.
24:29He said that after becoming the Chief Justice,
24:32he could not forget this revengeful period.
24:34And he was angry at some of his decisions.
24:37So, he is looking at both sides, Mr. Saad Afriq.
24:41Tell me this.
24:43Bushra Bibi has been released.
24:45I would like to ask Muneeb about this.
24:47Quickly, what is your first reaction after seeing this?
24:52Was it bound to happen or is something happening?
24:53No, two things have happened.
24:55Not only the release of Bushra Bibi,
24:56but also the order of the judge of Islamabad High Court
24:58to produce Imran Khan.
25:00He met him.
25:01And he also said that he will produce him in the High Court.
25:04So, these are two events.
25:06This is too early to make a deal.
25:12It could be the natural course of events.
25:14Some things have started happening.
25:15Why was PTI soft in all this?
25:18It was soft.
25:19They did not play their cards well.
25:22They were with Maulana till the end.
25:26Even when Maulana was saying that PTI agrees,
25:30but they will not cast votes,
25:31Gauhar was nodding his head.
25:34So, I don't know what the background is behind this.
25:37You don't want to look too much into it.
25:39But Muneeb knows what is going on inside.
25:42Let's ask Muneeb about this.
25:44Will this affect politics?
25:46Do you think that...
25:49How do we translate this?
25:52This is a natural course of events.
25:55This is something that had to happen.
25:58You cannot keep a woman in jail for the rest of her life.
26:03Sir, two or three things.
26:04This decision was made a few days ago.
26:08In the beginning of this month,
26:11it was decided that Bushra Bibi will be released from jail
26:14in the third or fourth week of this month.
26:17You must have seen that one thing has worked.
26:20The crucial moment will come.
26:23The policy is not that Imran Khan will be shut down.
26:28When he is shut down,
26:30everybody starts running amok.
26:32They don't understand what is happening.
26:35And Gandhapur is part of the system now.
26:37Heavily compromised and very much in...
26:41I would say, they are dressed down
26:44if they are here and there or if their affairs are going well.
26:47He is going to stay there.
26:48And the government will continue to run the system.
26:51I consider Bushra Bibi's case to be positive.
26:55I am personally happy about it.
26:56A woman should not be kept in jail.
27:02But this decision was made in this month
27:06that she has to come out.
27:07Imran Khan was aware of this.
27:09It is decided that she has to come out.
27:11Why? The real question is
27:13that she has to come out because she is a woman.
27:15Imran Khan is in jail.
27:16He will be shut down whenever he wants to.
27:19He has to be controlled.
27:20Bibi does not have to be controlled.
27:22It has been a year and a half.
27:24Is this the way of thinking?
27:26Or is there more to it?
27:27No, there is more to it.
27:31This was one way of thinking.
27:32But let me add one more thing.
27:34There have been many developments in this month
27:37that have gone against the government.
27:39They have gone against the establishment.
27:41And things have happened in a small way.
27:44So, this thing...
27:47It is obvious who has delivered it and what they have done.
27:50It becomes very clear.
27:54But there have been some adjustments in this.
27:58And there is a dividend that Bibi has come out.
28:03Which I think is a very good thing.
28:05But I think that in politics,
28:08we try to take a certain angle.
28:11There must have been a deal.
28:13There is no need for a deal.
28:14As I said, there is a natural course of things.
28:18I want to talk about Mr. Mian.
28:20Yes, quickly.
28:23Let me just say this.
28:24If you look at the case,
28:26you don't have to investigate it.
28:29So, legally, you cannot keep him in jail.
28:31But, Mr. Kaif, if you want to keep him in jail,
28:33you can.
28:34We have the history of the last two years.
28:36So, we can keep him in jail.
28:37Forget about the natural course.
28:39There is nothing natural here.
28:41If he wanted to come out,
28:43and if he didn't want to come out,
28:44then he would have been bailed out from the Supreme Court.
28:46But he didn't want to come out.
28:47Muneeb said that the decision was made this month
28:50that Bushra Bibi has to be released.
28:53Which means that on the basis of justice,
28:56they didn't keep her in jail.
28:57Nor did they keep her out on the basis of justice.
28:59He is saying this openly.
29:00Yes, absolutely.
29:01I said that decisions are made here
29:03whether someone has to be kept in jail or thrown out.
29:06He said that you should not do this.
29:08So, you are telling us not to criticize.
29:11On what?
29:11You are saying that a great system of justice is going on.
29:15All the demands are being fulfilled.
29:17What are you saying?
29:17And see how great it is.
29:19In the last 30-35 minutes,
29:20have you heard your own conversation?
29:22Yes.
29:22If you haven't heard it,
29:23then go to the court at 1 o'clock at night
29:26and watch the program again.
29:27What were you saying about this system?
29:30About the decisions that were made in this?
29:31Then you will understand.
29:32I was not telling you to criticize.
29:34There is a reaction and shock.
29:36And it should be expressed.
29:38So that people also feel that
29:40this is the system.
29:41It is not based on justice.
29:44There is nothing wrong in it.
29:45It is our bad luck.
29:47That is why I said that when the decision is made…
29:49It is our bad luck.
29:50I can say this.
29:51And this is not a guardrail.
29:52Let's be honest about it.
29:54It has always been like this.
29:56You are right.
29:57But I never justify that it has always been like this.
30:02I will say one thing.
30:03People were not allowed to get bail.
30:05Once you get bail, you are not allowed to come out.
30:07I have seen it many times.
30:08I have seen it many times.
30:09I have heard it many times.
30:10And I have seen it many times in the courts.
30:11Let's set a new precedent.
30:13Quickly.
30:14In three sentences.
30:16Muneeb, because I want to say something about Mr. Mian.
30:20I just want to say this.
30:21Sir, look at this.
30:23It happens.
30:24One notch goes up.
30:25As soon as the system opens up.
30:28Look, this happened in this country.
30:29Rana Sanaullah, you, me and Mr. Zubair have a disagreement.
30:32You put heroin on a walking person.
30:35And it is a direct death penalty for him.
30:37This also happened in this country.
30:39You arrest someone from here and there.
30:41Today someone has given a statement.
30:43Arrest him.
30:43Arrest someone else.
30:44Arrest Shahid Khan Abbasi.
30:46Arrest Mifta Ismail.
30:48This also happened.
30:48Now his level has gone up.
30:50And let me tell you this.
30:51God knows.
30:52God knows.
30:53I don't know where the level will go after two years.
30:56Yes, because when you left something here.
30:59The next party came and took it further.
31:01But our party struggled to bring the level down.
31:04Let me also say that.
31:06That's why we didn't struggle to bring one notch up.
31:09Or not one, but ten notches up.
31:11So even when we sat inside and talked.
31:14It was completely different.
31:15That we don't want to do all this work.
31:17It was easy in the opposition.
31:18What do you do?
31:19I am telling you that I understood.
31:21The problem is that you are a fool.
31:22Who agrees.
31:23Yes, I understood.
31:24That wise man said.
31:25Yes, what is the way to put Zubair behind?
31:27He said, sir, put him on civil disobedience.
31:29Put him on civil supremacy.
31:31Mr. Zubair got hurt.
31:32He went and said, where is Wajana?
31:33He said, there is a wall in front.
31:35Mr. Zubair bumped into it.
31:37From there, he found out that there was a delay.
31:38And civil supremacy was lost.
31:42Now tell me, who will be the prime minister of the government?
31:46He lost.
31:46Yes, he lost the match.
31:48But he is trying to win.
31:49And he wins.
31:51Mr. Zubair, this is what happens in politics.
31:52You said that you are a fool.
31:53But tell me this quickly.
31:54Yes.
31:54Mr. Mian has only one vote left.
31:57Where is Nawaz Sharif?
31:59He has become irrelevant.
32:00He has sold the Kaini Transformation.
32:03We are still discussing the politics of PTI in Imran Khan's jail.
32:06Mr. Zubair has come out.
32:07What will happen?
32:07Are we meeting Imran Khan or not?
32:10The conversation is all there.
32:13Mr. Mian understood the system after 30-35 years.
32:16He understood it very clearly.
32:18In that, he knows whether I am relevant or not.
32:22His word is the final word.
32:25Make no mistake about it.
32:26Who will be the prime minister in PMLN?
32:29Who will be the foreign minister?
32:31He cannot say anything about the interior minister.
32:33But he can say something about the rest.
32:36He has a total say.
32:39He is right.
32:40He has a total say.
32:41And he is not just saying this.
32:44He has a total say.
32:45He does not have a total say.
32:46You have equaled his total.
32:48He has a total say.
32:49And he is not minding it.
32:52He is not thinking why he is not playing that role.
32:56He is largely semi-retired.
32:59He thinks that the system has been established.
33:02His daughter has become the chief minister.
33:04He wanted the future to be about his daughter.
33:08His brother is the prime minister.
33:10All the cases have been closed.
33:12His biggest rival is locked up.
33:14And there is no hope of him coming out.
33:16I think this is what this subject is about.
33:18Where is the daughter and where is the brother?
33:20I think the biggest challenge for Mr. Mian
33:25when he was making decisions in the last 6-8 months
33:28was how to deal with his rival.
33:31His rival was accepted.
33:34For whatever reason.
33:34I am asking you a question, Muneeb.
33:37He was accepted.
33:38You saw 8th February.
33:40He said, if the principle goes, then so be it.
33:45We are with him.
33:49Finish Imran Khan as long as we are with you.
33:53So it was a very easy choice.
33:55It was a very easy decision.
33:56It should not have been.
33:57It should have been a difficult decision.
33:58Our principles, democracy and respect for the vote.
34:02But it was, at the end of the day, a very easy decision.
34:04I think this decision was based on anger, Muneeb.
34:08Imran did this to me.
34:09Now I will do the same to him.
34:12Like we were talking about Qazi.
34:13Mr. Qazi, two or three things.
34:15I will say two or three things.
34:17First, keep in mind.
34:18Coming for the vote.
34:20Mr. Mian Nawaz is meeting someone.
34:23Mian Nawaz Sharif is a signatory.
34:26Principal signatory of this arrangement.
34:30Okay?
34:31He is one of the principal signatories of this system.
34:33And the other signatory.
34:35Mr. Bilawal.
34:36Asif Zardari.
34:37Bilawal. Asif Zardari.
34:38I say Mr. Zardari.
34:40Mr. Bilawal is the party chairman.
34:43Asif Zardari, who is the president of Pakistan now.
34:45These are two personalities who are the signatories of this system.
34:48The most important thing for Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif was that
34:52his daughter should become the Prime Minister of Punjab.
34:54She has become the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
34:58Let me tell you something else.
35:00You yourself have said numerous times
35:02that our principle is different in the opposition and in the government.
35:05But this whole thing that Mr. Zubair said
35:08that our struggle was that we will not let this happen again.
35:12This argument was also of a common man like me.
35:15That if this madness was happening before,
35:17then put an end to this.
35:19Now at least you go down this thing.
35:21People like me used to say,
35:23why are you wasting your intellectuals?
35:27What has happened to us,
35:29if the next one does it, we will move forward.
35:31Like I said, that anger...
35:32You tolerated the next one.
35:34Like Muneeb, I said...
35:35Anger prevails, sir.
35:36Exactly. Like we were talking about anger in the first part.
35:40Maybe it is important to mention that anger in this part as well.
35:43That it was anger on which Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif said
35:46that when will there be a level playing field?
35:48When he goes to jail, he will come.
35:49When all this will happen with him,
35:51cases will be filed against him.
35:52And his party will end, whatever he said.
35:54Earlier it was different.
35:55The two sides of the scale were equal.
35:57They were supposed to be equal.
35:57But then he said, no, it should be in his hands.
35:59Let's take a break, viewers.
36:00We will be back after the break.
36:05Welcome back, viewers.
36:06Before the break, we were talking about
36:08Mr. Mian's anger, maybe.
36:10Mario Nawaz's anger is inevitable.
36:12I can understand that it must have been said
36:14or the decision must have been made that he should go in.
36:17Destroy his party and we will come to power.
36:20So that he comes under us.
36:23But to what extent are you ready to compromise for him?
36:26This decision still has to be made by a leader
36:28and his political party.
36:30I think to the extent to which he has compromised,
36:33because of that, the democracy has also been damaged.
36:36Their claims and their party politics have also been damaged.
36:40With your permission, Allah Hafiz.