Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | Salman Akram Raja | Javed Latif | ARY News | 9th January 2025
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:23Today, another day has passed without a meeting between the government and the Tareeq-e-Insaf
00:28Negotiating Committee.
00:31Negotiations are not only taking place, but all kinds of negotiations are taking place.
00:35What does the government want?
00:37Will it continue like this?
00:39They also see a weakness in the attitude of Tareeq-e-Insaf because it seems that there
00:44is a growing desperation to negotiate.
00:47Is this impression really correct?
00:50Assalam-o-Alaikum, Raja Sahib.
00:51Secretary General of Pakistan, Tareeq-e-Insaf is present.
00:53Raja Sahib, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:54Yes, Walaikum-as-Salaam.
00:55Raja Sahib, tell us that your committee is not being allowed to meet.
00:59First of all, today, Sher Afzal Marwat Sahib, after meeting Imran Khan Sahib, said that
01:04regarding the negotiations, Imran Khan said that if you don't want to meet me, then
01:09there is no problem, you can have a third or fourth session.
01:13Is that a go-ahead from Imran Khan, saying that you don't want to meet me?
01:18No, look, I will not say anything on the matter of Sher Afzal Marwat.
01:23I don't think it is a matter of the party.
01:26Yesterday, I met Barrister Gauhar.
01:28What I spoke to him about is that we should have a third session.
01:32In that session, we should also give written demands.
01:35But at the same time, we should say that in that session, it should be accepted that the
01:40Judicial Commission, which is in power, should give written demands.
01:44If that doesn't happen, then we will not have a fourth session.
01:48This is what Barrister Gauhar told us yesterday.
01:51You said that there is desperation and that negotiations must be done.
01:55This is completely wrong.
01:57And I would like to tell you that every person who speaks, this is a very big party.
02:02Don't take it as an opinion of the party or Imran Khan Sahib.
02:06There are a few of us who have been in this position for a long time.
02:11These are a few people whom I would like to tell you that you should understand that
02:16they have the right to speak on behalf of Imran Khan Sahib or the party.
02:21I will follow what Barrister Gauhar said yesterday.
02:24That I understand.
02:25That I understand.
02:26Especially the Negotiating Committee, we usually meet them.
02:29We meet the people who meet Imran Khan Sahib.
02:32We take their view.
02:33I come to the matter of desperation.
02:35Why is there an impression?
02:38On the one hand, as we are seeing that the government…
02:44Let's decide this first, Mr. Salman and I.
02:46Do you think the government…
02:47Because I will tell you what Irfan Siddiqui Sahib said.
02:52First listen to this and you will understand better what the Government Committee must be thinking
02:57when there are no negotiations.
03:00These matters are seen by the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
03:02We all agreed on this.
03:05If we have decided to meet, then we should have done it by now.
03:11So that the matters move forward.
03:13There is no need to put a stop to it.
03:16The meeting should have been done by the relevant groups.
03:19It should not have been done like this.
03:20In your opinion, they are expressing their helplessness, Mr. Irfan Siddiqui.
03:24And when they say Ministry of Internal Affairs,
03:27you also know this, it means that it is Mohsin Naqvi Sahib.
03:29You also know what Mohsin Naqvi Sahib means.
03:31It means the groups that have to give a lot of permission.
03:35Establishment.
03:37Look, it is up to them.
03:39There is no desperation in this.
03:41Mr. Khan is absolutely clear.
03:43He says, no, these negotiations should not go on.
03:46They are not worried at all.
03:48They have no desire to come out.
03:50They have repeatedly said that wherever I am, that is fine.
03:53They are our friends.
03:54It is their right.
03:55They should have guarantees.
03:57Hundreds of people and some of our leaders are in jail.
04:01But Mr. Khan is not worried at all in his opinion.
04:06He knows that there are lawsuits against him.
04:09Whenever there will be a decision, especially of Al-Qadir Trust,
04:13then the humiliation in the world,
04:15maybe our system can tolerate it or not,
04:18but it will happen.
04:19You have put such a person in jail,
04:22against whom you have made a case of indictment,
04:24you have made a case of cipher,
04:26all those cases have been dismissed.
04:29Similarly, now you want to punish them in such a case
04:32where they believe that the government did not suffer a loss of money,
04:36they did not benefit from the money,
04:38but on the contrary, the money came to Pakistan,
04:40which may not come every year.
04:42There is no evidence that it was a proceed of crime.
04:45That money also came to Pakistan.
04:47It immediately went into the savings of Pakistan under Mubadala.
04:50And the equivalent of its money was in the account of the Supreme Court.
04:55It went to the government.
04:58So what is the case in which you will now put them in jail?
05:01So putting them in jail is now becoming difficult for the system.
05:04A burden is being placed on the system.
05:06And you will see that this thing will not work like this for a long time.
05:09There are no provisions in the country, there are no political provisions,
05:12there is no rule of law, there is no investment.
05:14In this country, what you are calling a system,
05:16in that country, the system decides.
05:18Do you remember the last case when the bail was done?
05:21There has been an arrest on the FIR of the Newtown police station.
05:24So in the last two months, three months,
05:26two months have passed since that arrest.
05:28Let me remind you a little more.
05:31Nine times there have been arrests under the MPO.
05:34The court used to give bail,
05:36and again the MPO was arrested.
05:38In the end, the judges of Islamabad High Court had to say
05:41that you do a press conference,
05:43we have no other way.
05:45So if the system wants to keep them in jail,
05:47there are 10,000 ways in this country.
05:49You know this too.
05:51You are right.
05:53But every system has this,
05:55and then one day that system flies away.
05:58Look, Mr. Khan is not at all concerned about this.
06:01He says that consciousness is increasing in the country.
06:04People can see what this system is.
06:06This is not a system at all.
06:08This is just a nonsense.
06:10So let this consciousness increase.
06:12Now for that consciousness,
06:14their politics is moving forward.
06:17This is a very bad thing for them.
06:20Their talk and their thinking
06:22has gone much further than this.
06:24So we have no desperation.
06:26We are very satisfied.
06:28We have responded to the people of Pakistan.
06:31The consciousness of the people of Pakistan,
06:34which is increasing,
06:36is a matter of pride and satisfaction
06:38for Mr. Khan and all of us.
06:40But the consciousness you are talking about,
06:42Mr. Salman,
06:44has been expressed by the people
06:46on February 8.
06:48You may not be able to see more consciousness
06:50in Pakistan than this.
06:52Despite these circumstances,
06:54despite the absence of election signs,
06:56despite the absence of the internet,
06:58people searched and voted.
07:00We have seen this sign of consciousness
07:02in this country.
07:04But that consciousness is not
07:06awakening any other consciousness.
07:08That consciousness is only of the public.
07:10I think it will change more
07:12People have spoken.
07:14Once people speak, then...
07:16But this does not happen in our country.
07:18I want to talk about desperation
07:20later.
07:22You said yesterday that
07:24Mr. Imran Khan told Mr. Gauhar
07:26to talk.
07:28Have you communicated to the government
07:30that we are ready to talk?
07:34Yes, of course.
07:36Our parliament members
07:38meet the Speaker
07:40and talk to him.
07:42The Speaker is doing
07:44the host of all this.
07:46He has raised his hand.
07:48The Speaker has raised his hand.
07:50No, he has not raised his hand,
07:52but he knows our position.
07:54He knows where we stand.
07:56We are not in a hurry.
07:58We are not in desperation.
08:00We are standing in our place with confidence.
08:02He knows.
08:04No one can say that
08:06the Justice Movement does not talk
08:08to the people of our country.
08:10We have proved it.
08:14You have not told the government
08:16that we are ready
08:18for the next session.
08:20Did you get an answer?
08:22Yes, that's right.
08:26No, I did not get any answer.
08:28But the clip you played
08:30of Irfan Siddiqui,
08:32I heard some desperation.
08:34Now the government
08:36and its supporters
08:38have to decide
08:40what to do next.
08:42We are standing in our place.
08:44The people of Pakistan are standing.
08:46But your economy is solid.
08:48The Minister of Treasury says
08:50that there will be 0% growth.
08:52We cannot bear the burden
08:54of more growth.
08:56Because our current account
08:58will come out.
09:00Then our money will be devalued.
09:02Millions of young people
09:04come to the job market.
09:06They need jobs.
09:08But you are saying
09:10that we will not create jobs for you.
09:12There is no investment in this country.
09:14There is no investment in this country.
09:16If there is no investment,
09:18we will run the Dons.
09:20We will spread the flags of law.
09:22This will not work.
09:24I will bring you back
09:26to the big news you have given us.
09:28You have given us a big news.
09:30And the government
09:32is not answering you.
10:00Mr. Imran Khan gave us
10:02his signature two days ago.
10:04There is no answer on these names.
10:06We are waiting.
10:08Please translate this.
10:10You are saying that
10:12the situation is very interesting.
10:14You are saying that let us talk.
10:16We are ready to talk in that room.
10:18You are saying that
10:20Mr. Imran Khan said
10:22to have a meeting.
10:24But the government is not answering.
10:26Please translate this.
10:28Now it seems
10:30that the silence
10:32has come from there.
10:34We are enjoying it.
10:36We are saying that
10:38if not like this, then like this.
10:40You do not have a meeting
10:42which is unmonitored,
10:44in an open environment.
10:46So have a normal meeting
10:48which is in a closed room.
10:50They did not do that today.
10:52We did not get any answer for that today.
10:54Why?
10:56Mr. Salman, you have to understand
10:58the situation.
11:00You are wearing a political hat.
11:02Why didn't the new government,
11:04the government which used to
11:06come and talk to us,
11:08today you are saying
11:10that there is no need
11:12to meet Mr. Imran Khan.
11:14We are ready to have the next meeting.
11:16Mr. Khan has given permission.
11:18You have sent the message.
11:20Why isn't the government
11:22giving you a positive answer?
11:24There is no need for that.
11:26But even if they don't,
11:28we are ready to move forward.
11:30It seems to me that
11:32on the other hand,
11:34you are saying that
11:36there is no permission.
11:38What do they think?
11:40I do not look for a lot of
11:42depth in this.
11:44My experience is that
11:46the decisions made in the
11:48last two and a half years
11:50are very childish.
11:52They are made in anger.
11:54They are made based on ego.
11:56They are made based on
11:58thinking.
12:00So whatever decision
12:02they make,
12:04we are very satisfied with it.
12:06Did Mr. Marwat
12:08from your party
12:10tell you the reason
12:12for not answering him?
12:14He said that maybe it was
12:16because of Imran Khan's
12:18tweet in which
12:20Khwaja Asif said
12:22this.
12:24Let's listen to Khwaja Asif.
12:26Do you agree with him?
12:28Khwaja Asif has given
12:30the impression that
12:32the tweet will not
12:34lead to a positive outcome.
12:36Listen to what he says.
12:38After the tweet,
12:40for the time being,
12:42there may not be
12:44any constructive dialogue.
12:46If these discussions are cut,
12:48if these hot and cold
12:50discussions are cut,
12:52if these constructive
12:54discussions are cut,
12:56and if there is a
12:58scuttle,
13:00do you think that
13:02this tweet will
13:04lead to a positive outcome?
13:06Let me tell you that
13:08when Imran Khan's tweet came,
13:10five days had passed
13:12after our second session
13:14on 2nd January.
13:16The action was stopped
13:18because of his tweet.
13:20The second thing is that
13:22Khwaja Asif's statement
13:24is not after this tweet.
13:26He has been against
13:28discussions since the beginning.
13:30You can clearly see that
13:32there are two opinions
13:34in the Muslim League Moon.
13:36One is the opinion
13:38expressed by Khwaja Asif
13:40that there is no need
13:42for meetings and discussions.
13:44If there are supporters behind us,
13:46then keep doing what you are doing.
13:48The second opinion,
13:50which is a very good one,
13:52which I am aware of,
13:54is that the PMLN
13:56political space
13:58for every Jamaat
14:00in this country
14:02has ended.
14:04The PMLN acknowledges this.
14:06This is correct.
14:08They are not bothered by this.
14:10They hate you
14:12but they acknowledge
14:14that we are cutting
14:16the branch
14:18on which we politicians are sitting.
14:20Absolutely.
14:22Unfortunately,
14:24Khwaja Asif is not
14:26a part of that group.
14:28Those who support him
14:30want this matter
14:32to move forward.
14:34I think this is a discussion
14:36within the PMLN.
14:38We should hope that
14:40the PMLN ends
14:42and moves forward.
14:44We should promote democracy,
14:46human rights and decency
14:48in this country
14:50and put our role
14:52in all the political forces.
14:54But we will not accept
14:56a moment of indifference
14:58on 26th November.
15:00We will not support
15:02the martyrs,
15:04the families of the martyrs
15:06and the injured.
15:08We will not support
15:10a moment of indifference
15:12on 26th November.
15:14We will not support
15:16a moment of indifference
15:18on 26th November.
15:20We will not support
15:22a moment of indifference
15:24on 26th November.
15:26We will not support
15:28a moment of indifference
15:30on 26th November.
15:32We will not support
15:34a moment of indifference
15:36on 26th November.
16:06Mr. Siddiqui said that
16:08we should have met
16:10and committed.
16:12You have seen
16:14the helplessness.
16:16Mr. Khadija said
16:18that the negotiations
16:20will not be strong.
16:22All the indications
16:24and your message
16:26to the government
16:28that we want to negotiate
16:30and not to answer
16:32the government
16:34is not saying
16:36that all is not well.
16:38Maybe they don't know
16:40what to do by negotiating.
16:44It is possible.
16:46It is said that one week
16:48is a long time in politics.
16:50We don't know what will happen
16:52next week.
16:54As I said,
16:56thinking does not change
16:58in a deep way.
17:00We will see what the situation is.
17:02However,
17:04Mr. Khan is clear
17:06that he will not
17:08compromise.
17:10He will not do anything
17:12that will prevent
17:14political and democratic
17:16action in Pakistan.
17:18He will not accept
17:20any house arrest.
17:22He will not accept
17:24any house arrest.
17:26He will not accept
17:28any house arrest.
17:30Will you tell the government
17:32that there is no demand
17:34or lack of demand?
17:36Will you tell the government
17:38that there is no demand
17:40or lack of demand?
17:42Will you tell the government
17:44that there is no demand
17:46or lack of demand?
17:48Will you tell the government
17:50that there is no demand
17:52or lack of demand?
17:54Will you tell the government
17:56that there is no demand
17:58or lack of demand?
18:28Will you tell the government
18:30that there is no demand
18:32or lack of demand?
18:58Will you tell the government
19:00that there is no demand
19:02or lack of demand?
19:04Will you tell the government
19:06that there is no demand
19:08or lack of demand?
19:28Will you tell the government
19:30that there is no demand
19:32or lack of demand?
19:34Will you tell the government
19:36that there is no demand
19:38or lack of demand?
19:40Will you tell the government
19:42that there is no demand
19:44or lack of demand?
19:46Will you tell the government
19:48that there is no demand
19:50or lack of demand?
19:52Will you tell the government
19:54that there is no demand
19:56or lack of demand?
20:26Will you tell the government
20:28that there is no demand
20:30or lack of demand?
20:32Will you tell the government
20:34that there is no demand
20:36or lack of demand?
20:38Will you tell the government
20:40that there is no demand
20:42or lack of demand?
20:56Will you tell the government
20:58that there is no demand
21:00or lack of demand?
21:26Thank you very much.
21:28Salman Khan was with us
21:30today.
21:32He told us two very important
21:34things today.
21:36He said that this process
21:38of waiting is not never-ending.
21:40It is possible that in a few days
21:42if they do not contact us,
21:44then this process of negotiations
21:46will end.
21:48Secondly, he also said that
21:50because Imran Khan had given
21:52permission to negotiate,
21:54but the committee did not meet
21:56Imran Khan.
21:58We informed the government
22:00but the government did not
22:02respond.
22:04The government has not
22:06called us for negotiations.
22:08Let's take a break.
22:10We will be back after the break.
22:16Welcome back.
22:18We have with us
22:20Mian Javed Latif.
22:22He is close to Mr. Mian.
22:24He talks a little
22:26away from the party line.
22:28But yesterday I saw
22:30that Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif
22:32has decided to
22:34get involved in politics again.
22:36If we can broadcast this
22:38on the TV screen.
22:40We met with Mr. Mian
22:42and he has decided
22:44to start a political campaign.
22:46What does this mean?
22:48What is Mr. Mian going to do?
22:50Do you know
22:52that Mr. Mian is getting involved?
22:56Mr. Kashif,
22:58when someone
23:00talks about politics,
23:02I am a little surprised.
23:04A politician
23:06is always involved
23:08until he
23:10announces
23:12his retirement.
23:14This announcement
23:16was not made.
23:18Mr. Kashif,
23:20we see many politicians
23:22and non-politicians.
23:24You are defending Mr. Mian
23:26and you know
23:28that people from your party
23:30have not met Mr. Mian for years.
23:32They don't meet anyone.
23:34They meet but don't talk about politics.
23:38Mr. Kashif,
23:40you are right.
23:42I am sure
23:44that every party
23:46worker, party leader
23:48and party member
23:50wants to meet
23:52Mr. Mian
23:54and seek his guidance.
23:56This is a loss
23:58that is being felt.
24:00This is a gap
24:02in a party
24:04that has been formed
24:06for at least a year.
24:08I have already
24:10mentioned CWC.
24:12Today,
24:14I request you
24:16to hold
24:18the first meeting
24:20of CWC.
24:22Everyone
24:24should be able
24:26to express
24:28their views
24:30and seek guidance.
24:32I will not
24:34complain
24:36but you have to
24:38convey this message
24:40to your leaders
24:42and invite them
24:44to meet people.
24:46Party members
24:48take confidence
24:50from their leaders
24:52and the members
24:54are motivated
24:56to meet their leaders.
24:58But you have to
25:00rely on the TV screen
25:02to convey your views.
25:04Isn't it a pity
25:06for the political parties?
25:08There are times
25:10in political parties
25:12when silence
25:14can be
25:16a pretext
25:18for a
25:20major presidential election.
25:24What is a presidential election?
25:26You have your own government
25:28in Punjab.
25:30Against whom
25:32can you make a pretext?
25:34Silence is a
25:36pretext for a storm.
25:38If there is a storm,
25:40against whom will you make a pretext?
25:42Will you start speaking the truth?
25:44Kashif...
25:46I am talking about the truth
25:48that you always
25:50talk about.
25:52You should speak the truth.
25:54Talk about the truth.
25:56The truth is
25:58that in Pakistan
26:00there was a
26:02limited
26:04intervention.
26:06Sometimes
26:08the state's
26:10intervention
26:12was more than the international
26:14establishment.
26:16A small portion
26:18of the political parties
26:20or the government
26:22had civilians.
26:24But
26:26it is true
26:28that not only
26:30the political parties
26:32but also
26:34the role of the establishment
26:36is getting limited.
26:38The role of the international
26:40forces is increasing.
26:42One second.
26:44Let's break it down.
26:46The role of the political parties
26:48is getting limited because
26:50you have decided to run
26:52a hybrid system.
26:54You have given your problems
26:56to someone else.
26:58You will deal with the opposition.
27:00You can put them in jail.
27:02You can do whatever you want.
27:04Your role will get limited.
27:06Do you remember
27:08in 2013, the government
27:10had a competition with the establishment?
27:12After 2018, the system
27:14has changed.
27:16Your role will get limited.
27:18No, Kashif.
27:20I think
27:22what you were saying
27:24that we should speak the truth.
27:26I think we demand
27:28that
27:30the other person should speak the truth.
27:32I may not lie
27:34but I should not speak the whole truth.
27:36The way we have
27:38used the system
27:40is also a reason for
27:42the destruction of the system.
27:44As you can see,
27:46Kashif Abbasi knows
27:48a lot more than me
27:50about the facts.
27:52But Kashif Abbasi
27:54may not know
27:56or may not speak
27:58the truth
28:00according to his wish.
28:02But he wants to hear
28:04from others.
28:06I would like to repeat
28:08what I said.
28:10I said that since 2018,
28:12we have introduced a hybrid system.
28:14The role of politicians is limited.
28:16Both the parties
28:18did the same.
28:20I spoke about 2018.
28:22I spoke the truth
28:24and I cut my own legs.
28:30You spoke the truth.
28:32I will not go back.
28:34But I will start from
28:36where you spoke the truth.
28:38I did not say this before.
28:42I have accepted
28:44that I started from 2018.
28:46There is a long history behind it.
28:48But I will leave it
28:50because we will go way back.
28:52I don't want to go back
28:54because we left it in 2019.
28:56We don't usually talk about 2019.
28:58There was a competition
29:00between 8-13 People's Party
29:02and 13-18 Nawaz Sharif.
29:04The situation changed after 2018
29:06when the hybrid system was introduced.
29:10Let's come to this.
29:12I would like to say that
29:14when a page was created in 2018
29:16and it was discussed
29:18that we are all on the same page.
29:20However,
29:22it was not a page in 2018.
29:24It was a page in 2014.
29:26In 2014,
29:28a protest was held
29:30and decisions were taken.
29:32In 2017,
29:34it came to an end.
29:36In 2018,
29:38it was given
29:40a definitive form
29:42that they were removed
29:44and brought back.
29:46When you talk about
29:482018,
29:50I expect that
29:52you will see
29:54what role Adliya played
29:56in 2018.
29:58We will go way back.
30:00I would like to remind you
30:02a little bit more.
30:04You are 100% right.
30:06Please listen to me.
30:08Please listen to me.
30:10Please listen to me.
30:12Nawaz Sharif wore a black coat
30:14and went to Memo Gate.
30:16You are going way back.
30:18I will also go way back.
30:20One second.
30:22One second.
30:24Kashyap...
30:26Kashyap Abbasi...
30:28What are you saying?
30:30At that time, it was your court.
30:32You used to play with them.
30:34You used to go to the courts.
30:36This is the whole truth.
30:38Please listen to me.
30:40One second.
30:42I will also tell you the whole truth.
30:44Kashyap Abbasi,
30:46you are a guest.
30:48I am your guest.
30:50But you should
30:52keep justice.
30:54You should give equal opportunity
30:56to others.
30:58You have gone way back
31:00from 2014.
31:02I would like to remind you
31:04that in 1998,
31:06when Nawaz Sharif did
31:08the atomic experiment,
31:10there was no charge of corruption.
31:12The Supreme Court did not take
31:14any step against the law.
31:16The Supreme Court did not take
31:18any step against the law.
31:20This is not the issue.
31:22This is the problem.
31:24One second.
31:26One second.
31:28One second.
31:30At that time,
31:32Imran Khan and
31:34Tahirul Qadri were launched.
31:36They put a banner
31:38all over Pakistan
31:40and said that
31:42there was no mention of
31:44Martial Law.
31:46There was no mention of
31:48atomic experiment.
31:50But to please the international
31:52forces and the demands
31:54of the local forces,
31:56they were launched.
31:58Sir, when your government
32:00was launched in 1993,
32:02what were they doing
32:04on the charges of corruption?
32:06One second.
32:08In 1993,
32:10when our government
32:12ended in the name of corruption,
32:14even after that,
32:16in 1997,
32:18our government was formed.
32:20But you were able to prove
32:22a handful of corruption.
32:24Then you launched Martial Law.
32:26Provez Musharraf came.
32:28You were able to prove
32:30a handful of corruption.
32:32One second.
32:34One second.
32:36One second.
32:38One second.
32:40One second.
32:42Then you
32:44brainwashed people
32:46through social media
32:48by investing billions of rupees
32:50and using the resources
32:52of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government
32:54to prove that these thieves
32:56are robbers.
32:58But neither were they proven thieves
33:00nor were they proven robbers
33:02nor were they proven traitors.
33:04You brainwashed
33:06people through social media
33:08by investing billions of rupees
33:10and using the resources
33:12of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government
33:14to prove that these thieves
33:16are robbers.
33:18This was one of the
33:20reasons your government
33:22was able to prove
33:24a handful of corruption.
33:26One second.
33:28One second.
33:30One second.
33:32Beta kahta hai mai karai pe rahta hoon, koi kahta hai mai yah pe jaydaad koi nahi,
33:36Teeja kahta hai ji malhamdulillah maine 2006 mein kharidi, phir aap chale gaye 60 mein.
33:40Sir isi liye yeh ilzaam lagte hain, ki kawas kam jawaab koi de.
33:43Lekin aap baad peeshe chale gaye hain, aap bada waqt zaya kar chuke hain.
33:46Main Kashif Abbasi saab.
33:47Maine Panama baad kar liya sir, aap nahi karna chahata hain. Aage chale hain sir.
33:50Ek second, yaar aap saari baat apni kar lete hain,
33:53doosre, aap jitna chahein jo ilzaam lagana chahate hain,
33:57Jo log baat karna chahate hain, aap karein, lekin doosre ko bhi maukha de.
34:00Main ab aapko ek guzarish karta hoon.
34:02Jo aap kehte hain, ki fard-e-jurum aayid honi thi, toh Prime Minister ban gaye.
34:07Main yeh kehta hoon, isko koi nahi maanta, meri Jamaat ka banda bhi.
34:11Aur shayad aap bhi nahi maante.
34:13Magar main haqeeqat beyaan karunga.
34:15Main samayta hoon, ki by design,
34:18Hume gher ghar ke wo adme itmaad karwaya gaya.
34:23Aur uske peechhe bhi bahut si cheezein kar farmaa thi,
34:29jo ek ek cheeze karke aap sabit ho rahi hain.
34:31Hum kehte the, yeh suhulatkaari hain.
34:33Aur war suhulatkaari, jab Adara ke andar baghawat ki shakal mein samne aayi,
34:38toh Adara ko pata chala,
34:40ke khud-e-tasabi ka amal bhi hota hai Adara ke andar.
34:44Khud-e-tasabi ki gayi.
34:46Phir, phir ek second.
34:47Phir aaj, aaj mujhe yeh bhi kehne ki ijazat deyin,
34:51ki kya doosra Adara, jo taakatwar Adara tha,
34:54jo ek page tha,
34:55jab wo ek page phata,
34:57toh aaj tak ek page phata hua nahi hain.
34:59Aaj mujhe kaha jaata hai,
35:01ke aaj bhi ek page hain.
35:02Aaj bhi ek page nahi hain.
35:04Aaj wo page phata hua hain,
35:07ek Adara kuch keh rahe hain,
35:08doosra Adara kuch keh rahe hain.
35:10Aur teesra,
35:11aap hukummat-e-waqt ko moord-e-alzaam jab thairate hain,
35:15toh inka toh bhai kasoor isliye kuch nahi,
35:18ke aat February ko jo nataaj aapne bana ke diye,
35:21usme toh meri Jamaat ki aksariyat nahi thi,
35:24aur meri Jamaat ki agar aksariyat nahi thi,
35:27toh main jo deliver kar para hu,
35:29jitna kar para hu,
35:31aap mera hisaar,
35:33mera hisaar mataba talaash kar rahe hain.
35:49Main aapki,
35:50mere bhai,
35:51mere bhai,
35:52mere bhai,
35:53sabar thoda sa.
35:54Main aapki ye bhi baat maan leta hu,
35:56ke chauthay number se utha ke,
35:58aapko pehle number pe leya hain.
36:00Toh mujhe ye batayen,
36:01ke kya Khyber Pakhtunkhwa me,
36:04jo ek number pe aane wale the,
36:07kya unko yahan se chauthay number wale ko
36:09ek number pe laya jaa sakta hain,
36:11unko pehle se doosre pe nahi le jaya jaa sakta hain?
36:13Kiya la Peshawar utha ke dekh le?
36:15Pick and choose hua hain.
36:16Pick and choose hua hain.
36:20Ke yahan isko bithana hain,
36:21yahan isko bithana hain.
36:23Aur ye bhi ek waqt sabat karega,
36:26ke jo aap jis regime ki,
36:28majooda regime ki baat kar rahe hain,
36:29unme se bhi bahose log,
36:32Faiz yaab the,
36:33General Faiz Hamid ke.
36:35Aur wo Faiz yaab the,
36:37toh unhone pick and choose uski khaish ke matabak kiya.
36:40Main aaj bhi kehta hu,
36:41ke 8th February ke natayaj banane me,
36:43Faiz Hamid ka bhi role tha ek.
36:45Yeh bataye sir,
36:468th February ko kitni dhandli hui?
36:50Sir, 8th February ko,
36:52jab election ke natayaj,
36:54woh jab fase hain jaa ke,
36:56aur aapki party ko,
36:57teethye number te aa rahi thi jis time,
37:01toh phir uswakt rokha gaya natayaj ko,
37:03kitni badi dhandli hui waise 8th February ke election mein?
37:05Yeh bataye.
37:08Acha mujhe ye bhi kehne ki ijaz de,
37:10mujhe rokhna nahi hain aapne,
37:12mujhe ek minute deyen hain zara.
37:14Main aapko yeh batata hu,
37:16ke agar aap yeh kehte hain,
37:18aur aapse maine suna bhi hain,
37:20jis tarah bhi aap keh rahe hain,
37:22ki aapko 3rd, 4th number se uthaake,
37:24pehle number pe le aaye,
37:26mujhe yeh bataye,
37:28ke Nawaz Sharif ke naam pe vote pade,
37:30aur Nawaz Sharif ke neeche MPA jo jeete,
37:32unke matallak koi form 47 ki pehda baar na kaha jaye,
37:34aur Nawaz Sharif jis ke naam pe,
37:36wo neeche MPA jeet rahe hain,
37:38unki jeet mashkook nahi hain.
37:40Nawaz Sharif ki jeet,
37:42Nawaz Sharif ki jeet,
37:44wo mashkook bana di jaye,
37:46yehi thi General Faiz Ameed ki baakiyaat,
37:48jo Lahore mein bhi baithi hui thi,
37:50aur maine kayi dafaa unka tazkira bhi kiya.
37:52Sir, ek kaam kar de,
37:54Mian sahib ek kaam kar de,
37:56Mian Javed Latim sahib ek kaam kar de,
37:58ek kaam kar de,
38:00waise aap har cheez ka zimma unke pe daalte,
38:02apna jawab wo deyenge,
38:04aur agar nahi deyenge,
38:06toh humein unhanu 20 aal kaid andar kar de.
38:08Mera sirf ek sawal hain,
38:10toh humein lagta hai ki Imran Nawaz Sharif ki jeet
38:12ko mutnaaza banaya ja rahe hain,
38:14banaye ek azad commission,
38:16kahein sirf ek halka kholenge,
38:18ANA 131,
38:20azad commission banein,
38:22aur uska audit karein,
38:24aur Mian sahib ko surkh rooh karein,
38:26chalein faisla karein,
38:28aapki hukumat bhi hai.
38:30Acha ek second,
38:32fir Nawaz Sharif ke dono halkon ka commission banein,
38:34number one,
38:36jahan se harwaya gaya,
38:38number two,
38:40mujhe yeh batayein ke kya,
38:42mera halka Pakistan se bahar ka hai,
38:44mere halka ka kyun nahi aap audit karuate,
38:46apna bhi gaal ho,
38:48aapki hukumat hai sir,
38:50yahan bhi commission banna chahiye,
38:52aap yeh kyun nahi kahte,
38:54ke Khyber Pakhtunkhwa hukumat,
38:56jo banayi gayi hai,
38:58milkul karein sir,
39:00maine kab ka ke na karein,
39:02aaj ek faisla kar lein,
39:04aap kahe ke aaj poore Pakistan me,
39:06har halka audit hoga,
39:08mere bhai, ek second,
39:10Maulana Fazul Rehman sahab ko,
39:12aap unka itihadi aaj bhi samayte hain,
39:14agar samayte aaj nahi hain,
39:16toh kamaskam 10 din pehle toh aap samayte the,
39:18jin se jaake PTI ne mazard ki,
39:20kya unhone yeh baat nahi kahi,
39:22ke Farm 47 ki pehdawaar
39:24Khyber Pakhtunkhwa hukumat,
39:26usko aap koftane ke liye tayyar nahi hain,
39:28isliye ke PTI ke khalaab ho baat jati hai,
39:30sir, aap ek kaam karein,
39:32yeh retired judge na lagayen,
39:34sitting judge ko kahein ke aap,
39:36chaar mehne ke andar,
39:38har halka jisme,
39:40tribunal mein gayein log,
39:42sitting judge high court ka,
39:44audit kar de hain halka ka,
39:46bhaag kaun raha hai,
39:48aap log bhaag rahein hain,
39:50aap takdo yeh karte hain kanoon,
39:52aap retired judge lagate hain,
39:54aapko yeh khaish hain,
39:56ke 5 saal isi tarah nikal jate hain,
39:58aap yeh grantee de rahein hain,
40:00agar aap grantee de den,
40:03aap bhi grantee den,
40:05wo bhi is cheez pe raazi ho jayenge,
40:07number one,
40:09aap jo 2-3 log khatoot likhne wale hain,
40:11kya unhi ka naam denge,
40:13jo hazard service hain,
40:15number one,
40:17high court ke judge sir,
40:19kisi pe aapko itmaad nahi hain,
40:21aur agar unke ilawa bhi itmaad hain,
40:23ek second yaar,
40:25aap baat makamal hone ne deyenge,
40:27sir mujhe khatam,
40:29mujhe break lene ka kaaj raha hai,
40:31break ke baad,
40:33sir main na,
40:35main supreme court ke judges ki baat nahi kaha raha hain,
40:37main high court ke judges ki baat kaha raha hain,
40:39kisi ki naam,
40:41na aap jaanti hain,
40:43na main jaanti hoon,
40:45high court ke bhi,
40:47break ke baad sir,
40:49break ke baad,
40:51ek break lete naazim,
40:53ek break lete naazim,
40:55break ke baad happu saath hain,
40:57ek break lete naazim,
40:59decision-making. All MNAs and MPAs should ask for Bihari Alphi and Form 45.
41:06Decide on the entire Pakistan.
41:12You are absolutely right. The commission should be made in 2018 and 2024.
41:18And all the role that the judiciary played at that time, or the role that the establishment played at that time,
41:26or the role that the government played at that time, or the role that the international powers played at that time,
41:31or the role that the government played at that time, or the role that the international powers played at that time,
41:36should be made public.
41:39Thank you very much, Mr. Javed Lateef.
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