Law & Order UK Season 5 Episode 4 Tick Tock
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00:00Prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.
00:09Right, they both ran through from the bar in this direction.
00:12He was six foot, she was five foot five.
00:20Boy, hang on a minute. Where do you think you're going?
00:22There's blood everywhere here.
00:24You don't want your great big plates of meat trampling through it.
00:26Go round the other way, please. Use the other door.
00:28Alan? Yeah?
00:30There's evidence needs photographing here before we lose it.
00:33Can you get that done for me?
00:34I'll do it. Thank you.
00:36I'm sorry, mate, are you the same?
00:38Uh, yeah. Wearing masks, latex.
00:41He was either Tony Blair or David Cameron.
00:43Witness couldn't tell the difference.
00:45She was, um, Maggie Thatcher.
00:47Yeah, it's no mistaking her, that's for sure.
00:50Right, Joy, what have you got?
00:52Four bullet wounds, two at close range.
00:55From the angle of entry, I'd say the one to the head was first,
00:59and the rest are just making sure.
01:01Why are you sure? Do you have to go?
01:04There's our goth girl doing.
01:07She's not. Time of death, 2.39.
01:11It's like the okay corral in here, what's happened?
01:16Excuse me, DS Brooks.
01:18Yeah, wait there, please, thank you.
01:20There's another line in here.
01:21Yes, sir. I'm going out.
01:23I'm, I'm, I'm the cleaner.
01:25Mr. Barnes.
01:27Stuart Barnes.
01:28Did you see everything, Mr. Barnes?
01:30No, I, I got here for my shift.
01:32Let's not look at all this then.
01:33Oh, I went to talk to Helen like I always do.
01:36And Helen is?
01:38Helen Shane, the manager.
01:40Right.
01:41I always start in her office.
01:42I've changed the water for her flowers.
01:44That's where I've been.
01:45I heard the gunshots, so I stayed there.
01:47Right.
01:48I didn't know what else to do.
01:49Right, so where is this Helen Shane now, Mr. Barnes?
01:52This is her handbag.
01:53I found it outside the toilet.
01:56The strap's torn.
01:58And now I can't find her.
02:00I, I, I heard the gunshots.
02:02I was terrified.
02:03If I hadn't eaten in the office, I couldn't.
02:05Mr. Barnes, you did exactly the right thing.
02:07We need you to calm down right now and talk to one of our officers.
02:10That's okay.
02:11Uh, Julie.
02:12Yeah, definitely.
02:13Julie, will you take Mr. Barnes's description of Helen Shane, please,
02:17and get it back to me as soon as you can.
02:20Alright, we may have a hostage situation.
02:21I think she could be a real gun.
02:23Oh my God.
02:24Thank you very much.
02:25Take it easy.
02:30Right, we've got to end this before somebody else gets hurt.
02:33Too late.
02:34Neighbourhood office.
02:35Guy and a girl wearing masks just shot the owner dead.
02:51I you.
02:52Oh my God.
02:53Yeah.
02:54I'm sorry.
02:55I'm sorry.
03:02You're just going to be okay.
03:04I'm sorry.
03:06You're not a girl, you're not a girl.
03:08I'm sorry.
03:09You're not a girl.
03:10Can I call you?
03:11I'm sorry.
03:12I'm sorry.
03:13I'm sorry.
03:15You're a girl.
03:16I'm sorry.
03:17You're a girl.
03:18I'm sorry.
03:19so fast and at the same time seemed to be happening in slow motion
03:39right and there was just two of them
03:41a bloke well built i guess skinny girl nothing to her at all
03:45are you sure there wasn't another woman
03:47helen shane 30s short brown hair tattoo on the back of her neck
03:53she might have been in the car they left in a silver car
03:57did you catch the make citron or up in persia
04:00thank you uh the uniformed officer will escort you
04:04sir two hits to the chest point blank what a mess
04:10well i'll uh add the silver car to the old description
04:15but why would they shoot him i mean the tools haven't been broken in it
04:20well let's hope that's not a fake
04:22three bodies in 30 minutes i need a risk assessment from a co19 unit as soon as
04:34okay and boys give me something in the next couple of hours
04:51i've got the media already setting up camp outside and callaghan wanted me to do a press conference at
04:57seven for breakfast news labs doing blood analysis from the nightclub
05:01and soccer dusting for prints at the office
05:04yeah no one's turned up at helen shane's flat uniform of air
05:07can't say anybody does fingers crossed she's still alive
05:10look at the way she's holding that gun
05:15the recoil from that would knock her arm into her face if she fired that
05:20love nightclub only's just arrived i've put him in one of the interview rooms
05:25it's helen shane's brother
05:27she's my twin not um
05:33uh identical
05:37looking for her
05:39there's any reason why someone would target her specifically
05:42no she got on with everyone
05:45and she manages the clavier
05:48yeah we set up business together about 10 years ago
05:51can't believe we're still helping to be honest but
05:54you know i sold out of her she's got the brains
05:58so uh she closes up alone does she
06:02we've got uh two rooms uh
06:05a main floor and a chill out zone
06:07each has a bar
06:10and then closes the chill bar cashes up and then brings everything to napalm
06:14napalm
06:16nickname
06:18what's the nickname
06:22for nathan palmer
06:26to get barman
06:29right so uh all the money
06:32in the building is all in one place just before closing
06:38napalm puts everything in the safe and then
06:43take you to the bank in the morning
06:46so bonnie and clyde hit the club exactly the right time
06:51exactly the right place and helen who cashes up has disappeared
06:55she's not involved she wouldn't do that
06:58anyone who works at the club knows they'll cash up
07:00anyone with a grudge
07:03no one here on
07:07so you were a bouncer at the moon club
07:09yeah so any particular reason why you left
07:13yeah
07:13bonnie's an idiot lives in some fantasy world where you don't pay people minimum wage
07:19you should check him out right i'll be sure to do that when we last there
07:24a few weeks ago
07:25still owes me a month's money
07:27did you see helen shane when you were there
07:31owner reckons you had a bit of a schoolboy crush on miss shane
07:34or was that just another one of his fantasies what did she do knock you back dent your pride
07:39i don't know what you're talking about the only thing that got dented was her car
07:43she nearly ran me over when i was leaving
07:45what was she driving persia color silver
07:50why already on it
07:58i'm here just outside
08:02all right angie good to see you out and about
08:06yeah i'm not home
08:07thought i may as well update you on the way
08:09right what do you got silver peugeot 406 52 plate registered to helen shane
08:16description's gone out to all boroughs nothing's been found yet
08:20so what do we think then helen shane becomes a target is it because she's just about to head
08:25home and she's got an easy getaway car well if that's the case and they didn't bring their own
08:29then we should be checking the cctv for the local tube stations see if we can find out which route
08:35tony and maggie took to get it unless they did come in a car nick's a better one
08:43i checked the streets nearby and there was a w registered toyota down here
08:46port is stolen by mrs annabelle scott at midday tuesday
08:56flat tire
09:01forensics are sending over a truck to take it back down to the station
09:04but i told the lab boys we couldn't wait
09:07twigs wrapper empty vodka bottle run
09:14what no white powder
09:17what do you reckon weed resin yeah it could be
09:21and a receipt from novo's news dated yesterday cigarette papers packet fags
09:27two items saying old saint louis that is tobacco old saint louis you don't hear it much these days my
09:36old man used to smoke it do us a favor call the owner of this car will you please find out what
09:41statement was in when she last had it yeah yes thank you because my guessing is she's no pothead
09:49so whoever sold this little lot could give us a description of our killers without the fancy dress
09:53masks on you have any idea how many people buy fags from nobos but on the way to a tube station for
10:00god's sake i can't remember one bloke well you know i appreciate that ruby i really really do but
10:08this is very important a young woman's life is in real danger and you might be able to help so just
10:14try and think back to yesterday morning and and remember something anything i think he added them
10:21a denim jacket well yeah good that's great how hard was that a denim jacket or anything you remember
10:28about him that he didn't have like what how can i remember what he didn't have well like like a beard for instance
10:40oh right i get it yeah
10:42and
10:49what well did he or did he not have a beard he had like stubble great stubble
11:02uh how's it going well slowly but slowly you know right well forensics pulled loads of prints from the
11:10toyota one partial who's not the owner but not enough for an id and how's the press conference
11:16going uh yeah pretty rough on the gov press are going crazy calling it a gun spree tv crews everywhere
11:22i think christmas has come early we found the peugeot
11:25boys it's just around the corner the other side of the estate there's no one in it i've got plain clothes
11:37on both ends and on every side street position all clear for now so what are we waiting for
11:45well hang on a minute they don't know that we've found the car yet well time's ticking here could be
11:50for the prince give us an id yeah or they could have gone for a cup of coffee i mean they might
11:55come straight back to us if we wait here for a few minutes while helen shane does what final nails
12:01oh bloody huge cruise do they never give up not once they smell blood no right we're going to move
12:07quick on this before they get any pictures it's not locked
12:23same leftover backy packet and more vodka maybe one of our killers has a drink problem
12:28i needed that carriage before they pull the trigger yeah we're on
12:36helen shane
12:51any other car stolen where we found the persia
12:54well someone who had their carnage this morning might not have noticed yet
12:57the authorities reckon helen shane had only been dead a couple of hours by the time we found her
13:02shot in the back and fled out what a way to go hello brooks forensics found a little partial print
13:09is it good enough yeah matches the partial we found the toyota listen up everyone shut up quiet please
13:16says her name's maggie as in thatcher could be where are you love can you tell me where you are please
13:24oh god he's coming who's coming love what's going on
13:32what do you reckon it was all maggie could be or a crank it didn't seem like a crank
13:38why didn't she leave us her name then well maybe her real name is maggie
13:42we have a fingerprint match we know who one of them is
13:45yes andy bishop 31 ex-serviceman decorated during a tour of iraq seven years ago but had difficulty
13:54readjusting to civilian life according to medical reports he went through an alcohol detox program
14:00twice since leaving last year he was done for abh for a domestic dispute but he was out six months ago
14:07since then no known address probation officer yes he had one but andy never showed up for his
14:14appointments right so uh any known contact his mother suffers from ms she's living in a home in
14:21essex dad's dead who's the domestic with his ex-girlfriend we're trying to track her down
14:28he also has a brother sam who lives in hackney
14:34help yourself look around make sure you check out the other six bedrooms won't you don't
14:39i need a warrant for this wait don't you need a warrant for this
14:47do you smoke mr bishop used to gave up when the bird got bumped the bird you sure about that i have
14:55a spliff now and again you know just personal use and have you seen your brother lately i knew this was
15:02about andy didn't i tell you this was about andy mr bishop not since he got out of prison why why
15:09did you miss the news this morning because we think he's killed four people and then
15:14got on a run with a loaded gun that's why
15:19has he scored since his release how would i know because he's a dope head and the first thing you
15:25would have done after getting out of prison is come to see someone who could offer him a toque
15:29i swear you need a warrant for this i've seen it on tv unless you've got something useful to say
15:34shut up boy don't tell her to shut up what you're gonna do sam hey big man in front of his girlfriend
15:46just tell us where your brother is i don't know i swear to god okay what's the name of his dealer
15:54why don't you just give us a name then we'll be on our way and we'll leave you to your domestic bliss
16:03or we could continue this conversation down the station both of you oh no way you're having a laugh
16:08ain't you i ain't going anywhere like this i need to take a piss every 30 seconds babe don't babe me
16:16kyle branning you better sit down son before you fall down do you supply andy bishop
16:41andy bishop big bloke about 30. does he score his gear from you you're going down for a long time
16:48kyle with all this stuff here so the more helpful you are now the less painful it will be
16:54how old are you son 19. you've ever been in a prison kyle
17:00who's that bloke we need ron big fella doing 10 years for armed robbery in ashbridge
17:05he eats nice young boys like you for breakfast oh no matt he don't need us
17:09me ron i think we got the picture right look he gets some weed off me sometimes good lad anything else
17:21kyle don't make me play bad cop you wouldn't like him when he plays bad cop
17:30he didn't pay for it what you want to report a theft no
17:33he said he said he didn't have no cash and but i said i don't do credit but then he pulled a gun
17:42six hour p226
17:50what i like army stuff and when was this day before yesterday
17:58i like army stuff how do kids like that function in the world well he doesn't does he he's living in a
18:04smoke filled bubble what well i better get on the ballistics find out where the latest army issue
18:11knockoffs are being traded hello devlin another hit on a newsagent shoreditch you called us here for
18:19these two i heard on the radio male female team i think we also said they were through puberty look
18:25i called you as soon as he called me they were shoplifting she gets me to reach for something at the
18:29back of my shop while i'm looking the other way he nicks me fags well you shouldn't even be smoking
18:35we don't they're bad for you we sell them at school to the year 10th and you've got to stop watching
18:41the apprentice you're gonna nick him i want justice not today riz check next time yeah
18:47johnny you sell old st louis tobacco yeah so
19:00hey what do you think you're doing we told you already we haven't seen him yeah you also told us
19:06you didn't smoke what's that got to do with anything well you see i can smell tobacco in here which isn't
19:12the smell of a now and again spliff so if you're not smoking the tobacco who is it's next door i keep
19:20telling them to stop but they won't listen are you serious how long do you think we'll be doing this
19:24this is harassment i am pregnant you know we can see that love but do you know what i find very strange
19:30it's laundry day and not one item of clothing belonging to us on these clothes horses so where do you live
19:38what are you talking about because you don't live here do you brewer street 10 minutes walk from here
19:57nobody home they've run out of booze maybe they went to the office get some more well i would have we
20:05just pass one around the corner right
20:28you up for this oh yeah
20:35i don't want to talk to you for a minute get on the floor you'll take
21:02and listen to me andy no one wants to shoot anyone here all right now it's over andy look at me son
21:14it's over mate just put the gun down all right let's end this properly come on
21:19it's over i'm not going back to prison andy look at me
21:24i don't want you to get shot here son i'm pretty sure you don't really want to shoot me so
21:28let's all just take a breath and calm down i was just protecting her it's over mate
21:35just think about this you're a war hero all right a war hero bags of respect you've been
21:43decorated you don't want it to end drunk in some offline
21:46you're a war hero
21:54put it down put it down put it down on the floor on the floor
21:59oh my god thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you
22:07okay so then let's help you get her
22:11her name's joanne vickery and she's andy bishop's ex but she claims he kidnapped her when he got out
22:24of prison any truth in that story well her nan's in there with her and she says she hasn't seen her in
22:31six months
22:38i don't understand my granddaughter's just been rescued why are we in a police station
22:43hello mrs vickery your granddaughter's just been arrested what for she ain't done nothing wrong
22:50joanne would you tell the cps what you told me earlier
23:01andy came around my house after he was released and he said that that we was going to be together
23:11i was really scared because he could lose it i said to him that i was seeing someone else just
23:18to get rid of him but he went mad and he dragged me back to his car and he said he used to beat her
23:27all the time that's why he was banged up for breaking her jaw when did you start going out with him
23:33i was 17. she was still a kid she didn't understand what sort of an animal he was
23:42can i take her home now no mrs vickery joanne's being charged with five counts of murder
23:57you're happy with the indictment absolutely five counts of murder four of those on a joint
24:09enterprise we know she shot andy bishop she was holding the smoking gun but you're not so sure
24:15well if you buy the kidnapped story shooting andy bishop could be argued as manslaughter by virtue of
24:22loss of control now we bind the kidnap story well according to joanne's nan he charmed his way in
24:28at 17 and then took control of every part of her life he's had her emotionally locked away for years
24:34hang on a second we're talking about a woman who carried a loaded gun around the streets of london
24:39and watched four people murdered without saying or doing a thing yes watched that's the joint
24:45enterprise i agree she's guilty of that she knew what andy bishop could do and did nothing to stop him
24:50resulting in the deaths of four innocent people but shooting andy bishop could be seen as the end
24:55result of domestic violence that makes it less clear cut less clear cut always worries me joanne
25:03vickery did not stab andy bishop with a kitchen knife in the bedroom or even beat him with the
25:08lead piping in the library she shot him in an off license surrounded by armed police that's not loss of
25:15control that's a choice but would she be walking around with a loaded gun if she didn't know andy
25:20bishop if the public start to see her as a victim you'll struggle to get murder through to a jury so
25:26we need to make sure that doesn't happen time to put away the liberal textbooks
25:31so robin how's your new batman great we're a dynamic duo brother she's driving you mad i can see it in
25:48your eyes don't worry you'll fall for him all his assistants do well when i see his assistant
26:00i'll tell her phyllis what do we have to talk about well i'm guessing that you both miss the first
26:10class in law school when they distinguish between the criminal and the victim cute if andy bishop
26:17was still with us i'd happily be prosecuting him as well and as he isn't you're happy putting his
26:23victim in the dock instead it's murder phil she stood by holding a gun and did nothing where four
26:30people were shot she deserves to go down for life she's not guilty of anything you should drop all the
26:35charges never gonna happen she was key to the commission of the crime simply by holding a gun
26:41and intimidating people joanne was systematically abused by bishop in a one-sided relationship since
26:47she was 17. he dictated who her friends were where she went what she did this is not a poster girl for
26:55the fight against domestic violence she shot bishop of point-blank range she had no idea the gun was
27:01loaded she was as surprised as everyone else when it went off so why did she pull the trigger
27:05she was nervous trembling wanted to get away there could be a hundred reasons we're only looking
27:14for one her gun was loaded in the moon club the off license and all the time she was driving around
27:20hackney who knows how many more deaths there may have been if her gun went off somewhere else
27:25okay we have ourselves a ball game she was not in control of her actions had not a clue what his
27:34intentions were and was psychologically harmed if you're questioning her mental state she sees our
27:40psychiatrist
27:45all my mum cared about was her next boyfriend
27:51most of them get bored of her eventually and then they'll try it on with me
27:55i just wanted someone to protect me and andy did that yeah i loved him
28:07we used to talk about running away together flying to vegas getting married but we never did
28:15and andy andy broke your jaw didn't he
28:24joanne why did he hit you
28:30he always did when i'd done something wrong drink just made it worse
28:35why did you go along to the moon club i had to i knew what he could be like when he got angry
28:47i never thought he'd kill no one
28:52at least we was together
28:53you felt closer to him by doing this i i thought if i went along with it he'd come back to me like be
29:07the andy i knew when i first met him i still loved him did you ever not love him
29:14i don't think so oh even when he broke your jaw
29:22put you in hospital
29:26no
29:32i believe she was a willing participant but not for the reasons we've assumed
29:37she was scared of him but she also wanted to turn andy bishop back into the hero she first went out
29:43with so she was with him because she still loved him not because she was terrified for her life
29:49with their kind of relationship sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between the two it's a
29:54fine line but a line we're on the right side of i'm not sure not without spending a lot more time
30:02assessing her well it's not quite the unequivocal yes i was hoping for there's maybe something else
30:09she claims she called the police
30:16to warn them
30:19well there was a lot of crying from her i mean this place was heaving phones were going
30:23people were shouting you know but did she say anything about andy bishop i had no idea what
30:28she was saying to start with to be fair then she mentioned that her name was maggie that got my attention
30:34then there was a lot more crying and then she said something along the lines of he's coming back
30:41i've got to go then the phone went dead and this was after the press conference when the details of
30:46the blair and thatcher mass had been revealed yeah was it recorded for training purposes so they say
30:52god knows what anyone could have learned from that but they were you've tried tracing it
30:56yes well we got to pay-as-you-go number and that was unregistered were there any other calls
31:04lovers well not to me but then again i haven't checked all of the call logs so thank you detective
31:11brooks that's all i need hammers supporter yep unlucky
31:17let's do a bit of digging and see just how many maggies decided to call the police that morning
31:28okay and what if it was joanne well if they can't prove it they can't use it
31:33even if we think it was her she called herself maggie but that's because she knew how she was
31:39being represented on the news or because it wasn't joanne maybe we should consider taking a
31:46plea to manslaughter uh then the jury could acquit her for everything i'm not having that i'm still
31:51not convinced that she's a cold-blooded murderer well she didn't shoot andy bishop by accident
31:57no she shot him because she wasn't in control of her actions what that very moment i just don't
32:03believe it look jake just admit it the jury'll think that joanne's already done our job for us
32:10so what are you saying that she wouldn't have done any of this without him
32:14yes that's exactly what i'm saying so what about him or maxine carl criminal history is full of
32:23women who've been bent and twisted by an abusive partner but every joy that's faced them has put
32:27them away because they all thought the same four words they had a choice however tough they could have
32:34said no is there any shade of gray in your world of course there is on a saturday night in the pub over a
32:42pint but look at what happened she killed him when she didn't have to wrap it up in as much sympathy
32:50as you like that's still murder
32:57it is a clear demonstration of remorse a signal she was trying to escape her captor and bring this
33:05terrible tragedy to an end can i ask my learned friend not to refer to miss vickery's boyfriend
33:11as her captor they were living together in a relationship the story remains the same she was
33:18there against her will was it against her will that they went to the odian cinema on wednesday the 17th of
33:25last month or the slug and lettuce the week before i could go on and on all at his demand my lord
33:33there were 22 calls to the police station that day from people claiming to be maggie thatcher
33:39and i can't believe that anyone would willingly claim to be the thatch unless a little thank you mr
33:44thorne let's leave our party political broadcast for outside shall we i have an expert witness who has
33:51provided a statement confirming there is a moderate proposition that the voice on the recording is joanne
33:59vickery i have it here and i have an expert witness who has provided a statement confirming there is a
34:04moderate proposition that it isn't and again my lord the prejudicial value of this phone call gives
34:12her story a bias which this court must find unfair it outweighs the probative value of i entirely disagree
34:18surely this is a matter for the miss gladstone i've read both reports and i have to side with mr thorne here
34:27if it was a crank it could sway the jury unfairly i'm ruling that the recording of any calls
34:34is inadmissible my lord thank you unless you have anything further no my lord court will rise
34:48well done once more with feeling miss phillips i'm not naive jake murder or man sort i know we need
35:00the strongest possible case to queen and do you what want to win yes it's important to him
35:10that makes it important to us spoken like a true public servant
35:23behind that latex mask is joanne vickery that is not in dispute nor is it in dispute that she alone
35:31pulled the trigger and fired the gun that killed andy bishop did she do us all a favor some of you may
35:38think so but the truth is this the law sees what she did as murder and so too must you
35:47the defense will paint joanne vickery as a victim it will play on your sympathies
35:54tug on your heartstrings do not let them cloud your judgment do not be influenced by sentiment the real
36:02victims are not able to be here but their relatives are sat behind me at the back of this court
36:11hoping you will make the right choice
36:16they know she's not a victim she could have stopped all this from happening
36:20so she is here facing five five charges of murder
36:32if you remember nothing else during this trial remember this one or more of those innocent victims
36:39would still be here today if joanne had acted sooner their deaths are on her hands
36:46would you rewind to the front of the clip please i will paint joanne vickery as a victim
36:58do you know why
37:00because that is the real picture look at her clearly trembling with fear out of her depth frightened scared
37:11for her life that the man in front of her who claimed to love her and yet regularly beat her hard
37:17enough to send her to a hospital would turn the gun on her the deaths of four people in the early hours
37:27of that tragic day are a heinous crime and i wish the true criminal could receive just punishment but
37:35that that can never happen why because andy bishop is dead
37:46my client after years of being trampled on and destroyed as a person stood up to an abusive
37:57violent controlling man who knows how many more innocent people she saved by acting as she did
38:08stopping a mad gun-wielding psychopath in his tracks look at her
38:15his most innocent victim
38:37are you worried the jury's already siding against you
38:40phyllis fought hard to present her opening speech immediately after mine
38:50i can see why now
38:52i'd say losing that little battle didn't cost you the war
38:59i think judge redford wanted to level the playing field after excluding the maggie phone call
39:04you pushed for murder when you could have considered a plea to manslaughter
39:13you slapping my wrist i'm double checking you know what you're doing this is an extremely high
39:18profile case that we're at risk of losing worried about our reputation no
39:24i'm worried about yours don't lean on our friendship jake
39:29the dpp's told me he's keeping a close eye on you new kid on the block and all that
39:37if joanne vickery is acquitted you could end up losing a lot more than this case
39:43i believe she should go down for murder but can you win with that
39:50yes
39:53good
39:53because you need a few more victories under your belt blow this and you could be out on your ear
40:01before you've really begun
40:07mr bishop would you raise your right hand
40:22could you turn it around so the jury can see the back is that a scar
40:28yeah how did you get it and he stabbed me with a fork why did you do that because i won't give him
40:39the remote the remote for the television
40:46after he stabbed you in the hand who looked after the remote in your flat
40:53andy how much do you weigh i don't know 13 13 half stone any idea how much miss victory weighs please
41:05my lord relevance of the witnesses vital statistics i'll tell you she weighs seven stone four pounds
41:12almost half your weight your brother stabs you once and you do whatever he says is that right
41:24yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely
41:32no further questions
41:44andy seemed like a nice lad at first always looking out for her
41:48how did the relationship develop they moved in together when she was 19
41:56after that we saw less and less of her and when we
42:01and when we did she'd always have a new bruise over her eyes or cups on her arms
42:07and when he broke her jaw
42:14he'd been on a bender we went to the hospital to see her you were in such a terrible state
42:24and she swore never again he went to prison for it
42:33thank you
42:36mrs vickery
42:37did your granddaughter give evidence at andy bishop's abh trial yes eventually
42:44so she stood up to him it took us ages to convince her and still she wasn't happy about it
42:52terrified at what he'd do if he was let off
42:55but however hard it was she still finally stood up to him and helped put him away
43:01yes
43:02fresh start you said
43:05away from andy
43:06she stopped dying her hair she went on a diet she looked lovely
43:17she wanted to go back to college because she left school before she got her exams
43:22she was suspended wasn't she
43:26from one school
43:28for extended truancy
43:31she ran away said she'd got some work in a club in town somewhere she was back after a few weeks
43:39so she didn't hate her life at home that much it was her mum she wouldn't abandon her
43:49she loved her
43:52well like she loved andy bishop
43:54i mean let's be honest joanne was never going to get a fresh start was she mrs vickery
44:03however much she changed her hairstyle she was always going to go back to him because she deluded
44:08herself that she could change him truth is she would have done anything to prove that she loved him
44:15including helping him with the abduction and murder of an innocent bystander and the cold-blooded
44:20shooting of three other members of the public
44:24i don't think mrs vickery likes you that's okay we're not paid to be liked good job
44:30do we have a picture of joanne vickery before shadow makeover don't know sure we can get hold of one
44:42look please show me this i've never seen joanne before the trial
44:46you're sure you're sure we get a lot of stuff turnover miss phillips it would only have been for a
44:53few weeks about six years ago look believe me if i could help you i would since ellen
45:01look i don't even want to be here this place it's all i just want to pack a bag and leave but i can't
45:12come on because this place it's all her it's all i have left
45:21what about this one it was taken around the time she may have worked here
45:33that's the same girl yes joanne vickery she was 16 at the time
45:47this is really great work see this pretty face me more than yeah i'm getting that
46:04why didn't you take me with you to a club you haven't seen me on a dance floor i can throw some
46:11shapes let's see how she reacts to this in court you seem to be living as a very affectionate couple
46:26cinema visits friday night at the local curry house i had to pretend otherwise it'd really hurt me
46:34you're that good at pretending if you're worried about getting a smack in the mouth you get pretty
46:39good at it yeah are you pretending now why are you gonna smack me in the mouth
46:50why did you go with him were you excited by the idea no he made me go i was terrified really
47:03you weren't turned on just a little bit by the power you have when you're with him
47:09i never wanted him to shoot anyone so what did you want i just thought we was gonna rob the place
47:20and how did you feel when he shot napalm
47:26i feel sick
47:27you know who napalm is yeah he's the barman
47:35yet we've only ever referred to him in this court as mr palmer
47:43would you care to tell the jury how you know the barman well enough to recognize his nickname
47:48did you not work at the moon club when you ran away from home six years ago
47:56you knew how they cashed up where they kept the money didn't you
48:06miss vickery you are under oath
48:13yes yeah
48:16i worked there for about three weeks why were you fired i wasn't fired
48:22didn't mr palmer discover your real age and have you fired he didn't fire me i ran away
48:32back home yes but you just run away from home i don't understand
48:43me and napalm went out for a bit but he dumped me after we you know
48:49after you slept together he told me he loved me then he just ignored me
48:59i wanted to keep on seeing him but he said if i didn't leave him alone he'd tell the boss my real age
49:10you told andy bishop didn't you
49:12what nathan palmer had done when did you tell him
49:27we was having an argument andy always thought that he was my first
49:34i wanted to hurt him so i told him he wasn't i told him about napalm about nathan
49:47miss vickery when did you tell andy this story
49:52the night before it all kicked off
49:53i only thought he was gonna scare him i swear
50:05and that's what you wanted wasn't it to get your own back on an ex-boyfriend for hurting you all
50:13those years ago you told a dangerous violent man about your first sexual partner because you
50:20wanted to hurt him
50:25you knew what he would do when you told him the story about the moon club didn't you
50:32you knew he'd react like this
50:38none of those people would have been murdered if you hadn't lit the fuse
50:51no further questions
50:56last chance before the closing speeches drop the murder counts and will plead to manslaughter
51:02you still think you have a case left after that god jacob hasn't she suffered enough why does she
51:06have to go to prison for life she knew how dangerous andy bishop could be but she didn't
51:11think twice about using nathan palmer's name as leverage during a domestic she didn't know he was going to
51:16kill him yes she did or at least she knew he'd try she wanted to punish all the men in her life who'd
51:24caused her pain i can understand that she saw her opportunity and she took it but she didn't care how
51:29how many helen shanes or claire bowers got in the way to her they were just collateral damage
51:40members of the jury in relation to count one on the indictment alleging the murder of helen shane
51:49do you find the defendant joanne vickery guilty or not guilty guilty
51:59phyllis is not letting this one go
52:27no she's getting a whole new psych evaluation done a file this thick to put forward in mitigation
52:34you don't have to fight it if you don't want to
52:37let one of the juniors step up that's how i learn
52:41no i do want to
52:45helen
52:47claire
52:49armin
52:51nathan
52:52all of them had lives left to lead what a waste jake we won the case move on what like frank shane
53:03sometimes just winning isn't enough