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00:00Prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.
00:07Police have been granted a further 24 hours to interview Lenny Gaines,
00:13the father of 10-year-old Jodie Gaines, who's been missing for seven days.
00:18Jodie went missing last Friday on her way to a music lesson in central London.
00:23Earlier this week, Lenny Gaines and his ex-wife Kaylee made an emotional plea for Jodie's safe return.
00:31If you saw Jodie, you'd know where...
00:36Where she is.
00:43Huh?
00:52Please.
00:57You've got to tell the police.
01:08She's our baby.
01:14We need a home.
01:15We need a home now.
01:22A couple of Latvian skip rats found her about three hours ago.
01:29They were after scrap metal.
01:31She was under that radiator.
01:33Time of death about six to ten hours ago.
01:36Cause not obvious.
01:39She's only been dead about an hour or so when they dumped her.
01:42There's abrasions on the palms of her hands.
01:45Looks like that.
01:48Is it her?
01:49Jodie had a scar on her left arm.
01:57Any sign of her school bag or mobile?
02:00Nothing yet.
02:01Anything else for us?
02:02A couple of mothballs.
02:04Stuck to the sheet.
02:05What?
02:05Who uses mothballs these days?
02:09Who tapes a kid's mouth shut?
02:11Shoves him in a skip.
02:13I don't know.
02:14But it wasn't her dad.
02:16Let's get him out of the cells then, eh?
02:19Let's get him out of the cells then, eh?
02:19Let's get him out of the cells then.
02:22Hello?
02:25Let's go.
02:25She wants to.
02:26Go home.
03:57We've told you everything we know.
04:00Yeah, but it will just help us, Mr. Gaines.
04:04We just need to go over your statements again.
04:06The routine, that's all.
04:0949 hours I've been locked up.
04:12And all the time she's been out there, alive.
04:16Well, the other team, you know, made a bad call.
04:20And I know it doesn't make it any easier, but when a child goes missing, presumed dead, we have to consider every possibility.
04:28Even the fact that maybe the dad did it.
04:32Not this.
04:35Not this dad.
04:36I'd just like to go over Jodie's after-school routine, if that's okay, just in case something may have been missed.
04:46Guitar lesson, 4pm, Poland Street.
04:50It's about a mile away from the school.
04:52And how does she get there?
04:53Same cab firm.
04:54They're all CRB checked.
04:56Look, Jodie knows all the drivers.
04:58Been through this a hundred times.
05:00Well, you don't think she's a bit young to be taking cabs on her own?
05:06Well, cabs, you know, they're checked, so they're safe, eh?
05:10She's usually back ten minutes after me.
05:16I waited and waited, but she didn't come home.
05:25So Jodie was staying with you, yeah?
05:28Jodie lived with me.
05:30The family courts gave me custody.
05:32Right.
05:34I called Grebo.
05:37Grebo?
05:40Grebo Moore, the guitar teacher.
05:43Lovely things, Matt.
05:45But he said she never showed up, but the school teacher said she saw her get into the cab.
05:53Cause of death was suffocation.
05:56Jodie had a stomach bug, mouth was taped shut.
05:59Vomit needed to go somewhere, and it did.
06:01Plugged up the nasal passages.
06:02Jesus.
06:03So it could have been accidental.
06:04What, accidentally taped her mouth shut, did he?
06:07How are we going to tell that to the dad?
06:08Well, it's her mum I'm worried about.
06:11A poor woman could barely speak.
06:13At least Jodie wasn't sexually assaulted.
06:16There's got to be some conservation.
06:18Although that could have been the motive for the kidnapping, though.
06:21They did pull over 50 splinters of glass out of her hands.
06:24How did the glass get in her hands?
06:26Well, it could have been a scuffle.
06:28Glass could have smashed, and she could have tried to crawl over it.
06:30Any news on the sheet she was wrapped up in?
06:32It was a 1950s vintage top sheet part of a set, but it could have come from any retro shop, jumble sale.
06:38Or it could have been brought new, and just had over, I don't know, half a century's worth of use.
06:43Yeah.
06:45Talk to the cabbie again.
06:47And to the guitar teacher.
06:48Like I told the other cops, she didn't show.
06:56The thing is, Grebo, can I call you Grebo?
07:01We have a witness that saw her walk through your front door.
07:05I don't know what to say.
07:07You went through my flat.
07:09And don't think you won't get a bill for the damages.
07:11I'll give you the number of our complaints tonight.
07:13So, Jodie comes to your place week in, week out for guitar lessons.
07:18When she doesn't show up, you don't think to call her parents?
07:21I did the first time she tried it.
07:23Her dad went mental.
07:25So, what about the second or the third time?
07:28Her dad kept you on a tight leash.
07:30Look, if I thought for one second Jodie was in trouble, I'd have called her dad.
07:35I've been driving Jodie over a year now.
07:43Sparky kid.
07:45Where exactly did you drop Jodie?
07:48Outside Fred's city on Collang Street.
07:51Her music picture lives above it.
07:53And you watch the go-in?
07:55Always do.
07:56The school recommends us to parents.
07:58It's part of the deal.
08:00And what route did you take?
08:01Shastby Avenue, Wardour Street, Broadwick Street.
08:05Then on to Collang Street.
08:09Lads.
08:10All right, how you doing?
08:11Just a quick question.
08:12How long you been working here?
08:13Best part of a week.
08:15And this diversion's been in place the whole time?
08:18Yeah.
08:20I'm missing something.
08:22What?
08:22Our cab he reckons he drove down Broadwick Street and turned right into Poland Street.
08:29Maybe his cab's got wings.
08:32Okay, okay.
08:33Maybe I took Knoll Street, turned left into Poland Street.
08:39No, that's one way.
08:42Then it must have been Double A Street.
08:44I don't know, Ronnie.
08:45I thought these cabbies were meant to have a memory for roots.
08:48You know what, Dom?
08:48I sympathize with you.
08:50I really do.
08:52And I tell you for why.
08:53Because when I was married to the first Mrs. Brooks and I came home late, she would want
08:58to know every single detail.
09:01And I used to struggle because I've got to be honest.
09:03Half the time, I couldn't remember what I said to him before.
09:05But it didn't matter what road I went to.
09:07Hey, hey.
09:08It matters.
09:10Because we reckon you took Jodie for a little detail.
09:14I don't know, maybe school uniforms float your boat.
09:17You're sick.
09:18I've got four girls of my own.
09:20So now you think you're a man of honor because you won't touch your own kids.
09:23But as long as they're not related, then they're fair game.
09:25This is crazy.
09:26I didn't draw that.
09:27Now listen to me.
09:28You've lied once.
09:29Dom.
09:32Would you like a cup of tea?
09:35Yes.
09:36Yeah, me and all.
09:38What about you, Matt?
09:39Fancy a cup of tea?
09:40Why don't you get us a cup of tea?
09:52For the tape, DS Devlin is leaving the room.
09:55Well, you know what, Dom?
10:04I think you're telling the truth.
10:09But I also think you're leaving something out.
10:12Some little detail you're not telling us, you know.
10:16A bit like when I used to tell my wife I was working late and forgot to mention that I'd spent four hours in the Red Lion.
10:25What's the little detail?
10:27Traffic was hell.
10:37Jodie said she could walk it faster.
10:40I dropped her off on Woodrow Street, corner of Brodwick.
10:54I promised her that I would never leave till she was inside.
10:58We've run his name through the system.
11:08Not even a parking fine.
11:11Right.
11:12Do you want us to let him go then, Gov?
11:13Don't you dare.
11:15He's told one by maybe there'll be more.
11:17For a start, we've been watching a long CCTV footage.
11:20Now he's changed his mind about his route.
11:24Different cameras might come up trumps.
11:27How she gets.
11:29Bonnie.
11:30Got him.
11:31Nice one.
11:32The second after Jodie turns into Brodwick Street.
11:53Can you rewind that bit?
11:55For you, anything?
11:56Anything?
11:56Just after Jodie turns into Brodwick Street, one of the residents of the flats remembers seeing a white van hanging around the skip.
12:13Do you know how many white vans are out in London?
12:14But not all of them have got racks on the side.
12:21It's the glaziest van.
12:23And Jodie was found with glass splinters in her hands, which could have come from the back of that van.
12:37They're all side shots.
12:39The driver's in profile for maybe one frame.
12:42IC1?
12:43IC2 maybe?
12:44What about the van?
12:46Congestion zone cameras must have got the registration number.
12:48Oh yeah, they've got a beauty of the mud obscuring it.
12:51What about the lettering on the side behind the rack?
12:54Well, I mean the logo's all faded and the angle the sunlight's hitting the glass means you can't make out a thing.
12:59So basically, we're about to square one, God.
13:02Got a window?
13:03It's not standard.
13:05Can't be many of that shape around.
13:07That is a modern take on the 19th century arch window, apparently.
13:17Well, that's very good.
13:18But does he have any idea what sort of building it comes from?
13:21Well, I reckon we've been there a few times.
13:24Nope, you've lost me.
13:25That is a window from the south block of the Old Bailey.
13:28That's right.
13:42We did the Old Bailey job last week.
13:44It wasn't easy matching it up.
13:46Is this one of yours?
13:49What's this all about?
13:50We ask first, Mr. Andreu.
13:54Yeah, it looks like one of my vans.
13:57What was it?
13:57Hit and run?
13:58We think the driver may have witnessed a crime.
14:03Well, look, I've got over 30 fitters.
14:05I need to check the files.
14:07Leave me a number and I'll get back to you.
14:10Have you been sober long?
14:14Pardon?
14:15To thine own self be true.
14:17That's what my answer is.
14:18How long?
14:24392 days.
14:27That's good.
14:32We need this information now, Mr. Andreu.
14:44Do you know the Grovewood Rehab Clinic, dear?
14:46Well, I read the brochure in between pints.
14:51Yeah, Christos.
14:53Who fitted the window on the Old Bailey job?
14:57Cheers.
14:59Nick Colton lives in Kennington.
15:01He's out on a job.
15:02Found some of my boss, right?
15:07I was room lighting.
15:09You got the address?
15:11Must have checked it out.
15:12The job wasn't worth my while.
15:14What about the client's name?
15:16I ain't got a memory for names, me.
15:18Well, that's a shame.
15:19What did you do after that?
15:20Uh, big job, Belgravia.
15:24Chappell's Mantle.
15:24By the time I got there, it was after six.
15:26So I packed it in, headed for the Westminster Bridge.
15:29What, a Kennington?
15:31Surely Vauxhall Bridge will be quicker.
15:33My mum lives in Deptford.
15:34Went back for dinner.
15:35Who else was there?
15:38It's his mum.
15:38And what time did the party finish at your mum's?
15:45I don't know.
15:46What's the foot of your left?
15:49And your mum will vouch that you were there.
15:51She don't need to.
15:52Speed cameras will do that.
15:53I've got done on the way there.
15:5480 quid and three points.
15:56I was only going 40.
15:59Ah, no.
16:00Nick Colton is habitual.
16:02He started off with a tour of young offenders' institutions at 15.
16:06He graduated with the big boys.
16:08You name a Nick that he hasn't been in.
16:10What'd he do?
16:11What didn't he do?
16:13Burglary, GBH, hit and run.
16:15One rape charge that never made it to court.
16:18One that got him eight years.
16:19He served four.
16:20The youngest victim was 20.
16:22Killing little girls, though, that's a big leap.
16:25He has been out six years and nothing.
16:28Well, maybe prison did him some good.
16:29Or taught him how not to get caught.
16:31Did you confirm that speed camera?
16:33Going 40 and a 30.
16:35Doesn't mean he didn't have a dead girl in the back of his van.
16:37And he goes straight on to his mum's house for a plate of spank bowl.
16:41Man's got to eat.
16:42He's got history.
16:43And he was at the scene of the kidnapping.
16:45I want you to search his van.
16:48Yeah.
16:48We went through the van with a fine tooth comb and I checked the material under the microscope.
16:57No fibres, no hair.
17:00What?
17:01Nothing.
17:03Apart from bad taste in music.
17:07We'll go through it again.
17:08Look, if it was there, I'd have found it.
17:10Actually, that makes sense, Matt, because...
17:13Thanks.
17:14Yeah.
17:14Nick Carlton has been there and back and bought the t-shirt with the old hit and run play,
17:18wouldn't he?
17:18So the first thing he's going to do is book his vehicle in for a valet.
17:22But Jodie had glass in her hands.
17:24There must have been blood there.
17:26There were just abrasions on her hands with glass splinters embedded.
17:31No actual blood, I'm afraid.
17:32Look, we've sent the glass off for analysis.
17:35I've said it's a priority.
17:38Oh, great.
17:41Cheers, Teddy.
17:42Thanks.
17:43So what now?
17:44Right, well, let's check his alibi.
17:46Talk to his mum.
17:49I made roast pork.
17:52It's Nicky's favourite.
17:54You know what I love, Mrs. Carlton?
17:56Roast pork sandwiches.
17:58Thick white bread, but, you know, a bit of apple sauce, pepper.
18:01Beautiful.
18:03What about your Nicky?
18:04Did he make himself a sandwich before he went on the boat?
18:07I don't know.
18:08I went to bed.
18:10At what time?
18:11After the news.
18:14Which you prefer?
18:15BBC London or London Tonight?
18:17They've all got the same bad news.
18:21Bet the Amherst look good on that, don't they?
18:23Nicky gave it me for Christmas.
18:26To watch Chelsea.
18:30Oh, Ronnie.
18:31Well, well.
18:38We was only talking about them the other day.
18:40Matty was asking me who uses mothballs nowadays.
18:43You get infestations.
18:45Keep finding the little blighters all over.
18:49Coming in through my airing cupboard.
18:52Mind if we have a look?
18:54You already have.
18:55You already have.
19:02My old mum had a set of them.
19:05What's that?
19:06Two pillowcases and a bottom sheet?
19:10Top sheet will make the set.
19:11You're going to be a silly boy and try and do it running, are you?
19:26You're an old-handed, this.
19:29Nicholas Carlton.
19:31I'm arresting you on suspicion of the kidnap and murder of Jodie James.
19:34Maybe you've seen the little Jodie before and picked her out especially.
19:40No coming.
19:41Look, Nick.
19:42The only thing that's going to help you now is if you tell us exactly what happened.
19:47Just say how sorry you are for killing Jodie.
19:52No coming.
19:53It's your best chance of avoiding life without parole.
19:56He's right.
19:58If you didn't mean to kill her, then it was, say, an accident.
20:04It's a whole other prison sentence between manslaughter and murder.
20:08So, was it an accident?
20:13No coming.
20:14The judge gives him life without parole.
20:18I want to be there.
20:19I want to see the whites of his eyes.
20:22The glass splitters found in Jodie's hands are an exact match with the glass firm on the back of Colton's van.
20:31Let's charge him.
20:40The defendant has a catalogue of previous convictions.
20:44Many of them violent.
20:45The Crown believes he poses a risk to children.
20:48There is no suggestion that Mr. Carlton has ever committed any offences against children.
20:55His last conviction is ten years old.
20:59And, my lord, he is the sole carer for his elderly mother.
21:05I am reluctantly granting bail on the following strict conditions.
21:21He has a driver's residence at his mother's address in Deptford.
21:26An electronic tag and curfew between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
21:30And twice daily reporting to Deptford police station.
21:34They bailed the bus
21:57Lenny, I'm so sorry
21:58We will get him at the trial
22:00Will ya?
22:01You said he wouldn't get bailed
22:02No, you said it
22:11Kayleigh
22:12Kayleigh
22:13Kayleigh
22:17Kayleigh
22:21Kayleigh
22:26Kayleigh
22:28Kayleigh
22:29Oh, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going
22:33Yeah
22:33Hey
22:36Oh, God
22:43I'm going, I'm going
22:45Oh, God
22:46Oh, God
22:46It's the ID
22:47Excuse me
22:48What's going on?
22:50Wait, you're bleeding
22:51No, I'm okay
22:52I'm okay
22:53Matt
22:58Kylie
23:22he killed
23:32Jamie
23:32shut up
23:33Kylie
23:34wait for your brief
23:38to get here
23:39I'm so sorry
23:41Mrs. Gaines
23:42please
23:42just listen to me
23:44he's dead
23:58he's dead
24:01look at me
24:02Mrs. Gaines
24:17I am arresting you
24:21on the murder
24:22of Nicholas Colton
24:23you do not have to say anything
24:25are you serious
24:28you may harm your defence
24:29if you do not mention
24:30when questioned
24:30something that you may
24:31to rely on in court
24:33anything you do say
24:35may be given
24:36an evidence
24:37he killed my little girl
25:01who the hell did this happen
25:06it was Ava in a flash
25:08where were the family liaison officers
25:10no one knew that she'd react like that
25:13we can't have every victim of crime
25:16taking the law into their own hands
25:18but every man banging in the country
25:21cheering them on
25:22they're saying that she deserves an OBE
25:24well it doesn't take much effort
25:25to put yourself in her shoes
25:27yeah maybe not
25:28but it can't justify murder
25:31you want to try her for murder
25:34sure of course
25:37what if the next grieving mum
25:41gets herself a gun
25:42well any jury will see
25:43that she's out of her mind
25:44with grief
25:45no no no
25:45she took a knife
25:46to the old Bailey
25:48the whole thing was caught on camera
25:50even so
25:50look we're backed into a corner
25:52I know it's tough
25:53but we have to prosecute
25:55we said to your jury
25:56we'll be wishing
25:57that they'd stab them themselves
25:59I don't want a big messy trial
26:05talk to the barrister
26:09make a deal
26:10my client wants to have a day for this
26:14murder has a minimum tariff
26:16even you can't much it that way
26:19yeah well as soon as the jury
26:20can look at Nick Carlton's record
26:22they'll be lining up
26:24to show you Kayleigh's hand
26:25if they ignore the fact
26:27that she's stuck a knife in his chest
26:28the only fact
26:30that matters
26:31is that Jodie Gaines is dead
26:32because the criminal justice system
26:34felt that scum like Nick Carlton
26:36behind bars
26:37now thanks to Kayleigh Gaines
26:38Mr Carlton's crime spree is over
26:41fuck it
26:43it wasn't up to her to win this
26:44I'm so sorry
26:59please would you leave the talking to me
27:01Mrs Gaines
27:02all I could see in my head was Jodie
27:04dumped in that skip
27:06please Mrs Gaines
27:07I kept thinking about her last minutes alive
27:12where he kept her
27:14please
27:15what you've done to her
27:17you know how scared she must have been
27:23I understand
27:27why you did it
27:29but you killed a man
27:31no he was a monster
27:33if he killed your little girl
27:38tell me you wouldn't feel the same
27:43I'm sorry
27:52we're charging murder
27:54you know I've always found
28:02your inflexibility
28:04truly irritating James
28:06then please don't let me keep you
28:08manslaughter provocation
28:09have we got ourselves a deal
28:11this was a straight up revenge killing me
28:14you know it
28:15you think she wasn't provoked
28:17he kidnapped and murdered her only child
28:20but I haven't been proved
28:21Nick Carlton died an innocent man
28:24well why don't you tell that to the jury
28:26we are on the side of the angels James
28:29you force a murder trial
28:31and you're the one who's going to end up
28:33with egg on his face
28:34you shouldn't let her get to you
28:44I don't
28:45really
28:45George said to make a deal
28:48Kayleigh Gaines for due time
28:50manslaughter provocation carries a custodial
28:52she could get 12 years
28:54or as little as 12 months
28:55isn't that enough
28:56she lost a child James
28:58it wouldn't change the fact that she killed Nick Carlton
29:00what if he was innocent
29:01she believed he was guilty
29:02totally irrelevant
29:03Kayleigh Gaines will get a fair trial
29:05the chance of rehabilitation
29:06Nick Carlton deserved the same
29:08all I'm asking is that we show a little mercy
29:12for it isn't up to us to show mercy Alicia
29:18so what do we do
29:20we do what she should have done
29:24we let a jury decide
29:25did you see the tabloids this morning
29:31they're giving out pull out posters to put in your window
29:35Kayleigh's our hero
29:38I can undress myself thank you
29:41you'll never win
29:44the whole nation's on her side
29:47I'll take my chances
29:50it's not too late you know
29:51you just say those two little words
29:54and the trial just disappears
29:56just like that
29:57man's slaughter provocation
30:02the charge is murder
30:06oh come on
30:09it's a little provocation between friends
30:12gloves are not thin
30:17Nick was my only child
30:23after my husband passed away
30:26Nick looked after me
30:28your son had convictions for violence
30:32didn't he
30:33I never said he was a saint
30:35if he had anything to do with that little girl's death
30:39then he should have gone to prison
30:41no question
30:42I could have lived with that
30:45but this
30:49who gave you the right to play God
30:55Mrs Carlton
30:56just answer counsel's questions please
30:59her little girl's dead and I'm sorry
31:06but who is she to kill my son
31:12he was my baby
31:21after your divorce
31:27the family court gave you custody of Jodie
31:31they said Kaylee was unfit
31:34why was that
31:36when she had Jodie
31:38the anathesis bodged the epidural
31:41messed up a nerve in her back
31:45GP gave her painkillers
31:49but Kaylee had a problem getting off them
31:53is it right Kaylee was born addicted to crack cocaine
31:57yeah
32:00and we heard from our expert witness earlier
32:03that crack babies have a predisposition to addiction
32:07so it must have been no surprise
32:08when Kaylee became addicted to the painkillers
32:12she was addicted within weeks
32:15but she got off them
32:19after her recovery
32:21what sort of mother was she
32:23good one
32:27loving one
32:32no further questions
32:36having gained custody of Jodie seven years ago
32:46you've been her sole carer
32:49haven't you
32:50that's right
32:51so surely
32:52you're the one who must feel the loss of Jodie most acutely
32:58you're the one who must feel most
33:01provoked
33:03yeah I suppose so
33:07and yet
33:08you didn't feel like
33:10killing Mr. Culp
33:12I'm not a violent man
33:16I couldn't do something like that
33:19no you couldn't
33:20provoked or not
33:22no normal decent person could
33:25it's my learned friend making a speech already
33:28Mr. Steele
33:30plenty of time for speeches later
33:33on count one
33:46the murder of Nicholas Carlton
33:49do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty
33:53not guilty
33:55on count two
33:58the manslaughter of Nicholas Carlton
34:02do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty
34:05guilty
34:09a man lost his life
34:25he may indeed have been responsible for the death of Mrs. Gaines daughter
34:32but it is not one person's right to end the life of another
34:37this offense is clearly so serious
34:44only custody is appropriate
34:47the sentence I pass is one of 12 months in prison
34:52Mrs. Gaines
35:00no doubt the real punishment for you is to bear the loss of your daughter
35:06you have my deepest sympathy
35:11the sentence is wholly suspended for two years
35:18you might as well have congratulated her on hitting a major item
35:42does that judge have any idea what he just did in there
35:45we go through all this and for what
35:47so you can hand a get out of jail free card to every knife wielding maniac who cries provocation
35:53maybe not
35:54Alicia
35:59just to let you know we found out
36:02Kaylee Gaines was treated for heroin addiction last year
36:06maybe she went one step further when the GP called time
36:09no pain for this
36:10maybe but it's not the what
36:12it's the weir and it was at the grovewood rehab clinic
36:15so she went to grovewood
36:16but the child's over what does it matter
36:19well she had company
36:21Nick Colton's boss Faris Andreo also dried out at the grovewood
36:25Kaylee Gaines and Faris Andreo both went through rehab last year
36:35Kaylee was NHS funded
36:38so Faris Andreo knew that Kaylee Gaines had a daughter
36:42whatever he knew about her personal life didn't need to come from the sessions
36:47they had an affair
36:49they broke cardinal rule
36:51we asked them to leave
36:54she had to know Andreo was Nick Colton's boss
36:59do you think all three of them were involved
37:03it'd be a hell of a coincidence if they weren't
37:06why else hide it
37:08the Italian doctor had the hots for me
37:14I knocked her back
37:16she got it in her head
37:16I was getting it on McKaylee
37:18who you forgot to mention that you knew
37:20we know you've been inside
37:23if it's hex evasion
37:26why Collister
37:27and is that where you met Nick Colton
37:29when he was in prison
37:30we were pad mates
37:31till he pissed the screws off
37:33and got gasted out of Ashbridge
37:34and after that what
37:35you became pen pals then did you
37:36he came knocking on my door
37:38looking for a job
37:39I felt sorry for him
37:40and you often employ
37:42convicted rapists do you
37:44what are you talking about
37:47the young woman Nick Colton raped
37:49she woke up and found him sitting on the end of her bed
37:53no
37:54he wouldn't
37:56he did
37:57he tied her up
37:59he gagged her
38:01would you believe
38:02just to stop her screaming
38:03so her flatmates wouldn't hear
38:04and then he raped her
38:05Colton was in for fraud
38:11he swindled some insurance company
38:13well if you bought that story
38:15the only one being swindled
38:17Ferris was you
38:17he'd have been on the rule
38:18wouldn't he
38:19the nonce's wing
38:20well maybe he had friends
38:21friends like you
38:23just turn a blind eye
38:25no you have to believe me
38:26if I'd have only raped anyone
38:28I wouldn't have given them
38:29a time of day
38:29let alone a job
38:30you're facing quite a few charges
38:32here Ferris
38:33look I didn't know
38:33he was an honest
38:33you've got to believe me
38:34they kidnap
38:35conspiracy to murder
38:36perverting the course of justice
38:38to thine own self be true
38:44and it must follow
38:46as the night of the day
38:48thou canst not then
38:51be false to any man
38:53I mean that quote from Hamlet
38:56gets us through another day
38:57doesn't it
38:58be honest for themselves
39:00and we can stay sober
39:02you've got to be honest
39:05with others too
39:05haven't you Ferris
39:07only then
39:10I'll be truly healed
39:11so
39:14what have you and Kaylee Gaines
39:17been hiding from us
39:18I owed her
39:26he kicked her hungry out
39:30because of me
39:31but I only gave a new
39:36cards for him
39:36and I swear to god
39:40that is all I did
39:41okay for the tape
39:43Ferris Andreau
39:45who
39:45did you give Nick Carlton's
39:48telephone number to
39:49Kaylee
39:54it was all Kaylee
39:58she said she wanted Nick Carlton
40:02to do something for her
40:03could she have hired Carlton
40:08to snatch Jodie
40:09why would she
40:11Kaylee
40:13be straight with us
40:15Ian Ferris
40:17it's just a fling
40:22he reckons you and Nick Carlton
40:25were in it together
40:27what
40:29why would he say that
40:33he's lying
40:37why is he doing this to me
40:44Ferris reckons that you
40:46were trying to get back
40:47at Lenny
40:47because he wouldn't let you
40:50see Jodie
40:50will we get on
40:52me and Lenny
40:55Kaylee
40:55how can you even think
41:00what mum
41:07could do that
41:10to her own
41:11kid
41:11do you think she's telling
41:14the truth
41:15what do you think
41:19could it be an act
41:21honestly I don't know
41:25so what now
41:27you want to know if someone's telling the truth
41:31you talk to the person who knows them best
41:33do you
41:37really think
41:40Kaylee did this
41:42I'm sorry
41:48I can't take this in
41:52of the trial
41:55you swore
41:58she was a good mother
41:59she was hurting
42:05enough
42:06just said what her barrister told me to say
42:11what didn't you say
42:16Lenny
42:16there was this time
42:21she was late bringing Jodie back
42:2412 hours late
42:26Kaylee had taken her down to Hastings
42:28locked her up in some hole of a B&B
42:31and gone off to
42:32to school
42:37she was using again
42:41Jodie was terrified
42:43she said it was like mummy was asleep
42:46with her eyes open
42:47so I stopped the visit
42:49you should have told the police
42:54no
42:56no
42:59please
43:03God
43:04tell me she's not involved
43:06I mean I saw
43:07these interviewers
43:09the appeal
43:10she was shaking
43:11with grief
43:12it wasn't grief
43:14it was withdrawn
43:17but why would she stop using
43:19just when she needed it most
43:21the stress must have been enormous
43:22it wouldn't have any choice
43:24the minute Jodie was reported missing
43:27she had family liaison officers
43:29with her day and night
43:30oh why didn't we see it
43:31the thing about addicts is
43:33they make very good liars
43:35the police knew it was someone close
43:37they just got the wrong parent
43:39the question is why
43:40what could possibly drive her
43:44to have her own daughter kidnapped
43:46Kaylee
43:47that mobile phone
43:53was found in your flat
43:54hidden
43:55inside a resealed milk car
43:58the phone is registered
43:59to a Mrs. Gemma Miller
44:01now we've been in touch
44:02with Mrs. Miller
44:03and she confirms
44:04that she sold the phone
44:06via an online auction site
44:07to a Kaylee Gaines
44:09this
44:11is a record
44:15of the call traffic
44:16between that mobile phone
44:18and Nick Colton's
44:20we also know
44:21that you were texting
44:22each other
44:23like a couple of teenagers
44:25the week Jodie went missing
44:27well I did buy that phone
44:29yeah
44:30but it was nicked
44:31the day I got it
44:33maybe Faris took it
44:35I was thinking
44:36Faris
44:37and Nick Colton
44:38maybe they was in on it together
44:40the problem here Kaylee
44:41is that we can tell
44:44the location of the calls
44:46as well as the phone
44:47that they came from
44:48the calls
44:49from your phone
44:50came
44:51from your flat
44:54so
45:00you see Kaylee
45:02we know
45:03you're involved
45:03Kaylee
45:11alright
45:13it was only
45:34supposed to hide her
45:35Kaylee
45:37I was in on it
45:38I was in on it
45:38I was in on it
45:39I was in on it
45:41Kaley hired a sex offender to snatch Jodie off the street and keep her hidden for six
46:08days. That's kidnap, false imprisonment and the child cruelty involved makes it unlawful
46:14act mansel. Hang on though, Jodie died as a result of being gagged. Are we saying that
46:20Kaley knew Carton would gag Jodie? We can add perverting the course of justice to that
46:25list because the woman is a born liar. So we charge her of all four offences? Yes, but
46:30if we do, we do it right. She will change the story ten times before she gets into that
46:36witness box. You need to corroborate these witnesses. Mrs. Carton, the police are going
46:44to charge you with assisting an offender. Oh, that's rich. Lock me up, a pensioner. Oh, that
46:56murdering bitch walks around free as you like. Did your son, did he tell you why Kaley Gaines
47:05wanted Jodie kidnapped? The more you can tell us about her involvement, the greater chance
47:20we have of putting her behind bars. If Nick said anything. After the girl got sick, Nick said
47:36he called Mrs. Gaines, he called Mrs. Gaines, told her that he needed a doctor. He wanted
47:44to take her himself, but she, Mrs. Gaines, she said no. Said they'd both get sent down if anyone
47:54found out. Nick told Mrs. Gaines that the girl was crying and making a lot of noise. She said,
48:05she said, tape her mouth up. Stop her whining.
48:12There was only meant to be a week. A fortnight talked. You were prepared to let a total stranger
48:28look after Jodie for two weeks. Well, it was a nice flat. She had everything she needed.
48:35Telly, exports the lot. Nick Carlton was a convicted rapist, wasn't he? Yeah, but he never touched
48:44her, did he? The police said she weren't abused. You stabbed Nick Carlton to cover up your involvement,
48:51didn't you? Stabbed him because he killed my little girl. The papers call me a hero. I'm still the same person. Yes. Yes, you are. Why did you get
48:58Nick Carlton to kidnap Jodie? Why did you get Nick Carlton to kidnap Jodie?
49:05It was Faris. It was his idea. When Nicky goes missing, he was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man.
49:12He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He was a man. He
49:42If there was a happy ending, papers would pay a fortune.
49:48You put Jodie's life at risk just so you could sell your story.
49:54Well, didn't I kill her, did I?
49:56Kayleigh, make me understand why you would risk her life.
50:00What did you need the money for?
50:12I wanted to be a proper mum.
50:25The kind I never had.
50:36She grew inside me, all safe.
50:40And then, the minute she was born, it all went wrong.
50:52Lenny just took her away from me.
50:56He just took over.
51:06I kept trying to find my way back, but I couldn't.
51:10I needed the money to pay for rehab.
51:24I was all booked in.
51:28I was going to get clean so I could be with Jodie again.
51:35Then why didn't you do it the right way, the normal way?
51:38Get clean and then prove yourself to the courts.
51:41Well, how?
51:42Now, the NHS wouldn't fund me twice.
51:47I begged for help.
51:49I screamed and shouted for it.
51:52But nobody listened.
51:54Because people like you, like her...
52:00But all of you, you don't see me.
52:04I'm that bit of shit on the pavement.
52:14You step around so you don't mess up your shoes.
52:17I was going to get clean and take her away.
52:24We were going to a beaver, me and Jodie.
52:28Far away from London and Lenny and the drugs.
52:33So we could be together.
52:35So I could be her mum again.
52:38You were going to take that little girl away from the only loving parents she knew.
52:43I loved her more than he did.
52:45You didn't think twice about the trauma of being snatched off the street by a total stranger, did you?
52:50No, it wasn't like that.
52:51You didn't lose a wink of sleep at the thought of Jodie.
52:53Shoved in the back of her van, tied up her mouth, taped shut, did you?
52:57No, you're wrong.
52:57And all because you wanted to be a proper mum again.
53:07You don't deserve to be a mum.
53:13You don't deserve to be a mum.
53:43You don't deserve to be a mum.