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Haunted Michigan, Episode 1: Kat Tedsen, Heather Childers, Nicole Beauchamp

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00:00:01Haunted Michigan Terrifying Tales.
00:00:05Hey everybody, welcome to Haunted Michigan.
00:00:08Throughout the whole month of October, we're going to take you through all the scariest and haunted places our state has to offer
00:00:14with some of the experts that know them best.
00:00:16Coming up here on this episode, we're going to talk to author Nicole Beauchamp.
00:00:20She wrote books called Haunted Bay City as well as Haunted Detroit, and she's got some pretty spooky stories to tell.
00:00:26Plus, Chicks and Spirits own Heather Childers.
00:00:29She's from the east side of Detroit, and yeah, she'll give us some spooky chills as well.
00:00:34But first, we're going to talk with Kat Tenson.
00:00:36She's also an author of Haunted Travels of Michigan Volumes 1, 2, and 3, and she's got some awesome stories to tell.
00:00:44Check out her website, hauntedtravelsmichigan.com.
00:00:47Without further ado, Haunted Michigan begins with Kat.
00:00:51Haunted Michigan, it's Meltdown here with Kat Tenson.
00:00:55Kat, good to see you. How are you doing?
00:00:57I'm doing all right. Thanks for having me on.
00:01:00Yeah, we're going to get spooky here in just a second.
00:01:02Oh, yeah.
00:01:03Off the air, yeah. So Haunted Travels of Michigan Volumes 1, 2, and 3. Those are your books, so tell everybody a little bit about those.
00:01:10Well, that started way back in 2007, and we've since then traveled tens of thousands of miles around Michigan, investigating and researching hundreds of cases.
00:01:22Last count was like 350 or more, and that's just in Michigan, because I've traveled across the U.S. too.
00:01:29And after all that, we collected about 34, 35 cases we couldn't explain.
00:01:36And that represents the compilation of the Haunted Travels of Michigan case.
00:01:41They're the most compelling cases we investigated.
00:01:44Okay, so yeah, so these 35 are still unexplained.
00:01:49Right, you know, and we do a lot of research. We're very objective, really skeptical. I mean, when you think we investigated all those cases and came up with 34, 35, we couldn't explain.
00:02:01Eh, we're pretty objective. So, yeah, that's if you're looking for the most haunted, it's Haunted Travels of Michigan trilogy.
00:02:08Yeah. So, in your estimation, is Michigan, I mean, you know, we're here, I guess.
00:02:13Is Michigan one of the most haunted places around, or what state would you think, or where in the United States?
00:02:20Well, I have traveled around the U.S., and I can't say I've investigated the states as thoroughly as Michigan.
00:02:27So, I'm not going to comment on the other states, but I will say that Michigan has a lot of paranormal activity.
00:02:34It just doesn't have the history that some of the other states have, like I've been to Philadelphia and Gettysburg, and of course, you know, there's all kinds of history there.
00:02:43And I've been to the Deep South. They've been to the Myrtles Plantation, Louisiana. I've investigated a lot of plantations.
00:02:49So, there's a lot of history there. So, it's hard to say, but my specialty is Michigan, and there are quite a few cases here that were very compelling.
00:03:00And a lot of them were residential cases, so you're not going to see them in the Haunted Travels of Michigan book series. I don't write about those.
00:03:08Well, Kat, we're super honored to have you here talking about this on Haunted Michigan.
00:03:11Now, it's funny you mentioned Gettysburg, because I had an experience in Gettysburg, as some people may have, you know, may have before.
00:03:19But long story short, we were going to go on one of those ghost tours of the battleground at night and the whole thing.
00:03:25And we were in one of the houses, and we were all up on this third floor, which I guess is closed.
00:03:30The second floor is a bed and breakfast, and the first floor is like a restaurant.
00:03:33They turned into, you know, the parlor into the restaurant, right?
00:03:36Yes.
00:03:37And so, we went up there. It was getting dark. It was around 8.30 or so, and this guy was explaining to us how on this third floor, the soldiers would shoot down the street.
00:03:47And then, when they were killed, they would drag their bodies across the room and put it on the other side.
00:03:52And so, as this guy was talking, this, like, I don't know, 13, 14-year-old kid, he stopped the guy in the middle, and he says, excuse me.
00:04:00And the guy's like, can I help you? There's like 20 of us up there.
00:04:02And I look over, and he says, somebody has their hands on my shoulders.
00:04:05And I assume there was nobody there.
00:04:10Nobody next to him. I'm like, and this kid was like, what is a ghost? I'm like, oh, my gosh.
00:04:15That would be a little unsettling, yes.
00:04:17Yeah, that was pretty wild. So, well, you don't want to comment on the rest of the country, which is fine.
00:04:22So, let's talk about Michigan. So, where do you find the most paranormal activity, or where does a lot of stuff come from?
00:04:29What part of the state?
00:04:29Right. A lot in northwestern Michigan, northwest lower Michigan, like Traverse City, Sleeping Bear Dunes.
00:04:37I've gotten a lot of activity there.
00:04:40Mackinac Island.
00:04:42Of course, everyone considers the Grand Hotel is so haunted, but, you know, I'm not sure that that's true.
00:04:48Mission Point Resort.
00:04:49They claim to be extremely haunted, and I've, in fact, for about five years, my sister, Bev, and I held investigations at Mission Point, and I won't say that it's that haunted, but there is a location there called the Straits Lodge, and that does have some activity associated with it.
00:05:09And Mackinac Island, a lot of people don't consider Fort Holmes, which is a redoubt fort, which is at the very highest part of the island, and it was built to protect Fort Mackinac.
00:05:22That had, we got some very interesting things there, too.
00:05:26And we investigated Fort Mackinac.
00:05:28In fact, we were the first people that were given permission to investigate the fort.
00:05:34And I was a little disappointed that we didn't get more evidence because I was hoping for more, but it's a pretty creepy place.
00:05:41So when you talk about evidence, like, tell us what you're looking for.
00:05:45Well, I'm looking for actually a few things for evidence.
00:05:50Three elements is my key thing.
00:05:52Number one, hopefully you're with somebody else.
00:05:54I always go with at least one other person, so they can either validate something you hear or see, number one.
00:06:01Number two, record it.
00:06:03Record it.
00:06:04Don't expect someone to believe you because you had a feeling, right?
00:06:08And number three, the history.
00:06:10It's all about the history.
00:06:12So if we can get at least two of those elements, hopefully recording it and the history, then I can validate it as a paranormal event.
00:06:22And so does your sister normally go with you?
00:06:23She always has.
00:06:25Unfortunately, my sister was diagnosed with cancer back in 2012, 2012, and she passed in 2015.
00:06:35Sorry to hear that.
00:06:36Yeah, me too.
00:06:37We were, you know, tight.
00:06:38So since then, I've continued on my own.
00:06:42It's not the same, but I have a really good group of people that I work with that help me now on investigation.
00:06:47So we're still going.
00:06:50Now, tell me some of the experiences, like I just told you about the one I had in Gettysburg.
00:06:54And, I mean, is there anything that you can tell us that happened to you yourself that is hard to believe or crazy?
00:07:02Well, yes.
00:07:04There's actually a few, and we don't have time for all of them, so I have to kind of pick and choose.
00:07:08Sure, go ahead.
00:07:09First of all, I've never been afraid.
00:07:10I've never screamed or run out of a place, nothing like that.
00:07:14But there was this place called Sam's Joint in Plainwell, Michigan, which is southwest lower Michigan.
00:07:22Unfortunately, it's torn down now.
00:07:25But we were, it was built in 1833.
00:07:29It was, I think, the Red Brick Inn, and it was a trading post.
00:07:34It was a stagecoach stop.
00:07:35Anyway, we're in the basement, way in the back, and we come across these old safes down there.
00:07:40And they've been blown up, you know, apparently the victim of a robbery.
00:07:44And they were all built in the 1800s.
00:07:47So we're in this area asking EVP questions, electronic voice.
00:07:52Yeah.
00:07:53And the EMF levels start rising like crazy.
00:07:57And I see this light bursting across the top of the room.
00:08:01Now, I don't believe in orbs as spirits.
00:08:04I'm one of those that don't believe it.
00:08:06But this I visually saw, and I thought that curious.
00:08:09And it was shortly after that, that my hand was touched.
00:08:13It wasn't, it wasn't no bleeding, nothing like that.
00:08:16It was just a gentle stroke.
00:08:19And from a small hand, I could feel it.
00:08:22And we got an EVP, none of us heard later on, that said, she's the one.
00:08:28And I don't know what that means.
00:08:30But the voice didn't sound human.
00:08:33It sounded like, you know, she's the one kind of a thing.
00:08:37So that was strange.
00:08:39Now, wait a second.
00:08:39You said you, let me get this straight.
00:08:41You didn't hear it at first, but you caught it later in the tapes.
00:08:44Right.
00:08:45Yeah.
00:08:45I mean, most, most investigations, unlike sometimes on TV, most times you don't have any experiences
00:08:52when you're at the investigation.
00:08:54It's only when you're reviewing the audio or video later that you might record something.
00:08:59So that was the only time I was physically touched.
00:09:02Now, my sister was scratched.
00:09:04The only time I've seen that happen.
00:09:06So I know for a fact it can happen on investigations.
00:09:09It's not just good TV.
00:09:12But that was at Mansfield Reformatory in Ohio.
00:09:15So that's not our topic of discussion, right?
00:09:18But that place, you know, I've been there.
00:09:20Yeah, you have?
00:09:21Yeah.
00:09:21It's closed now.
00:09:23It's intense.
00:09:24Yeah.
00:09:25And apparently, if my memory serves me, you can spend the night there for like 60 bucks.
00:09:30Well, at least when I went there, it was about 10 years ago or something, correct?
00:09:33Oh, okay.
00:09:33Yeah.
00:09:34Back when I was involved, it was $100, which I think is ridiculous.
00:09:39I don't pay for investigations.
00:09:41You know, I don't.
00:09:43But I was there like three or four times where I'd get in around six and I wouldn't leave till
00:09:47dawn.
00:09:48And only one time did I ever record anything.
00:09:52But it was a doozy.
00:09:52It was when my sister was scratched and we recorded an EVP that said, got you.
00:10:00And someone saw a shadow running down.
00:10:03Before all this happened, we saw a shadow running down solitary confinement.
00:10:07And then she got scratched.
00:10:08And then we got the EVP.
00:10:10So I consider that a valid piece of evidence.
00:10:13That is awesome.
00:10:14So you just brought it up, jails.
00:10:16Now, of course, prisons, they're kind of known to be kind of haunted, aren't they?
00:10:21Well, they are.
00:10:21You know, I'm not sure that they are.
00:10:23I have been to a few prisons, Moundsville in West Virginia, Jackson Prison, Old Jackson
00:10:29Prison in Jackson, Michigan.
00:10:31And, you know, some of them are very intense.
00:10:36And I think when something looks dark and creepy like Mansfield or Moundsville, your psyche
00:10:43already starts freaking out.
00:10:45So you sometimes think you experience something when you don't.
00:10:49But we have recorded some pretty interesting things at Jackson Prison.
00:10:53And the most intense place is in the tunnels.
00:10:56I think those tunnels, I don't even know if you can do investigations there anymore.
00:11:01But the tunnels are where they would have prisoners moving from place to place.
00:11:07And they're really small.
00:11:09I'm 5'5".
00:11:10I'm not a very tall person.
00:11:12But even for me in the tunnels, I had to like scoot down and I couldn't reach my hands
00:11:17out.
00:11:18It's very narrow.
00:11:18And they did that so that these prisoners, when they're moving them from location to
00:11:23location, couldn't fight.
00:11:25You know, when you're stooped over and you can't reach your hands out, you can't get a
00:11:29good fight.
00:11:30So that was pretty intense.
00:11:32But sometimes the most creepiest locations are not necessarily the most haunted.
00:11:38We did a case for, it was a private residential case.
00:11:44And this woman had crazy poltergeist activity, which means objects moving.
00:11:50Her whole kitchen was destroyed.
00:11:52We went in her basement.
00:11:54The entire ceiling of her basement had come down.
00:11:58And I don't want to share the whole story.
00:12:01It takes too long.
00:12:02But we identified what the problem was.
00:12:05And it was actually something attached to her.
00:12:07And the home she was in was only two or three years old.
00:12:11And we, you know, we checked the land that was on the land.
00:12:15It was just farmland.
00:12:16So nothing there.
00:12:17But we found out the activity actually connected to her.
00:12:20But anyway, Michigan.
00:12:22Yeah, that was in Michigan.
00:12:24In fact, it was in the Metro Detroit area.
00:12:26Oh, really?
00:12:26Wow.
00:12:27Yeah.
00:12:27You probably know the location.
00:12:31All right.
00:12:31Then I know I don't want to say anything.
00:12:33Don't say anything.
00:12:34No, don't let them guess.
00:12:36All right.
00:12:37Fair enough.
00:12:37Did you write about that in any of your books?
00:12:39Stepping into darkness, we did.
00:12:42That's the only residential case that we ever discussed.
00:12:45Really?
00:12:46We don't give the right names.
00:12:47We don't give the location.
00:12:49But the account of what happened is straight up.
00:12:51So, yeah, that's stepping into darkness.
00:12:54Yeah.
00:12:54Over the weekend, I just went to Bonehead's Barbecue in Willis.
00:12:59I heard that has activity.
00:13:01Yeah.
00:13:01You've never been there, huh?
00:13:02No.
00:13:03Oh, yeah.
00:13:03That's cool.
00:13:04And this time of year, it's really fun.
00:13:06And I guess, you know, getting closer towards, you know, Halloween, they decorate the place.
00:13:11Oh, yeah.
00:13:11They're crazy with everything.
00:13:12But there's also a hotel right down the street.
00:13:14I heard the Willis Inn or the Willis Hotel or something along those lines.
00:13:18I think I was there back in, like, 2008.
00:13:24I'm pretty sure that name rings a bell.
00:13:26I'd have to look.
00:13:27I've investigated so many, I can't remember.
00:13:30But if I was there, we didn't get anything because it's not in my books.
00:13:36Yeah, right.
00:13:36So what about the UP?
00:13:38Is there a lot of places up in UP?
00:13:39There are quite a number of places.
00:13:43Not everything we could record activity.
00:13:45Seshwa Point Lighthouse.
00:13:47We got some incredible things going on at Seshwa.
00:13:51And we went to, there was a horrible disaster in Michigan called the Italian Hall disaster,
00:13:58which is in Calumet, Michigan, which is more in the western section.
00:14:02And that is a very tragic story about Christmas Eve.
00:14:07There were coal miners.
00:14:09They were on strike.
00:14:10They didn't have any money.
00:14:11So the unions kind of pooled whatever money they had and decided to have a Christmas party
00:14:16at the Italian Hall, which is in Calumet.
00:14:19And it was for the children.
00:14:21And they were going to give out little gifts, sing Christmas songs and all that.
00:14:25And they packed way too many people into this little hall.
00:14:28And at some point during that event, someone called fire.
00:14:33Now, back in those days, those places were tender.
00:14:38You know, fire, it would just poof.
00:14:40So everyone panicked and like a giant swell, they turned and rushed toward the single exit.
00:14:46And people started falling and tripping down the stairs and they couldn't get through.
00:14:51And they ended up dying by the score.
00:14:54Most of them were children.
00:14:55So the Italian Hall itself is is gone now.
00:15:00They just have a memorial.
00:15:01But they were taken to the Calumet.
00:15:04The dead, unfortunately, were taken to the Calumet Theater, the older section.
00:15:11And we investigated that.
00:15:13And we did get some interesting evidence at the Calumet.
00:15:16So, yeah, Szechua Point, Calumet of the places I investigated in the UP.
00:15:20We got some interesting things.
00:15:22Yeah.
00:15:22And you say like, you know, kids and little things like that.
00:15:26Can you tell when you're when you're doing this kind of stuff, if it's an older person or a younger person?
00:15:31Or is that kind of you just kind of guessing at that?
00:15:34Well, I would say yes.
00:15:36So far, I've been able to determine a child or in a more of an adult spirit.
00:15:42If we record an EVP and we know a child has died there and the EVP sounds like a child, that's a confirmation.
00:15:51Again, you know, we don't just record something.
00:15:53We look for the history.
00:15:55And there was one case in, I believe it's Waterford, Michigan.
00:15:59And it was the Carriage House Bed and Breakfast.
00:16:01They thought a small child spirit was there because they were short, a short shadow person.
00:16:07They heard like they thought a little boy's voice and a few other things.
00:16:12So we investigated there and we actually recorded one of the clearest EVPs ever.
00:16:18And this was at the end of the investigation.
00:16:21We were sitting in the kitchen of this 1865 house.
00:16:24And most of the team was outside packing their gear.
00:16:28And there was like three or four of us in the kitchen.
00:16:30I always keep my audio recorder on until I'm in the car and we're driving away.
00:16:35So I placed my audio recorder on the table.
00:16:38We're just chatting.
00:16:39And this little boy's voice came in and said, I got chills from the milk.
00:16:44Just out of the air.
00:16:47And it's like, what the heck?
00:16:49Um, and we, it took months of research, but we absolutely found who that little boy was
00:16:56and what those words meant.
00:16:58Um, and that, you know, it gives, it still gives me chills when you can connect that sort
00:17:02of thing together and validate it.
00:17:04Yeah.
00:17:04The hair is standing up on my arms right now.
00:17:07That's crazy.
00:17:08So is there certain times of the year that just has just more, more activity than other
00:17:15times?
00:17:16Actually not.
00:17:17To be very honest with you, um, we have found paranormal activity at all times of the day
00:17:23and the week, um, all seasons.
00:17:26And I know some people say, oh, you know, it's a Halloween time and the, you know, the veil
00:17:31is thinner.
00:17:32I don't know if that's especially true.
00:17:34Um, but I will say this, we have found increased paranormal activity when we can connect a sun flare
00:17:44impacting the earth's atmosphere.
00:17:46And we were doing some research on that.
00:17:50And we found a lot of the cases where we got activity.
00:17:54There had been sun flare impact in the Michigan area.
00:17:58Uh, and, and that includes an investigation we did in Bath, Michigan.
00:18:02That's another disaster, terrible one involving a school bombing and stuff like that.
00:18:07But, uh, we had investigated this for four or five years and it was this one year, one moment
00:18:15in time where we just got incredible EVPs and we found out there had been a sun flare.
00:18:20And at that time we were there, it was supposedly impacting the Michigan area.
00:18:25Um, so anyway, now somebody, uh, if somebody was like, you know, this listing this or watching
00:18:30this and just wanted to go someplace where, you know, you're pretty sure you could get
00:18:35some activity, maybe some chills or whatever.
00:18:37Is there a place you'd suggest?
00:18:39Well, chills can be any place that looks creepy.
00:18:42You know, I mean, you know, if you get a creepy place, you're going to get chills, whether there's
00:18:46something there or not.
00:18:48Um, so, you know, Eloise right now is creepy.
00:18:51I've been there recently.
00:18:53Um, but people need to know the Eloise that's standing right there is the administrative offices.
00:18:59It's not the actual asylum.
00:19:02Um, it did have patients in there, but they weren't the extreme cases.
00:19:07And believe it or not, I know I'm so youthful looking, but when I was, um, uh, a young college
00:19:13student, psych one-on-one, I actually had to go to Eloise for a little bit.
00:19:17That was back in the nineties, by the way.
00:19:19So go ahead.
00:19:19Yeah.
00:19:20Ninety-seven, ninety-eight, something like that, you know, and I can tell you that if there's
00:19:26paranormal activity anywhere, it's going to be in one of the other buildings, but I'm not
00:19:31going to say Eloise today doesn't, um, I didn't experience anything when I was there,
00:19:36but I'm hard, you know, I'm really tough with that, but it is very creepy.
00:19:41So if you want to be creeped out, it's just ugly looking.
00:19:44Um, the other place to go would be trying to think of creepy places.
00:19:50Well, if the tunnels were still open in Jackson, Michigan, but if you want real paranormal
00:19:55activity, here's the kicker.
00:19:58The Whitney restaurant in Detroit, Michigan has reputedly crazy paranormal activity.
00:20:04And that was actually one of the very first places we ever investigated.
00:20:09And I will say that place was crazy, but between the hours of 2 AM and 3 AM, and it was
00:20:17the second floor is, was the epicenter and research, amazing research, months of research.
00:20:24And I think I'm pretty sure I know who's on the second floor and why they're there.
00:20:29Um, but if you can be at the Whitney between 2 and 3, you might get something.
00:20:33There's a piano that goes off almost all the time.
00:20:37Um, yeah, it's, it's pretty crazy.
00:20:40Another place that has activity is, well, it's atmospheric.
00:20:44It's the Terrace Inn in Petoskey, Michigan, and it's perfectly atmospheric because it
00:20:51has the creaking floorboards and it looks like, you know, the late 19, uh, late 19th
00:20:57century, early 20th century.
00:20:59And there is paranormal activity in the dining room, which is really pretty.
00:21:04It's very historical looking.
00:21:05Um, in the wee hours of the morning, you might get activity in the dining room.
00:21:09And if you go into the basement, if they let you down there way in the back of the basement
00:21:15in a side room, we had a baby carriage move there.
00:21:20Um, we believe there's a 14 year old boy who haunts it.
00:21:23The story is in of course our book, but, um, and we captured this great EVP.
00:21:29There had been a group of, well, three people in that back room asking EVP questions.
00:21:33And when they left the audio recorder was stationed there and nothing happened while they were
00:21:42there about 20 seconds after they left, we got this clear EVP from a, sounded like a teenage
00:21:50boy that said fools, my favorite EVP ever.
00:21:58I, uh, I stayed at the, uh, Henderson castle about six months ago.
00:22:03Have you been there?
00:22:04Yes.
00:22:05Yeah.
00:22:05What did you think of that place?
00:22:06I loved it.
00:22:07It's beautiful.
00:22:08But as far as paranormal activity, I got absolutely.
00:22:11Yeah.
00:22:12Right.
00:22:12Yeah.
00:22:12Yeah.
00:22:13They say, Mr.
00:22:13Henderson, uh, walks the ground sometimes or something, you know, it could be just,
00:22:16you know, old ghost stories, but, uh, it's interesting.
00:22:19That's a great place.
00:22:20It is a great place.
00:22:22It is beautiful.
00:22:23And, you know, you don't get design or styling or building like that today.
00:22:27True.
00:22:27So I did enjoy it.
00:22:29Um, yeah, a few.
00:22:30And then there's another place out in Saga Tuck.
00:22:34I went to, God, I can't remember the name of that one, but it's, it's another one where
00:22:39they say they have melon head children walking around and, um, um, uh, Oh felt the felt mansion.
00:22:46That's it.
00:22:46Okay.
00:22:47Beautiful.
00:22:48But we never recorded any activity there, but it's still very cool.
00:22:52Well, I'll tell you what, Kat, this has been a really a pleasure talking to you.
00:22:55Let's give your, uh, your, your, your, uh, engagements to plug in your website.
00:22:58What's your website people cannot check you out at?
00:23:01Sure.
00:23:01It's haunted travels, M I.com.
00:23:05That's haunted travels, M I.
00:23:07And I've got a few things coming up.
00:23:09I'm going to be in, um, I'm going to be doing a few presentations in Lansing this year.
00:23:14So you can go to the capital area district district library and they'll show the events
00:23:19or you can go to the website.
00:23:20I've posted the events there, but I'm going to be at the, um, a Segal library, October
00:23:275th.
00:23:27And I'm going to be in downtown Lansing, October 20th.
00:23:32And I have one zoom presentation kind of fit in there too.
00:23:36Um, but you can check the website.
00:23:38It gives details.
00:23:39And then on November 6th, I'm going to be speaking at the mid Michigan paranormal convention,
00:23:44which is, um, at the casino in Mount Pleasant.
00:23:49Mount Pleasant.
00:23:49Yeah.
00:23:50There you go.
00:23:50So that'll be fun and spooky.
00:23:52So, um, come on out and see me.
00:23:54I got more stories.
00:23:56Excellent.
00:23:56Well, Kat, we, uh, we really appreciate your time.
00:23:59Thank you so much for your time and your knowledge and expertise.
00:24:01Thank you for having me.
00:24:03Up next, it's Heather Childers from Chicks and Spirits.
00:24:10You can check them out all over the internet on all the social media platforms.
00:24:14She's got her own spooky stories to tell of ghost haunts and ghost hunts.
00:24:20And there she is, Heather from Chicks and Spirits.
00:24:22Hey, Heather, how are you?
00:24:24Hi, I'm good.
00:24:25How are you?
00:24:26I'm doing great.
00:24:26Uh, doing well, as a matter of fact, you know, uh, first of all, before we start, I just,
00:24:30uh, I love the, the support for the, uh, the Vietnam veterans of America.
00:24:34And did I see your email earlier that you're a recruiter as well?
00:24:38Uh, no, for them.
00:24:40No, no, no.
00:24:40I just, I started doing the food drive every Christmas after my father passed away because
00:24:46he was a vet and it was just something I wanted to do to remember him each year instead
00:24:51of like being sad around Christmas.
00:24:53So I kind of put this food drive together every year.
00:24:56So, you know, with a couple of VA, uh, the V I'm sorry.
00:25:00With this, the veterans of America with them, we partner with them because they have a Christmas
00:25:05program that they do.
00:25:06So I'm like, well, let's just do this all together.
00:25:08So we started helping pair other paranormal groups kind of like get involved with us.
00:25:14We raise a lot of food.
00:25:15I mean, mind you, this is, we're going into our fourth year.
00:25:17So I'm trying to build on this as we are small, you know what I mean?
00:25:20But we've been able to get a U-Haul full of food, um, a good amount of money for them.
00:25:25And I just want to keep growing every year.
00:25:27So this is a real passion for me to really give back to the veterans because their food
00:25:31drive it's needed.
00:25:33You know, these other pantries, they get a lot of attention and this one really doesn't
00:25:38get that much attention.
00:25:39So it's like, let's put some light on it.
00:25:41I have a little bit of a platform with, you know, the paranormal group that I have.
00:25:45So if I can do anything positive with that, giving back to the veterans is a passion of
00:25:50mine and everybody else that's in my team.
00:25:53So you definitely hit me up on near Christmas time.
00:25:55Cause I love to donate and help you out a little bit.
00:25:57Oh, I would love that.
00:25:58It would mean so much to us.
00:25:59So, and them, big, big need over there for sure.
00:26:02No doubt.
00:26:02So you just talked about your passion being that, and also your passion, the, uh, the
00:26:06paranormal.
00:26:06So chicks and spirits, you know, as I started this project, I realized there was a lot of women
00:26:12that are into this kind of stuff, huh?
00:26:13Oh yeah.
00:26:15Yeah.
00:26:16It's great.
00:26:16Like when I started doing this, it was me and a few friends and it's kind of like, you
00:26:21know, I'm, I'm older.
00:26:22I'm just gonna put it out there.
00:26:23Not really into like the bar scene and stuff like that.
00:26:26So I'm like, well, let's find something that we can do besides going to a bar.
00:26:29So I kind of put this together.
00:26:31Like I kind of mapped out little urban legends in our area and we went out on a girl's night
00:26:35out and I'm like, this was so much fun.
00:26:38Like, let's just do this all the time.
00:26:40So, so then I just started this and you know, more women have came out.
00:26:44I was kind of just like, Hey, anybody that wants to come aboard, let's do this.
00:26:47And it just started building and building.
00:26:49And then, but having a lot of women to kind of, or, you know, organize became a lot, maybe
00:26:56not so many.
00:26:56So then we started doing events and everything.
00:26:59I'm like, how about everybody just come out to the event and we'll do stuff like that.
00:27:02And I'll kind of minimize how many people are actually on the team.
00:27:06Cause it's a lot to organize.
00:27:07So I keep up.
00:27:08I believe so.
00:27:10So how long have you been like doing the paranormal thing?
00:27:13I know just before we started, you said you've been doing it, you know, for a long time,
00:27:16but I mean, how long?
00:27:17This group I've had for about almost four years now.
00:27:20Okay.
00:27:21So yeah.
00:27:21But you started this back when you were a kid, like you started becoming, you know,
00:27:26interested in this kind of thing, correct?
00:27:28Oh yeah.
00:27:28My mother, she was a psychic and a lot of weird things that I've seen.
00:27:33And, you know, it just, it seems like it always follows me that no matter what, I can't leave
00:27:38this.
00:27:39Something's always going to be like, no, come on back, come on back.
00:27:42So I'm like, okay, this is what I like to do.
00:27:44It's interesting.
00:27:45And I really just like being a part of this, being a part of the community.
00:27:49And I didn't realize how much there was until like, I started doing this.
00:27:53I'm like, there's a whole world out there of this.
00:27:55So I was like, I don't feel like such a weirdo.
00:27:57I have other weirdos out here that like are just like me and I felt awesome.
00:28:01So yeah, it's a good thing.
00:28:03Are you into horror movies and stuff too?
00:28:05Oh yeah.
00:28:06Oh yeah.
00:28:06I am how I'm, I always say I'm the pumpkin queen.
00:28:09I am Halloween 24, seven all year long.
00:28:12People are like, when do you start decorating for Halloween?
00:28:15I'm like, um, that's just my house.
00:28:17It's like, when do you like, you don't like, so yeah.
00:28:21And all of that.
00:28:23So we've been talking with people, of course, and this is about like the haunted places in
00:28:27Michigan.
00:28:27So have you been to a lot of places around Michigan?
00:28:30Just to preface this by telling everyone right now that you're on the east side of Detroit.
00:28:35So have you been all around Michigan?
00:28:37Yes.
00:28:38We've, it seems like there's really not much close.
00:28:41So we do travel out.
00:28:43So we've been all over the place.
00:28:45We've been up to Houghton Lake.
00:28:46We've been, you know, in Detroit, we've been, you know, eating township.
00:28:51We're all over the place.
00:28:52So we just, wherever we find something, you know, we've, we just go and we just, we look
00:28:57up the, you know, some of us look up the story.
00:28:59Some people don't want to know till they get there, but we kind of just, you know, see
00:29:02what we can get into and just go.
00:29:05And a lot of times we find a lot of owners that they're trying to like re, you know, re-establish
00:29:10their place, build it up, make it nice again.
00:29:12And I really love that.
00:29:13So when I find places like that, that actually invest into these old structures, then, you
00:29:19know, we really go out of our way to help these locations too, to see what we can do
00:29:22to raise money.
00:29:23Because, you know, like the sixth precinct, we, unfortunately that, you know, owner passed
00:29:28away, but when they were going, when he was going, we did a fundraiser for him and raise
00:29:34money to help him get a hot water tank.
00:29:35So we do things.
00:29:37And with that one, I was kind of afraid of cornfields.
00:29:40I'm not a big fan.
00:29:41So everybody's like, you know, what would be awesome?
00:29:43Let's raise money and throw Heather in a cornfield by herself.
00:29:45And I'm like, I mean, fine.
00:29:47If it's to help out, sure.
00:29:49So we did.
00:29:50And I did.
00:29:52So, but you know, like I said, I like to do good things for people, even if it means
00:29:57I suffer.
00:29:58Yeah.
00:29:58Malachi and children of the corn are not one of your favorites, right?
00:30:01Yes.
00:30:01No.
00:30:02Have you seen it?
00:30:03Did you watch the movie Pearl yet?
00:30:04Have you seen that?
00:30:05No.
00:30:06Is it cornfields?
00:30:07There's a, there's a cornfield scene in there.
00:30:08Yes.
00:30:09Very much so.
00:30:11I did not conquer my fear.
00:30:12I'll tell you that.
00:30:13That's what I was supposed to do.
00:30:14And they're like, you want to do it again?
00:30:15I'm like, no, I don't like them.
00:30:16I don't like where I can't see if someone's going to shank me.
00:30:19Like, I'm just not a fan of that.
00:30:21Little kids.
00:30:22I got you.
00:30:22I got you.
00:30:22Yeah.
00:30:23Like not a fan.
00:30:24So as far as traveling around, I've been asking everybody, have you had an experience
00:30:28yourself or multiple experiences?
00:30:31Yeah, we've had multiple, multiple experiences.
00:30:35Um, the one I'm sharing tonight is going to be Stimson hospital.
00:30:39And, and refresh our memory.
00:30:41Where, what part of the, uh, of the state is that in?
00:30:43That is like Eaton township out there.
00:30:45So whereabouts is that?
00:30:47Do your, do your hand thing.
00:30:48Oh gosh.
00:30:49I don't even know.
00:30:49I'm not good at that stuff.
00:30:51Um, we'll have to look it up.
00:30:52So we, okay, I could be totally wrong.
00:30:54I know the owners, Pam and Chris are going to be like, Heather, seriously, but, but I
00:31:00love this location.
00:31:01If people want to look it up, they can actually like go to Facebook and just put in Stimson
00:31:05hospital and get all the details.
00:31:07They actually run tours out of here.
00:31:09Cause they're, you know, building this place up too.
00:31:11So, but we were there, we've been there a few times and, um, I, I shared with you a picture
00:31:18that I got there.
00:31:19So I was, you know, this, this was a house.
00:31:21Well, first it was someone, it was a house for like 40 years and then it was turned into
00:31:25a hospital.
00:31:26So we're talking not like a normal hospital.
00:31:29This is like an old, old hospital.
00:31:30So it has a morgue.
00:31:32I mean, we have everything in here.
00:31:33Right.
00:31:34So we go in here.
00:31:35It was a house first.
00:31:36Yes.
00:31:37For about 40 years, this was a house.
00:31:39And then it was bought and they turned it into like a, about 1919, they turned it into
00:31:44a hospital.
00:31:45Okay.
00:31:45So the doctor that actually was there, there was two doctors there.
00:31:49And the one about six months after he was at this location, Dr. Blanchard was his name.
00:31:54He actually fell, um, down an elevator shaft right on it, right at, right on its head.
00:32:01Sorry guys to be gruesome, but, um, and obviously was deceased.
00:32:05And so, and a lot of deaths took place in this one location, like over 2000 and they
00:32:10would house like women, you know, giving C-sections and back then, you know, like a
00:32:15lot of those, the mothers and the children didn't always make it, you know, out of that.
00:32:20So a lot of deaths took place here.
00:32:22So on this particular night that we were there, you know, we're completely lights out.
00:32:27I'm just taking pictures in the corner.
00:32:29And, and I try to tell people like, when you're doing this stuff, it's kind of like a stake
00:32:33out, you know, not all the time you're going to get something.
00:32:36So you just got to be patient, you know?
00:32:38And I'm sitting there and take a picture, take it.
00:32:41And all of a sudden this picture pops up and it's a, it's like a full person.
00:32:44So I'm like, I'm not going to lie.
00:32:47I love doing this stuff.
00:32:48But when I do catch something, I'm like, turn the lights on.
00:32:50Like, I mean, I do get a little freaked out.
00:32:53I'm going to keep it real.
00:32:54So I was like, turn, turn the lights on.
00:32:56So we turn the lights and I'm like, look what I got.
00:32:58And then it like, I put it on my Facebook and stuff and everybody's been in a big debate
00:33:03about this picture because they're like, some people think it's a geriatric patient.
00:33:07I think it looks like a pregnant woman.
00:33:09It's just circulated.
00:33:10And it's like, just been a, it's a very interesting picture that was like very intense that we
00:33:16got.
00:33:16I've never caught anything.
00:33:18Like I've seen shadows.
00:33:19We've seen things, but to actually catch something on film like that, it was pretty,
00:33:24pretty amazing for me.
00:33:25And how long ago was that?
00:33:26Oh, probably about two years ago was that one.
00:33:31And then it, we went back and we were able to get additional.
00:33:36I mean, there's just, this place is always, it's always very interesting is what I like
00:33:39to say about locations.
00:33:41And that's in Eaton.
00:33:43So you go on these tours and stuff and you saw this and you took the picture, but when
00:33:48you're on the tours with these other people and stuff, are other people getting, have you
00:33:51ever been around where people have been touched or, you know, things have happened, you
00:33:55know, with other people in your group?
00:33:57Well, when we, we actually host a lot of tours.
00:33:59So when people come out to our tours, um, there is a lot of, like we, we like to, you
00:34:05know, the activity, we give people tools to use because I always tell people I can do
00:34:11this a million times, you know, all day long and tell you guys everything, but until you
00:34:14actually experience it, does it become real to you?
00:34:17So I try to, when people are on tours, give them certain tools that they can use.
00:34:21Um, dowsing rods are big with my team.
00:34:24They're kind of like back in the day, they were used to find water and it kind of like
00:34:27is a way for spirits to communicate with people.
00:34:30So, um, that's really big with our group is the dowsing rods.
00:34:34Stop that for one second.
00:34:35So explain to people that don't know what that is.
00:34:36Is that something you put on over the ground?
00:34:38I think I know what you're talking about, but what, show me, show me like what, what,
00:34:41what you mean?
00:34:41Okay.
00:34:41So they're like two, they kind of look like antennas, I guess, but like turned straight
00:34:46out.
00:34:46So they're like, kind of like sticks.
00:34:47So you hold them up and you ask questions and they'll, they'll swing.
00:34:51So like, if it's yes, you kind of establish your yes or no's.
00:34:54So when you're asking a question and it's okay, yes, it'll swing.
00:34:58No, it'll open up.
00:35:00Sometimes it won't do nothing.
00:35:02Like I said, we can't, you know, you can only do what you can do if something wants to
00:35:06communicate with you.
00:35:07So, but the dowsing rods are really nice, but it's really, you got to make sure.
00:35:11Cause they were back in the day used to find water and stuff like that.
00:35:14So you have to always make sure what you're using, where your location is.
00:35:18You know what I mean?
00:35:19You got to figure out your elements so you can make sure that nothing's kind of really
00:35:22false, but those are a real nice one.
00:35:24Like we really like using the dowsing rods and people get a lot of, a lot of experiences.
00:35:28A lot of people, like we've done things where we've had to take people out because they
00:35:32started, you know, getting sick.
00:35:34You know, I won't get too graphic, but like things happen to people when they're out on these
00:35:38things.
00:35:39So we always tell people, be careful, you know, make sure, even though it's, we always
00:35:42try to say like this entertainment, but things do get real out there for people.
00:35:46And we just tell people when they come out, you know, take it seriously.
00:35:50Don't come in here.
00:35:51Like we've had people trying to mess around next thing, you know, the guy that didn't
00:35:55believe is puking in the corner because something touched him and now he's freaked out.
00:35:59So I'm like, told you, be careful out here, you know?
00:36:02So, but it's, it's a, it's very interesting.
00:36:05It's very interesting what people catch.
00:36:07And I enjoy when people do, cause then they'll, they'll message us back after the tour, after
00:36:11they go through their stuff and be like, Oh my God, look what we got.
00:36:14Look at this picture.
00:36:15And, and just for them to have that moment.
00:36:17It's, it's very, I love that.
00:36:19You know what I mean?
00:36:20I love that people can experience these things.
00:36:22Now you host the tours.
00:36:23Do you go on anybody else's tours around the state?
00:36:26Um, truthfully at this time, I haven't been able to, because I, if I do, I'm usually helping
00:36:33my friends with their tours or, or kind of tagging along, but, um, I just, it gets so
00:36:39busy during this season for me.
00:36:41So it's like, when I got into this stuff, it kind of just started taking off that I've
00:36:45always kind of had something going on.
00:36:47So I try like right away, I was hosting events and how Houghton Lake, like right away.
00:36:52And I'm just, it's just been going.
00:36:53And so I try to get out to people's events, but yeah, it's hard, but I, I do go with a
00:36:59lot of my friends, like DPX and stuff like that.
00:37:02When they, they're doing tours, they'll always say, Hey, you know, come check out this location
00:37:06with us and, and we'll host tours too.
00:37:09And we just all kind of work together and just help out these locations.
00:37:14What was the, uh, the, the most frightened you've been in an experience?
00:37:18Um, well, it wasn't actually doing that like before the team was established.
00:37:24Actually, I was in, um, can I talk about another state?
00:37:27Yeah.
00:37:27I guess you can.
00:37:29Sure.
00:37:29Okay.
00:37:30So I was actually with my kids.
00:37:32We went out to this horror convention called horror hounds out in Indiana.
00:37:36And we stayed at this like Airbnb out there.
00:37:39And, and, and it was like, kind of like the house was a little, you know, whatever, a little
00:37:43weird.
00:37:43But so I'm sleeping when my son comes down and borrows a charger and I'm like, okay.
00:37:49And then I like, I'm go to sleep and I feel like somebody pressing over me and they're
00:37:54staring at me.
00:37:54So I'm like, look up.
00:37:56And I'm like, I don't need the charger back.
00:37:57Like, just go ahead.
00:37:59And he wouldn't like leave.
00:38:00And I'm like, what do you want?
00:38:01Like to my kid, I'm like, what, go to bed, you know?
00:38:03And then he gets up and starts like, he gets off the cat, like his hands off the couch
00:38:07and starts walking towards the kitchen.
00:38:09And I'm like, what are you doing?
00:38:10So I started following him and I'm like, Hey, you know, Cody, my son.
00:38:15And I'm like, what are you doing?
00:38:16Like, why are you going to the kitchen?
00:38:17And I'm literally following what I thought was him.
00:38:20I turned on the light and there was nothing there.
00:38:22So, so I'm like, did somebody just sneak in this?
00:38:24So I checked the doors.
00:38:26I'm like, was somebody just in this house?
00:38:28Everything was locked.
00:38:29So I did what everybody does.
00:38:31When you're scared, you go back and you put the covers over your head and you force field
00:38:35yourself into safety.
00:38:37So that's kind of what I did.
00:38:39And the next morning I was like, I told the kids and everybody, they're like, Oh my God,
00:38:43I didn't want to tell you this, but like, I really felt like somebody was staring at me
00:38:47and I'm like, why wouldn't you tell me that?
00:38:48Like, that should have been day one.
00:38:50We talked about this.
00:38:51You know what I mean?
00:38:52It's like rule number one.
00:38:53Right.
00:38:54Exactly.
00:38:54Yeah.
00:38:55Like, come on, man.
00:38:56So that was very scary because I'm like, it was literally over me.
00:39:00And when I, the realization that nothing was there freaked me out.
00:39:03So I was like, that was really scary.
00:39:05And now I want to go back there though.
00:39:07Now that I'm like, I'm a trained professional.
00:39:12Yeah.
00:39:13So, uh, so, so since you're so close to Detroit, do you spend a lot of time down there doing
00:39:18this kind of stuff?
00:39:19I mean, I used to, when the sixth precinct was going and we've done stuff with like,
00:39:24well, Eloise is like Westland, but we would do stuff over there.
00:39:27And that's basically like, we do some residentials over here.
00:39:31Like people will contact us and say, Hey, you know, something's going on in my house.
00:39:35I really have to know the person to do something like that.
00:39:38You know, I'm not just gonna, you know, for people out there listening, can't just go
00:39:41in everybody's house.
00:39:42But, um, you know, yeah.
00:39:43So we would do some residentials out here.
00:39:45Cause some of these houses are very old.
00:39:47They have a lot of stories and I mean, some of those have been more interesting than some
00:39:53of the places we've gone to.
00:39:54So we've actually, we do a lot, we do a lot and it's interesting and fun at times, scary
00:40:01at times, your adrenaline gets up.
00:40:03It's, it's definitely interesting.
00:40:05Now, when you're doing these tours, of course, uh, first of all, like explain like a typical
00:40:10tour, how many people are with your tour and then how long does it usually last?
00:40:14Um, I mean, it varies with us.
00:40:16Like it depends on the location.
00:40:17Cause sometimes our tours go, um, if we have a huge location, we may spread it out a little
00:40:23bit longer.
00:40:23So people will spend time with us, maybe about an hour or hour and a half with us going through
00:40:28everything.
00:40:29And then we kind of let them free roam themselves.
00:40:31I mean, there's been tours where I've, we've done it for about two hours going around to
00:40:35locations and then let people kind of free roam for an hour.
00:40:38So about three hours with us.
00:40:40And then, you know, we let them at any time, you know, use our stuff and, you know, but
00:40:46we want to show them like, this is how things are.
00:40:48But we tell people like, like I said, it's kind of like a stakeout.
00:40:52It's not always going to be so active because people will come and they'll be like, uh, make
00:40:57the ghost, uh, wriggle some stuff around.
00:41:00And we're like, it doesn't work like that.
00:41:03Like I'm not a ghost whisper.
00:41:05Like, just like, I'm just here trying to, you know, have some fun.
00:41:09Like if it happens, it happens, but people will get mad.
00:41:11They'll be like, well, why haven't the spirits come?
00:41:13And I'm like, you gotta wait it out.
00:41:17Like, maybe they're sleeping.
00:41:18Who knows?
00:41:19So I don't want to talk right now.
00:41:20Have you given, have you given tours where, where people have done, done, you know, the
00:41:24free roam thing and, and just have come back, like, just like, you know, on, you know, and
00:41:28just mesmerized by what they saw or felt or whatever.
00:41:31Oh yeah.
00:41:32We've had, and a lot of times when we actually do let them free roam, they still stay right
00:41:36by us because they still like, well, how's that?
00:41:39You know, but usually people, when they do, they, they love the pictures they get.
00:41:43They'll come back and be like, look at this, look at this, look at this.
00:41:45And, oh, something touched me or something, this, and, and they really get very excited
00:41:50about that.
00:41:50And they're very, I've never had anybody leave our tour and say, yeah, I still don't believe
00:41:56like I skeptics are usually like, wow.
00:41:59Like, yes, that's definitely, I always say interesting.
00:42:02Cause I don't want to always call something what it may not be, but interesting.
00:42:06If I can't debunk it or anything like that, it becomes, it goes into the interesting file.
00:42:11So, yeah.
00:42:13So, so when, when you're, when you're given these tours and stuff, I mean, have you had
00:42:17like, like, like I asked before, like people touched or anything like that?
00:42:20Yes.
00:42:20I mean, people do get touched.
00:42:22We've had people where they feel like somebody grabbed their hand and started holding their
00:42:25hands and they freak out.
00:42:27And I guess the people get sick sometimes.
00:42:29I mean, you, you never know what you're going to, what you're going to go into when you
00:42:33have a tour, but I mean, people always remember it.
00:42:37They remember that night they had with their friends.
00:42:39That's for sure.
00:42:40Cause it's something interesting is happening to them.
00:42:42So, and by the way, when you say Houghton Lake, is that the Houghton Lake down here or
00:42:46up, up in the UP?
00:42:48Up North, only about four, four, four hours away from me.
00:42:52Okay.
00:42:52So down in the lower part of Michigan?
00:42:54Yeah.
00:42:55I mean, I guess like, it's not all the way up at the UP, but it's up there.
00:42:58All right.
00:42:58There's a Houghton Lake way up there too.
00:43:00I don't know why we can't figure out different names for lakes around here.
00:43:03Yeah.
00:43:04Yeah.
00:43:04There's an inn out there where the Purple Hill Gang used to hang out and we've hosted
00:43:11a tour out there that that place was very interesting.
00:43:14We've had things come across the spirit box almost like, cause it was a brothel.
00:43:19So you're in there and you know, we're women and we're getting called all types of names.
00:43:24Like, just like, oh yeah, they're going, you're hearing things.
00:43:27Oh, well the spirit boxes that we use will give up, it's a radio frequency.
00:43:32So it's going to channel certain sounds.
00:43:34So all of a sudden you'll hear like someone talking and it'll be like cursing you, like
00:43:39calling us all types of, you know, I'm not going to say too much.
00:43:42I don't want to, you know, be bleeped every five seconds, but basically it's like, you
00:43:47know, horror.
00:43:48But I mean, it's calling you every name in the book and you're just like, Hey, knock
00:43:51that shit off.
00:43:52You're not going to talk to me like that.
00:43:54And you'll start smelling like cigar smoke.
00:43:56Like that will happen a lot too.
00:43:58At certain places, like you'll walk in somewhere and all of a sudden like you'll, you'll smell
00:44:02cigarettes at like a place where that probably took place.
00:44:05And it's like, wow, is that really weird?
00:44:07The things that happen sometimes.
00:44:08Yeah.
00:44:09I was walking through the, uh, um, the, the, the battlefield at Gettysburg and, um, I
00:44:15smelled something and the whole group did that, uh, that I still to this day can't explain
00:44:20or, you know, it could have been anything I suppose, but nobody in the group was smoking
00:44:24anything.
00:44:25Right.
00:44:26And it's, it's a smell I'd never smelled before or after.
00:44:29I just can't explain it.
00:44:30It's just one of those things, you know, it's interesting, right?
00:44:32Yeah.
00:44:33No, you've been doing this for a while.
00:44:34So do you think with the advent of, uh, of like, uh, you know, cell phone cameras and
00:44:38stuff, people take pictures and look at them right away where before we would take pictures
00:44:41and have to take them, get them developed and stuff.
00:44:43And now, oh my God, look at this.
00:44:44You know, like this, this sort of weird dichotomy now.
00:44:47Well, I think with the, the phones is you're able to go faster with catching pictures.
00:44:53So where before, when you would have like a normal camera, you'd be lucky to get something.
00:44:57Now I kind of like to look at if you're popping off pictures, like I'm usually just going
00:45:01at it.
00:45:02You know what I mean?
00:45:03And so there'll be a sequence where I can see, you know, what happened before this actual
00:45:07picture took place.
00:45:09You know what I mean?
00:45:09So there was that sequence that you can see that where there was nothing here.
00:45:12And all of a sudden something's here.
00:45:14You can watch your photo play out.
00:45:15And I think that's really beneficial to doing this now.
00:45:19And with video as well.
00:45:21Oh, right.
00:45:22For sure.
00:45:22Especially like the, I, the iPhones or the, the pictures that have the video before we've
00:45:27gotten things off of that replay from the video.
00:45:30So when people have those type of photos and they don't think they caught something, hit
00:45:35the playback of your photo and you never know what you may have.
00:45:38Yeah.
00:45:39Well, listen, Heather, I will, I'll let you split here.
00:45:41Chicks and spirits, as it says right there behind you, paranormal investigators with a
00:45:45twist, anything you want to plug, any websites you can plug or, you know, whatever your social
00:45:49media, whatever you got.
00:45:51Yeah.
00:45:51I mean, we have chicks and spirits.
00:45:53I mean, go to our Facebook, Instagram, Tik TOK.
00:45:56I also do, we do a stay spooky podcast.
00:45:59I have a true crime podcast that I'm actually doing at eight o'clock tonight.
00:46:04So that's called chilling and killing crime cast.
00:46:07And yeah, that's fun.
00:46:08So go look that up.
00:46:09We do theme shows.
00:46:11So that's a good time.
00:46:12But, um, we, yeah, check out our website.
00:46:15We have events, you know, check out Stimson, the place we talked about their running events
00:46:19all month, you know, October.
00:46:21And definitely when the food track drive comes, people come help us out, donate, give us our,
00:46:27your time, collect food, anything that we could do to help the veterans.
00:46:31Super huge for me.
00:46:32So yeah, that's, that would be great.
00:46:34Yeah, definitely a hit me up.
00:46:35I got to help you out with that.
00:46:36So, uh, well, Heather, I really appreciate making your acquaintance and thank you so
00:46:40much for your time.
00:46:42It was nice meeting you.
00:46:43You have a good night.
00:46:47Finally, for episode one of haunted Michigan, we wrap it up with ghost hunter and author
00:46:51Nicole Beauchamp.
00:46:52She's the author of such books as haunted Bay city, Michigan and haunted Detroit.
00:46:57We're getting into the real crux of the matter.
00:46:58Now check out some of the stories and some of the tales she shares.
00:47:02Hey, Nicole, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us.
00:47:05How's things with you?
00:47:06Wonderful.
00:47:07Thank you for having me.
00:47:08So just give everybody a little bit of a, uh, uh, like a brief history of, of what you
00:47:13do and your, your paranormal and all that kind of thing.
00:47:16Um, well, my name is Nicole Beauchamp.
00:47:18I am a Michigan author and paranormal investigator.
00:47:21I write for Arcadia publishing is haunted America series.
00:47:25My two books include haunted Bay city, Michigan and haunted Detroit.
00:47:28And I'm currently working on book number three.
00:47:30Um, I also do paranormal investigations and, um, ghost tours and different events all across
00:47:37the state throughout the year.
00:47:39So, um, if you're ever interested in finding out more information about that, uh, you can
00:47:44find me on social media at, uh, facebook.com slash author, Nicole, N I C O L E Beauchamp.
00:47:51B E A U C H A M P.
00:47:54Okay.
00:47:54So you, you, you talked about your third book you're writing.
00:47:56Can, is there anything you can mention about that?
00:47:59Not yet.
00:48:00Not yet.
00:48:00Okay.
00:48:00All right.
00:48:01Fair enough.
00:48:02So you're, you're, you, you talked about your two books, haunted Bay city, Michigan
00:48:05and haunted Detroit.
00:48:06So how long did you spend in each place, you know, kind of, uh, uh, gathering information
00:48:12and, uh, hunting down, uh, different leads and different things like that.
00:48:16Uh, well, I've been investigating the paranormal since 2009 with my, um, team tri-city ghost
00:48:22hunters society.
00:48:23We've investigated all over the world.
00:48:25And, um, with, you know, that, that I guess being in the team for that period of time,
00:48:32um, I've gathered a lot of information over the years, um, as far as, you know, doing research.
00:48:38And so basically it's a compilation of research from all of my time being in, um, in the paranormal
00:48:46team that I have and, um, like going to each location and researching each location separately.
00:48:54So, um, you know, it, I would say, well, it took me about five months to write the book.
00:49:02Um, so, I mean, several weeks, I guess for each chapter, but, um, like I said, you know,
00:49:10this has been kind of like an ongoing collective research project since the beginning.
00:49:15Now, when you write a book like haunted Detroit, do you actually stay down there?
00:49:21Um, I have, yes, I have.
00:49:23Where have you stayed at?
00:49:25Um, well, I, I stayed at, uh, I can't even think what it's called.
00:49:28I can't not remember the name of it.
00:49:30It's, it's an old Victorian style, um, hotel.
00:49:35Um, I want to say it's called like, I want to say Elmwood, but that's not what it's called,
00:49:40but something like that.
00:49:41Um, but it's just really kind of cool Victorian in, and they do say that it is haunted,
00:49:47but I wish I could remember the name.
00:49:49So you, you stay there on purpose because you know, you're, you're studying up on this
00:49:55stuff.
00:49:55And now I talked with somebody else, uh, before and they said that, uh, the Whitney and I,
00:50:00that this has been brought up many times.
00:50:02So you've got to know something about the Whitney, correct?
00:50:04Yes, actually the Whitney is the cover of my book.
00:50:08Um, fortunately, uh, the hotel is not in the book or I would obviously remember the name
00:50:13of it, but, um, but yes, I did do a lot of research on the Whitney.
00:50:17I've been there many, many times and, uh, I feel like I was able to collect some of the
00:50:22best ghost stories from there.
00:50:24Is that right?
00:50:25So, so pass along one to us that, that, you know, that maybe sticks out in your mind.
00:50:29Okay.
00:50:30So, um, there was a woman who came to have a drink at the ghost bar and she's just, you
00:50:38know, sipping her drink or whatever.
00:50:39And then of course she feels the urge to go to the bathroom because she's been having some
00:50:43drinks.
00:50:43And so she gets up, goes into the lady's bathroom and she's in there and she sees a woman in
00:50:53there.
00:50:53Now she's talking to this woman.
00:50:54She's having a full conversation with this woman, uh, you know, comes back to the bar and,
00:51:01you know, the bartender's like, I don't mean to pry into your life, but is everything good?
00:51:06You know, you've been gone quite a long time.
00:51:08And she's like, oh, I was just having a conversation with the bathroom attendant in there.
00:51:13And he's like, ma'am, we don't have any bathroom attendants.
00:51:17So from the time that, and she was like dead set, she's telling, you know, she starts yelling
00:51:22at the bartender.
00:51:23She's saying, you're hiding people in here.
00:51:26This happened.
00:51:27Like, I'm not lying to you.
00:51:29And so she, she just creates this whole uproar.
00:51:32And so it got back to management.
00:51:35So management goes back through, reviews all the security footage and nobody, nobody other
00:51:42than this single woman came, you know, out of the bathroom or in the bathroom in that
00:51:48entire duration that she was, she was, uh, you know, there.
00:51:52So, and what year are we talking about?
00:51:54What was, when was this?
00:51:55What year?
00:51:56Um, I don't know if I know that for sure.
00:51:59It, I know it was fairly recently.
00:52:02Um, you know, at least it was in the century 21st century for sure.
00:52:10But yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't that long ago, but I don't know if I could tell you definitively
00:52:16what exact year that was.
00:52:17Now, uh, what other places, uh, around Detroit did you find were, uh, you know, were, were,
00:52:22were haunted and, you know, um, and what place do you think might be the haunted?
00:52:26I mean, we talked about the Whitney and stuff.
00:52:28Could, could that be the place or is, is there places?
00:52:31You know, there was when I, I do interviews for the book and I got a really horrifying
00:52:38ghost story from Elmwood Cemetery.
00:52:40Um, but.
00:52:43Well, you got to tell us that now.
00:52:44Yeah.
00:52:44Yeah.
00:52:44Okay.
00:52:45I'll go through that.
00:52:46I, even though it's horrifying, I don't, I don't think it's the, I don't think it's
00:52:50the most haunted location, but it is close.
00:52:53So, um, there was a married couple.
00:52:56This was like the late nineties.
00:52:58They were, you know, they went to the cemetery to visit a gravestone.
00:53:03And while they were there, they came across this monument.
00:53:08You might've heard of it.
00:53:08It's the veiled lady monument.
00:53:10Um, this tombstone is thought to be cursed because.
00:53:15It had basically, it's a scorned, um, a woman who, you know, her husband is thought to have
00:53:24had an affair on her with her sister.
00:53:26She passed away.
00:53:27Now she's coming back for revenge.
00:53:29Like that's the whole legend surrounding it.
00:53:32So this woman, um, her name is, is Stacy.
00:53:38And, um, when she was there with her husband, she touched the tombstone.
00:53:42Uh, but like I said, this tombstone is cursed because, you know, after, after this whole
00:53:49issue happened with her husband, um, you know, she was like the tombstone fell off like two
00:53:58ships and broke a bunch of times and just a bunch of weird stuff happened with it.
00:54:04But so she's there, she touches the tombstone, you know, she thinks it's kind of cool looking.
00:54:08Um, and as she's walking around the cemetery afterwards, she is getting this sensation.
00:54:14Like somebody is touching her neck.
00:54:16So she, you know, she reaches up, doesn't feel anything there, but she keeps getting that
00:54:22sensation.
00:54:22So finally she's overcome by this feeling like, Hey, we got to go.
00:54:25We got to get out of here.
00:54:26So her and her husband get into the car and she's driving at this point and she looks into
00:54:34the rear view mirror and she believes she sees this, uh, veiled apparition in the back seat.
00:54:40So, I mean, she screams bloody terror.
00:54:44She's, you know, she's done.
00:54:46And her husband's like, all right, it's been a long day.
00:54:48Why don't we switch places and, you know, I'll drive home.
00:54:52So this, I mean, this woman is like shaking.
00:54:55She's traumatized at this point.
00:54:57Nothing, I mean, nothing has happened quite yet, but she just, you know, she thinks she
00:55:02saw this veiled figure.
00:55:03So as the, um, time is going on and she's at home and her husband, um, he travels for work.
00:55:14So he, you know, goes away.
00:55:17And one day, um, while, while she's at the house, she is sleeping on the couch.
00:55:23She's taking a nap and then she opens her eyes.
00:55:27She looks at the basement door and there's a veiled figure of a woman standing in front
00:55:32of it.
00:55:32And, and it's like, this woman is kind of like limp, like her chins, you know, down on
00:55:38her chest.
00:55:38And so, I mean, she's already like, what the hell, you know what I mean?
00:55:44Like the way she described it, it reminded me almost of like the La Llorona.
00:55:49I don't know if you've ever seen that movie.
00:55:51It's, it's horrifying, but that's how she described it.
00:55:53Like, um, it was like a veiled figure, almost like a white gown, you know, white veil.
00:55:59And then like the fingers were like mangled and dirty and like, uh, like almost like flesh
00:56:07was dripping.
00:56:08Like, that's how she described it.
00:56:09Like this horrifying sight.
00:56:13And this figure all of a sudden, like hurries up and like comes up to her and then lunges
00:56:21at her.
00:56:22Now, at this point, she's getting scratches on her arms.
00:56:25So, you know, she, she's just in total disbelief at what she's saying.
00:56:32Then the figure proceeds to turn around, walks through the basement door and leaves behind
00:56:38this malodorous scent of death.
00:56:41So, I mean, now she's completely traumatized and it's just keeps going on and on.
00:56:46And she's, you know, as the, as the months is, are going on, you know, she's, her relationship
00:56:53is suffering.
00:56:54She's starting to pick at her food and not eat so much.
00:56:59She's starting to lose her hair.
00:57:02Um, just a bunch of really bad things are happening to her.
00:57:05Um, so finally, you know, it, her marriage ends up ending because, you know, she's so traumatized
00:57:12and it's destroying things between her and her husband.
00:57:15Um, so then she moves in with her mother and she goes to stay with her mom for a while while
00:57:20her mom goes out one day to go get takeout and she is in the house alone.
00:57:26She thinks she's going to be fine.
00:57:28So she goes, you know, takes a shower and while she's in the shower, because she had been out
00:57:33gardening all day and she's just thinking, you know, this will be a nice way to relax
00:57:37before I eat dinner.
00:57:37Um, she sees through the shower curtain, there is a white veiled figure standing in the doorway
00:57:45watching her.
00:57:46And this shower curtain is kind of like semi-translucent.
00:57:50So she can see this figure.
00:57:52And then this figure proceeds to start walking up to her and reaches around the shower curtain.
00:57:59And like the lights are like glass bulbs are shattering.
00:58:05The lights go out.
00:58:06She's screaming.
00:58:07She picks up like the rod and is like swinging it around, trying to get this thing away.
00:58:12And on it, when her mom came home, like her mom could obviously tell that she was, you
00:58:20know, traumatized beyond repair at that point.
00:58:22So, so how did they get rid of this, this spirit?
00:58:26Um, she says she's still tormented to this day.
00:58:30Really?
00:58:30So she's telling people stay the hell away from, from that veiled lady monuments.
00:58:35Oh my God.
00:58:36So, so that's down the Elmwood, a cemetery, like you were saying, what other places did you
00:58:41discover that had some sort of presence?
00:58:44Yes.
00:58:44Um, my favorite one is the Leland hotel.
00:58:47I did so much research on that place and came up with so many news articles of people
00:58:54that either were in a freak accident, had killed themselves, were murdered.
00:59:00Um, just tons of people, especially during the great depression.
00:59:06And there's a lot of people there who say they see phantom roof jumpers.
00:59:13Um, there was a lady I interviewed named Deandra, who's, uh, actually was chased through the
00:59:20hotel, um, by an apparition that had a bullet.
00:59:24I believe the bullet was through its neck.
00:59:28Jeez.
00:59:29So, and it was like in her room and pulling the covers off her and just, I mean, this was
00:59:37going, I mean, the paranormal activity associated with her, um, went on for several weeks.
00:59:44Um, but yeah, they see all kinds of who they believe to be old mobsters, ghosts of old mobsters,
00:59:51ghosts of people killing themselves during the great depression.
00:59:55Um, there's a really weird figure that has seen, I don't know if you've ever been to city club,
01:00:02but going up this, the side stairs to the city club, you see like this figure that kind
01:00:08of scampers up on all fours and has like, like wild hair and man, it's been a billion
01:00:18years since I've been down to a city club.
01:00:20Um, was, as, as, as, does my memory serve me correctly?
01:00:23Cause I've been talking, you know, email and back and forth.
01:00:25A lot of you guys did, did you do stuff at Eloise?
01:00:29Um, I have not yet investigated Eloise, but I did hold my book release party there.
01:00:35Oh, okay.
01:00:35All right.
01:00:36Yeah.
01:00:36So you have a chance to go through it.
01:00:38Uh, not, uh, I went through, I went through parts of it during the day, but not at night.
01:00:43No.
01:00:43Okay.
01:00:43Gotcha.
01:00:44So have you yourself ever had like a crazy experience?
01:00:47Yes, I have.
01:00:49Um, and actually it was at historic Fort Wayne in Detroit.
01:00:52Okay.
01:00:53Yeah.
01:00:53A lot of people talk about that place too.
01:00:56It's awesome.
01:00:57Uh, so I was in the second, um, Sally port, the powder magazine.
01:01:04It was October 31st.
01:01:07So Halloween night of 2009.
01:01:09Um, it was my very first big outing with my paranormal team and I'm sitting crouched down
01:01:17there in the powder magazine, just taking picture after picture after picture, and I'm
01:01:21not getting anything.
01:01:22And this is at nighttime.
01:01:23Yeah.
01:01:24And I want to say it took like 20, 25 pictures, maybe at this point.
01:01:30Okay.
01:01:31And then finally I take one more picture and I look down and I can see what looks like
01:01:38a dark shadow figure standing there staring at me.
01:01:43So I zoom in and this thing is opaque.
01:01:46You can't see through it.
01:01:48So it did look like a, it literally did look like a person, um, but like a shadowy person.
01:01:57Um, so I stood up as fast as I could, which back then it was a lot easier.
01:02:03Cause I was a lot younger.
01:02:04Um, weren't we all?
01:02:06Yeah.
01:02:06And I bolted towards the entrance and there was nobody there.
01:02:12And the only way up into that Sally port is a winding uneven staircase.
01:02:18And there's just no way in the pitch black, like somebody could have got down at that fast.
01:02:22So, um, that was probably one of my coolest experiences in the Detroit area.
01:02:29Have you ever, um, have you ever been touched?
01:02:33Um, I think I have, you know, I've definitely gotten like really weird feelings, um, on an,
01:02:40well, I was investigating the Titanic museum and pigeon forge, Tennessee, or I'm sorry,
01:02:46Branson, Missouri.
01:02:47Um, and yes, I felt like something was touching me.
01:02:51Like I was overcome by this like cold feeling and I was like shaking and it was, it was cool.
01:02:59I like that stuff though.
01:03:00Right.
01:03:01Exactly.
01:03:01That's what you're doing.
01:03:03Right.
01:03:03So, uh, so we're, we're talking about haunted places in Michigan.
01:03:06Where do you think is maybe the haunted place in Michigan?
01:03:08Do you have any ideas?
01:03:10The most haunted place in Michigan?
01:03:12Yeah.
01:03:12I would say the Leland hotel, but I will say that there is a place in Bay city, Michigan
01:03:20here where we are actually going to be doing a public, um, investigation at the end of this
01:03:26month, beginning of next month.
01:03:29And, um, it's called the Scottish, right?
01:03:32And well, it's connected.
01:03:34So it's two buildings.
01:03:34It's the Scottish, right?
01:03:36And the Masonic temple right here in downtown Bay city.
01:03:38Basically, um, where the parking lot is now had a church and there was a graveyard there
01:03:47and the city dug up, you know, they got rid of the church, they dug up all the bodies
01:03:56and moved them, but they think that some have been missed because these two buildings, they're
01:04:05connected by way of like a hallway and they see all sorts of apparitions.
01:04:11They're, um, floating.
01:04:14Tor or so's, uh, floating legs, uh, children.
01:04:20I mean, all different kinds of women spirits.
01:04:24I made all different looking women's spirits.
01:04:26Um, men with cigars, sometimes they'll open doors and it's like, they're looking back into
01:04:32the 1930s, you know?
01:04:34So it's like every kind of paranormal activity that you can possibly think of has happened
01:04:40in this building.
01:04:41And for the very first time now at the end of this month and beginning of next, we are
01:04:45going to be offering those public paranormal investigations.
01:04:48Yeah, no, that's probably going to be, uh, after or before this, uh, airs since, uh, the
01:04:53first one will be airing in October, uh, first of these, this series.
01:04:56But, uh, yeah, um, you just mentioned the Masonic temple.
01:04:59Now there's a Masonic temple in Detroit that some people say is haunted.
01:05:03Do you know anything about that?
01:05:04I do know about that because I actually spoke to the people that work there.
01:05:08Okay.
01:05:08Now they kind of told me that what it has been put out about the Masonic temple is actually
01:05:14not true.
01:05:14Okay.
01:05:15So, um, there was this rumor that, um, the person who, uh, was often there had, had jumped
01:05:25and committed suicide from the top of the building.
01:05:28I've heard that.
01:05:29Yeah.
01:05:29And that's not actually true.
01:05:31So that didn't happen.
01:05:32Um, it's just kind of like a, a, a legend.
01:05:35Right.
01:05:35Um, so I, but, you know, nonetheless, I have heard my friends from the Detroit paranormal
01:05:42expedition say that, you know, when they investigated, they had like a, a box that had moved, you
01:05:49know, moved on the floor or something like that.
01:05:51So they did have something kind of paranormal happen there, but my opinion is that the one
01:05:57in Bay city is way more haunted.
01:05:59You did a book on Bay city, did a book on a Detroit.
01:06:04Uh, have you, have you been around other parts of the, uh, to state just, you know, on your
01:06:08own or just, you know, doing investigations and not writing about it?
01:06:11Oh yeah.
01:06:12I've been all over the world.
01:06:14Oh, okay.
01:06:15Um, in July, we went to Windsor castle tower of London, Paris catacombs.
01:06:21Um, yeah, I mean, I've been, I've been all over, but probably my favorite location in
01:06:29the United States would probably be the, uh, trans Allegheny lunatic asylum in a West and
01:06:34West Virginia.
01:06:35Hmm.
01:06:36Yeah.
01:06:36West Virginia.
01:06:37I've been in, uh, you know, jails and maximum security prisons down there, you know, before
01:06:41there are closed now, you know, and one of them is right outside of Brad Paisley's hometown
01:06:46and I can't think of the name of it, but right outside of Wheeling, West Virginia, there's a
01:06:49closed one.
01:06:50So, but, uh, yeah, that's, uh, that's super interesting.
01:06:53So, so this is your time of year, isn't it?
01:06:56It is.
01:06:57This is when I get the most work and I can't complain.
01:06:59I've been really busy too.
01:07:01So I think, yeah, well, I, you know, I appreciate you taking the time to talk with us.
01:07:08Uh, when I, when I got the email that, you know, you wrote these books and stuff, it's
01:07:11like, yes, this is a person I, I have to talk to anything else you want to add for us here
01:07:16that maybe we should be looking for that, you know, anything and maybe a place in Michigan
01:07:20that people can travel that you might say, yeah, this might be a good time of year to
01:07:23go see that.
01:07:25Well, um, I did hear a lot of people tell me, um, to go to Copper Harbor cause that's
01:07:31supposed to be like super haunted up there.
01:07:34Um, you've never been there.
01:07:35I've never been there, but I want to go, but I, I have heard, you know, just to kind
01:07:41of play it cool with some of the properties because people up there, I'm not saying that
01:07:47they're not nice, but it's their place, right?
01:07:51It's their, their land.
01:07:52Yeah.
01:07:52It's their land.
01:07:53And I, I don't want to advise anybody to trespass in any way, but if you get the chance while
01:07:59it's still pretty nice out and there was no snow on the ground, go to Copper Harbor and
01:08:04check it out and let me know, because if it is super, super haunted, I would like to
01:08:09go as well.
01:08:10Now you said earlier, you said you got a Facebook and Instagram and all that kind of stuff,
01:08:14no website or anything, but we can get ahold of you on Facebook and Instagram.
01:08:17Yeah.
01:08:18Unfortunately I do not have a website.
01:08:21Um, I know I need to rectify that soon.
01:08:24Um, but in the meantime, um, you can find me on Facebook or on Instagram.
01:08:28Um, it's literally at author, Nicole and I say, well, Lee, Beauchamp B E A U C H A M P.
01:08:36And, um, like I said, I do events all year round all across the whole United States.
01:08:42Um, and especially the state of Michigan.
01:08:45So, well, we appreciate your time.
01:08:49The, uh, the Leland hotel and the Elmwood cemetery, two places I will not be going to
01:08:53anytime soon.
01:08:56Well, listen, have a great Halloween and good luck in all your, all your events and everything
01:09:00else you got going on.
01:09:01Okay.
01:09:01Nicole, and thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us.
01:09:03All right.
01:09:04Thanks so much for having me.
01:09:05Have a great day.
01:09:06And there it is.
01:09:07Episode one of haunted Michigan.
01:09:09Another episode drops next Monday.
01:09:11We've got to thank Nicole Beauchamp, Heather Childers and Kat Tenzin for the great stories.
01:09:16More coming next week.