After long diplomatic and legal proceedings initiated by India with the US that ran for over 16 years, one of the masterminds of the 2008 Mumbai terror attack, Tahawwur Rana, has finally been extradited and has been arrested by the National Investigation Agency.
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00:00India gets Mumbai carnage villain.
00:072611 mastermind dragged back to India.
00:1417 years later, big diplomatic win for India.
00:21Tahavur Rana in NIA custody.
00:332611 plotter Rana to nail Pakistan terror roll.
00:42India nets big terror catch. Top focus on India first.
00:51The 9 Pakistani terrorists who were killed on ground in Mumbai in 2008 and the 10th Ajmal Amir Kassab.
00:59So 10 Pakistani terrorists that India has details of were only foot soldiers of terror.
01:06They were like branches and leaves of the terror tree.
01:09But this man, Tahavur Hussain Rana is a major catch.
01:13He knew about the entire terror plot.
01:16He arranged logistics. He arranged funds.
01:19And he travelled to India repeatedly to carry out reconnaissance missions on the instructions
01:25according to America's Federal Bureau of Investigation and India's National Investigation Agency
01:30on the instructions of that professor of terror in Pakistan, Hafiz Muhammad Said,
01:35the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a UN-designated banned terrorist organization,
01:39to identify multiple targets in India to strike.
01:43And Hafiz Said, in a meeting in Pakistan, was on camera, was on record saying,
01:49What is Mumbai? And that's exactly what these terrorists were plotting.
01:54After 1-26-11, they were planning a series of other terror attacks in India
01:58and had carried out reconnaissance for that.
02:00Over the course of the next half hour, we get you all details on India first.
02:04We'll also get you a statement of then Chief Minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi,
02:08who was very disappointed when Tahavur Hussain Rana and David Coleman Headley
02:13were let off in the 26-11 case in America, but convicted in the Copenhagen terror case.
02:19But today, Prime Minister Narendra Modi will have reason to be very satisfied
02:23because that terrorist India relentlessly pursued has been brought back to India.
02:28He's on Indian soil today and now he will see the majesty of Indian justice.
02:34I'm Gaurav Savant. We get you all details.
02:37Let's get started with the headlines on India first.
02:40First image of 26-11 Mumbai terror attacks key plotter Tahavur Hussain Rana in India.
02:52He has now been formally arrested by the National Investigation Agency
02:57after that special aircraft landed at the Palam technical area in Delhi.
03:02NIA to confront Tahavur Rana with 26-11 proof he will be questioned on the role of Pakistani state actors.
03:16Exclusive details on India today.
03:1826-11 Mumbai terror attack survivors seek death penalty for Tahavur Hussain Rana.
03:30Demand that his trial be swift and Pakistani terrorists not be fed biryani in Indian jails.
03:37Politics escalates over the VAKF Act.
03:45Bihar leader of opposition Tejasvi Yadav claims RJD will not implement the VAKF Amendment Act in Bihar
03:52if elected to power.
04:00US vs China trade war intensifies.
04:03Beijing says Trump's fight will end in failure for the US from iPhones to steal the world braces for impact of this trade war.
04:15And news just coming in on India today.
04:31Tahavur Hussain Rana, the cavalcade carrying that Pakistan-born Canadian terrorist is now leaving the Palam technical area in Delhi.
04:41Tahavur Hussain Rana will be driven in a high security cavalcade to the National Investigation Agency Special Court.
04:50Now those are the images that you see India today.
04:53Cameras are right there at the main entrance of the Palam technical area.
04:57This is where the comm squadron or the communication squadron of the Indian Air Force is also based at Palam technical area in Delhi.
05:06And this is the exit and entry for VVIPs.
05:11So right now you are noticing a number of vehicles on that main road.
05:16Right now civilian vehicles are also on that main road outside Palam technical area.
05:22But just as soon the cavalcade comes out, vehicle or traffic will stop and we are told almost like a green corridor is created.
05:29There will be no other way since it is on either side of the road as this high value Pakistan-born Canadian terrorist who is a Pakistan army deserter.
05:38Remember Tahavur Hussain Rana was a captain in the Pakistan army.
05:42He is a medical doctor by profession.
05:44So Ajmal Amir Kassab may be an illiterate terrorist of Lashkar-e-Taiba from Fareed Court in Pakistan.
05:51Tahavur Hussain Rana is a highly educated terrorist from Pakistan.
05:55They are all 50 shades of Hafiz Mohammed Sahib.
05:58It's that mindset as India's external affairs minister, Dr. Ehs Jai Shankar in the past has pointed out that bigotry is in the DNA of Pakistan,
06:08which is very visible even today as Pakistan tries to wash its hands off Tahavur Hussain Rana.
06:13But I quickly want to cut across to Amit Bharadwaj.
06:15Amit Bharadwaj joins us live for more on this story.
06:18So Amit, we are now told that the medical examination is over.
06:21Nalini Sharma joins us from outside the NIA court.
06:24And Shivani Sharma joins us from the NIA headquarters.
06:29And all these three places are action packed.
06:31India today's finest team of reporters are on ground to get you a 360 degree perspective on this big story.
06:36Amit, describe to us the preparations, the medical test and what's happening right now.
06:45Well, Kaurav, you know, after a detailed medical examination,
06:49it is being believed that the final preparation is being done for that transportation.
06:54And any time from now, you will possibly get those visuals of the car kit moving towards the NIA facility or the court,
07:03the Patiala house court.
07:05And however, we need to be really cautious about this fact that, you know,
07:09the kind of secrecy that's being maintained on the movement of Rana is something that the security forces are completely,
07:18you know, ensuring that no visuals, possibly they don't want the visuals to be out.
07:24But what we are given to understand that after detailed paper work at this particular airport,
07:29the Palam technical airport, the medical examination of Taha Burrana was conducted.
07:35And this was a very thorough medical examination that has been done, which has in fact taken a lot more time than expected.
07:44And after this procedure is over the phase two of this entire operation,
07:50that is transportation, seamless and secure transportation of Taha Burrana is to be carried out.
07:56And possibly our teams at the NIA and Patiala house court will also realize the change in security arrangement that's around them.
08:06And they being a little more sensitive, more activity in the security deployment could be seen anytime from now,
08:14because what we are given to understand that medical examination process at the Palam airport is over.
08:20Remember, these documents will not only go to the Indian courts, but also to the US authorities because it's in case of...
08:26And that is where this becomes very critical, Shivani, that the rule book is followed to the T, to the last point.
08:33It's very essential and secrecy is being maintained because Pakistan would not want its dirty skeletons tumbling out of their closet.
08:40They would perhaps try and bump him off because he is now way beyond his utility.
08:45His utility was to spread terror in India. He did that for a long time.
08:49And they wouldn't want details about Hafiz Said or Major Iqbal or let's say General Ashwaq Parvez Kayani,
08:54earlier DGISI and then Pakistan Army Chief to come out in public domain, Shivani.
09:03Gaurav, you're absolutely right. Pakistan now once again stands exposed and it is fearful of the fact that when the investigation goes on,
09:12many more beans will be spilled about what's going on inside Pakistan.
09:17The anti-India nexus that has been breeding since decades out there and the terrorism that's been supported against India.
09:25More faces will be out, more names will be out.
09:29The conspirers other than Headley and Tahbur Rana who might be in India, they also might be exposed.
09:36And the nexus they have with the ISI, with the terror organizations in Pakistan will be revealed.
09:43And as you've been mentioning, Gaurav, that when he was to be extradited, the excuses that Tahbur Rana had been given to the courts was that he will not feel safe in India
09:53because perhaps he knew that now he is going to face trial for what he has done, the crime he has committed, the conspiracy.
09:59His game is up. His game was up. Absolutely. He was celebrating in America when 2611 was happening, when all of us, when all Indians and people from the civilized world were in tears watching that massacre on live TV.
10:12He was celebrating in Chicago and he wanted Pakistan's highest national award to be given to those ten terrorists who were killed in that terror attack.
10:22Nine killed and tenth hanged subsequently. But this case, Nalini, is a test case.
10:29America has said there are ten charges on which he can be prosecuted. Bring us details of those ten charges.
10:36You spoke to officials in the Department of Justice in the United States of America. Bring us details.
10:45Well, Gaurav, we are given to understand that the main charge that Tahbur Rana is going to have to defend during his trial is that going to be of the criminal conspiracy that was hatched between Tahbur Rana as well as David Headley.
10:56But along with that, there are also several other charges like forgery, like inciting violence.
11:02All of those charges have also been levelled against Tahbur Rana.
11:05It remains to be seen exactly what kind of a charge sheet is filed against him, if any, by the NIA in the days leading up to the trial in this case.
11:14But today, Gaurav, first let me get you visuals from the NIA court here at Patiala House from where we are reporting.
11:20You see the heavy amount of police deployment. I'm going to ask Sachin to show you the visuals.
11:24You see the heavy amount of police deployment that's right here outside the Patiala House court.
11:28And within 20 seconds of the team leaving from the Palam airport, all the security had come into place once again.
11:35They were in the middle, dispersed for a bit, but all of them have come back into the place to ensure that there are no unfortunate incidents that happen during the time when no law and order issue actually occurs during the time when Tahbur Rana is produced before the court.
11:48Today, what we are expecting during the proceedings is basically going to be a custody hearing.
11:52There are the prosecutors, lawyers, senior advocate Dayan Krishnan, as well as advocate Narendra Man, who is a special public prosecutor appointed by the centre in this case, will be asking for remand.
12:02The maximum remand that they can ask for is 30 days.
12:06It remains to be seen whether or not they seek maximum remand.
12:09It might be a logical step to go ahead and ask for a maximum remand in this case.
12:13But how many days remand will the court actually grant is a question that we are asking.
12:16Another point that we need to share.
12:18Stay with me.
12:19Stay with me.
12:20I want to quickly bring in Dr. Tara Kartha into this conversation.
12:22She was director at National Security Council Secretariat.
12:25Knows a lot about 2611 while the terror attack was happening and about these terrorists.
12:30And also Professor Brahma Chalani, former advisor to India's National Security Council joining me on this broadcast.
12:36Sarah Kartha, a sense of relief today that finally this terrorist is being brought back to India, has been brought back to India to face trial.
12:44What do we hope to get from him right now on 2611 and future terror attacks that Lashkar had planned, madam?
12:52There is a sense of relief, definitely, but there is also a sense, definitely apprehension.
12:57Because there is going to be a lot of people who are trying to get this guy out of the way.
13:01I mean, there's no two ways. I hope there's no, I have, I mean, I hope this will never happen, but some sort of hostage taking, trying to get this guy out of prison.
13:10That is the kind of scenario that I would look forward.
13:13In terms of what do we expect from him, he had, in fact, details of Headley's visits, which were even denied to Headley's handlers.
13:23Headley was doing things without, which they didn't know, but Rana knew.
13:29That was the kind of proximity he had with Rana.
13:32You know, for example, I mean, on a personal note, he had another wife.
13:35Headley took another wife. These guys didn't know, but Rana did.
13:39Rana met his family when he went back to Chicago.
13:41This guy was extremely close to him.
13:43So all those conversations, money was sent through Rana to Headley.
13:48That's going to be another charge forgery, another charge, because he forged the papers to the RBI Reserve Bank of India to set up the immigration center.
13:56So all that is going to come out.
13:58And within that are going to be the smaller dots, which you will have to connect.
14:04Smaller dots. Smaller dots. And let's for a moment focus on this.
14:09Professor Chilani, a Pakistani, a man of Pakistani origin, he may have a Canadian passport or, you know, Daud Gilani or David Coleman Headley may have had an American passport.
14:19But were Indians, including officers in our Ministry of External Affairs, so naive that they gave them multiple entry visas to India?
14:27Were Indians so naive that they were able to set shop in India, first world immigration, travel across the length and breadth of our country, recruit local people and carry out terror attacks in India?
14:39And we were all sleeping or were people conniving with them?
14:43India has a very porous system.
14:48And the facts that you're mentioning in this case, those facts are there in other cases too.
15:00You've seen how saboteurs, terrorists, and even foreign intelligence officers are able to penetrate into the length and breadth of India, into our system.
15:14And yet we don't learn from this porousness, how we can actually fix the system, how we can ensure that our system functions in a more efficient manner.
15:29But I think Rana's extradition to India, besides, you know, it's definitely a welcome step, should actually encourage the Indian government now to seek the extradition of David Coleman Headley.
15:44David Coleman Headley, because David Coleman Headley is a bigger plotter in the Mumbai terror attacks than even Rana.
15:53And it doesn't make any sense for the US to continue to deny India's extradition request in relation to Headley.
16:01Especially now that there's a more India friendly administration in Washington, the Trump administration is pretty tough on terrorism and on terrorists.
16:13And I think this is a good time for India to press its case to the US to extradite David Coleman Headley.
16:24You know, we should not forget that in 2013, Headley was actually sentenced by a US court to 35 years in prison for his role in the Mumbai terrorist attacks.
16:35Yes, and you're absolutely right. David Coleman Headley was roaming around the length and breadth of this country and he's been involved in the killing of six American nationals too during 26-11.
16:48But Dr. Tara Karthai want to understand our system. Yes, we need to find out who's the enemy across in Pakistan, who these guys were conniving with.
16:56But do we also have the fifth column in our own country who were aiding and abetting these elements in your, you know, appreciation?
17:05How could he set shop in India? How was he able to send money? How was David Coleman Headley able to access that money, travel across our country, wine and dine with the well-heeled in Mumbai and God forbid other cities in India?
17:17In this regard to what Brahma said, I'd like to also add that the US's own 9-11 was a complete, I mean, it came as a complete shock, though there were analysts within the intelligence community who said, look, these guys are doing this, how about, you know, nobody listened to them.
17:35So it's also a question of how you put everything together within an institution. But on the question of support in India, I think the fact that you brought this up is very important.
17:48There is, we have been unwitting or, you know, definite support to this guy on other counts, because if you look at any successful terrorist attack, there across the world, okay, there are very, very few who didn't get support from within that country.
18:06There is somewhere, there is a mole, there is somebody who's providing a prop up. Now, perhaps the ISI was brilliant, brilliant enough to do this with the guy who has an American passport. And he comes and goes and nobody notices, it's possible. But the fact is that he flew directly from Pakistan to India. I mean, those are people normally that one looks at, you know, it's not something that we have every day.
18:32He was always told that our diplomats and our bureaucrats are very smart. In case they're given some instruction, which is an illegal instruction from either a superior or from the government, they make sure they make a file noting that on the instruction of so-and-so, David Coleman Headley is being permitted to come to India or so-and-so facilities are being extended to him.
18:51In case those files are open, Dr. Tara Kartha, will some of that information filter out today? Because perhaps it didn't earlier, but now with Tahavar Hussain Rana's interrogation, the sleeper cells, the connivers in India, that ecosystem, will some of those elements, are they likely to be exposed?
19:06Certainly, if it's on file. I mean, bureaucrats as by and large are a political, right? They don't have the slightest desire to get their pensions revoked. So there is, those things are going to come into play.
19:20But I can assure you one thing. During the entire episode within the National Security Council and our meetings, there was no question, no question at all that this was not a Pakistan episode.
19:34I mean, we had no doubts whatsoever, which is why we had that briefing, that intelligence report warning saying that there's going to be an attack.
19:43And yet there was an attack and yet we were caught sleeping and yet perhaps even the top police officers in Mumbai were focusing on this bogey of Hindu terror and we'll take that on another day though.
19:55And instead of focusing on the enemy across the border, Professor Brahma Chilani, somewhere down the line.
20:01Okay, I have breaking news coming in. Tahavar Hussain Rana is now en route to the NIA court in Delhi.
20:07That's the information we are being given. Rana is being transported in a highly secured cavalcade. There's massive security in place. Rana is to be produced before the NIA court.
20:20That's the information that is coming in right now. So utmost secrecy being maintained. The images that you see on your television screen, that image that India Today exclusively accessed,
20:31wearing that brown American prison uniform. And it's a special dangaree. If I may, a dangaree is like a loose one-piece clothing that you don't even zip it up.
20:45There are buttons and buttons made of cloth so that you cannot harm yourself. There is no way you can inflict any kind of self-harm through this clothing.
20:56And even when you, when the shoes that are given to you, there are no laces so that you cannot hang yourself. These are very clear instructions that are given.
21:07Okay, and I have Anmol Bali who's following that cavalcade, joining me on this broadcast. Anmol, bring us details. I believe it's a highly secure cavalcade that took a separate exit.
21:26Okay, so that is my colleague Anmol Bali who's tracking that cavalcade. And this is where utmost care was being taken to ensure that the exit from the Palam technical area in Delhi was through a different exit.
21:39So that there, there you see those visuals of that high-security cavalcade, high-speed cavalcade enroute the airport. And if you notice, the road has been cleared. No vehicle is permitted on that road as Tahavar Hussain Rana's cavalcade is enroute the central Delhi area.
21:58Patiala, Patiala House court and my colleague Anmol is tracking that story. So it's likely to be a late night for you and I as we report on this big story.
22:08Professor Chilani, very important that this be an absolutely transparent case. His production in court has to be there for the world to see.
22:18The NIA charges that are read out, seeking his custody, read out so that the world knows there is justice, it's fair, it's transparent.
22:29Well, what you say, Gaurav, is right. But, you know, in today's world, and this has been true of the world, always, that might makes right.
22:41If you, if you try to show that you are governed by the rule of law, that you follow the norms, all that is good.
22:50But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter because, after all, you are entitled under international law to do everything, to do anything and everything, to protect your security.
23:04International law gives every state the right to take all appropriate measures to defend itself.
23:11And the fact that this particular attack on Mumbai was masterminded by the next door adversary, Pakistan, through its rogue ISI agency, gave India all the opportunity to do what it wanted to do, to defend itself.
23:33The bigger question we have to ask ourselves, you know, especially in the context of what's unfolding now in terms of the whole Mumbai terror attacks are going to be replayed in the courtroom, the actors involved are going to be in the spotlight.
23:52But the question that we need to ask ourselves is, how is it that Pakistan continues to bleed India, although it's more than 10 times smaller in GDP terms, 7 times smaller demographically, and has several times lower military spending than India?
24:11Oh, absolutely.
24:12Sir, I want to play out these images full screen for a moment.
24:15That's the cavalcade that is en route to Patyala House Court in Delhi.
24:20It's going through the heart of Delhi right now from Palam Technical Area.
24:25Incidentally, it crosses an area very, very close to 7 Lok Kalyan Mark, which is the Prime Minister's residence.
24:32And for a moment, I want to touch upon that point because Chief Minister Narendra Modi was extremely disappointed when Tahavar Hussain Rana and David Coleman Headley were let off by the Chicago Federal Court in the 26-11 case, though they were convicted in the Copenhagen case.
24:47And he spoke about it, but today and tonight, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, as he watches these images, he would be a very satisfied man because India's efforts to bring the perpetrator of 26-11 to justice, they've worked so far.
25:01We need to ensure that Hafiz Mohammed Saeed also meets his maker and soon.
25:05But Anmol, Anmol Bali, my colleague, joins me.
25:09Anmol, bring us details about that high-security cavalcade that's taking this terrorist to Patyala House Court.
25:15Gaurav, the high-security cavalcade has just passed from the Dholakunga area and it has entered to the Mother Teresa Crescent.
25:27And within 10 to 12 minutes, we will be seeing that Tahavar Hussain Rana, who has been brought from United States, who has been extradited from United States, will be brought to the Patyala House Court where the other legal proceeding will take place.
25:41And currently, we have been chasing Tahavar Hussain Rana's cavalcade from the Dholakunga area where we have seen high-security as well as police van with the ambulance has been following the cavalcade, which has just passed from this area.
25:54And his medical examination has just took place at the Palam Technical Area.
25:58And this distance from Palam Technical Area to the Patyala House Court is around 20 minutes and where we have seen that no security arrangements were made to make it very secret.
26:08And currently, you can see in the visuals on the road, he has just passed from here.
26:13And around 10 minutes, he will be reaching at Patyala House Court.
26:16Gaurav.
26:17So, in 10 minutes, he will be in Patyala House Court.
26:19He will be presented before the special NIA court.
26:23And that is where the NIA will read out charges against him.
26:27And that is also the time, Anmol, and in a moment, we will bring in Nalini, who will join us from Patyala House Court, that it will be very clear that the Honorable Judge will also ask him if he is okay, if he has been tortured so far, if he is medically okay, he will hear him.
26:44That's the standard operating procedure, isn't it, Anmol?
26:52Yeah, Gaurav, the standard operating procedure will be followed.
26:55He will be asked about his medical and the well-being because he has come here after a long flight from the United States to Los Angeles.
27:02He has just came to Delhi where judges will be asking him his medical reports.
27:06This will be seen because he is around 60, but he is one of the key conspirators also of the 26-11 attacks.
27:14And there are many charges against him.
27:16Both legal as well as medical procedures will take place at Patyala House Court.
27:22Gaurav.
27:22Okay.
27:23Many thanks for joining me, Anmol.
27:25Keep tracking that cavalcade as we wait for Nalini to join us in just about a moment from now when we get details of what's transpiring in court.
27:33And Professor Chilani, very, very important right now for the world to realize that even a terrorist like Tahavar Hussain Rana who may have plotted a devilish terror attack.
27:46Imagine when all of us were horrified reporting or watching 26-11 Mumbai terror attacks.
27:53Tahavar Hussain Rana in Chicago was celebrating the terror attack.
27:56He wanted Pakistan's highest national award to be given to those 10 Pakistani terrorists.
28:01What a mindset this man has.
28:04Exactly.
28:05And, you know, not just the mindset, also the intent and the willingness to commit horrific terrorism and kill innocent civilians on a large scale.
28:23166 people were killed by these terrorists.
28:28The fact that such terrorists are able to roam freely in Pakistan, even today, the masterminds of the Mumbai attacks roam freely in Pakistan.
28:40So, even though Rana's expedition to India is a step toward bringing justice in this case, we should not forget that some of the real plotters and the people who have scripted the attacks are still fully roaming in Pakistan.
29:07And planning future terror attacks on India.
29:10Precisely.
29:11Precisely.
29:12And so, even though we are celebrating Rana's expedition to India, we should not forget the bigger challenge that India faces are to deal with a rogue adversary that doesn't follow any rules, any norms that uses terrorism openly as an instrument of state policy.
29:34Oh, absolutely.
29:35And I have Sajid Tarar.
29:37Dr. Tara Karthar, stay with me.
29:38Sajid Tarar, Trump, Republican Party leader and CEO of Center for Social Change, joins us from the United States of America.
29:46Sajid Tarar, should Pakistan be apprehensive?
29:51Would Pakistan be worried?
29:52Because officially, Pakistan is saying, he's a Canadian citizen, he's nothing to do with us.
29:56But can Pakistan get away by denying that he was a Pakistan army captain, he was a doctor in Pakistan, he was an Abdaalian from Hassan Abdaal Military Academy, he was in touch with Hafiz Saeed, he was in touch with Major Iqbal, he was in touch with Pakistani terrorists in Pakistan?
30:13First of all, that's a huge charge sheet which Pakistan has to explain, but let me tell you one thing.
30:21I have witnessed the Bombay massacre and frankly speaking, that day I cried myself when I saw innocent civilians…
30:30Sir, give me a moment.
30:31That's the first image of that armored SWAT special weapons and tactics team vehicle that was escorting this Pakistani terrorist.
30:39It reaches the Patiala house court, that's the first image that you see, it's the SWAT team that's flanking that vehicle and this is that vehicle in which Sajid Tarar, if I could bring you in for a moment, there you see, there you see, Tahavar Hussain Rana in that vehicle, he's being brought in, he's being brought in.
31:00Okay, I want to cut across to Nalini Singh joining us, Nalini, take it away, it's in full public glare that this terrorist Tahavar Rana has been brought in.
31:08The officials of Tahavar Rana being brought to the Patiala house court, the gates have been closed, as you can see, the police has closed the gates and there was a full cavalcade of security personnel who were accompanying him in a bulletproof vehicle, SWAT vehicle.
31:23Tahavar Rana has now officially come to the Patiala house court, he is now going to be produced before the special NIA judge.
31:28It's 10.30 right now when we are getting this live report from the Patiala house court, NIA is going to be asking for his remand.
31:35We have the NIA prosecutors who are already present in court and Tahavar Rana's lawyer, advocate Piyush Sashdeva is also present in court who is going to be presenting his defence.
31:45Those were the first live visuals that we've got you of Tahavar Rana reaching Patiala house court.
31:50This is the first time he is going to be produced before a court of law in India and there are going to be several more appearances during the days as we can expect the proceedings in the case to go on.
31:59Today what we are expecting is for the NIA to seek maximum custody of Tahavar Rana which is at least 30 days but they will have to prove a case for exactly why they want that custody and only when the judge is satisfied with the reasons given by the NIA is when the judge is going to decide as to whether or not the custody should be granted.
32:17So it remains to be seen how many days custody NIA will get and also what kind of interrogation will be done.
32:22Remember these are in-camera proceedings that are happening at Patiala house court essentially because it's an NIA case.
32:28It's highly sensitive, it pertains to the security of the nation which is why it's going to be in-camera proceedings where no outside public, no media personnel are going to be allowed inside the courtroom.
32:38In fact all media personnel have also been asked to move out of the court premises itself.
32:43So no media person is even allowed inside the courtroom at this minute.
32:47We will have to wait and see how long the proceedings will go on for.
32:50Hopefully it will be a short hearing.
32:52The judge is already inside.
32:54Judge Chandrajit Singh is going to be hearing the matter.
32:56And in just a few minutes from now we can expect him to be officially produced before the court.
33:01Nalini this is huge.
33:03This is huge.
33:04I am not sure how many people expected to see this in our lifetimes.
33:08That this Pakistani terrorist would actually be brought back to India to face trial for 26-11 Mumbai terror attacks and his role in 26-11.
33:18So Nalini describe to us who are the people who are permitted to be inside the court right now.
33:23There will be the honourable judge.
33:25There will be the, who is the prosecution lawyer.
33:27Who is the defence lawyer.
33:28And Tahavar Hussain Rana.
33:30How much time will the defence lawyer have with him before the case comes up in court?
33:34Well, Gaurav, first and foremost it's going to be Judge Chandrajit Singh, the special NIA judge who is going to be hearing the case.
33:42Along with him there's going to be his court staff which is going to be inclusive of two people whose job will be to record all the important aspects regarding the proceedings.
33:51And also when the order is being dictated they will have to note down the order.
33:54In addition to that there is the prosecution team which essentially consists of senior advocates Dayan Krishnan who is leading the NIA team when it comes to this prosecution.
34:02Interesting thing to point out over here, Gaurav, is that Dayan Krishnan is also the lawyer who was leading the entire case regarding Tahavar Hussain Rana's extradition in the US.
34:12Which means that he's been working on this case for the past several months and now he's been appointed as the special public prosecutor and he's going to be leading the case on behalf of the arguments of the NIA.
34:22Along with that we also have his juniors who are going to be working with him.
34:25So basically Dayan Krishnan's legal team, along with that we also have Narendra Man who was a special public prosecutor appointed by the centre to take care of the filing and all of the strategy regarding this case who is also present in court.
34:37This is from the prosecution side and the judicial side.
34:40On Tahavar Hussain Rana's side, of course Tahavar Hussain Rana himself is going to be present in court.
34:43It's going to be interesting to see whether or not he himself will address the judge and say anything because he's made several claims about his life being in threat if he's brought to India.
34:52So whether similar claims will be made before the court is something we have to watch out for.
34:57Along with him he also has his lawyer, Piyush Sachdeva, who is appointed by the Delhi State Legal Services Authority, who is representing him in his custody hearing only.
35:06Only in the custody hearing.
35:08Another important point to point out, Gaurav, is that Piyush Sachdeva, who is Tahavar Hussain Rana's lawyer, and Tahavar Hussain Rana have not had any time together to develop a defence strategy.
35:19So there is a possibility that the judge might give them some time to sit together away from the prosecution team to decide what kind of a strategy can be worked out to get some leniency for Tahavar Hussain Rana.
35:30Because the NIA will be putting their best foot forward and hoping for the maximum custody in the case.
35:35Okay, now explain this to our viewers and I want, you know, Sajid Tarar and Dr. Tara Kartha also to stay with me.
35:43And we want to understand from you, since you've seen these court documents, India sought this case and fought this case through all the courts in the United States,
35:54all the way till the Supreme Court of the United States to get his custody to bring him to India.
35:59Now, what is the evidence? What are the charges against him? And what is the evidence of his involvement in 2611?
36:05That India was able to convince courts in the United States and now will have to convince courts in India to convict him on those terror charges, Nalini?
36:14Well, Gaurav, first and foremost, the main charge against Tahavar Hussain Rana is the fact that he was part of a larger criminal conspiracy along with David Headley in planning the 2611 attacks.
36:27But along with that, there is the detailed involvement of Tahavar Hussain Rana to the 2611 attacks that has been detailed out by the NIA,
36:35where they've spoken about the kind of logistical and financial support that Tahavar Hussain Rana had provided to David Headley and several other members while they were on ground in India planning out the attacks.
36:45And this was done through Tahavar Hussain Rana's contacts in India.
36:48Now, whether or not details of those contacts will be revealed in the course of the investigation is something we have to watch out for.
36:54Another interesting thing that the NIA said is that Tahavar Hussain Rana and David Headley were constantly in communication with each other during the time when Tahavar Hussain Rana was in Chicago and David Headley was visiting India.
37:06In fact, during the eight visits that David Headley made to India, Tahavar Hussain Rana and he spoke on the phone over 200 times.
37:12There were several multiple emails that were exchanged all the time from different IDs and in coded language so that it doesn't flag up on any security system.
37:21So all of these precautions were being taken by them.
37:24And this was a carefully planned out attack where the planning started three years before the attack in 2005 and finally executed on the 26th of November, 2008.
37:32Stay with me and I want to bring in Sajid Tarar and Shivani Sharma, my colleague and our guests from the United States on this broadcast.
37:40Sajid Tarar, apologies, I had to interrupt you as that breaking news and those visuals came in.
37:44Complete your points, sir.
37:46Should Pakistan be embarrassed?
37:48Will details now, Pakistan's skeletons come tumbling out of the closet?
37:52Today, you know, I want to say today, today's word, there is no room for terrorism or there is no room for this kind of activity in the world, matter of fact.
38:03I have eyewitnessed the Bombay massacre and that day, frankly speaking, I cried myself the way they have butchered innocent people.
38:11And today, I will say that what goes around comes around.
38:15And today, the Rana coming to India, matter of fact, it's a big victory of law and order.
38:21It's a big victory for India.
38:23And even then, David Hadley has to see what he has done to the people, innocent people.
38:28There is no room for terrorism in 2025.
38:32So, matter of fact, I definitely condemn the act of Bombay massacre and whatever he has done, he has to suffer it.
38:41He has to pay for that.
38:42That's what I believe in.
38:44No, but tell me this.
38:45Pakistan's foreign office, and I'm sure you heard the Pakistan foreign office spokesperson washing their hands off, saying he's a Canadian national now.
38:53He hasn't renewed his Pakistani card for two decades.
38:56Can Pakistan wash its hands off?
38:58Or is Pakistan playing a very dangerous game even today, sir?
39:02No, matter of fact, I think the Pakistan has a moral obligation to clarify themselves that they are not involved in it.
39:09Because just saying that he's not a Pakistani citizen is not sufficient enough.
39:16He was born there.
39:17Or they have to at least prove it that they were not involved in it.
39:21Because at the same time, I give them the benefit of a doubt.
39:25Because a lot of Pakistanis, those have left Pakistan.
39:28They have been fighting in Afghanistan.
39:30They have been fighting in Syria and Yemen and a lot of places.
39:33And ultimately, the state of Pakistan is not responsible for that.
39:37But they have to prove, they have to tell them, they have to prove it to the world and India at the same time, that they are not involved in it.
39:44I'm sorry, sir, you're being naive.
39:46Sir, Sajid Tarar, permit me.
39:48Permit me, sir.
39:50Pakistan's state was involved.
39:52And there is evidence in public domain that implicates Pakistan.
39:56And that information is Abu Jundal, who was sitting in that Karachi control room.
40:02There is Hafiz Saeed.
40:03There's David Coleman, Headley.
40:04And you know, so those Madarsa chap Pakistanis will never concede.
40:09You're a highly educated man and you live in the United States.
40:12And you have criticized Pakistan state-sponsored terror in the past.
40:15So you will understand, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Chicago trapped David Coleman, Headley, and Tahavar Hussain Rana.
40:22Sir, I covered that trial in Chicago.
40:25They found evidence of David Coleman, Headley, being in touch with a certain Ilyas Kashmiri, with Hafiz Saeed, giving details of the training, that major Iqbal of Pakistan army.
40:37There is electronic evidence.
40:38There are email exchanges.
40:40There is money trail.
40:41That's an open and shut case.
40:43FBI case, not NIA, not Indian case.
40:45FBI case.
40:46Now, Pakistan cannot be given benefit of the doubt, sir.
40:49Pakistan needs to prosecute, which it hasn't, since 2008.
40:53Now we're in 2025.
40:55I definitely agree with you.
40:57If these are the charges, I'm telling you that Pakistan has to clarify.
41:00They have to prove it that they are not behind it.
41:03Or if they are, how they were, or whatever they were.
41:06Plus, at the same time, let me tell you, the Pakistan, of course, in the past, has a very tainted past at the same time when Russia came to Afghanistan.
41:14And here, keep in your mind, the Pakistan itself is a victim of terrorism right now.
41:20Almost more than 1,500 people lost their lives in Pakistan in 2024.
41:26So the thing is that they have to step up.
41:29I definitely agree with you that if these are the things they have to tell the work, they have to tell India.
41:34They have to take the steps.
41:36And I tell you one thing, the Pakistan's survival, Pakistan's growth is contingent upon a relationship with India, Bangladesh, Iran, and Afghanistan.
41:44And they have to take care of their neighbors.
41:47This is definitely, I agree with you.
41:49It's not that I'm disagreeing with you, but it's a charge sheet that Pakistan has to prove.
41:54The ball is on their court.
41:56I definitely agree with you, 100%.
41:57And I condemn whatever they did.
42:00And I told you that day, I still feel the pain of the innocent Indians losing their lives that night in Mumbai.
42:09Another point that I want to raise and I want to bring in my colleague Shivani also.
42:12And I want you to hear because you are heard very widely even in Pakistan.
42:16You can drum some sense into those people which the world unfortunately hasn't succeeded.
42:21You see, Pakistan was involved not just in 2611 Mumbai terror attacks in 2008.
42:26Because India did not respond the way Narendra Modi government did after Pulwama by bombing Balakot, Pakistan attacked us again.
42:34After 2611 Mumbai terror attacks, there was a blast in German Bakery.
42:38There was an attack that took place in Pune.
42:40There was an attack that took place in Zaweri Bazar in Mumbai once again.
42:44Then there were attacks that took place in Pulwama, in Pathankot, in Uri, in Samba, in Kathwa, in Udhampur.
42:50Pakistan continued its terror because it thought, okay, there is no response from India.
42:55It's a weak, you know, the way, the so-called Gazwa-e-Hind, that these are chaps who will never hit back.
43:02They'll only threaten Aarpaar ki Ladaai.
43:04Till the time Narendra Modi decided that enough is enough and he bombed Balakot,
43:08after which there hasn't been a single terror attack outside Jammu Kashmir.
43:11How do you view that?
43:12Before I bring in Shivani, I want you to respond.
43:14Why did Balakot change the equation in your appreciation?
43:17No terror attack in India after 2019.
43:20Outside Jammu Kashmir.
43:22I definitely agree with you.
43:24They have, like I told you, they have to move forward with, you know, from this point,
43:30whatever they believe in, the good Taliban or bad Taliban, good terrorists or bad terrorists,
43:35they have to change that.
43:36They have to move forward with their neighbors.
43:39They have to solve these issues.
43:41They have to come with the clean hands.
43:42They have to satisfy India and all other neighbors that we are not behind, that we are not promoting it.
43:49The ball is in their court.
43:51I'm telling you.
43:52The thing is this.
43:53The regime has changed there in Pakistan at the same time.
43:56And maybe that today's regime is not behind some of the recent attacks.
44:00Or maybe they are not supporting the recent, you know, or any new activities or something.
44:06But they still have to clarify that whatever the plan is, what kind of relationship they want to have with the neighbors.
44:13I definitely, you know, recommend this to the Pakistan.
44:17They have to come clean and they have to make sure that our neighbors are safe, lives are saved.
44:22And we are, I mean, say Pakistan is not, or any other state, matter of fact, frankly speaking,
44:27every life on this planet is important.
44:29Every life.
44:30So we have to, they have to realize that in 2025, there is no room for terrorism.
44:37I completely agree with you, sir.
44:39You know, I wish there were more like you in Pakistan and people listen to you in Pakistan.
44:44Because my big apprehension is that Pakistan still lives in whatever century, 7th century, 14th century,
44:51we do not know that they are still waging Gazwai Hind.
44:54Every Pakistani thinks he is some Qasim trying to wage jihad against India.
44:59But they don't realize, they don't realize that they never succeeded.
45:04This is what I always tell them, that you have to move forward with artificial intelligence.
45:08You have to learn from India.
45:10You have to, you have to adjust with the world versus like exactly whatever you're telling me that,
45:16you know, moving back, you know, towards the Taliban kind of a mindset towards that,
45:21towards, you know, whatever the 7th century, 14th century.
45:25But the thing is this, even then in 1400th century, killing somebody cannot give you anything or hurting somebody.
45:32I hope somebody is listening to me.
45:34I'm continuously preaching that we have been living in this area since centuries.
45:40We have to live in peace.
45:41We have to give a chance to a love and harmony.
45:43That is the only way forward.
45:45And I want to bring in my colleague Shivani and I want you to stay with us, sir, because this is a very important discussion.
45:51And as you know well, India first and India today is very widely watched on either side of the border.
45:58Shivani, what is very important?
46:01Because Pakistan has given us sweet words in the past.
46:03And, you know, I have covered a lot of these cases, Shivani.
46:07When Atal Bihari Vajpayee, then Prime Minister in 1999, was going on that Lahore bus to Pakistan,
46:13Pakistan was sending in its army in India and waging that Kargil war against us.
46:19Musharraf said, I will not let the Pakistani territory be used against India.
46:22And we had a series of train blasts.
46:24200 people died in Mumbai.
46:25So I can, you know, rattle off these statistics because I've covered all these terror attacks.
46:30But Shivani, India does not want sweet words from Pakistan.
46:32India wants sweet action.
46:34India wants action against Hafiz Saeed.
46:35Isn't it, Shivani?
46:36That is what government of India has been insisting.
46:38Take action against Hafiz Saeed.
46:40Take action against Masood Azhar.
46:41But do we see that happening at all, Shivani?
46:48It's just not happening from the Pakistan side.
46:50And this is the issue why this whole investigation got delayed.
46:54Whatever evidences, whatever support was required of Pakistan for this investigation was denied by Pakistan.
47:00Pakistan has been lying in a number of cases, even though there is enough evidence in this particular attack also, 26-11 attack also.
47:10Gaurab and the investigation that had been moving ahead was halted because of the attitude of Pakistan and the denial it has been making.
47:20But there are enough evidences that the agencies have already put forth in this particular massacre that took place.
47:27Not only Hedley and Tahabur Rana, but there are more faces that will be brought to justice.
47:33They will be brought ahead and they will be exposed once again with the fact that how they were getting support from Pakistan,
47:39how these conspirators, the conspirators were not only in India, but also they had some support from Pakistan.
47:47And now when the investigation has already started, the whole focus is at the NIA court right now, Gaurab,
47:51where the proceedings, the in-camera proceedings have already started.
47:54And very soon, when layers of this investigation will get unfolded, we will get to know more about this particular conspiracy, this attack, the 26-11 attack.
48:07And the world knows about Pakistan, how it has been allowing, it has been claiming and hiding its own casualties.
48:13We have been reporting it every day.
48:15And in this particular matter also, Pakistan might try to wash off its hands of Tahabur Rana and his being a Pakistani.
48:25But the fact remains that he is a Pakistani.
48:28He has been involved in this conspiracy with the support of Pakistani terrorists.
48:32He has been in close communication with the ISI.
48:35He has been in close communication with the Lashkar-e-Tayaba terrorists.
48:39And he has been conspiring, planning, facilitating their movements, logistics, information in India.
48:45That made this massacre possible on 26-11.
48:48And you know, all this information, Sajid Tarar, I want to draw you into this conversation once again.
48:53So, when 26-11 happened, there was tremendous international outrage.
48:57Because six Americans had died, a large number of Jewish people died in that Havad house,
49:02a large number of Europeans had died in these 166 who were massacred.
49:06And the world watched it live on television, including that conversation, incidentally,
49:10a conversation that took place between these Pakistani terrorists and their handlers in Karachi.
49:14That was also traced back.
49:15But, sir, I want to draw your attention to an investigation that was carried out by Pakistan's Federal Investigation Agency.
49:22There was a person called Mr. Khosa, who was heading FIA.
49:26His investigation found out that Kassab and the nine other terrorists were trained in Pakistan.
49:31They were trained in Thatta Sindh.
49:33The same bullets that were fired in Mumbai were recovered from a safe house in Thatta Sindh.
49:39Same markings.
49:40Same markings of Pakistan's Ordnance Factory.
49:42POF markings in grenades.
49:45That's not all, sir.
49:46Pakistan Navy trained them in operating a speedboat, that dinghy boat that they used.
49:51That Yamaha engine was sold by Japan to Pakistan that was used in that boat.
49:58That boat was then quickly repainted that dropped these terrorists to international waters and came back.
50:02I know this because I've covered this case in Mumbai and in Chicago and followed the trial that took place in Pakistan from India.
50:09Unfortunately, the terrorists were never punished, sir.
50:12In fact, terrorists were giving birth to children in Adiyala Jail.
50:15Terrorists like Zarar Shah and Zakir Rahman Lakwi.
50:18Chacha ji was giving birth to people in jail, sir.
50:20What action is Pakistan's terrorist?
50:22It's a very sad reality, to be honest with you.
50:27There is no excuse.
50:28There is nothing.
50:29Whatever you're just telling me, it is an embarrassing situation.
50:32But here at the same time, like I told you, this is not the state we have to move forward with it.
50:37Even then today, let me tell you, if I'm watching because I'm living in Washington, D.C.
50:42and I'm staying on the current affairs, whatever is happening in Blachistan today,
50:46whatever happens in Pakistan, they are blaming everything on India.
50:50And whatever is happening there, they are blaming there.
50:52But still, there is no clarification for Bombay attacks, whatever happened that day.
50:57No, but sir, that's false equivalence.
50:58What I have listed out to you is evidence, evidence vetted by courts of law in India and in the United States of America.
51:06What Pakistan is giving is ISI spiel.
51:09There's a big difference.
51:11There is not an iota of evidence of Indian, alleged Indian involvement in Blachistan.
51:16Not a shred of evidence.
51:17In fact, Commander Kulbhushan Jadav that Pakistan often talks about was abducted from Iran and taken to Pakistan.
51:25That has also been proven in courts of law.
51:27So, sir, you know, since we track these stories very closely, Pakistani lies what Pakistani state.
51:33You know, because ISI, my personal appreciation is they are very low IQ people.
51:37Because we've seen them, we've seen them over the years.
51:40We've seen what happened in 47, 48, we've seen 65, we've seen 71.
51:45Pakistan's IQ is a little bit of a problem, sir.
51:47He is a tactical level commander, he is a general, he keeps the mindset tactical, he keeps the company commander.
51:52He doesn't think so much.
51:54And that is why they get caught out.
51:56They get caught out, sir.
51:57And maybe that is one of the reasons, you know, matter of fact, whatever is going on in Pakistan right now, they are a victim of whatever they have done in the past.
52:03So, the thing is this, like I told you, they have to change.
52:06They have to move forward with it, with the neighbors.
52:09They have to prove them that they are not behind all of these things.
52:13And we are moving forward with the trade and artificial intelligence.
52:16And we have to become a good neighbor.
52:17That is the only solution I have been always trying to promote and trying to tell people.
52:21So, the thing is, there is no solution without having a relationship with India, with Iran, with Afghanistan and with all the neighbors.
52:28So, that is the only way forward.
52:30I mean, in 2025, there is no room for, they cannot stay on the same status.
52:36They have to move forward with it.
52:37They have to take the baby steps or the major steps to tell India that we will be a good neighbor in the future.
52:44So, why doesn't it happen in your view?
52:48Why doesn't it happen?
52:49Because I've heard this many times.
52:50You know, I've heard Musharraf say, my territory will not be used against India.
52:55I've heard him say all the sweet things, even in Agra.
52:58We covered the Agra summit.
53:01And still, on ground, nothing changes.
53:04The deep state ISM is too powerful.
53:07No, in the future, if they have to move forward and improve their economy,
53:11or they have to start a trade with India or something, they have to make sure that they are not behind anything.
53:19They are not against the Indian people or the welfare of it.
53:24They have to make sure, they have to change.
53:26This is, I'm always trying to preach and teach.
53:28This is what I always do there.
53:29Because, like I told you, I condemn every single terrorist attack on the planet.
53:36Because this is not the move forward.
53:38This is not the...
53:39This is barbarian steps.
53:42And I told you that whatever happened in Bombay...
53:44I agree with you.
53:45It's a barbaric state.
53:46Sir, stay with me for a moment.
53:47I have breaking news coming in and I want to play out those images full screen for a moment.
53:50They're coming in from the NIA headquarters.
53:53That's the National Investigation Agency headquarters.
53:55Watch these images.
53:56Additional deployment of the Central Armed Police Forces taking place.
54:01Which means, I want to cut across to Shivani.
54:04Shivani Sharma is standing by at the NIA headquarters.
54:07Shivani, we suddenly notice massive movement.
54:10This is more than a company's strength, it seems.
54:12Yes, Gaurav, there was a movement of this CAPF forces outside the NIA headquarters.
54:23Though it was a short movement and now they've moved to another side of the road.
54:27So, the things are not very clear that when Taha Burrana will be brought here.
54:32Will he be coming here today after the hearing?
54:35But the NIA has been preparing through the day since morning.
54:39There have been additional deployments outside the NIA headquarters.
54:41You can still see these vehicles, the special vehicles that have been placed outside the NIA headquarters since morning.
54:48These are the vehicles which will be protecting the convoy of Taha Burrana.
54:53There are barricades on the road.
54:54The road has remained closed since morning today.
54:57And meanwhile, we've been watching these movements of forces outside the NIA headquarters.
55:03So, now when the hearing goes on at the NIA special court, very soon we might hear from the agencies the next step after the court decides about the custody.
55:14So, here at the NIA headquarters, also the securities are being beefed up.
55:19Okay, keep tracking that story.
55:21Shivani, Nalini is also with me.
55:23And you know, our brightest reporters on Ground Zero, our reporters and editors on Ground Zero getting you a 360 degree perspective of this big story.
55:31It's a day of immense satisfaction.
55:33It's not that we set the bar low and celebrate a low jump.
55:37But this is an important milestone in that long road to justice.
55:41That man to the right of your television screen, that professor of terror, Hafiz Mohammed Said, he still needs to be arrested, prosecuted, punished and God willing hanged for not just 2611 Mumbai terror attacks,
55:54but parliament attack, Red Fort attack, a series of terror attacks in India post-1993, which was Mumbai blast, which was blamed on Dawud Ibrahim Kaskar and Pakistan's ISI.