As 26/11 Mumbai attack conspirator Tahawwur Rana was arrested following his extradition to India on Thursday, survivors and eyewitnesses felt a sense of hope that the victims of the deadly cowardly attack may finally get justice.
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00:00Over 160 killed in 2611 terror attacks.
00:07One of the worst terror strikes to hit India.
00:1417 years later, key conspirator extradited from US.
00:21Tahavar Rana brought to India.
00:25Main masterminds still in Pakistan.
00:32When will 2611 victims get closure?
00:38That's right, my friends.
00:41When will the victims of that deadly terror attack against India, 2611,
00:47when do the victims' families get justice?
00:50That's the question we're going to raise on a day when a key conspirator has been extradited to this country.
00:57We will be talking to those who went through the horror of 2611,
01:02as well as those who've tracked terror over the years.
01:05You're with the news today.
01:07Your prime time destination for news, newsmakers and talking points.
01:11As always, it's time for the nine headlines at nine.
01:16The first image of 2611 plotter Tahavar Rana is out.
01:22One, he has been formally arrested now by the NIA moments after he landed in Delhi this evening.
01:30NIA will confront key conspirator Rana with the proof of Pakistan's involvement in 2611.
01:39Exclusive details on India today of how Tahavar Rana was a key conspirator in that terror attack.
01:482611 survivors seek death for Rana.
01:56Demand that his trial be swift and sure.
02:03Amidst the big buzz over a BJP-AIDMK alliance in Tamil Nadu,
02:07Union Home Minister Amit Shah lands in Chennai.
02:10Sources say EPS will hold a second round of talks with him for the 2026 assembly elections.
02:20Politics continues to escalate over the waqf law.
02:23Bihar leader of opposition Tejasvi Yadav claims RJD won't implement the act in Bihar
02:29if they are chosen to power protests in other parts of the country.
02:33It's protest versus protest in Karnataka after the BJP launches a Jan Akrosh Yatra over back-to-back price hikes in the state.
02:44Congress announces a counter-protest from 17th April over fuel price hikes by the centre.
02:54An India Today impact day after the Haryana bethi bachau expose doctor behind sex determination and female feticide is suspended.
03:01The US versus China trade war intensifies.
03:07Beijing says Trump's fight will end in failure from iPhones to steel.
03:11World braces for impact.
03:15An MS Dhoni is appointed once again as captain of CSK after Ruthuraj Gaikwad is ruled out of the season due to a hairline fracture of the elbow.
03:31The big story that we are breaking, key 2611 plotter, Tahawur Rana, who landed at New Delhi's Palam airport a short while ago, is to be taken now to the NIA court.
03:48NIA has already formally arrested Tahawur Rana.
03:52The first images that we got a short while ago were of the back of the 2611 plotter who has for the last decade been evading extradition to India.
04:03Finally, the US courts extradited him and Rana has now landed on Indian soil.
04:09He will be taken to an NIA court.
04:11Prosecutor defense lawyers are currently at the NIA court where the proceedings will take place shortly.
04:19He is expected then to be taken into custody and the interrogation will continue.
04:28Let's get the very latest from Shivani Sharma who joins us live from the NIA headquarters and Nalini Sharma who is at the NIA court at the moment.
04:37Shivani, first to you.
04:40Tahawur Rana landed earlier this evening.
04:44What happens next?
04:46Tahawur Rana has landed in India at around 6.30pm at the Palam airport and he has been formally arrested by the NIA.
04:59We also saw the first pictures though of his back.
05:01This was the first picture that has been released by the NIA when he has been arrested after a medical that was done when he landed here at Palam.
05:09And shortly he will be coming to the NIA court at the Patiala house court where all the preparations have been done.
05:16And we know that the NIA wants to take custody of Rana for investigations to move further.
05:22And NIA has also prepared the NIA headquarters so that after the custody is granted to the NIA, he can be brought to the NIA headquarters.
05:33The DG has been monitoring the extradition and also the preparations here for the investigations to start.
05:39So this is a big day when Tahawur Rana has landed in India after a long battle from India and the agencies have accompanied him from America to India.
05:51And now after the court hears the matter and the NIA puts all those reasons for which the custody should be granted to the NIA, the court will be deciding upon whether the custody should be given to the NIA
06:06or he should be kept in police custody and he might also be moved to Tihar jail.
06:11So the proceedings will move as soon as possible after Rana reaches the court and the preparations are all done.
06:18The NIA headquarters, the court has been sanitized.
06:22Let's go to the NIA court where Nalini Sharma who spearheads our legal team joins us.
06:28Nalini, you had got access to the dossier the NIA has prepared against Tahawur Rana.
06:33What exactly are the charges that the NIA intends to bring against him?
06:38What does the NIA believe it has which is foolproof enough to ensure that they can perhaps give the maximum penalty to Tahawur Rana?
06:51Well Rajdeep, what the sources within the team prosecution have told us at India Today is that they are developing a watertight case against Tahawur Rana
07:00including all of the details that they have accessed during the course of the investigation done so far.
07:05What we have given to understand from the NIA charge sheet is that the main case regarding, against Tahawur Rana rather,
07:11is the larger conspiracy case between him and David Headley about how logistical and financial support was provided by Tahawur Rana to David Headley
07:19during the several visits that David Headley made to India.
07:22In fact, Tahawur Rana himself had also visited India just five days before the attacks had happened on the 26th of November 2008.
07:30On the 21st of November, he had left India.
07:32So all of those aspects will be looked into by the NIA and more importantly,
07:37now that the NIA will likely get custody of Tahawur Rana, they are also going to interrogate him.
07:42So this is not just the only limited amount of allegations or charges that will be levied against him.
07:49There is a possibility that more things related to the same incident of the 2611 attacks might come out into the public domain
07:56after the NIA has had some chance to interrogate Tahawur Rana who has been a key piece and a key link
08:01into the entire conspiracy that was hatched to create terror during the 2611 attacks.
08:06So only after the interrogation is when we can know whether or not there will be any additional charges levied on him
08:12for which he can eventually be tried.
08:14For today, what we are expecting in the court is going to be a custody hearing
08:18where the NIA is likely to seek maximum custody of Tahawur Rana.
08:22We are given to understand that might extend to 30 days considering the seriousness of his crimes
08:26and in some certain special circumstances, it can also be extended to more than 30 days.
08:31So it remains to be seen how long the custody NIA asks for and also what Tahawur Rana's lawyer
08:36who has been appointed by the State Legal Services Authority is going to say in his defence
08:41because they are going to try and get some sort of leniency on medical grounds
08:45because Tahawur Rana ever since his time in the US has been saying that there are several ailments
08:50that he is suffering with because of which he needs urgent medical care.
08:54Very quickly though, you said that the links as the dossier of the NIA makes it very clear
08:59is Tahawur Rana and David Headley being involved in the larger plot, the conspiracy of 2611.
09:06Now, David Headley is in the United States and the US has allowed him to stay there.
09:11He had a plea bargain and therefore he will not be brought back.
09:16Tahawur Rana and his links to the Lashkar-e-Toiba, to Hafiz Said, to Zakir Rahman, Lakvi and the conspirators
09:24also presumably will be part of what we are told is a pretty detailed questionnaire the NIA has prepared.
09:34Well, absolutely Rajiv and the reason for that is because Tahawur Rana played such a key role
09:38in planning out the attacks because without his involvement, there was no link that could be ascertained
09:44with David Headley back to India because all of the logistical support, all the financial support
09:49while David Headley was in India was arranged by Tahawur Rana only.
09:54Along with that, he was also in regular touch with members of the LAT.
09:57In fact, David Headley had gone all the way to Chicago to meet Tahawur Rana when the planning for the attack had begun
10:03and they had a detailed discussion and it was on instructions of Hafiz Said
10:07that Tahawur Rana had also visited Dubai to meet with the people regarding this entire attack.
10:12So, it's a very key role that Tahawur Rana has played in this entire conspiracy.
10:16He's also in the know-how of not only the 2611 attacks but also what kind of future attacks were being planned
10:22by the LAT at that particular point.
10:24So, possibly NIA is going to be asking him questions regarding those plans that were being made
10:30by the terrorist organizations at that time to create terror in India as to what kind of answers he gives
10:36if any or whether he'll just evade is something that we'll know only once the interrogation happens.
10:40Okay, we'll wait and see how that happens but at the moment pretty certain that he will be in NIA's custody
10:46possibly for as long as 30 days.
10:48Nalini and Shivani for joining me, appreciate you giving us the latest details there.
10:53Now, Tahawur Rana's extradition is a big win for the Modi government and Indian investigators.
10:59A former captain in the Pakistani army, Rana was a key figure in planning and coordinating
11:05the 2611 Mumbai terror attack.
11:08It was Rana in particular who helped David Coleman-Hedley, the man who surveyed the terror targets in Mumbai,
11:14get entry into India and then open a front for the Lashkar-e-Thoiba.
11:18Divesh Singh and Nalini Sharma now decode for you the importance of Tahawur Rana.
11:31The 2611 terror attacks were planned and executed.
11:37Captain Tahawur Rana is one of the key co-conspirators of the 2611 attack.
11:42The man who provided logistic, financial and other support to David Coleman-Hedley.
11:49Headley conducted extensive surveillance of targets in Mumbai, acting as a link between L.E.T. and Pakistan's spy agency ISI.
12:01David Headley took Rana's help to travel to India.
12:08It was Tahawur Rana who obtained the visa for David Headley by giving wrong information at the Indian Consulate in Chicago.
12:17David Headley, in conspiracy with Tahawur Rana, started an immigration firm in Mumbai.
12:22The company First World International was used as a cover for carrying out L.E.T. and Huji operations.
12:29This is the same locality where in 2006, Tahawur Rana set up a branch office of his immigration and visa agency.
12:42Between 2006 and 2008, using this agency office of Tahawur Rana, David Coleman-Hedley made four to five trips to Mumbai and scouted for various locations.
12:57These locations were pinpointed by him using a GPS unit and then shared with the terrorists who carried out the attacks on 26 November 2008.
13:08In June 2006, Headley travelled to Chicago where he met with Rana and discussed the entire terror plot.
13:18Since Rana was a former Pakistan army captain, Headley assured him of all help through Pakistan ISI handler Major Iqbal.
13:27I am at the office of Tahawur Hussain Rana, the First World Immigration Office at Devon Avenue.
13:36This is where Tahawur Hussain Rana used to sit.
13:39David Coleman-Hedley used this First World Immigration, the name of this office to spread terror, not just in India, but also in Denmark.
13:48In Denmark, Devon Avenue is called Chicago's Chandni Chowk, but here at Chicago's Chandni Chowk, now there is genuine fear that undercover agents would be seen in larger numbers.
14:01Upon landing in India, a contact of Tahawur Hussain Rana arranged conveyance, lodging and other logistics for David Headley.
14:12In June 2007, with the assistance of Tahawur Hussain Rana, David Headley applied for an extension of his visa to India.
14:21Rana communicated extensively with Hussain Rana during his India visits.
14:25Tahawur Hussain Rana himself visited India between 13th and 21st November 2008, less than a week before 2611 terror attacks.
14:36Apart from Mumbai, he travelled to Delhi, Agra, Ahmedabad, Kuchin and Hapur.
14:44With his extradition, Pakistan's role has been nailed.
14:48Will it lead to action against mastermind Hafiz Saeed next?
14:53With Nivyeesh Singh and Nalini Sharma in Delhi, Bureau Report, India Today.
15:04I want to turn first to those who actually were there when 2611, that horrific day happened and their role in it.
15:11Brigadier Govind Singh Sisodia is former DIG Operations NSG. He was part of the team that did the anti-terror operation.
15:20Professor Rajita Kulkarni is a survivor of the 2611 Mumbai terror attack. She was there at that particular time.
15:26I'll be joined by my other guests a little later. I also want to go to Hemant Baudankar. Hemant Baudankar was an inspector along with Tukaram Omle who actually got hold of Ajmal Qasab.
15:42And that really was the key. And I want to turn to you Mr. Baudankar first.
15:47When you heard today that Ahavur Rana was brought back.
15:52What did you remember once again when Tukaram Omle took Kassab, Kassab was showering bullets at him despite that.
16:04You and your brave team of police officers had set up their barricades that stopped Kassab.
16:09Tell us about that night.
16:14This car was running by Abu Ismail terrorist.
16:19And he was sitting on the seat.
16:21Abu Ismail had a lot of speed on our car.
16:24He was trying to run by the U-turn.
16:28He was trying to run by the U-turn.
16:30But the U-turn was wrong.
16:32And the car was on the road divider.
16:36I saw two terrorists inside.
16:39Abu Ismail said something about Kassab.
16:42Kassab took his hand-granate jacket and cleaned his mouth.
16:48I was convinced that he was the only terrorist.
16:52I was alerted my entire team.
16:55And when I was with Abu Ismail and the bird was on the ground,
17:00he started firing.
17:02And that was the answer to me.
17:04The officer took a round of fire.
17:08I was behind the car.
17:10And I had three bullets on the car.
17:12And I had three bullets on the car.
17:14And I had to kill them.
17:15And that time, Kassab pretended to be surrendered by putting hands up.
17:20And he opened the door.
17:23And when he came to the road,
17:25At that time,
17:26our Tukaram was on the back of the barricades.
17:31And at that time,
17:33Kassab put the AK-47 rifle in his jacket.
17:36And started firing.
17:38And the firing of the firing.
17:40The firing of our Tukaram was on the ground.
17:44The firing of our Tukaram was on the ground.
17:51But we got to kill the Kassab's gun.
17:56And that's why we went to kill the Kassab's gun.
17:58lose
17:58kar di hoti
17:59to shayad
18:00AK-47
18:01se
18:01waha
18:01hum
18:02sabhi
18:03sola ke
18:04sola
18:04police officer
18:06or maldar
18:07shahed
18:08ho jate
18:08te
18:08you know
18:10Tokara Momle
18:11was a remarkably
18:11brave officer
18:12who captured
18:13Kassab alive
18:14even at the
18:15cost of his
18:15life
18:16all these
18:17all these
18:17years later
18:18do you believe
18:19therefore
18:19Mr. Baudankar
18:20was this the
18:20most difficult
18:21day in your
18:22life
18:22aapke zindagy
18:23ka ye
18:23sabke
18:23sabse
18:24kathin
18:24din
18:25ho ga
18:25that was
18:31a black
18:31day of
18:31everybody's
18:32life
18:33of
18:33Indian
18:33citizen
18:34and
18:35definitely
18:35I was
18:36a
18:36witness
18:39of that
18:39incident
18:40so
18:41aaj bhi
18:41mai
18:41us
18:42jagha
18:43se
18:43guzarta
18:43ho
18:44to
18:44mujhe
18:44chabies
18:45gyara
18:45mere
18:46akho
18:46ke
18:47samane
18:47joh
18:48ghatna
18:48hui
18:48thi
18:49firing
18:50retaliation
18:51we
18:52amare
18:52Tukaram
18:52Amal
18:53Ji
18:53shahed
18:53huye
18:53sari
18:54ghatna
18:54ek
18:55pal
18:55mein
18:55me
18:55aankho
18:56ke
18:56saamne
18:56se
18:56gudar
18:57jati
18:57hai
18:57aur
18:58waha
18:59mein
18:59ah
18:59amare
19:00Tukaram
19:01Amal
19:01Ji
19:01ka
19:01joh
19:02ah
19:03statue
19:03bana
19:03hoa
19:03hai
19:04us
19:04ko
19:04us
19:05ke
19:05saamne
19:05bho
19:06hota
19:06ho
19:06ar
19:07unko
19:07naman
19:07karta
19:08ho
19:08kyunki
19:08ye
19:09joh
19:09ah
19:10ah
19:10amara
19:11jenam
19:11hai
19:11punar
19:12jenam
19:12woh
19:13unni
19:13ki
19:13Tukaram
19:14Amal
19:14Ji
19:14ji
19:14ki
19:14dene
19:15so
19:20there
19:20you
19:20have
19:20inspector
19:21bawdankar
19:22telling
19:22us
19:22about
19:23how
19:23kasab
19:23was
19:24caught
19:24now
19:24let's
19:24turn
19:25back
19:25to
19:25Tahavur
19:26Rana
19:26Brigadier
19:26Govind
19:27Singh
19:27Susodia
19:27former
19:28DIG
19:28Operations
19:29National
19:30Security
19:30Guard
19:30your
19:31memories
19:31of
19:31that
19:31day
19:32and
19:32when
19:33you
19:33heard
19:33about
19:34the
19:34news
19:34that
19:34Tahavur
19:35Rana
19:35was
19:35being
19:35extradited
19:36what
19:37was
19:37your
19:37first
19:37reaction
19:38your
19:38first
19:39feeling
19:40if
19:42you
19:42see
19:42in
19:43this
19:43entire
19:43operation
19:44everyone
19:45is aware
19:45who
19:46planned
19:46it
19:46how
19:47it
19:47was
19:47done
19:48but
19:48main
19:49culprit
19:49is
19:50open
19:51up
19:51now
19:51once
19:52he is
19:52with
19:52us
19:52he will
19:53open
19:53up
19:53if
19:54you
19:54look
19:54at
19:54the
19:54entire
19:54operation
19:55we
19:56have
19:56not
19:56been
19:56able
19:57to
19:57catch
19:57Indian
19:58links
19:58there
19:59has
20:00to
20:00be
20:00Indian
20:00link
20:00and
20:01you
20:02are
20:02from
20:02Mumbai
20:03if
20:03you
20:04see
20:04a
20:04person
20:04cannot
20:05reach
20:05at
20:06his
20:07own
20:07group
20:07cannot
20:08reach
20:08Chabad
20:09house
20:10you
20:10have
20:10to
20:10go
20:11behind
20:11the
20:11patrol
20:11pump
20:12and
20:12reach
20:12there
20:12and
20:13secondly
20:14the
20:14route
20:14they
20:14took
20:15once
20:15they
20:15got
20:15down
20:16from
20:16the
20:16boat
20:16they
20:17went
20:17through
20:17the
20:18railway
20:18colony
20:18there's
20:18a
20:19common
20:23man
20:23will not
20:24know
20:24in
20:24Mumbai
20:24people
20:25will
20:25not
20:25know
20:25so
20:26they
20:26were
20:26thoroughly
20:27briefed
20:27and
20:27he
20:29must
20:29have
20:29planned
20:30it
20:30seen
20:31it
20:31sent
20:31the
20:32video
20:32photograph
20:33and
20:33briefed
20:34all
20:34these
20:34people
20:34he
20:35was
20:35the
20:35main
20:35culprit
20:36so
20:36we
20:36were
20:36just
20:36waiting
20:37for
20:37him
20:37to
20:37come
20:37I
20:38felt
20:38very
20:38happy
20:39that
20:39at
20:40least
20:40the
20:40last
20:40man
20:41who
20:41needs
20:42to
20:42be
20:42hanged
20:43has
20:43been
20:43brought
20:43to
20:44India
20:44Professor
20:46Rajita
20:47Kulkarni
20:47a survivor
20:48of
20:482611
20:49you were
20:49at
20:49the
20:49Taj
20:50at
20:50the
20:50time
20:50your
20:51first
20:52thoughts
20:52when you
20:52heard
20:52that
20:53one
20:53of
20:53the
20:53key
20:53plotters
20:54who
20:54had
20:54evaded
20:55the
20:56police
20:56for
20:56years
20:57is
20:57finally
20:57back
20:58what
20:58were
20:58your
20:58first
20:59thoughts
20:59Rajita
20:59Rajdeep
21:02thank you
21:02for having
21:03me
21:03on your
21:03panel
21:04I
21:04think
21:05it's
21:05a
21:05huge
21:05day
21:06for
21:06us
21:06as
21:06Indians
21:07it's
21:08an
21:08extraordinary
21:08achievement
21:09and
21:09I
21:10really
21:10want to
21:11use
21:11this
21:11opportunity
21:12to
21:14President
21:15Trump
21:16Prime
21:17Minister
21:17Modi
21:17Jai
21:18Shankar
21:18all
21:18our
21:19investigative
21:19and
21:19security
21:20agencies
21:20it has
21:21taken
21:2216-17
21:23years
21:23but they
21:24have been
21:24at it
21:24relentlessly
21:25with a
21:26lot of
21:26focus
21:27and I
21:28think
21:28today
21:28is a
21:29day
21:29for us
21:30as a
21:30nation
21:30to feel
21:32that sense
21:32of strength
21:33that we
21:34cannot be
21:34taken for
21:35granted
21:35you cannot
21:36enter my
21:37nation
21:37open a
21:38terror attack
21:39and expect
21:40for nothing
21:40to happen
21:41so it's
21:41a huge
21:42day
21:42it's a
21:43cathartic
21:43day
21:44for me
21:44personally
21:45it's a
21:45day of
21:46gratitude
21:46yet again
21:47like
21:48Hemant
21:48Ji
21:48said
21:48so many
21:49of us
21:50really
21:50got a
21:51rebirth
21:51that night
21:52Rajdeep
21:53Ji
21:53we were
21:53I was
21:54at the
21:54Taj
21:54with my
21:55husband
21:55Ajay
21:56Bagga
21:56we had
21:56gone to
21:57meet
21:57a friend
21:58who's a
21:58member of
21:59parliament
21:59of the
22:00European
22:00parliament
22:01a German
22:01lady
22:02and
22:02we missed
22:04the terrorists
22:05five times
22:06that night
22:07in different
22:08situations
22:09and to
22:10come out
22:10of an
22:11experience
22:11like this
22:12is nothing
22:13less than
22:13a rebirth
22:14so it
22:15is yet
22:15again a
22:16moment to
22:16feel grateful
22:17for what
22:18we have
22:18and I
22:19think as
22:19a nation
22:20what we
22:21need to
22:21feel proud
22:22of is
22:23that we
22:23are at
22:24a stage
22:24where we
22:25enjoy this
22:26diplomatic capital
22:27this social
22:28capital
22:29in the world
22:30today
22:30where we
22:31can pull
22:32our strength
22:33so it's a
22:34huge day
22:35for us
22:36like to
22:37say thank
22:38you to
22:38Hemant
22:39and the
22:40entire
22:40forces
22:41we are
22:41alive
22:42today
22:42because
22:43of them
22:43and on
22:44a day
22:44to day
22:45basis
22:45we don't
22:46recognize
22:46it
22:47we go
22:47about
22:48our
22:48lives
22:48as though
22:49that is
22:50our
22:50right
22:50but an
22:51incident
22:51like this
22:52tells us
22:53what happened
22:54the encounter
22:54they did
22:55with the
22:56two terrorists
22:56it happened
22:57in Choppani
22:58which is
22:59lined by
22:59residential
23:00buildings
23:00so you
23:01have a
23:01live
23:01terror
23:02situation
23:03you are
23:03from
23:04Mumbai
23:04you know
23:04the place
23:05for three
23:06and a half
23:06days
23:06you have
23:07a live
23:08terror
23:08situation
23:09residences
23:10are intermingled
23:11with commercial
23:12areas
23:12and you are
23:13hitting India
23:14at the core
23:15of Mumbai
23:16the economic
23:17heart of the
23:17country
23:18it cannot
23:19go away
23:20just like
23:21that
23:21I think
23:22this is a
23:22big day
23:23for us
23:23and I hope
23:24justice is
23:24done soon
23:25so that
23:26now and
23:27from now
23:28no such
23:28incident
23:29ever happens
23:30in our
23:30country
23:30what would
23:33your definition
23:34of justice
23:34be
23:35Ajmal
23:36Kassab
23:36was hanged
23:37Zakir
23:39Rahman
23:39Lakvi
23:40Hafiz
23:41Saeed
23:41Lashkar
23:42operatives
23:42are still
23:43in Pakistan
23:43under Pakistan
23:45support
23:46many believe
23:47of the
23:47ISI
23:48David
23:49Coleman
23:49Headley
23:50in the
23:50United
23:50States
23:51what for
23:51you
23:52would give
23:52you a
23:53sense
23:53of closure
23:53if you
23:55see
23:55those
23:5610
23:56terrorists
23:57they were
23:57Mohras
23:58they were
23:59the foot
23:59soldiers
24:00their
24:01master
24:02mind
24:03the
24:03general
24:03of their
24:03team
24:04was
24:05him
24:05he planned
24:07it
24:07with
24:08Lakvi
24:08and other
24:09people
24:09he brought
24:10that chap
24:11David
24:11Heldie
24:12to Mumbai
24:13he has
24:14to be
24:14hanged
24:14he deserves
24:15much more
24:16punishment
24:16than the
24:17Ajmal
24:17Kassab
24:17and
24:19I will be
24:20very happy
24:20the day
24:20he is
24:21hanged
24:21is that
24:22what you
24:23feel also
24:23miss
24:23Kulkarni
24:24that there
24:24must be
24:25maximum
24:25swift
24:25punishment
24:26yes
24:28of course
24:29Rajdeep
24:29look at
24:30the scale
24:32of this
24:32operation
24:33look at
24:34the
24:34planning
24:35that must
24:35have gone
24:35behind it
24:36and you
24:37belong to
24:38Bombay as
24:39I do
24:39and whether
24:40it was
24:41the bomb
24:41blasts in
24:4293
24:42then the
24:43train
24:44bombs
24:45which went
24:46off in
24:462006
24:47then this
24:48it was
24:49this is not
24:50just one
24:51incident
24:51so the
24:52faster and
24:54the most
24:55severe
24:55justice
24:56has to
24:57happen
24:57I'm
24:59going to
24:59leave it
24:59there
25:00I wanted
25:01all of
25:01you to
25:02express
25:02your
25:02anguish
25:03I can
25:03imagine
25:03for all
25:04of us
25:05who lost
25:05near and
25:06dear ones
25:07that day
25:07or those
25:08of us
25:08who survived
25:08that day
25:09this is a
25:10particularly
25:10painful
25:11experience
25:11to remember
25:12what happened
25:12on 2611
25:13I appreciate
25:14all of you
25:14joining me
25:15on the show
25:16but I want to
25:16widen this
25:17at the moment
25:17because
25:18remember
25:19let's look
25:20at the
25:20roll call
25:21of these
25:21terrorists
25:22involved
25:23Ajmal
25:24Kasap
25:25role
25:25one of
25:26the 10
25:27Lashkar-e-Toyba
25:28gunmen
25:28status
25:29hanged
25:30to death
25:30in 2012
25:31then you
25:32have David
25:33Coleman
25:33Headley
25:34many believe
25:35that he
25:36was one
25:37of the
25:37key
25:37conspirators
25:38role
25:38conspiracy
25:39he was
25:40doing
25:41the
25:41targeting
25:42all
25:42the
25:42locations
25:43he
25:44entered
25:44into
25:44a
25:45plea
25:45agreement
25:45with
25:45the
25:46United
25:46States
25:46to
25:46avoid
25:47the
25:47death
25:47penalty
25:48sentenced
25:48to
25:4835
25:49years
25:49jail
25:50but then
25:51turned
25:51approver
25:52in
25:522013
25:52granted
25:53pardon
25:54by a
25:54Mumbai
25:54court
25:55in
25:552015
25:56Tahavur Rana
25:58who's now
25:58been extradited
25:59role was
26:00assisting
26:00David
26:01Coleman
26:01Headley
26:02with
26:02blueprints
26:03visas
26:03location
26:04status
26:04extradited
26:05from US
26:06now will
26:07face a
26:07trial
26:08then there's
26:09Zakyu
26:09Rahman
26:09Lakvi
26:10he was
26:11the
26:11Lashkar
26:11terrorist
26:12was seen
26:13as one
26:13of the
26:13masterminds
26:14he was
26:15constantly
26:15coordinating
26:16with the
26:16terrorists
26:17on the
26:17ground
26:17he's been
26:18jailed
26:19for 15
26:19years
26:19by a
26:20Pakistan
26:20court
26:21in
26:212021
26:21for
26:22terror
26:22funding
26:23but not
26:24specifically
26:24for his
26:25role in
26:252611
26:26and then
26:27you have
26:28Hafiz
26:29Saeed
26:29the Lashkar
26:30founder
26:30was one
26:31of the
26:31masterminds
26:32he is
26:33in a
26:33Pakistan
26:34jail
26:34after
26:34conviction
26:35in multiple
26:35terror
26:36funding
26:36cases
26:37but not
26:38specifically
26:38in
26:382611
26:39and he
26:40is
26:40reportedly
26:41still under
26:42the protection
26:43of the
26:44Pakistani
26:44ISI
26:46then you
26:46have
26:46Ilyas
26:47Kashmiri
26:47involved
26:48in plotting
26:49the 2611
26:50attack
26:51he was
26:51an Al-Qaeda
26:52terrorist
26:52who was
26:53killed
26:53in a
26:53US
26:54drone
26:54attack
26:54in Pakistan
26:55in 2011
26:56then you
26:57have
26:57Sajid
26:58Meir
26:58trained gunman
26:59one of the
27:00handlers
27:00during the
27:00attacks
27:01directed
27:01Headley's
27:02entire
27:03operation
27:04he was
27:04jailed
27:04for 15
27:05years
27:06by a
27:06Pakistan
27:07court
27:07for terror
27:08funding
27:08but not
27:09specifically
27:09for 2611
27:11and then
27:12you have
27:12Major
27:12Iqbal
27:13the
27:13suspected
27:14Pakistan
27:14army
27:15officer
27:15who was
27:16apparently
27:17coordinating
27:17the
27:17operation
27:18his
27:19present
27:19location
27:20and
27:20status
27:21is
27:21unknown
27:22it
27:22brings
27:23me
27:23to
27:23my
27:23questions
27:24the
27:25Havur Rana
27:25in custody
27:26but what
27:26is the
27:27road ahead
27:27will
27:28Pakistan
27:29ever
27:29hand
27:30over
27:30the
27:31terrorists
27:31and
27:32when
27:32will
27:33the
27:332611
27:34victims
27:34get
27:34closure
27:35I'm
27:36joined
27:36by
27:36special
27:37guest
27:37MN
27:37Singh
27:37is
27:38former
27:38Mumbai
27:38police
27:39commissioner
27:39Rizwan
27:40Merchant
27:40is
27:41senior
27:41criminal
27:41lawyer
27:42KC
27:42Singh
27:43is
27:43former
27:43secretary
27:44ministry
27:44of
27:45external
27:45affairs
27:45appreciate
27:46all of
27:47you
27:47joining
27:47us
27:47I want
27:47to come
27:48to each
27:48of you
27:48one by
27:48one
27:49MN
27:49Singh
27:49let me
27:50turn to
27:50you first
27:51because you
27:51are unique
27:52you were
27:52in charge
27:54when the
27:541993
27:55Mumbai
27:55blast
27:56took place
27:56you also
27:57saw what
27:58happened
27:58in Mumbai
27:59in 2008
28:001993
28:02Daud
28:02Ebrahim
28:03behind
28:03the blast
28:04we haven't
28:05been able
28:05to extradite
28:06him
28:06today at
28:06least
28:07we've
28:07been able
28:07to extradite
28:08one of
28:08the key
28:08plotters
28:09of 2008
28:10does it
28:11give you
28:11a sense
28:11of satisfaction
28:12given the
28:13fact that
28:14you were
28:14all those
28:15years trying
28:15to get
28:16Daud back
28:16and were
28:17not successful
28:18but at
28:19least this
28:19time we've
28:20got
28:20Tahavur Rana
28:20back
28:21well
28:26Rajdeep
28:27let me
28:27begin
28:27first of
28:28all
28:28by paying
28:30homage
28:30to all
28:31those
28:31brave
28:31police
28:31officers
28:32and
28:32men
28:3214
28:33of
28:33them
28:34who
28:35led
28:35their
28:35lives
28:35in
28:35line
28:36of
28:36duty
28:36many
28:38of
28:38them
28:38had
28:39worked
28:39under
28:39me
28:39directly
28:40and
28:41like
28:42Ashok
28:42Kamte
28:43and
28:43Vijay
28:43Salaskar
28:44and
28:45even
28:47the
28:47IG
28:47police
28:47they
28:47had
28:48directly
28:48worked
28:49under
28:49me
28:49when
28:49I
28:49was
28:49a
28:50joint
28:50commissioner
28:50of
28:50police
28:50in
28:51the
28:51crime
28:51branch
28:51I
28:51knew
28:52they
28:52were
28:52brave
28:53officers
28:53very
28:53competent
28:54police
28:54officers
28:54it is
28:55so sad
28:56to know
28:56that
28:56they
28:57were
28:57killed
28:57like
28:57this
28:58so
28:59now
28:59coming
28:59to
29:00the
29:00second
29:00point
29:00I
29:00would
29:01like
29:01to
29:01also
29:01touch
29:01upon
29:02what
29:02Brigadier
29:03Sisodia
29:03said
29:04that
29:05there
29:06has
29:07to be
29:07some
29:07local
29:08support
29:08and
29:09probably
29:10I
29:10need
29:10to
29:11tell
29:11him
29:11that
29:12indeed
29:12there
29:12were
29:1316
29:13local
29:14people
29:14who
29:15were
29:15involved
29:15in
29:16providing
29:16facilitating
29:17this
29:182611
29:19terror
29:20attack
29:20one
29:21of
29:21them
29:21was
29:21called
29:22Abu
29:22Zundal
29:23who
29:23was
29:23a
29:23resident
29:24of
29:24Beard
29:24district
29:25in
29:25Maharashtra
29:25state
29:26this
29:26Abu
29:27Zundal
29:27he
29:28ran
29:28away
29:28he
29:28joined
29:29he
29:29was
29:30an
29:30ITI
29:30trained
29:31man
29:31he
29:32had
29:32joined
29:32Lashkar
29:33Taiba
29:33went
29:34to
29:34Kashmir
29:35and
29:35then
29:35went
29:35to
29:35Pakistan
29:36and
29:37then
29:37he
29:38got
29:38mixed
29:38up
29:38with
29:38all
29:39these
29:39people
29:39Hafiz
29:39Saeed
29:40and
29:40things
29:40like
29:40that
29:41and
29:41he
29:41was
29:41the
29:42brain
29:42behind
29:42all
29:42this
29:43and
29:4316
29:44people
29:44one
29:45of
29:45them
29:45was
29:45again
29:46two
29:48more
29:48persons
29:48from
29:48Bihar
29:49one
29:49of
29:50them
29:50was
29:50living
29:50in
29:51Ghoregamo
29:51area
29:51of
29:52Bombay
29:52city
29:52so
29:53they
29:53were
29:53also
29:53caught
29:54so
29:54this
29:55Abu
29:55Zundal
29:55was
29:56also
29:56finally
29:56caught
29:57in
29:57Saudi
29:57Arabia
29:58and
29:59brought
29:59to
29:59Bombay
29:59and
30:00he
30:01was
30:01convicted
30:01in
30:01another
30:02case
30:02where
30:03he
30:03was
30:03caught
30:03carrying
30:04some
30:04AK-56
30:05rifles
30:06and
30:06things
30:06like
30:06that
30:07somewhere
30:08near
30:08Aurangabad
30:09so
30:09there
30:09was
30:10a
30:10very
30:10strong
30:10local
30:11support
30:11because
30:12unless
30:13there
30:13was
30:14a
30:14local
30:14collaborator
30:15support
30:15it
30:16would
30:16not
30:16have
30:16been
30:16possible
30:16to
30:17know
30:17all
30:17these
30:18locations
30:18of
30:19these
30:19various
30:19things
30:19and
30:20the
30:20territory
30:20of
30:21Bombay
30:21city
30:21so
30:21there
30:22was
30:22a
30:22local
30:22support
30:23indeed
30:23and
30:23three
30:24of
30:24them
30:24were
30:24convicted
30:25now
30:26coming
30:27to
30:27this
30:27gentleman
30:30called
30:30Rana
30:31let
30:32me
30:32tell
30:32you
30:32it
30:33is
30:33a
30:33great
30:33news
30:33that
30:33he
30:34has
30:34been
30:34caught
30:34but
30:35I
30:35will
30:35still
30:35wait
30:36and
30:36look
30:37forward
30:37to
30:37the
30:37day
30:37when
30:38those
30:38masterminds
30:39who
30:40are
30:40hiding
30:40in
30:40Pakistan
30:41are
30:41caught
30:41America
30:42has
30:43agreed
30:43to
30:44hand
30:44over
30:44this
30:44man
30:45to
30:45us
30:45Taurana
30:46because
30:47America
30:47has
30:47now
30:48tried
30:48to
30:48prove
30:49that
30:49American
30:49soil
30:50cannot
30:50be
30:50used
30:51for
30:51any
30:51terrorist
30:51activities
30:52you
30:52know
30:53America
30:53was
30:53also
30:53one
30:54of
30:54the
30:54biggest
30:54sufferers
30:55of
30:55terrorist
30:55attacks
30:55three
30:56of
30:56them
30:57just
30:58to
30:58interrupt
30:59you
30:59the
31:00same
31:00America
31:00the
31:01same
31:01American
31:02courts
31:02David
31:03Coleman
31:03Hedley
31:04will
31:04not
31:04be
31:04extradited
31:05to
31:05India
31:05he
31:05got
31:06away
31:06with
31:06plea
31:06bargaining
31:07many
31:07believe
31:07he
31:08could
31:08well
31:08have
31:08been
31:08a
31:08double
31:09agent
31:09there
31:09have
31:09been
31:09serious
31:10question
31:10marks
31:11over
31:11his
31:11exact
31:11role
31:12so
31:12while
31:12the
31:13Americans
31:13have
31:13given
31:14us
31:14they
31:15still
31:15haven't
31:15given
31:15us
31:16Hedley
31:16well
31:20yes
31:20I
31:21think
31:21that
31:21has
31:22been
31:22agreed
31:22between
31:23the
31:23two
31:23governments
31:24now
31:24this
31:25David
31:25Hedley
31:26was
31:26used
31:27as
31:28a
31:28witness
31:29by
31:29our
31:30Indian
31:30prosecutors
31:30I
31:31do
31:31not
31:31know
31:32I
31:32have
31:32a
31:32different
31:33point
31:33of
31:33view
31:33on
31:33this
31:33when
31:34I
31:34was
31:34investigating
31:35the
31:351993
31:36blast
31:36case
31:36I
31:37had
31:37used
31:38one
31:38of
31:38Usman
31:39Khan
31:39as
31:40a
31:41witness
31:42he
31:42was
31:42given
31:43a
31:43pardon
31:43by
31:44the
31:44court
31:44and
31:44then
31:44he
31:44was
31:45used
31:45as
31:45it
31:45because
31:45it
31:45was
31:46necessary
31:46in
31:46cases
31:47of
31:47conspiracy
31:48it
31:48is
31:48very
31:53becomes
31:53necessary
31:54to
31:54use
31:54somebody
31:54as
31:55who
31:55is
31:55confessing
31:56the
31:56crime
31:56as
31:57a
31:57witness
31:58he
31:59is
31:59called
31:59approver
32:00but
32:00in
32:01this
32:01case
32:01since
32:02Ajmal
32:03Kasab
32:04was
32:04caught
32:04and
32:05he
32:05was
32:05caught
32:06red
32:06handed
32:06and
32:07he
32:07had
32:07confessed
32:08the
32:08crime
32:08I
32:09do
32:09not
32:09know
32:09why
32:10it
32:10was
32:10necessary
32:10to
32:10use
32:11this
32:11David
32:11Hedley
32:11as
32:12an
32:12approver
32:13probably
32:13the
32:14case
32:14against
32:14Kasab
32:15would
32:15have
32:16been
32:16proved
32:16in
32:16any
32:16case
32:17and
32:17there
32:17was
32:17nobody
32:18else
32:18in
32:18custody
32:18anyway
32:19be
32:19that
32:20as
32:20it
32:20may
32:20he
32:21was
32:21used
32:21now
32:22that
32:22we
32:22have
32:22given
32:23an
32:23undertaking
32:24and
32:25the
32:25American
32:25government
32:25let me
32:26also
32:26tell
32:27you
32:27this
32:27David
32:29Hedley
32:30who
32:30was
32:30half
32:31Pakistani
32:31and
32:31half
32:32American
32:32he
32:33had
32:33a
32:33Pakistani
32:34father
32:34and
32:35an
32:35American
32:35mother
32:36now
32:36he
32:37was
32:37born
32:37in
32:38Washington
32:38but
32:39he
32:39had
32:39a
32:39Pakistani
32:40citizenship
32:40and
32:41he
32:41ran
32:41away
32:42when
32:42he
32:42came
32:43to
32:43the
32:43age
32:43of
32:4316
32:43and
32:44became
32:44an
32:48he
32:49was
32:50helped
32:50by
32:51this
32:51Tawur
32:52Rana
32:52and
32:53he
32:53was
32:53it
32:54is
32:54also
32:54a
32:55surprise
32:55our
32:56friend
32:57from
32:57the
32:57Foreign
32:57Service
32:58will
32:58be
32:58able
32:58to
32:58tell
32:58how
32:59this
32:59man
33:00was
33:00able
33:00to
33:00manage
33:01a
33:01passport
33:02for
33:04David
33:04Hedley
33:05who
33:05had
33:06a
33:06Pakistani
33:07link
33:07because
33:09these
33:09days
33:09the
33:10law
33:10has
33:10become
33:10very
33:10difficult
33:11let me
33:11take
33:12the
33:14Pakistani
33:15link
33:15which
33:16is
33:16clearly
33:16established
33:17beyond
33:17doubt
33:18in
33:1926
33:1911
33:20to
33:20you
33:20Casey
33:20Singh
33:21today
33:22when
33:22you
33:22got
33:23Tahavur
33:23Rana
33:24back
33:26in
33:26India
33:26does
33:28that
33:28make
33:28it
33:28even
33:29more
33:29difficult
33:29for
33:30Pakistan
33:30to
33:31do
33:31what
33:31they
33:31have
33:31done
33:32several
33:32times
33:33in
33:33the
33:33past
33:34deniability
33:35call
33:35them
33:35non-state
33:36actors
33:37who
33:37the
33:38Pakistani
33:38ISI
33:39will
33:40not
33:41accept
33:42as
33:42their
33:42own
33:43Tahavur
33:43Rana
33:44was
33:44part
33:44of
33:45the
33:45Pakistani
33:45army
33:46Tahavur
33:46Rana
33:47was
33:47clearly
33:48someone
33:48in
33:48touch
33:48with
33:49the
33:49Lashkar
33:49how
33:50long
33:50can
33:50Pakistan
33:51live
33:51with
33:51deniability
33:52does
33:53this
33:53change
33:54the
33:54case
33:54in
33:54any
33:55way
33:55Rajiv
33:57it
33:57just
33:57adds
33:58to
33:58it
33:58you
33:58see
33:59every
33:59time
33:59you
33:59get
33:59more
33:59evidence
34:00Pakistan
34:00will
34:01play
34:01the
34:01same
34:01game
34:02you
34:03you
34:03mentioned
34:03Sajid
34:03Mir
34:04he
34:04also
34:04reports
34:05he
34:06was
34:06put
34:06in
34:06a
34:07prison
34:07they
34:07say
34:07he
34:07was
34:07probably
34:08poisoned
34:08there
34:08so
34:09they
34:09try
34:10eliminating
34:10some
34:10of
34:11the
34:11links
34:11but
34:12it's
34:12always
34:13useful
34:13to
34:13have
34:14a
34:14direct
34:15witness
34:15who's
34:16witnessed
34:16it
34:17participated
34:18in it
34:18but I
34:19agree
34:19with you
34:19Americans
34:20have
34:20played a
34:20double
34:20game
34:21with
34:21David
34:21Headley
34:21because
34:22if you
34:23see
34:24he was
34:24let
34:24off
34:25he was
34:25in
34:25a jail
34:26and
34:26he was
34:27let
34:27off
34:27after
34:279-11
34:28because
34:29that is
34:29where
34:30his
34:30imprisonment
34:31was cut
34:31short
34:32and the
34:32Americans
34:33started
34:33using him
34:34earlier
34:34only the
34:35DEA
34:36the drugs
34:37agency
34:37was using
34:38him
34:38then I
34:39suspect
34:39even
34:40the
34:41counter-terrorism
34:41group
34:42must have
34:42been using
34:42him
34:43and they
34:43were sending
34:44him
34:44and he
34:44was playing
34:44both sides
34:45and this
34:46was going
34:47on
34:47and that's
34:48where he
34:48goes back
34:49and establishes
34:50contact
34:51with L.E.T.
34:52and then
34:53he is able
34:54to start
34:55training with
34:55them
34:55he meets
34:56Hafiz
34:56Saeed
35:00there
35:00so
35:01real
35:01top
35:02conspirator
35:02is Hafiz
35:03Saeed
35:03and people
35:04around him
35:05and the
35:06ISI
35:06so how
35:07does this
35:07change that
35:08at all
35:10as you
35:11say
35:11the top
35:11conspirator
35:12is Hafiz
35:13Saeed
35:13we know
35:14the role
35:14of the
35:14Lashkar
35:15the fact
35:15that Tahavur
35:16Rana
35:16is here
35:17the fact
35:17that Tahavur
35:18Rana
35:18may well
35:19make
35:19statements
35:19while being
35:20interrogated
35:21does that
35:22make
35:22Pakistan's
35:23predicament
35:23position
35:24even more
35:25unexplained
35:26unacceptable
35:27no no
35:28absolutely
35:29if we get
35:30the witness
35:30he starts
35:31singing
35:31and starts
35:32telling us
35:32what the
35:32links are
35:34but there
35:35would be
35:35as I said
35:36there would
35:36be cutouts
35:37like Sajid
35:38Meir and
35:38so on so
35:38forth
35:39he may not
35:40have been
35:40directly in
35:41contact with
35:42Hafiz
35:43Saeed but he
35:43would be in
35:44contact with
35:44some other
35:45people
35:45look remember
35:46David Headley
35:47and Tahavur
35:48Rana
35:48were classmates
35:50in school
35:51this is
35:52their
35:52Sanic
35:53school
35:53in
35:54Hassan
35:54Abdul
35:55you know
35:55that
35:56ironically
35:57is also
35:57the place
35:58where Guru
35:58Nanak's
35:58handprint
35:59is there
36:00and there
36:00you have
36:01the
36:01famous
36:01Gurdwara
36:02so there
36:03is that
36:03academy
36:04there
36:04and these
36:04two studied
36:05together
36:05in school
36:06so there
36:07is a
36:07very old
36:07link
36:08between
36:08David
36:08Headley
36:09and
36:09Tahavur
36:10Rana
36:10so
36:11Rana's
36:12family says
36:13actually
36:13Headley
36:13played him
36:14and used
36:15him
36:15now we
36:16don't know
36:16who played
36:16whom but
36:17it will
36:17be very
36:18useful
36:18to know
36:19what
36:19information
36:20Rana
36:20shares
36:21with us
36:21naturally
36:23a lot
36:24will have
36:24to do
36:25with
36:25the role
36:26of Pakistan
36:27role of
36:28ISI
36:28but they
36:29would be
36:29cut out
36:30so it
36:30will not
36:30be that
36:31he has
36:31met
36:31all the
36:32chaps
36:32who are
36:33dealing
36:33with it
36:33from
36:33Pakistan
36:34because
36:35Headley
36:35was more
36:36travelling
36:36to Pakistan
36:37and
36:37in touch
36:38with people
36:39he is
36:39getting
36:39trained
36:40by
36:40LET
36:40he was
36:42more
36:42often
36:43see
36:432007
36:442008
36:45Headley
36:46came
36:46multiple
36:47times
36:47Rana
36:48just
36:48came
36:48once
36:49before
36:49how did
36:49Headley
36:50get
36:50you see
36:50that's
36:51what puzzled
36:52me
36:52that Rana
36:52and Headley
36:53seemed to
36:53get in and
36:54out of India
36:54very easily
36:55in that
36:55period
36:55because Headley
36:57changed his
36:58name
36:58you see
36:58he dropped
36:59the Muslim
36:59part of his
37:00name
37:00and took
37:01the family
37:02name of his
37:03mother
37:03and that is
37:05surprising
37:05because they
37:06say in America
37:06normally that is
37:07not allowed
37:07they would have
37:09looked into
37:09his background
37:10because he had
37:10been imprisoned
37:11he had
37:12been caught
37:12with drugs
37:13earlier
37:13so how
37:14was he
37:14able to
37:14I think
37:15he was
37:15in and
37:16out
37:16he was
37:16in contact
37:17confidential
37:18informant
37:19of the
37:19government
37:20so he
37:20was able
37:21to use
37:21his links
37:22with the
37:22American
37:22agencies
37:23and after
37:249-11
37:25he got
37:25a longer
37:26rope
37:26because the
37:27Americans
37:27knew he
37:28has links
37:28in Pakistan
37:29and they
37:30thought they
37:30will be
37:31able to
37:31use him
37:31to find
37:32out
37:32what is
37:32happening
37:33to
37:33terrorism
37:33terrorist
37:34groups
37:34in Pakistan
37:35and he
37:35was actually
37:36playing both
37:37sides
37:37and I
37:38think
37:38Americans
37:38don't want
37:39to be
37:39embarrassed
37:39and that's
37:40part of
37:40the reason
37:41that they
37:41are not
37:42willing to
37:42part with
37:42David Headley
37:43otherwise
37:44Headley
37:44will spill
37:45many more
37:45secrets
37:46you know
37:47because there
37:47were 231
37:48phone conversations
37:49between Headley
37:50and Rana
37:51that have been
37:51documented in
37:52that NIA
37:52dossier
37:53Rizwan
37:54Merchant
37:54you know
37:55Ajmal
37:55Kasab
37:56was an
37:56open and
37:57shut case
37:57you catch
37:58someone in
37:58the act
37:59of terror
37:59he could
38:01not escape
38:02the clutches
38:02of the law
38:03Tahabur Rana
38:04as we've seen
38:05even before
38:05the US
38:06courts
38:06has kept
38:07claiming
38:08that he
38:09is not
38:09involved
38:10in that
38:11wider
38:11conspiracy
38:11how easy
38:13will it be
38:13for us
38:13to ensure
38:14a swift
38:14prosecution
38:15of one
38:16of the
38:16key plotters
38:17of 2611
38:18in your
38:18view
38:18Rajiv
38:23first of
38:23all
38:23congratulations
38:25to the
38:25Indian
38:25government
38:26as well
38:26as to
38:26NIA
38:27for pulling
38:27up such
38:28an excellent
38:28task
38:29absolutely
38:30commendable
38:30now that
38:32he is
38:32in the
38:32country
38:33now what
38:33we need
38:34to
38:34concentrate
38:34upon
38:34is
38:35how soon
38:36can we
38:36bring him
38:36to justice
38:37as far
38:39as his
38:40status
38:40today is
38:40concerned
38:41his
38:41status
38:41similar
38:42to
38:42some
38:43of
38:43the
38:43accused
38:43persons
38:43who
38:44were
38:44charged
38:44in the
38:441993
38:45blast
38:45case
38:46for their
38:47respective
38:47acts of
38:48omission and
38:48commission
38:48disclosing
38:49terrorist act
38:50they were
38:51unknown people
38:52at one
38:52point of
38:52time but
38:53during
38:53investigation
38:53they got
38:54known
38:54the moment
38:55they got
38:55known
38:55the cognizance
38:57was taken
38:58on the
38:58basis of
38:58warrants
38:59which were
38:59issued
38:59against them
39:00for the
39:00purpose of
39:00trial and
39:01investigation
39:01that seems
39:02to be the
39:03same process
39:03here in the
39:04case of
39:04Tahvar Rana
39:05now that
39:06he has
39:06come
39:06the same
39:07situation
39:07has arisen
39:08as in
39:081993
39:09blast case
39:10where the
39:11trial against
39:11the unknown
39:12persons when
39:13they were
39:13brought into
39:13India on
39:14the basis
39:14of extradition
39:15or deportation
39:16was under
39:17section 299
39:18of the
39:18CRPC
39:19where the
39:19concerned
39:20court was
39:20allowed to
39:21lead evidence
39:22as against
39:23the absconding
39:23accused person
39:24under section
39:24299 in
39:25which case
39:26the moment
39:27the absconding
39:27person is
39:28brought down
39:28into the
39:29country he
39:29does not
39:30have to
39:30undergo the
39:31entire
39:31rigor of
39:31the trial
39:32by putting
39:32the witnesses
39:33into the
39:33box and
39:34having
39:34examination
39:34in chief
39:35done
39:35he will
39:36be given
39:36the due
39:37process of
39:37law in
39:38the form of
39:39evidence which
39:39has been
39:40already brought
39:40on record
39:41he will be
39:42given the
39:42facility of a
39:43lawyer he
39:44will have to
39:44cross-examine
39:45and proceed
39:46with the
39:46trial now
39:47this process
39:47of 299
39:48if it is
39:49followed you
39:50will definitely
39:51guarantee a
39:52swift trial in
39:53this particular
39:54case but at
39:55the same time
39:55I understand
39:56NIA must be
39:57definitely
39:58interested in
39:58subjecting him
39:59to investigation
40:00and interrogation
40:01to find out
40:02whether at all
40:03there is a
40:03further additional
40:04key of
40:04conspiracy
40:05because conspiracy
40:06has decided
40:07defined by the
40:07Supreme Court
40:08in P.K.
40:08Narayanan's case
40:09includes
40:10acts of
40:12omission and
40:12commission
40:12before during
40:14and after
40:15the offending
40:16act
40:16now whatever
40:17has happened
40:18between
40:19Headley and
40:19him was
40:20before the
40:2126th
40:22alignment
40:23that has
40:24been documented
40:24now as
40:25MN Singh put
40:26it across
40:26Headley's case
40:28was on the
40:29basis of an
40:30approval which
40:31was granted
40:31which we call
40:32a grant of
40:32pardon
40:33now the
40:33moment
40:34Tahavur Rana
40:35is going to
40:35be subjected
40:36to investigation
40:36and interrogation
40:37recording of
40:38his statement
40:38they may be
40:40able to chance
40:40upon some
40:41particular
40:41material
40:42which
40:42Headley
40:43has not
40:44disclosed to
40:45the court
40:45in the course
40:46of grant of
40:46pardon
40:47in which case
40:48NIA will be
40:49justified in
40:50making an
40:50application to
40:51withdraw the
40:52grant of
40:53pardon and
40:53once again
40:54indict him as
40:55an accused
40:55and put him
40:56to trial
40:56now these are
40:57two aspects
40:58which NIA
40:59needs to
40:59concentrate upon
41:00and I am
41:01sure they will
41:01definitely want
41:02to do that
41:03number one
41:03subjecting
41:04Tahavur Rana
41:05to investigation
41:06and interrogation
41:06to see how
41:07his link can be
41:08established with
41:09the original
41:09charge of
41:10conspiracy
41:10because of
41:11his involvement
41:11with Headley
41:12secondly
41:13but is that
41:13easy in your view
41:15before I go to
41:16MN Singh
41:16is it easy
41:18to establish
41:19a charge of
41:20conspiracy
41:20we even saw
41:21in the 1993
41:22case
41:22it wasn't so
41:25easy
41:25Rajdeep
41:25we have
41:26successfully
41:27pulled up
41:27the extradition
41:28no we have
41:29successfully pulled
41:30up the extradition
41:31on the basis of
41:32legally admissible
41:33evidence which was
41:34carried to the
41:35extraditing court
41:35by the Indian
41:36government
41:37if the material
41:38is there
41:38and if the
41:39extraditing court
41:40has taken it
41:41into consideration
41:41and passed the
41:42order of extradition
41:43why will we not
41:44succeed
41:44we should definitely
41:46succeed
41:46we should definitely
41:47subject him to
41:48interrogation
41:48bring material
41:49against Headley
41:50and confront
41:51Tahavur Rana
41:52with Headley's
41:52offence
41:53and make an
41:54application
41:54for withdrawing
41:55the order of
41:56grant of pardon
41:56to Headley
41:57because if he has
41:58done something
41:58which has led
41:59to the commission
42:00of the dastardly
42:01act
42:01he deserves to
42:02be punished
42:02not only Tahavur Rana
42:04but even Headley
42:05deserves to be punished
42:06you cannot allow
42:07him to sit safely
42:07out there
42:08in the prison
42:08out there
42:09that's the point
42:09I'm making
42:09that's the point
42:10you know
42:10you can't allow
42:11Headley to get
42:12away
42:12you can't allow
42:13Zakiur, Rahman,
42:14Lakvi or Hafiz
42:15Saeed to get
42:16away
42:16but MN Singh
42:16you've been
42:17raising your
42:17finger
42:18through the discussion
42:18please go ahead
42:19Rajdeep
42:19you can still do
42:20it
42:21I'll come to
42:22you in a moment
42:23Mr. Singh
42:23you can still do
42:24it by subjecting
42:25Davor Rana
42:26yes Mr. Singh
42:28Rajdeep
42:30I think
42:31getting
42:33David Headley
42:34back to India
42:35is going to be
42:36very difficult
42:36because let us
42:37not forget
42:38that David Headley
42:39was a double agent
42:41he was working
42:42both for the CIA
42:43as well as
42:43for the ISI
42:44of Pakistan
42:44now
42:45and based on
42:47the information
42:47given by David
42:48Headley
42:48to the Americans
42:49the CIA
42:50the Indian
42:52government
42:52was informed
42:52not once
42:53but two dozen
42:54times
42:55that Bombay
42:57was a target
42:59so America
43:00will be very
43:01hesitant to hand
43:02over the custody
43:02of David Headley
43:03that is
43:04one
43:06now
43:06as far as
43:08the interrogation
43:08of this man
43:09is concerned
43:10the Urrana
43:10let me tell you
43:12it is not so
43:13important to
43:13convict him
43:14what is more
43:15important is
43:16to know
43:16the names
43:17of involvement
43:17and the
43:18involvement
43:18of all those
43:19Pakistanis
43:19Hafiz
43:20Saeed
43:20and others
43:20who were
43:21still there
43:22in Pakistan
43:22in the case
43:23of Daud
43:24Ibrahim
43:24Pakistan said
43:25that he was
43:26not there
43:26in Pakistan
43:27Pakistan denied
43:28its very presence
43:29in the case
43:30of its own
43:30citizens
43:31it cannot deny
43:32that they are
43:33there
43:33so it is
43:35more important
43:36that through
43:37the interrogation
43:37of this
43:38Taurana
43:38we should try
43:39and get the
43:40custody of
43:41those Pakistanis
43:41or put
43:42pressure on
43:43Pakistan
43:43I know
43:44Pakistan
43:44will not
43:45oblige us
43:45but then
43:46it will be
43:46a good
43:47instrument
43:47to put
43:47pressure
43:48on Pakistan
43:48and to
43:50internationally
43:50take some
43:51action
43:51against Pakistan
43:52as a terrorist
43:53country
43:53you know
43:54you make
43:55an important
43:55point
43:55KC Singh
43:56you heard
43:56MN Singh
43:57say
43:57look with
43:57Daud
43:58Ibrahim
43:58the Pakistanis
43:59kept saying
44:00he doesn't
44:01live in our
44:01country
44:01and they
44:03got away
44:03with it
44:04in a way
44:04by continually
44:05saying that
44:06they can't
44:07say that
44:07with the
44:08Hafiz
44:08Saeed
44:08who is
44:09in a
44:09Pakistani
44:10jail
44:10they can't
44:10say that
44:11with the
44:11Zakir
44:11Rahman
44:12Lakhi
44:12in the
44:13case of
44:13Hafiz
44:15Saeed
44:15he seems
44:15to be
44:16in house
44:16arrest
44:16at times
44:17he seems
44:17to be
44:17moving out
44:18at times
44:18other times
44:19he is
44:19in jail
44:20how long
44:21can Pakistan
44:23fudge
44:26this issue
44:26by claiming
44:28that
44:28look
44:28we cannot
44:30bring back
44:32Lakhi
44:32we cannot
44:33send Lakhi
44:33or Saeed
44:34back to
44:34India
44:34is that
44:35something
44:35which is
44:36impossible
44:36that the
44:37Pakistanis
44:37will never
44:38send back
44:38even a
44:39Lakhi
44:39back to
44:39India
44:40well
44:42they are
44:42going to
44:43there is
44:43no question
44:43they will
44:44not extradite
44:45they will
44:45pump up
44:45someone
44:46Masood
44:47Azhar
44:47also
44:47they say
44:48he is
44:48on life
44:48support
44:49he might
44:49have been
44:49pushed
44:50into
44:50Afghanistan
44:50so they
44:52all can
44:52they will
44:53never
44:53hand over
44:54any one
44:55of these
44:55people
44:55but I
44:56think the
44:56advantage
44:56in having
44:57Rana
44:57is that
44:58you have
44:59a Pakistani
44:59who was
45:00living in
45:00the west
45:01he is not
45:02an unknown
45:02entity
45:02and if
45:04he spills
45:05the beans
45:05the name
45:06that he
45:06mentions
45:07the credibility
45:08is much
45:09greater
45:09of the charge
45:10that we
45:10level against
45:11Pakistan
45:11it becomes
45:12much more
45:13difficult for
45:14Pakistan to
45:14slip out
45:15of it
45:15just one
45:16element I
45:18must add
45:18that why
45:19was there
45:20delay in
45:21getting Rana
45:21look Rana
45:22was sentenced
45:23Americans
45:24first prosecuted
45:25Rana and
45:26David Headley
45:27for the
45:27planned attack
45:28on Denmark
45:29that is how
45:30they were
45:30caught
45:31they were
45:31attacking a
45:32newspaper
45:32there
45:32and therefore
45:33he was
45:34sentenced to
45:3514 years
45:36of jail
45:36in 2013
45:37that would
45:39have gone
45:39until normally
45:40countries will
45:41not extradite
45:42an individual
45:42who's committed
45:43a crime in
45:44their country
45:45they'll first
45:45punish him
45:46there
45:46once he
45:47served the
45:48sentence
45:48so he
45:49was let
45:50off in
45:502022
45:51because of
45:52ill health
45:53and COVID
45:53so now
45:54that he
45:55was released
45:55really the
45:56extradition
45:57proceeding
45:57started in
45:5822
45:58till then
45:59the Americans
46:00were sentencing
46:01him
46:01so they
46:03wanted to
46:03get their
46:03own
46:04due
46:06sort of
46:07sentence
46:08from him
46:08and then
46:09a country
46:09gets ready
46:11to hand
46:11over to
46:12another
46:12country
46:12so therefore
46:13it's really
46:13a process
46:15which started
46:15in 22
46:16it's a good
46:17thing we've
46:18got hold
46:18of him
46:18and the
46:19Americans
46:19have
46:19handed him
46:20but let's
46:21see what
46:22he says
46:22especially
46:23about David
46:24Headley
46:24and the
46:25real
46:25conspirators
46:26in Pakistan
46:27and the
46:28hidden
46:28conspirators
46:29of the
46:29ISI
46:30Rizwan
46:32Merchant
46:32you've
46:33as you
46:34say
46:34you've
46:35dealt
46:35with
46:35several
46:36of
46:36these
46:36cases
46:36just
46:37explain
46:37to our
46:38viewers
46:38a
46:39conspiracy
46:39charge
46:40is it
46:41very
46:41difficult
46:42to conclude
46:43in a
46:43court of
46:43law
46:44will
46:44can
46:45Tahavur
46:45Rana
46:45keep
46:46prolonging
46:46his
46:47case
46:47in a
46:47sense
46:48is it
46:49or do
46:50you believe
46:50given the
46:51ramifications
46:52and the
46:52nature
46:52of this
46:53case
46:53it is
46:54possible
46:55to
46:55fast
46:55track
46:55it
46:56absolutely
47:00Rajdeep
47:01this is
47:02very much
47:02possible
47:03on the
47:03same
47:04lines
47:04as we
47:04were
47:05able
47:05to
47:05expedite
47:06the
47:061993
47:07blast
47:08case
47:08before
47:09the
47:10TADA
47:11special
47:11court
47:11when
47:12unknown
47:14people
47:14were
47:14subsequently
47:15identified
47:15brought
47:15down
47:16to
47:16trial
47:16in
47:16India
47:17the
47:17procedure
47:18under
47:18section
47:18299
47:19was
47:19followed
47:19by
47:20the
47:20earlier
47:20court
47:20of
47:21the
47:21TADA
47:21judge
47:21where
47:22evidence
47:22was
47:22recorded
47:23in
47:23absentia
47:24of the
47:24absconding
47:25accused
47:25persons
47:26and the
47:26advantage
47:27of
47:27recording
47:27the
47:27evidence
47:28in their
47:28absence
47:28in the
47:29299
47:29was the
47:30moment
47:30they are
47:30available
47:30you
47:31you hand
47:31over
47:32the
47:32notes
47:32of
47:32evidence
47:32to
47:32them
47:33so
47:33they
47:33step
47:33into
47:34the
47:34box
47:34and
47:34start
47:34the
47:34cross
47:35examination
47:35exercise
47:36so the
47:36trial
47:37ends
47:37expeditiously
47:38you don't
47:39waste
47:39time
47:39in
47:40recording
47:40of
47:40evidence
47:41and
47:41confronting
47:41them
47:42with
47:42the
47:42articles
47:42you
47:43give
47:43them
47:43the
47:43notes
47:43of
47:44evidence
47:44and
47:44allow
47:45them
47:45to
47:45go
47:45ahead
47:45with
47:45the
47:45cross
47:46examination
47:46on
47:47the
47:47point
47:47of
47:47conspiracy
47:48the
47:49evidence
47:49of
47:50David
47:50Headley
47:50is
47:51sufficient
47:51enough
47:52for
47:53a
47:53conviction
47:53of
47:54Rana
47:54you
47:55can
47:55definitely
47:56go ahead
47:56and
47:56convict
47:57him
47:57the
47:57law
47:57is
47:57very
47:58clear
47:58if
47:59pardon
47:59has been
48:00granted
48:00to a
48:00particular
48:01person
48:01on the
48:01basis
48:01of
48:01a
48:02confession
48:02which
48:03has
48:03been
48:03made
48:03by
48:03Headley
48:04that
48:04confession
48:05copy
48:05will
48:05be
48:06given
48:06to
48:06him
48:06Headley
48:07will
48:07be
48:07once
48:07again
48:08brought
48:08on
48:08VC
48:08to
48:09Rana
48:09Rana
48:10lawyers
48:10will
48:10have
48:10to
48:10cross
48:11examine
48:11him
48:11on
48:11the
48:11point
48:12of
48:12grant
48:12of
48:12pardon
48:12and
48:13if
48:13there
48:13is
48:13any
48:14particular
48:14material
48:14additionally
48:15apart
48:15from
48:15the
48:16material
48:16which
48:16he
48:17has
48:17voluntarily
48:17disclosed
48:18during
48:18his
48:18grant
48:18of
48:18pardon
48:19absolutely
48:20fine
48:20otherwise
48:21he
48:21can
48:21be
48:21recharged
48:22for
48:22whatever
48:23offence
48:23has been
48:24committed
48:24of charge
48:24of
48:24conspiracy
48:25now
48:26conspiracy
48:26is not
48:26only
48:27between
48:28Headley
48:28and
48:28Rana
48:29but
48:29conspiracy
48:30even
48:30in
48:31respect
48:31of
48:31the
48:31earlier
48:32transactions
48:32before
48:33during
48:33and
48:34after
48:34I
48:34repeat
48:34everything
48:35which
48:35was
48:35done
48:36before
48:36during
48:37and
48:37after
48:37will
48:38have
48:38to
48:38be
48:38brought
48:38within
48:38the
48:39ambit
48:44as
48:44a
48:44whole
48:44not
48:45only
48:45a
48:45small
48:45part
48:45of
48:45it
48:46Amin
48:47Singh
48:47you
48:47again
48:47raised
48:48your
48:48finger
48:48please
48:48go
48:49ahead
48:49yeah
48:52yeah
48:52Rajdeep
48:53I
48:53want
48:53to
48:53say
48:54that
48:55you
48:55see
48:55this
48:56it
48:56is
48:56indeed
48:57a
48:57fact
48:57that
48:58it
48:58is
48:58very
48:58difficult
48:58to
48:59prove
48:59a
48:59case
48:59of
48:59conspiracy
49:00and
49:00that
49:01is
49:01why
49:01we
49:01have
49:01the
49:01provision
49:02of
49:02citing
49:02an
49:03approver
49:03granting
49:04a
49:04pardon
49:04to
49:04an
49:05accused
49:05and
49:06use
49:06him
49:06as
49:06a
49:06witness
49:07of
49:07prosecution
49:14so
49:14his
49:14statement
49:15is
49:15available
49:15he
49:16was
49:16examined
49:17in
49:17the
49:18trial
49:18course
49:18number
49:19one
49:19number
49:20two
49:20there
49:20is
49:20other
49:21independent
49:21evidence
49:22also
49:23available
49:23against
49:24Ahurana
49:24he
49:25is
49:25having
49:26very
49:26close
49:26contacts
49:27with
49:27David
49:28Hadley
49:28having
49:29exchanged
49:29telephonic
49:30conversations
49:30but no
49:31less than
49:31300
49:32times
49:32and
49:33his
49:33visit
49:34to
49:34the
49:35Indian
49:35consulate
49:36in
49:36Chicago
49:37to
49:38help
49:38him
49:38get
49:39a
49:39visa
49:39Indian
49:39visa
49:40and
49:41also
49:41he
49:41himself
49:42coming
49:42here
49:42and
49:43spending
49:43some
49:44time
49:44some
49:44verification
49:45will
49:45need
49:45to
49:45be
49:45done
49:45so
49:46I
49:46think
49:46there
49:47is
49:47enough
49:48evidence
49:48to
49:48convict
49:49Ahurana
49:50but I
49:50emphasize
49:51the point
49:52that she
49:52should be
49:53examined
49:53thoroughly
49:54to nail
49:54down
49:55all those
49:55Pakistanis
49:56who are
49:56involved
49:57in this
49:57case
49:57and the
49:58Indian
49:58government
49:59will of course
50:00be putting
50:00a lot
50:00of pressure
50:00so that
50:01Pakistan
50:02is shamed
50:03and if
50:04necessarily
50:04either they
50:05will be
50:05killed or
50:05they will
50:06be sent
50:06to India
50:06that is
50:07what I
50:07want
50:07just
50:08quick
50:0830
50:09seconds
50:09to
50:09you
50:10KC
50:10Singh
50:10should
50:10therefore
50:11India
50:11send a
50:12complete
50:12dossier
50:13once again
50:13to Pakistan
50:14in the
50:14past
50:15we've
50:15sent it
50:16at times
50:17the Pakistanis
50:18have said
50:18we are
50:18looking into
50:19it but
50:19have never
50:19acted
50:20firmly
50:20should we
50:20again
50:21resend
50:21a dossier
50:22based on
50:22what we
50:23get from
50:23what works
50:26better
50:26is going
50:27to the
50:28UN
50:28Security
50:28Council
50:29and get
50:30the person
50:30listed as
50:31an international
50:32terrorist
50:32shame China
50:34because the
50:34Chinese step
50:35in the way
50:35but convince
50:37the Chinese
50:38that look
50:38we have a
50:39witness now
50:40and get a
50:40number of
50:41people listed
50:42who are there
50:43and get them
50:43listed by the
50:44UN Security
50:45Council
50:45as international
50:46terrorists
50:47naming and
50:48shaming is
50:48very important
50:49Pakistanis will
50:50take no
50:50action
50:50you can give
50:51them any
50:51number of
50:51dossiers
50:52you want
50:53then just
50:54make the
50:54person
50:54disappear
50:55or deny
50:55name and
50:57shame them
50:58is one way
51:00of course
51:00to get
51:01Pakistan
51:02almost
51:03ostracized
51:04some would
51:04say
51:04in the
51:05world
51:05community
51:06but I
51:06appreciate
51:07my guests
51:07joining me
51:08I don't
51:10usually do
51:10a my take
51:11nowadays
51:12I allow
51:13my guests
51:13to have
51:14their take
51:14but today
51:15is the day
51:15I want to
51:16give you
51:16a my take
51:17and I'll
51:17tell you
51:17why in a
51:18moment
51:18today I
51:19wish to
51:20speak to
51:20you as a
51:21Mumbaiker
51:21and an
51:22Indian
51:23who were
51:23shattered
51:24like all
51:24of us
51:25by the
51:25traumatic
51:25terror
51:26attacks
51:26of
51:262611
51:27175
51:29people
51:30died
51:31more than
51:32300
51:32were injured
51:33I lost
51:34school
51:35and college
51:36friends
51:36one of
51:37them
51:37Ashok
51:38Kamte
51:38was someone
51:39I knew
51:39rather well
51:40in college
51:40one of
51:41them
51:42Sunil
51:42Parik
51:43was a
51:43senior
51:43of mine
51:44in school
51:45he and
51:46his wife
51:46were both
51:47killed
51:47at the
51:48Obride
51:48Trident
51:49I knew
51:50many other
51:50families
51:51who lost
51:51their near
51:52and dear
51:52ones
51:53in 2611
51:54for 17
51:56years
51:56these victim
51:57families have
51:58struggled to
51:58come to
51:59terms with
51:59the tragic
52:00loss they
52:01suffered that
52:01day
52:02bringing
52:03Tahavur Rana
52:04to India
52:04is an
52:05important step
52:05forward in
52:06unraveling the
52:07wider conspiracy
52:08and the
52:09Modi government
52:10and the
52:10investigating
52:11agencies
52:11deserve credit
52:12for pursuing
52:13the case
52:14with the
52:14US
52:14authorities
52:15but the
52:16real
52:16conspirators
52:17my friends
52:18still live
52:19in Pakistan
52:19and remain
52:20out of reach
52:21the Lashkar
52:23terrorists
52:23were based
52:24in Pakistan
52:25Pakistan
52:26cannot wash
52:27its hands
52:28off 2611
52:29by claiming
52:30that the
52:31likes of
52:31Lakvi and
52:32Saeed
52:32are non-state
52:34actors
52:34that is
52:35simply a
52:36bogus
52:37argument
52:37if Pakistan
52:39ever wants
52:40to repair
52:40relations with
52:41India
52:42it should
52:42hand over
52:43the likes
52:44of Zakir
52:44Rahman
52:45Lakvi
52:45and yes
52:46even a
52:47Hafiz
52:47Saeed
52:47back here
52:49to New
52:49Delhi
52:50Pakistan's
52:51role in
52:522611
52:53lies exposed
52:55Rana's
52:56extradition
52:57will only
52:58give India
52:58more ammunition
52:59to nail
53:00Islamabad's
53:01lies when
53:02it comes to
53:03supporting and
53:04sponsoring terror
53:05against India
53:06there can be
53:07no aman
53:08ki asha
53:09if the
53:10Pakistani
53:10state
53:11doesn't accept
53:12the criminality
53:13of 2611
53:15and ensure
53:16justice
53:17is delivered
53:18Mumbai and
53:19India
53:20await a
53:21response now
53:22from the
53:23Pakistani state
53:24we must not
53:25forgive
53:26or forget
53:272611
53:28thanks for
53:30watching
53:30stay well
53:31stay safe
53:32goodnight
53:33shubh ratri
53:34jaihin
53:35namashkar
53:36n wall
53:38you
53:38the
53:40the
53:41bas
53:42no
53:44how
53:45you
53:45don't
53:46have not
53:46�
53:47world