On this episode of the All 32 NFL Podcast, Mike Giardi and Will Parkinson give their instant reaction to the news that the New England Patriots have hired Josh McDaniels as their offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. That, and much more!
0:00 - McDaniels hired again
2:15 - Concerns about continuity
3:57 - Adapting to personnel
5:23 - Evolving offensive strategies
9:05 - Coaching mobile quarterbacks
12:30 - Raising competitive floor
15:19 - Jets coaching updates
17:34 - Important coaching hire
18:45 - Potential staff names
20:00 - Defensive coordinator options
22:23 - Aaron Glenn's leadership
24:06 - Potential coordinator hires
26:30 - McDaniels' offensive role
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0:00 - McDaniels hired again
2:15 - Concerns about continuity
3:57 - Adapting to personnel
5:23 - Evolving offensive strategies
9:05 - Coaching mobile quarterbacks
12:30 - Raising competitive floor
15:19 - Jets coaching updates
17:34 - Important coaching hire
18:45 - Potential staff names
20:00 - Defensive coordinator options
22:23 - Aaron Glenn's leadership
24:06 - Potential coordinator hires
26:30 - McDaniels' offensive role
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00:00It is caught! Touchdown!
00:04The New England Patriots select Drake May.
00:08He's got the ball! And that's the ballgame!
00:12Welcome to a special edition of the All-32 Pod.
00:15Tuesday, January 21st. We just recorded one yesterday.
00:19Played that out to you, but things are happening in the world
00:22of the National Football League, particularly with the two teams
00:24that we are frequently associated with, the New England Patriots
00:27and the New York Jets. I'm Mike Giardi. He's Will Parkinson.
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00:35In game time, best tickets, best prices to get you in to see
00:38any event you want to see. We'll get into where the Jets are
00:42currently with their head coach and potentially their general manager.
00:45But before that, the news has come out.
00:48Josh McDaniels will be the next offensive coordinator
00:51for the New England Patriots. This will make the third time
00:53that McDaniels has been the franchise's OC.
00:57A couple different stints under Bill Belichick, of course,
00:59sandwiched in between head coaching jobs with the Denver Broncos
01:03and now the Las Vegas Raiders.
01:06This always seemed like the way it was going to go.
01:08I was a little hesitant yesterday just because we hadn't heard anything
01:12yet about an interview, but that interview happened
01:14and the process moved quickly. And Will, I think as I told you
01:18back when we started this thing, this is something that the Crafts wanted.
01:22They're very comfortable with Josh. They look at Josh's resume
01:25and say, well, you know what, he may not have worked as a head coach,
01:28but he sure as hell worked as an offensive coordinator.
01:31And I think a lot of people in Foxboro and around the team
01:33and in the facility still say, boy, is it a coincidence
01:37that our offense has sucked since he walked out the building
01:40the last time in 2021 after he got as much as he possibly could
01:44out of Mac Jones in that rookie season. And Mac's certainly not been
01:47the same player and now looks like he's destined to be a backup.
01:50And they have not managed to score over 20 points
01:53in any of the seasons since. So I think there's comfort there
01:56from an ownership standpoint. And look, Mike Vrabel knows him.
01:59He's coached against him. And obviously there's plenty of people
02:03around here who still are very fond of Josh.
02:05So I don't think he was lacking any good recommendations
02:08within the office.
02:11Yeah, so I think the hire makes sense. I think it was the expected hire.
02:17I don't think this is frankly a surprise.
02:20I think it would have been a surprise if they went
02:22the unknown direction.
02:26The one thing I would say that I have my only reservation
02:29in this, and I don't think it's a major one by any means,
02:33is just I do feel like a little bit of this is becoming
02:40a little more kind of running back some of the old band
02:44just a little bit, not entirely.
02:47And I'm not saying that we're talking some of the bad band members.
02:53We're talking about somebody who's been successful here.
02:55And there's no doubt that Josh probably will do
02:58a pretty at least half-decent job with Drake.
03:00I mean, I don't think he's the most exciting candidate.
03:02I think it's financially helpful for Vrabel to not have to spend
03:06big money on an offensive assistant because the Raiders
03:09are going to pay Josh McDaniels until he's the Patriots O.C.
03:12for the 28th time in 2087.
03:14But I just do worry a little bit.
03:17And you talk to some people around the Patriots,
03:19you're obviously much more connected in that building than I am,
03:21but the people I know that have been around that team
03:24for the last six, seven years, your worry becomes a bit
03:29of an echo chamber at times.
03:31And I think it has become a bit of an echo chamber
03:33is where they've run into issues, previous regimes.
03:36I just hope that doesn't become the case here with Vrabel.
03:40I know he wants continuity.
03:42I know he wants all these things, which is great.
03:44But someone's got to be able to challenge him,
03:46and I just hope that Josh, we know, will challenge somebody.
03:49I hope he's willing to do that with Mike.
03:51That would be my only concern.
03:53Otherwise, this hierarchy is seamless.
03:55It's interesting because I think some of the other people
03:59that he talked to, Grant Udinski, who's the assistant quarterbacks coach
04:03in Minnesota who happens to be 28, by the way,
04:05just make me feel bad about my life when I was 28 years old,
04:08not accomplishing anything quite like being interviewed
04:11for an offensive coordinator position.
04:13And then Thomas Brown, Marcus Brady.
04:16There was sort of that McVeigh, West Coast three.
04:21And I think a lot of people, and we see it around the league,
04:24the general consensus is that's the most difficult offense to defend.
04:29Is Josh going to run that here?
04:31Because Josh, I think, is open to a lot of different ideas,
04:34but he obviously comes from the Earhart Perkins School of Offense,
04:37and that's what he has run for a million years.
04:40And, look, there have been modifications.
04:42I think one of the things that probably doesn't get talked enough about
04:45with Josh is his willingness and ability to adapt to personnel.
04:49I think when they've had different pieces,
04:53the two-tight-end thing became a Gronk Hernandez,
04:56like how do you make that work?
04:58He made it work.
04:59In fact, he made it into something that a lot of people try to duplicate.
05:02Obviously, a lot of connection with the small slot guy,
05:05which if I'm Pop Douglas,
05:07even though I don't know about his football IQ
05:09as compared to some of the guys that previously
05:11have played that position under McDaniels,
05:13I'd be pretty excited about the opportunity that I could get here
05:16where instead of, boy, they have to manufacture touches for me,
05:19they're in the offense if that's the offense he chooses to run.
05:23So I'm curious to see how Josh has sort of evolved in his year off.
05:27I know he's consulted for different teams,
05:29and he's watched a ton of different tape from a lot of different offenses
05:32and been to a few different places too to sort of pick people's brains,
05:36and I'm curious to see what he comes with,
05:38but I think obviously the notion, and you brought it up,
05:41he's under contract with the Raiders.
05:43They're paying him forever,
05:45and it doesn't feel based on his two failed experiences as head coach
05:48where he didn't get out of the second year on either one of them
05:51that he's going to be a head coach anytime soon if ever again.
05:54Mike, the one thing I wanted to say with Josh
05:56is that I do think this is a huge benefit,
05:59and it's the Patriots can get offensive line even half right.
06:03He's going to run the football a lot,
06:05and teams don't defend the run anymore.
06:08They just don't.
06:09They're not good against the run.
06:10There's very few teams that are.
06:12We talked a lot last year about Drake May,
06:14and it felt like, well, I think Alex Van Pelt did some nice things
06:19fundamentals-wise with Drake May and some little tweaks here and there.
06:24The one thing I think my criticism, and I know you had the same one,
06:27Alex, to his credit, kind of said as much,
06:31they threw the ball way too much.
06:33I mean way too much.
06:34And I'm not saying just archaic, rounded, pound offense, but a little bit.
06:38Like it would be nice to be like, hey, Drake May, five runs, 25 throws.
06:44You touch the ball every play, but you 30 times.
06:47Romandre 18 times.
06:49We're going to draft another back, and this is a great running back class.
06:52We're going to draft a guy in round three or round four.
06:54He's going to touch the ball six to eight times.
06:56He's going to be more of a receiving back.
06:58Polk six targets.
07:00It will inevitably be Tyreek or Debo or A.J. Brown
07:02or whoever the likely guy that's probably not ideal long-term.
07:07That whole thing, I think that's to me like – yeah, I think this is a good hire.
07:18I don't think it's amazing.
07:19I don't think this wows you, but I think it just makes sense.
07:23I think that's the end of the day.
07:24It's what you're looking for.
07:25Yeah, just to clarify, it's 6.04 here on Tuesday night.
07:29Nothing official from the team yet.
07:33So just – that could just be hammering out contractual details again,
07:37and there's some complexities to that based on what's in his Raiders contract
07:41and offsets and those sorts of things.
07:46The ability to have a coordinator that's going to be here for a while,
07:50which is what everybody is worried about, right?
07:52If you hire a CEO-type coach or if you hire a defensive-minded coach,
07:59if the offensive guy comes in and has success,
08:02those are the ones that people seem to pluck.
08:04Obviously, the most recent example, Ben Johnson, right?
08:06Gets a job with Chicago, was the hot coordinator
08:09and could have had a job last year as well
08:11and waited until this cycle to get the Bears job.
08:14So the question is, if you hire that young up-and-coming offensive coordinator,
08:18you risk losing him with Josh and the stability in his roots here.
08:22He still lives here.
08:24So that's all set up.
08:29His relationship with May is going to be fascinating.
08:34I did a story last week in which someone said to me,
08:36they ought to check with Drake because Alex Van Pelt,
08:40the previous offensive coordinator, has a soft touch around his quarterbacks.
08:43They love playing for him and whatever, but it's his personality.
08:46He's kind of a softer touch.
08:49And someone said to me, well, Josh can be abrasive,
08:51which is funny because then immediately I got responses to that
08:54from people in the know who know Josh and were like,
08:57Josh isn't abrasive.
08:58And I'm like, I didn't say he was.
09:00That was just one of the things that was told to me.
09:02What I do know is that Josh will coach Drake hard.
09:05And if you're worth anything in this sport, if you want to be great,
09:09then you want that.
09:10So that should work out.
09:12And I think, to my point about adapting to personnel,
09:15I think it's also adapting to now having a bit more of a mobile quarterback.
09:19And I was thinking about the quarterbacks that he helped develop,
09:23and obviously Tom was Tom, and he has a role in that,
09:27but Tom is the greatest ever for a million and one reasons,
09:30and Josh certainly gets an assist there, but that's Tom.
09:33But then Matt Castle in 2008, Brady goes down in the first quarter
09:37of the first game of the season, and they end up winning double-digit games.
09:41Didn't beat anybody of significance, but they did it,
09:43and Castle played pretty well and ended up getting franchised,
09:46traded to Kansas City for a second-round pick
09:48with Mike Vrabel thrown in on that deal.
09:51So he helped get Matt Castle developed and paid.
09:55He got Jimmy Garoppolo and Jacoby Brissett developed and capable of playing.
10:01When Brady had the four-game suspension for Deflategate,
10:04Jimmy started the world on fire, then got hurt against Miami.
10:07Brissett came in and looked pretty cool.
10:10I'm not sure that it necessarily ever got much better for Jacoby,
10:13but in that moment, he was able to do what they want.
10:16And then 2020, when the Patriots punted on the season,
10:20Brady's gone to Tampa, it's the COVID year, they sign Cam Newton in July.
10:26I believe it was right around July 4th, and they'd been talking to him,
10:30so I think he had a playbook already in hand.
10:33That wasn't a good football team. That was a 7-9 football team,
10:36and two of those wins came against the Jets, who were particularly wretched that year.
10:41But there were moments where you're like,
10:44he's calling a game for a quarterback who can't throw,
10:48and they're still competitive in some of these games.
10:51You can still see his process and sort of like he's setting things up
10:54and he's doing some things, and if his quarterback actually could throw it better,
10:57maybe they win another game or two there.
10:59And then obviously what he did with Mack.
11:01And again, some of that was smoke and mirrors.
11:03There was that seven-game stretch where they literally played backup quarterbacks
11:06pretty much every week, but nonetheless, they were 9-3, I think, or 9-4,
11:119-3 maybe coming out of the bye, whatever it was, before it sort of fell off
11:15and they got whooped in the first round of the playoffs in Buffalo.
11:18But he had people believing here that you could win with Mack Jones.
11:23Now that didn't turn out to be true in 2022 and 2023 when McDaniels left for Vegas,
11:28but those are certainly things that you can hang your hat on.
11:32I just think people are like, well, is he too conservative
11:37and is this too safe of a hire?
11:39And I think when you start looking at the names that are out there
11:42and the people that they could have talked to,
11:44and it seems like Kubiak is still probably the odds-on favorite
11:49to get the Seattle job as the OC, I just didn't feel like,
11:53well, that there was anyone who necessarily blew you away and said like,
11:56oh, we have to have that guy.
11:59That wasn't the case, especially when you go with a defensive coach.
12:02So I think when people say it's safe, I think it's better than safe.
12:08I don't think it's – to cross sports, I don't think it's a single.
12:12I think it's a double with the potential for triple depending on how he –
12:16Yeah, I don't think you're hitting a home run,
12:18but I don't think that you're – I think your floor is raised significantly.
12:21The entirety of this Patriots offseason has been raising their floor
12:25back to what we're used to, which is we are going to be competitive every year.
12:31We're going to rebuild this culture.
12:32We're going to get a little bit of the stink out,
12:35although we've only seen one or two folks, maybe a lot of these regimes.
12:40But I think it's like, hey, can we get back to our floor being nine wins
12:45and not our floor being three wins?
12:48Our ceiling maybe is much higher, and you hope –
12:51I think they're going to need to add quite a bit to get to that point,
12:53but at least for right now it's like, hey, can we at least be –
12:58are we playing – not to steal a Jets phrase here, which is the worst,
13:01but are we playing meaningful games after Thanksgiving?
13:05They have not played meaningful games after Thanksgiving in a little bit of time now,
13:09and it's like this fan base is used to every year us being very much a part of it.
13:16So, yeah, I would say this is – again, I think this is maybe a double.
13:23And I don't think that's a bad thing at all.
13:26No, no, absolutely.
13:27It should be embraced based on, again, how it's gone for the last three seasons
13:32offensively and really for the last five.
13:38Let's move on to the Jets.
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15:16Let's move on to what's going on with the Jets.
15:20And again, it's now 6-12.
15:22Is Aaron Glenn still in the building?
15:26Aaron Glenn is still in the building.
15:28I can tell you as of three minutes ago, Woody Johnson's helicopter
15:31left one Jet's drive.
15:33He won't get anywhere else.
15:37He didn't finalize their hammering out details.
15:40From people you talk to, it seems as though Mike Vrabel was option one
15:45and Aaron Glenn was 1B.
15:46And that's like they interviewed all these candidates to say,
15:50can anybody wow us?
15:52Because they expected Glenn to win a title potentially this year.
15:55No one expected him to lose this weekend, maybe next.
15:58So I think the Jets were like, let's bide our time, interview people,
16:02until we get our shot at Glenn to bring him in for a second interview.
16:06No one overly wowed them.
16:07I heard some names that have guys that did decently well in the interview
16:10process.
16:11But generally speaking, Glenn's been their guy.
16:15He kind of got the whole Vrabel deal that Vrabel was going to get.
16:20Lance Newmark, who's I think a decent candidate.
16:24I don't think he's like a little boring.
16:30And that's okay.
16:31He's, by all accounts, a good scout.
16:35Your very typical front office, scouting intern, area scout, college scout,
16:42personnel director, did the trip around the sun 26 times.
16:52But the last three or four years has caught fire here with the new regime
16:55in Detroit.
16:56And then Washington, Adam Peters valued him highly enough to bring him with him
17:00as his number two.
17:01And by all accounts, did some cool stuff with Jay Daniels with virtual reality
17:05stuff, and he's big in analytics.
17:07Glenn's also a big analytics guy, as I found out,
17:10doing some digging with people in Detroit.
17:12So I think Glenn is like an A-minus, and Newmark's like a C-plus, B-minus.
17:20I think more like a 90 and a 75, or whatever,
17:24if you were doing the number scale.
17:26Glenn is the one thing I think that I am the most intrigued about Glenn
17:32is two things.
17:33One, he's not going to call plays, which is, to me, extremely important.
17:40I think him being able to actually be the CEO type, this is a guy who's,
17:48to be fair to him, and I'm not trying to gas this higher up.
17:51He would have been a good hire for anybody.
17:54His coaching tree is Bill Parcells, who he talks to every week.
17:59I know people would be like, oh, Bill's really old.
18:01Well, he played and learned under Bill in New York and played with him
18:04in Dallas and et cetera.
18:06Sean Payton, Dan Campbell, who all are Parcells tree guys to some extent,
18:12I guess, right?
18:13Through Sean Payton, you do the whole weave and whatever.
18:16Pretty damn good trees to come from.
18:20Those are pretty successful guys and all in a different nature.
18:23Parcells defensively, but the ultimate CEO type,
18:28probably the architect of any type of CEO.
18:30He's the original.
18:31He's the OG CEO type hire.
18:34It'll be interesting to see what Glenn does from a hiring staff perspective.
18:37A few names stand out that I think would be extremely…
18:41If the Jets go this route, I will be really impressed with the hire,
18:45not just like, hey, it's a good hire, it's a fun story, he's coming home.
18:50Clint Kubiak and Hank Fraley, if one of the two of those guys are your hire,
18:54and I know not everybody was impressed with that apparently
18:57when I tweeted that today.
18:59I saw that.
19:01But if that's one of those guys are the hire, Clint Kubiak,
19:04and there's some rumblings that Gary Kubiak would come in
19:06and be a senior kind of advisor on the staff.
19:09Now we're talking about something here.
19:11Clint has done a pretty nice job down in New Orleans and Minnesota
19:15with some quarterbacks I don't think either of us
19:17are particularly thrilled with.
19:19Kirk and Derek Carr and the corpse of Taysom Hill.
19:24Clint's an interesting one.
19:25Fraley's the really interesting one to me.
19:27Offensive line coach in Detroit.
19:29He's on second-round interviews.
19:30I've been told Seattle is pushing quite hard for him.
19:34He obviously – it's very rare you see an offensive line coach
19:37get that ultimate promotion, which is to be an offensive coordinator.
19:42That would be interesting because the Jets having a solidified
19:45offensive line coach, remember the days of Rex and even under Parcells,
19:49those offensive line coaches were – they were legit.
19:53That team's ran the football really well, et cetera.
19:57On the defensive side, the one name that has popped up is Steve Wilkes.
20:01People will scoff, oh, Steve Wilkes sucks.
20:03I already hear it.
20:04I see what you're going to mention.
20:06He was a really good interim head coach.
20:08Probably should have gotten the job for all intents and purposes.
20:10That was a disaster with Reich when they let him go.
20:13San Francisco is the third-best defense in the NFL last year.
20:16They're not the third-best defense in the NFL this year at all.
20:20Steve is an outsider.
20:21I think he got scapegoated because Kyle choked in a big game again.
20:25Steve Wilkes, Clint Kubiak, or Hank Fraley, and I've seen –
20:30they'll make a push for Darren Rizzi.
20:31I don't know what will happen.
20:32He might get the Saints job now.
20:34Might go to Chicago, whatever it is.
20:35He is a Jersey guy.
20:36He recruited the McCourty's at Rutgers and the whole thing.
20:40He's Bergen Catholic through and through like New Jersey blood.
20:43If we're starting to talk about that kind of staff, if you're Glenn,
20:46I don't worry about the fact he's a defensive guy anymore.
20:49You worry because of the idea he might –
20:52how is he going to approach quarterback and these other things.
20:55There's that.
20:56And then the one other thing I want to say on Glenn, that he's a scout.
20:59He started off in scouting before he got back into coaching.
21:02I think he was very a scout.
21:03There's a dude who was on the road as a former first-round pick,
21:06Pro Bowl-level player.
21:07Yeah, wanted to learn it from the ground up.
21:09Which is awesome.
21:11Aaron, Glenn, I got one quote from a guy that I think is –
21:15you'll appreciate this.
21:16And I think a lot of Patriots fans would appreciate this
21:18from my fragile perspective, et cetera.
21:20It said, the country club days, but the Jets are over.
21:23He's not like Robert Sala who tells you what you want to hear.
21:26He's going to tell you what you need to hear.
21:28That to me is a very – that to me gets me excited.
21:35Mike, how do you feel about this potentially?
21:38If you – you're doing your deep dive on Aaron Glenn.
21:43I've done some digging on Aaron just because the name has come up so often
21:47over the last couple of years in terms of the kind of guy he is,
21:51the kind of leadership that he provides.
21:53Look, when you go from coordinator to head coach, there's no guarantee.
21:56We can't guarantee it's going to work.
21:58He's going into a market that at least he knows.
22:00He played there, understands how hungry fans are for a winner
22:04and how they'll hang on every word.
22:06Much like here in New England when Gerard Mayo stepped in it,
22:10he got called on it.
22:12That's the same thing that will happen in New York.
22:14That's how it works, right?
22:16But I think his background and the way he's worked himself up,
22:19I think he set himself up to have success.
22:23Of course, what it's going to still come down to is who's the OC,
22:27as you mentioned the candidates there, and who's the quarterback?
22:30How quickly can you solve the quarterback problem?
22:33Because you can be a really good coach, and if you don't have,
22:37particularly at that position, but if you don't have the horse's period,
22:40it doesn't matter.
22:41You're going to wash out quickly.
22:43We know the days of coaches getting four or five years
22:47to establish their program, it's rare.
22:50So he'll have to have success fairly quickly, I think.
22:53I don't know that Woody will continue to be as patient
22:55as he was with the previous regime.
22:57But, yeah, I have no – I think it's the right guy.
23:02They wanted Vrabel, as you talked about, couldn't get Vrabel.
23:05They move on to Glenn, similar type approach,
23:08just doesn't have the head coaching experience,
23:10but has been in the game for a long time, was a player, can relate.
23:13And now it's who he puts around him will give him the best chance
23:17to put together a good, clean staff.
23:19The Fraley one is interesting to me, though.
23:21I will say this.
23:22I don't know that I love the idea –
23:24Let him calm, please.
23:25Yes.
23:27Scares the crap out of me.
23:28Let him calm, please.
23:30If they bring in Fraley –
23:33They're going to need a high-level former OC slash head coach,
23:38offensive type guy to be with him.
23:40I wonder – so two names, and we can obviously talk more about this
23:45once it gets done, but two names that would be interesting on the Jaguar –
23:49sorry, not the Jaguar staff.
23:50The Jaguar is likely to probably hire Liam Cohen,
23:52I'm sure, in the next 48 hours.
23:54Brian Schottenheimer potentially is the Cowboys coach.
23:58I cannot believe it.
23:59I know.
24:00I know.
24:01Crazy.
24:02Pete Carroll potentially to Vegas.
24:04Obviously, we'll cover all those.
24:06The two names that would be interesting with the Lions,
24:08one I think will go with Ben Johnson, which is Mark Brunel.
24:10I think he'll end up being the quarterback coach in Chicago.
24:15JT Barrett is really interesting to me.
24:1729 years old, Ohio State product.
24:19He was really good in college.
24:20Obviously, he was not an NFL quarterback.
24:23Got right into coaching.
24:25Hopped right in four years ago, five years ago.
24:27Tried to play.
24:29Wasn't sure what he wanted to do.
24:31Hopped around, and then the last four years he's been with Detroit.
24:34He's the assistant quarterback coach and helps the pass game stuff.
24:37But been under Brunel, former quarterback himself.
24:42That to me, I'm interested if – does Glenn bring him over
24:46and make him the quarterback coach and pass game coordinator
24:49and then Fraley the run game coordinator and primary play caller,
24:53but like have Barrett kind of be able to be like the –
24:57I'm going to handle the quarterback stuff.
24:59You just worry about like you call plays
25:01and like I'll help you with some of that stuff.
25:03That to me would be interesting.
25:05Again, I would prefer – I'd prefer Clint Kubiak
25:09who's called plays in multiple spots.
25:11His familiarity with some of the guys on the roster.
25:15Again, the numbers under Kubiak, I couldn't believe these numbers.
25:20I'm curious – we can wrap with this, but just out of curiosity.
25:25If I told you 26 games with Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr in two years
25:31as the Saints and Vikings OC, would you say over or under 30 touchdowns?
25:3726 games.
25:39Over.
25:4048 touchdowns, 67% completion, 12 picks, 7.6 yards per attempt.
25:48I think both those guys might stick.
25:51Again, I'm not trying to overhype him that he's going to be,
25:53but if you told me to get Gary and Clint in here
25:56with likely a young quarterback or two over the next 12 months
25:59and Aaron can just worry about like media,
26:02he's going to have to be heavily involved in the front office, man.
26:05This is going to be – if Glenn's a home run higher,
26:07this will be awesome for the Jets.
26:09If he's only okay, I don't know if it's going to work
26:14just because it's kind of all on him.
26:16It's similar with Vrabel in New England.
26:19I don't know, man.
26:20Ryan Cowden's not really that impressive.
26:22He's more impressive because he's Mike Vrabel's buddy
26:24and Mike Vrabel's awesome.
26:26That's what it kind of comes down to.
26:28That's my only worry, I guess.
26:30Well, this would be where – and just to finish up,
26:32going back to McDaniels quickly.
26:34This would be where having someone like McDaniels
26:36who's run an offense for freaking 20 years.
26:39Yeah, I mean – and look, I don't expect the relationship
26:44with Vrabel and McDaniels to be similar to what it was
26:47with Belichick and McDaniels at the end.
26:49But, like, Bill would turn his back on the offense
26:51and go talk to positional players on defense,
26:53gather the group together, and talk to them for three, four minutes.
26:55He's not even watching the game.
26:57Why? Because he had Josh.
27:00This even happened when it was Cam Newton
27:03and Mac Jones as the quarterbacks,
27:05not even when it was Tom Brady.
27:06You can understand, hey, I trust Tom and Josh.
27:09They'll figure this out.
27:10But even when he had other guys, he would still –
27:13I got full faith that he's the – again, the joke here
27:16was the Alex Van Pelt head coach offense.
27:18Well, that essentially is what Josh would be,
27:22or at least give him the option to be here
27:24where Mike can be more involved in the defensive side of the ball
27:27and be in the CEO type.
27:29So, yeah, very interesting times.
27:32I'm sure you will have, if the news comes down, an emergency pod.
27:38For a good interesting one, three guys got elected
27:41to the Baseball Hall of Fame just now.
27:42Oh, yeah. Each-er-o.
27:44Each-er-o. One vote short of unanimous.
27:47The same as Derek Jeter.
27:49I wonder which city that one was from.
27:52Billy Wagner, which is weird.
27:55And lastly, one I'm excited about, CeCe Sabathia.
28:00This is obviously totally off topic.
28:03Can we get Bonds and Schilling – and maybe not Schilling –
28:07Bonds and Clemens and Aria – what are we doing?
28:10Yeah. Yes, we'll end on this very thought.
28:13I think as the older guard of professional baseball writers retire –
28:20You can see it.
28:21And the younger guard comes in.
28:22The younger guard's just going to look at it like
28:24they don't protect the game in the same way.
28:26I mean, it's not to say that they don't, but it's like,
28:29look, man, there's a whole era of baseball that you're ignoring.
28:34Not that everyone was doing it, but yes, everyone was doing it.
28:38So you're just going to pretend that those 15 or 20 years didn't happen?
28:41It's kind of foolish.
28:43And baseball, certainly, if you want to dig deeper,
28:45baseball certainly didn't exactly dissuade players from –
28:51No.
28:52From choosing up.
28:53Anyway, that's going to –
28:54I don't know how else to put it, but whatever.
28:56That's going to put a wrap on this.
28:58For those of you who are Jets fans,
29:00Will will have something on one of his other pods
29:03should the Aaron Glenn news come down.
29:05And of course, we will still be here at the end of the week
29:07or earlier if more crazy things happen during the course of the day.
29:12But it appears that Aaron Glenn is going to be the Jets' next head coach.
29:16All right, he is Will Parkinson.
29:17I am Mike Giardi.
29:18We're out.
29:19See you.
29:20He's caught.
29:21Touchdown.
29:23The New England Patriots select Drake May.