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00:00Why are we having this conversation now back to Will and Dibby on 95-7 the game? Okay, let's let's answer that
00:08Because I I sort of feel the same way now, I guess the quick answer. What are we doing here?
00:15Talking about Brocker Sam. What are we doing a little bit of a cop-out to say?
00:19Well, cuz Brian balding or said this I'd say I'd go along
00:23Football for Sam Darnley right now Wow
00:25I mean, what would like you so Minnesota like look this just think about Sam for a sec
00:30You said that there's a backup over here and you learn what a first-class franchise game planning
00:35How to build a team like he saw that for the first time in his life now
00:39You can Kevin O'Connor who's an elite play caller with a very very good offense that has a real style to it
00:44And he's flourishing Minnesota doesn't have to commit anything to him right now all they're doing
00:49I talked to the general manager two weeks ago Quezi. Oh, you can play it out. They've got a quarterback
00:55They don't have to give them top-flight money or they could trade like I could be having a conversation with
01:01Minnesota to see what would take you to say darn with that. He's a bigger
01:06Stronger more athletic. I don't know but he's bigger stronger
01:09There will Brock is or can play with both of them at a modicum of salary and afford both
01:16I don't know have a competition. Okay, so I yeah, I don't agree. I don't even think that that's possible
01:23We've talked about that, you know, and I don't I'm not trying to pin Baldy in a weird spot
01:28But he talks about trading for Sam
01:30You're not allowed to do that trade deadlines over and Sam's a free agent at the end of the year
01:34But like if Minnesota franchises him or does something different then you could
01:39So that's not even possible
01:40the idea of bringing him in and having a competition with Brock would mean that you need to sign Sam to a very large deal and
01:47Then bring him in to compete with someone who went to the Super Bowl just a handful of months ago
01:52I think that makes your organization look absurd. So I don't think that any of that's possible, but I'll answer the question dibs
02:00I don't know how you feel
02:01We're not just having this conversation because Baldy said that it is my sense
02:05And this is our job to have sort of a sense of what what kind of makes you all go
02:10It is my feeling that a lot of you a lot of 49er fans
02:16have
02:18questions
02:20Hesitations and
02:21concerns in this moment in this moment with the idea of Brock Purdy being their long-term quarterback and
02:29What it would mean for the rest of the roster. Yeah, I think that's the bigger part of it
02:32I don't think that there's doubt as far as Brock Purdy being good enough to win, but it's the money
02:38It's the sticker shock and what that means for the rest of the roster because if you told the fan base right now
02:43That the two sides have agreed in principle to a five-year hundred million dollar deal Brock Purdy is gonna make
02:5120 million dollars a year for the next five years
02:53I would bet the majority of Niner fans would sign up now
02:57There are some who are just anti Brock sure period and I get that you're entitled to it. I don't believe that
03:02I think he's shown enough to be worth any amount of money
03:06But if you gave Brock Purdy a really well below market deal the majority of fans
03:11Wouldn't blush and they would say okay if it doesn't work out in a couple years
03:15We can cut him and eat it from there for me
03:17The bigger issue is the money and when you hear Tom Pellicero over the weekend say why would Brock Purdy take anything?
03:25Other than top of the market. That's where fans start to say. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, we've watched it all year. He's regressed
03:31He's not that good. He's a system guy. He's not worth 60 million a year. So that to me
03:37Becomes where this is a topic because Sam Donald's not gonna get top-of-the-market money, correct? No matter what the best he's gonna do is
03:45Franchise money franchise tag or he gets a three-year deal somewhere
03:50So for me, it's more about it's less about is Brock any good and it's more about the sticker shock of Brock
03:56Okay, the sticker Brock
03:58Had to thank you. You're welcome
04:00It's what I do good friend of mine has a conversation with me the other day and I'm just being a dad and I'm all concerned
04:07about some things with regard to my kids and
04:11This woman says to me. What are you scared of?
04:15And I go, oh, okay
04:16That's good question
04:17and then I lay it out and I lay out this whole scenario for the next two to five years of
04:23My kids lives and she goes, okay. Thank you for expressing that. Do you realize you just made up a story?
04:32Right, you just made up a story
04:34None of that has happened. None of it is true
04:38None of it is on the brink of happening you made up a story and most of it's not going to happen, right?
04:44Most likely not going to have very very like like yes
04:48Made up a story and this is what we do when we worry we make up a story of something
04:55That's gonna happen in the future. So every one of you that's worried about Brock and 60 million
05:00I would like to challenge you right now. I
05:03Think you're making up a story because unless you can tell me who it is. You're worried about losing
05:11With Brock getting that 60 then I'd argue you're making up a story
05:16You're telling yourself. It means Deebo is gone. And it means George killer. You don't know that our grave
05:23Bosa, you don't know that Fred the 49ers have been telling you for a year that they've budgeted for this
05:28You've told me cap schmack ever since the first show we did together three and a half years ago. I stand by
05:35Cap schmack. I can't believe someone hasn't bought me a cap schmack cap for Christmas
05:42Yeah, it's pretty good idea. Pretty good
05:45You're making up a story now. It does happen, but that would be my thing
05:50I wish I could pull the 49er front office aside and go talk to me about
05:56About
05:5760 or 55 for Brock and what does that mean for the rest of your roster?
06:03Remember when Kyle Shanahan went on the TK show
06:06This was earlier this year like six months ago and told the story of the DeForest Buckner
06:13Negotiation y'all remember that we played it then here it is again
06:16The Buckner thing was one of the hardest things since I've ever gone through. I love to force Buckner
06:20We don't want to get rid of him at all
06:22And but we're trying to budget a certain amount of money and then when it gets to a certain price and we know what the
06:26Options are you got to choose paying buck whatever it was, which is a few more than what we're willing
06:32Which are let's go there guys. What does that mean? Well, you got to get rid of Jimmy Ward and Armstead. That's a tough decision
06:38Well, I don't know if I don't know where I'm gonna go that decision
06:41What if we told you if you get rid of buck you get Jimmy Ward Armstead and the 13th pick in the draft, man
06:47That's that makes sense from an organizational standpoint, man. I don't want to lose buck
06:51He's like everything you want for a Niner
06:53But those are the tough decisions you got to make for that and that does make sense
06:57You can go either way
06:58but I understand that decision and
07:00Had nothing to do with buck that just had to do with what we were trying to build and how many more people we could
07:05Get and we think it's three to one those aren't easy, but I don't shy away from that
07:09That's the information I wish for because I don't care if Brock gets 80 if you tell me but you're not losing anybody else, right?
07:16Players like Hargrave is going to be gone. I think almost certainly yeah, but I kind of want him to be gone fine
07:23But you're going to lose
07:24I don't think that they do because already you've got major problems in the a gap and
07:28I was listening to Bonte and Joe this morning talk about the wide nine
07:31The wide nine works if you have good defensive tackles and they don't so now you've got Nick Bosa
07:3773 yards away from the line of scrimmage
07:39Wide nine in it up and teams are just running down the middle because you can't stop it, but that's a digression
07:45I'm looking at the overall list of cap space right now in the National Football League
07:51You know where the Niners rank currently in cap?
07:54Availability I have a very good guess yes
07:58number
07:59One that's correct mark number one fifty one point one million
08:03They are gonna have to lose some players. They're not gonna lose any of the big boys, and they've prepared for this by
08:10Storing up fifty one point one million in cap space so even if you give Brock sixty and oh
08:16Triple eight nine five seven ninety five seventy it's an overpay light him up you have prepared for this by
08:22Shorting up your cap. I don't care if they give him a hundred okay now you know it's crazy. I don't care
08:29I don't care you got me worried. No you got and you'll make up stories
08:34Look as soon as we got done saying this six five Oh Comcast business text line it means no Drake green law
08:41No, it doesn't you're making up a story
08:45You're making up a story unless six five. Oh
08:50Six nine two six whatever that number is well if that's Parag if that's you
08:58Blink two times he's in the six five. Oh if that's you Parag
09:03Let me know and then I'll know that 60 means no Drake green law, but if your name is Ken and
09:10You're just a Niner fan. You're making up a story
09:16So you might be right. I can't tell you you're wrong, but that's the information. I want
09:21I don't care what the number is I care who we lose right if you do it and just real quick on Drake green law
09:27How much do you think he's gonna get if they do re-sign him because his last deal when he was healthy Drake green law
09:34Game wrecking Drake green law he got two years and sixteen point four million. He got eight million a year
09:39They get more maybe not a lot more
09:42I mean off an injury years, but he looks phenomenal the other night
09:46He sure did for a half, and then he got hurt for a half
09:49My point is the Drake green law contract is not gonna be a victim now if you want to talk about losing Debo
09:55That's interesting and Javon Hargrave, and you know Kyle use check at 32 restructured his deal
10:01That's a small number
10:03But these are people human beings who you may lose
10:07Because of this contract being up there in the 60 million dollar range if it does go that way really quick. I'm sorry
10:13Maybe I mean you talk about who you might lose and me throw out Debo or you throw it
10:17Maybe Niner fans are okay with not having Debo around anymore
10:20Maybe the other way to think about it is if you sign a quarterback to 60 million versus 40 million or whatever whatever
10:25The number is maybe you lose out on ability to go out and sign a center a free agent center or a guard or a
10:31Right tackle or a defensive lineman. Thank you for using the word maybe
10:37Like that's my point. I am going to trust
10:41And again doesn't mean they don't make mistakes because good lord they do but the Niners are not a stupid organization
10:47You can see one you have TVs you see the Jets
10:52You see the Giants
10:55You watch them you watch the Giants go
10:58Saquon for 12
11:00Devon single Terry for nine right we play in chess. No, you're not you're playing part cheesy and
11:08Saquon Barkley's in your division and you suck you can see a stupid organization the Niners aren't it
11:14So I'm gonna trust that they know this is coming
11:19They've known this was coming for a long time and they can structure it so that they can still maneuver
11:25To me that's clearly the way to go
11:27well
11:27they've already done that and I'm looking at McCaffrey's right now and
11:31If you get out of McCaffrey at the end of this year
11:33The dead cap is 22 million if you wait one more season of McCaffrey
11:37You hope he gets healthy and he's 80% of what he was with this latest injury
11:42It's fair to think that he can be that after next season. The dead cap is 8.5 million
11:47So McCaffrey is probably a one more year guy Trent Williams one more year kittles restructure
11:54I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's probably one or two more years
11:56So all these things by the time the Brock number
11:59Kapow
12:00Really hits your books a lot of these guys that we know and love are gonna be phasing out anyway in their early 30s
12:06You got it. You got a maneuver. You're gonna have to draft well, and I love you brought this up a couple months ago
12:11And I love it. I love looking at the Green Bay Packers. They're coached by a Kyle Shanahan disciple
12:16they also
12:18Have a young quarterback who just came out of a rookie deal
12:22They had to pay him before they really wanted to boy. They would have loved to have more information
12:27but running around on the field with them are a bunch of receivers making two bucks an hour and
12:33They're going man. They're going that team's going to the playoffs and we're gonna see what they can do and they're a contender
12:39They are one of four contenders in the NFC this year Jaden Reed second round Tucker craft third round
12:45Dontavian wicks fifth round
12:47The year before you got Romeo Dobbs in the fourth round Christian Watson in the second round
12:51Yeah, so and that's what the Niners need to do to Grandy's point. You need a center
12:56You need to tackle the future. You need multiple defensive tackles. You need it probably another corner
13:01You need some guys and the best way to do it is in the draft and you're gonna be probably picking 13
13:06I love that. You just said this because by the way, everyone's freaking out about that number 60, right? I don't want to pay 60
13:12What are you paying Brandon and Debo, mmm, I'd have to do the math, but I think it's damn near 60
13:18I'm 58 and you're getting Bob kiss for it. You want to talk about wasting your 60?
13:25While the Packers are running around with Dontavian wicks. Yep out of the what round if like
13:32Jane Reed second, which means he's slotted at
13:35somewhat small money and there's
13:37Criticisms baked into that because the Niners did those deals and then their fifth round draft pick Jacob Cowling can't get on the field
13:44And Ricky Pearsall has an unfortunate year and all so they're going to have to nail
13:50people at that position
13:52But like that's where I don't want to spend 60 in the wide receiver room and just real quick before we go back to the phones
13:59About the draft look at last year's draft for the Niners. They got I think five starters good players
14:04And you know, you got Poonie who's really good
14:07He's a starter and he's got green and Malik Mustafa who's now hurt, but he looks legit
14:11So you did pretty well in the draft as far as what you used your capital on so and I'm not done with Pearsall at all
14:18No circumstances are surrounding that situation years and then a fifth year option if you're so inclined
14:24Mike and Santa Clara. Hi Mike. Thanks for calling
14:28Hey guys, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my call. Yep, you know in general I
14:34Actually in
14:35I'm not
14:37Look, this this season is done. Okay, the season is done what I'm more interested in is
14:44You know Brock with all his contributions and everything with
14:50Making it to you know
14:52NFC championships
14:55Etc, you know just I don't think he's worth 60 million
15:00So I'm not in that category of thinking he oh, I'm not worried about that
15:05I think he's probably more for my opinion like 30 to 40 million
15:10But you're also looking at you know other players you're going to lose, you know, for example, just one name
15:16I'll throw I'll throw out there is Ward Ward is probably not going to come back on the team and
15:22Dibs, I agree. I think what we need to do, especially with going into the draft. We've always had a
15:29Overall average percentage of having good players coming out of the draft into the late rounds as well
15:35So I'm not worried about that. Plus you're probably going to get a dream a great green law
15:41You know on a smaller deal if you actually want to go down that route and then we also have to look at you know
15:48You know McCaffrey is probably gonna have Garendo behind him
15:52Pat you know Pete Taylor in this case
15:55But also are you gonna look at another running back also because Mason's gonna be costing too much
16:01So there's a lot of moves that I see that are happening in general and you're gonna have Campbell coming off the books
16:08Thank freaking God because that guy's a dumbass in this case
16:12But you know, you're gonna have all these moves that are coming up and I think we're gonna be okay
16:17This was just an anomaly year so many injuries happened
16:21so I think we're gonna be okay, but just focus on the positions that we need to get all line D line and
16:28DB side of it. Hey Mike, can I ask you a question before you go?
16:31Cuz there's something interesting when you said to you
16:34Brock is like worth 30 or 40
16:37like
16:38How do you come to that number? I?
16:42I
16:43Just don't think you know what?
16:44Let me put it like this Willard if he had the weapons around him
16:49I uke was in there kiddo Debo all healthy, you know
16:54Juwan Jennings has been you know, technically our best receiver of the freaking year outside of kiddo
17:00You know if he had the weapons behind him that were not injured, you know then and he was actually making the place
17:07I mean our offense wasn't whole Willard
17:09So that's why I think you know, he was able to do what he did
17:12Especially on his feet as well of making those rushing plays
17:16But you know, honestly, I just don't think he's worth that full contract
17:21I think that you know, he's still within that 30 to 40 million a year type of player Mike. Thanks. I get it
17:28I really do. I I just wonder where like to me
17:32That's like it's a cloud like we're just throwing this number out like he's worth 30 or 40 based on what?
17:38Again, if I look at comps, but the comps I mean better than the comps make 40
17:43Yeah, he's better than some of the comps who make 55 if you want to play a guy who makes 60
17:48Yeah, well Jordan Love makes 55 Jordan Love right now is better
17:51He's at a better year Trevor Lawrence makes 55 facts and and Doc makes 60
17:56So what Jones got four and 160 and I'm looking at the structure and this is why I think the Jones structure might work at
18:01A higher level. He got a 36 million dollar signing bonus
18:05Escalated right away first year BAM the next year
18:08He made 36 million and then it was bye-bye because he only had about 15 million left
18:14Guaranteed if that and you were able to flush him after two totally and he had just such a
18:20Like it was such a small sample of good because it was like questions questions. Boom. We're going to the playoffs
18:26Yeah, but I want a playoff game on the road and the Giants had they had to blink
18:32It was almost as if the second they signed it they're like we know that this isn't gonna go well and and they knew yeah
18:39So they had to build in and out and if you want to do that with the 49ers
18:42I get that and that makes sense. Sure build in as quick of an out as you possibly can
18:47But let's not make this that Brock Purdy
18:51Situation is not the Daniel Jones situation
18:53It's not but you do and I'm gonna borrow from guru here and you do want some Geico
18:57You want some insurance just in case always right in case he gets hurt or hurt in case
19:03You know, he doesn't get back to that elite level where he was Tom in in the city has some concerns. Hi, Tom
19:10Thanks for calling
19:12Hey
19:13My quick question. Don't you guys think that?
19:16York Shanahan
19:18Then Lynch already know their max deal for this guy and what the number at which they're willing to let him walk. I
19:27Don't know. Okay, so probably yeah, I think they discussed the number but the whole quote let him walk
19:33I I don't know. You know, I mean like he still has another year on his deal
19:38At one point one. So in other words, if you don't sign him to a deal
19:42There's no way for this to not get messy next summer. Do you know what I mean by that? Oh
19:48Absolutely. I think he there's no way he's gonna play it with a franchise tag or you know
19:54You can't even tag him yet, you can't even tag him yet
19:57For him to play next year without an extension means he's willing to play for 1 million dollars, which I do he won't you won't
20:04No, never never gonna happen
20:07But I think they already know their number and they don't need any more evidence and they should probably let him sit
20:14Okay, but they think they will let him sit after Miami if they lose and they are eliminated
20:19I think they will have him sit and I think that's what he's referring to
20:22You're talking about this year Tom or you're talking about like if he doesn't hit their number then you just let him sit next year
20:29No, no. No, I mean this year
20:33Establish their max deal their max contract how many years etc
20:38because I'm scared they're gonna lock into like a
20:41Kirk Cousins a Jay Cutler good enough to get you to nine eight without without the surrounding cast
20:48But not good enough to take you over the hump when you when you're when you need somebody yeah
20:53I I just don't know how many of those guys are even on earth Tom the whole like everything cratered around him
20:59But that one guy just dragged you to the playoffs and the one seed by himself
21:03I just don't even know if that really exists
21:05Maybe if you want to talk about Lamar and Josh and Patrick maybe but Lamar's not in first place right now
21:11Yeah, you know what I mean?
21:12Like you can't you can't just go win in football by himself
21:15Whenever everyone says he can't play well without a lot of stuff around him and put stuff around him, right?
21:21That's your job
21:22Look on the other side of the ball where and put stuff around it both
21:25So missed three or four games and he's had a down year because he doesn't have a lot of stuff around him
21:29So he gets double-teamed. He gets chipped. He gets held because
21:33Offenses realize that he's really the main game wrecker. You have to worry about and it's complimentary football
21:39Brock can't possibly be his best without good players around him
21:44Maurice and Jonathan and Jeff and Brendan and more
21:48We're coming
21:508 at 8 9 5 7 9 5 70 more from from Brian balding or saying flipping for Sam
21:57Do you have concerns about Brock Purdy's future? Do you want to try to explore a different option?