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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:17Today, a very dangerous incident took place in Khurram Agency.
00:2038 people were killed in Khurram Agency.
00:23According to DC Quorum, there were two convoys.
00:28Majority of them were from Ahl-e-Tashiq.
00:31Police officers were martyred in the firing.
00:3538 people have been martyred.
00:37Many people are in critical condition.
00:39This targeted attack is the biggest incident in the last few years.
00:44There is a wave of terror.
00:47In the last 10 days, 60 people have been martyred.
00:53Soldiers, soldiers, officers and people from the Frontier Corps.
00:58Today, this incident took place.
01:00But the government and the opposition have the same problem.
01:03What about the protest?
01:07Anyway, these things will continue.
01:09You know that the protest was also the latest.
01:11Two days ago, there was a lot of excitement.
01:16Especially when Imran Khan was bailed from Islamabad High Court.
01:19In the case of Tushar Khan 2.
01:21Everyone said that this is the first time that something is going on.
01:25Then at night, we saw that a new issue came up.
01:28And he was arrested.
01:30And after that, all the ministers of the government,
01:33be it the Home Minister, Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi,
01:37said that there is no negotiation.
01:39No one will be allowed to come.
01:41The Information Minister said that he is talking about desperation.
01:45And now this issue has started.
01:47That we should release me.
01:49Leave everything else.
01:51And you name it.
01:53Khawaja Asif has also joined.
01:55He said that this is a fight for inheritance.
01:57And now a new debate is going on.
01:59What is happening and what is not happening.
02:01But there has been a very interesting development.
02:03This is the first time this has happened.
02:05That a message of Bushra Bibi has been released on the PTI website.
02:10It is a 9.5 minute video.
02:12But there are two very important things in it.
02:15One is that a movement against Imran Khan started.
02:20When he went to Madinah.
02:22You will remember that it was a very famous scene.
02:24When he got down barefoot at the Madinah airport.
02:26And then he went and came back.
02:28So when we came back.
02:30So after that, the Army Chief General Bajwa.
02:33He got a lot of calls.
02:35He was told that we want to end Shariah from Pakistan.
02:40So you bring Shariah contractors to the government.
02:44In fact, listen to what he said.
02:46Because just a few seconds before the program started.
02:49I have taken a version of General Bajwa.
02:52Former Army Chief.
02:54But first listen to Bushra Bibi.
02:57What is the reason behind all these atrocities and all these forces behind Khan?
03:03What is the reason that no one has told you so far?
03:05When Khan went to Madinah barefoot first.
03:08So when he came back.
03:10So immediately Bajwa started getting calls.
03:13What did you pick up and bring?
03:15We have started to end the system of Shariah in this country.
03:18And you brought the contractors of Shariah.
03:20We do not want this.
03:22Since then Khan and his wife.
03:25And started calling Khan an agent of the Jews.
03:27I'm just telling you.
03:29Khan never told in public.
03:31If this is wrong.
03:33Then you ask Bajwa and his family.
03:35Because Bajwa and Bajwa's family told someone.
03:38Which had reached Khan.
03:40The real story is this.
03:41Khan is being punished for this.
03:43For your country.
03:45For real freedom.
03:47For justice.
03:48And barefoot.
03:49On the land of Madinah Sharif.
03:52Khan is being punished for this.
03:54A few seconds ago.
03:56I was sitting in the studio.
03:58I called General Bajwa.
04:00I talked to him.
04:02I asked him what is your version on this?
04:04He said he completely denied.
04:06He said it is completely wrong.
04:08I did not receive anyone's telephone.
04:10Now this decision is on you.
04:12Whose words you want to believe.
04:14But the second part.
04:16Of this address.
04:18This is very interesting.
04:20Because there is a debate going on in this country.
04:22That the biggest problem of the institution.
04:24And Imran Khan.
04:26That there is a mistrust.
04:28There is a loss of trust.
04:30And on one hand the thought is that.
04:32If Imran Khan comes back to power.
04:34Then he will come and do a lot of things.
04:36With the institution.
04:38Remove it or change it.
04:40What message did he give on that.
04:42In Busha Bibi.
04:44And obviously if Busha Bibi is talking.
04:46Then she must be doing it with the permission of Khan.
04:48What did she say?
05:18She has always said.
05:20That I have never thought of taking revenge.
05:22And I will never take revenge.
05:24Because Allah does not like to take revenge.
05:26And neither should a person.
05:28Especially when he comes to power.
05:30He should not take revenge at all.
05:32Yes.
05:34Let's start from here.
05:36Mr. Nusrat Javed is present.
05:38Kashif Abbasi and Mazhar Abbas have joined us.
05:40Karachi is with us.
05:42Let's talk to Mr. Nusrat.
05:44The biggest mistrust.
05:46He used to say.
05:48There is no such arbiter.
05:50There is no guarantor.
05:52Who can reassure the institutions.
05:54That whatever has happened.
05:56Why are the institutions saying.
05:58Straightforwardly tell Mr. Buneer.
06:00That you will be the army chief.
06:02Is this enough?
06:04Do they need this guarantee?
06:06This is enough.
06:08The one who is being guaranteed.
06:10Don't talk like this.
06:12You just sat down.
06:14I spoke in front of you.
06:16Of course.
06:18Now see.
06:20The important thing is.
06:22For God's sake.
06:24At least the journalism I have learned.
06:26This is in it.
06:28And I think.
06:30You both must be thinking so much.
06:32That when a person says.
06:34That my wife is a domestic woman.
06:36And she has nothing to do with politics.
06:38Then we prefer.
06:40That they should not be discussed.
06:42Now today.
06:44At a very critical moment.
06:46This video has been released.
06:48Let's face it.
06:50Now.
06:52Mr. Bajwa has also.
06:54Rejected it in front of you.
06:56You must have friends.
06:58They also swear that they are very good.
07:00Please don't mind.
07:02That's why you didn't let me talk on the speaker.
07:04That I don't talk nonsense.
07:06So they also made a mistake.
07:08But see there is a serious implication in this.
07:10They are coming from there.
07:12And what is the punishment.
07:14That in Madinah Munawwara.
07:16Because there was a confusion.
07:18Half of the people were saying.
07:20That the wife's indication is towards Saudi Arabia.
07:22Or towards America.
07:24I think.
07:26Basically.
07:28They made Bajwa and family.
07:30But the question arises.
07:32When Bajwa and family were spreading these things.
07:34So after that.
07:36For how long did they stay on the same page.
07:38And the same Bajwa.
07:40Despite being called Mir Jafar.
07:42Why were they offering an extension.
07:44If you had discovered this.
07:46So long ago.
07:48So if you had dared.
07:50So okay.
07:52Maybe your end would have been like Nawaz Sharif.
07:54You would have said.
07:56I am in the streets of Madinah.
07:58Where my Prophet is.
08:00He is there.
08:02So I was walking barefoot.
08:04For the sake of the Prophet.
08:06This person is telling me this.
08:08So I removed him.
08:10He doesn't.
08:12Qualify.
08:14No more to stay as Abiji.
08:16Of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
08:18Talking about this now.
08:20I think.
08:22It is a very ill advised tape.
08:24And the one releasing it.
08:26That is one part.
08:28I am coming to the second part.
08:30Where they have addressed.
08:32And said.
08:34So let there be no confusion.
09:04Because I think.
09:06The biggest issue was of mistrust.
09:08And there is.
09:10And people.
09:12This is what I am trying to analyze.
09:14I am.
09:16The statement came today.
09:18Very interesting.
09:20He said.
09:22I got a message.
09:24That the protest should be postponed.
09:26For 10 days.
09:28So we can start the discussion.
09:30But he said.
09:32There are a lot of prisoners.
09:34Let them go.
09:36And he specifically mentioned Lahore.
09:38Dr. Yasmin Rashid.
09:40Let Dr. Yasmin Rashid go.
09:42She is a cancer patient.
09:44She is 75 plus.
09:46So he is still extending.
09:48Let's start somewhere.
09:50And this was very important.
09:52Mistrust factor.
09:54His wife.
09:56She has not given any statement.
09:58Publicly.
10:00I have given a TV interview.
10:02He had given only one.
10:04After that she went into.
10:06In the background.
10:08And now the news of Peshawar.
10:10He has released.
10:12Video message.
10:14What is this?
10:16Significant.
10:18I think it is very significant.
10:20Mistrust factor.
10:22I am telling you.
10:24Will it make a difference?
10:26It will not make a difference.
10:28Relationship is so bad.
10:30It is not just because of mistrust.
10:32But because of anger.
10:34Anger.
10:36Nawaz Sharif.
10:38If you look at the last two times.
10:40Military takeover.
10:42Punishment in 2017.
10:44There is a time frame.
10:46After that.
10:48Talks with any leader.
10:50You go out.
10:52Go to Saudi Arabia.
10:54No one is ready to talk.
10:56I am not ready either.
10:58The reason is.
11:00Anger.
11:02Last decisions.
11:04Imran Khan's decisions.
11:06Anger is dominating.
11:08If it was.
11:10Political reasons.
11:12He put me in jail.
11:14Put my wife in jail.
11:16Fear.
11:18If Imran Khan comes out.
11:20He will not leave us.
11:22Is it possible.
11:24At some level.
11:26We are talking.
11:28I will tell you.
11:30But at some level.
11:32We are talking.
11:34It is possible.
11:36It is expected.
11:38You do it publicly.
11:40Khan will not do anything.
11:42Khan will come.
11:44You guarantee us.
11:46Tell your family.
11:48Maybe then we can talk.
11:50It is possible.
11:52It is possible.
11:54There is an element.
11:56There is fear.
11:58End this fear.
12:00So that the conversation starts.
12:02I have heard.
12:04New people.
12:06They want to solve the problem.
12:08Instead of.
12:10Putting someone in jail.
12:12It may be seen as that.
12:14It is thought out.
12:16It seems.
12:18A message has been sent.
12:20Khan will come.
12:22Everyone will be forgiven.
12:24Khan has come to Allah.
12:26I do not think so.
12:28There is a design.
12:30Behind the statement.
12:32Will it make a difference?
12:34No.
12:36Driving force.
12:38Is not fear.
12:40On the side of the establishment.
12:42It is anger.
12:44I do not think it will make a difference.
12:46They want him inside.
12:48What is your view?
12:54I do not understand.
12:56Bushra Bibi's statement.
12:58Political consequences.
13:00Leave it.
13:02But in the future.
13:04Imran Khan.
13:06Popular leader of Pakistan.
13:08In the future.
13:10Can also become Prime Minister.
13:12His party can come to power again.
13:14At that time.
13:16How will the Saudis take this statement?
13:20He did not take the name of the Saudis.
13:22He did not say Saudis.
13:24He said.
13:26General Bajwa called.
13:28General Bajwa denied.
13:30This may be American.
13:32It may be British.
13:34Saudis said.
13:36When we came back from there.
13:38After that.
13:40I do not think we can say.
13:42He took the name of Saudi Arabia.
13:46I do not know.
13:48Bushra Bibi can tell better.
13:50But Americans.
13:52Americans.
13:54I do not think.
13:56From the Americans.
13:58Bajwa completely denied.
14:00If Bushra Bibi has any evidence.
14:02It is a different matter.
14:04But at this stage.
14:06What is the meaning of this statement?
14:08The real thing is.
14:10On this stage.
14:12Where there is a protest on November 24.
14:14Where there are news of talks.
14:16All of a sudden.
14:18This statement is out of context.
14:20It is not out of context.
14:22If you look at it.
14:24It is not out of context.
14:26I am saying this.
14:28The first letter of Congress came.
14:30To President Biden.
14:32Which was first sent by 60 people.
14:34Then 40 people sent.
14:36Then the British MPs wrote.
14:38To their foreign secretary.
14:40In response.
14:42This is a Jewish lobby.
14:44This is trying to save Imran.
14:46So I think.
14:48He is also being answered.
14:50That the Jews are trying to save us.
14:52This is not the issue.
14:54They themselves wanted to kill us.
14:56So I think.
14:58Its context is visible to me.
15:00Look.
15:02It is a very simple thing.
15:04At this time.
15:06In the circles of the establishment.
15:08The conversation is taking place.
15:10It is happening on options.
15:12Meaning.
15:14One question has arisen.
15:16How long can it be kept in jail?
15:20The second question is.
15:22If there is an option to send it outside.
15:24Will they accept it or not?
15:28The third is.
15:30What is the solution?
15:32The red line of the PTI is Imran Khan.
15:34The red line of the establishment.
15:369th May.
15:38What is the solution?
15:40Between these two red lines.
15:42What is the solution?
15:46The news that was going on for the last 4 days.
15:48That the conversation has taken place.
15:50Contact has taken place.
15:52Such an environment has been created.
15:54Because of which.
15:56The PTI workers were also confused.
15:58That the protest of 24th November.
16:00Is going to take place.
16:02The conversation has started.
16:04Negotiations have started.
16:06The last call was used.
16:08Because the last call.
16:10Was bounced back.
16:12Because of that.
16:14The PTI workers were very angry.
16:16That Ali Ameen Gandapur went.
16:18The whole protest took place.
16:20But after that.
16:22Ultimately we came back.
16:24So probably.
16:26The final call.
16:28Has taken a new meaning.
16:30Has increased a little passion.
16:32Tell me one thing.
16:34In the statement of Ali Ameen Gandapur.
16:36He says.
16:38We are political people.
16:40We can move forward only through talks.
16:42If they are serious about talks.
16:44Then our under trials should be left to the people.
16:46They are giving them an opening.
16:48At least leave my talk.
16:50If the rest of the under trials.
16:52Especially in Lahore.
16:54There are big leaders in Lahore.
16:56Leave them.
16:58They are showing a way out.
17:00If they do this.
17:02Then the talks start.
17:04Shouldn't the government take these offers?
17:10The problem is that the government.
17:12Is not talking to the government.
17:14The problem is that.
17:16This is not happening with the government.
17:18Now on the other hand.
17:20I don't think this government.
17:22Has cut a new FIR.
17:24All of a sudden.
17:26Obviously whoever is talking.
17:28There has been a development somewhere.
17:30All of a sudden.
17:32If they had been released from Tosha Khana 2.
17:34Then.
17:36You would have guessed.
17:38How many people of Imran Khan.
17:40Come for interrogation.
17:42What is the posture of Imran Khan.
17:44What kind of aggression.
17:46Imran Khan shows.
17:48Or he goes straight to Bani Gala.
17:50And sits quietly.
17:52Whatever it is.
17:54But I think that too.
17:56It was not waited for.
17:58Because that is.
18:00A very easy solution.
18:02If the PTI is saying in May 9.
18:04If you do research.
18:06Then make a judicial commission.
18:08Make an agreement on the findings of the judicial commission.
18:10If the findings of the judicial commission.
18:12That is another thing.
18:14Secondly, give me your opinion on that.
18:16Which they have directly.
18:18Addressed the institutions.
18:20That mistrust.
18:22That there will be no vendetta of any kind.
18:24If someone comes back to power.
18:26There will be no revenge with anyone.
18:28Nothing will happen.
18:30Does it make a difference.
18:32Because when I hear that sentence again and again.
18:34They hit me in the brain.
18:36If they did not get this message.
18:38Maybe they understand.
18:40Whatever the interlocutors are.
18:42They are not making this thing so satisfied.
18:44So.
18:46Think in front of you.
18:48If Bushra says something.
18:50Then there is no doubt in it.
18:52Will it make a difference or not?
18:54I don't think.
18:56The situation so far.
18:58I don't think.
19:00It will make any difference.
19:02Because they still have it.
19:04Whatever happened.
19:06In the past.
19:08Zahir Imran Khan has his own position.
19:10There was also an attack on him.
19:12Then this is the incident of 9th May.
19:14I don't think.
19:16That trust level is still high.
19:18There is still a trust deficit.
19:20And it is the same way.
19:22The gesture could have been.
19:24That they were shifted from Adiala to Benigala.
19:26Hauser has.
19:28This has been happening in the past.
19:30So even up to this level.
19:32There is still no possibility of gesture.
19:34That's why it seems.
19:36Before 24th November.
19:38And on 24th November.
19:40I think they want to do the test.
19:42How much show of strength does Tehreek-e-Insaf show?
19:46And what else is included in their tactics?
19:48Because what will happen after the final call?
19:50There will be a sit-in somewhere.
19:52So you also say.
19:54That it will not make a difference.
19:56Because it is not 2014.
19:58I don't think so.
20:00Let's take a break.
20:02After the break, let's come and ask.
20:04Till yesterday, the minister was saying.
20:06Things are happening.
20:08In fact, he was also saying.
20:10At what level things are happening.
20:12Today everyone has suddenly said.
20:14That the conversation is not happening.
20:16Someone has been scolded.
20:18Why suddenly everyone's statements have changed?
20:20After the break.
20:28Welcome to the show.
20:30One thing is there.
20:32Till yesterday, everyone was saying.
20:34That the conversation is happening.
20:36Now everyone is saying.
20:38That the conversation is not happening.
20:40In fact, I asked Mr. Rana Sinhaullah.
20:42He also told me.
20:44At what level things are happening.
20:46It is the same level.
20:48Ali Ameen Gandapur's level.
20:50What is his level?
20:52It is his level.
20:54You can estimate.
20:56What can be Ali Ameen Gandapur's level?
20:58He is talking to him at that level.
21:00At the level at which he is talking.
21:02There can be no more talk than this.
21:04And this will not go beyond that level.
21:06No.
21:08What you have referred to.
21:10In your question.
21:12That thing is not happening.
21:14The question is left.
21:16I told him that there are three levels.
21:18To talk to the establishment.
21:20Either there is a sector commander.
21:22Or there is a DGC.
21:24And if it is a very big thing.
21:26Then the person talks about it.
21:28He said that the lowest level.
21:30You understand that the conversation is at that level.
21:32But he said that the conversation is happening.
21:34The rest of the people also said.
21:36Today everyone is saying that the conversation is not happening.
21:38What happened suddenly?
21:40In the last 24 hours.
21:42Everyone is saying.
21:44Let's see.
21:46Khan sir is saying.
21:48At least leave the under trial prisoners.
21:50So that the conversation goes ahead.
21:52Is the government wasting an opportunity?
21:54There is an opening.
21:56To not run the tension.
21:58My dear brother.
22:00Today you are doing a little selective reading.
22:04You are reading Khan sir.
22:06That thank you very much.
22:08You are doing this much.
22:10It is a reasonable thing.
22:12If you want to show softness.
22:14Like you quoted an example.
22:16Dr. Jasmine Rashid.
22:18It is a perfect example.
22:20But having said that.
22:22You are just disregarding that part.
22:24He is doing the same thing.
22:26Don't go towards prayer.
22:28He says that.
22:30The person who subverted.
22:32In today's speech.
22:34He wants to tell.
22:36Who has all the power and authority?
22:38And after saying this.
22:40Then in the evening.
22:42You are giving a videotape and saying.
22:44That I forgave.
22:46This does not happen.
22:48Today you are blaming me yourself.
22:50And the lady is saying in the evening.
22:52That we will not take revenge.
22:54You have given that part.
22:56Is there no clarity?
22:58There is no clarity.
23:00I am telling you politely.
23:02Please listen to me.
23:04I am ready to fall at your feet.
23:06This is very very ill advised.
23:08Release of video.
23:10And very badly crafted statement.
23:12Now the second thing is.
23:14These people.
23:16See wheels into wheels.
23:18You and I know very well.
23:20You will remember.
23:22That.
23:24When these talks of Nawaz Sharif were happening.
23:26Then I started writing.
23:28That someone is about to fly.
23:30About to fly.
23:32And you.
23:34I was too sure.
23:36Because I was active report.
23:38Like.
23:40Mikashif said.
23:42It always happens.
23:44That after a year or a year and a half.
23:46You try.
23:48See.
23:50The first week of October.
23:52Your last five days were wasted.
23:54Economically speaking.
23:56Now the third week of November.
23:58This is a non-stop cycle.
24:00Which is going on.
24:02There are so many sanity demands.
24:04How to end this.
24:06It is not possible.
24:08To give one more final call.
24:10In that regard.
24:12Certainly wheels into wheels.
24:14There must have been some movement.
24:16So you can see.
24:18That the establishment is more strict.
24:20I think.
24:22More strict attitude.
24:24From where the feelers went.
24:26See.
24:28They.
24:30Forgot.
24:32You call it 45.
24:34Or 47.
24:36When Shahbaz Sharif.
24:38Prime Minister.
24:40They are cut.
24:42In a very painful way.
24:44Otherwise they throw the mic.
24:46And so on.
24:48They are saying.
24:50Sit down.
24:52For economy.
24:54So technically speaking.
24:56On the level of the Prime Minister.
24:58With anger.
25:00But Kashif.
25:02You have to give an excuse.
25:04You have to give a way out.
25:06If you say.
25:08They are saying.
25:10I have received a message.
25:12If you postpone for 10 days.
25:14Then negotiations can begin.
25:16So the message has come from somewhere.
25:18We are not questioning anything.
25:20If they are saying.
25:22Then the message must have come.
25:24So if the message is coming.
25:26They are saying.
25:28Do a few goodwill gestures.
25:30Leave 4 people.
25:32If they don't want to do that.
25:34Then how will the matter go ahead.
25:36The message must have come.
25:38It is not possible that the conversation is not happening.
25:40The doors of the prison are open twice for Ali Meen.
25:42This is the door that does not open.
25:44And conference room.
25:46Electricity was off.
25:48Meetings were off.
25:50People were arrested.
25:52Despite the order of the court.
25:54If Ali Meen was allowed to go twice.
25:56Two hours in the conference room.
25:58Meetings have been held.
26:00He must have taken some message.
26:02He must have gone to drink some tea.
26:04If it happened.
26:06Then why did you deny it?
26:08Because the army has a stated position.
26:10We will not talk to him.
26:12No.
26:14You said in your program yesterday.
26:16That you are talking to the government.
26:18They have also said that we are talking to the government.
26:20I said government.
26:22Khan sir also said.
26:24If the handler is nominated.
26:26We will talk to him.
26:28But Khan also said.
26:30He cannot take the name.
26:32You can understand.
26:34It will be a sign of the same.
26:36You told Mr. Rana.
26:38The level at which it can be.
26:40It seems that the conversation has gone from there.
26:42But he said.
26:44We have a stated policy.
26:46We will not talk to him.
26:48After a while.
26:50In a way yes.
26:52Because there is no way.
26:54Do you think there is a way to get out of the system?
26:56There is no way.
26:58Now what is the second thing?
27:00The denial in this.
27:02What would Moon League and People's Party be thinking?
27:04When they would have heard.
27:06That the conversation has started.
27:08They would have been very upset.
27:10They were very upset after the bail.
27:12It has happened today.
27:14It can also be a deal tomorrow.
27:16If the conversation starts today.
27:18People's Party is upset.
27:20People's Party is upset.
27:22People's Party is upset.
27:24People's Party is upset.
27:26People's Party is upset.
27:28People's Party is upset.
27:30People's Party is upset.
27:32People's Party is upset.
27:34People's Party is upset.
27:36People's Party is upset.
27:38People's Party is upset.
27:40People's Party is upset.
27:42People's Party is upset.
27:44People's Party is upset.
27:46Why are people stopping the show of Waqar Shah?
27:48Why do people want to stop it?
27:50Why is it taking so long?
28:04Why is giving them a way out?
28:06Why is giving them a way out?
28:08Why isn't the support being given?
28:13Sir, the government and the establishment are trapped.
28:20Because Imran Khan is in jail.
28:22Imran Khan is not taking the option of going out.
28:25Imran Khan is not doing anything else.
28:27This will continue to be judged after the final call.
28:30Then, if people are being harassed and arrested,
28:35then a call will be given and people will accept it.
28:37His supporters and voters will accept it.
28:40It's not that you and I are discussing why another call was given after the final call.
28:45But his voters, his supporters, his people who are with him,
28:51they are accepting these things.
28:53There is always a conflict inside.
28:56But the problem elsewhere is how to get out of this problem.
29:00Now, what is the solution to getting out of this problem?
29:03How long will Imran Khan remain in jail?
29:06If you want to fly a kite, you have to give a deal, right?
29:12Like Faisal Wabda said, these are negotiations, it's a lollipop.
29:16So, lollipop works, right?
29:18If you give a deal, give some deals,
29:21then you can't pull the rubber band so much that it breaks.
29:26No, sir.
29:28Sir, look elsewhere. What is the problem?
29:31The problem is simple.
29:33The problem is that the popularity of Muslim League Noon is very low.
29:38You leave the Punjab government and the Wifaq government.
29:42Do you see any political activity of Muslim League Noon in Punjab?
29:47If you don't see any political activity,
29:50then it means that no counter-narrative is being formed against the PTI.
29:56Now, the problem is that you have become a bracket.
29:59The government has become a bracket with the establishment.
30:02And in Pakistan, only anti-establishment statements are sold.
30:07You pick up Zia-ul-Haq in the period of Butto,
30:11pick up Musharraf in the period of Muslim League Noon.
30:14At the moment, the thing is that the government,
30:17Muslim League Noon has been bracketed.
30:20And it has become a bracket.
30:22It couldn't come out of the thing of 8th February.
30:24On the other hand, Imran Khan's popularity graph is not coming down.
30:28Because there are not many steps.
30:31It is possible that after a year,
30:33you tell me, in 2025, even if I give 6 months,
30:38can the Punjab government hold a local body election in 6 months of 2025?
30:43Let it be, let it be tested.
30:45When you are stuck in such a situation, then what gesture can you give?
30:49You can give the gesture that, yes, it is fine,
30:51Dr. Yasmeen Rashid and leave some women.
30:54You can give the gesture that,
30:57but Imran Khan will be there.
31:00Imran Khan is present.
31:02That thing is present.
31:04Imran Khan himself is saying that,
31:07you can talk, at least leave the under-trial prisoner.
31:12He himself is saying that, Imran Khan is giving you a way.
31:15Because he is in a position of strength at the moment.
31:22Because the opposition has nothing to lose.
31:24Government has everything to lose.
31:26Let's take a break.
31:28We will continue after the break.
31:30If this is a zero-sum game,
31:32then the result of a zero-sum game is disastrous.
31:36In the last segment, I will ask my friends,
31:39can there be any change in this zero-sum game after the break?
31:50Welcome back.
31:51Welcome back.
31:52We are in a state of complete paralysis at the moment.
31:55But whether Imran Khan comes or not,
31:58the government is also going on a constant day-to-day.
32:01There is a conflict.
32:03Yesterday, the army chief was very happy
32:05with the businessmen in Karachi,
32:07that the mega-indicators are fine, everything is fine.
32:09This is one step forward, two steps backward.
32:11Without any solution,
32:12will the government be able to complete the next four years?
32:15Whose government?
32:16Nawaz Sharif's government.
32:18Shahbaz Sharif's government.
32:19If you look for one, you will find a thousand.
32:21There is no such problem.
32:22If you look for one, you will find a thousand.
32:24If Zafarullah Jamali does not come,
32:26Shaukat Aziz will come.
32:27What is this?
32:28Okay.
32:29But I am just saying.
32:31The system will continue like this.
32:32I think that after today's statement,
32:35the things that we were seeing as ease-out,
32:38will end.
32:39I personally think that
32:41because of this ill-advised statement,
32:43things will get worse.
32:46Kashif.
32:48Oh God.
32:49Look, the 24th.
32:50Now, it is said that it is Jihad,
32:52it is Hatmi,
32:54read the funerals.
32:56Now, the government has to try to crush it.
33:00Not just to stop it,
33:01they will try to crush it,
33:02that there is no Islam.
33:03As the strictness increases,
33:05at that time,
33:06the space in the system decreases,
33:08any kind of conversation,
33:09any kind of issues.
33:10I agree with you completely.
33:11It has been eight months,
33:13nine months for this government.
33:15I feel that every next month is difficult.
33:17When I spoke to you during the break,
33:18you said that three to four weeks will pass.
33:20I said that if four weeks pass,
33:21it will be nine months.
33:22Then?
33:23Still, the solutions will have to be found.
33:26Because if you do this,
33:28it is not acceptable to be the leader of the Jamaat.
33:31Your last 30 seconds.
33:36Look, Malik,
33:37this has been decided,
33:39I think, from 2013 onwards,
33:41that the hybrid system will continue,
33:44it can be a hybrid plus,
33:46but not a hybrid minus.
33:48So now,
33:49you should learn to live in a hybrid system.
33:54How else can we learn?
33:56Today, they have given such an open statement
33:58that there is nothing with institutions,
34:00everyone will come and live together.
34:02What else can we learn from this?
34:04What else do you want to know?
34:06They are saying,
34:08what else is a hybrid system?
34:10They are saying, let's go.
34:12They are saying, let's go.
34:17Let's go, let's go.
34:18It will be a hybrid plus.
34:19Let's go, let's go.
34:20Time is up.
34:21Whether it is a hybrid plus or a hybrid minus,
34:23it doesn't matter.
34:24But to be very honest,
34:25I disagree a little.
34:26I think that the part of the statement
34:29where the institutions were addressed directly,
34:31it was done for a reason.
34:33Either the people who are meeting,
34:36they said that there should be an indication,
34:40a public display that
34:42you will not have a conflict with us.
34:44I think maybe it came as a result of that.
34:47But what is its weight?
34:49What is its value?
34:51This decision is in your hands or in my hands.
34:53It is in the hands of those who will tell
34:55what happens next.
34:57Allow me. Allah Hafiz.