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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
"Kahan Hen Inqilabi Nawaz Sharif" - Kashif Abbasi's Critical Analysis
Nawaz Sharif's Big Words - Javed Latif Reveals Why PML-N Made So Many Compromises
International Establishment Invited to Intervene During PTI Era - Mian Javed Latif Reveals
You Formed a Constitutional Bench with Your Chosen Judges - Muhammad Zubair bashes on Govt
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
"Kahan Hen Inqilabi Nawaz Sharif" - Kashif Abbasi's Critical Analysis
Nawaz Sharif's Big Words - Javed Latif Reveals Why PML-N Made So Many Compromises
International Establishment Invited to Intervene During PTI Era - Mian Javed Latif Reveals
You Formed a Constitutional Bench with Your Chosen Judges - Muhammad Zubair bashes on Govt
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:14By the way, all the politics of today revolves around Imran Khan.
00:18Chairman of Tariq-e-Insaf Imran Khan is in jail.
00:22It has been more than a year and a half since he has been in jail.
00:26But all the politics revolves around him.
00:29Everyday we talk about the fact that Imran Khan has written a letter.
00:34Imran Khan has said no to the negotiations.
00:37Whether we met with Imran Khan or not, this happened in that meeting.
00:41So most of the discussions revolve around our political discourse.
00:45Imran Khan's politics, many of his things.
00:48He is dominating politics.
00:51And this may be a very worrying thing for the Muslim League.
00:55He has a government in two provinces.
00:58He has a government in Punjab.
01:01He has a government in Markaz.
01:04Despite this, sometimes we see Imran Khan.
01:07We have met him a couple of times.
01:10But often we talk about his weakness.
01:13And we see that it has been so many days since we talked about Imran Khan.
01:17Let's talk about Imran Khan today.
01:20Let's see where his politics is.
01:23It may be a momentous moment for the Muslim League.
01:26Let's see where his politics is.
01:29Last week, we were looking for the revolutionary Shabaz Sharif.
01:32He used to sing the poems of Habib Jalib.
01:35So today we decided to look for the revolutionary Mian Nawaz Sharif.
01:40He wanted to promote justice and freedom.
01:45He was against PIKA.
01:48He wanted to fight for freedom of expression.
01:51He wanted to fight for the rule of law in Pakistan.
01:54Where is Mian Nawaz Sharif?
01:57Where is Maryam Nawaz Sharif?
02:00Let's start.
02:03There is a lot of talk about justice.
02:06Judges of Islamabad High Court are writing letters.
02:09People are being brought there.
02:12Judges are being made.
02:15They will be made the Chief Justice.
02:19But what did Mian Nawaz Sharif say about justice?
02:26It is time to fight for justice.
02:29You will support Nawaz Sharif in his fight for justice.
02:34I have spoken about justice.
02:37Justice.
02:40We are all together in this fight for justice.
02:44Justice was to be fought in this country.
02:47Justice had to be fought.
02:50When Mian Nawaz Sharif was in opposition.
02:53He used to give a lot of statements.
02:56What should justice be?
02:59They are trying to bring down the head of justice.
03:02They want to take away the powers of justice.
03:05They want to stop the external pressures of justice.
03:08Decisions of justice have been trampled.
03:11Its ministers and leaders insult justice every day.
03:14You blackmailed the judges and took wrong decisions.
03:17You ruined their careers.
03:20Is this a banana republic?
03:23Yes, this is a banana republic.
03:26Decisions are not being followed.
03:29This is what Supreme Court and High Court are doing.
03:32There is a lot of talk about the PICA law.
03:35There is a lot of opposition.
03:38There is a lot of talk about freedom of expression.
03:41Freedom of expression is one of the basic human rights.
03:44We all have to promise that we will protect the media.
03:47We will not accept any restrictions on freedom of expression.
03:50I am against any restrictions on social media, electronic media, or print media.
03:53I am against any restrictions on social media, electronic media, or print media.
03:56Restrictions are only for fear.
03:59Restrictions are only for fear.
04:02Freedom of expression is your right.
04:05No one can take it away from you.
04:08When you were strangling the media, you were strangling Pakistan.
04:11I don't believe in media regulation.
04:14I don't believe in media regulation.
04:17Even if the Muslim League comes to power in the future, I will remember this promise.
04:20Even if the Muslim League comes to power in the future, I will remember this promise.
04:23And these were the promises that she forgot.
04:26Restrictions are only for fear.
04:29And then the rule of law.
04:32A country should follow a rule, a law, a rule.
04:35A country should follow a rule, a law, a rule.
04:38Mr. Mirziya used to say something big.
04:42We will not let the law of the jungle be made in Pakistan.
04:45This is a war of the rule of law in Pakistan.
04:48Nawaz Sharif talked about the rule of law in Pakistan.
04:51Pakistan has been continuously deprived of a democratic system.
04:54The spirit of democracy is the opinion of the people.
04:57Is it necessary to destroy democracy in this country or will there be conspiracies in this country every now and then?
05:00Is it necessary to destroy democracy in this country or will there be conspiracies in this country every now and then?
05:03Yes, there will be conspiracies after a while.
05:06It will not be the spirit of democracy.
05:08It is easy to make statements in the opposition.
05:10Mohammad Zubair Sahib is present with us.
05:12Mian Javed Latif Sahib is present.
05:14Zubair Sahib, where is this Mian Sahib?
05:16Last week we were looking for that Shahbaz Sharif Sahib
05:18who used to sing the poems of Habib Jalib
05:20in the Jalsas and Jaluts.
05:22Where did this Mian Sahib go?
05:24The one who is a journalist,
05:26justice, the movement of justice,
05:28rule of law, democracy.
05:30He is Maryam Nawaz and Mian Sahib.
05:32What happened?
05:34I have said this many times,
05:36let me differentiate between
05:38Mian Shahbaz Sharif and Nawaz Sharif.
05:40He used to read the poems of
05:42Habib Jalib, Ahmad Faraz and others.
05:44But let me tell you that
05:46Shahbaz Sharif never had faith
05:48in democracy,
05:50in rule of law,
05:52in freedom of opinion,
05:54in freedom of expression.
05:56Never.
05:58He used to say that
06:00whatever dictation comes,
06:02that is right for Pakistan.
06:04And he used to say very clearly
06:06that we should not confront,
06:08we should move together with the military.
06:10Now if your thinking,
06:12I feel sorry for Nawaz Sharif,
06:14I have no regrets for Shahbaz Sharif
06:16that he may have changed his thinking.
06:18So is this a regret for Mian Sahib
06:20or do you think he was always like this?
06:22I mean, it is easy to raise slogans
06:24in the opposition,
06:26he used to raise slogans like this.
06:28He didn't believe in this.
06:30I would like to know what you think
06:32about these two,
06:34about Maryam Bibi and Mian Sahib.
06:36Mian Sahib and I
06:38had a long relationship
06:40for a long time.
06:42And now when he is sitting
06:44in the evenings
06:46without meeting,
06:48talking,
06:50you can understand the thought process.
06:52So I think
06:54till the end of 2021,
06:56his thinking was exactly the same
06:58and he thought this is the way forward
07:00for Pakistan.
07:02And his confrontation
07:04was because
07:06he wanted to
07:08close all the
07:10fundamentals of the constitution
07:12in 1973.
07:14Why did he come close to the thinking
07:16of People's Party for example,
07:18Shaheed Benazir?
07:20Because after a long time
07:22he realized that Zulfiqar Ali Putto
07:24who fought with Zia-ul-Haq
07:26and who supported Zia-ul-Haq
07:28in the 80s
07:30against Zulfiqar Ali Putto
07:32it is very clear
07:34that Nawaz Sharif realized
07:36later on that he was wrong.
07:38And then he realized later on
07:40that I used to think
07:42that there should be
07:44rule of law in this country,
07:46freedom of media,
07:48I used to think wrong.
07:50Kashif,
07:52Nawaz Sharif gave an interview
07:54recently when there was
07:56SCO summit in Barkhatat
07:58and he was asked
08:00the same questions
08:02that what has been happening
08:04for the last 2-3 years.
08:06So he did not defend
08:08the thinking of this system
08:10and this is very important
08:12to understand, he did not defend
08:14he conceded that the democracy
08:16is in danger, he conceded
08:18that the country is not running
08:20under the rule of law,
08:22he conceded that the electoral process
08:24is going wrong,
08:26but he said that it is
08:28Imran Khan's fault.
08:30My only question is that
08:32if you believe that it is going wrong
08:34but Imran Khan laid the foundation
08:36for it, then Imran Khan
08:38will also stand up and say
08:40that he laid the foundation for it.
08:42So this was the thought,
08:44because Imran Khan did this,
08:46so it is also permissible for us.
08:48We should also go to the media
08:50and break the back of Imran Khan
08:52and the judges of Islamabad High Court
08:54should not let anyone become the Chief Justice
08:56and bring people from outside.
08:58So this is permissible
09:00because Imran Khan did this.
09:02Javed Latif Sahib.
09:04No, Kashif Abbasi Sahib,
09:06there is no justification
09:08that it was wrong,
09:10so it should continue to be wrong.
09:12But if you allow me
09:14then I would like to
09:16say in your service
09:18that when we talk
09:20about the rule of law
09:22or it is being done today,
09:24I will honestly say
09:26and
09:28Mohammad Zubair Sahib
09:30may also endorse me
09:32that I am saying this right,
09:34that Nawaz Sharif did a long struggle
09:36for the rule of law.
09:38For the enforcement
09:40of the law.
09:42Now you will ask a question
09:44that the clip you made
09:46to free the judiciary
09:48or to free the judiciary
09:50whatever
09:52a movement we started at that time
09:54or the things we talked
09:56about the media.
09:58Is this Banana Republic?
10:00When will the spirit of democracy
10:02end in this country?
10:04Now Maryam Nawaz said
10:06that she will remind these things
10:08to the government.
10:10Nawaz Sharif started
10:12the movement of free justice.
10:14You should also remember
10:16that when Nawaz Sharif
10:18said that I will not
10:20take dictation in 1993.
10:22So Nawaz Sharif
10:24according to a person like me
10:26that at that time people
10:28had become leaders,
10:30people had accepted them
10:32as their leader that they
10:34do not take dictation.
10:36But the movement that started
10:38from that,
10:40and after that you saw
10:42that it started
10:44and then you saw that
10:46through the judiciary they were
10:48released in 2017.
10:50There is no one foundation
10:52that people have a complaint
10:54from one foundation.
10:56Or people say that
10:58Nawaz Sharif is not related to anyone.
11:00I am very happy
11:02that Mohammad Zubair
11:04when he tried
11:06or used to try
11:08that he had to face
11:10I would like to say
11:12while saving your time
11:14that whoever
11:16moves forward in this
11:18movement or tries
11:20for the implementation
11:22of the law
11:24then his end
11:26is not different from
11:28Nawaz Sharif.
11:30Sir, you are talking about the end.
11:32I want you to come to the other side.
11:34Should Nelson Mandela
11:36compromise instead of
11:38our politicians?
11:40This is not a competition.
11:42People stand for principles.
11:44But you are saying that
11:46Nawaz Sharif
11:48decided to trade principles.
11:50He said that if I am punished
11:52then why should I fight for principles.
11:54Let's trade principles.
11:56Let's take two governments.
11:58Let me make my brother the Prime Minister.
12:00Then he decided this.
12:02If you allow me
12:04then what you said about
12:06Nawaz Sharif and Mandela
12:08then Imran Khan was not there
12:10compared to them.
12:12When you mentioned
12:14that time
12:16the media of that time
12:18Sir, Imran Khan
12:20is nothing like
12:22the apartheid fight
12:24that he fought.
12:26He was also offered deals.
12:28What did he do when he came out?
12:30Didn't he take revenge from the whites?
12:32He did truth and reconciliation.
12:34Sir, please don't say this.
12:36Imran Khan made mistakes.
12:38He made deals.
12:40He made deals with the establishment
12:42and made his government.
12:44Don't do this.
12:46My brother,
12:48I want to request you
12:50one thing.
12:52You have the right
12:54to ask questions
12:56but you should give others the right
12:58to answer them.
13:00You don't like him
13:02but you should allow him
13:04to talk about himself.
13:06Even if he is making mistakes.
13:08I want to request you
13:10that
13:12what you are saying is 100% correct
13:14but
13:16will you say
13:18that Nawaz Sharif
13:20fought a long battle?
13:22Will you endorse
13:24what I am saying?
13:26He endured
13:28difficulties for 30 years
13:30and you will endorse
13:32that Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's
13:34family also endured difficulties.
13:36Now let's talk about Imran Khan.
13:38Sir,
13:40listen to me.
13:42I don't understand the logic.
13:44I don't understand the logic
13:46that's why I want to request
13:48Mr. Mian.
13:50Sir, you said 30 years.
13:52Leave Imran Khan.
13:54As I said,
13:56Imran Khan will be tested
13:58will he come out of the country?
14:00Will he deal again?
14:02Will he use the shoulders of the establishment again?
14:04Will he put his opponents in jail
14:06by calling the establishment
14:08and the Naib as he did before?
14:10His test will start
14:12because he has already done it.
14:14Now he says that there should be
14:16rule of law in this country.
14:18But when you talk about Mr. Mian
14:20for 30 years,
14:22he has dealt with the establishment
14:24in both the governments of Benazir Bhutto.
14:26When he came back,
14:28he wore a black coat
14:30and went to the Supreme Court
14:32at the behest of the army.
14:34When you cry for Saqib Nisar,
14:36did Ibtikhar Chaudhary
14:38do less wrong with the People's Party?
14:40And your daily petitions
14:42that they have polluted the People's Party.
14:44And the second thing is
14:46that at that time,
14:48he went to the Supreme Court in Memogate
14:50and then whenever he got a chance,
14:52he made a deal and made a government.
14:54Okay,
14:56now
14:58both my time and your time
15:00will be judged by you.
15:02I am taking more time
15:04or your question is taking more time.
15:06Okay, I am requesting you
15:08that first of all
15:10whether it is Saqib Nisar
15:12or Ibtikhar Chaudhary
15:14or Bandyal sir
15:16or some other sir.
15:18Take the name of Qazi Faiz Nisar sir also.
15:20What?
15:22Take the name of Qazi Faiz Nisar sir also.
15:24Take the name of Qazi Faiz Nisar sir also.
15:26Against whom
15:28reference was issued.
15:30Take the name of General Pasha also.
15:32Take the name of Raheel Sharif also.
15:34Take the name of General Bajwa also.
15:36Take the name of General Faiz Amiz also.
15:38Take the name of everyone.
15:40Take the name of everyone.
15:42Why not?
15:44You should take the name of everyone.
15:46Absolutely, you are doing right.
15:48Yes.
15:50Yes.
16:20And you are saying that
16:22instead of staying in Pakistan
16:24he preferred to go abroad.
16:26Listen to his answer also.
16:28Sir, I have not said this.
16:30Listen to me.
16:32I am not talking about going abroad.
16:34I am talking about making deals
16:36by staying in Pakistan.
16:38The decision of going abroad is of the leader.
16:40Obviously, he is not a militant
16:42that he has put him in jail.
16:44I have been in jail for 14 years, 20 years, 3 years.
16:46Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto sir
16:48has put me in jail.
16:50But I have not taunted Mr. Mian
16:52that he has gone abroad.
16:54This is irrelevant.
16:56Mr. Zubair,
16:58Mr. Mian is saying that
17:00don't ignore the sacrifices.
17:02The problem is
17:04if I don't take a dictation,
17:06he is also Mr. Mian.
17:08If I take a dictation,
17:10he is also Mr. Mian.
17:12If I don't make a deal,
17:14he is also Mr. Mian.
17:16So, which Mr. Mian should we remember?
17:18The one who made the sacrifices or the other one?
17:20The one who has made the deal?
17:22No, but look,
17:24Kashif, your question today
17:26is that the corruption
17:28that has come in Pakistan today,
17:30you said about the media
17:32like you brought Pika Laws,
17:34you said about the judiciary
17:36that its freedom has been completely suppressed.
17:38The 26th amendment was passed.
17:40Even today, what is happening with Islamabad High Court,
17:42you gave all these references
17:44and reminded us what Mr. Mian used to say.
17:46So, today we are talking about this.
17:48We can do a separate program for Mr. Mian
17:50that when he came to politics
17:52in 1981,
17:54what was the downfall?
17:56Where did he genuinely sacrifice
17:58democracy?
18:00Where did he compromise?
18:02But today, the biggest question
18:04that I have with Mr. Javed Lazeeb
18:06is a very serious disagreement.
18:08If we don't disagree on that,
18:10then what is the need to remind us?
18:12Today, the lesson of all this
18:14is not that you become
18:16the biggest supporter
18:18in implementing the constitution.
18:20Where is this principle from?
18:22The question is
18:24that if Maryam Nawaz
18:26was talking about the rule of law
18:28and the freedom of the media
18:30and the freedom of the judiciary
18:32and today she is seeing all this,
18:34but because she is in their interest,
18:36she is supporting it.
18:38And the excuse is that
18:40Imran Khan started all this.
18:42So, there is no debate
18:44whether Imran Khan started it or not.
18:46But the point is that
18:48if today we are going
18:50towards totalitarianism,
18:52then should we stop it
18:54or not?
18:56And should Mr. Nawaz
18:58put his weight in it or not?
19:00And he should.
19:02He can't absolve himself
19:04that Imran Khan started it,
19:06so let the country go to ruins.
19:08This is not acceptable.
19:38He has to be held responsible
19:40for the state of affairs
19:42in the country today.
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22:00Was it worth it?
22:30Sir, but is this a justification that if Imran Khan is killed today, you can say that he killed himself yesterday.
22:37This is also not a justification.
22:39It is wrong. It is wrong. It is wrong.
22:42If you say that he should be sentenced to 3.5 years, then what will happen to the rest?
22:49He will be sentenced to 1.5 years.
22:51If you say that he should be sentenced to 3.5 years, then what will happen to the rest?
22:55He will be sentenced to 1.5 years.
22:57If you say that he should be sentenced to 2 years of the Muslim League, then what will happen to the rest?
23:03Sir, do you want to take out 2 years?
23:05Sir, in any way.
23:07Mr. Javed Lateef, do you want people to forget about the Muslim League for 2 years?
23:113 years.
23:12Do it for 3 years.
23:133 years.
23:14From 22nd to 25th.
23:15It is not 3 years yet.
23:16It will be 3 years in April.
23:18If you want to answer this, then I will say that
23:22First, unfortunately, fortunately, fortunately in the sense that
23:28civilians were far better than civilians.
23:32What they are saying is that in 75 years,
23:36it gradually decreased and reached its peak in 2018.
23:41In 2018, it reached its peak in the sense that
23:46Pakistan's establishment in its place,
23:48even the international establishment,
23:50was invited to Pakistan.
23:52It was in the era of Imran Khan.
23:54And today, if civilians are below.
23:56Then you will say that you do not agree with me.
23:58Sir, in 2008, Benazir Bhutto's return deal was made by Condoleezza Rice himself with Pravez Musharraf.
24:06He wrote in his book.
24:08Mr. Mian was sent to Saudi Arabia.
24:10But the Saudis said that if Benazir Bhutto comes back,
24:13who is a representative of the West,
24:15then our man will also come back.
24:17That is, Mian Nawaz Sharif.
24:19On September 10, Mr. Mian went back from here.
24:21He was sent from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia.
24:23That is your agreement.
24:25However, on October 26 or 22,
24:27Mr. Mian came back to Pakistan on this one and a half date.
24:30Because the Saudis said that if the wife comes back,
24:32then Mr. Mian will also go back.
24:35Sir, which international?
24:37This is the standard.
24:39Mark Loyal Grant used to deal with you.
24:41This was the international establishment.
24:43And these were your parties that used to do all the politics on their heads.
24:49Then Mr. Kashyap Abbasi,
24:51please allow me to say that
24:53you punish me in a wrong way.
24:55You humiliate me in a wrong way.
24:57So after 7-8 years,
24:59you remember that
25:02I don't want to work with them.
25:04So you finish my punishment.
25:06So tomorrow you will tell me that
25:08he took NRO.
25:10Tomorrow you will say that he made a deal.
25:12This is also not appropriate.
25:14Saqib Nisar punished me.
25:16You also know that he gave wrong punishments.
25:18I got justice in the time of Qazi Faiz Isa.
25:22I got justice after 10 years.
25:24So you will say that he is a lover.
25:26It is not appropriate for him to get justice on FastTrack.
25:30But sir, when you go from London
25:32and you know that you have to get justice,
25:34you keep the date of the Jalsa,
25:36you don't even know what the law of Pakistan says.
25:38So sir, when Mr. Imran Khan says today,
25:40listen to me.
25:42Sir, when Mr. Imran Khan says today,
25:44I have to talk to the force.
25:46I want to talk to the establishment.
25:48If after this conversation,
25:50Mr. Imran Khan says that
25:52there will be a deal,
25:54whether it is right or wrong,
25:56there will be a deal.
25:58We have to get justice in this era.
26:00Tell me,
26:02I also knew that
26:04the one who is attacking the state,
26:06the one who is saying good to see you,
26:08Chief Justice,
26:10will I get justice from him?
26:12I could not get it.
26:14I had an idea that
26:16he has given the judgment of the Faizabad protest,
26:18Faiz Isa,
26:20according to the law,
26:22so a reference has been made against him,
26:24but he did not do it.
26:26I had an idea that
26:28I would get justice from him.
26:30It has been three years since Mr. Imran Khan has gone.
26:32Three years is a very long period.
26:34In three and a half years,
26:36you had released him.
26:38So in three years,
26:40we will continue to accept
26:42the possibility that
26:44what was happening in the era of Imran Khan.
26:46It has been three years.
26:48Let's move forward.
26:50Or we will be stuck there.
26:52One second.
26:54Mr. Kashyap,
26:56I would like to say something
26:58to Mr. Mohammad Zubair.
27:00He is very respectable for me,
27:02but let someone else
27:04complete his point.
27:06It is his turn.
27:08Whatever you want,
27:10you can say it.
27:12You are saying that
27:14the one who has given the judgment
27:16of the Faizabad protest,
27:18according to the law,
27:20will get all the credit.
27:22If you can't take the heat,
27:24don't go in the kitchen.
27:26Mr. Kashyap,
27:28he doesn't even know
27:30what is happening outside.
27:32He says,
27:34it is good.
27:36He has taken the credit.
27:38Whatever he asked for,
27:40he has given you the favor
27:42in the election.
27:44What else can he do for you?
27:46Do you deserve the credit?
27:48Mr. Kashyap,
27:50Mr. Kashyap,
27:52I am not here
27:54to praise anyone
27:56or advocate for anyone.
27:58You are doing the same.
28:00But I am saying
28:02to you that
28:04tell me,
28:06whether you are
28:08Justice Saqib Nisar
28:10or Mr. Bandyal,
28:12or the High Court
28:14of Islamabad,
28:16whatever happened
28:18with you in Lahore High Court
28:20and other courts,
28:22and one Justice
28:24Seth Waqar
28:26gives the verdict,
28:28and at that time,
28:30the government,
28:32which is called
28:34the Zeni Mafluj,
28:36no one speaks at that time.
28:38The judges are praised
28:40who make us angry.
28:42But those who do justice
28:44according to the law,
28:46what was the crime
28:48of Justice Shaukat Siddiqui,
28:50no one is ready to talk about it today.
28:52Justice Shaukat Siddiqui
28:54did not say that
28:56General Faiz Ameer came
28:58and he said that
29:00you will waste our two years of hard work.
29:02Sir, what can I do?
29:04We are with them.
29:06What do you want?
29:08Do you want to kill the child?
29:10Tell me,
29:12whatever General Faiz Ameer
29:14said, was it justified?
29:16No, it was not justified.
29:18Sir, listen to me.
29:20He did not get justice.
29:22Listen to me.
29:24In your conversation,
29:26I agree with you to this extent
29:28that all this is not happening
29:30in your eyes.
29:32It was happening in the previous era
29:34but the problem is that
29:36it is happening in your era too.
29:38We are just saying that
29:40it is like the old statements.
29:42No, you are right.
29:44You have ruined the courts.
29:46If Imran Khan's government
29:48would have been in place today
29:50and Mr. Zubair,
29:52you would have been in the opposition
29:54even today.
29:56Mr. Zubair,
29:58if the Supreme Court
30:00would have been made like this
30:02and the judges would have been
30:04appointed as per their wish
30:06and a person would have been
30:08brought from another High Court
30:10No, Mr. Javed Nadeem,
30:12you have said a lot.
30:14Sir, listen to Mr. Zubair.
30:16Mr. Zubair, please answer him.
30:18First of all,
30:20during Imran Khan's time,
30:22Justice Waqar,
30:24Faizabad Darnika,
30:26I am with you
30:28and I was standing with you
30:30and I was raising my voice with you.
30:32So, please do not give me this lecture.
30:34Secondly,
30:36in today's era,
30:38Kashif,
30:40from my experience,
30:42from my mind,
30:44there is a huge difference
30:46on a scale of 1 to 10.
30:48If it was 1 out of 10,
30:50now it is 10 out of 10.
30:52You read the verdict of
30:54Ahsan Iqbal,
30:56you read the verdict of
30:58Saad Rafiq,
31:00you read the verdict of
31:02Shahbaz Sharif,
31:04you read the verdict of
31:06Imran Khan.
31:08So,
31:10it is not possible
31:12to say that
31:14there will be no case.
31:16You have closed that path.
31:18You have made a constitutional bench
31:20and appointed all the judges
31:22as per your wish.
31:24You have released Justice Manzoor.
31:26You have picked Justice Dogar
31:28on the basis of your choice
31:30from Lahore.
31:32Can you explain that?
31:34Why Justice Dogar?
31:48Let it be very clear.
32:04Qazi Faiz has become the Chief Justice.
32:06If this law
32:08was passed at that time,
32:10that we want to make
32:12any one of the top 3 judges
32:14Chief Justice,
32:16then the freedom of the judiciary
32:18will be in danger.
32:20You are talking about the corruption
32:22of the democracy in this country.
32:24Mr. Zubair,
32:26let me say one thing
32:28and then I will answer you.
32:30You have brought Justice Dogar
32:32from Lahore High Court.
32:34This means that
32:36no independent judge
32:38will be able to work in the future
32:40because he knows that
32:42he will be brought from somewhere else
32:44and made to sit on me.
32:46This is what you have done.
32:48You have given power to the executive
32:50to select and choose
32:52which judges should be appointed
32:54in the courts.
32:58Let me put it this way.
33:00First of all,
33:02I agree that there is no difference
33:04between the two systems.
33:06Both were hybrid.
33:08At that time,
33:10people were sent to jail
33:12on demand.
33:14People of the Muslim League
33:16were in jail for 2 years
33:18after which the reference was not filed
33:20and no one took bail.
33:22But still,
33:24in the judiciary,
33:26it was not possible
33:28to make such a law
33:30and say that Qazi Faisal will not become
33:32the Chief Justice.
33:34Yes, the reference was sent
33:36and the judges decided
33:38that Qazi Faisal will not become
33:40the Chief Justice
33:42and will make him
33:44one of the senior most judges.
33:46This is the problem
33:48that the system has been ruined.
33:50Courts are being suppressed.
33:52You have put such laws
33:54that you can put someone in jail
33:56but you have weaponized
33:58the system
34:00so that it can topple
34:02the pillars of democracy.
34:04Let's take a break.
34:06Welcome back.
34:08We keep on watching
34:10the old statements
34:14but still,
34:16there was a need to make a system
34:18in this country.
34:20The system is made by the people.
34:22People's wishes are made
34:24according to their own practices
34:26and international best practices.
34:28We have ruined the system.
34:30Which institution
34:32is in a position
34:34to work today?
34:36The problem is that
34:38we don't want to fix it.