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- Dr Tariq Fazal Chaudhary PMLN
PTI softens stance on dialogue, but why is PML-N not interested? - Kashif Abbasi's Critical Analysis
"Jab Maqbool Leader Jail Mein Ho, Form 47 Ki Govt Ho Tu...", Kashif Abbasi Raise Important Questions
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abazi.
00:15The democracy solves problems, but our system does not have the capacity to solve them.
00:24The government and the justice movement are still engaged in negotiations.
00:31The government is ready to negotiate with everyone, not just the establishment.
00:41A long journey has been completed in the last year and a half.
00:45The government and the opposition movement have completed this journey.
00:50Everyone has seen a lot of ups and downs in this journey.
00:54Why does the PTI want to negotiate and why is the government refusing?
00:59Let me tell you what was said in the first negotiations.
01:03It all started when the government used to say, come and talk to us.
01:21The government used to say, come and talk to us.
01:24The justice movement used to say, we will talk to the establishment.
01:28They have the power, they have the authority, who are you?
01:31Achit Imran Khan will also do it in his term and condition.
01:34Do not sit with people who have reached the hands of Pakistan.
01:37What dialogue are we going to have with them?
01:39IPPs do not have a dialogue with them.
01:41We will talk to those who should have power.
01:44Those who have the power, the mother of power is the establishment.
01:46These people are nothing.
01:47Establishment is a reality and Pakistan's justice movement is also a big reality.
01:51If you tag the parameters of the joke, then things will be easier.
01:55From here, the protest of 26 November, that watershed moment was proven.
02:01After which the justice movement is now requesting the government
02:05that not only the establishment, whether it is angels or humans,
02:09whether it is the government or the establishment, we are ready to talk to everyone.
02:12Jokes should be made. This committee is ready to joke with everyone.
02:15Come, you are our brother.
02:17These personal enemies should not be made.
02:19Whoever is ready to joke, whether it is humans or angels,
02:22whoever is ready to joke, God willing.
02:24We have made a committee on our own.
02:26And there should be a conversation.
02:28It is very necessary to find a political solution to political problems.
02:31And this problem should have been solved some time ago.
02:34But now a committee has been made.
02:36But now the government is joking.
02:40Do not want to talk to them.
02:43We crossed all the red lines on 9th May.
02:46Even a reconciliator like me cannot do anything today,
02:48until their decision is taken.
02:50The conditions they have imposed, you tell me, how can there be a joke on it?
02:53Now there is a card of civil disobedience.
02:55You can play the card once.
02:57If it was a conversation to save Faiz Zameed, then it cannot be.
03:00If it is tied to the conditions, then it will not be.
03:02If the sword of civil disobedience is hanging, then it will not be.
03:05Sir, it was a statement that it cannot be.
03:08When you consider yourself to be a winner,
03:11then it usually happens.
03:13It seems that the government has come to a winner's position.
03:17Not winning, but a winner's position.
03:19They have won.
03:20That is why they do not need to talk.
03:22And looking at such statements, it seems that the judiciary does not want to protest.
03:27When I used to meet many people from the party,
03:30they used to say that we are tired.
03:32Ali Amin Gandapur, again and again,
03:35from where such a big group, sometimes 5000, 10,000, 20,000 people come.
03:40This daily exercise is not easy.
03:42If you do it 2, 3, 4 times, then it becomes difficult.
03:45And now, looking at the statements of the PTI,
03:48it seems that they want a conversation.
03:51And the problem will be solved through a conversation.
03:53But what is the problem?
03:54At this time, the judiciary does not want to talk,
03:57nor does the government think that it is allowed.
03:59Now no one doubts that Imran Khan not only had to go to jail,
04:04but also had to stay in jail.
04:06Now every passing day decides how long he had to stay in jail.
04:11At this time, Imran Khan's acceptance is his biggest enemy.
04:15Today I read his tweet,
04:17it has been 500 days since he was completed in jail.
04:20Usually, a politician's fate is decided in these days.
04:24And this fate was decided in the case of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
04:29by hanging him.
04:31And this fate was decided in the case of Mian Nawaz Sharif,
04:34by sending him out of Pakistan twice.
04:36In 2000 and in 2019.
04:40But Imran Khan has been in jail for 500 days,
04:43and it does not seem that his jail problems will decrease soon.
04:48As I said, his acceptance is his biggest enemy.
04:51This fear will not allow Imran Khan to be released from jail.
04:55Because no one is able to accept the results of Imran Khan's release.
04:58If Imran Khan comes out of jail,
05:00then the general impression is that the government will fall.
05:02It will be a matter of days and weeks,
05:04the government may not be able to work.
05:06Because if Imran Khan comes out of jail without any deal,
05:08then if he calls against the government,
05:10that he is an acceptable leader,
05:12it will not work.
05:14If there is an election, then he will get two-thirds majority,
05:16and this is not acceptable for anyone.
05:18Therefore, if Imran Khan is not ready to do this deal,
05:20that he will not come out of jail and bring down the government,
05:22this system will work for a few years.
05:24If he does not accept this deal,
05:26then I do not think that any other deal can move forward.
05:29That is why it is very difficult to negotiate
05:31between the government and the Justice Movement.
05:33Because both have nothing to give each other.
05:36The pressure on the democratic system is that
05:38everyone should work in the same way today.
05:42The government will be happy to do this.
05:45But will the Justice Movement accept this?
05:49Is this acceptable for them or not?
05:52They have many desires.
05:54The 26th amendment should be restored.
05:56The constitution should be amended.
05:58The law should be followed in this country.
06:00There should be a rule of law.
06:02There should be an audit of the elections on 8th February.
06:04Seats should be restored.
06:06On 9th May and 26th November,
06:08a trustworthy Judicial Commission should be formed.
06:10But in reality, the Justice Movement has one demand.
06:12Imran Khan should be released.
06:14They know that if he is released,
06:16everything else will be easier.
06:18If the issue is not resolved,
06:20then what will they do?
06:22The issue is that
06:24Imran Khan's release is not possible now.
06:27As I have said earlier,
06:29the result will not let that happen.
06:34If the issue is not resolved,
06:36then where will they go?
06:38Will the system last for five years?
06:40Will the Prime Minister change
06:42and replace Sharif with Bhutto?
06:46This is the question that is troubling everyone.
06:49It is troubling because
06:51the answer is always the same.
06:53This system cannot continue like this.
06:55The economy is in a bad state.
06:57Inflation has not decreased,
06:59but the rate of inflation has decreased.
07:01When the political situation is like this,
07:03when the accepted leaders are in jail,
07:05when there is a government of 47 forms
07:07and even if it is unaccepted,
07:09then it is difficult for the system to continue like this.
07:11The democracy resolves the issues.
07:13It finds ways.
07:15But here the ways are being closed.
07:17As I have said,
07:19someone has to step back.
07:21Both parties are not ready yet.
07:23There is one way,
07:25for argument.
07:27Either Imran Khan steps back
07:29and the system continues,
07:31which does not look like today's tweet.
07:33He has to stay inside all his life.
07:35I am talking about the argument.
07:37The system should continue.
07:39For now, this is the only way left.
07:41After 26th November,
07:43the other side,
07:45the government,
07:47now there is an arrogance in the discussion.
07:49Such situations are not good for the countries.
07:51The PTI is now
07:53standing close to a dead end
07:55because you will see a lack of options
07:57in their statements.
07:59The lack of options is now
08:01in the attitude of Tehrik-e-Insaf.
08:03That is why, instead of a protest call,
08:05there is a talk of negotiations.
08:07Is it right for the country
08:09not to solve the problems of this country
08:11and not to solve the problems of politics?
08:13But Tehrik-e-Insaf
08:15has very few options left.
08:17Rauf Hassan is with me.
08:19Thank you, Mr. Asif.
08:21After the scene you have painted,
08:23I think there is no room for discussion.
08:25But what part do you disagree with?
08:27What do you disagree with?
08:29You have said that the system
08:31can run for 5 years or not.
08:33This is what you have said.
08:35You are talking about 2-3 years.
08:37This is not a problem of the system.
08:39This has become a problem of the state.
08:41I am saying this very seriously.
08:43You are using these words interchangeably.
08:45I will not do it, at least.
08:47The state is a different thing.
08:49The country is a different thing.
08:51That is why, in the end,
08:53we said that the country cannot run like this.
08:55I was coming to that.
08:57You said it yourself.
08:59There is a lot.
09:01I disagree.
09:03You have hinted that
09:05the PTI does not want to protest.
09:07Mr. Khan will give instructions.
09:09There will be a protest.
09:11You know that
09:13Mr. Ali Amin Gandapur
09:15went to meet him today.
09:17He was not allowed to meet him.
09:19He went to meet him
09:21for the final instructions
09:23of Mr. Khan.
09:25He was not allowed to meet him.
09:27On Thursday,
09:29Mr. Zartaj Gul said
09:31that the civil non-formality
09:33has been shelved.
09:35I don't think so.
09:37Yes, it is possible.
09:39But the situation
09:41that you mentioned
09:43in the beginning,
09:45that if the protests
09:47start,
09:49then they will be
09:51banned.
09:53For how many days
09:55have you been trying
09:57to stop the protests?
09:59We are trying.
10:01The protests,
10:03as you have shown
10:05in the footage,
10:07at the end of the day,
10:09the ones who have the power
10:11will be the ones to negotiate.
10:13They do not have their own power.
10:15This is their crisis.
10:17This is not the ultimate
10:19source with which
10:21they will negotiate.
10:23Khawaja has said this.
10:25I will let you know.
10:27Mr. Khawaja,
10:29what did Mr. Asif say?
10:31Can we negotiate
10:33on behalf of the establishment?
10:35If there is a decision to negotiate,
10:37then definitely
10:39until all the parties
10:41are behind this decision,
10:43there can be no
10:45negotiation.
10:47I agree with you.
10:49I have been saying this
10:51for the past 6-7 days
10:53that ultimately their role
10:55is of a conduit.
10:57They are connecting us
10:59to create an environment
11:01and provide a platform.
11:03What can you give each other
11:05on the platform of negotiation?
11:07I have accepted that if something
11:09happens outside, then only
11:11the system will change.
11:13The biggest crisis in this country
11:15is the political instability.
11:17Consequent economic instability
11:19which is not being solved.
11:21As you and I talk,
11:23the economic problems are
11:25getting more grave.
11:27The biggest thing we can give them
11:29is that by negotiating with us,
11:31there can be political stability
11:33and economic stability.
11:35We will have to conclude
11:37the country.
11:39If you are ready to accept
11:41one condition,
11:43then what will be your condition?
11:45To get Imran Khan out.
11:47Our biggest wish right now
11:49is to get all the political prisoners
11:51out.
11:53If Imran Khan comes out,
11:55then all of us will come out.
11:57If Imran Khan comes out,
11:59will the government have
12:01the option to get him out?
12:03There will be so much instability.
12:05We are discussing this.
12:07Your voters must be
12:09trying to understand
12:11the advantages and disadvantages
12:13of this.
12:15Do you think that if Imran Khan
12:17comes out, then the government
12:19will be able to run?
12:21The government is not running
12:23right now.
12:25It will fall.
12:27I am personally privy to so much
12:29that is happening around.
12:31The international organizations
12:33and IMF are not moving forward.
12:35The World Bank has not yet
12:37given the $500 billion loan.
12:39Why not?
12:41It has been cancelled.
12:43Why?
12:45Has this happened in the
12:47history of Pakistan?
12:49An international institution
12:51withdrew it after
12:53making an announcement.
12:55You are the one
12:57who is saying that
12:59all of this should happen.
13:01The IMF should step back.
13:03The World Bank should step back.
13:05The government should fall.
13:07If that happens,
13:09well and good.
13:11If it doesn't,
13:13let's say,
13:15let's agree to everything.
13:17Then the system will run.
13:19Whether it runs for 4 months,
13:218 months, 1 year, 1.5 years.
13:23Imran Khan can't give his
13:25opinion. You can't give
13:27this government more time.
13:29You can take 3 years or 2 years.
13:31We will not make the government
13:33fall.
13:35If elections are won,
13:37genuine elections are won,
13:39then we will support them.
13:41We will cooperate with them.
13:43Kashif, we had an interesting
13:45conversation today.
13:47Let's put it this way.
13:49Let's see.
13:51Let's stand up and say
13:53that we don't believe in the constitution.
13:55We don't believe in the law.
13:57Let's talk to the Prime Minister.
13:59Did you get the election done?
14:01No, we didn't do anything.
14:03Did you break the constitution?
14:05Yes, we broke it many times.
14:07Did your people try to go back to the assembly?
14:09They said they won't.
14:11We did a lot.
14:13What didn't we do before the election?
14:15What didn't we do on the day of the election?
14:17What didn't we do after that?
14:19The Prime Minister should address the nation
14:21and say that we won't bring the constitution
14:23into this country.
14:25Let's see what happens.
14:27But we can't see your face
14:29behind every veneer you create.
14:31You should come forward.
14:33Then we can talk.
14:35Sir,
14:37again,
14:39the problem is that
14:41no one has the keys to
14:43the place where the system is locked.
14:45This is the reason.
14:47You say that we should run the country
14:49according to the constitution,
14:51follow the law,
14:53form judicial commissions,
14:55find out what happened at what time,
14:57what are your demands,
14:59conduct an election audit.
15:01None of that is acceptable.
15:03The government won't listen to you.
15:05You can't do what they want from you.
15:07That's why this deadlock.
15:09That's why I say this is where we are.
15:11Will you propose that we accept
15:13an unconstitutional and illegal government?
15:15No, no.
15:17Then it's a fight.
15:19That means they want to fight.
15:21That's why this system will stay here.
15:23No, I won't agree to this.
15:25But when we fight,
15:27the country will be weak.
15:29When we fight, the state will be weak.
15:31And the pressures will increase.
15:33And it will pack up soon.
15:35But sir, all your anger,
15:37all your pressures,
15:39we'll do this, we'll do that.
15:41You haven't got an answer yet.
15:43Civil disobedience.
15:45Civil disobedience.
15:47You said it.
15:49That's on the cards.
15:51If there's no answer,
15:53there's no deadline,
15:55then civil disobedience.
15:57That's why Ali Ameen Gaddapoor
15:59said take his final directions.
16:01If he says start this,
16:03it will start.
16:05Khan's order means the party will obey.
16:07There is no other option.
16:09So that's one thing.
16:11You're saying civil disobedience.
16:13Secondly, the negotiations,
16:15there's no offer yet.
16:17No, they didn't even say no.
16:19I wanted to talk about it.
16:21They didn't even say no.
16:23When they come to the media,
16:25it's a different story.
16:27What's happening inside?
16:29They're willing.
16:31They said yes, we'll talk.
16:33But what's the condition?
16:35Maybe they're getting clearances.
16:37Maybe they're getting clearances.
16:39They're not letting anyone talk.
16:41They're not letting anyone talk.
16:43Maybe they're getting clearances.
16:45Maybe they're getting clearances.
16:49When I talk about the clearances,
16:51I talk to their partners,
16:53about the issues.
16:55I see the government falling.
16:57If they don't solve the issues
16:59with People's Party,
17:01with JUIF,
17:03But did you see Wada's tweet?
17:05Did you see Wada's tweet?
17:07I have written to you before the program.
17:09He has expressed hope that Bilawal Bhutto and the Prime Minister will meet.
17:13Maulana's issues will be resolved.
17:15MQM and BAP party's representative, which is an operative part for you.
17:19Along with PTI, democratic issues will be dealt with democratically.
17:25Is that hope for you?
17:27Let's assume that the issues are democratic, but they want to resolve it democratically.
17:31We want to resolve it democratically.
17:33When you say that you want to talk to the establishment, this is a non-democratic way.
17:39I hope that this becomes a non-democratic way in reality.
17:45One day.
17:46Unfortunately.
17:47I hope so.
17:48I hope so.
17:49Do you feel that this is a message that you will resolve all the issues through talks?
17:55We are ready for talks.
17:57I am saying it openly.
17:58All our leaders are saying it.
18:00We are saying it.
18:01We are hopeful that if talks start, the issues will be resolved.
18:06We will get something.
18:07I was the only one from the party who used to say that talks should be done.
18:14And you were the one who was saying it to the politicians.
18:16Talks should be done.
18:17The party respects you.
18:18I know this.
18:19Talks should be done.
18:20Ultimately, we can move forward through talks.
18:22I hope and pray that we move forward through talks.
18:26And the environment of agitation should be diluted.
18:32And ultimately, it should be ended.
18:34And there should be give and take.
18:35The ball is in the court of the government at this moment in time.
18:40They are in their court, but they are having fun.
18:43They are having fun.
18:45In Punjabi, it is called, thatha lagana.
18:47They say, let them play their cards first.
18:50Mr. Imran Khan has said that this is the last card.
18:52Read Mr. Irfan Siddiqui's tweet.
18:54You know him better than me.
18:56The pressures that have been built on him.
18:59The pressure is not allowing him to make jokes.
19:02Maybe because of the pressure, he is making jokes.
19:06But it is possible that if someone wants to make a joke, why not do it with you?
19:10Mr. Wada has written another thing in his tweet, which I will tell you later.
19:14That he is trying.
19:15Very interesting.
19:17The things that he has said on TV, will he try to come back?
19:20Who?
19:21Mr. Wada.
19:22He is not talking about anyone.
19:23It is his right if he wants to come back.
19:24You have no objection?
19:25What is my objection?
19:27Mr. Khan has to decide.
19:29Who to keep in the party, who not to keep.
19:31Who to take and who not to take.
19:32If I ask you, will you oppose or say okay, sir?
19:34There will be a lot of reservations in his record in the past.
19:37There will be a lot of reservations.
19:38But you are saying this.
19:39He also said that I want to solve the problems between them.
19:42Then do it.
19:43What are you announcing?
19:44They are waiting.
19:45Start it.
19:46Start the negotiations.
19:47Okay.
19:48If you are saying, let's see what happens.
19:50Sir, if there is no negotiation of the party, is this the plan B?
19:56This is it at the moment.
19:58What are the developments ahead?
20:00How do we move forward?
20:01This as a strategy failed in 2014.
20:04This strategy failed in 2014.
20:05Yes, absolutely.
20:06But there is a lot of difference between 2014 and 2024.
20:09The level of frustration today has increased a lot.
20:12Problems have increased a lot.
20:13People will not pay their electricity bills.
20:14Electricity will be cut.
20:15Gas will be cut.
20:16We are not going to the electricity bills, sir.
20:17Right now, we are only talking about remittances.
20:20That we have to tell our diaspora to reduce the remittances.
20:25Not to finish, but to reduce.
20:26They should do what they need.
20:27So, they should reduce.
20:28Right now, we are talking about this.
20:30And it will definitely make a difference.
20:32Because I have been talking to many economists.
20:34To inquire.
20:35Because I am not an economist.
20:36So, I have talked to them for my information.
20:39I have told them.
20:40They are all unanimous.
20:41That it will make a difference.
20:42How much it depends on how much they reduce.
20:46Opposition is also talking to Mahmood Khan Achakzai.
20:50In the end, if there is no discussion, there will be civil disobedience.
20:55Right now, he has said to postpone civil disobedience.
20:59Will Achakzai take it seriously?
21:01No, Mahmood Khan Achakzai is taken seriously in the party.
21:05So, if he says to postpone, it can be done.
21:07But what will he do after that?
21:08The decision has to be made by Mr. Khan.
21:10By the way, Mr. Khan has called him for the meeting.
21:13He has called 4-5 leaders.
21:15He has called Mr. Mahmood Achakzai.
21:17He has called Mr. Akhtar Mangal.
21:20And I have information that he has called Mr. Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman.
21:23Now, it is up to the government whether it gives permission or not.
21:27Sir, you do one thing.
21:28These leaders should go on the day of the meeting.
21:30They should go and stand outside Adiala.
21:32This itself will be big news.
21:34A huge news.
21:35That Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman is standing outside Adiala Jail and he is not allowed to go inside.
21:39This is evening news.
21:40So, today, Mr. Imran Khan has invited him.
21:42I have been told that he has initiated the evening news.
21:46I want to talk to all these leaders.
21:48Donald Trump's decision.
21:50There was a lot of talk when Donald Trump won the election.
21:53I am sure you also came with me in this program.
21:55And everybody was asking, what will happen now?
21:58You were saying that the campaign funding of Donald Trump,
22:02which was done by the Pakistanis,
22:04was done on the guarantee that they will do something for Imran Khan's release.
22:10I was reading a tweet by Hammad Azhar yesterday.
22:12Richard Grenell.
22:13Yes, that's a very significant appointment.
22:15It's a very important appointment.
22:16Very important appointment.
22:17And the reason for that is his tweets about Imran Khan.
22:20He has been a great advocate for his freedom.
22:22So, what do you think?
22:25What is your hope as PTI?
22:27What will happen?
22:28Do you have any talks with your diaspora?
22:31I can share with you that there is already a lot of pressure on them.
22:35The democratic traditions and human rights in this context.
22:38I can tell you the name of the pressure, but I won't because we are in a public domain.
22:43Will the pressure on people like Richard Grenell's appointment increase?
22:49It can increase.
22:50I am not saying that it will increase.
22:52Appointment.
22:53But would it put pressure on Donald Trump to do something?
22:57I have spoken to Donald Trump's international leadership.
23:04He has said that he has guaranteed that we will consider this.
23:11And you can consider it and reject it.
23:15No, no.
23:16This is how we talk diplomatically.
23:18But sir, won't this interfere with the internal affairs of Pakistan?
23:21I don't depend on them.
23:24I told you in the last program that I am not depending on them.
23:27But when you are talking, I am just telling you that they have their own stakeholders.
23:32They have their own complexities.
23:34They have to make their own policies.
23:36Pakistan figures very low.
23:38Perfect figures.
23:39Virtually, we don't figure there at all.
23:41So, what do you expect in these circumstances?
23:43Given the new Afghanistan reality.
23:45But there is a lot of pressure on the government.
23:48Sir, Ali, two last questions.
23:50First, they announced that they will shoot.
23:53Now, we will shoot.
23:55Has this become a policy?
23:58No, sir.
23:59This cannot become a policy.
24:01Sir, shooting cannot become a policy.
24:03If I tell you, will you listen?
24:04I have heard.
24:05I have heard.
24:06I would put that.
24:07Such statements keep coming in politics.
24:09I have seen many more.
24:10Do you consider this a political statement?
24:12Absolutely.
24:13Nothing more than that.
24:14And the PTI will reject it if it comes out.
24:16Look, political issues cannot be solved in the battlefield.
24:22Politicians do not go to the battlefield anyway.
24:26They sit at the table.
24:28They should sit at the table.
24:29Talk.
24:30And this civil disobedience and KPK government.
24:32Can they do something about civil disobedience here?
24:35Because this question was asked to Ali Muhammad Khan.
24:39He said, KPK is our government.
24:41We will do it where Form 47 is in power.
24:43This is the problem.
24:44This is for Imran Khan's freedom.
24:46They are joining him with Form 47 and the election audit.
24:49So, can KPK do something so that no one gives a mill to Wafaaq?
24:53That is not on the table yet.
24:55What happens, Mr. Kashif?
24:57The meeting with Mr. Khan, which is Ali Amin's,
24:59the decision will be made only after that.
25:01I can say strongly in the context of Ali Amin, Ali Muhammad Khan's statement
25:07that the role that Pakistan will play, KP will also play.
25:11In fact, KP will play the biggest role.
25:15The biggest support base is in KP.
25:18It is Mr. Khan's.
25:19So, why won't he play?
25:20I am saying that he will not play.
25:21No, that is not correct.
25:22So, will he play?
25:23Absolutely.
25:24Ali Muhammad Khan does not know.
25:25Absolutely.
25:26Thank you very much.
25:27Professor, Mr. Majid was with us.
25:28Let's take a break.
25:29We will be back after the break.
25:33Welcome back, viewers.
25:34Dr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary is with us from Muslim League Nood.
25:37Doctor, Tariq-e-Insaaf is now ready to talk to you as well.
25:42She is ready.
25:43Earlier, she did not want to talk to you.
25:45She wanted to talk to the establishment.
25:47But now, I feel that she has fewer options.
25:50She also feels that after 26, there are very few political options.
25:54That is why.
25:56But you do not talk.
25:57I have told you in the beginning of the program about your statements.
26:01Earlier, you used to say, come and talk to us.
26:03We will talk to you.
26:04Problems are solved through conversation.
26:06She is not talking to the Muslim League Nood.
26:08Why?
26:10Brother, look.
26:11Conversation is the only way to move matters forward.
26:15People like you understand this.
26:16I understand this as a political worker.
26:18Doctors are weak in poetry.
26:21But there is a poem, let me scratch the soil of the country.
26:25I am sure that the way will come out from here.
26:28Sooner or later, you will have to get involved in a political dialogue.
26:33You said that there are fewer options.
26:36I would say that there is less political space for political parties.
26:39And that is due to the fight between the parties.
26:41And if the PTI realized this 10 months ago.
26:46So, this space went to the establishment?
26:48Look, the establishment.
26:50I read Mr. Shahbaz's statement on the front page.
26:54It was such a big headline.
26:55He said, I am serious about talking to you.
26:57But the Prime Minister refused.
26:59No, no.
27:00He did not refuse.
27:01And I think that you do not want to talk to him.
27:05We have heard Mr. Khawaja Asif's statement.
27:07That you are preparing him as well.
27:09If he is not ready, you cannot talk to him.
27:11It seems that you are not allowed to talk to him.
27:13Look, the Prime Minister is not refusing.
27:18This is a reaction to the statements of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Jansahab.
27:22In which he says, I was in a program 5 days ago.
27:27In 2-3 programs, he said,
27:29We are ready to talk to you.
27:31The next day, Mr. Umar Ayub said,
27:33The civil disobedience movement that we talked about,
27:36It stands in its place.
27:38On the third day, he said,
27:39First, complete these 2 matters, then we will come to the negotiations.
27:43So, these conditional negotiations,
27:46You can say that it is something that should not be done.
27:48You sit once.
27:49Then talk.
27:51Some snow will melt.
27:52Some you will move forward.
27:53Doctor, after 26th November,
27:55Did you become arrogant?
27:57Generally, there is a kind of do or die.
28:00Will not leave.
28:01Will hang.
28:02Will throw.
28:03Such matters.
28:04And statements are made.
28:05And you are seeing that after that,
28:07Now it is a matter of conversation.
28:09And what happened before.
28:11Did you become arrogant after this?
28:13We are winners.
28:15Will not leave.
28:16As you said, we will catch it.
28:18There are some political statements.
28:19Every party needs it.
28:21Every Jalsa needs it.
28:22You can call it like this.
28:23But practically,
28:25Whenever a government is arrogant,
28:27You will understand that its days have been counted.
28:31Its downfall starts.
28:33And we have seen a lot of downfalls as a government.
28:35Therefore, we are definitely not arrogant.
28:37This is one thing.
28:38I saw the statement.
28:39That's why I am saying.
28:40Because he said,
28:41You have a card.
28:42You play that card first.
28:43You have another card.
28:44You play first.
28:45This is the mode of putting together.
28:47No, no.
28:48If someone has put it.
28:50Because you understand this.
28:51That you see,
28:52Conditional talks will not happen.
28:53Do it on the conditional side.
28:54You have to talk to us.
28:55Do it on the conditional side.
28:56Without conditions.
28:57Come and sit.
28:58This is one way.
28:59There is no other way.
29:00But when he said,
29:01You play the card.
29:02We will see.
29:03I have told you.
29:04Give some space to the political parties.
29:05Give some political statements.
29:06Give some space.
29:07The real thing is this.
29:08The way will come from here.
29:09And the second thing.
29:10What is the way?
29:11I will tell you one more compulsion.
29:12Listen to that too.
29:13I am telling you.
29:14One more compulsion of our government is that
29:15We are not a single party government.
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