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- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
Why was the 190 million decision not announced? Muhammad Malick Break Big News
"Imran Khan Ko Bahir Nikalna Hai Tu...", Javed Latif's Reaction on Negatiation
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- Muhammad Malick
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- Raoof Hasan PTI
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
Why was the 190 million decision not announced? Muhammad Malick Break Big News
"Imran Khan Ko Bahir Nikalna Hai Tu...", Javed Latif's Reaction on Negatiation
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Maud Malik.
00:15What do they say, the one we were waiting for has finally arrived.
00:19Great hopes, great hopes have suddenly arisen for the entire nation, which is at least sitting
00:24on a negotiating table.
00:25The PTI and the people of the government alliance.
00:28Now the question arises, how serious is it?
00:32Will there be any meaningful dialogue in this or not?
00:35This is everyone's hope, because whenever the conference table gets hot, the roads
00:40get cold.
00:41There is a sense of stability.
00:42There has been a lot of optimism in the country like fresh air.
00:46But is this a matter of hope against hope or will it work somewhere?
00:51Because there are some reasons for it.
00:53Both sides are sitting with great helplessness.
00:55The government, PTI, PTI first put all the pressure.
00:59The road was also heated.
01:01Then we saw the 9th May incident.
01:03Then in October, there was a lot of violence against them.
01:07Then the 24th of May, the November incident.
01:10Then the 26th incident.
01:12And things kept getting worse.
01:14Their stance was that if we talk, we will talk to the army.
01:17The army said, we will not talk to you, you politicians talk to each other.
01:21There was no such compulsion in the government.
01:25The Supreme Court is in control.
01:27They have the Election Commission in control.
01:29The meme has come.
01:31They were also sitting and crying.
01:33They were not worried.
01:34What happened all of a sudden?
01:36Why is everyone so enthusiastic?
01:38There are two or three reasons for this.
01:40I will share with you very quickly.
01:42First, I shared two or three news with you in the last few weeks.
01:46And quickly I want to mention two or three news.
01:49Because what I am talking about has a direct connection with it.
01:53Listen to it.
01:57It is a clear split.
01:59It is clear that Mr. Jassar is in the minority.
02:01Otherwise, we would have heard the decision yesterday.
02:03According to the information we are getting,
02:05and the assessments,
02:07it seems that this is a 8-5 decision.
02:098 in favour, 5 against.
02:11And it seems that this decision will be accepted by the PTI.
02:16My information is that he has gone.
02:18And the doors of Diyala will open again every night.
02:21The message that has been given to him is that
02:23look, the shower mode is very difficult.
02:27You are sitting in Sanjani.
02:29And there can be a lot of pressure on the matter of Iran.
02:32My information is that they were talking at a very high level.
02:36And the decision was made there,
02:38just like the government had made three cases before
02:40and they had passed the decision.
02:42Iddat case, Cypher, etc.
02:44They were released from the court at the same speed.
02:46This time, the decision was that
02:48the decision should be written in great detail,
02:50in great detail,
02:52so that there is no embarrassment with them
02:54and they can withstand any legal challenge.
02:57And if it takes days,
02:59it doesn't matter, let it take.
03:01And according to me,
03:03the decision will come in January, not in December.
03:05If 8-10 days go up and down,
03:07it doesn't matter.
03:09I think the first week of January should also come.
03:11And you have seen,
03:13on the first week of January,
03:15the judge gave an almost funny reason.
03:17He said that winter vacations are coming,
03:19and there is a court in the Supreme Court.
03:21He knew this even on the day
03:23when he gave the date of today
03:25to announce the safe decision.
03:27What happened?
03:29Many people think that
03:31because negotiations have started in the background,
03:33maybe that is why it has been postponed.
03:35In the meantime,
03:37see how the negotiations increase.
03:39But I am sharing the news that
03:41it is not true.
03:43The postponement is only to ensure
03:45that the decision is written
03:47in the strictest way possible
03:49and in a full way.
03:51It should not be written in a funny way
03:53like the previous three cases.
03:55Although there are many split opinions in this case.
03:57The PTI lawyers say that
03:59it is a very funny case.
04:01The government says that it is a very strong case.
04:03They always listen to these things.
04:05But there is no compromise in this.
04:07You will hear the decision
04:09and there will be a conviction.
04:11Mr. Khan has said it many times
04:13that there will be a conviction.
04:15Then why is there a negotiation?
04:17There were two pressures in the government.
04:19The first pressure
04:21was
04:23the statement
04:25of the European Union
04:27in which they talked about the conviction.
04:29It is a very strong statement
04:31of a spokesman
04:33in which they say
04:35that
04:37on Sunday
04:39there are Christmas holidays
04:41and the timing is very interesting.
04:43Why did it come so suddenly?
04:45Let's talk about GPS Plus.
04:47Why is GPS Plus important?
04:49In this,
04:51the European Union
04:53GSP Plus
04:55is our
04:57second largest partner
04:59in terms of trade.
05:01Our mutual trade is
05:03one billion.
05:05I was reading the figures of the European Union
05:07in which they stated
05:09that when Pakistan got this status
05:11in 2014
05:13then in Pakistan's exports
05:15there was an increase of 108%.
05:17In the European Union
05:19countries.
05:21Exports had touched
05:235.5 billion Euros.
05:25Their imports have also increased by
05:275%.
05:29But there is a convention
05:31in which
05:33it was decided
05:35that the trials will be independent
05:37and free.
05:39They have raised objections
05:41and the last line
05:43states that Pakistan
05:45voluntarily agreed
05:47that there are 27 international conventions
05:49including the ICCPR
05:51in order to continue
05:53benefiting from GSP.
05:55GSP expired
05:57in December 2023
05:59and there are negotiations
06:01to renew it.
06:03A meeting is expected in 2025.
06:05This is very important for Pakistan.
06:07A while ago, the Foreign Commonwealth
06:09and Development Office UK
06:11released a statement
06:13criticizing
06:15this convention.
06:17The second
06:19pressure
06:21was
06:23on the ICCPR.
06:25Let me share an interesting thing.
06:27When you read an article
06:29it is allowed
06:31that if a trial is based on national security
06:33it can be done outside
06:35the media and public.
06:37But the verdict
06:39has not been announced
06:41yet.
06:43I spoke to
06:45some concerned people
06:47and they said
06:49that their system is different
06:51and they are not worried
06:53because when there are appeals
06:55they will be heard by the public.
06:57That is why
06:59our system is different.
07:01But there is pressure on them
07:03and there is no doubt about it.
07:05We know about the PTI's compulsion
07:07and they are not talking about it.
07:09If you look at the constitution
07:11that the negotiating team
07:13of the government has made
07:15it is a complete convention.
07:17There are 9 parties
07:19but 9 people are not interested.
07:21The participation of some people
07:23like Ujaz ul Haq, Saleh Hussain
07:25Khalid Bakboor, Aleem Khan
07:27and Khalid Bakji
07:29are all people
07:31whom the government never asked
07:33when they were working on the 26th amendment
07:35when they were working on the budget
07:37when they were talking about the judicial commission
07:39when they were talking about the Supreme Court changes
07:41it seems that
07:43there are so many conflicting
07:45interests
07:47that there are no negotiations.
07:49So this is a very very
07:51important issue.
07:53There is another reasoning
07:55that the government is in a hurry
07:57to show the European Union
07:59and UK
08:01that there is a functioning democracy
08:03there are military trials
08:05but they are according to our law
08:07and if
08:09I spoke to Ali Zafar
08:11on the phone
08:13and I asked him
08:15if the Supreme Court
08:17allows
08:19the military trials
08:21in the case of May 9th
08:23then what will be the status
08:25of the European Union
08:27and the Commonwealth Office?
08:29He said that these things
08:31will become ineffective.
08:33So now, the Constitutional Benches
08:35that are made with a lot of hard work
08:37have another responsibility
08:39that in the national interest
08:41for the country's trade
08:43look at this angle
08:45so these things are very interesting
08:47This is Rauf Hassan
08:49Senior Leader of PTA
08:51Assalam-o-Alaikum
08:53Sorry for the little
08:55extended intro
08:57but there were so many things
08:59that I could not understand
09:01how to wrap up
09:03How hopeful are you
09:05because when you hear
09:07the statement of the Defence Minister
09:09and some other people
09:11they are already saying
09:13that they are helpless
09:15How positive are you
09:17on this?
09:19Thank you Mr. Malik
09:21I heard your
09:23intro
09:25You have said a lot
09:27I would like to clarify 2-3 things
09:29that if people think
09:31that the government
09:33wanted to negotiate with us
09:35then that is wrong
09:37The government did not want
09:39to negotiate with us
09:41They are reluctant
09:43The composition of the delegation
09:45that you have mentioned
09:47proves that
09:49they are not trying
09:51to reach a conclusion
09:53Second
09:55the establishment
09:57did not want to negotiate
09:59with PTI
10:01I would like to say
10:03that the establishment
10:05is negotiating with PTI
10:07and the government
10:09is a platform
10:11that is being used
10:13by the Chief Minister
10:15or the Speaker
10:17of the National Assembly
10:19Actually
10:21the establishment
10:23is negotiating
10:25and I can give a lot of
10:27testimonies in this system
10:29like Rana Sinhaullah
10:313-4 days ago
10:33I don't know
10:35if it was in your program
10:37or any other program
10:39but it was his approval
10:41and basically
10:43he started the negotiation process
10:45Wait a second
10:47If you are saying
10:49that our negotiations
10:51are being done
10:53with the establishment
10:55then I have the press release
10:57of the ISPR
10:59It has very harsh words
11:01I would like to see
11:03what has changed
11:05in 3 days
11:08This was an unacceptable
11:10process of political terrorism
11:12We are talking about May 9th
11:14They defined it as political terrorism
11:16Then in the press release
11:18they say that
11:20many accused
11:22are in various anti-terrorism courts
11:24and their cases are going on
11:26However
11:28justice will be fully serviced
11:30once the mastermind
11:32and planners of 9th May tragedy
11:34are punished as per the constitution
11:36Mastermind
11:38and planners
11:40They are talking in singular
11:42Mastermind and planners
11:44Then they say
11:46that we have to
11:48uproot this evil of violence
11:50disruptive and destructive politics
11:52based on hate, divisiveness
11:54and blaseless propaganda
11:56that we will eradicate
11:58this evil, violence-driven, disruptive
12:00This is the sentiment
12:02of the establishment
12:04Unequivocally
12:06they say nothing doing
12:08Then what are you talking about?
12:10Two or three things
12:12First of all
12:14this is not a new thing
12:16This language
12:18has been used before
12:20and it has been reiterated
12:22many times
12:24If we
12:26sideline it for a while
12:28then the best way
12:30to conduct negotiations
12:32is to put pressure
12:34on PTI
12:36So if we have to put pressure
12:38on PTI
12:40so that PTI wilts
12:42so that PTI compromises
12:44then the best pressure
12:46is the same
12:48that you have told me
12:50about 9th May
12:52or the cases
12:54after 26th November
12:56many people
12:58who had nothing to do
13:00with PTI
13:02and PTI
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14:52sensitive matter hai. Aur abhi bhi yeh ek behas chal rahi hai ki yeh jo £190 million
14:58case hai, isme kya karna hai unke saath. Yakeen maanein yeh aise nahi faisla itna delay ho
15:03raha. They are still in a quandary over that. Aur yeh hi cheezein maximum ab bhi table pe
15:08hai. Isse zyada yeh government aapko kuch de nahi sakti. Is this good enough? Because
15:14yeh faisla to bhi hai ki abhi Khan sahab ko kisi keemate afford nahi karte baahar aane
15:19dena. To short of that, koi kamyabi hai negotiation ki. Agar Imran Khan ki release nahi hoti,
15:26toh phir yeh muzaqaraat jo bhi lelein, wo kamyabi hogi ke naakami hogi? Dekhe ji, humare
15:34do in muzaqaraat me enter karne se pehle humne do apne batalbaat jo hai wo saamne rakhe the.
15:395-6 nahi rakhe the, sirf 2. Number 1, political prisoners ki rehai, jo beguna jail mein qayad
15:45hai. Pichle day-day saal se, Khan sahab khud 500 se zyada din se jail mein hai is waqet
15:49tak. Aur number 2, 9th of May aur 26th of November ki jo incident se, unfortunate incident
15:55se, in ke baare mein judicial commissions ka kyaan? Aur ek transparent aur impartial
16:00investigation taake yeh mawamla jo hai, wo apne mand ki injaam tak paunche. Toh aap iss
16:06se kam ke upar ki aap PTI raazi ho jayegi? Toh let me say at the very outset and say it
16:11very assertively, ke nahi. Iske alawa batalbaat aur bhi hain. Aur jo 2nd of January ko jo
16:16meeting hai, usme aapne khud suna hoga, hukumati waqt ki taraf se bhi yeh statement aayi hai
16:20ki hum, ek poora, ek apne batalbaat jo hai, wo in written form, hum speaker sahab ko jayenge.
16:26Aap isko time bound kar rahe hain in meetings ko, because government ko to suit karta hai.
16:32Ek toh mujhe bata de, ab wo call ka kya bana, jo remittances ke upar thi, ke log abhi paise
16:37na bheje, civil disobedience, wo abhi call on hai, off hai, suspended hai, kya hai?
16:44Wo call jo hai, wo kal, guzre kal, Sunday se wo effective ho chuki hui hai, to the extent
16:49of remittances. Wo call kal se effective ho chuki hui hai. Wo usko call kar, lekin uske
16:55jo baaki elements hain, unme abhi humne nahi dale. Aur wo abhi humne invoke nahi kiye,
17:01wo humne agitate nahi kiye. Toh wo ab aap apne supporters ko keh rahe hain,
17:05ki yeh negotiations jaise bhi chalti rahein, wo is maa se apne remittances kam kar de,
17:10rok de hain, kam kar de.
17:11Ek, kaha jaa chuka hua hai ji, kal se effective hai wo, guzre kal se, Sunday se.
17:15Acha, main naazneen se ek figure share kar doon, main figures dekha tha, naazneen kyun
17:19yeh important hai? November ke andar taqreeban 2915 million dollars reimbursed hua the Pakistan
17:25me. Aur agar kuch bhi na kare, inke supporters agar sirf 10 percent kam bheje, toh wo taqreeban
17:32291 million ban jayata hai ek mahine ka. 290.5 million dollars ban jayate hain. Aur agar
17:38aap usko 12 mahine me isi average ko nikaalein, toh taqreeban 3.5 arab dollar ka drop aayega.
17:44Ab yeh figures toh aaye me hain, aapke nazneek, kitna droppage hoga toh aap kehenge,
17:51ke hamare kehne pe logon ne drop kiya hai. 5 percent, 10 percent, 15 percent, what?
17:56Kuch toh aapne estimate kiya hoga hai.
17:59Yeh Malik sahab, percentages mein toh hamne workout nahi kiya, party ne abhi tak, toh
18:03dekhenge. Ab yeh ek mahina toh kamaskam aap guzarne the, toh uska baad dekhenge. Aur uske
18:07saath saath mera khayaa hai ki yeh negotiations hain, yeh jo baachi churu hui hai, iska zara
18:12utaar charaho bhi dekhen, is taraf yeh jaata hai. Yeh 2nd of January ki agli meeting ke
18:17baare mein meri zaati reservations bhi hain. Itna time nahi dena chahiye tha, 10 din ki
18:21koi zaroorat nahi thi. Mera khayaa hai ki yeh jo meetings hain, wo daily basis ke upar
18:26honi chahiye, 7 days a week hona chahiye. Bulb ke jo basayal hain, wo itne aasaam nahi
18:32hai. Aapne iske koi outer limit rakhi hai? Aapne koi outer limit rakhi hai ki haan yaar
18:36hum negotiations ko mauka denge, 15 din, 1 maa tak, aur uske baad phir theek hai. Koi
18:42cut off date hai? Yeh zaroor hai ki ji, isko jaldi se jaldi wrap up karna hai ji. Usme
18:47time limit hai ki ji, 15 din, yaar mahina, yaar 1.5 mahina, yaar 2 mahine ki baad nahi
18:51hui. Lekin party ke andar ek sense of urgency hai ki ji in maamlaat ko jitni jaldi ho sake
18:58niptane ki koshish karni hai. Kyunki jo saasi jaddu jahid hai, uske jo baaki faisalz hain,
19:04you know, wo bhi abhi maujood hai. Kyunki yeh bhi toh ho sakta hai na. Table ke upar
19:09baachit nahi, hal, masle hal nahi hote, toh phir un cheezon ko ek different platform
19:15ke upar le jaa ke you know, koshish karni hogi. Kyunki yeh bhi toh ho sakta hai na,
19:18ke government, let's, I'm just playing the devil's advocate, ke government aapko topi
19:21pehna rahi ho, ke duniya ko dikha de, dekhen jo aapke itrazaat hain, EU ko, yaar UK ko,
19:27yaar doosron ko, wo kehenge hamara case toh padha waa Supreme Court mein. Aur Supreme
19:32Court ka jo faisla aayega, agar Supreme Court sanctify kar deti hai, phir toh khud Ali Zafar
19:37keh rahe hain ke wo masla khatam ho jayega. Doosra, humari ek functioning democracy hai,
19:42jahan hum bhi negotiate kar rahi hain, opposition bhi baithi bhi hai, toh optics toh bade baithar
19:47ho jaate hain. Toh kahin aap inki optics mein toh nahi aare. Dekhiye, dekhiye. Functioning
19:52democracy ka jo ek projection tha usme toh bahut bada gaping kisam ka swaraakh ho chuka
19:57ho hai, wo duniya dekh rahi hai. Duniya ke aankhen bhi hain, duniya ke damaag bhi hain,
20:00duniya ke kaan bhi hain. Aur sara kuch jo pichle dedh saal mein, khaas ab 9th May ke baad aur usse
20:06largely, you know, dhai saal ke arse mein jo jo kuch hua hain, ayin ke saath, jo jmuriyat
20:11ke saath hua hain, jo kanun ke saath hua hain, jo insaniyat aur ikhlaqiyat ke saath hua hain,
20:15bhai wo aapne bhi dekha hai, maine bhi dekha hai, aur hum dekh rahi hain, ab bhi dekh rahi hain.
20:19Toh yeh duniya jo statements aayi hain, aur jo statements pehle aayi hain,
20:23har forum dekh liyejiye, har duniya ka democracies mein dekhiye, jo unki parliaments hain,
20:28aur United Nations tak, unhone critically iss saare cheez ko examine kiya hai,
20:32toh yeh cheez itni issani se dabnewali ab hai nahi hain.
20:34Acha ek cheez bataye mujhe, aap, ek taraf aap claim kar rahi hain, kya abhi, aur hum dekh
20:39bhi rahi hain, abhi Punjab police chhape bhi maar rahi hain, MNAS ko bhi utha rahi hain,
20:43ghar walon ko bhi tan kar rahi hain, toh sab kuch parallel chal raha hain.
20:476 ko, sabse shocking news hogi kar pata lagega, ki jee saza nahi hui, main khal mein sabse zyada
20:54shock Imran Khan khud honge, wo khud hiraan ho jayenge, so that's an impossibility also.
20:59Yeh cheeze bhi chal rahi hain, saza bhi aa rahi hain, 9th May ka,
21:03ek khana no. 2 khula waa hai, uske upar General Faiz Ameed P.B.K. ji unki investigations on hain,
21:08aur May 9th ki cheeze bhi aage aani hain, toh agar 6 tak, toh zyada kuch inn meetings mein nahi
21:14nikalna, 6 ke faisla ka negotiations mein kya aasar padega?
21:216 ka masal kaunsa faisla aage hain? Yeh 6 January ko jab yeh sunayenge,
21:24190 million pound case ka faisla. Dekhne ji, 6 ko abhi mujhe yeh bhi nahi pata
21:27ke faisla aana hai ke nahi aana, aur faisla kya aana hai, ek baat kahe sakta hu main zaroor
21:31ke is muzh mein mujhe ab koi cheeze hiraan nahi karti hai. Jab humne dissolve ki thi,
21:37jab humne National Assembly se resign kiya tha, toh humne yaqeen tha,
21:41ke ji 90 days mein election ho jayenge, nahi hua. Uske baat humne 2 governments apne dissolve ki,
21:46Punjab mein aur KP mein, humne yaqeen tha ke 90 days mein election ho jayenge, kuch nahi hua.
21:50Uske baat humne ayin ka maliyamate hota hua dekha, kanoon ka maliyamate hota hua dekha.
21:56Main surprises aap se, Rauf bhai main surprises isliya pooch raha hu,
22:01ke Ayaad Sadiq is a very decent man, jo speaker sahab hain. Lekin mujhe yaad hai,
22:07unhone ek committee banayi thi, jiska basic maqsad tha ke aapas mein taluka betar ho jaye,
22:11parliamentary committee, yaad aapko banayi thi, rules of business engagement pe, opposition aur
22:17sarkaar ki. Lekin uske andar se nikal aayi 26 amendment. It's sad, ab yeh toh nahi ho raha
22:24ke negotiation me se kuch aur nikal aayi. Woh bilkul sreehan dhoka dahi thi,
22:28woh jo committee jis maqsad ke liye banayi thi, woh uska ek sirf veneer tha, cover tha,
22:33actually unka maqasad kuch aur tha. Isliya toh lack of trust jo hai,
22:36woh pehle se kehi zyada hai, so muzaakraat pehle se kehi zyada difficult ho gayi.
22:40Toh aap poori koshish karni padegi dono sides ko, ke aap kisi kisam ka kuch salvage karein
22:45muzaakraat se. So maine kaha na ke shuru mein, na main poor umeed hu aur na hi main na umeed hu.
22:50Main chahunga ke muzaakraat ka najeeja nikle, uske liye dono sides ko bahut meinat karni pade.
22:55Lekin kyun, government aapko kyun kuch cheez degi? Unki toh isko paanchon ghee mein hai.
23:01Jaisa maine shuru mein kaha, supreme court unhone kaabu kar liya, election commission unke paas hai,
23:07establishment ke saath wo ek page pe hain, aap ke khansahab andar hain, party thittar-bittar hui
23:13bhi hai, log pacharein chhukte phir rahein hain, aadein taayib hain, aadein gaayib hain.
23:17Toh swaay ek hujjat tamam karne ke aapki umeed, kis base pe umeed hai?
23:23Nahi, nahi, nahi. Aap dekhe, dekhe, dekhe maalik sahab, unke paas aap kehte hain,
23:27ke sab kuch unke paas hain, unke paas kuch nahi hain. Koi legitimacy nahi hain,
23:32koi relevance nahi hain unki. Power toh hain na.
23:35Kuch nahi hain, power bhi nahi hain. Unke paas toh kuch nahi hain,
23:38unke paas hain, unke paas toh aur log hain. Unke paas kya hain? Kuch nahi hain.
23:43Aapke khayal mein, aur logon, aapke khayal mein, last question,
23:47aapke khayal mein, aur logon pe itna pressure aa gaya hain, ke wo aapse baat karne pe majboor hain?
23:53Main, main, main, yaqeen ke saath kahe sakta hu. Otherwise, yeh muzaqaraat,
23:57jaise ke maine pehle kaha tha, is program ke shuru mein kaha tha,
24:00ke haqoomat, jo hai, wo muzaqaraat kabhi na karti, na karna chahati hai.
24:05Aur yeh saara, yeh saara international pressure hain, jo, jisko serious liya jaa rahe hain?
24:10Dekhiye ji, domestic pressure bhi hain. Domestic pressure bhi hain.
24:14Institutions effect ho rahe hain, is mulk mein. Haqeeqat hain yeh, nahi hona chahiye yeh.
24:19International pressure constantly increase kar raha hain. Aur jis jeez ko main khud zaati
24:24taur pe upar zyada aamiyat nahi deta hu, wo hai, the changeover in the...
24:28Acha, last, last 10 seconds, last 10 seconds, last 10 seconds,
24:32in negotiations ko aap kitne percent possibility dekhte hain success ki,
24:37one to hundred, kitne percent?
24:39Main toh chahoon, main toh chahata hoon ke yeh negotiations kaamyab hoon,
24:42mulkiya misail ka haal nikte hain.
24:44Lekin, lekin, give me a figure.
24:48Main, let me, because of the pressure, you know, on Pakistan at this moment in time,
24:53internal and external pressure, toh main isko kamaskam 50% possibility doonga kaamyab hi ki.
24:5850-50, Raufassan sahab, thank you very much for your time. Break lete hain,
25:01aapka sarkaar ka bhi ispe viewpoint lete hain na, ki wo, wo kahan khade mein,
25:06aur yeh agar sirf itmam-e-hujjat se zyada bhi kuch hai, ya nahi, break ke baad.
25:17Ji, welcome back to the show. Programme ke pehle ise main aap PTI ke rehnuma Raufassan
25:21sahab ki baatein sun rahe the, ab humein Mia Javed Ali sahab mein join kiya hain,
25:24outspoken leader hain, PMLN ke. Mia sahib yeh kya hain aap log, mujhe toh lagta hain,
25:29bilkul drama hi ho raha saara kuch. Yeh main aapka government delegation dekh raha tha,
25:34yeh mujhaqrati committee hain. Yeh committee hoti hain, do do, chaar chaar bande,
25:38aapne poora jalsa, aur aise log jinko aapne 26th amendment mein nahi poochha,
25:43budget mein nahi poochha, judicial cheezon mein nahi poochha,
25:46Aleem Khan sahab bhi aap iske andar aa gaye hain, Saleh Hussain sahab bhi hain,
25:49Maghzi sahab bhi hain, aaj Ijaz ul Haq bhi shamil ho gaye hain. Yeh teh janj lag diye hain,
25:54jeh punjabiye kehnde na, poori janj aa rahi hain sab kuch. Lag raha hain,
25:57aap log serious nahi hain, aise hi bas aap log kar rahe hain.
26:03Shukriya Mohammad Malik sahab, magar main is janj ka jawab dene se pehle yeh zaroor arz karna
26:10chahata hoon ke dekhen, mazaaqraat hona achi baat hain, kisi bhi waqt, hukummat-e-waqt ho,
26:18koi waqt ki opposition ho, usme dialogue hone chahiyein, yeh hi jumuriyat ka usan hota hain,
26:24isse rahein nikalti hain, isse hi maamla taya hota hain, magar usse pehle koi banyadi asool
26:33hota hain, jisse sanjeeda liya jaata hain, ke yeh mazaaqraat jo hain, yeh waqiatan kisi
26:41nukte pe paunchne ke liye, kisi nitijiye pe paunchne ke liye hain, yaa bas shakal lo hao aur agge
26:49niklo. Bhai baat yeh hain, ke jab Muslim League Noon ne aur People's Party ne, us waqt ki do badi
26:56jamaaton ne, jo ek doosre ki dushman ban gayi thi, unhone jab misaak-e-jumuriyat kiya tha,
27:02toh sabse pehle Mohammad Malik sahab iss baat ka ikraar kiya tha, ke hum dono ghalat the,
27:09hum dono kisi ke liye istamaal huye, humare kande istamaal huye, hum uspe maafi maagte hain
27:15qaum se, ikraar kiya iss baat ka, aur ainda ka yeh ahad kiya, ke hum kisi ke, apne kande kisi ke
27:24liye paish nahi karenge. Ab baat yeh hain, ke yeh mazaakrati team jo hain, pehle toh mujhe yeh
27:31bataya jaye, ke kitni baat iktaar hain, yeh siyasi committee aur doosri committee parallel
27:37ek aur bhi chal rahi hain Imran Khan ki qyaadat mein, wo hai Ascribing, jisko Ali Ameen Gandapur
27:43yaa baaki digar log jo hain, unko lead kar rahe hain, aur ek yeh mazaakrati committee hain.
27:48Ab mujhe ek aur cheez batayi jaye, ke yeh mazaakrati committee jo aayi hain,
27:54kya isne itraaf kar liya hain, ke jin se hum mazaakrat kar rahe hain, yeh corrupt,
28:00chor, daakoo nahi hain, yeh farishte hain, ya farm 47 ki pehdawaar nahi hain, yeh ikraar karein pehle,
28:07aur uske baad hukumte waqt ko bhi chahiye. Rauf sahab ne kahe na, abhi aapne Rauf sahab ko
28:12suna hain, Rauf sahab ko aapne suna, unka jee hum toh indirectly establishment se mazaakrat
28:17kar rahe hain. Ab aa jayein, jo wo Rauf Hassan sahab agar kahte hain, ke hum establishment se
28:25mazaakrat kar rahe hain, toh phir Mohammad Malik sahab, qaum ko bewkuf kab tak banaya jayega?
28:32Bhai mujhe yeh batayein, ke aayin kanoon ki baala dasti ke liye, bakaul Imran Khan ke,
28:38wo jumuriyat ke liye, Pakistan ke liye, wo jo kar rahe the, aur bakaul unke,
28:45ke establishment ke khalaaf hi main lad raha tha, ya lad raha hun, toh phir bhai aaj mazaakrat
28:51unse kyun kar rahe hain? Phir aap yeh batayein, ke agar aap guddi guddi hogayi, agar aap ek
28:58dunay se set hogay, toh phir yeh ishrafiyah ke ladayi thi, aur bhugat rahi thi, 90% riyasat
29:04yaa qaum bhugat rahi thi? Kin ko bewkuf bana rahe hain? Aap ke paas hai kya dene ke liye,
29:09Mian sahib, kya de sakte hain PTI ko aap?
29:40Aadhaar-e-Azaad honi chahiye, aur hum aadhaaron ke logon se bhi sunte hain,
29:45ke har cheez aazaad hai, toh phir toh mujhe yeh bataya jaye, ke 190 million pound ka jo
29:52faisla aaj hona tha, wo mazaakrat ki shakal mein agar aage gaya hai, agar aage gaya hai,
29:58toh phir iska matlab yeh hua, ke humare aadhaar-e-azaad nahi hain, phir baat yeh hui,
30:04ke aap mujhe yeh bataa de koi, ke 25 log jo sazaa jinko mili workers ko,
30:12wo sazaa aam banday the, aam worker the, isliye unko mil gayi, aur jo khaas log hain,
30:19usi case mein malawas hain, mastermind hain, mansuba saaz hain, magar bade log hain,
30:25unke yeh mazaakrat unhe shuru ho gaye hain, toh phir mujhe koi yaar yeh bataa de,
30:30ke kaun-kaun, kis-kis se dhokha kar raha hai, aur kis liye kar raha hai, aur yeh baar-baar dhokha
30:35diya jaa raha hai. Dikhe mujhe ek cheez bataye na, mujhe main sabhi yeh jaan na chah rahe hoon,
30:39ke aapke nazdeek aap log kya de sakte hain, wo commission maangte hain, aap log nahi maangte
30:44judicial commission, wo kahte hain senior tereen judges ka, senior tereen judges mein toh jo
30:49do teen senior tereen judges hain, wo toh aap logon ko bardaashti nahi hain, aap ne na supreme
30:53court ka chief justice banne diya, na unko judicial commission mein baithne diya,
30:57aap ne toh unko bhi, wo judges committee mein bhi bade masle dal gaye. So, wo bhi aapne nahi maanna,
31:03wo kahte hain 9th May ki aur iski aap kar wale hain, uspe aap nahi maante hain. Wo kahte hain
31:09election ki baat karein agle ki, uspe aap log nahi maante hain. Dene wali cheez hai kya? Aap
31:15kya offer kar sakte hain? Wo unka jo maang rahe hain, wo toh humein pata hai. Main isliye pooch
31:19raha hoon, kyunki 9th May fauj ki red line hain. Fauj aapki lifeline hain. Toh red line aap nahi
31:28chher sakte hain because aapki lifeline khatam ho jati hain. Toh phir, aapki side kya kehegi
31:34unko? Kya dene ke liye baithe hain aap? Yaar, Mohammad Malik sahab, bakoor Rauf Hassan sahab
31:41ke, ke mazaaqraat humare hukumte baqt se nahi ho rahe hain, establishment se ho rahe hain.
31:47Agar aap uski baat Rauf Hassan sahab ki maan leyin, toh aap keh rahe hain ke 9th, 10th May
31:52red line hain, establishment ki. Toh phir mujhe yeh batayein yaar aap hi, ke unke koi mataalbaat
32:01nahi hain. Jo mazaaqraati committee PTI ki baithegi, koi ikhtyaar nahi hain unke paas uswaqt tak,
32:07ek hi unka point hain, ek hi demand hain, ek hi zaroorat hain, Imran Khan ko baayar nikaalein.
32:15Bhai, aap agar Imran Khan ko baayar nikaalte hain, ya nikaalna hain, ya demand poori karni
32:20hain, ya is committee committee ne koi nateeja nikaalna hain, toh phir aap ko jo hukumte baqt
32:28hain usko jail mein daal deyin aur Imran Khan ko hukumat mein bitha deyin. Toh aap ko phir yeh
32:33mazaaqraat, phir agar mai pichu. Aur yeh kaun karega? Toh phir mujhe batayein, aap ke khayal
32:37mein, aap ki zaati rahi mein, Rauf Hassan ne toh kaha hain 50-50. Aap ke khayal mein,
32:42in mazaaqraat ki kamyabi ka kitne feesat imkaan hain, ground reality saamne dekhte hui?
32:48Koi 50-50 nahi hain, ya 100% hain, right ya 100% hain left. Uski wajah,
32:57main bada clear hun Mohammad Malik sahab, ke aalmi quwwaton ka dabao hain. Main bada clear
33:05hun ke aalmi quwwatein apni zaroorat ke taht, apne maqasat ke liye support duniya mein jo aalmi
33:14establishment hain, unka logon se raapta karna ya logon ke liye khade hona, riyasat kisi ke liye
33:23khade hona ya kisi shaksiyat ke liye khade hona, kisi jamaat ke liye khade hona, apne mafaad ke
33:29bagayar nahi hota. Ab baat yeh hai, jo shaks adiala jail mein hai, wo kya de sakta hai unko,
33:36aur unki demand kya hai? Baat toh yeh hai, humari aur aapki demand hi koi nahi hain bhai. Humari toh
33:43demand hain agar, toh wo aayin kanoon ke matabak hain, agar aayini adhaare kaam kar rahe hain aur
33:48Pakistan ke andar koi aayin kanoon naam ki koi cheez hain, toh 190 million pound ka aaj agar
33:55faisla hona tha, toh isko agar, agar isko kisi wajah se aage leke jaya gaya hai, jo
34:01Rauf Hassan ya baaki log keh rahe hain, toh phir bada taajib hai aur phir mujhe badi maayushi hai.
34:06Toh phir kya? Aap yeh keh rahe hain, ki aap ke Wazir-e-Azam, aap yeh keh rahe hain,
34:10ki aap ke Wazir-e-Azam pressure ke andar, crack kar gaye hain, pressure ke neeche,
34:15aur majboor ho gaye hain yeh muzaaqeraat karne ke, agar cheh wo samajhte hain ki muzaaqeraat
34:18nahin hona chahiye, aur Imran Khan mulke liye theek nahin hain, sab kuch hai, toh wo sirf
34:24apne liye wo crack kar gaye hain, apni government bachane ke liye, aur muzaaqeraat pe baith gaye hain.
34:29Nahi Mohammad Malik sahib, nahi, nahi Mohammad Malik sahib, yeh badi maazurat se aap ziyaati
34:35kar rahe hain. Sir, sawaal hai. Aap koi bhi ilm hai, bhai agar aapka sawaal hai,
34:41toh main aapke is sawaal ka pehle bhi do chaar tafa, shayad aapka hi program mein jawab de chuka
34:46hu, ke agar 2018 ke election ko nikaal deyen, 2024 ke election ko nikaal deyen, toh aap aajate
34:54hain 2013 ke election, ya 1993 ka election, ya 1997, ya 90 ka election, jo meri hosh mein
35:04ek political jamaat ne election jeete, aur jo awaam ne board diye, unko kam matnaaza kaha jata
35:12hai, zyada matnaaza nahi kaha jata. Main isliye yeh baat quote kar raho. Wo jamaatein jo hoti
35:19hain, ya unki leadership jo hoti hain, wo aalmi quwwaton se takraane ki himmat rakhti hain apne
35:25riyasat ke mafaadaat ke liye. Ab aajayen, yeh jo hukummat hain, yeh aap khud keh rahe hain,
35:32ke aapki lifeline hain, flaan cheez, ya flaan adhara, toh fir mujhe yeh batayein,
35:39ke yeh threat fir unko aur baqaul Rauf Hassan ke, ke wo keh rahe hain ke humare toh mazaaqraat
35:45jo hain, wo establishment se ho rahe hain, yeh toh barai naam hain, hukummat khadi hain,
35:50toh fir agar dabao aayega, aalmi quwwaton ka, toh jo fir asal taqat baqaul Rauf Hassan ke hogi,
35:56uspe aayega, ya jo dummy baqaul aap ke, ya baqaul Rauf Hassan sahab ke, ke wo khade hain,
36:03unpe aayega. Ek haqeeqat fir puri bolni chahiye, sach bolna chahiye. Yeh kya wahqam hain,
36:09apni marzi ki haqeeqat beyaan kar raha hoon, aur 90% portion jo hain, wo jhoop pe.
36:14Abhi mujhe, Niaz sahab, ek break leni hain, lekin break se pehle ek mera sawaal hain.
36:19Jaise aapne kaah ke sawaal utha hai, ke kya yeh jo mazaaqraati committee bani hain,
36:24yeh kitni baakhtiyar hain. Asal ikhtiyat imran khan ke paas hain. Mera sawaal aapse hain,
36:30aapki jo hukummat negotiating committee bana ke baithi bhi hain, kya hukummat aur yeh committee
36:36mukammal baakhtiyar hain, ke jo chahe wo faisle le le, PTI ke saath baith ke.
36:44Dekhein, Mohammad Malik sahab, na hukummat-e-waqt ki banayi committee 9, 10 May ke hawale se ya
36:54190 million pound ke hawale se baakhtiyar hain, jo wo chahate hain. Aur na hi jo PTI ki committee
37:01bani hui hain, wo baakhtiyar hain, kyunki imran khan ko chadwane ki wo position mein nahi hain,
37:07toh imran khan kisi inke ki huye faisle ko banega nahin.
37:11Toh yehni ke aap keh rahe hain, jo critical maamlaat hain, us maamla mein hukummat baikhtiyar
37:16hain, aur nahi apni marzi ki baat aage badha sakti, toh phir toh yeh non-starter huye negotiations,
37:24phir toh yeh lagta hai ki yeh toh non-starter hain.
37:28Nahi dekhen Mohammad Malik sahab, aap bhi mashaAllah bade senior aur bade adwar se aap guzar ke aaye hain,
37:37mujhe aap yeh bata deyen, ke 190 million pound ka faisla hukummat-e-waqt ki committee kar sakti hain,
37:459, 10 May ke mastermind ko munsooba saazon ko hukummat-e-waqt ki committee jo hai, wo chod sakti hain,
37:54aur phir agar dono cheezein nahin kar sakti, toh PTI ki jo banayi huye committee hain, Imran Khan ki,
38:03Imran Khan kis tarah usko baikhtiyar kar dega, ya faisla unka koi maan lega, apne bagahar.
38:08Usne toh do hukumting wali thi.
38:10Mujhe break ka kaha jaa rahe hain, toh break ke baad aa ke maine do aap se bade sensitive sawaal poochne hain,
38:15wo break ke baad, naazim hain humare saath haiyega.
38:17Welcome back to the show.
38:24Mian sir, break se pehle aapne badi interesting baat ki hai, aapne kaha hai yaar, jaan tak yeh May 9th ki issue hai,
38:30jaan tak yeh 190 million pound hai, government baaikhtiyar nahin hain maamlaat mein intervene karne ke,
38:35judicial commission banane ka bhi ikhtiyar nahin isko diya gaya,
38:39ki achha yaar tum judicial commission hi banne do, bana do, taake kuch baat toh aage chale,
38:45ki uss maamle mein bhi be ikhtiyar hai government.
38:49Nahin, judicial commission Mohammad Malik sahab aapko yaad hoga,
38:54ki Pakistan ki 77 saala taarikh mein kisi hukumat ne apni marzi se nahin banaya,
39:00magar 2013 mein Nawaz Shahin mein wo bhi banaya, inhi ki demand pe,
39:05kya uska faisla inhone maana tha, aur phir kya 2018 mein hum demand nahin karte rahe,
39:13aur kya inhone poori ki thi, phir aaj agar 2024 ke intihabaat pe, koi usko…
39:21Nahin, yeh koi zidbaazi hai, yeh koi zidbaazi hai,
39:25ke tu nahin keeta toh main bhi nahin karna, koi zidbaazi toh nahin,
39:27agar national interest mein hain, agar sach saamne aata toh bana de.
39:31Nahin, zidbaazi nahin.
39:34Main, main, badi achhi baat hai, aap jo baat kar rahe hain,
39:38toh phir sach ya diyanatdari sirf Mohammad Malik ke liye hai,
39:43Javed Latif ke liye kyu nahi hai, dono kar lete hain, aap bhi matasar hain, main bhi matasar hoon,
39:492018 ka bhi bana lete hain, 2024 ka bhi bana lete hain,
39:53bhale 2018 ka banane mein humein koi faida nahin milega ab,
39:58magar logon ko toh clarity ho, logon ko toh pata chale,
40:01ke kab kab kisne kya kya kuchh kiya hain.
40:03Aap kehate hain, mera bhi khayal ke PTA itraaz karegi,
40:06agar aap yeh shart rakhe hain, ke theek hai,
40:08hum in do magam lab toh judicial commission banate hain,
40:11phir usme bhi banenge, mera toh nahin khayal ke wo itraaz karenge, wo dekhe bana le.
40:16Nahin, nahin, aap ka, khuda karein, aap ke khayal ke matabak ki woh khayal laayen,
40:21kardein bhai,
40:222018 pe bhi bana de, 2024 pe bhi bana de,
40:26aur ek meri guzaarish aur hai,
40:28ke aap ne Justice Saqib Nisar aur Justice Bandyal sahab,
40:33Justice Khosa sahab,
40:35wo sari regime jo thi,
40:37uske kiye huye faisle jo humare matallak the,
40:40ya Imran Khan ke matallak the,
40:42usko bhi review karni hain, usko bhi nazar saani zaroor ki jaye.
40:46Aakhari minute mere paas rahe gaya hai,
40:48ek sawal important poochta hain,
40:50aap ke khayal me,
40:52wo kehte hain na,
40:53handi poori khaane ki jyoti hoti hai,
40:55ek chamach nikal ke aapko zayke ka pata lag jata hai,
40:57kitne meetings hongi,
40:59yeh dono sides ki,
41:01ke clear ho jayega,
41:02ke baat khatam hogi,
41:03ya kehin aage pohnchegi kahin,
41:05aap ke khayal me,
41:05kitni nishiston mein pata lag jayega?
41:09Dekhin, jo haqoomte waqt hai,
41:13meri bzati raaye hai,
41:15ke wo toh yakinan chahegi,
41:17ke netija khiz ho,
41:18bhale isko 6 maa lag jayen,
41:21magar,
41:22jo PTI ki jo committee bani hui hai,
41:26wo usko ikhtiyar yeh nahi hoga,
41:28ek do,
41:29teen committee meeting se aage jaane ke liye,
41:32wo peechhe se,
41:33jisne banai hui committee hogi,
41:35wo khatam kar dega,
41:36kyunki usko jaldi bahut hai,
41:37bahar aane ke liye.
41:39Basically aap keh rahe hai,
41:40government,
41:41maani khe hai,
41:42iska lafza aapne achha use kiya hai,
41:43government khenchne ki koshish karegi,
41:46jitni teh marzi,
41:47lassi tusi pherde raho.
41:51Dekhin,
41:52haqoomat ka,
41:53koi bhi haqoomat ho,
41:54wo Imran Khan ki thi,
41:56toh uska bhi maqsad yeh hi hota tha,
41:58ke opposition ko engage karein,
42:00humein bhi unhone kaha tha,
42:02ke yaar,
42:03ispe committee bana lehte hain,
42:052018 ke intikhabaat pe,
42:07toh israf committee ka zikar kiya tha unhone,
42:10ek bhi ijlaas nahi hua tha.
42:11Chalo,
42:12committee,
42:12aapka khayal hain bas,
42:13committee,
42:13committee bhi,
42:14aapka khayal hain ke,
42:15committee,
42:15committee bhi zyada asa nahi kheda jayega.
42:17Mian sahab,
42:18Mian sahab,
42:18bahot shukri aapka.
42:20Nazir nazar hi aa rahe hain,
42:21kaun kisko kya de sakta hain,
42:23PTI,
42:24sarkon pe sukoon de sakti hain,
42:26government kya de sakti hain,
42:27mujhe toh samajh nahi aayega kya de sakti hain,
42:29because woh jo bhi concession deyenge,
42:31ultimately unke liye consequences bahot zyada hain.
42:33Ijazat dijiye,
42:34Allah hafiz.