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A 161 dĂas de la sustracciĂłn de Loan Danilo Peña, hablamos con JosĂ© y MarĂa Paña, padres del menor y su abogado.
"La participaciĂłn de PĂ©rez fue esencial"
"LOS CUATRO SABEN QUE PASĂ CON LOAN"
"'El Americano' se movĂa sin patente"
"Hubo una orden de no tocar a PĂ©rez y Caillava"
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A 161 dĂas de la sustracciĂłn de Loan Danilo Peña, hablamos con JosĂ© y MarĂa Paña, padres del menor y su abogado.
"La participaciĂłn de PĂ©rez fue esencial"
"LOS CUATRO SABEN QUE PASĂ CON LOAN"
"'El Americano' se movĂa sin patente"
"Hubo una orden de no tocar a PĂ©rez y Caillava"
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00:00You have to say who or what he said, but in all this time since Lohan disappeared,
00:05was there someone who confessed something in silence?
00:11Well, the great confession was almost inexplicable, it was the truth that gave many details,
00:16but recently Miyapi and RamĂrez I think they have given us a very great help
00:21to finish discovering the plot of the kidnapping,
00:25because they have committed self-incrimination in the haste to disincriminate themselves.
00:30So they have given details, I mean, I insist GermĂĄn, you are a skilled judicial investigator as a journalist,
00:37I mean, there is no way, I say, there was no sign of anguish since the day they were invited,
00:42since they started eating, since they went to the park.
00:44Why do you point only with Miyapi and RamĂrez?
00:45No, Miyapi, no, no, they are the kidnapping core.
00:49But they don't know where Lohan is.
00:50That's where it all begins.
00:52Of course, Miyapi, RamĂrez, BenĂtez and Laudelina are, with Laudelina organizing, they are...
00:56Now, who knows and who does not know where Lohan is?
00:58The four of them, those four know what they did with Lohan.
01:03And what is the goal? What do you intuit or infer that was the final goal?
01:07Well, quickly, this gets dirty, right? It appears to see, Tello appears,
01:11Tello appears, spokespersons appear, that is, they quickly surround these people.
01:16And they keep appearing.
01:16So that's why I agree with you, Guille, that there are people who have obviously had a political interest.
01:22No, no, no, but I mean this.
01:23What was the objective of kidnapping Lohan? What did they do with Lohan?
01:28Well, you have to look a lot at PĂ©rez Icaylava at this time. I don't forget, because sometimes it seems...
01:32That's why I was telling you, you point with Miyapi and RamĂrez, but PĂ©rez Icaylava,
01:37now a new audio appears from Laudelina that talks again about the role of PĂ©rez Icaylava and with Commissioner RodrĂguez.
01:44Now, how does PĂ©rez Icaylava get there? Because the orological tests and other tests that Lohan had in PĂ©rez Icaylava's cars are proven.
01:54I'll tell you two things. First, we have a certainty of the essential participation of PĂ©rez.
02:00We have a test that is going to be known at this time, which is not going to go very well, the PĂ©rez test.
02:05It's going to be similar to some people I've put in jail for other reasons, right?
02:11Well, let's go a little further.
02:15A little more, so we all understand.
02:17Well, this man who already had some suspicions about some material he had, about some stickers he had on his phone and so on, could have a personal profile...
02:27Are you talking about the issue with minors?
02:29Yes.
02:30Indeed, compatible with...
02:31Has it always been said that there were butterfly stickers, that this was related to the world of pedophilia?
02:43These pedophile profiles have this thing of leaving those signals, right?
02:48Because it has to do with this, apart from, they're not going to catch me.
02:51We all saw the impunity with which they were handled.
02:54In a city that was practically blocked, that you couldn't move, I don't know, without your documents or anything, PĂ©rez and Cailava entered and left the province without anything.
03:03The American was driving a truck without a license and without anyone stopping him.
03:07There were people who were VIPs.
03:09Let's see, PĂ©rez and Cailava...
03:11The judge yesterday, look, a few days ago, Ale Pueblas said, there is a part of the house of...
03:16He said it talking to me.
03:18There is a part of the house of PĂ©rez and Cailava that has never been reviewed.
03:22I give you this data.
03:24He says, look at this video.
03:26That's why there is a very attentive judge.
03:28I told Pueblas.
03:30I didn't ask for it.
03:32The judge listened and asked for a review.
03:35Here is Perito Massé, who is an eminence in search of people.
03:41When the famous raftings were done, with hundreds of people,
03:46with Patricia Bullrich included,
03:48there was an order, which is not known where it came from,
03:51which could be on the side of Massiel, that PĂ©rez and Cailava could not be touched.
03:54That is, the lagoon of PĂ©rez and Cailava was never touched.
03:56The field of PĂ©rez and Cailava was never touched.
03:58The cars are not finished, the cars of PĂ©rez and Cailava.
04:02That's why we're going to have news.
04:04A lot of time has passed.
04:05Now, but how can a policeman be above the order of justice?
04:09Well, that's a discussion that Massiel has today,
04:12and he is having it within the cause,
04:14Massiel against Castillo, prime minister and prosecutor.
04:18One says he was in charge of the other, and the other says he was in charge of the other.
04:21But Massiel has undoubtedly been close to the facts.
04:25We have also asked him to declare the priest of the parish,
04:30who today appears missing, who never declared,
04:33who had a very close relationship with Massiel,
04:35that Massiel came to live in the parish with or without the priest.
04:39So here are situations that are coming together.
04:43That's why I say here that Paul, the organizer of the team,
04:49is the Audelina.
04:52The Audelina with Benitez brings RamĂrez and Millapi.
04:56Did you see that sometimes there was a discussion about whether there was a deal or not?
04:59I say, well, let's go by what we have tried.
05:01The capture, Millapi, the kidnapping, Millapi and RamĂrez.
05:06Well, if this derives, if this derives from a situation that we suspect of Perez,
05:13well, maybe we are facing a situation that we will see if it completes the segment
05:18of a circuit of a total crime, but we all have it very rounded.
05:23MarĂa, I have a lot of papers and I like to reread a little,
05:28and going back to the situation of the day in Naranjal, I went back to Loan.
05:33You had given him a shelter for the return, he was going to return with his father.
05:38With whom was he going to return that day?
05:40He went to leave the horse in the field.
05:45And I told him to take a bus because he was going to look for José Hijo on the motorcycle.
05:51He was going to return on the motorcycle?
05:52He was going to return on the motorcycle.
05:53Because now on the motorcycle it is going to be cold.
05:55I gave him a bus, I gave him a little bus and that one arrived.
05:59José, who was not there.
06:02José Hijo, no.
06:03He was not at lunch. He was going to look for him later.
06:05It was in the afternoon, he was going to look for him.
06:07In the afternoon.
06:08Yes.
06:09And that was already, let's say, pre-agreed between you.
06:12No, I already told him, I already told him that José was going to come to look for him.
06:16That was before you took him to Loan.
06:19Yes, in the morning when they were about to leave to go to the field.
06:22Of course, and that was truncated there, then José arrived.
06:25Yes, yes.
06:26And we all stayed there.
06:28And there the search began.
06:29Of course.
06:30Yes, that's how it was.
06:31Of course, because there was the doubt as to how the return to Loan had been planned.
06:37If you had agreed to return on the horse, because the horse did not let you.
06:43No, I was going to leave the horse because there in the village you can not have much.
06:48And then they left him in the field and he came to look for me on the motorcycle.
06:52But it was like that.
06:54Then José told me, son, now when, after my work, I'm going to look for dad and Loan.
07:00Well, I tell him and there I told him.
07:03MarĂa, Loan has meant, means an emptiness for all of us, right?
07:08What happens at Loan's school, his friends?
07:10Are you connected to the mothers of the other boys, of his friends?
07:14I don't, no, no, I don't.
07:18No, and according to the teacher, she tells me that yes, they are very ...
07:22They talk about Loan?
07:23Yes, they talk about Loan and there is a chair there that belongs to Loan.
07:27No one occupies Loan's chair?
07:29No one occupies it.
07:30The classmates say that he continues to wait for Loan.
07:36Also, as they leave me, he tells the teacher,
07:43we are going to show Loan when Loan returns.
07:47When is Loan's birthday?
07:49On May 8th.
07:51On May 8th.
07:52Yes.
07:53Of Loan's last birthday, how many of these people were there?
07:58Of those who were in that photo eating.
08:00No, no, nothing to do with it.
08:02Nothing, none?
08:03No, no, no.
08:04Nobody was there.
08:05It was his circle, nothing.
08:07Loan went that day with his dad and didn't even have a memory of his grandmother.
08:13He met all the people he didn't know.
08:16A macabre circle.
08:17Did you see Lauderina often or not?
08:19No, no, no.
08:20Very little, very little.
08:22Not even his grandmother.
08:23No, no, no.
08:24Me neither.
08:25Of course, I say because with the older ones that he left,
08:27they represented the authority for him.
08:29Of course.
08:30And he had to obey them.
08:32Yes, the child had no attachment to all those people.
08:34No, no, no.
08:35He had no attachment, but by not leaving,
08:38he was left with the image that these older people...
08:40He was the one who took care of him.
08:42He was the one who took care of him.
08:43Exactly.
08:44He was the one who took care of him.
08:46Which adds legal responsibility to us.
08:48They didn't just capture him, they kidnapped him,
08:50but they were under his care.
08:52They had amnesia for the three seconds he disappeared.
08:55Juan Pablo, let's reinforce an information that many people
08:57must be asking themselves right now.
08:59In this instance of things, where there is no round confession.
09:03Yes.
09:04How much pain does it fit all the detainees?
09:07Mine...
09:08Because you saw that we live in a country where people say
09:10the law is not fulfilled, there is no law, there is no confession,
09:13nothing happens.
09:14Well, yesterday I heard one of the defendants' lawyers
09:16say that everyone here is going to be prosecuted.
09:19The crime, the figure of Article 146 is...
09:22I mean, it's manual.
09:23That's for sure.
09:24Millapa and RamĂrez are there, but up to their hands.
09:27BenĂtez and Laudelina and the four of them acting
09:30organizedly in the context of a possible illicit association.
09:33I mean, the minimum that these people have
09:35is 15 years ahead.
09:37That's why I say, Macarena, don't make up
09:40that you helped your mom hiding Aloan.
09:44Tell the truth, Macarena.
09:46Because your mom is on her way to perpetuity.
09:49Erase Vera's advice, Macarena.
09:52Return Aloan.
09:53Return Aloan, because you're going to help your mom.
09:56Don't attribute it to the shoe you didn't wear.
10:00And don't get lawyers.
10:02Don't get an Alameda behind you.
10:05Macarena, return Aloan.
10:07Macarena is Laudelina's daughter
10:10who blames herself for situations that her mother did.
10:16Sure.
10:17Look at the question they asked before.
10:19They had found a name, a Mariano Peña,
10:21which has nothing to do with Mariano,
10:23a very noble boy I know,
10:25brother of Aloan.
10:27They had found a Mariano Peña linked...
10:30They wanted Laudelina to be declared
10:33to lie for the seventeenth time
10:37and incriminate a Mariano Peña
10:39who was not the Mariano Peña of this family.
10:42But all those who are inciting Laudelina to declare
10:44are free and are not even part of the cause.
10:47And now the lawyer, Kodacy, represents Cositor.
10:51He continues with media shows.
10:53What happens, doctor, with those people?
10:55Bring them to me.
10:56You know what happens?
10:57But they ask you to be part of this cause.
10:59I'm a believer, of course.
11:00But there you have a separate cause.
11:02When I came in, they said,
11:04nobody touches politics here.
11:06I looked at them and said,
11:08I like this guy, bring him to me.
11:10Yes, he was part of the government.
11:11I was the first one to bring a politician.
11:13Yes.
11:14So that I can bring these people,
11:18we'll see how useful they are.
11:19Because I think the axis,
11:21the organizer is Laudelina.
11:23No, no, no.
11:24Because Laudelina is taken to Goya
11:26and they tell her what to declare.
11:27Laudelina is a person who...
11:29Let's see, she's not a thinking head,
11:31she's not a light.
11:33She's not the brain.
11:34She's not the brain.
11:35Laudelina may have committed, let's say,
11:38false testimony.
11:39Or turn it in.
11:40Turn it in to the child.
11:41But in itself,
11:42she is the one who coordinates the strategies.
11:44She's the one who coordinates every movement,
11:46from the table to the kidnapping,
11:48to the arrest,
11:49to these things she does.
11:50Because, I mean,
11:51we saw her eating french fries
11:52in an IPF with audacity, Laudelina.
11:54That's why.
11:55So she wasn't kidnapped,
11:56she wasn't gagged in a trunk,
11:58apparently with money.
11:59No, but let's see,
12:01they offer her holidays,
12:03they offer her money.
12:04So Laudelina,
12:05Laudelina has the dignity
12:07to confess,
12:08to tell,
12:09and to allow me to have audacity.
12:11Here Laudelina says this,
12:12sorry,
12:13Mendes filmed it,
12:14I wanted to ask him what role he's playing.
12:16Is Mendes still representing his family?
12:18Yes, he's working on the team.
12:19Well, they say,
12:20Laudelina, the mythomaniac,
12:21presented writings to the magistrate
12:23that remain in the nothingness,
12:25in itself neither, right?
12:26I agree with the mythomaniac, yes.
12:28She's a mythomaniac, Laudelina.
12:30Mythomaniac,
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