Loan Danilo Peña de cinco años fue sustraído de un paraje en 9 de Julio, Corrientes el 13 de junio del corriente año. Hasta ahora nada se sabe de él y se tejieron muchas hipótesis. Entrevista con Marcelo Hanson, abogado de Daniel Ramírez y Mónica Millapi dos de los detenidos en la causa.
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00:00We adopted Soledad as part of this family since five months ago.
00:05Five months.
00:06We are behind each of the information.
00:09And today the novelty is that, well, we said it on Friday, it was leaked,
00:13he declared Kodacy, in the end he does not declare.
00:17At least today, why?
00:19Because the federal prosecutor of Guzmán did not make the relevant citation.
00:26It is not necessary to declare Kodacy if the commissioner, General Rodríguez...
00:33Yes, he has more problems.
00:35The general of the complex crime division of the Correntina police.
00:40But this man, Kodacy, what?
00:42What time is it? 14.28?
00:44Yes.
00:45Until 4.00 p.m., come on?
00:46Yes, I think.
00:48Be careful, because there is a strong possibility that Kodacy comes out alive.
00:53So, if you do not declare justice, because justice considers that it is not pertinent,
00:59if you are going to declare in this program, with the reservation of the case,
01:03we are not going to consider justice, not much less.
01:07Oh, you made me happy in the afternoon.
01:09Do you want to talk to Kodacy?
01:10No.
01:11No?
01:12No.
01:13I do.
01:14Well, he does.
01:15Ah, because it's politics?
01:16Eh, look, the truth is that I want to be brought to Loban, guys.
01:19From here until the day I leave, I will say, I want to be brought to Loban.
01:22I do not want someone to bring me weird characters.
01:24I want Loban. Resolutions.
01:26Ask him, camera.
01:27Resolutions.
01:28Ask him.
01:29I need...
01:30Who?
01:31Who?
01:32You know.
01:33No, I'll talk to him later.
01:34Now I don't want to.
01:35Tell him you want to go to Loban.
01:37He knows he's looking at you.
01:38Who?
01:41You know, we're not going to anticipate it.
01:43Let's see, guys.
01:44Formation of another.
01:45Guys, this is very good and I understand everything.
01:50This weekend, 1,500 information, 1,500 information.
01:56From...
01:57Listen to what I'm going to tell you.
02:00Loban is in the province of Buenos Aires.
02:03Loban is alive.
02:04Loban is in Paraguay.
02:05Loban has the KGB.
02:07Loban has...
02:09Don't fuck with me anymore.
02:11If you know Loban is there, bring him.
02:12Yes.
02:13And enough of characters, enough of smoke, enough of...
02:16I ask for a prisoner, I want a prisoner, I touch a hook,
02:19whoever touches me is a pig.
02:20Enough.
02:21Bring Loban here.
02:24What we all want, ask and demand is to know what happened to Loban.
02:29The rest?
02:30I don't really care.
02:32Let's see.
02:33There is a request that was unanimous, both from the defense
02:37and from the court, the lawyers of the Loban family.
02:41But obviously there is a prosecutor, the prosecutor of Guzmán,
02:44who considers that no, because two judges asked for it.
02:47First, Judge Aposarpenso,
02:49in function, logically, of representative of the Federal Court of Goya.
02:53When the judge got sick last week,
02:56which is much better, she returned to function.
02:59Judge Subrogante Fresneda also said,
03:01it is essential to quote Codazzi,
03:04because General Rodríguez mentioned it in his statement
03:07regarding that transnight statement of Laudelina
03:11in a prosecution that still no one knows how to explain
03:13and it is not the praxis that opens in a prosecution
03:16at high hours of the night, a Friday,
03:18for a person who has to give answers to a...
03:21Vallejo said yes.
03:22Vallejo is the only one,
03:23the only one, we don't know with what book he studied,
03:25is the only one.
03:26That after the change of the code,
03:27after the change of the code there in current,
03:30now you work in the early morning.
03:32Well, Sandra López, the lawyer of the American,
03:34said in no way,
03:36and until now the only voice that says yes,
03:39is that of Vallejo.
03:40We can leave the position,
03:41because Marcelo Hanson is connected,
03:44to see if this is normal,
03:45because he also asked Codazzi to declare,
03:48but we don't know well,
03:49because the prosecutor did not quote him.
03:51Marcelo, how are you?
03:52Diego, Nahuel, Carlitos and Lucía for Alerta 24-7.
03:58Hello, how are you?
04:00I'm not seeing you, but good afternoon.
04:02Don't miss anything.
04:03Don't miss anything, Marcelo.
04:04Don't worry.
04:06What happens that Codazzi does not declare?
04:08Marcelo, a lot of expectations, right?
04:11But what happens is that there is a confusion there.
04:14The judge keeps the causes separate,
04:19and the cause of Codazzi,
04:21he has already said it again now,
04:23until the starting judge,
04:25has to be requested by the prosecutor of Guzmán,
04:29because he is the one who has the investigation of that file.
04:33Ah, well, Fresneda requests it, right?
04:37The judge?
04:38No, actually Fresneda,
04:42what he did was ask the prosecutor to quote him,
04:47but let's remember that the investigation is in charge of the prosecutor.
04:52The one who decides whether to quote him or not is the prosecutor.
04:55And has he already decided or is he still thinking about it?
04:59Yes, I would have to ask him,
05:01but I think that all the parties have requested at some point
05:07to quote him for this cause, the Logan one.
05:09The judge estimated that no,
05:11that he should be quoted in the other cause,
05:15which is the one that the prosecutor has,
05:17and I calculate that what will happen is that the judge will take out the cause
05:21and will instruct her.
05:23Obviously, at this time,
05:26what the judge avoids,
05:28I think, is that many curious people get involved in the main file,
05:33which are all these types of complaints that are being made,
05:36that satellite whistleblowers appear.
05:40The goal, I understand from experience,
05:43is to get involved in the main cause.
05:46They continue, right?
05:47As if they couldn't do it by other means,
05:49it is a way of getting involved in the cause.
05:51They are still the big guys.
05:52For what purpose?
05:53For what purpose?
05:54I think it was enough, right?
05:56With the Seudo Fundación Dupuy,
05:58with all the...
06:00Teso, the secretary...
06:02There are other...
06:03I think there are other actors
06:05who have been rejected
06:07and who, in some way, always try to come.
06:10Well, the case...
06:11It is a matter of going to the end
06:13and starting to see how they are acting
06:18and it is easy to conclude...
06:20There is a paradoxical case.
06:21I just want to mention this, Nahue.
06:23Yes, of course.
06:24The case of Vera, right?
06:25Vera.
06:26It is very paradoxical
06:27because he presents himself with his foundation,
06:30the Alameda Foundation,
06:31which we know has been fighting against trafficking for years.
06:34He presents himself,
06:35asks to be a believer in the cause,
06:39that is, to be part,
06:40to represent an interest of society.
06:42He is supposed to be legitimized
06:44for being the owner of a foundation,
06:47but nevertheless he is denounced
06:50for a lot of crimes
06:52by the Querella,
06:54by the family's lawyers.
06:56That is,
06:57either you are on the good or the bad side,
06:59but it is as if you were
07:00potentially on both sides of the cause.
07:03I think...
07:04I am...
07:05It is not the only complaint he has.
07:08There is another one,
07:09and that is where you have to pay attention.
07:12But in addition,
07:13the presentation of Vera is previous
07:16and he does not do it in the personal name of Vera,
07:19he does it for a foundation that has already participated
07:22in numerous causes like this.
07:24I think that is where the question comes from.
07:27Yes, I think...
07:28Let's see,
07:29I think, Hanson,
07:33that they no longer know how to do
07:35to divert the main attention,
07:38which is the search or the finding,
07:41or at least understand what happened
07:43that noon
07:47that they take Logan.
07:49In fact,
07:50I understand that the next one,
07:52because this is objectives,
07:54yes?
07:55It was objective Chiribín,
07:57objective now Vera,
08:00then each one will
08:02take responsibility or not,
08:04I don't know.
08:05And the next one would be
08:07Dr. Marcelo Hanson.
08:09Ah, well.
08:10It can be.
08:11No, no, it can not.
08:12I assure you.
08:14It's okay, Nahuel,
08:16but it's not that simple.
08:18Nothing is simple here.
08:21It's okay,
08:22but I...
08:23Be careful,
08:24I mean,
08:25I may not be in the cause,
08:27but I will be in the cause,
08:28I don't know if you understand.
08:29Yes,
08:30apart from that,
08:31I think it's very...
08:32I mean,
08:33we have too much struggle
08:36to understand that this game,
08:39we don't know how to play it.
08:41We can be wrong,
08:42of course,
08:43but I think we learned
08:44how to play this chess.
08:45Well, but how...
08:46So, but I...
08:47Let's see,
08:48what I learned in life
08:49is that
08:50each game
08:51has a meaning,
08:54yes?
08:55What would be the meaning of this game?
08:57What would be
08:58the one of
08:59complaints,
09:00put new actors,
09:02muddy,
09:03plant?
09:04What would be the end
09:05of this game,
09:06the end of this game?
09:09If you don't know
09:10what happened
09:11with the cause
09:12of Loan,
09:13precisely because
09:14I think that if
09:15it is discovered
09:16what happened,
09:17there is a lot of interest
09:18in this game.
09:19Ah, well,
09:20no,
09:21it's very explicit
09:22what you're saying,
09:23Marcelo,
09:24because it's like
09:25it's pending
09:26between two theories
09:27or they want to
09:28hinder,
09:29let's say,
09:30to cover
09:31other illicit businesses
09:33in which the State
09:35with its different
09:36organisms would be part,
09:37that is,
09:38to cover
09:39generalized corruption
09:40or directly
09:41is focused
09:42in which
09:43the State
09:44has to do
09:45with the disappearance
09:46of Loan,
09:47right?
09:48Or do you want to cover
09:49who is responsible
09:50for the disappearance
09:51of Loan?
09:52For you,
09:53I second it.
09:54No,
09:55for me,
09:56what happens here
09:57is that
09:58if you know
09:59what happened
10:00with Loan,
10:01obviously
10:02it will uncover
10:03many other pots
10:04that maybe
10:05nobody is convenient
10:06and they wanted
10:07to put
10:08this cause
10:09a quick solution
10:10saying
10:11that all who
10:12are arrested
10:13are the culprits
10:14and so on,
10:15but they can't
10:16even
10:17put together
10:18the puzzle
10:19of what each
10:20of them did.
10:21So it's very stupid
10:22for anyone
10:23who is dedicated
10:24to criminal law
10:25to understand
10:26that this way
10:27you can get
10:28to the solution
10:29of the case
10:30because they will not
10:31solve the case.
10:32So there is no
10:33theory of the case,
10:34there is no story,
10:35to put it in Creole,
10:36there is no story
10:37of what happened
10:38with Loan today
10:40No, not even that,
10:41I mean,
10:42at least
10:43if they had done it
10:44well or tried
10:45to do it well,
10:46great,
10:47there is something
10:48moderately
10:49coherent
10:50and reasoned
10:51to be able
10:52to close the case,
10:53but like this,
10:54in this rude way,
10:55they will not be able to.
10:56I say it does not matter
10:57who we are
10:58in the cause
10:59because we will still
11:00act,
11:01that is,
11:02we have committed
11:03to work
11:04in this cause,
11:05we will always do it,
11:06wherever we are.
11:07Now, Marcelo,
11:08how are you?
11:09How are you, Lucia?
11:10I greet you.
11:11It is a little
11:12hopeless to hear you,
11:13I know you are very realistic
11:14and it is necessary
11:15to hear
11:16what you are saying,
11:17but how do you
11:18then do
11:19or what legal tools
11:20do you have
11:21to disarm
11:22something that is so
11:23inquisitive
11:24and that has to do
11:25with political condescension,
11:26I imagine,
11:27also judicial condescension,
11:28we are talking
11:29about the judge,
11:30how do you do
11:31to disarm
11:32all that
11:33and this distraction
11:34operative
11:35that you are commenting on?
11:37Look,
11:38I think the judge
11:39is working
11:40very well,
11:41on the contrary,
11:42thanks to the fact
11:43that there is this judge,
11:44they have not made
11:45any more mess
11:46with the cause.
11:47I think the one
11:48who has put the brake
11:49on all this
11:50is the federal judge,
11:51Dr. Cristina Poser-Penso.
11:52Of course,
11:53we have to see
11:54if the judge
11:55can go against everyone.
11:56There it is, Lu,
11:57that's where it hit her.
11:58She has already shown it,
11:59she has already shown it
12:00in other cases
12:01that she does not
12:02let herself be influenced
12:03by any of these issues
12:05and it is so
12:06that when I said
12:07that she was prolific,
12:08precisely that prolificness
12:09is in preventing
12:10her from getting
12:11dirty on the field
12:12within the file
12:13and that later
12:14in the future
12:15in a trial
12:16she raises nullities
12:17for those issues.
12:18Well, let's see,
12:19you have to give it
12:20in a certain sense,
12:21you can give it
12:22to the right.
12:23She was very criticized
12:24when she said
12:25I can't...
12:26Yes, at the beginning.
12:27...that she was not going
12:28to be able to guarantee
12:29results.
12:30I can't guarantee
12:31results.
12:32Yes,
12:33I can't guarantee
12:34results.
12:35I can't guarantee
12:36results.
12:37Because the one
12:38who was in judicial
12:39cases,
12:40you know
12:41that if you give
12:4220 days of dirt
12:43to an investigation,
12:44the one who grabs it
12:45grabs a circus,
12:46no, no,
12:47he does not grab a cause.
12:48Yes, yes,
12:49they already catch her
12:50tied up.
12:51It is very difficult,
12:52guys,
12:53as long as
12:54they start to plant
12:55something on you,
12:56that the cell phones
12:57that are there
12:58open,
12:59that the cars
13:00that had to be taken care of
13:01are not taken care of,
13:02it is a very difficult
13:03situation.
13:04It is a very difficult
13:05situation.
13:06How does she do it?
13:07If you know that the
13:08lawyer on the other
13:09side is going to look
13:10in the defense
13:11of his assistants.
13:12That's why I say
13:13if she is doing
13:14the job well,
13:15I hope so,
13:16how does she go
13:17against a whole
13:18structure that is
13:19very heavy,
13:20right?
13:21And it is difficult,
13:22it is difficult.
13:23That's why
13:24she said that
13:25Dr. Ponce
13:26Prenzo has much
13:27more complicated
13:28cases,
13:29which she has
13:30resolved and
13:31that in any
13:32of the areas
13:33it is federal or
13:34provincial,
13:35because she does
13:36not allow herself
13:37to be carried
13:38by anyone.
13:39The judge is doing
13:40her work
13:41conscientiously
13:42and I think she
13:43will continue
13:44to do it
13:45because I don't
13:46see,
13:47I see in her
13:48decisions,
13:49she is very
13:50coherent and
13:51very firm.
13:52I wanted to ask
13:53you,
13:54Marcelo Carlos
13:55greets you.
13:56Hello Carlos.
13:57How many,
13:58just now Grandma
13:59started the program
14:00and you have
14:01already started
14:02the program.
14:03How many
14:04characters will
14:05appear in this
14:06case?
14:07Because you
14:08always talked
14:09that there could
14:10be new
14:11detainees,
14:12that there could
14:13be, there were
14:14no testimonies
14:15of police officers
14:16who were afraid
14:17to declare,
14:18afraid of what?
14:19How many
14:20characters
14:21will appear?
14:22They can
14:23continue to
14:24appear,
14:25Carlitos,
14:26because when
14:27I write the
14:28detentions,
14:29I have to
14:30make sure
14:31that with the
14:32rest of the
14:33connected
14:34issues,
14:35that I don't
14:36say that
14:37they don't
14:38have to
14:39open,
14:40but if they
14:41happen,
14:42they should
14:43be channeled
14:44separately,
14:45as long as
14:46that means
14:47a crime or
14:48not.
14:49But for me,
14:50the detentions
14:51are well
14:52related to
14:53those who
14:54had that
14:55day at
14:56lunch,
14:57because from
14:58lunch
14:59there were
15:0013,
15:0114 adults
15:02in the middle
15:03of the field
15:046,
15:057 kilometers
15:06from the
15:07first place
15:08populated.
15:09It is
15:10impossible
15:11that it
15:12cannot be
15:13clarified.
15:14Marcelo,
15:15and you know
15:16that people
15:17reminded me
15:18on Instagram
15:19too,
15:20I was
15:21aware
15:22the last
15:23time we
15:24spoke,
15:25the last
15:26time,
15:27of a
15:28police
15:29officer
15:30like
15:31General
15:32Rodríguez,
15:33who is
15:3430 years
15:35in the
15:36force,
15:37who
15:38obviously
15:39controls,
15:40has contacts
15:41and,
15:42without
15:43a doubt,
15:44goes down
15:45the line
15:46with
15:47all the
15:48lower
15:49branches.
15:50Marcelo,
15:51you were
15:52just talking
15:53with Noel
15:54about
15:55Chiribín.
15:56He
15:57said
15:58a month
15:59ago
16:00that
16:01they were
16:02pressuring
16:03him to
16:04get him
16:05away from
16:06the cause.
16:07Did
16:08something similar
16:09happen to
16:10you?
16:11Beyond
16:12what you
16:13think
16:14could
16:15happen?
16:16No,
16:17no,
16:18no.
16:19No?
16:20No similar
16:21situation?
16:22No,
16:23no.
16:24Or
16:25not?
16:26No,
16:27no.
16:28No similar
16:29situation?
16:30No,
16:31no.
16:32No similar
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16:34No,
16:35no.
16:36No similar
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16:38No,
16:39no.
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