👉 A 5 meses de la sustracción del menor Loan Danilo Peña, en un paraje de 9 de Julio en Corrientes, la querella solicitó que se investigara la hipótesis del accidente y posterior descarte del cuerpo.
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00:00This is not a joke. We are not two months away from the disappearance of Loan, but we are almost six months away.
00:09This is information that German gave in Andino y las Noticias very early, in A24, and we are going to delve into it.
00:17Because it has to do with this that we have talked so much about in this program, especially with Nahuel.
00:24And some measures that were taken, do you remember when they decided to do all the tracking?
00:29Again, the same that the provincial court had done, thousands of people in the Algarrobal looking for a trace of Loan.
00:39Well, the novelty is that they asked to drain, listen well, to drain a lagoon.
00:47Four lagoons are, one in particular, which is the closest to Naranjal, they are going to drain.
00:55Explain to me how? They do not have for the remit, the federal justice does not have for the remit, we already count it here.
01:03Nahuel must be stirring up to listen to this, right? At least he's not here today.
01:08Look at the word, you have to come up with words for what you want to ask.
01:12It was re-traced, right? It was traced for the second, third time.
01:17The court did it, asked, the SIFEBU body participated, if I remember correctly.
01:24Which is the body in charge of supervising all these tracings.
01:28Well, the court already did it, the lawyers of the Loan family already asked, they took the dogs.
01:35Even at some point they asked for this new tracking, they did not approach the dogs because of a logistical issue, but it does not matter.
01:43They ask again, what they want to do is exhaust the hypothesis of the alligator.
01:51Yes.
01:52Although, do you think that after six months, almost six months after the disappearance of Loan, we have to go back to the same thing?
02:00What I wonder is how justice gives it, you know that we count from here.
02:05They asked for the detention of Luvaldi, that of Esteve, mine, that of Nahuel.
02:09They asked for the detention of the judge, the detention of the lawyers, they asked for the detention of everyone.
02:13And justice said, stop fooling around with these requests that all they do is gain time.
02:19Go and see for what. They are diverting the investigation in the search for Loan.
02:24Now, the question I ask myself, why does justice give course to the request made by the law firm to empty a lagoon?
02:34Yes.
02:35Five months later, to empty a lagoon, a place that has already been tracked, and we always say it, by federal forces.
02:42You can think what you want, but federal forces, I was going to say a bad word, you can not deflect it easily.
02:52They are experts in the search for people and in the search for human remains.
02:57In this case, this work has already been done.
03:00Well, I heard Rafa Palacios say yesterday that this drainage of the lagoon would support the hypothesis, the theory of the accident.
03:11Sure.
03:12The theory of the accident.
03:13What I always did in Nahuel, if there was an accident, where is the body?
03:16Of course.
03:17It should be in the vicinity, at least.
03:19Is it the defense or the court that insists on this?
03:22Because one can understand that the lawyers, I do not know, ECODACI at the time, insist on the theory of the accident.
03:30Some or the other defendant that serves, I do not know, I say Benitez, Ramírez or Millapi, Hanson,
03:36who says, yes, you have to drag the lagoons, you have to drain.
03:40Logically, that takes a lot of time.
03:43And what else do the defenses want than to divert the investigation, to put sticks in the wheel, to waste time?
03:50But no.
03:51This measure is requested by the court, headed by Juan Pablo Gallego, by Dr. Roberto Méndez, to drain a lagoon.
03:59How is it done?
04:01To drain a lagoon, you have to divert a stream of water.
04:05I really say a work that must be seen if there is evidence to do so.
04:08Yes, it is a hydraulic work.
04:09Yes.
04:10They did not have, remember you, they did not have money to pay a remit to take to testify to the people who cited the justice.
04:17And now they are going to drain a lagoon.
04:20Can you imagine the show of this?
04:22Can you imagine the machines taking out the water?
04:25I do not know how it is done.
04:27They are going to write to us.
04:29Emptying.
04:30There are four lagoons, as our graph says.
04:32There are four lagoons that they want to drag.
04:35And at least one of them, dry it.
04:38To take out all the water, you ask me, it is exactly on the other side.
04:45It is exactly on the other side.
04:46Yes, we would have to find out how it is done.
04:48But it seems very clear to me that there are resources for certain things.
04:52There is money for certain investigations, or tracking, or investigations.
04:57And on the other side, there are investigations that do not appear, that were done, that were not done.
05:02I say there are four that have not been tracked yet.
05:04No.
05:05Well, why have not they been tracked yet?
05:07I do not know, without knowing what is in the lagoon.
05:09Just now comes that request.
05:10Why was it not done before?
05:12I say, there are several questions.
05:13I am going to give a data, I am going to give a data of expertise that I have had to cover in other situations.
05:18God willing that Loan is fine and that it appears at some point safe and sound and that all this is a nightmare.
05:24But there are scientific data that say, if there is an accident, if there is a body in the water,
05:3148 hours after being submerged, sorry, but I say it as it is,
05:3648 hours after a body has been submerged in the water, it floats.
05:42We are not talking about the Paraná, which has kilometers and kilometers and has an impossible current,
05:48and which is more dangerous than the sea.
05:50We are talking about a lagoon that, walking, you can track if you want.
05:56And from the edge you realize if there is something or not.
05:59These images that we are seeing are one of the lagoons that were tracked.
06:03And I assure you that you would tell a prefecture tactical diver,
06:07let's investigate here, the diver will tell you, don't waste my time.
06:12It's fishing in a fish tank, right?
06:15I mean, with respect to the initial search that was done,
06:19it was done by the best specialists in Argentina, right?
06:24Yes, completely.
06:25Federal police divers.
06:27Do you remember the images?
06:29That one said, well, like this, like this, looking meter by meter, walking, there it is.
06:34Yes.
06:35That's the image, look.
06:36We didn't know either.
06:37Look at the image.
06:38We didn't know either, Diego, do you remember with the four in leather,
06:41walking in the water, which seemed to be more ...
06:43Yes, the first days.
06:44Yes, it doesn't matter.
06:45You know what happens, Lu?
06:46That a tracking can also be done that way.
06:49But I insist, there is no possibility that, due to an accident,
06:57Lohan's body is in a lagoon.
07:02They're going to tell me, they're going to tell me, yes, watch out.
07:05They made us talk about this again.
07:06Sure, if they put weight on it, yes.
07:08Sorry, but these are details.
07:10They took us back to the accident theory.
07:12Yes.
07:13I want to remember yesterday, because you saw that you have to,
07:15all the time you have to bring elements,
07:17because if not, one would believe that this is a novelty, a surprise,
07:21if the request is a novelty.
07:23Now, look at the image.
07:24Yes.
07:25Again and again, I can't stop being surprised.
07:26Yes.
07:27It was done on foot, four security officers,
07:31walking hand in hand,
07:33stepping centimeter by centimeter,
07:36each of these, of these low-depth lagoons.
07:40You see, they are walking through the center of the lagoon
07:43and the water, luckily, reaches their waist.
07:47I would be interested, sorry, to know what hypothesis
07:49they are using to make these clippings, right?
07:52Because…
07:53Well, that's what I was going to say.
07:54That's a bit what I said at the beginning.
07:55That's what I was going to say, because…
07:56Are they reinforcing the accident or not?
07:58You have to concatenate elements.
08:00I mean, if it ended up in a lagoon near the farm,
08:02it's because one understands that something happened
08:06and that something caused the discarding of Lohan's body.
08:12You have to say it like that, brutally, because…
08:14Yes.
08:15It's the hypothesis, logically, that is discarded.
08:18If that happened, there must have been some other trace.
08:22Do you remember?
08:23A lot of specialized dogs,
08:25including those who sniffed Lohan in Pérez's truck.
08:30And that proof?
08:32Well…
08:34If the truck, both the truck and the red Forca,
08:38had traces of Lohan,
08:40how do we put them in the movie
08:43that Lohan appeared in a lagoon near the farm?
08:48I mean, there were no traces of a vehicle entering that field.
08:54There were a few traces,
08:57but there are elements that seem strong.
09:00The boot, for example.
09:01Yes, completely.
09:02The boot that appears, but does not appear in the movie.
09:06I wanted to say yesterday,
09:07Tito González, Carlos Pérez's lawyer.
09:10Yes.
09:11To whom…
09:13Better than him.
09:14Thank you, Vani.
09:15Achievement of all.
09:16It's a great note.
09:17Yes, great note.
09:18With Tito González, we had never spoken to him.
09:21We asked questions to Tito González.
09:24Yes, he answered everything.
09:25And he had an answer for everything.
09:27In some, we logically disagree,
09:29but a question was the key.
09:31The theory of the accident.
09:33Yes.
09:34Do you remember when Codazzi took Laudelina
09:37between roosters and midnight
09:39to the Attorney General's Office?
09:41Tito González said it yesterday.
09:42Lawyer with a license in Corrientes
09:44saying to the prosecutor's office,
09:46forget it,
09:47do not open on a Friday night.
09:49No.
09:50You have to come back on Monday,
09:52unless it is a triple homicide
09:55that has happened at that time.
09:57If not, forget it,
09:58go on Monday at 8 in the morning.
10:00No, more when there is a federal justice
10:02investigating a provincial prosecutor,
10:04do not get involved.
10:06Do not get involved in the middle of that mess.
10:08Well, the theory of the accident
10:10was one of the questions
10:12that we were forced to ask Tito González.
10:16Because, of course,
10:17if it had been an accident,
10:19it was an unbeatable scenario
10:21for his two defendants,
10:23for María Victoria Caixaba and Carlos Pérez,
10:25because it would be a guilty homicide,
10:30a homicide without the intention of causing it,
10:33the product of an accident,
10:35a negligence,
10:37a low penalty that you can discuss,
10:39even later achieve some benefit
10:42and in a couple of years go home
10:44and not be accused of a federal crime
10:47with an investigation that has to be deepened,
10:50that has already been extended,
10:51that will surely make you spend even more months,
10:55maybe half a year,
10:56a year until the trial arrives,
10:58imprisoned,
11:00and, I say, due to the social pressure there is,
11:03they will hardly escape a sentence.
11:07Two of the most forceful evidence
11:09are those that weigh on Carlos Pérez
11:11and on Caixaba,
11:12the smell test,
11:16odorological.
11:17Yes, yes, yes, the smell in their car.
11:19The smell detected by the dogs.
11:22A legal negotiation.
11:24Yesterday Nahuel said,
11:27it's easier to invent an accident
11:30and make it look like an accident
11:32and get them out of a life sentence.
11:37Where is the body?
11:39What happened to the body?
11:40Was it an accident?
11:41People wrote to me yesterday and said,
11:42no, but because he was drunk,
11:44he didn't want to be caught.
11:46No, if he's drunk,
11:48it's still a penalty, even executable.
11:51It also depends on the current legislation.
11:54Where is Lohan's body if it was an accident?
11:56Well, the thing is,
11:57there will be a perpetual prison,
11:58there is evidence for that.
12:00Completely, that's very good.
12:01The hypothesis of the accident is reinforced
12:03if, on the other hand,
12:04there is a counter-arrest
12:08that is more serious than that of the accident.
12:11Because at the moment there may be executions
12:13because there is not enough evidence
12:14for the detainees to be detained.
12:16Look, to give...
12:17I'll give you this data.
12:18Go ahead.
12:19I know, Hanson said it,
12:20Tito González said it yesterday,
12:23Richard Vallejos,
12:25Masiel's lawyer, said it.
12:27Everyone agrees,
12:29even Dr. Gallego,
12:31also a family lawyer,
12:33everyone agrees that
12:36some of the people
12:38who know so much more
12:41than those who are detained,
12:43are free.
12:45Yes.
12:46There would be people free
12:48who would know what happened to Lohan
12:51or could give information
12:53to give with Lohan,
12:54to give with some certainty.
12:56Two names appear,
12:58Camila and Macarena.
13:01Macarena is the daughter of Laudelina.
13:03Camila, Lohan's political cousin,
13:07they are very close,
13:08they were both in the orange house.
13:10And there are the experts.
13:11Yes.
13:13Do they know
13:16what the lagoons have to do with it?
13:18Do the lagoons have anything to do with it?
13:21Could they say they have to do
13:23with the lagoons
13:25with the disappearance of Lohan?
13:26Could Lohan be in one of these four lagoons
13:29that were not tracked?
13:30Alert and we try to report.