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00:00Tell me, writing appears to be on the wall that amendments are coming and we are hearing
00:07about the SCO immediately, maybe before 2018, there is no notification of CJ, but we are
00:14hearing from very credible quarters that maybe Amiruddin Khan Sahib is now the hot favourite,
00:20they are seriously thinking about him. If he is there, then what will be your viewpoint
00:27and if these amendments are passed, then what option do you have? What do you do?
00:35Look, we are fundamentally against these amendments, we feel that there is no need for a federal
00:44constitutional court. The only purpose of making this court is that the judges of their
00:51favour should be appointed in this court so that they can take the decisions that we
00:58have seen in the last few months. A mutual opinion bench has been formed. Now, if you
01:04have to give strength to the members of that mutual opinion bench through this court and
01:09if you have to take some action from them, then the whole nation should protest against
01:14it. This will be a very dark moment.
01:17The second thing is that we understand, as was the opinion of Maulana Fazlur Rahman,
01:22that this assembly does not have the right to make such a big amendment to the constitution.
01:27The third thing is that even if there was a right, then the way all this is being done,
01:32that until today you do not know what the constitution is, the people of Pakistan do
01:37not know what the constitution is, the intelligence of Pakistan is sitting silent, unaware,
01:42they are not even asking for a constitution.
01:45But the Pakistan Bar Council has given its full recommendations.
01:50So obviously there is a split in the lawyer community.
01:53Look, the Bar Council is also politically divided. It is not the case that if there is a majority
02:00in it, then it becomes the Bar Council. This is a matter on which the nation is divided.
02:06The Pakistan Bar Council is not a united forum. There are two prominent groups in it and we
02:12know who is standing in which direction.
02:15Therefore, it is not that the Pakistan Bar Council has supported the amendment.
02:20Okay, in a formal way, since they have a majority of unity, they can say that we are dominant.
02:26But this is not at all acceptable in the lawyer community.
02:30In the majority, I will say that such an amendment should be made.
02:33This is not acceptable in the retired judges and this is not acceptable in the present
02:37service judges of the judiciary.
02:40This is not acceptable to the thinking and understanding people of Pakistan.
02:43Such an amendment has not been made in history.
02:45It is a shameful incident that you hide it, put it in a bag and bring a constitution.
02:51I agree with you that the way it is happening, no conscious person can favor it.
03:00But having said that, what is the solution now?
03:03The lawyers will now run the movement because the structure of your party has been totally disrupted.
03:08And when I talk to your leaders off the record, they say that the lawyers are very organized.
03:14There are offices and structures up to the level of the Taseel.
03:17We can run from there.
03:19So, will there be a movement in this?
03:21And can the movement run in these circumstances?
03:26Look, I can't say anything definitive on this.
03:29When anger reaches a level in a society that it explodes, it is difficult to say.
03:36Later people say, yes, this had happened.
03:39We should have understood this before.
03:41You are constantly humiliating this society.
03:44You are constantly humiliating the people living in this country.
03:48First you stole their vote.
03:50Now you want to impose a black amendment on them.
03:54So people do not learn lessons from history.
03:57When I sit close to the government, they say that Ayub Khan's era was great.
04:04Ayub Khan's era was so great that at the end of it, the country was destroyed.
04:09Our economy was destroyed.
04:11Sartaj Aziz has written in his book, Memoirs, that we were very happy in the planning commission
04:16that the country was jumping.
04:18And one day we found out that the country had exploded and was destroyed.
04:22So these things are going on.
04:24There are people who do not understand these things.
04:28They see that the MFC loan has been received.
04:30Look, inflation has dropped by 2%.
04:33Everything is fine.
04:34Nothing is going well at all.
04:36The anger of the society is below the level.
04:40Salman will tell you that.
04:42Today the Speaker has written a letter and sent a reminder again to the Election Commission
04:47that the Reserve Seats should be given to the parties.
04:53Yesterday, the Election Commission of Pakistan also called for a meeting.
04:57If they do it tomorrow, then the numbers game will be greatly facilitated.
05:02Then even Maulana will not have the same weight.
05:05This is the way it is.
05:06Look, the whole scheme was from day one.
05:09That we should not be given a ballot.
05:11Our candidates should be declared free.
05:15After that, this whole fight arose that we can get the Reserve Seats or not.
05:21The basis of this is the decision that will be made.
05:24This whole scheme was also made.
05:26And all this has happened under a scheme.
05:28Eight judges have defended.
05:31A great decision has been written.
05:33The truth has been accepted that what was done with PTI.
05:36How an illicit situation was created.
05:38By rejecting that illicit situation, they said that accept PTI as a fact.
05:43And give them their seats.
05:45Now to reject all this, a court is being made.
05:48The decision that has been made by the eight judges,
05:51the review against it, will now go to this court.
05:54The Prime Minister will first appoint the Chief Justice.
05:58And then the Chief Justice will appoint the other judges.
06:02So the whole scheme is that you have to reject that decision through this court.
06:08And that is why this court is being made.
06:10The main aim is to get this done.
06:15Then tell me one thing.
06:17This is the practice of history.
06:19The scenario that you are creating is a very dark scenario.
06:22Ameen Gandapur had said that he had turned the whole of Sham-e-Gareeba into politics.
06:28But Rauf Hassan was sitting in a show and he said,
06:31Things are improving.
06:33Things are improving between us and the establishment.
06:36Then what improvement are you talking about?
06:40I fail to fathom.
07:06As a party secretary general, as a seasoned lawyer and now party secretary general,
07:20do you see an inevitable reality?
07:25Do you think that this court and these amendments will be done by the government?
07:33No, I don't think this is inevitable.
07:36There is still a lot of work to be done.
07:39Even now I think that the role of Maulana Sahib and some other people are in contact with us.
07:44This number game will not be done so easily.
07:47If the Election Commission picks them up and gives them our reserved seats, then that's a different matter.
07:51If the Constitutional Court makes an amendment to it,
07:55puts its stamp on it, then that's a different matter.
07:58Otherwise, it will not be possible for them to complete the number easily.
08:02And the defense will come from the Parliament.
08:05I have just 10 seconds left.
08:08Do you have any doubt that the Election Commission will not give the reserved seats?
08:13I have no doubt.
08:18And this matter will remain in play until the next 10-12 days until this constitutional court is formed.
08:26If this constitutional court is formed, then you will cover this country with a black sheet.
08:32And until that sheet is not torn, the rays of the sun will not come out,
08:37you, me and all of us will remain in darkness.