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00:00Mr. Salman, taking advantage of your presence, let me ask you a few legal and legal questions first.
00:04Both of you are my lawyers. The third one is also a lawyer.
00:07This is what the Election Commission has said.
00:09Do you think that the grounds of the Election Commission are correct in this?
00:13If there is no party structure, then how can we confirm the affiliation of these 48 members?
00:19Look, if I use the words of the Election Commission in the right way,
00:26then there is definitely an ill-intention.
00:28At this time, when we are sitting here,
00:30Mr. Gauhar Khan is the chairman of PTI,
00:33Mr. Umar Ayub is the secretary-general.
00:35His letters are written daily.
00:37The Election Commission addresses him as the chairman of PTI.
00:41It addresses the other officials.
00:44If their intention is to set aside the last intraparty election tomorrow,
00:50and declare it invalid tomorrow,
00:52then they should have kept a little veil.
00:54They should not have expressed their intention today.
00:57Today, when this confirmation has been filed,
01:00this confirmation has been filed with the signature of the chairman and secretary-general of PTI.
01:05Therefore, the confirmation has been made by PTI,
01:08and the obedience to the Supreme Court's order has been done.
01:11Now, if tomorrow they say that they do not believe that Gauhar Khan and Umar Ayub,
01:16the chairman and secretary-general, were elected correctly,
01:18then there is a very consistent principle in our law,
01:21which we call de facto doctrine.
01:23The color of office doctrine.
01:25Today, they have the authority to do the work that they had to do.
01:30Therefore, they have done the work on behalf of the party.
01:34They are presented daily by the party.
01:37They enter the documents.
01:38The Election Commission accepts them.
01:40The case that is being filed regarding the intraparty election,
01:43which is still going on,
01:45they are given a notice daily as chairman of PTI.
01:48And what is written in that notice?
01:50Chairman PTI Barista Gauhar.
01:52Yes.
01:53Is this written by them?
01:54Yes, it is written.
01:55Now, they say that there is no organizational structure.
01:57That is why I said that this is a funny thing,
02:00and it goes against morality.
02:03Well, their bias is clear.
02:05This bias of the Election Commission of Pakistan has been visible for a long time.
02:09Do you see any legal hitch in this?
02:11Or do you think that this is a de facto doctrine?
02:13The Supreme Court will also say that the letters that you have been writing,
02:16and to whom you keep saying that Mr. Chairman,
02:18you should be present in such and such thing,
02:20or you should also be present in such and such thing.
02:22They have given confirmation.
02:24The Secretary General has also given confirmation with them.
02:26So it is done.
02:27Tomorrow they say that we do not believe you, Chairman,
02:30we do not believe you, Secretary General.
02:32So it will be seen.
02:33In my opinion, it will not make any difference.
02:35But when this matter comes before the Supreme Court,
02:38if it comes,
02:39they have filed a review,
02:40then this matter will be settled in my opinion at that time.
02:43Therefore, such childish things should not be done,
02:46from which the stature of a big institution is reduced.
02:49You are saying it is even smaller.
02:51Yes, it is even smaller.
02:53You have clarified it.
02:55Thank you very much.
02:57I say this again and again,
02:59agreeing with you.
03:01See, institutions are not the adversaries of any political party.
03:05And you should not even see that you are working against someone.
03:11Here it is seen that there is an adversarial relationship.
03:13No, here we have fought against the entire election commission.
03:16In every step we took,
03:18there was no political party in front of us.
03:21It was the election commission.
03:23Exactly.
03:24And the way many decisions were made,
03:26I mean, the thing on which there is only malice,
03:28like the election of the party,
03:30that decision was kept safe,
03:32a few days before the election,
03:34that decision was kept safe,
03:36that the party should not be re-elected,
03:38that it should not be eligible for the symbol.
03:40It is seen that they wanted this to happen.
03:42That they wanted to walk on this path,
03:44to take the symbol of the baton.
03:46Do you see any elections happening this year?
03:48What is Mr. Khan's expectation that there will be an election this year?
03:51What is going on?
03:52But there are two things.
03:53If you say, I will first tell you its background.
03:55Sure.
03:56Mr. Umar Ayyub has said this.
03:58What did Mr. Umar say?
03:59Go and listen.
04:00We also want to convey this message to the nation
04:02on behalf of Prime Minister Imran Khan,
04:04to prepare for a new general election.
04:06If there will be a new general election,
04:08then the country will progress.
04:10This PDM government,
04:11Shabar Sharif government,
04:12Mariam Nawaz government,
04:13they have lost everything.
04:15They have drowned.
04:17Do you see any election atmosphere?
04:19But there are two things.
04:20First, whenever a party is in opposition,
04:23to keep its workers in a good spirit,
04:26to give them hope,
04:28it always thinks that,
04:29and says that elections will be held very soon.
04:32So that the workers remain charged,
04:33and do not lose hope.
04:35We have been in opposition,
04:37we have seen that our leaders are coming to elections.
04:40Do not lose hope.
04:42Let me tell you one more thing,
04:43which is different this time.
04:44Every minister of a government of 4-6 months,
04:47in every press conference,
04:48says that the government will complete 5 years.
04:50These statements do not come so soon,
04:52not even from the government.
04:53Now, moving away from that,
04:55my own thought is that,
04:57moral legitimacy is a big thing.
05:01Public sanction is a big thing.
05:03The government that is suffering
05:05from this crisis so badly,
05:07like this government is suffering,
05:09that if you go to the embassies in Islamabad,
05:12they also smile.
05:14The friends of Muslim League Noon,
05:16come and sit with us on TV channels,
05:18or meet us somewhere else.
05:19They also smile when they go out.
05:21They do not smile, sir.
05:22Let me tell you,
05:23there were some other anchors in front of me, my friends.
05:25They themselves agree.
05:26They say, which vote have we got?
05:28So now people have agreed.
05:29I am not talking about one,
05:30I am talking about multiple people,
05:32who have said in front of me.
05:33So where there is this situation,
05:35and the children of the country know,
05:37that those who have been entrusted with the government,
05:39or those who have been imposed on the country,
05:42they do not have the moral legitimacy
05:44to sit on that chair there.
05:47If they do not win the elections,
05:49then that government cannot run for a long time.
05:51And the crisis in which we have gone,
05:53on one hand there is a security crisis,
05:55on the other hand there is a crisis of the economy,
05:57and all the matters…
05:59Political crisis is very big.
06:02Some people think that the final round has started,
06:06and we have gone into the final round.
06:08And something has got to give.
06:10Matters will not be able to go on like this.
06:12So what is the way out of that?
06:15Today all these people agree,
06:17institutions are written in the newspapers,
06:19TV channels are talked about,
06:21everyone is saying that the matters have become very serious.
06:24But then you will be told that the economy is very bad,
06:27the money for the elections…
06:28So where do we have to go from here?
06:30What is the way out of this deadlock?
06:33What is the way out of this deadlock?
06:35Put restrictions on them,
06:37put Article 6 on them,
06:39throw them out of politics,
06:41keep them in jail.
06:43This is a non-serious matter.
06:45But this is the only way they have.
06:47Tell me one thing, this is a fight for survival.
06:49But there are problems on that path too.
06:51I think that a series of failures are happening.
06:53Whatever happened on 8th,
06:55was not expected at all.
06:57Then the control over the judiciary
06:59was lost.
07:01Then the operation was announced,
07:03all the communities,
07:05especially Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
07:07expressed their reservations.
07:09The matter of reserve seats was lost.
07:11Now this matter of restrictions,
07:13the voices are being raised from within
07:15the communities that are sitting in the government.