The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 6
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00:00Yeah, I'm just going to knock on the door.
00:04Macy's invited all of the girls to go support her for this pickleball tournament that she's
00:08hosting in Scottsdale, Arizona.
00:11Jen and I were going to ride to the airport together and this morning she's completely
00:15MIA.
00:16Technically, I'm not back in mom talk, but I'm so grateful that Macy invited me on this
00:23trip because it's going to give me the chance to rekindle and hopefully mend some relationships
00:28that really need mending.
00:29Jen, how are you?
00:30Can I come in?
00:31Yeah.
00:32Okay.
00:33Oh, gosh.
00:34I'm sorry.
00:35No, you're fine.
00:36You don't need to apologize for that.
00:37Oh, gosh.
00:38It's been a while.
00:39It looks like fun.
00:40Looks like there was a party here.
00:41This is mostly Zach.
00:42This is Zach trying to convince me.
00:43What?
00:44To go?
00:45No.
00:46Oh, okay.
00:47I'm so confused.
00:48When we were talking yesterday, you seemed like everything was okay.
00:49I think it's just like prenatal depression and a combination of just so many things I
01:15can't even figure out.
01:16I think I first started feeling depressed
01:21when I realized what needed to change in my life
01:24and in my marriage,
01:25but it wasn't until after I found out I was pregnant
01:29that I truly hit rock bottom.
01:32Just some things happened yesterday.
01:36So yeah.
01:37What happened?
01:38I don't even know what happened yesterday.
01:40Oh, Jen.
01:43Oh my God.
01:47I don't even want to talk about this right now.
01:52You don't have to.
01:54I'm just gonna try to forget this now.
01:58It's just not okay.
02:01Zach and I were driving in the car
02:07and I don't know what got into me,
02:11but I just had a thought that
02:17that I don't want to be here anymore.
02:26I think I just need to take care of myself
02:28and my body so I can be able to take care of this baby
02:33and take care of my kids.
02:36And you're exactly right.
02:39I never thought I would get to this point.
02:42And I don't want anyone to think of me any different.
02:52I feel bad that you're going on the trip
02:55and I feel bad I can't be there.
02:58Don't feel bad.
03:00Don't feel bad.
03:00You take care of yourself first.
03:02That's the priority, always, no matter what.
03:06So when somebody asks me like,
03:07okay, why is Jen not here?
03:09Yeah.
03:10What do you want me to say?
03:15Yeah, I would just tell them that I'm pregnant and sick.
03:18Okay.
03:19Because that's not lying.
03:21That is part of what's going on.
03:23Yeah.
03:24So I'm worried that you're gonna miss your flight.
03:27You're fine.
03:28I don't know how comfortable I feel
03:29leaving without Zach being here.
03:32Let me clean up some of this food.
03:34I'm sad Jen's not gonna be able to come to Scottsdale
03:37with all of us because it's gonna feel like
03:39a part of mom talk is missing.
03:40But I think she's making the right decision
03:43to focus and prioritize her mental health.
03:46I don't really know what I can do,
03:48but what I'm gonna try and do is just cheer her up.
03:52Oh my gosh, stop.
03:56Stop.
04:02You're kidding me.
04:04Oh my God.
04:06Jen, no.
04:36♪ We don't need no invitation, invitation, invitation ♪
04:57♪ We don't need no invitation, nope ♪
04:59♪ We gon' pull up on the mini waves with the clouds ♪
05:03Ooh, I could get used to traveling like this.
05:06I could instantly take it off.
05:10What in the world?
05:13Oh, stripper pole.
05:14Oh my God, that's so cool.
05:17Oh my God, that's so cool.
05:19Wait, mine, I've never been on a stripper pole.
05:22Oh my God, mom talk, I didn't even see that.
05:25Oh my God, that's so cool.
05:28Mom talks, girls trips.
05:30I mean, it could go one or two ways.
05:31Sometimes it's connecting, sometimes it's disconnecting,
05:34but I'm really hoping me going on this trip
05:37will be a huge turning point with me
05:39and the relationship as a whole in mom talk.
05:42Everyone has to take one go
05:43because it's actually really fun.
05:44Yeah, we need to go.
05:45Yeah!
05:46Woo!
05:47I'm just gonna like do the little leg swing.
05:49What?
05:50Yeah!
05:50Yeah!
05:52Is your coochie healed?
05:53No.
05:54Oh, this is not a good idea.
05:55No!
05:56No, you literally could like bleed out, dude.
05:59You can't bleed out.
06:00Yes.
06:01No, I don't have stitches.
06:02No, but you're healing on the inside too.
06:03Yeah.
06:05Hey, where's Jen?
06:06What's happening?
06:07What's going on with that?
06:08You guys are her besties, so.
06:09Yeah, no, she's really sick.
06:11Jen not wanting to come to Scottsdale,
06:13I genuinely believe she's scared to face
06:16me and Jesse specifically.
06:18I think she's just being a coward.
06:21Check your phone if it wasn't obvious enough.
06:24No, my favorite was when you were like
06:26in the airport for like five seconds.
06:28You were like, hi babe, I miss you.
06:29And I was like, didn't he just drop you off?
06:32No, he didn't.
06:33I had to go a whole car ride without him.
06:34Oh, okay.
06:35See, but here's the thing.
06:36We're together a lot throughout the day,
06:37but we also have our different routines.
06:39Like he'll go to the gym for a couple hours,
06:41he goes and works and stuff.
06:43But like, we're always in contact.
06:44Like we never run out of things to talk about.
06:47I did hear that Brett did sleep with someone
06:50in Macy's sinner Sunday confession box,
06:53but it's never been confirmed.
06:54I think to me, maybe she is projecting
06:57like this perfect relationship.
06:58So I've seen it a lot here, especially in Utah.
07:00They want everyone to think that they have
07:02like this perfect family and whatever.
07:04It's overcompensation for something.
07:05And I don't know what.
07:06But think about it when you had like best friends growing up
07:08like you guys were like attached at the hip.
07:11That's kind of how Brett and I are.
07:15Okay, ready?
07:15Yes.
07:26I got asked to host the USA Pickleball Celebrity Tournament
07:29in Arizona, and I'm so excited.
07:31I have a lot planned for this trip.
07:32I hope there are enough distractions
07:34to where the girls can just avoid the usual drama
07:37and love one another.
07:40Let's do this girls.
07:41Look, it's fancy.
07:43My ass is asleep.
07:45Viva.
07:46Scott's down, Scott's down.
07:49We arrived to the villa and it is absolutely gorgeous.
07:58It has a pool and a hot tub
07:59and a big open living room.
08:01So if we're gonna fight this weekend,
08:02at least leave a mansion to do it in.
08:04Hi.
08:05How are you?
08:05Hi.
08:06Thanks for hugging me.
08:07My other friends just went straight to you.
08:10This is nice.
08:11Taylor.
08:12What?
08:13Do you wanna be in this room with me?
08:15Look, this can be your bed, Tay.
08:17You can have your own bed.
08:19I don't mind sleeping on the bunk bed.
08:20No, you're postpartum.
08:21No, I don't.
08:22I really don't mind it.
08:23I don't either.
08:23No, I'm gonna sleep on the bunk bed.
08:24I honestly will sleep wherever you guys.
08:26Where'd the girls go?
08:27Grape is my favorite one.
08:28Where'd the saints go?
08:29There's the pickleball queen.
08:32There she is.
08:33I'm wondering where you whores were.
08:35You whores.
08:36This is the party room.
08:38It seems like it.
08:39It is gonna be.
08:41Not at all.
08:42Yes, question of the day.
08:43Where's Jen?
08:44Well, she's not here.
08:44Well, yeah.
08:45She's back at home.
08:46Where is she?
08:47Where is she and why?
08:48She is pregnant.
08:53I'm shocked to hear that Jen's pregnant.
08:55I don't think it's the ideal time to have a baby
08:57because her and Zach have been struggling.
08:59It is making sense that she's been a little off,
09:02but it doesn't excuse the behavior
09:04and treating your friends badly.
09:06No, I was shocked too.
09:07I don't think it was planned.
09:08It never is planned, but she hasn't like,
09:10they don't protect at all.
09:11So I feel like if you're not protecting, you're planning.
09:13What is Zach thinking with like all the chaos
09:16that's been happening?
09:17A band-aid baby.
09:18Yay.
09:19What?
09:19The babies don't band-aid anything.
09:22I am so shocked.
09:24All of us have been pregnant.
09:25All of us have experienced modes of depression
09:27and I'm just feeling like there's no relatability
09:29going on right now.
09:30Just like harping on her for not coming on this trip.
09:34And right now there needs to be more understanding.
09:37Should we go?
09:38Yeah, let's get ready.
09:39Here we go.
09:40Okay.
09:41Half of my suitcase is shoes, by the way.
09:43I feel like I smell like a freaking onion.
09:45I don't think you do.
09:46I think I do.
09:50Yeah.
09:51Ooh.
09:51Ooh, I love her bag.
09:52Sweet.
09:54I love Poppy.
09:55I am obsessed with this.
09:56I'm going with this bad boy.
09:57Gosh.
09:57Ooh, wait.
09:58I love it.
09:59Wait, this is so cute.
10:00Yeah, cute.
10:01They have a little menu right here.
10:02Serve and sip.
10:03The classic dirty pop.
10:04So which one's that one?
10:05This one?
10:06This one.
10:06This one.
10:07Wait, yum.
10:08Is it good?
10:09Yeah.
10:10It smells so good.
10:13Okay, so cute.
10:14Ooh, they actually have name tags.
10:17Wow.
10:21Having this theme.
10:22It looks so good.
10:23Very cute, Tay.
10:24All right, who's saying the prayer?
10:25Okay, prayer, guys.
10:27Whitney.
10:28Okay, ready?
10:29Dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for this day
10:32and to be able to be together as a mom talk family.
10:39Please bless this food and bless
10:41that we can clear the air tonight
10:44and just hopefully get even closer than we are now.
10:47And we say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
10:48Amen.
10:49You know that ain't gonna happen.
10:51Hopeful.
10:51Yeah, yeah.
10:53Whitney's prayer is hilarious.
10:55Another moment of Whitney's delusion.
10:57She's not a part of mom talk,
10:59but if she wants to ask for some help from the man himself,
11:03she can go right ahead.
11:05Start here and I will be right back with more, enjoy.
11:08Well, you and I were like,
11:09go with the truth.
11:10I love piranhas.
11:11And I ate like all of it.
11:13With all of the lies and scrutiny going on
11:15within mom talk lately,
11:16I think I have just the device to get us back on track.
11:18The truth box is back.
11:19I think it's the perfect way
11:21to get everything out in the open.
11:22We all agreed that it was a shit show last time,
11:24but they shouldn't be surprised that I'm doing this
11:27because I love instigating drama.
11:29All right, you guys, I have a surprise.
11:31Another truth box.
11:32Dear God.
11:34Jesse brings out the infamous golden box, the truth box,
11:39as if we didn't learn our lesson the first time.
11:42I feel like I'm the only one that has a brain anymore.
11:45Truly.
11:45I mean, I honestly thought Jen was gonna be here
11:47and I have some things to ask her that I want truths about.
11:49I actually think that with this group,
11:51like being together, this could be interesting.
11:53So think of some ideas for three and then we'll do it after.
11:58Jesse decided it would be a brilliant idea
12:00to bring another truth box onto this girl's trip.
12:03Hopefully because the one person
12:05that I feel like a lot of people
12:05wanted to ask questions to, Jen, isn't here.
12:09Maybe it'll go better, but I doubt it.
12:12Okay, we should go get our jammies on though.
12:14Yeah, I'm just too tired.
12:15Because I want to like get comfortable
12:17before we have fun.
12:19Oh my God.
12:23Tal, the tables have turned.
12:24Yeah.
12:25So here we are for the truth box.
12:26Cute.
12:27Here comes the sinner.
12:28Here comes the sinner.
12:31All right, you guys, are you ready?
12:32God, no.
12:34I'm really trying to be present
12:35during this girl's trip right now,
12:36but I just can't get Jen off of my mind.
12:39I've just been texting her here and there,
12:41just checking in to make sure she's okay.
12:44All right.
12:45Here we go.
12:47Your first one, how do you feel?
12:49Horrible.
12:50Get me out of here.
12:51Don't lie, you're excited.
12:53So excited.
12:54Jessie, is Jordan's dick really tiny, like Jen said?
12:59Okay, I'm going to prove this once and for all.
13:01So,
13:04this isn't inappropriate, don't worry.
13:06All of the girls had heard Jen's depiction
13:08of Jordan's small dick.
13:10So I gave Jordan a little handy
13:12and we got the ruler out, took a photo.
13:15No, I don't want to know.
13:17Jessie.
13:18I have to, I have to.
13:19It's blurred out, it's blurred out.
13:21You don't want us to see anything.
13:22Jessie, get your shit away.
13:23No, no.
13:24Eight inches.
13:26Right there.
13:27Jessie, that's not fucking blurred out.
13:29You can see the damn tip.
13:30Amen, amen.
13:33Whitney.
13:34Lovely.
13:35Do you actually care about the friendships in this room
13:36or do you care more about how the public perceives you?
13:39Oh, I totally get in the past
13:41how it would come across like I don't care
13:43and I'm trying to work on that
13:45to make it seem like I do,
13:47because I really do.
13:48To make it seem like you do or you do?
13:50No, no, because I just said, because I really do.
13:52I'm acting really hard to care about these friendships.
13:55To make it apparent that you care.
13:56Yes, thank you, yes.
13:58Demi, did you know that Macy received an anonymous,
14:02Anonymous.
14:03Anonymous confession that said,
14:05in quotes, I slept with Demi's husband last year
14:08while she was away.
14:09Holy shit.
14:13Okay.
14:18Demi, did you know that Macy received an anonymous,
14:21Anonymous.
14:22Anonymous confession that said,
14:24I slept with Demi's husband last year while she was away.
14:27Holy shit.
14:30We've been together literally,
14:31or we've been apart I think five days of our marriage.
14:33Holy shit.
14:34And we are together constantly.
14:36If it did happen, it would be like,
14:38okay, sorry you chose that.
14:40I think you always find out.
14:41The truth always comes around.
14:42It does.
14:43It does, unfortunately.
14:44I don't know who wrote on the card,
14:46that there was a rumor that Brett cheated.
14:47My guess is that they're trying to stir the pot.
14:49And my better guess is that it's someone
14:52who's unhappy in their own relationship.
14:54I'm not biting and there's no need to even discuss this.
14:57It's silly and it's not true.
15:00Oh, Jessie, were you really kissing Marciano
15:03at TomTom publicly?
15:04Yes.
15:05Just kidding.
15:06Who is Marciano?
15:07He's the one that was in the villa.
15:08He's from the villa in Italy.
15:09The guy that liked Demi in Italy.
15:10So we all had a friendship.
15:12Like that's the thing,
15:12it's like we actually had a friendship.
15:13I was like,
15:15I'm asked about a rumor that I kissed Marciano in TomTom,
15:19which is a bar in LA publicly.
15:21My first reaction was,
15:22if I'm gonna cheat,
15:23I'm not gonna do it publicly
15:24since that can easily be found out.
15:25So we all went out that night
15:26and we got stopped by so many people at TomTom and Sir,
15:29and people kept coming up to us and things like that.
15:31And then literally like a couple of days later,
15:33there were like rumors online
15:34that we were making out at TomTom.
15:36And I was like,
15:36what?
15:37Damn.
15:38Maybe they just thought I was Demi
15:39because there were drama with him and her anyway.
15:41And so I was like,
15:42because there were drama with him and her anyway,
15:44and people get us mixed up.
15:46But no, it did not happen.
15:47Also, if I was like dumb enough to do that,
15:49I wouldn't do it in public.
15:50The first time I heard about that whole situation,
15:53I didn't believe it for a second,
15:55but I was just kind of messing with Jesse
15:56and reached out and was like,
15:58oh, when were you guys gonna tell me about this rendezvous?
16:00And just kind of joking around,
16:02knowing that nothing happened.
16:03Yeah, no.
16:04I didn't even see it online.
16:05Oh, well, that's good.
16:06This is how the rumor mill works.
16:08It's just silly to me.
16:09Next question.
16:10Okay.
16:11I got one about me and this is so funny.
16:12I love garage.
16:14Jesse, are you worried Demi was willing
16:17to take a bigger contract,
16:18even if it meant you potentially being dropped from the show?
16:20We can't run away from this.
16:21I know.
16:22Hey, here we are.
16:24Demi and I did have a falling out a couple of months ago.
16:27It really rocked our friendship.
16:28We had a little disagreement about money.
16:31Demi basically was willing for Jesse to be off the show
16:34if she can kind of get paid more.
16:35Jesse comes out and says, actually, I'm not gonna walk.
16:38So you can walk to me, but I'm not.
16:41For me, I just said, in my head,
16:42I just don't want money to come between all of us.
16:44And I know that I was like on another way of thinking.
16:47Demi gets on a whole nother phone call with Mom Talk.
16:49Demi's like, yeah, fuck Jesse at this point.
16:51Like, let's push her to the side.
16:53She was talking mad shit.
16:54But I also know I'm in a situation
16:56that's different than everyone.
16:57I think if I was a millionaire, I wouldn't care either.
16:58Yeah, same.
17:01Jesse, you know, sits on an empire of this hair business
17:05and does really well financially.
17:07So it felt a little selfish to me.
17:09Emotions were high and I understood
17:11that like she felt that way.
17:12And I also don't think, and I could be wrong,
17:14but it was like her saying, specifically kick Jesse off
17:18and just give me a higher paycheck.
17:19You know, like it was like.
17:21I'm kidding.
17:21She did say that.
17:23Demi was willing to let Jesse go off the show
17:27for more money.
17:28It gave me a bad taste in my mouth,
17:30given that's her best friend.
17:32I do think Jesse is very forgiving to Demi.
17:35And I can't quite understand why.
17:39Whitney, do you still not regret
17:42not going to Macy's baby mama launch?
17:46I feel like if I didn't make the mistake,
17:49I wouldn't have known how to make things right.
17:51Did you regret it or do you not?
17:52That's what it said.
17:54But.
17:55Is it a yes or no?
17:56I'm saying no.
17:57Because I'm saying if I didn't make the mistake,
17:59I wouldn't have known how to make it right.
18:01I just feel like I would say I regret it,
18:04but wish I handled it differently.
18:05I get that.
18:07Hearing that Whitney still doesn't regret
18:09coming to my baby mama event actually has me shocked.
18:12Cause I feel like I've done a lot
18:13to try to get her back into mom talk,
18:15to bring her on the group.
18:16I mean, I didn't even have to invite her
18:17on this Arizona trip, but I did
18:18because I'm trying to be a good friend.
18:20And so it feels like she doesn't care
18:22about what she did to hurt me.
18:24Okay.
18:25Oh,
18:27Mikaela.
18:28Do you ever see you and Whitney working things out?
18:31I do not.
18:33I'm sick of it.
18:33Bye.
18:35Forgiveness may be godly,
18:36but I feel like so is sticking up for yourself,
18:39especially when someone has had a million chances.
18:41I feel like I've reached the tipping point
18:43of putting up with people's shit.
18:45I'm trying to protect mom talk and my own peace.
18:48I said, I'm fine to be cordial, but I don't,
18:49I mean, that's us working it out.
18:52Fair.
18:53All right.
18:54Guys, we made it through.
18:55Yeah.
18:55We done?
18:56Oh, we did it.
18:58Wow.
19:05Okay, you guys, I saw a girl on TikTok
19:06who said she was in the ER about to get a surgery
19:08because she said she got jackhammered too hard
19:10and it twisted her ovary or something.
19:14Wow.
19:15Jackhammered?
19:16I looked it up.
19:18But it's also a position.
19:19What's the position?
19:20I thought it, wasn't it the leg up one?
19:23How uncomfortable.
19:25Let me get you on the back end.
19:27I want to have a conversation with Macy
19:29because I thought we were good,
19:30but with how Macy reacted during truth box,
19:34maybe I don't know where we stand.
19:37Ooh.
19:39It ain't crispy enough yet.
19:40Yummy, yummy.
19:41Flipping it and we're putting her back in.
19:46How are you?
19:47Fine, how are you?
19:49I wanted to talk to you about last night,
19:52the question that was asked.
19:54I was shocked by your reaction to it.
19:57I was like, oh, so she still
19:59is holding a scrudge against me.
20:00It's not a grudge.
20:01It's more just like my guard is still up.
20:03Like, do you see where I'm coming from
20:05when I say I wasn't in the mental place?
20:08You can still regret something.
20:09How can I regret that if I was in that space?
20:12So you can be like, oh, I regret that I wasn't there.
20:14For me, a regret is like, no, I intentionally did this,
20:17so I'm going to go and hurt this person.
20:20No, I don't think that's what regret is.
20:22Really, are we getting into semantics here?
20:24Don't act like you don't know what the word regret means.
20:26It's literally in the dictionary.
20:28Like, how is she still not getting it?
20:30I don't understand.
20:31Nobody wanted me there.
20:32Nobody wanted me.
20:34You, not the rest of the women.
20:35I know, but the night was about me.
20:37You didn't have to be with them.
20:38I understand that,
20:39but what do you think would have happened if I went?
20:41You could have shut up, said hi to me,
20:42and left, not even talk to any of them,
20:44not said one word.
20:45Like, that's what it meant to me.
20:46You're right, and you know what?
20:47You're right.
20:48When he's like raising his voice,
20:49I'm like, I feel like it's a true character
20:50that's coming out.
20:52When I was literally in the darkest space of my life,
20:54my son's father just died.
20:57I was a maid of honor in two weddings.
20:59And so,
21:02it's just hard because
21:05I feel like I always show up for my friends,
21:07even when I'm in the darkest, like, trenches in my life.
21:09And then, it almost seems like you want to be right
21:11more than, like, validating how I feel.
21:14I'm sorry that comes across that way.
21:16I'm not trying to be stubborn.
21:17Every time we have this conversation,
21:19I get more confused every single time.
21:21Like, I don't know what else to do at this point.
21:23Do you feel like the way that you've felt about me
21:27or not being able to move past this
21:28is because of the way that Mikaela talks about me?
21:31Why, I've always been someone in the middle,
21:33and I'm like, I don't,
21:34no one's gonna tell me who to be friends with.
21:36I feel like you're, like,
21:37projecting all the stuff that's happened,
21:39and it's not just between me and you right now.
21:41Okay.
21:42So, that's why I'm confused.
21:43I'm like, are you saying this to me,
21:44or are you saying this in general?
21:45Because I just,
21:46I think it all stems from the past.
21:47It all is coming from the past.
21:48And that's fine.
21:49Like, whatever.
21:51But I'm just saying,
21:52I miss what we had.
21:54Yeah.
21:55And I don't know how to get that back.
21:56Yeah.
21:57Because I'm someone that clearly doesn't want me there,
21:59in that space.
22:01I can't change the past,
22:02and honestly, I don't wanna talk about this any further.
22:05So, I'm just ready to move forward.
22:06Hopefully, the girls can see that
22:08if I'm able to forgive Whitney and move on,
22:10despite what she did,
22:12then they should hopefully be able to as well.
22:14I'm open to friendships and being friends.
22:17I'm not against that.
22:18I know.
22:19So, I just want you to know that.
22:21I love you.
22:23I love you too.
22:24I really just, I'm sweaty, so.
22:27It's the natural deodorant.
22:28It just drips right off me.
22:30It's a little too crispy now.
22:32He wants some beef jerky.
22:35All we're having is meat.
22:36Yeah.
22:37Oh, there's grapes.
22:38Yeah, there's fruit.
22:39And grapes.
22:40Like this one.
22:43Are you guys good?
22:44Yeah.
22:45No, I heard you guys chit-chatting a little bit.
22:48Yeah.
22:49I'm curious how it ended.
22:50Fine.
22:51That's good.
22:53I can talk behind my back in there.
22:54I'm not talking about you.
22:55I literally sat there and listened to it.
22:57We can hear you.
22:59I just feel like you're intentionally hurting me.
23:01Like doing stuff to intentionally hurt me.
23:02I'm not, I'm calling you out on your shit.
23:03You're still justifying your own behavior.
23:06I'm not justifying it.
23:07I said I didn't fuck up.
23:08You still can't sit here and take accountability
23:10and not say, well, this is my truth of it.
23:12And it was just the place I was in.
23:13So sorry, it sucks.
23:15I have taken accountability for every fucking thing.
23:20Have you?
23:21Tell me one thing that I haven't taken accountability for.
23:23I think everyone can go down the table
23:25and tell you one thing.
23:26Kate, let's fucking do it.
23:29I want to understand where you're coming from.
23:31And I'm saying, let's get the accountability
23:34from every single person.
23:35Cause I do want to know.
23:36I fucking do want to own up to it.
23:38Great.
23:39Demi, what have I not done?
23:40Please, I want to know.
23:42So I genuinely can own up to it, please.
23:44Because I know how I fucked up.
23:47Does everyone feel comfortable doing that?
23:48Cause I really want to know.
23:49I don't think anyone cares
23:50to have an actual friendship with you.
24:00I think everyone can go down the table
24:02and tell you one thing.
24:02Kate, let's fucking do it.
24:04Go ahead, Macy.
24:05I'm laying in bed trying to sleep
24:07because I am a single mom of three
24:09and sleep is very rare for me.
24:11I can hear raised voices in the kitchen
24:13and I honestly want nothing to do with it.
24:17Whatever that is, it can wait.
24:19And I really just want to go back to bed.
24:23Going into a conversation
24:24and hashing out all of the behavior
24:27and the patterns and the things to me
24:28is like contradictory to where I'm at
24:32with like our friendship.
24:33So I don't see the point.
24:35Okay.
24:36But then we're all still saying,
24:37you need to take accountability.
24:38And it's like, well, I'm trying to,
24:40but you don't want to have a conversation.
24:42Cause you owe people that conversation though.
24:44We didn't unfollow you.
24:45It's like, you're doing these things.
24:47You're leaving the group chat.
24:47You're following everyone.
24:49You're expecting everyone to come to you and be like,
24:50we'll have a conversation with me.
24:50If you have a problem.
24:51That's not true.
24:52I'm trying to make an effort to have a conversation.
24:55You're like, well, no, you could have reached out to me.
24:57You could have called me,
24:58but I don't want people to call me.
24:58But why did no one call me?
24:59What the actual fuck?
25:00No, I'm saying, please.
25:02Can I please?
25:02It's on camera.
25:03I watched it.
25:04Okay, great.
25:05That's what you did.
25:06I'm saying now, I would love to have a conversation
25:07with each person, which I tried to do
25:08at the beginning of the season.
25:10And the only person.
25:11When the cameras are here.
25:12The only person.
25:12Yeah, no fucking shit.
25:13This is a reality show, Mikayla.
25:15What the fuck?
25:15Don't talk down to me.
25:16Cause if you're going to be disrespectful,
25:17you can leave.
25:18Okay, well then, vice fucking versa.
25:19Don't talk down to me.
25:21I'm not talking down to you.
25:21I'm holding you accountable for your shit.
25:23Cause you can't see it yourself.
25:24Right, okay.
25:25I think what Mikayla is saying is that
25:27we all recognize the behavior.
25:29Yeah.
25:30We recognize the patterns.
25:31There's been multiple times where she'll be like,
25:33well, she's told me that she feels really bad about that.
25:35And we're like, well, that's great.
25:36She told you that she feels bad about what she did to Jesse.
25:38But like, she needs to tell Jesse.
25:40Yeah.
25:41But then when you sit down and have a conversation,
25:42it's like, I don't understand what I feel bad for.
25:44Sorry, that was just an example.
25:45I'm going to go grab the curling iron.
25:46I'm going to start your hair while we wait.
25:47Okay, thank you.
25:48Yeah.
25:49Cause I have to leave at one.
25:50Yeah.
25:51So I have to get ready.
25:52It is just baffling.
25:54The amount of offenses that this woman has under her belt.
25:58But I'm choosing to kind of like recognize the effort
26:01and move forward.
26:02But I understand why Mikayla is not there yet.
26:05I think it's going to come down to self-reflection
26:07and healing for you, honestly.
26:08Because no matter how many times we sit here and tell you,
26:11she just wants to hear that you care.
26:13She just wants to hear that you regret that.
26:15It's not sinking in.
26:17And that's concerning.
26:20I initially was very excited
26:22and happy to be invited on this girl's trip.
26:24But I'm not going to lie.
26:26These girls are getting so deep and it's becoming apparent
26:29that there's a lot of history here, a lot of resentment.
26:32And I can't help but wonder
26:34if this is what women supporting women looks like.
26:37Cause it certainly doesn't feel like it.
26:38I see both sides.
26:40I do.
26:41If I said to you to hang out, you'd go hang out with me?
26:43Of course, Whitney.
26:44Really?
26:46I can see and feel certain relationships
26:49in mom talk moving forward, especially with Demi.
26:52I appreciate everyone being so willing
26:53to have these conversations.
26:55Obviously not Mikayla.
26:56I don't think she'll ever want to accept my apology.
26:58And I mean, like, isn't that what we preach in mom talk?
27:02Forgiveness?
27:04Well, I just wanted to let you guys know
27:06that I did schedule us a club tonight and it's super cute.
27:09It's called like cake.
27:10And it says like, let them eat cake.
27:11And it's like, it's a super cute like nightclub.
27:13So Macy can come for that.
27:14We'll go to dinner and then we'll go to that.
27:15Cute.
27:16Okay. Love it.
27:17I think my thing will go a little bit longer.
27:19So I'll meet you at the restaurant.
27:20Wait, so we're not even hanging out
27:20with you at the pickleball thing?
27:22I think you can.
27:23I know you guys have like a VIP section
27:25that they reserved for you guys.
27:26So you're a working girl.
27:28But mommy has to work.
27:34You want to put on some deodorant?
27:35So you're not stinky.
27:37Stinky.
27:38Hey, you know where this one goes?
27:41Where does it go?
27:42It goes right there.
27:43Under your armpit.
27:45Jen hasn't been doing well.
27:47She's been having a hard time getting out of bed.
27:50And we just realized we needed to get Jen the help
27:54she needs to honestly get better
27:56and get to a more stable place.
27:58Okay, should we do your hair now?
28:00Okay.
28:05It's been really hard just her being pregnant
28:08with our next child and having two children
28:11trying to show up for them.
28:12And I think when you face a really serious
28:15mental health crisis,
28:17you kind of take a step back and realize
28:19what really matters.
28:22Come hop on my shoulders and we'll go up and see mama.
28:25Hold on tight.
28:33There she is.
28:35I just want to say good morning to mama.
28:40How are you feeling?
28:41I'm feeling awful.
28:44Zach is trying to support me in what I need,
28:48but it's been a lot.
28:49It's been for sure
28:54one of the hardest seasons of my life,
28:56physically and mentally.
28:59Whether it's prenatal depression or postpartum,
29:02I think a lot of mothers feel like
29:06they don't deserve help,
29:07but in reality, like we need help too.
29:11As of right now,
29:12I need to take a step back from mom talk
29:17and solely focus on my mental health and this baby
29:21so I can be the best version of myself
29:25for everyone around me.
29:28I'm sorry sweetie.
29:32I'm sorry.
30:02Look at your hands in the sun.
30:06Macy is hosting this celebrity pickleball event
30:08and it's so cool to see this full circle moment for her.
30:12She was a BYU tennis athlete
30:14and now she's hosting this event that's on TV
30:16and she's just in her element.
30:18Is it instinct or backstreet boy?
30:20Which one?
30:21Instinct.
30:22Okay.
30:27Being a star athlete and now turning that
30:29into hosting an event like this
30:31is so exciting and inspiring.
30:40It just feels good when you see your friends support you.
30:42That's the part of mom talk that I love
30:44is that we can always be there to support each other
30:46regardless of who hates who in the group.
30:55Hi, I have a reservation under Macy Neely.
30:59This is cute.
31:10Ladies, welcome to Call Up.
31:11We are so happy to have y'all here.
31:13What is it?
31:14Perfect, so this is a mocktail shot of the Mango Amore.
31:17Okay guys, how are we feeling about today?
31:20Well, I was actually gonna ask,
31:21how do you think last night went?
31:23Like the true thoughts.
31:24It was awkward at times though.
31:27Wait, I had a question about last night though.
31:29With Demi asking you to be out of the show
31:33because of the money.
31:35Sorry, like I just still don't,
31:37like what really happened?
31:38This morning, I thought I was definitely in the hot seat.
31:41So now I think the best way to like get the heat off
31:44my relationship with Michaela
31:46is to focus on Demi and Jessie's drama.
31:49Give me the details.
31:50Tell me all the nitty gritty.
31:51I wanna know.
31:52It was a call with our lawyer and managers
31:54and literally like I got on and I heard Brett
31:57and I was like, wait, wait, wait.
31:57I don't want you speaking for me.
31:59We had had like a mutual understanding
32:00that we were gonna come in like fighting
32:02for everything as a united front.
32:04And then we felt like she dogged us
32:06and like went around us and was like,
32:07I'm gonna get whatever I want.
32:08So we were like, okay, well, fuck it.
32:10Then we're gonna do the same thing.
32:11You deserve to fight for more,
32:13but that doesn't mean you deserve to get paid more.
32:15I've also been told that you think you deserve
32:17the biggest brand deal.
32:18And I'm curious to why you think you deserve that.
32:21I never said that one time.
32:22I heard that too.
32:23I heard that too.
32:24I actually heard that too.
32:27It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
32:30Like, I feel like I'm an asset.
32:31I should fight for more.
32:32To me, he wasn't even originally
32:34gonna be casted for the show.
32:36Do you really think that you're the star?
32:40You're the star?
32:41Nah, I don't agree with that.
32:44In what world are you putting yourself on this battle?
32:47So what makes you that person?
32:49Yes, mom talk is a business,
32:51but it is a lot more than that.
32:53It's a sisterhood.
32:54It's a support system.
32:55However, I think Demi has let the money side
32:57and greed go to her head,
32:59where that comes first
33:01and then everyone can fend for themselves.
33:02And that to me is not a genuine friendship at all.
33:06And no offense,
33:07but you wouldn't have never had this opportunity
33:11without me.
33:12No, I understand.
33:13And so when I'm hearing these things,
33:14she deserves the most.
33:15I'm like, I'm the one that was almost in a mental hospital
33:18because I opened up.
33:19I am the most vulnerable.
33:20I know she don't.
33:21But at the same time, like.
33:22Can you let me finish talking?
33:24But I want to really finish talking.
33:26So you're coming at her,
33:27so I'm gonna like defend her in that situation.
33:29You can defend her when I'm done talking.
33:33Okay, so I don't think it's fair.
33:35When I'm on the floor freaking dying,
33:37opening up to the world.
33:39And then I think some people aren't as open
33:41and aren't as vulnerable
33:43and sharing their actual shit that's going on
33:44behind closed doors deserve to be paid more
33:46because they're not being vulnerable.
33:47They're only being served a space at a dinner table
33:49creating drama.
33:51I'm the one that's actually struggling
33:52because I'm open to the fucking world.
33:54If anyone has a right to be paid the most,
33:55it's me.
33:56I've never even asked for that, ever.
33:58Go ahead.
34:07Yeah, there's nothing you can say.
34:08So yeah.
34:11And I wouldn't be willing to kick someone off either.
34:13Where I went wrong was being willing to knock her off.
34:17But that came from a place of us being in a bad place.
34:22But I think you were willing to knock her off
34:23and probably anyone else at that point.
34:25That's not true.
34:27So if I felt the exact same,
34:28you would have been willing to kick her off, but not me?
34:31No, absolutely not.
34:33Demi calling me expendable and basically replaceable
34:36really hurt my feelings.
34:37And hearing that Demi also values Taylor over me on the show
34:40hurts my feelings as well.
34:41Because yes, Taylor got us here,
34:44but we all have something to offer in mom talk.
34:46And it's hard not to feel resentful.
34:48I don't know.
34:49I mean, at the end of the day,
34:50it's just, I think we're all a team
34:51and we've all brought so much to the table.
34:54I'm all for sharing the spotlight.
34:56I don't care to have it.
34:59I love Demi and I've always seen her as a great friend.
35:02However, there is this side to her that worries me.
35:06Just seeing that Demi did that to Jessie,
35:08who's supposed to be her closest friend,
35:10definitely makes me feel like I can't fully trust her.
35:13We'll talk about it more later when we're not screaming.
35:15Okay, as the leader of mom talk,
35:17I'd like to raise a toast to new beginnings,
35:20open communication, and fertility.
35:22And fertility.
35:23Cheers.
35:24And fertility.
35:25Fertility for all.
35:26Fertility.
35:27And no more babies for you.
35:28Only for you on that one.
35:30That's deep.
35:33That is.
35:34That was so yummy.
35:35This was a stiff mocktail.
35:38What about your stuff?
35:39Like, are you guys still planning on doing the treatments
35:41or like figuring it out?
35:43We've kind of just started back at like square one
35:46because we don't have answers.
35:47Brett and I have been trying to get pregnant
35:49for about four years now.
35:51I definitely pushed for Brett to go in
35:52and get his sperm checked.
35:54The first time we went to the men's clinic,
35:55his sperm was basically dead.
35:57In May, you were 52 million.
35:58And then October, you're 25 million.
36:00I do suspect it's going to keep going down.
36:02I also struggle with endometriosis
36:04and we didn't want to jump to surgery.
36:07And so there's been a lot of holistic things we've done.
36:09We've both done a lot of energy healing.
36:11Go ahead and charge that heart up through our genitals.
36:14Fill up your lungs and let out an audible exhale.
36:21It is so like taxing
36:25and like emotionally draining.
36:28Like it's, because you can't figure out
36:32like what's going on.
36:33Um.
36:43It's more like how bad Maude wants his sibling
36:49and how bad I want that with someone
36:53that I'm like in love with.
36:55And the first go around was hell.
36:58So there's a lot of me that feels like I needed to heal
37:02and move forward.
37:05I do feel like Demi's tears are genuine.
37:07I feel like her journey with having a baby
37:09has put a lot of strain on her and her relationships,
37:12but it is still concerning to see the side of her
37:15that she's willing to kick Jesse out of MomTalk
37:17for more money for herself.
37:19Anyway, yeah, so sorry about that.
37:22Stop saying sorry.
37:24Did I wreck my face?
37:25You just have two streaks, it's fine.
37:27Woo, let's go.
37:29Let's shake our bodies and get warm.
37:31Tonight's the last night in Scottsdale, Arizona.
37:34So it's time to hit the clubs.
37:36Shake all that stuff.
37:38Jesse is drained and Taylor's tired.
37:41So Jesse and Taylor are gonna go back to the house
37:44while the rest of us hit the dance floor.
37:52I just wanna put all of this drama behind me,
37:55go to this club and have the time of my life.
37:58I love doing stuff like this with the girls.
38:00It reminds me and hopefully them
38:02why we became friends in the first place.
38:04I'm ready to shake my little tail feather.
38:13Mormons aren't just sitting around
38:15reading their Book of Mormons at night.
38:16We don't drink, but we love to dance.
38:20Let loose, no drama.
38:21The music will be too loud to even talk,
38:23so that's perfect.
38:24There won't be any fighting.
38:25That was fun.
38:26After a party, we're having a twerk off.
38:29I feel like we're gonna twerk it.
38:30I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it.
38:32I apologize.
38:33I will easily be winning a twerking contest.
38:36Okay, let's see your twerks.
38:42I'm not seeing it.
38:44It's about to get wild.
38:46It's about to get wild.
38:48It's about to go down.
38:51Are you ready for it?
38:52Are you ready for it?
38:53About to get wild, about to get wild.
38:55About to get wild, about to get wild.
38:57About to get wild, about to get wild.
39:02Now let's all remember who's in first place.
39:06It's you, Mikayla.
39:10I think ego and jealousy gets in the way
39:12of so many good things, especially friendships.
39:14And with women all online making content together,
39:17it's like what happened last year.
39:18Like, who's the new leader?
39:20It has to be Whitney or Taylor.
39:21Do you feel like there's an element of that
39:24in our group still?
39:25Who do you think it would be?
39:27Competitive, all of us.
39:30Yeah, what about Demi?
39:31Are you like,
39:32cause you were talking about that
39:33at dinner tonight a little bit,
39:33how like you're good at reading energy.
39:37Yeah, I could say yes.
39:39I would say there's probably some inside a little bit.
39:41Like competitiveness or jealousy?
39:46Both.
39:47Okay.
39:48Come here and touch my body.
39:49Nothing to lose, I'm on.
39:51I'm getting really lonely.
39:53Just kidding.
40:04We do look alike when we're side by side.
40:06Do you guys want to guess
40:07who won the twerking contest in the bus?
40:11So does anyone want a hot tub?
40:14Naked.
40:16Demi, you better be naked in there.
40:20For what?
40:21For skinny dipping?
40:22Oh, Brett's fucking too.
40:30Cameras are still on and we're just filming right now.
40:32I was just taking off my makeup and about to rinse.
40:34But I'll call you right back.
40:35Rinse?
40:36I'm not in a hot tub?
40:38No.
40:39Okay, good.
40:40Well, Demi was going skinny dipping.
40:42That was the point.
40:43She had already decided she was doing it.
40:45And then I guess she had sent a text to Brett saying,
40:48hey, just letting you know,
40:51gonna go skinny dipping, whatever.
40:52But then she got a phone call.
40:54And so then she decides not to skinny dip.
40:57Demi kind of gives people crap
41:00for being controlled by their spouses and partners.
41:03And hers does that.
41:07I'm actually surprised you don't want to skinny dip.
41:11Since when do you want to keep your clothes on?
41:14I'm kidding.
41:16How uncomfortable and like inappropriate
41:20for me to be stripping down naked on national television,
41:23knowing that like my stepkids
41:25are gonna be seeing this at home.
41:29I mean, you always are.
41:30So that's why I'm like,
41:31I don't know why I don't want to go skinny dipping.
41:33If I don't come back in five minutes and see you
41:35and you nakey in a towel, I'm gonna be mad.
41:38I just don't want to do it.
41:39I have BV.
41:40What's BV?
41:41It's bacterial vaginosis.
41:44You would smell it.
41:45What?
41:46She has it bad.
41:48Smell it?
41:48You can smell it.
41:49I don't have BV.
41:50I was lying.
41:51I didn't want to go skinny dipping.
41:52Now leave me alone.
41:53What?
41:54Let's go.
41:55Oh yeah, I've skinny dipped plenty in my day.
41:59Not my first rodeo.
42:00Let's go.
42:01Let's do it.
42:02We're ready.
42:03Okay.
42:04Ah!
42:06I haven't seen you naked in like long time.
42:09She looks good.
42:09Okay, ready?
42:11Oh, the pool is warm.
42:12It's cool.
42:14Ready?
42:15One, two, three.
42:17Okay, ready?
42:24Go down the slide.
42:26Go down the slide.
42:28I do feel like with all the drama going on in this trip,
42:30it's time for a little warming girls gone wild.
42:34When I first started Mom Talk,
42:35it was supposed to be about friendship and fun.
42:38I do feel like this trip has brought a lot to the surface
42:42where I have to question what are Demi's intentions.
42:45We all need to be aware of her motives
42:48and why she's really here.
42:50They all have boob jobs.
42:51Oh my God, the boobs look good.
42:57The great Mormon bake-off.
43:00I made a pumpkin pie.
43:01This is Joseph Smith.
43:02Homemade sourdough.
43:04The penises did not bother me.
43:09How are you and Taylor doing?
43:10I have to like just take care of myself now.
43:13Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist
43:16to try to keep Jen and other people from talking.
43:19Jen needs Mom Talk more than ever,
43:21but I just don't really know
43:22who to trust with this information.
43:25The Sinner Sunday confessional
43:27about Brett cheating on me is so far-fetched
43:29and I know the truth always comes to light
43:31and if something were to happen,
43:32I would eventually find out and deal with it then.
43:35I don't understand why something that's not true
43:37would bother you.